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Elon Musk on AI: humans will no longer be in control in ten years | The Economist

By: The Economist
Length: 11 min
Language: English
Text from: the video's captions
Transcribed: 13 October 2026

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Summary

In this short interview with The Economist, Elon Musk predicts AI will exceed the sum of human intelligence in roughly five years and expects an age of "amazing abundance" within a decade, while conceding humans are unlikely to remain in control. He says he has accepted AI's momentum as unstoppable, even though he once tried to slow it by creating OpenAI as a counterweight to Google. He proposes that leading AI companies hold regular calls, give each other early access to review new models, and only involve government when a company fails to address a flagged risk.

Key points

Musk guesses AI will exceed the sum of human intelligence in roughly 5 years.
He predicts an age of "amazing abundance" by 2036, barring a global thermonuclear war.
He thinks it is unlikely humans will be in control in 10 years, likening it to chimpanzees being in charge.
He still sees non-zero risk from AI and robots but says the momentum is unstoppable and even a stop button probably shouldn't be pressed.
He created OpenAI as a counterweight to Google, but says this and Anthropic's spin-out accidentally accelerated AI.
He proposes leading AI companies hold weekly or bi-weekly safety calls and give competitors one to two weeks of early access to review new models.
Government should step in only when a company fails to address a risk flagged by competitors.
He criticises Sam Altman over OpenAI's shift from nonprofit to an $800 billion for-profit, but praises Dario Amodei as principled.

Questions it answers

00:00AI timeline and abundance

When will AI surpass humans and what happens then?

Musk guesses AI will exceed the sum of human intelligence in around five years, after which there will be little AI can't do better than humans apart from being human. Assuming no World War III, he expects an age of amazing abundance where anyone can have anything they can think of.

Musk guesses AI exceeds the sum of human intelligence in roughly 5 years.
He expects an age of amazing abundance by 2036, barring World War III.
He sees no way to stop AI's momentum and thinks even a stop button probably shouldn't be pressed.

00:59Human control and existential risk

Will humans still be in control in ten years?

Musk thinks it is unlikely, comparing the situation to chimpanzees being in charge if the intelligence gap were reversed. He still sees non-zero risk from AI and robots but has concluded philosophically to look on the bright side and enjoy the ride.

He thinks it is unlikely humans remain in control once AI is vastly smarter.
He compares the human-AI gap to the chimp-human intelligence gap.
His philosophy is now to enjoy the ride and minimise the probability of a bad outcome.

02:35Risk odds and inevitability

Does he still worry about killer robots ending humanity?

He acknowledges the risk is not zero but says he cannot see any way to stop AI's momentum, and even if there were a stop button, he thinks they probably shouldn't press it because the most likely outcome is abundance for all. He adds that since the universe ends in heat death, it is all about the journey.

He no longer sees a way to stop AI and robots.
He notes the heat death of the universe means the destination is terrible anyway.
His stated aim is to minimise the probability of a bad outcome.

04:31OpenAI origins and acceleration

How did Musk's own actions affect AI development?

Musk says he long declined to participate in AI and created OpenAI as a counterweight to Google's near-monopoly. He notes OpenAI's creation and Anthropic's spin-out actually accelerated AI, which wasn't his intention, so he concluded all roads lead to acceleration and decided to join the club.

He created OpenAI as a counterweight to Google's AI monopoly.
Anthropic spun out of OpenAI and is now the leader in AI.
He concludes all roads lead to acceleration of AI.

05:30Competitor safety calls

What does Musk propose for AI safety oversight?

He recommends leading AI companies hold informal weekly or bi-weekly calls to discuss safety and security issues, with competitors getting a week or two of early access to review new models. Government should step in only if a company fails to address a risk its competitors flag.

He recommends leading AI companies meet or call every few weeks on safety.
Competitors should get one to two weeks of early access to review new models.
Government steps in only if a flagged risk goes unaddressed.

07:00Why competitors can police each other

Why should rival AI companies check each other's models?

Musk argues government officials without deep technical understanding can't judge whether something should be released, whereas competitors can spot security risks and have an incentive to keep each other honest. He says this should happen immediately, noting six months is a long time given multiple AI breakthrough announcements per day.

Competitors have the technical depth and incentive to flag each other's risks.
Government lacks the technical understanding to judge model releases.
Musk says the system should be set up immediately, not in six months.

08:27Personal feuds and willingness to talk

Can rival AI leaders cooperate despite disliking each other?

Musk says yes: he criticises Sam Altman for turning a nonprofit, open-source, world-owned company into an $800 billion closed-source for-profit, and notes Anthropic exists because its team didn't trust Altman. He calls Dario Amodei principled and well-intentioned, and says if they have to talk, they'll set aside personal differences for the good of the world.

Musk criticises Sam Altman over OpenAI's shift from nonprofit to $800 billion for-profit.
He says Anthropic exists because its founders didn't trust Sam Altman.
He praises Dario Amodei as principled and says no one at Anthropic set off his "evil detector".

Notes

Predictions

Musk guesses AI will exceed the sum of human intelligence in roughly 5 years.
After that, there won't be much AI can't do better than humans, apart from being human.
Assuming no World War III, he expects an age of "amazing abundance" by 2036, where anyone can have anything they can think of.
He thinks it is unlikely humans will be in control in 10 years, comparing the situation to chimpanzees being in charge if the intelligence gap were reversed.

On risk and inevitability

He still sees non-zero risk from AI and robots, including his earlier 10-20% estimate of killer robots wiping out humanity.
He has concluded he cannot stop AI's momentum, and even if there were a stop button, it probably shouldn't be pressed because abundance is the most likely outcome.
His philosophy: "let's enjoy the ride" and minimise the probability of a bad outcome.
He notes the universe ends in heat death, so "it really is all about the journey."

His own role in acceleration

Musk long declined to participate in AI, then created OpenAI as a counterweight to Google's near-monopoly.
Anthropic spun out of OpenAI and is, in his words, currently the leader in AI.
These actions accelerated AI, which wasn't his intention; he concludes "all roads lead to acceleration of AI" and decided to join the club.

Proposed safety mechanism

Leading AI companies should meet or have a call once every few weeks (weekly or bi-weekly) to discuss safety and security issues.
Competitors should get one to two weeks of early access to review a new model before release.
Competitors have the technical depth and the incentive to keep each other honest, unlike government officials without frontier expertise.
Government should step in only if a company fails to address a risk flagged by competitors — which he says is literally what occurred with his model.
This should be set up immediately; six months is a long time given multiple AI breakthrough announcements per day.

Personal dynamics

Musk criticises Sam Altman for turning a nonprofit, open-source, world-owned company into an $800 billion closed-source for-profit.
He says Anthropic exists because its founders didn't trust Sam Altman, and calls Dario Amodei a principled person who cares about the future of the world.
No one he has met at Anthropic "set off my evil detector," though he warns against complacency since the road to hell is mostly paved with bad intentions.
He is willing to set aside personal differences and talk "for the good of the world."

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