An inside look at Pickaway County's Arsenal-1 | Interview with Anduril founder Palmer Luckey

Arsenal-1 comes to Pickaway County

00:00Angelo this year will start producing autonomous fighter jets at its new Arsenal One production facility in Pickaway County. This is a $1 billion project that will bring 4000 jobs to central Ohio over the next decade. The excitement is certainly building and now on 10 TV Plus we hear from the man behind this vision, the founder of Anderil, Palmer Luckey. Thanks so much for joining us for this special presentation of 10 TV Plus. I'm Angela Ann. Let's start with what we know today. Andaril first made its announce. Announcement of coming to Ohio in January 2025. Since then, it built out an existing spec warehouse to become the first Arsenal One building, and building number two here is near completion.

00:43When it is all said and done, the Arsenal One campus will encompass 5 million square feet.

00:56And that is what will be coming off the line by this summer in Pickaway County YFQ 44A, the Fury autonomous fighter jet. You're looking at a test flight last October after it took Angela less than a year to build this prototype for the US Air Force. Now I had the chance to talk exclusively with Palmer Luckey during his recent visit to Pickaway County. He met with local leaders, firefighters, even construction. Workers saying he wanted to meet the people who are all part of history and helping to rebuild the arsenal. Here now is my exclusive conversation with Palmer Luckey from inside Arsenal One. Angela Ann here exclusively inside the new Arsenal One facility with the one and only Palmer Lucky.

Inside Building 1 with Palmer Luckey

01:42-- How are -- you? Thank you for coming. Welcome to building one of Arsenal One. Looking around, is this what you expected? Do you feel it? You know, it's pretty exciting. We've been expecting it for a while. There were a lot of people who said we weren't going to be able to build a factory this fast. We announced the project a year ago, so we've gone from announcement to this building, and we actually just finished all the exterior building and construction on Building 2. So we're moving really fast. We're going to be starting fighter jet production here of the FQ-44 Fury in a matter of weeks. You say weeks. I mean when you talk hyper scale, this is what a hyperscale looks like fast, furious,

02:21we're on it. That's right. I mean, there are certain things that you cannot build at small scale at a reasonable price. There's certain things where it only makes sense if you can scale up production. That's true for a lot of cars. That's true for a lot of consumer electronics projects. My last company was Oculus VR, which I sold to Facebook, and you can't build one VR headset for an affordable price, but you can build a million of them. And the same way, you can't build one fighter jet for an affordable price, but you can build hundreds or thousands of them. You had the chance to meet with some of our local representatives, really the boots on the ground, folks. I want to take a pause here because as we look around at this massive expansion,

Hyperscale production and proving the track record

03:01what is it that you wanted them to see first? So a lot of these are people who we've been working with for, you know, a year or more, and so the thing that I wanted them to see was that the things that we told them we were going to do, we actually came through. We've been hiring a bunch of people. We've been actually rotating those people out to our headquarters in California, training them, bringing them back here, putting them to work on the line. We're actually building these facilities. It's actually working. We're getting all the permits we need. We're getting the customer traction we need. So I think most of my talks with local legislators, you know, local, local leaders has been, hey, look,

03:33what we said we were going to do, we actually did it, because if I can get that track record, prove that I'm somebody who does what I say, that I'm a man of my word, then they're going to trust me the next time that I come to them with something and say, hey, time to do even more. We're not, we're not going to end at 5 million square feet. We're going to start there. Walk me through. I see 22 stations around this huge massive facility. What is going to happen around us? So these stations have just been finished in terms of construction of the stations. We're about to start bringing in all the equipment for the work they've done. So different stations all in different roles. You're going to have the aircraft moving down around this

The 22-station fighter jet production line

04:10line this way as you have wiring harnesses installed, weapons systems installed, sensors installed. You're going to have stealth coatings applied to the composite airframe, and then over the. Tested to make sure that it actually has the low radar signature that the Air Force needs for this to be a useful platform alongside F-35s and F-22s. If you're going to have robot fighter jets, you need to make sure that they're coming off the line absolutely perfect. So this is everything you need to build a fighter jet from nothing all the way to a ready to go flying fighter jet. We're going to be able to take those off right from Rickenbacker and fly those directly to the customer. What makes this so different than a Traditional defense

A modular factory and Anduril's own money

04:52manufacturing facility. There are a lot of nuances here and there. I mean, one of them is we've built this as a very modular facility. So if you look around, you'll notice we don't have what we call monuments, meaning big parts of the facility that are locked in place, trapped in place, made of concrete and steel, welded together as an integral part. The reason for all of it remaining relatively mobile and easy to move, even things like our gantry cranes, is that you can reconfigure the factory. So if I need to scale. Scale up production or if I need to build a different aircraft or suppose the Department of War comes to us and says we need you to focus on this particular model of the aircraft,

05:28not this other one, or we need you to make a bunch of this cruise missile in this part of the factory. We can reconfigure it to do that. So that's one of the things we've done differently. The biggest difference is Androl is a defense product company. We're not a contractor. We're a product company. We use our own money to decide what to build, how to build it, when it's done. We work with the customer closely in that process, but we've invested. Hundreds of millions of dollars in this factory already because we believe in putting our own money towards these programs. I think that when we trip and fall, we should lose our own money. It's good to live in fear, not. Just lounge on the taxpayer dime,

06:03and I think that makes a really big difference between Ander and a lot of other competition. I'll end by saying this. The first page of our first pitch deck to our investors was that Anderil was going to save Americans hundreds of billions a year by making tens of billions of dollars a year. We're not there yet, -- but we're -- getting there, rebuilding the arsenal. -- We're -- trying to rebuild the arsenal of democracy. I love that clarification. Because I feel like, and you tell me if I'm wrong, that that might have been the most misunderstood part of what Angel is doing with Arsenal One. Sure, you mean in terms of what we're actually building here? Yes, yes. I mean, look, what we're building here not a weapons factory.

Deterrence, not war-winning, as the goal

06:35What we're doing is we're trying to build the tools that are maximally deterrent to the enemies that the United States doesn't want to get in a fight with. The goal here is not to build the weapons. That will win a war with China. It's to build the things that will make China never want to go to war with us in the first place. It's not to build the things that will make North Korea lose in a fight against South Korea. It's to make them realize that they can't win a fight with us. Now there are certain actors in the world who are irrational actors. You can't play game theory with people who believe that they win by dying. You're not going to deter them by building things like this at Arsenal One,

07:13so there will always be fights with people that you can't reason with, but the things that we really need to be worried about as a country are toe to toe fights between superpowers and hyperpowers, and we are building the tools that we need to. Protect Americans. Protect American interests and protect American allies around the world by making it clear we are not a force that you can overcome. I have to segue. You talk about the conflicts around the world, obviously what's going on with Iran. Yes, you're watching very closely, -- of -- course we've. So I mean And does a lot of work on US bases all around the world, including in that region, doing air defense, drone defense, a variety of other missions.

Autonomous weapons and magazine depth

07:48-- So we've been very deeply -- involved. Is Arsenal or Zander I should say, and the building of Arsenal One, you think going to give us that advantage that we need for conflicts like against Iran and other future conflicts? It's going to give us the advantage we need and the Magazine depth that we need. One of the issues right now is that every day of this conflict we're burning through months or even years of certain weapons systems. 100%. If our adversaries know that they can just wait us out or outproduce us or that we'll fight a hard fight for 10 days and then run out. They're not gonna be very threatened by that. They need to be, they need to be of the belief that America can fight a war on day 1,

08:28day 2, day 10, day 100, day 1000. That's what real deterrence is. Do you feel like autonomous weapons are What's going to win this weapons arms race? I do for two big reasons. The first is that autonomous weapons can be used in ways that you could never morally use a manned aircraft. I can put them into harm's way. I can trade them against an enemy. I can put them out as the tip of the spear, engaging in tactics that are likely to get it killed. Because that strategic outcome of that mission is worth it. Imagine trying to play chess without pawns. Imagine if you didn't have pieces that you could put in harm's way without fear. I, I think that autonomous weapons like fury are going to be a critical part of the way that we

09:19deter wars and win wars. The other side is economic. The thing about autonomous weapons is that you can buy a very large number of them without having to increase the amount of manpower required to operate them. If I want to buy a ship. You know, I want I want the US Navy to go from 300 ships to let's say 600 ships. I need to hire literally tens of thousands of additional sailors just to staff those ships and maintain them and build the parts, and then I have to sail them all over the world to keep everybody trained continuously. You kind of have to play pretend that being at war continuously when you have a manned system. With an unmanned system, I can build a ship. I can build a fighter jet.

09:58I can build a submarine. I can put it in a warehouse like a Twinkie in a wrapper. It lasts for 1000 years. -- I -- was going to ask you about that. You compare weapons to Twinkies. I look, I've talked about this concept before, but we need to be building things exactly, and that's what allows us now we can have a navy of not 600 ships, but 1000 ships, and we don't have to have the absolutely unmanageable cost. Of the people it would take to staff a 1000 person navy, but we could wait 10 years, 20 years, 50 years. We can break these things out. Maybe you're going to put in a new brain chip or you're going to upgrade the sensor. -- Stuff is going to advance so much -- faster. Stuff is going to advance,

10:33but think about it this way. There are bombers over Iran right now that were designed almost 100 years ago. The United States is very good at taking. Systems that work and upgrading them and upgrading them and upgrading them. We're building Fury here in a matter of weeks. I think 50 years from today there's going to be aircraft that look a lot like Fury, and they're going to have new engines and they're going to have new sensors and they're going to have new weapons, but just like the F-15 or the F-16. Or even the F-22, you're gonna have these platforms flying for decades, maybe even a century. I've heard you talk about this when it comes to these autonomous systems, so my question is a little philosophical here for you.

Should AI make lethal decisions?

11:15Should AI ever be allowed to make that lethal decision about a human pressing a button? Reasonable people disagree, but I strongly believe yes, and my reasoning is this. Life and death, matters of life and death are too important. They are too fraught to not apply the best possible technology to minimizing collateral damage, minimizing harm that need not happen. For example, people will say things like Palmer, but can't you agree that An algorithm should never decide who lives and dies. I say, well, I, I don't, I don't see it. I don't see the moral high ground in making, for example, uh, an anti-vehicle landmine that can't tell the difference between a Russian tank and a school bus full of kids.

12:00I, I, I just, I, and you could say, oh well, you know, we blew up the school bus, but at least an algorithm didn't decide who dies, and I, I, I just, I can't see it because in the real world, the question that we have to ask ourselves, it's, it's not a question of.

12:16No weapons or smart weapons. It's a question of dumb weapons or smart weapons. And if I can build weapons that are able to reduce the number of civilian lives lost in war, I'm going to take that every single time, wherever, however spooky that might feel. Now the key is, of course, we need to hold humans accountable for that use of force, and that's where the question comes in. I think that the responsibility must lie with humans, and we need. People to take responsibility. If I'm deploying those landmines in a place where they're able to make a mistake and they make a mistake, a person needs to be held accountable. You say, did you use them appropriately? Did you trade the risks appropriately?

12:54Does this actually make sense? It's the same thing that we use for existing air defense systems. If I turn an air defense system into full automated mode, shoot down anything that's incoming, and then it shoots down a guy in a Cessna. Who wasn't doing anything, there's going to be an investigation and they're going to say, did this warrant that? like were you in a situation that warranted this? Are you in in an area that warrant this? Did you do enough of a review to understand what the consequences were? The answer is not to say that you cannot have an autonomous air defense system, because you do that, all someone has to do is they break communications or break your command and control or use an electromagnetic pulse that fries your

13:28your fries the laptop that controls it, and now your enemy can pummel you without stopping, and I so. I think we do need to get comfortable with the idea that there will be certain systems that are making decisions of life and death, and we need to be very careful about how we deploy them and how we take responsibility for the actions of those systems. And so if the systems were to say something happens, malfunctions, whatever, you would be the first to say, all right, we take responsibility. Let's fix it. Let's figure it out for the next step. And I'll go a step further. I think that people have actually been building autonomous weapons systems for thousands of years. They haven't been powered by AI exactly,

14:03but you can go back 3000 years and find records of the Chinese building pit traps that were designed to let some soldiers walk over them, and then the heavier soldiers carrying armor or horses fall straight through. That is a weapons system that is making targeting decisions based on the intent of the engineer who created it. Is it using AI? No. But the real question is, are we comfortable with technological weapons that act independent of the immediate oversight? Of a person and the answer I think has to be yes, with the right restrictions, with the right accountability, and accountability, by the way, cannot be to corporate executives like me. It cannot be to executives who run AI companies.

14:40It needs to be to the people who elect civilian leadership that is tasked with overseeing the military and holding them accountable. No, we can't, we can't live in a world where corporate executives have more practical power and control over US. Foreign and US military policy than the President of the United States, than the US Congress, and there are people who I think would love to see that. -- I am not -- one of them. You don't want to be that. You don't want to be the Pentagon's it guy making those decisions. I want to be their it guy for making their weapons, for making their tools, but I need to be kept on a short leash on a strong chain. I should. People come to me all the time. Palmer,

15:16would you sell to this country? Would you allow your weapons to be used in this way or that? That way, would you cut them off if they tried to do this? They say this is crazy. You're asking me if I as a corporate executive, should have the power to shut off parts of the US military unilaterally against the will of the president of the United States or Congress or the people elected. Like that is a not a that is a dystopian future you should stay as far away from as possible. Even people who trust me, they shouldn't trust who comes after me. They shouldn't trust anybody else. These have to remain. Again, in the realm of civilian elected leadership, people you can elect into power and that you can get out of power,

15:56nobody's figured out a way to have the American people vote me out of my role, so I better not be in charge of these decisions. But could you sell to another country if you wanted to? -- So -- I can. With the cooperation of the United States government, what a lot of people don't know is I'm actually very constricted in who I can sell to based -- on what you're building for the Department of Defense's -- right. I mean if I were to try to sell to North Korea, I'd go to prison. And then at the same time, there's countries that the United States government wants us to work with, sometimes for reasons that make a lot of sense publicly, sometimes for reasons people don't understand publicly, but you look back at,

16:28for example, the Cold War. There were times where people were really upset that the United States was allowing US weapons companies to sell air defense systems to certain countries. They're saying, Why are you selling to these autocratic regimes? Why are you doing this? And then it comes out after the fact. It's because we secretly had nuclear weapons stationed on the airfields, and it was critical that we not allow the Russians to come in and steal those weapons. The point is, the public is not always going to have every piece of information, and sometimes they can't. But if you believe in democracy, if you believe in the American experiment, and if you believe that this constitutional republic of ours,

China, red tape, and the workforce

17:01flawed as it might be, is a better way to run a government than corporatocracy, then it's kind of the trade that you have to make. -- What -- worries you more, Palmer, China's innovation or the red tape that sometimes we go through here in the US to get things done? Well, you know, there's an old joke, if you want to sabotage China's war machine, just take the US procurement manual, stand. Classified on it and they'll steal it and copy it in no time. I, I, I think that it's both. I mean there's a lot of, there's a lot of problems with the US technology development and procurement systems. Certainly our manufacturing supply chain is not nearly as advanced as China. Look, I, I used to be part of the problem.

17:37I made millions of virtual reality headsets in China at my previous job, Oculus VR. I started a virtual reality company when I was 19 years old, sold to Facebook, worked on VR there for a few years before they fired me, and I've spent a lot of time. In China, I've had teams of hundreds of Chinese engineers. They know how to get stuff done. They are an incredible power. If I, if I had no national allegiance, I would be in Shenzhen, China for sure. It is the best place in the world to get stuff done very, very fast if you are an engineer with a clear vision. Now there's advantages to the US. Like there's certain things you can only build here. There's certain things where the talent is only here.

18:14There's certainly a lot of. Capital available here in a way that is not available in China, but we cannot take them lightly. They are very, very good at making the things that we are bad at making, and until we're able to reverse that, we're going to be on the back foot. Do you feel like from what you heard with some of the leaders today, the local leaders, yes, Arsenal One is turning that tide. You've promised 4000 jobs in the next 10 years. You're partnering with our local schools, engineers. Schools are back. That's in business. Do you feel like you are building that arsenal of our workforce? I think so, and I think that that's going to be a mix of people that are doing traditional 4-year college programs,

18:53people doing 2-year degrees, even people doing things like 6 month work training programs right out of the garage. Well, look, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't graduate from college myself. I dropped out when I was 19 to start my first company. Andro doesn't require a college degree for any job in the entire company, any of them. Even our engineering roles and so the people who work here, there's going to be a mix of people who make different decisions about their life, about their career. We're going to have a place for all of those people as long as they want to work hard, work on problems that matter, and help us rebuild the arsenal. -- So -- when you see all these people looking at you right now,

19:24like, do you feel like some responsibility, I mean, you are making generational change for some of them. I feel a lot of responsibility, and the thing that I remember every day is that Andal. Look, the people we hire, they're not, we're not their employer of last resort. Nobody is coming to work here because there are no other options, right? These are all smart people, motivated people. They could be starting their own companies. They could be going to work at big tech companies. They could be going to other startups. The fact that they're here means that they support our mission, and I need to. In turn, recognize that I can't take them for granted. These are people who have other options. I need to make this a great place to work.

20:04I need to make it a great way for them to support their families. I hope that people, when they eventually leave, because people probably aren't gonna work for us, you know, until they, until they keel over and die, uh, but I hope that when people eventually leave Anderal, they look back and say, wow, that was professionally fulfilling, uh, that was fiscally fulfilling, that was spiritually fulfilling. It was the most fulfilling role that I could have had in this time in my life, -- and I think that we're -- doing that. I want to talk about the AI Grand Prix real quickly. Let's do it. I mean, that's so exciting. No one's done it, and you said that's why I'm going to do it. That's right. So the AI Grand Prix is a competition that we just launched

The AI Grand Prix recruiting tool

20:45that. Is primarily targeted at people who want to be working on the latest cutting edge autonomy technology, so most, it's a drone race, but unlike moon drones, most drone races which focus on how well you can be a joystick jockey, you're, you know, how fast can I react, how well can I pilot it. It instead focuses on how well you can program the brain of a drone, so everybody gets the same drone, all of the teams, and then they are building their own control algorithms and control schemes that are going to pilot these drones through an obstacle course as quickly as possible. So it's not about reaction time, it's not about how good you are with a joystick, it's about how good you are at typing on the computer,

21:23how good are you at coding. In the first day we opened, we had over 1000 teams enter the AI Grand Prix. -- It's -- almost like you're recruiting tool. it. It actually literally is a recruiting tool. In fact, the the the the winning prize, not only do we have a prize pool where you can win hundreds of thousands of dollars, we are also offering jobs to the winning team. So if you, if you win, you get cash and a job at Anderal if you want it. I'm curious, Palmer, what was the aha moment for you where your focus from Oculus to defense came? What, what made you say that's it? You know, I've been interested in national security for a very long time. My grandfather was not in the military, but he was a civilian operator who helped move equipment for the Air Force,

From Oculus to defense and his grandfather's legacy

22:11including during Operation Desert Storm. He has a letter from the Secretary of the Air Force thanking him for his help during Desert Storm, that he's passed away now, but I keep it in a frame in my home office. And North Star. Yeah, I've been interested in this for a very long time. My grandpa is one of my heroes. I named my son after him. But even, even before I started Oculus, I worked in an Army affiliate research center on a program using virtual reality exposure therapy to treat veterans with PTSD, and that was, that was something else that got me very interested in how you can use technology to help the men and women that are on the front lines of these fights who are coming back with real injuries,

22:51sometimes obvious, sometimes less obvious. And then I went into, you know, Oculus and building basically gaming and entertainment tools. I guess you could say Anderal is not so much a pivot into something new for me as a return to where I started. So I've loved the last 8 or 9 years that I've spent working on these problems. I think they're some of the most important problems out there. I think that there's not nearly enough people working on them, and if people don't work for me, I hope they work on these problems somewhere else, because again, they're some of the most important problems we face, and you can't wait until a war starts to start solving these problems, because again, You want to build tools that stop the war from starting,

23:28not winning, and if you wait till the war starts to start working on these problems, you're just part of the killing, not the stopping. You think we can catch up because I feel like we got complacent a little while. -- So -- there's two things that you should keep in mind. One is that I'm very optimistic that we can catch up in the areas where the where the American manufacturing side is behind supply chain. I believe we can catch up. But just as important as that is that there are people out there who think I'm wrong. There's people who think that we have to give up, that we should just give Taiwan to China, that we should just let China basically economically and politically dominate the world because,

24:03it's too late. And my point to them. Is that the United States needs people like me who don't believe that. You have to have people who believe that it's not too late, because the moment that you stop believing it, you've truly lost. And so there's people out there, smart people who think I'm wrong. And my point to them is that even if I end up being wrong, thank goodness there's me and all of these people who think we still have a chance, and we're not going to give up. What do you think your grandfather would say to all this? I think he would be really proud. He was a United Airlines pilot for about 45 years. He taught me. So many of the things that I've used to build my businesses, and unfortunately he passed away

24:48uh right around the time that I launched the first Oculus VR consumer headset. So very shortly before he passed, he was able to use one of our first systems off of the factory line and uh that was, that was, that was, that was something that he really appreciated that he, that he, that he was able to, to make it to that, but I think he'd, I think he'd have, uh, I think he'd say something like, I'm proud of you. Everybody has a, everybody has a, has a part in solving these problems, whether you're in the military or a civilian. You've been described by every word that you can think of, right? Eccentric, the Pentagon's it guy, um, he's out there, Hawaiian shirt guy, whatever. How would you describe yourself?

25:35I would describe myself as a singular individual. I am what I choose to be and nothing else. I, I, I think that people really can be what they decide to be, even if it takes them a while to get there. And the most annoying thing is when people have contradictory impressions of me. You know, there was a time where you had some people saying Palmer is anti-Semitic, and then the other side saying Palmer Luckey is is is you know, is this horrible Zionist who loves the Jews. I'm like. I mean, without even taking a position on you, why, why can't you guys just agree on what I am? It's like calling me fat and skinny at the same time, you know, pick, pick, pick, pick, pick an insult, um, but yeah, if I could describe,

26:14if I could describe myself, I, I am, I am me, I'm a technology entrepreneur, uh. You know what I really like to say, uh, my dad used to say growing up, think like a problem solver, not a problem creator, because if you're really smart, you can come up with a million reasons to not do something. You come up with a million problems as to that can't be solved, and I'd say if I could describe myself in one way, Palmer Luckey, problem solver, not problem creator. I love that. -- I love -- that. Yeah, I like that too. -- Let's -- put that on a bumper sticker for you. Um, you're back at Meta. That's right. No, well, I'm, yeah, I'm working with Meta again. I mean, how does that, which is, look, -- it's -- kind of

Meta reunion, self-description, and what's next

26:53-- full -- circle. So there's a few things. Look, this is a long, complicated narrative that I don't think any of, any of your viewers particularly care about, but the short version is I gave $9000 to the wrong politician, ended up getting fired, and I was real sore about that for a very long time. But at this point, Facebook executives recently apologized for what they said about me. They they they say they love working with me, that none of the people who are responsible for my firing are still at the company, and so it becomes a ship of Theseus problem, right? You know, you have a ship, it's traveling over time. If you replace every part of the ship over time such that none of the original components there,

27:31is it the same ship, that's kind of how I feel with Meta. The people who got me fired, they're not there anymore. It's been a decade since they fired me. And so at some point you have to ask yourself, what are you even angry at? Am I angry at, you know, Meta LLC, a Delaware corporation, or am I mad at individuals who are not even associated with that organization anymore? And I've, I've come to the conclusion. It's more the latter, and I need to work with Meta for national security purposes. It's actually been really fantastic. We've been working together to take some of Meta's technology that they've spent billions of dollars developing and applying it to the United States Army's problems, to the United States.

28:13It's Air Force's problems and the Marine Corps problem, and so I think we're we actually have a great partnership where they're building incredible technology, some of it based on technology that I sold them a decade ago, and I'm the one that they're working with to bring that to our warfighters, and I, I, I think that's fantastic. And I'll end this rant by saying it would be really lame of me to compromise US national security because I might have a beef or feel uncomfortable working with a company that fired me. If they're the best company to be helping the Department of War, then I need to get over it. Don't want to trip over dollars to pick up pennies, so to speak, right? That's right. Question,

28:52if Arsenal one, as you look at all this works exactly as you envision, I know you said building the arsenal is a good deterrent for America, but if this arsenal one here in Pickaway County works as you envision, does it make the world safer or just more efficiently dangerous? I think it makes it safer. If, if you look at the last few decades, post-Cold War, we've seen that deterrence on the nuclear side and on the conventional side is a pretty powerful effect. I might end up being wrong in the long run, but typically the worst wars are the ones that are fought when one side or another believes that it can win and believes that winning will be easy. I can't make it where war is impossible, but I can definitely make it where everyone agrees it is not going to be easy.

29:42And in a war where the, sorry, in a world where the cost of war is high, you're going to see less warfare on the part of rational superpowers. Now again, there's going to be crazy people who win by dying, and you can't fight that. You can't fight that. And so the United States could have 10,000 fighter jets in reserve. And a 1000 ship navy, that's not going to convince the guy who honestly wants to get toasted in his in his uh in his crusade against you, but it'll certainly stop the people who want to have a functional economy and a functional society and a place in in in the world order. Do you have a what's next? Do I have a what's next? I mean we've got a whole bunch of what's next actually.

30:25We've got some classified secure space over there where we're gonna be building another system that is the what's next for Anderal, so I can't talk about it today, but we've got a lot of what's next, including here at Arsenal One. What about what's next after Andreel? Do you see life after? You know, I have to remind people that I'm not a serial entrepreneur by choice, right? I started Oculus when I was a teenager. I would have stayed there for the rest of my life. I really loved working on virtual reality technology. I think I would have probably worked on VR technology with military applications, and I think I would have done some more of that, gotten back into that, but I love what I'm doing.

31:05These are very interesting problems. The need for it is really great. There's very few. Areas where you can directly save lives and you can see it and you can meet the people whose lives you saved as a result of your work. This is one of them. It's extremely rewarding personally. I've got enough money that I can work on whatever I want, so look, maybe there will be something else that I want to tackle at some point, but right now my top priority is definitely and I. I have a couple of side projects. I, I, I have a, I have a cheesecake ice cream burrito company that I have a stake in. I, I, I have a side project building, uh, extremely high-end tributes to the Nintendo Game Boy Color, basically very high-end hardware clones that play Game Boy Color games,

31:46but 99% of my effort is going into making sure that America remains the world's preeminent superpower. Do you think you see things differently now as a father? Hm, that's an interesting one. I think, look, my, my, my kid's 18 months old, so he's pretty new. I would say not yet, but that also might be because I've been planning on having kids for a long time. Me and my wife have been together since we were 15, so like we've been together like 18 years now, and so uh. I'd say I think a lot of the mind shifts, the the the the shift in mindset came when I decided that I was going to be a dad, when I was going to definitely have kids, and that the act of actually having the kid, it reinforces it a little bit,

32:32but you know some people say, oh my God, everything changed when you had the kid, but I'm like, nope, I still feel the same way. I need to make sure that I build a good place for kids. I want to make sure that they're not growing up in a place where they're going to be. In danger or terrified or second class citizens in a global economy. Now Palmer ended our conversation saying he would love to bring Baby Freeman out to see Arsenal One and that he's also considering buying a house in central Ohio. So it's clear Palmer Luckey is not only investing in our state from a business standpoint but also personal and protecting the ones he loves are why rebuilding the arsenal for him is mission number one.

33:11Thanks so much for watching this special presentation of 10 TV Plus. I'm Angela Ann. I'll see you around.