WEBVTT 00:00:00.470 --> 00:00:03.817 Angelo this year will start producing autonomous fighter jets at 00:00:03.900 --> 00:00:07.180 its new Arsenal One production facility in Pickaway County. 00:00:07.550 --> 00:00:10.947 This is a $1 billion project that will bring 4000 00:00:11.030 --> 00:00:13.290 jobs to central Ohio over the next decade. 00:00:13.690 --> 00:00:17.290 The excitement is certainly building and now on 10 TV Plus 00:00:17.530 --> 00:00:22.910 we hear from the man behind this vision, the founder of Anderil, Palmer Luckey. 00:00:23.210 --> 00:00:26.447 Thanks so much for joining us for this special presentation of 10 TV Plus. 00:00:26.530 --> 00:00:29.680 I'm Angela Ann. Let's start with what we know today. 00:00:29.890 --> 00:00:31.197 Andaril first made its announce. 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:34.390 Announcement of coming to Ohio in January 2025. 00:00:34.800 --> 00:00:35.197 Since then, 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:39.760 it built out an existing spec warehouse to become the first Arsenal One building, 00:00:40.010 --> 00:00:42.670 and building number two here is near completion. 00:00:43.080 --> 00:00:47.260 When it is all said and done, the Arsenal One campus will encompass 5 00:00:47.440 --> 00:00:48.900 million square feet. 00:00:56.170 --> 00:01:00.950 And that is what will be coming off the line by this summer in Pickaway County 00:01:01.300 --> 00:01:05.600 YFQ 44A, the Fury autonomous fighter jet. 00:01:05.860 --> 00:01:08.120 You're looking at a test flight last October 00:01:08.300 --> 00:01:13.830 after it took Angela less than a year to build this prototype for the US Air Force. 00:01:14.220 --> 00:01:17.680 Now I had the chance to talk exclusively with Palmer Luckey 00:01:17.900 --> 00:01:20.050 during his recent visit to Pickaway County. 00:01:20.180 --> 00:01:23.037 He met with local leaders, firefighters, even construction. 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:27.220 Workers saying he wanted to meet the people who are all part of history 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:29.340 and helping to rebuild the arsenal. 00:01:29.810 --> 00:01:34.760 Here now is my exclusive conversation with Palmer Luckey from inside Arsenal One. 00:01:35.080 --> 00:01:39.280 Angela Ann here exclusively inside the new Arsenal One 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:42.560 facility with the one and only Palmer Lucky. 00:01:42.670 --> 00:01:43.957 -- How are -- you? Thank you for coming. 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:46.400 Welcome to building one of Arsenal One. 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:49.167 Looking around, is this what you expected? 00:01:49.250 --> 00:01:51.830 Do you feel it? You know, it's pretty exciting. 00:01:52.150 --> 00:01:53.777 We've been expecting it for a while. 00:01:53.860 --> 00:01:55.147 There were a lot of people who said we weren't 00:01:55.230 --> 00:01:57.530 going to be able to build a factory this fast. 00:01:58.110 --> 00:01:59.897 We announced the project a year ago, 00:01:59.980 --> 00:02:02.467 so we've gone from announcement to this building, 00:02:02.550 --> 00:02:05.450 and we actually just finished all the exterior building 00:02:05.670 --> 00:02:07.147 and construction on Building 2. 00:02:07.230 --> 00:02:10.957 So we're moving really fast. We're going to be starting fighter jet production here 00:02:11.040 --> 00:02:14.510 of the FQ-44 Fury in a matter of weeks. 00:02:15.330 --> 00:02:17.890 You say weeks. I mean when you talk hyper scale, 00:02:18.050 --> 00:02:21.567 this is what a hyperscale looks like fast, furious, we're on it. 00:02:21.650 --> 00:02:23.050 That's right. I mean, 00:02:23.610 --> 00:02:27.312 there are certain things that you cannot build at small scale at a reasonable 00:02:27.395 --> 00:02:30.145 price. There's certain things where it only makes sense 00:02:30.670 --> 00:02:31.847 if you can scale up production. 00:02:31.930 --> 00:02:33.430 That's true for a lot of cars. 00:02:33.540 --> 00:02:36.290 That's true for a lot of consumer electronics projects. 00:02:36.380 --> 00:02:39.180 My last company was Oculus VR, which I sold to Facebook, 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.207 and you can't build one VR headset for an affordable price, 00:02:43.290 --> 00:02:44.787 but you can build a million of them. 00:02:44.870 --> 00:02:48.570 And the same way, you can't build one fighter jet for an affordable price, 00:02:48.740 --> 00:02:51.370 but you can build hundreds or thousands of them. 00:02:52.210 --> 00:02:55.740 You had the chance to meet with some of our local representatives, 00:02:55.940 --> 00:02:57.497 really the boots on the ground, folks. 00:02:57.580 --> 00:03:01.017 I want to take a pause here because as we look around at this massive expansion, 00:03:01.100 --> 00:03:04.080 what is it that you wanted them to see first? 00:03:04.620 --> 00:03:07.377 So a lot of these are people who we've been working with for, you know, 00:03:07.460 --> 00:03:10.737 a year or more, and so the thing that I wanted them to see was that 00:03:10.820 --> 00:03:13.577 the things that we told them we were going to do, we actually came through. 00:03:13.660 --> 00:03:15.297 We've been hiring a bunch of people. 00:03:15.380 --> 00:03:18.617 We've been actually rotating those people out to our headquarters in California, 00:03:18.700 --> 00:03:21.717 training them, bringing them back here, putting them to work on the line. 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:23.757 We're actually building these facilities. 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:25.877 It's actually working. We're getting all the permits we need. 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:27.397 We're getting the customer traction we need. 00:03:27.480 --> 00:03:31.800 So I think most of my talks with local legislators, you know, local, 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:35.360 local leaders has been, hey, look, what we said we were going to do, 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.470 we actually did it, because if I can get that track record, 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.187 prove that I'm somebody who does what I say, that I'm a man of my word, 00:03:42.270 --> 00:03:43.437 then they're going to trust me the next time 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.357 that I come to them with something and say, hey, time to do even more. 00:03:46.440 --> 00:03:49.690 We're not, we're not going to end at 5 million square feet. 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:51.310 We're going to start there. 00:03:51.540 --> 00:03:56.300 Walk me through. I see 22 stations around this huge massive facility. 00:03:56.820 --> 00:03:58.540 What is going to happen around us? 00:03:58.820 --> 00:04:03.020 So these stations have just been finished in terms of construction of the stations. 00:04:03.180 --> 00:04:05.747 We're about to start bringing in all the equipment for the work they've done. 00:04:05.830 --> 00:04:07.697 So different stations all in different roles. 00:04:07.780 --> 00:04:10.537 You're going to have the aircraft moving down around this 00:04:10.620 --> 00:04:15.280 line this way as you have wiring harnesses installed, weapons systems installed, 00:04:15.740 --> 00:04:16.817 sensors installed. 00:04:16.900 --> 00:04:20.167 You're going to have stealth coatings applied to the composite airframe, 00:04:20.250 --> 00:04:24.620 and then over the. Tested to make sure that it actually has the low 00:04:24.880 --> 00:04:27.077 radar signature that the Air Force needs for this 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:31.160 to be a useful platform alongside F-35s and F-22s. 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:33.017 If you're going to have robot fighter jets, 00:04:33.100 --> 00:04:35.187 you need to make sure that they're coming off the line absolutely perfect. 00:04:35.270 --> 00:04:38.170 So this is everything you need to build a fighter jet from 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:42.430 nothing all the way to a ready to go flying fighter jet. 00:04:42.520 --> 00:04:46.300 We're going to be able to take those off right from Rickenbacker 00:04:46.610 --> 00:04:48.560 and fly those directly to the customer. 00:04:48.760 --> 00:04:51.980 What makes this so different than a Traditional defense 00:04:52.180 --> 00:04:57.377 manufacturing facility. There are a lot of nuances here and there. 00:04:57.460 --> 00:05:00.337 I mean, one of them is we've built this as a very modular facility. 00:05:00.420 --> 00:05:04.497 So if you look around, you'll notice we don't have what we call monuments, meaning 00:05:04.580 --> 00:05:07.497 big parts of the facility that are locked in place, trapped in place, 00:05:07.580 --> 00:05:10.850 made of concrete and steel, welded together as an integral part. 00:05:11.180 --> 00:05:14.900 The reason for all of it remaining relatively mobile and easy to move, 00:05:15.020 --> 00:05:19.220 even things like our gantry cranes, is that you can reconfigure the factory. 00:05:19.340 --> 00:05:22.677 So if I need to scale. Scale up production or if I need to build a different 00:05:22.760 --> 00:05:25.940 aircraft or suppose the Department of War comes to us and says 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:29.357 we need you to focus on this particular model of the aircraft, not this other one, 00:05:29.440 --> 00:05:32.500 or we need you to make a bunch of this cruise missile 00:05:32.760 --> 00:05:35.117 in this part of the factory. We can reconfigure it to do that. 00:05:35.200 --> 00:05:36.527 So that's one of the things we've done differently. 00:05:36.610 --> 00:05:39.710 The biggest difference is Androl is a defense product company. 00:05:39.850 --> 00:05:41.977 We're not a contractor. We're a product company. 00:05:42.060 --> 00:05:45.677 We use our own money to decide what to build, how to build it, when it's done. 00:05:45.760 --> 00:05:49.540 We work with the customer closely in that process, but we've invested. 00:05:50.340 --> 00:05:53.320 Hundreds of millions of dollars in this factory already 00:05:53.900 --> 00:05:56.857 because we believe in putting our own money towards these programs. 00:05:56.940 --> 00:05:59.107 I think that when we trip and fall, we should lose our own money. 00:05:59.190 --> 00:06:00.900 It's good to live in fear, not. 00:06:01.350 --> 00:06:02.107 Just 00:06:02.190 --> 00:06:05.827 lounge on the taxpayer dime, and I think that makes a really big difference 00:06:05.910 --> 00:06:07.787 between Ander and a lot of other competition. 00:06:07.870 --> 00:06:09.070 I'll end by saying this. 00:06:09.310 --> 00:06:12.155 The first page of our first pitch deck to our investors was that Anderil was going 00:06:12.239 --> 00:06:14.827 to save Americans hundreds of billions a year by 00:06:14.910 --> 00:06:17.010 making tens of billions of dollars a year. 00:06:17.150 --> 00:06:20.147 We're not there yet, -- but we're -- getting there, rebuilding the arsenal. 00:06:20.230 --> 00:06:22.307 -- We're -- trying to rebuild the arsenal of democracy. 00:06:22.390 --> 00:06:25.897 I love that clarification. Because I feel like, and you tell me if I'm wrong, 00:06:25.980 --> 00:06:27.807 that that might have been the most misunderstood part 00:06:27.890 --> 00:06:29.910 of what Angel is doing with Arsenal One. 00:06:30.130 --> 00:06:33.047 Sure, you mean in terms of what we're actually building here? 00:06:33.130 --> 00:06:35.807 Yes, yes. I mean, look, what we're building here not a weapons factory. 00:06:35.890 --> 00:06:39.890 What we're doing is we're trying to build the tools that are maximally deterrent 00:06:40.010 --> 00:06:44.180 to the enemies that the United States doesn't want to get in a fight with. 00:06:44.450 --> 00:06:46.550 The goal here is not to build the weapons. 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:48.230 That will win a war with China. 00:06:48.440 --> 00:06:50.357 It's to build the things that will make China never want 00:06:50.440 --> 00:06:51.477 to go to war with us in the first place. 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:54.340 It's not to build the things that will make North Korea 00:06:55.320 --> 00:06:57.200 lose in a fight against South Korea. 00:06:57.400 --> 00:07:00.730 It's to make them realize that they can't win a fight with us. 00:07:00.840 --> 00:07:04.390 Now there are certain actors in the world who are irrational actors. 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:08.860 You can't play game theory with people who believe that they win by dying. 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:13.037 You're not going to deter them by building things like this at Arsenal One, 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:16.620 so there will always be fights with people that you can't reason with, 00:07:16.880 --> 00:07:18.757 but the things that we really need to be worried about as 00:07:18.840 --> 00:07:22.320 a country are toe to toe fights between superpowers and hyperpowers, 00:07:22.640 --> 00:07:24.797 and we are building the tools that we need to. 00:07:24.880 --> 00:07:25.820 Protect Americans. 00:07:25.990 --> 00:07:29.797 Protect American interests and protect American allies around the world by making 00:07:29.880 --> 00:07:32.860 it clear we are not a force that you can overcome. 00:07:33.270 --> 00:07:35.307 I have to segue. You talk about the conflicts around the world, 00:07:35.390 --> 00:07:36.807 obviously what's going on with Iran. 00:07:36.890 --> 00:07:39.800 Yes, you're watching very closely, -- of -- course we've. 00:07:41.330 --> 00:07:44.517 So I mean And does a lot of work on US bases all around the world, 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.077 including in that region, doing air defense, drone defense, 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.757 a variety of other missions. -- So we've been very deeply -- involved. 00:07:49.840 --> 00:07:53.317 Is Arsenal or Zander I should say, and the building of Arsenal One, 00:07:53.400 --> 00:07:54.957 you think going to give us that advantage that 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:58.917 we need for conflicts like against Iran and other future conflicts? 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.927 It's going to give us the advantage we need and the Magazine depth that we need. 00:08:02.010 --> 00:08:06.950 One of the issues right now is that every day of this conflict we're burning through 00:08:07.330 --> 00:08:10.240 months or even years of certain weapons systems. 00:08:10.330 --> 00:08:13.110 100%. If our adversaries know 00:08:13.370 --> 00:08:17.057 that they can just wait us out or outproduce us or that 00:08:17.140 --> 00:08:20.430 we'll fight a hard fight for 10 days and then run out. 00:08:21.650 --> 00:08:23.117 They're not gonna be very threatened by that. 00:08:23.200 --> 00:08:25.930 They need to be, they need to be of the belief 00:08:26.130 --> 00:08:32.050 that America can fight a war on day 1, day 2, day 10, day 100, day 1000. 00:08:33.110 --> 00:08:34.557 That's what real deterrence is. 00:08:34.640 --> 00:08:36.710 Do you feel like autonomous weapons 00:08:37.330 --> 00:08:38.163 are 00:08:38.750 --> 00:08:42.240 What's going to win this weapons arms race? 00:08:42.830 --> 00:08:44.980 I do for two big reasons. 00:08:45.430 --> 00:08:48.910 The first is that autonomous weapons can be used in ways 00:08:49.110 --> 00:08:53.250 that you could never morally use a manned aircraft. 00:08:53.430 --> 00:08:54.980 I can put them into harm's way. 00:08:55.070 --> 00:08:56.770 I can trade them against an enemy. 00:08:56.950 --> 00:08:59.400 I can put them out as the tip of the spear, 00:08:59.630 --> 00:09:02.530 engaging in tactics that are likely to get it killed. 00:09:03.490 --> 00:09:06.810 Because that strategic outcome of that mission is worth it. 00:09:07.010 --> 00:09:09.490 Imagine trying to play chess without pawns. 00:09:09.820 --> 00:09:14.330 Imagine if you didn't have pieces that you could put in harm's way without fear. 00:09:14.850 --> 00:09:17.287 I, I think that autonomous weapons like fury are going 00:09:17.370 --> 00:09:21.880 to be a critical part of the way that we deter wars and win wars. 00:09:22.130 --> 00:09:23.480 The other side is economic. 00:09:23.850 --> 00:09:26.730 The thing about autonomous weapons is that you can buy 00:09:26.970 --> 00:09:29.877 a very large number of them without having to 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:31.847 increase the amount of manpower required to operate them. 00:09:31.930 --> 00:09:33.130 If I want to buy a ship. 00:09:33.810 --> 00:09:38.850 You know, I want I want the US Navy to go from 300 ships to let's say 600 ships. 00:09:39.090 --> 00:09:41.487 I need to hire literally tens of thousands 00:09:41.570 --> 00:09:44.560 of additional sailors just to staff those ships 00:09:44.690 --> 00:09:48.277 and maintain them and build the parts, and then I have to sail them all 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:50.927 over the world to keep everybody trained continuously. 00:09:51.010 --> 00:09:52.767 You kind of have to play pretend that being 00:09:52.850 --> 00:09:55.370 at war continuously when you have a manned system. 00:09:55.530 --> 00:09:57.237 With an unmanned system, I can build a ship. 00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:00.060 I can build a fighter jet. I can build a submarine. 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:02.637 I can put it in a warehouse like a Twinkie in a wrapper. 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:04.667 It lasts for 1000 years. -- I -- was going to ask you about that. 00:10:04.750 --> 00:10:06.360 You compare weapons to Twinkies. 00:10:06.560 --> 00:10:10.560 I look, I've talked about this concept before, but we need to be building things 00:10:10.750 --> 00:10:15.307 exactly, and that's what allows us now we can have a navy of not 600 ships, 00:10:15.390 --> 00:10:20.630 but 1000 ships, and we don't have to have the absolutely unmanageable cost. 00:10:20.740 --> 00:10:23.417 Of the people it would take to staff a 1000 person navy, 00:10:23.500 --> 00:10:26.010 but we could wait 10 years, 20 years, 50 years. 00:10:26.260 --> 00:10:27.297 We can break these things out. 00:10:27.380 --> 00:10:29.578 Maybe you're going to put in a new brain chip or you're going to upgrade 00:10:29.661 --> 00:10:32.017 the sensor. -- Stuff is going to advance so much -- faster. 00:10:32.100 --> 00:10:34.457 Stuff is going to advance, but think about it this way. 00:10:34.540 --> 00:10:39.970 There are bombers over Iran right now that were designed almost 100 years ago. 00:10:42.040 --> 00:10:44.120 The United States is very good at taking. 00:10:44.830 --> 00:10:47.937 Systems that work and upgrading them and upgrading them and upgrading them. 00:10:48.020 --> 00:10:50.710 We're building Fury here in a matter of weeks. 00:10:51.030 --> 00:10:54.827 I think 50 years from today there's going to be aircraft that look a lot like Fury, 00:10:54.910 --> 00:10:56.497 and they're going to have new engines and they're going to 00:10:56.580 --> 00:10:58.947 have new sensors and they're going to have new weapons, 00:10:59.030 --> 00:11:01.450 but just like the F-15 or the F-16. 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:07.070 Or even the F-22, you're gonna have these platforms flying for decades, 00:11:07.430 --> 00:11:11.290 maybe even a century. I've heard you talk about this when it comes to 00:11:11.390 --> 00:11:14.987 these autonomous systems, so my question is a little philosophical here for you. 00:11:15.070 --> 00:11:18.900 Should AI ever be allowed to make that lethal decision about 00:11:19.470 --> 00:11:20.780 a human pressing a button? 00:11:21.510 --> 00:11:25.910 Reasonable people disagree, but I strongly believe yes, and my reasoning is this. 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:27.433 Life and death, 00:11:28.270 --> 00:11:30.370 matters of life and death are too 00:11:31.030 --> 00:11:34.907 important. They are too fraught to not apply the best 00:11:34.990 --> 00:11:38.270 possible technology to minimizing collateral damage, 00:11:38.430 --> 00:11:40.690 minimizing harm that need not happen. 00:11:41.110 --> 00:11:44.900 For example, people will say things like Palmer, but can't you agree that 00:11:45.650 --> 00:11:48.497 An algorithm should never decide who lives and dies. 00:11:48.580 --> 00:11:50.397 I say, well, I, I don't, I don't see it. 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:53.330 I don't see the moral high ground in making, for example, 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.950 uh, an anti-vehicle landmine that can't tell the difference between 00:11:57.780 --> 00:12:00.560 a Russian tank and a school bus full of kids. 00:12:00.900 --> 00:12:04.217 I, I, I just, I, and you could say, oh well, you know, we blew up the school bus, 00:12:04.300 --> 00:12:08.937 but at least an algorithm didn't decide who dies, and I, I, I just, 00:12:09.020 --> 00:12:10.617 I can't see it because in the real world, 00:12:10.700 --> 00:12:14.350 the question that we have to ask ourselves, it's, it's not a question of. 00:12:16.820 --> 00:12:22.180 No weapons or smart weapons. It's a question of dumb weapons or smart weapons. 00:12:22.300 --> 00:12:24.497 And if I can build weapons that are able to 00:12:24.580 --> 00:12:27.640 reduce the number of civilian lives lost in war, 00:12:27.980 --> 00:12:30.530 I'm going to take that every single time, wherever, 00:12:31.130 --> 00:12:32.780 however spooky that might feel. 00:12:32.900 --> 00:12:36.257 Now the key is, of course, we need to hold humans accountable for that use of force, 00:12:36.340 --> 00:12:37.657 and that's where the question comes in. 00:12:37.740 --> 00:12:40.967 I think that the responsibility must lie with humans, and we need. 00:12:41.050 --> 00:12:43.047 People to take responsibility. 00:12:43.130 --> 00:12:48.430 If I'm deploying those landmines in a place where they're able to make a mistake 00:12:48.650 --> 00:12:51.327 and they make a mistake, a person needs to be held accountable. 00:12:51.410 --> 00:12:53.047 You say, did you use them appropriately? 00:12:53.130 --> 00:12:54.647 Did you trade the risks appropriately? 00:12:54.730 --> 00:12:55.767 Does this actually make sense? 00:12:55.850 --> 00:12:58.807 It's the same thing that we use for existing air defense systems. 00:12:58.890 --> 00:13:01.810 If I turn an air defense system into full automated mode, 00:13:01.990 --> 00:13:05.940 shoot down anything that's incoming, and then it shoots down a guy in a Cessna. 00:13:06.660 --> 00:13:07.960 Who wasn't doing anything, 00:13:08.140 --> 00:13:10.087 there's going to be an investigation and they're going to say, 00:13:10.170 --> 00:13:13.487 did this warrant that? like were you in a situation that warranted this? 00:13:13.570 --> 00:13:14.937 Are you in in an area that warrant this? 00:13:15.020 --> 00:13:17.777 Did you do enough of a review to understand what the consequences were? 00:13:17.860 --> 00:13:22.000 The answer is not to say that you cannot have an autonomous air defense system, 00:13:22.210 --> 00:13:23.017 because you do that, 00:13:23.100 --> 00:13:25.810 all someone has to do is they break communications or break your command 00:13:25.893 --> 00:13:28.697 and control or use an electromagnetic pulse that fries your 00:13:28.780 --> 00:13:32.430 your fries the laptop that controls it, and now your enemy can pummel you 00:13:33.020 --> 00:13:34.620 without stopping, and I so. 00:13:35.050 --> 00:13:38.417 I think we do need to get comfortable with the idea that there 00:13:38.500 --> 00:13:41.897 will be certain systems that are making decisions of life and death, 00:13:41.980 --> 00:13:45.420 and we need to be very careful about how we deploy them and how we 00:13:45.860 --> 00:13:47.937 take responsibility for the actions of those systems. 00:13:48.020 --> 00:13:51.177 And so if the systems were to say something happens, malfunctions, whatever, 00:13:51.260 --> 00:13:53.887 you would be the first to say, all right, we take responsibility. 00:13:53.970 --> 00:13:55.897 Let's fix it. Let's figure it out for the next step. 00:13:55.980 --> 00:13:59.097 And I'll go a step further. I think that people have actually been building 00:13:59.180 --> 00:14:01.447 autonomous weapons systems for thousands of years. 00:14:01.530 --> 00:14:03.607 They haven't been powered by AI exactly, 00:14:03.690 --> 00:14:06.287 but you can go back 3000 years and find records 00:14:06.370 --> 00:14:09.550 of the Chinese building pit traps that were designed to let 00:14:10.050 --> 00:14:11.567 some soldiers walk over them, 00:14:11.650 --> 00:14:15.187 and then the heavier soldiers carrying armor or horses fall straight through. 00:14:15.270 --> 00:14:17.567 That is a weapons system that is making targeting decisions 00:14:17.650 --> 00:14:19.847 based on the intent of the engineer who created it. 00:14:19.930 --> 00:14:22.560 Is it using AI? No. But the real question is, 00:14:22.770 --> 00:14:25.567 are we comfortable with technological weapons that 00:14:25.650 --> 00:14:27.970 act independent of the immediate oversight? 00:14:28.250 --> 00:14:33.247 Of a person and the answer I think has to be yes, with the right restrictions, 00:14:33.330 --> 00:14:36.057 with the right accountability, and accountability, by the way, 00:14:36.140 --> 00:14:37.967 cannot be to corporate executives like me. 00:14:38.050 --> 00:14:40.327 It cannot be to executives who run AI companies. 00:14:40.410 --> 00:14:44.230 It needs to be to the people who elect civilian leadership 00:14:44.410 --> 00:14:47.487 that is tasked with overseeing the military and holding them accountable. 00:14:47.570 --> 00:14:50.727 No, we can't, we can't live in a world where corporate executives 00:14:50.810 --> 00:14:54.450 have more practical power and control over US. 00:14:54.810 --> 00:14:58.360 Foreign and US military policy than the President of the United States, 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.997 than the US Congress, and there are people who I think would love to see that. 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:03.877 -- I am not -- one of them. You don't want to be that. 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:06.957 You don't want to be the Pentagon's it guy making those decisions. 00:15:07.040 --> 00:15:10.437 I want to be their it guy for making their weapons, for making their tools, 00:15:10.520 --> 00:15:14.630 but I need to be kept on a short leash on a strong chain. 00:15:14.800 --> 00:15:16.517 I should. People come to me all the time. 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:18.790 Palmer, would you sell to this country? 00:15:19.040 --> 00:15:21.117 Would you allow your weapons to be used in this way or that? 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:23.457 That way, would you cut them off if they tried to do this? 00:15:23.540 --> 00:15:27.190 They say this is crazy. You're asking me if I as a corporate executive, 00:15:27.390 --> 00:15:31.060 should have the power to shut off parts of the US military 00:15:31.560 --> 00:15:34.117 unilaterally against the will of the president of the 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:36.347 United States or Congress or the people elected. 00:15:36.430 --> 00:15:40.994 Like that is a not a that is a dystopian future you should stay as far away from 00:15:41.078 --> 00:15:44.547 as possible. Even people who trust me, they shouldn't trust who comes after me. 00:15:44.630 --> 00:15:45.997 They shouldn't trust anybody else. 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:51.550 These have to remain. Again, in the realm of civilian elected leadership, 00:15:51.710 --> 00:15:55.340 people you can elect into power and that you can get out of power, 00:15:56.030 --> 00:15:59.427 nobody's figured out a way to have the American people vote me out of my role, 00:15:59.510 --> 00:16:01.347 so I better not be in charge of these decisions. 00:16:01.430 --> 00:16:03.947 But could you sell to another country if you wanted to? 00:16:04.030 --> 00:16:04.863 -- So -- I can. 00:16:05.740 --> 00:16:07.417 With the cooperation of the United States government, 00:16:07.500 --> 00:16:08.897 what a lot of people don't know is 00:16:08.980 --> 00:16:11.447 I'm actually very constricted in who I can sell to based 00:16:11.530 --> 00:16:13.617 -- on what you're building for the Department of Defense's -- right. 00:16:13.700 --> 00:16:16.537 I mean if I were to try to sell to North Korea, I'd go to prison. 00:16:16.620 --> 00:16:17.977 And then at the same time, 00:16:18.060 --> 00:16:21.760 there's countries that the United States government wants us to work with, 00:16:21.900 --> 00:16:24.700 sometimes for reasons that make a lot of sense publicly, 00:16:25.140 --> 00:16:28.417 sometimes for reasons people don't understand publicly, but you look back at, 00:16:28.500 --> 00:16:29.800 for example, the Cold War. 00:16:30.350 --> 00:16:33.637 There were times where people were really upset that the United States was 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.067 allowing US weapons companies to sell air defense systems to certain countries. 00:16:37.150 --> 00:16:39.587 They're saying, Why are you selling to these autocratic regimes? 00:16:39.670 --> 00:16:42.187 Why are you doing this? And then it comes out after the fact. 00:16:42.270 --> 00:16:45.317 It's because we secretly had nuclear weapons stationed on the airfields, 00:16:45.400 --> 00:16:48.161 and it was critical that we not allow the Russians to come in and steal those 00:16:48.244 --> 00:16:49.780 weapons. The point is, 00:16:50.150 --> 00:16:53.387 the public is not always going to have every piece of information, 00:16:53.470 --> 00:16:56.870 and sometimes they can't. But if you believe in democracy, 00:16:57.040 --> 00:16:59.037 if you believe in the American experiment, 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:01.477 and if you believe that this constitutional republic of ours, 00:17:01.560 --> 00:17:05.510 flawed as it might be, is a better way to run a government than corporatocracy, 00:17:05.800 --> 00:17:07.717 then it's kind of the trade that you have to make. 00:17:07.800 --> 00:17:10.477 -- What -- worries you more, Palmer, China's innovation 00:17:10.560 --> 00:17:14.477 or the red tape that sometimes we go through here in the US to get things done? 00:17:14.560 --> 00:17:18.357 Well, you know, there's an old joke, if you want to sabotage China's war machine, 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.690 just take the US procurement manual, stand. 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:25.180 Classified on it and they'll steal it and copy it in no time. 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:28.987 I, I, I think that it's both. I mean there's a lot of, 00:17:29.070 --> 00:17:30.920 there's a lot of problems with the US 00:17:31.070 --> 00:17:32.357 technology development and procurement systems. 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:35.877 Certainly our manufacturing supply chain is not nearly as advanced as China. 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:37.387 Look, I, I used to be part of the problem. 00:17:37.470 --> 00:17:40.627 I made millions of virtual reality headsets in China at my previous job, 00:17:40.710 --> 00:17:43.477 Oculus VR. I started a virtual reality company when I was 19 years old, 00:17:43.560 --> 00:17:47.510 sold to Facebook, worked on VR there for a few years before they fired me, and 00:17:47.690 --> 00:17:49.367 I've spent a lot of time. In China, 00:17:49.450 --> 00:17:52.000 I've had teams of hundreds of Chinese engineers. 00:17:52.280 --> 00:17:53.727 They know how to get stuff done. 00:17:53.810 --> 00:17:58.140 They are an incredible power. If I, if I had no national allegiance, I would be 00:17:58.290 --> 00:18:04.070 in Shenzhen, China for sure. It is the best place in the world to get stuff done 00:18:04.570 --> 00:18:07.770 very, very fast if you are an engineer with a clear vision. 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:09.660 Now there's advantages to the US. 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.157 Like there's certain things you can only build here. 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:14.087 There's certain things where the talent is only here. 00:18:14.170 --> 00:18:15.530 There's certainly a lot of. 00:18:15.690 --> 00:18:19.170 Capital available here in a way that is not available in China, 00:18:19.730 --> 00:18:21.990 but we cannot take them lightly. 00:18:22.250 --> 00:18:26.490 They are very, very good at making the things that we are bad at making, 00:18:26.730 --> 00:18:28.680 and until we're able to reverse that, 00:18:29.370 --> 00:18:30.567 we're going to be on the back foot. 00:18:30.650 --> 00:18:33.367 Do you feel like from what you heard with some of the leaders today, 00:18:33.450 --> 00:18:36.890 the local leaders, yes, Arsenal One is turning that tide. 00:18:37.130 --> 00:18:39.730 You've promised 4000 jobs in the next 10 years. 00:18:39.970 --> 00:18:42.570 You're partnering with our local schools, engineers. 00:18:42.700 --> 00:18:44.920 Schools are back. That's in business. 00:18:45.130 --> 00:18:48.420 Do you feel like you are building that arsenal of our workforce? 00:18:48.530 --> 00:18:51.487 I think so, and I think that that's going to be a mix of people that are doing 00:18:51.570 --> 00:18:55.450 traditional 4-year college programs, people doing 2-year degrees, 00:18:55.570 --> 00:18:59.087 even people doing things like 6 month work training programs right out of the garage. 00:18:59.170 --> 00:19:01.727 Well, look, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't graduate from college myself. 00:19:01.810 --> 00:19:04.590 I dropped out when I was 19 to start my first company. 00:19:05.050 --> 00:19:08.700 Andro doesn't require a college degree for any job in the entire company, 00:19:08.810 --> 00:19:12.410 any of them. Even our engineering roles and so the people who work here, 00:19:12.650 --> 00:19:15.477 there's going to be a mix of people who make different decisions about their life, 00:19:15.560 --> 00:19:16.407 about their career. 00:19:16.490 --> 00:19:19.597 We're going to have a place for all of those people as long as they want to work 00:19:19.681 --> 00:19:22.797 hard, work on problems that matter, and help us rebuild the arsenal. 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:24.567 -- So -- when you see all these people looking at you right now, like, 00:19:24.650 --> 00:19:29.830 do you feel like some responsibility, I mean, you are making generational change 00:19:29.970 --> 00:19:32.007 for some of them. I feel a lot of responsibility, 00:19:32.090 --> 00:19:36.050 and the thing that I remember every day is that Andal. 00:19:37.310 --> 00:19:38.560 Look, the people we hire, 00:19:39.430 --> 00:19:41.827 they're not, we're not their employer of last resort. 00:19:41.910 --> 00:19:45.057 Nobody is coming to work here because there are no other options, right? 00:19:45.140 --> 00:19:46.667 These are all smart people, motivated people. 00:19:46.750 --> 00:19:48.347 They could be starting their own companies. 00:19:48.430 --> 00:19:50.107 They could be going to work at big tech companies. 00:19:50.190 --> 00:19:52.480 They could be going to other startups. 00:19:52.990 --> 00:19:57.310 The fact that they're here means that they support our mission, and I need to. 00:19:57.650 --> 00:20:00.450 In turn, recognize that I can't take them for granted. 00:20:00.650 --> 00:20:02.127 These are people who have other options. 00:20:02.210 --> 00:20:04.370 I need to make this a great place to work. 00:20:04.570 --> 00:20:07.407 I need to make it a great way for them to support their families. 00:20:07.490 --> 00:20:10.367 I hope that people, when they eventually leave, 00:20:10.450 --> 00:20:13.127 because people probably aren't gonna work for us, you know, until they, 00:20:13.210 --> 00:20:14.860 until they keel over and die, uh, 00:20:15.330 --> 00:20:17.980 but I hope that when people eventually leave Anderal, 00:20:18.820 --> 00:20:22.510 they look back and say, wow, that was professionally fulfilling, 00:20:23.260 --> 00:20:26.650 uh, that was fiscally fulfilling, that was spiritually fulfilling. 00:20:27.150 --> 00:20:31.467 It was the most fulfilling role that I could have had in this time in my life, 00:20:31.550 --> 00:20:32.437 -- and I think that we're -- doing that. 00:20:32.520 --> 00:20:34.367 I want to talk about the AI Grand Prix real quickly. 00:20:34.450 --> 00:20:36.550 Let's do it. I mean, that's so exciting. 00:20:36.660 --> 00:20:39.870 No one's done it, and you said that's why I'm going to do it. 00:20:40.070 --> 00:20:44.610 That's right. So the AI Grand Prix is a competition that we just launched 00:20:45.550 --> 00:20:46.383 that. 00:20:47.260 --> 00:20:50.960 Is primarily targeted at people who want 00:20:51.140 --> 00:20:55.457 to be working on the latest cutting edge autonomy technology, so most, 00:20:55.540 --> 00:20:57.657 it's a drone race, but unlike moon drones, 00:20:57.740 --> 00:21:01.257 most drone races which focus on how well you can be a joystick jockey, you're, 00:21:01.340 --> 00:21:04.140 you know, how fast can I react, how well can I pilot it. 00:21:04.320 --> 00:21:07.677 It instead focuses on how well you can program the brain of a drone, 00:21:07.760 --> 00:21:10.390 so everybody gets the same drone, all of the teams, 00:21:10.560 --> 00:21:12.437 and then they are building their own 00:21:12.520 --> 00:21:14.887 control algorithms and control schemes that are 00:21:14.970 --> 00:21:18.407 going to pilot these drones through an obstacle course as quickly as possible. 00:21:18.490 --> 00:21:21.827 So it's not about reaction time, it's not about how good you are with a joystick, 00:21:21.910 --> 00:21:25.517 it's about how good you are at typing on the computer, how good are you at coding. 00:21:25.600 --> 00:21:30.860 In the first day we opened, we had over 1000 teams enter the AI Grand Prix. 00:21:31.040 --> 00:21:33.340 -- It's -- almost like you're recruiting tool. 00:21:34.090 --> 00:21:36.067 it. It actually literally is a recruiting tool. 00:21:36.150 --> 00:21:38.027 In fact, the the the the winning prize, 00:21:38.110 --> 00:21:42.307 not only do we have a prize pool where you can win hundreds of thousands of dollars, 00:21:42.390 --> 00:21:44.800 we are also offering jobs to the winning team. 00:21:44.910 --> 00:21:49.420 So if you, if you win, you get cash and a job at Anderal if you want it. 00:21:49.670 --> 00:21:56.290 I'm curious, Palmer, what was the aha moment for you where your focus from 00:21:56.430 --> 00:22:01.190 Oculus to defense came? What, what made you say that's it? 00:22:01.800 --> 00:22:05.450 You know, I've been interested in national security for a very long time. 00:22:05.600 --> 00:22:07.517 My grandfather was not in the military, 00:22:07.600 --> 00:22:11.197 but he was a civilian operator who helped move equipment for the Air Force, 00:22:11.280 --> 00:22:13.280 including during Operation Desert Storm. 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:17.157 He has a letter from the Secretary of the Air Force thanking him for his help during 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:18.997 Desert Storm, that he's passed away now, 00:22:19.080 --> 00:22:22.700 but I keep it in a frame in my home office. 00:22:23.900 --> 00:22:26.797 And North Star. Yeah, I've been interested in this for a very long time. 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:28.197 My grandpa is one of my heroes. 00:22:28.280 --> 00:22:29.800 I named my son after him. 00:22:30.890 --> 00:22:32.567 But even, even before I started Oculus, 00:22:32.650 --> 00:22:36.990 I worked in an Army affiliate research center on a program using virtual reality 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:40.490 exposure therapy to treat veterans with PTSD, and that was, 00:22:40.970 --> 00:22:44.487 that was something else that got me very interested in how you can use technology 00:22:44.570 --> 00:22:46.470 to help the men and women 00:22:46.850 --> 00:22:50.256 that are on the front lines of these fights who are coming back with real 00:22:50.340 --> 00:22:53.290 injuries, sometimes obvious, sometimes less obvious. 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:55.470 And then I went into, you know, 00:22:55.560 --> 00:22:58.477 Oculus and building basically gaming and entertainment tools. 00:22:58.560 --> 00:22:59.610 I guess you could say 00:22:59.780 --> 00:23:03.971 Anderal is not so much a pivot into something new for me as a return to where 00:23:04.055 --> 00:23:04.627 I started. 00:23:04.710 --> 00:23:08.347 So I've loved the last 8 or 9 years that I've spent working on these problems. 00:23:08.430 --> 00:23:10.687 I think they're some of the most important problems out there. 00:23:10.770 --> 00:23:12.847 I think that there's not nearly enough people working on them, 00:23:12.930 --> 00:23:16.247 and if people don't work for me, I hope they work on these problems 00:23:16.330 --> 00:23:17.807 somewhere else, because again, 00:23:17.890 --> 00:23:20.167 they're some of the most important problems we face, 00:23:20.250 --> 00:23:24.047 and you can't wait until a war starts to start solving these problems, 00:23:24.130 --> 00:23:24.963 because again, 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:28.917 You want to build tools that stop the war from starting, not winning, 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:32.670 and if you wait till the war starts to start working on these problems, 00:23:33.180 --> 00:23:35.680 you're just part of the killing, not the stopping. 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:39.767 You think we can catch up because I feel like we got complacent a little while. 00:23:39.850 --> 00:23:41.917 -- So -- there's two things that you should keep in mind. 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.677 One is that I'm very optimistic that we can catch up in the areas 00:23:45.760 --> 00:23:49.147 where the where the American manufacturing side is behind supply chain. 00:23:49.230 --> 00:23:53.060 I believe we can catch up. But just as important as that is that 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:54.637 there are people out there who think I'm wrong. 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:56.627 There's people who think that we have to give up, 00:23:56.710 --> 00:24:00.260 that we should just give Taiwan to China, that we should just let China 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:04.690 basically economically and politically dominate the world because, it's too late. 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:06.040 And my point to them. 00:24:06.830 --> 00:24:11.067 Is that the United States needs people like me who don't believe that. 00:24:11.150 --> 00:24:14.170 You have to have people who believe that it's not too late, 00:24:14.350 --> 00:24:17.610 because the moment that you stop believing it, you've truly lost. 00:24:17.750 --> 00:24:21.050 And so there's people out there, smart people who think I'm wrong. 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:27.150 And my point to them is that even if I end up being wrong, thank goodness there's me 00:24:27.370 --> 00:24:30.557 and all of these people who think we still have a chance, 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:31.767 and we're not going to give up. 00:24:31.850 --> 00:24:34.527 What do you think your grandfather would say to all this? 00:24:34.610 --> 00:24:36.960 I think he would be really proud. 00:24:37.250 --> 00:24:40.960 He was a United Airlines pilot for about 45 years. 00:24:41.250 --> 00:24:42.390 He taught me. 00:24:43.350 --> 00:24:46.400 So many of the things that I've used to build my businesses, 00:24:46.710 --> 00:24:49.220 and unfortunately he passed away uh 00:24:49.870 --> 00:24:52.290 right around the time that I launched the first 00:24:52.910 --> 00:24:57.550 Oculus VR consumer headset. So very shortly before he passed, 00:24:57.750 --> 00:25:01.950 he was able to use one of our first systems off of the factory line 00:25:02.310 --> 00:25:04.570 and uh that was, that was, that was, 00:25:04.870 --> 00:25:07.037 that was something that he really appreciated that he, that he, 00:25:07.120 --> 00:25:11.170 that he was able to, to make it to that, but I think he'd, I think he'd have, uh, 00:25:11.670 --> 00:25:14.660 I think he'd say something like, I'm proud of you. 00:25:16.460 --> 00:25:20.037 Everybody has a, everybody has a, has a part in solving these problems, 00:25:20.120 --> 00:25:22.370 whether you're in the military or a civilian. 00:25:23.290 --> 00:25:26.590 You've been described by every word that you can think of, right? 00:25:26.740 --> 00:25:32.810 Eccentric, the Pentagon's it guy, um, he's out there, Hawaiian shirt guy, whatever. 00:25:33.010 --> 00:25:34.710 How would you describe yourself? 00:25:35.490 --> 00:25:38.520 I would describe myself as a singular individual. 00:25:38.860 --> 00:25:41.440 I am what I choose to be and nothing else. 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:46.697 I, I, I think that people really can be what they decide to be, 00:25:46.780 --> 00:25:48.657 even if it takes them a while to get there. 00:25:48.740 --> 00:25:52.040 And the most annoying thing is when people have contradictory 00:25:53.100 --> 00:25:54.500 impressions of me. You know, 00:25:55.180 --> 00:25:58.177 there was a time where you had some people saying Palmer is anti-Semitic, 00:25:58.260 --> 00:26:01.817 and then the other side saying Palmer Luckey is is is you know, 00:26:01.900 --> 00:26:03.917 is this horrible Zionist who loves the Jews. 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:04.833 I'm like. 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:06.517 I mean, without even taking a position on you, why, 00:26:06.600 --> 00:26:07.947 why can't you guys just agree on what I am? 00:26:08.030 --> 00:26:11.397 It's like calling me fat and skinny at the same time, you know, pick, pick, pick, 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.237 pick, pick an insult, um, but yeah, if I could describe, 00:26:14.320 --> 00:26:19.530 if I could describe myself, I, I am, I am me, I'm a technology entrepreneur, uh. 00:26:20.450 --> 00:26:23.807 You know what I really like to say, uh, my dad used to say growing up, 00:26:23.890 --> 00:26:28.200 think like a problem solver, not a problem creator, because if you're really smart, 00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:30.727 you can come up with a million reasons to not do something. 00:26:30.810 --> 00:26:34.200 You come up with a million problems as to that can't be solved, 00:26:34.490 --> 00:26:39.410 and I'd say if I could describe myself in one way, Palmer Luckey, problem solver, 00:26:39.760 --> 00:26:41.970 not problem creator. I love that. 00:26:42.090 --> 00:26:44.140 -- I love -- that. Yeah, I like that too. 00:26:44.290 --> 00:26:46.387 -- Let's -- put that on a bumper sticker for you. 00:26:46.470 --> 00:26:47.670 Um, you're back at Meta. 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:50.937 That's right. No, well, I'm, yeah, I'm working with Meta again. 00:26:51.020 --> 00:26:52.620 I mean, how does that, which is, 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:54.517 look, -- it's -- kind of -- full -- circle. 00:26:54.600 --> 00:26:56.327 So there's a few things. Look, this is a long, 00:26:56.410 --> 00:26:59.000 complicated narrative that I don't think any of, 00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:01.440 any of your viewers particularly care about, 00:27:01.600 --> 00:27:05.240 but the short version is I gave $9000 to the wrong politician, 00:27:05.840 --> 00:27:09.900 ended up getting fired, and I was real sore about that for a very long time. 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:11.100 But at this point, 00:27:11.280 --> 00:27:15.520 Facebook executives recently apologized for what they said about me. 00:27:15.790 --> 00:27:16.623 They 00:27:16.710 --> 00:27:18.750 they they say they love working with me, 00:27:18.910 --> 00:27:22.241 that none of the people who are responsible for my firing are still at 00:27:22.325 --> 00:27:25.257 the company, and so it becomes a ship of Theseus problem, right? 00:27:25.340 --> 00:27:27.027 You know, you have a ship, it's traveling over time. 00:27:27.110 --> 00:27:29.507 If you replace every part of the ship over 00:27:29.590 --> 00:27:32.747 time such that none of the original components there, is it the same ship, 00:27:32.830 --> 00:27:34.630 that's kind of how I feel with Meta. 00:27:34.830 --> 00:27:37.387 The people who got me fired, they're not there anymore. 00:27:37.470 --> 00:27:40.470 It's been a decade since they fired me. 00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:44.780 And so at some point you have to ask yourself, what are you even angry at? 00:27:44.940 --> 00:27:49.630 Am I angry at, you know, Meta LLC, a Delaware corporation, 00:27:49.990 --> 00:27:52.707 or am I mad at individuals who are 00:27:52.790 --> 00:27:55.227 not even associated with that organization anymore? 00:27:55.310 --> 00:27:57.057 And I've, I've come to the conclusion. 00:27:57.140 --> 00:28:02.690 It's more the latter, and I need to work with Meta for national security purposes. 00:28:02.970 --> 00:28:04.437 It's actually been really fantastic. 00:28:04.520 --> 00:28:05.927 We've been working together to take some of 00:28:06.010 --> 00:28:09.510 Meta's technology that they've spent billions of dollars developing 00:28:09.650 --> 00:28:13.137 and applying it to the United States Army's problems, to the United States. 00:28:13.220 --> 00:28:15.257 It's Air Force's problems and the Marine Corps problem, 00:28:15.340 --> 00:28:17.657 and so I think we're we actually have a great partnership where 00:28:17.740 --> 00:28:19.097 they're building incredible technology, 00:28:19.180 --> 00:28:23.360 some of it based on technology that I sold them a decade ago, and I'm the one 00:28:23.740 --> 00:28:27.857 that they're working with to bring that to our warfighters, and I, I, 00:28:27.940 --> 00:28:31.490 I think that's fantastic. And I'll end this rant by saying 00:28:31.790 --> 00:28:36.850 it would be really lame of me to compromise US national security 00:28:37.150 --> 00:28:39.467 because I might have a beef or feel 00:28:39.550 --> 00:28:42.110 uncomfortable working with a company that fired me. 00:28:42.230 --> 00:28:45.850 If they're the best company to be helping the Department of War, 00:28:46.230 --> 00:28:47.580 then I need to get over it. 00:28:48.110 --> 00:28:50.627 Don't want to trip over dollars to pick up pennies, so to speak, right? 00:28:50.710 --> 00:28:51.543 That's right. 00:28:52.210 --> 00:28:57.570 Question, if Arsenal one, as you look at all this works exactly as you envision, 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:02.010 I know you said building the arsenal is a good deterrent for America, 00:29:02.130 --> 00:29:05.990 but if this arsenal one here in Pickaway County works as you envision, 00:29:06.650 --> 00:29:10.920 does it make the world safer or just more efficiently dangerous? 00:29:11.050 --> 00:29:12.380 I think it makes it safer. 00:29:13.280 --> 00:29:18.850 If, if you look at the last few decades, post-Cold War, we've seen that 00:29:19.120 --> 00:29:22.540 deterrence on the nuclear side and on the conventional side 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.357 is a pretty powerful effect. I might end up being wrong in the long run, 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:30.160 but typically the worst wars are the ones that are fought 00:29:30.360 --> 00:29:33.700 when one side or another believes that it can win and believes 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:35.540 that winning will be easy. 00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:38.860 I can't make it where war is impossible, 00:29:39.060 --> 00:29:41.819 but I can definitely make it where everyone agrees it is not going to be 00:29:41.903 --> 00:29:46.970 easy. And in a war where the, sorry, in a world where the cost of war is high, 00:29:47.180 --> 00:29:51.337 you're going to see less warfare on the part of rational superpowers. 00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:55.017 Now again, there's going to be crazy people who win by dying, 00:29:55.100 --> 00:29:57.820 and you can't fight that. You can't fight that. 00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:02.097 And so the United States could have 10,000 fighter jets in reserve. 00:30:02.180 --> 00:30:05.840 And a 1000 ship navy, that's not going to convince the guy 00:30:06.060 --> 00:30:11.200 who honestly wants to get toasted in his in his uh in his crusade against you, 00:30:11.600 --> 00:30:15.077 but it'll certainly stop the people who want to have a functional economy 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:19.110 and a functional society and a place in in in the world order. 00:30:19.380 --> 00:30:22.440 Do you have a what's next? Do I have a what's next? 00:30:22.950 --> 00:30:25.547 I mean we've got a whole bunch of what's next actually. 00:30:25.630 --> 00:30:29.580 We've got some classified secure space over there where we're gonna be building 00:30:29.830 --> 00:30:33.587 another system that is the what's next for Anderal, so I can't talk about it today, 00:30:33.670 --> 00:30:35.590 but we've got a lot of what's next, 00:30:36.580 --> 00:30:38.067 including here at Arsenal One. 00:30:38.150 --> 00:30:39.787 What about what's next after Andreel? 00:30:39.870 --> 00:30:40.970 Do you see life after? 00:30:42.070 --> 00:30:46.427 You know, I have to remind people that I'm not a serial entrepreneur by choice, 00:30:46.510 --> 00:30:48.890 right? I started Oculus when I was a teenager. 00:30:49.450 --> 00:30:51.877 I would have stayed there for the rest of my life. 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.397 I really loved working on virtual reality technology. 00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:58.300 I think I would have probably worked on VR technology with military 00:30:59.030 --> 00:31:02.037 applications, and I think I would have done some more of that, 00:31:02.120 --> 00:31:04.590 gotten back into that, but I love what I'm doing. 00:31:05.050 --> 00:31:06.920 These are very interesting problems. 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:09.557 The need for it is really great. 00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.100 There's very few. Areas where you can directly 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.597 save lives and you can see it and you can meet the 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.930 people whose lives you saved as a result of your work. 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.020 This is one of them. It's extremely rewarding personally. 00:31:22.320 --> 00:31:25.620 I've got enough money that I can work on whatever I want, so look, 00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:28.437 maybe there will be something else that I want to tackle at some point, 00:31:28.520 --> 00:31:31.360 but right now my top priority is definitely and I. 00:31:31.450 --> 00:31:32.327 I have a couple of side projects. 00:31:32.410 --> 00:31:33.360 I, I, I have a, 00:31:33.450 --> 00:31:37.120 I have a cheesecake ice cream burrito company that I have a stake in. 00:31:37.410 --> 00:31:39.990 I, I, I have a side project building, uh, 00:31:40.120 --> 00:31:43.070 extremely high-end tributes to the Nintendo Game Boy Color, 00:31:43.210 --> 00:31:46.627 basically very high-end hardware clones that play Game Boy Color games, but 00:31:46.710 --> 00:31:49.037 99% of my effort is going into making 00:31:49.120 --> 00:31:52.310 sure that America remains the world's preeminent superpower. 00:31:53.210 --> 00:31:56.830 Do you think you see things differently now as a father? 00:31:58.220 --> 00:31:59.900 Hm, that's an interesting one. 00:32:00.870 --> 00:32:04.410 I think, look, my, my, my kid's 18 months old, so he's pretty new. 00:32:05.300 --> 00:32:07.120 I would say not yet, 00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:11.017 but that also might be because I've been planning on having kids for a long time. 00:32:11.100 --> 00:32:14.977 Me and my wife have been together since we were 15, so like we've been together like 00:32:15.060 --> 00:32:17.640 18 years now, and so uh. 00:32:18.560 --> 00:32:23.020 I'd say I think a lot of the mind shifts, the the the the shift in mindset 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:25.880 came when I decided that I was going to be a dad, 00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:28.700 when I was going to definitely have kids, 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:32.417 and that the act of actually having the kid, it reinforces it a little bit, 00:32:32.500 --> 00:32:35.517 but you know some people say, oh my God, everything changed when you had the kid, 00:32:35.600 --> 00:32:37.757 but I'm like, nope, I still feel the same way. 00:32:37.840 --> 00:32:40.357 I need to make sure that I build a good place for kids. 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:42.117 I want to make sure that they're not growing up 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:44.240 in a place where they're going to be. 00:32:44.630 --> 00:32:48.680 In danger or terrified or second class citizens in a global economy. 00:32:48.950 --> 00:32:51.787 Now Palmer ended our conversation saying he would love 00:32:51.870 --> 00:32:54.900 to bring Baby Freeman out to see Arsenal One 00:32:55.100 --> 00:32:58.107 and that he's also considering buying a house in central Ohio. 00:32:58.190 --> 00:33:00.227 So it's clear Palmer Luckey is not only 00:33:00.310 --> 00:33:04.490 investing in our state from a business standpoint but also personal 00:33:04.670 --> 00:33:08.650 and protecting the ones he loves are why rebuilding the arsenal for him 00:33:09.070 --> 00:33:10.590 is mission number one. 00:33:11.390 --> 00:33:15.030 Thanks so much for watching this special presentation of 10 TV Plus. 00:33:15.270 --> 00:33:17.230 I'm Angela Ann. I'll see you around.