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Naveen Rao: 4D Computing, AI's Energy Wall & Beating Biology

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2 October 2026
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Summary

Naveen Rao, co-founder and CEO of Unconventional AI, argues that AI is heading into an energy wall within about three years and that solving it requires rethinking the computer itself. Drawing on biology's efficiency — the brain runs on 20 watts — his company builds 'dynamical computers' that unify compute and memory, using oscillator-based systems and sparsity instead of von Neumann architecture. He announces the first physical dynamical computer, taped out in June, which generates images at roughly 500 nanojoules each, and lays out a goal of 1,000x power efficiency in three and a half years, ultimately aiming to beat biology.

Key points

  • Naveen Rao founded the first AI chip company, Nirvana Systems, sold it to Intel, and later co-founded a GPU infrastructure company that joined Databricks in 2023 and now accounts for a quarter of Databricks' revenue.
  • Google crosses 3.2 quadrillion tokens per month, which at 10 joules per token amounts to about 12 gigawatts, and Rao estimates we run out of energy for AI in about 3 years.
  • About 50% of the cost of serving a token is energy, so data center thinking has shifted from floor space to securing energy contracts first.
  • The human brain runs on about 20 watts, a monkey's brain on 1 watt, and a squirrel's brain on 8 milliwatts, showing biology is a far more efficient substrate for intelligence.
  • Most energy in computing goes to moving information around: a GPU moves nearly 30 trillion bits per second in and out of memory, versus about 16 billion bits per second for the human cortex.
  • Unconventional AI built the first physical dynamical computer, taped out June 1st, which generates images at roughly 500 nanojoules per image versus millijoules for a GPU.
  • The company calls its approach 4D computing, using the time dimension plus physical 3D die stacking, with compute and memory unified rather than von Neumann separated.
  • Rao's goal is 1,000x power efficiency within three and a half years, ultimately to beat biology, and he expects a Jevons paradox effect creating the largest market humanity has ever seen.

Questions it answers

00:00Background and career

Who is Naveen Rao and what has he built before?

Rao learned programming as a child, became an electrical engineer, then got a PhD in neuroscience to pursue building intelligent machines. He founded the first AI chip company, Nirvana Systems, in 2014, sold it to Intel, and later built a GPU infrastructure company that joined Databricks in 2023.

  • Founded Nirvana Systems in 2014, the first AI chip company
  • Ran the AI group at Intel after selling the company
  • His GPU infrastructure company is now a quarter of Databricks' revenue

04:40The energy problem

Why is energy the bottleneck for AI?

Google alone crosses 3.2 quadrillion tokens per month, which at 10 joules per token is about 12 gigawatts, against under 100 gigawatts of global data center capacity. Rao estimates AI runs out of energy in about 3 years, and about 50% of the cost of serving a token is energy.

  • 12 gigawatts for one company's AI services
  • Energy contracts now come before GPUs in data center planning
  • Rao estimates roughly 3 years until we run out of energy

07:10Biology as proof

How does biology prove more efficient intelligence is possible?

The human brain runs on about 20 watts, a monkey's brain on 1 watt, and a squirrel's brain on 8 milliwatts with highly accurate behavior. Most computing energy goes to moving information — a GPU moves nearly 30 trillion bits per second versus about 16 billion for the human cortex.

  • Squirrel brains run on 8 milliwatts
  • GPUs move vastly more bits than the cortex
  • Computers were built for speed, not efficiency, since ENIAC in 1945

10:20Dynamical systems approach

How does Unconventional AI rethink computing?

By cutting out lossy abstraction layers and connecting semiconductor physics directly to neural networks, using dynamical systems theory. The open-source Uno model generates images from coupled oscillators, and sparsity removes n² connections while improving trainability.

  • Metronomes on a plank demonstrate emergent synchronization
  • Uno is an image generation model built on oscillators
  • Sparsity gives more efficiency, scalability and performance

15:00First dynamical computer

What has the company actually built and demonstrated?

The first physical dynamical computer was taped out June 1st and generates images at roughly 500 nanojoules per image, versus millijoules on a GPU. It unifies compute and memory, using the time dimension plus 3D die stacking — what Rao calls 4D computing.

  • First physical dynamical computer, built in 5 months
  • 500 nanojoules per image, orders of magnitude better than GPUs
  • 4D computing: three physical dimensions plus time

17:40Beating biology and market implications

What are the implications of 1,000x efficiency?

The goal is 1,000x power efficiency in three and a half years, hitting the limits of 2D lithography, with the overarching goal of beating biology. He expects many small local data centers, billions of robots, and a Jevons paradox effect creating the largest market humanity has ever seen.

  • Today's computing is about 10 billion times from the thermodynamic limit
  • Shift from gigawatt data centers to many small ones
  • Jevons paradox: cheaper compute means more than 1,000x consumption

20:00Q&A: product path

How does this become a real product people can use?

A full rack data center product is within about 2 years — tokens in, tokens out, but with completely different internals. Existing models work but port at the model layer, not the operations layer, and the tooling is Python libraries rather than CUDA.

  • Product is a rack system within about 2 years
  • Models port at the model layer with significant compute required
  • Python libraries express time-varying stochastic elements

Notes

Background

  • Naveen Rao learned programming as a child on a computer his family got in 1978, became an electrical engineer, and later earned a PhD in neuroscience to figure out how to make computers intelligent.
  • He founded Nirvana Systems in 2014, the first AI chip company, sold it to Intel (admitting he sold too early), and started and ran Intel's AI group.
  • After 2020 he built a GPU infrastructure company that took off after ChatGPT in 2022, joined forces with Databricks in 2023, and now represents a quarter of Databricks' total revenue.

The Energy Wall

  • Google crosses 3.2 quadrillion tokens per month; at 10 joules per token that is about 12 gigawatts, against under 100 gigawatts of global data center energy.
  • Rao estimates AI runs out of energy in about 3 years given exponential market growth against linear energy supply.
  • About 50% of the cost of serving a token is energy; data center planning now starts with the energy contract, not floor space or GPUs.

Biology as Proof

  • The human brain runs on about 20 watts; a monkey's brain on 1 watt (like a cell phone); a squirrel's brain on 8 milliwatts while jumping between branches with perfect accuracy.
  • The human cortex moves only about 16 billion bits per second, versus nearly 30 trillion bits per second in and out of memory for a high-end GPU — moving information is what drives energy demand.
  • Computers since ENIAC (1945) have been built for speed, not energy efficiency, and Moore's law scaling of efficiency has largely ended.

The Approach: 4D Computing

  • Each abstraction layer (digital, floating point, neural networks) is lossy; Unconventional AI connects an abstraction of semiconductor physics directly to the neural network.
  • Inspired by dynamical systems theory — emergent behavior in bird flocks and ant colonies — and demonstrated by synchronizing metronomes on a rolling plank.
  • The open-source Uno model generates images using coupled oscillators; sparsity lets them throw away n² connections and get better, more trainable behavior.
  • The first physical dynamical computer was taped out June 1st and generates images at roughly 500 nanojoules per image, versus millijoules on a GPU.
  • 4D computing uses the time dimension plus physical 3D die stacking, unifying compute and memory instead of von Neumann separation.

Outlook

  • Goal: 1,000x power efficiency in three and a half years, hitting the limits of 2D lithography; today's computing is about 10 billion times from the thermodynamic limit, while mammalian brains are within one or two orders of magnitude of it.
  • Rao expects a shift from gigawatt data centers to many small, local ones, enabling billions of robots, and a Jevons paradox effect making this the largest market humanity has ever seen.
  • Product path: a full rack data center product within about 2 years; models port at the model layer, not the operations layer, with Python libraries (not CUDA) for expressing time-varying stochastic elements.

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