Anthropic CEO speaks about 'powerful' AI risks and regulation

00:30$350 BILLION. BUT TONIGHT, HE'S $350 BILLION. BUT TONIGHT, HE'S OUT WITH A NEW SYMBOL WHICH OUT WITH A NEW SYMBOL WHICH WILL TEST WHO WE ARE AS A WILL TEST WHO WE ARE AS A SPECIES. HUMANITY IS ABOUT TO SPECIES. HUMANITY IS ABOUT TO BE HANDED ALMOST. BE HANDED ALMOST. POWER, AND IT IS DEEPLY UNCLEAR POWER, AND IT IS DEEPLY UNCLEAR WHETHER OUR SOCIAL POLITICAL WHETHER OUR SOCIAL POLITICAL INVITE EVERYONE TO READ THTHE >> WELL, I SUPPOSE IT WOULD BE. HOW. IT? HOW DID YOU HOW. IT? HOW DID YOU EVOLVE? HOW DID YOU? EVOLVE? HOW DID YOU? >> YOU WRITE? WE ARE >> YOU WRITE? WE ARE CONSIDERABLY CLOSER TO A REAL CONSIDERABLY CLOSER TO A REAL DANGER IN 2026 THAN WE WERE IN DANGER IN 2026 THAN WE WERE IN 2023. WHAT YOU ENOUGH

Why write the essay now

01:212023. WHAT YOU ENOUGH TO PEN THIS ESSAY NOW? TO PEN THIS ESSAY NOW? >> YEAH. SO FIRSTLY, REALLY >> YEAH. SO FIRSTLY, REALLY SEEMED TO FIT THE SITUATION SEEMED TO FIT THE SITUATION WE'RE IN WITH AI WHERE, YOU WE'RE IN WITH AI WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS. WE'RE KNOW, WE HAVE THIS. WE'RE STARTING TO GET THESE IMMENSE STARTING TO GET THESE IMMENSE POWERS WITH AI, BUT LIKE A, YOU POWERS WITH AI, BUT LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A KIND OF TEENAGER WHERE KNOW, A KIND OF TEENAGER WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THESE NEW POWERS YOU HAVE ALL THESE NEW POWERS AND ABILITIES, MENTAL AND AND ABILITIES, MENTAL AND PHYSICAL, YOU KNOW, YOU PHYSICAL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVEN'T NECESSARILY ADAPTED TO HAVEN'T NECESSARILY ADAPTED TO THEM YET. AND THREE, FOR A LONG

Amodei's background and AI's growth

02:06THEM YET. AND THREE, FOR A LONG TIME I WAS AT GOOGLE. I WAS AT, TIME I WAS AT GOOGLE. I WAS AT, YOU KNOW, I LED RESEARCH AT YOU KNOW, I LED RESEARCH AT OPENAI FOR SEVERAL YEARS. SO OPENAI FOR SEVERAL YEARS. SO I'VE SEEN. OF THE I'VE SEEN. OF THE COMPANIES THAT ARE LEADING IN COMPANIES THAT ARE LEADING IN THE AI SPACE NOW, AND I'VE BEEN THE AI SPACE NOW, AND I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING AI NOTICED IS THTHAT FOLLOWING AI NOTICED IS THAT THE COGNITIVE ABILITIES OF THE COGNITIVE ABILITIES OF THESE AI SYSTEMS WOULD GROW THESE AI SYSTEMS WOULD GROW YEAR YEAR. IN THE 90S, YEAR YEAR. IN THE 90S, WE HAD SOMETHING CALLED MOORE'S WE HAD SOMETHING CALLED MOORE'S LAW, WHICH MEANT CHIPS G GOT DAY LAW, WHICH MEANT CHIPS GOT DAY AFTER DAY, YEAR AFTER YEAR. AND,

02:49AFTER DAY, YEAR AFTER YEAR. AND, YOU KNOW, IN THAT TIME FROM YOU KNOW, IN THAT TIME FROM 2023 TO 2026, GONE FROM 2023 TO 2026, GONE FROM MAYBE THE MODELS BEING LIKE A, MAYBE THE MODELS BEING LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A THE POTENTIAL OF YOU KNOW, A THE POTENTIAL OF WHAT THE MODELS CAN DO IS, WHAT THE MODELS CAN DO IS, IS INCREDIBLE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE IS INCREDIBLE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING TO WORK W WITH STARTING TO WORK WITH PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES. PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES.. >> I WRITE THIS RIGHT. IT'S 40 >> I WRITE THIS RIGHT. IT'S 40 PAGES. IT'S PRETTY DENSESE AT PAGES. IT'S PRETTY DENSE AT TIMES. IT'S SCARY. AT TIMES. IT'S SCARY. AT TIMES IT'S HOPEFUL. AT TIMES TIMES IT'S HOPEFUL. AT TIMES IT'S EMPOWERING. I MEAN, IT'S SA

03:47IT'S EMPOWERING. I MEAN, IT'S A FASCINATING. FASCININATING. >> THE ACTUAL WRITING IS MINE. >> THE ACTUAL WRITING G IS MINE. SO I DON'T THINK IS QUITE GOOD SO I DON'T THINK IS QUITE GOOD ENOUGH YET TO TO WRITE THE ENOUGH YET TO TO WRITE THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE I, WHOLE, THE WHOLE I, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY USED IT YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY USED IT TO, TO IMPROVE MY IDEAS. SO TO, TO IMPROVE MY IDEAS. SO YEAH. SO, IN TERMS OF, YEAH. SO, IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF WHAT INSPIRED ME, I IN TERMS OF WHAT INSPIRED ME, I THINK THE FACT THE CODE AND YOU THINK THE FACT THE CODE AND YOU KNOW, I EDITED OR I LOOK IT KNOW, I EDITED OR I LOOK IT OVER AND OF COURSE, AT OVER AND OF COURSE, AT ANTHROPIC WRITING CODE MEANS

04:33ANTHROPIC WRITING CODE MEANS DESIGNING THE VERSION OF DESIGNING THE VERSION OF ITSELF. SO WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE ITSELF. SO WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE CLAUDE. IT'S INCREDIBLE WHAT WE CLAUDE. IT'S INCREDIBLE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE WORLD, B BUT ALO CAN DO WITH THE WORLD, BUT ALSO IT'S REALLY SPEEDING UP A LOT. IT'S REALLY SPEEDING UP A LOT. AND I'M, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT AND I'M, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT >> YEAH. DARIO, I WANT TO DIG A >> YEAH. DARIO, I WANT TO DIG A LITTLE DEEPER. LITTLE D DEEPER. >> INTO THE AUTONOMY RISKS. >> INTO THE AUTONOMY RISKS. RIGHT. COULDLD THE AI DOMINATE RIGHT. COULD THE AI DOMINATE THE SUPERIOR THE SUPERIOR WEAPONS? NUMBER TWO MISUSE FOR WEAPONS? NUMBER TWO MISUSE FOR DESTRUCTION BEFORE ECONOMIC

The five AI risks

05:32DESTRUCTION BEFORE ECONOMIC DISRUPTION AND ENSUING DISRUPTION AND ENSUING UNEMPLOYMENT,. UNEMPLOYMENT,. HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. AND NUMBER HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. AND NUMBER FIVE, THE INDIRECT EFFECTSTS OF FIVE, THE INDIRECT EFFECTS OF RAPID. RAPIPID. >> THE REALITIES. >> THE REALITIES. >> YEAH. SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE >> YEAH. SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE SAID WITH WITH ALL OF THESE AND SAID WITH WITH ALL OF THESE AND I SAY YOU I SAY YOU KNOW, OUR VIEW INTO THE FUTURE KNOW, OUR VIEW INTO THE FUTURE IS VERY CLOUDY. I THINK THERE'S IS VERY CLOUDY. I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN WRITING UP A DOCUMENT VALUE IN WRITING UP A DOCUMENT THAT DOESN'T SAY WE'RE DOOMED. THAT DOESN'T SAY WE'RE DOOMED. ALL THESE FIVE TERRIBLE THINGS

06:14ALL THESE FIVE TERRIBLE THINGS ARE GOING BUT THESE ARE GOING BUT THESE ARE SOME POSSIBILITIES. YOU ARE SOME POSSIBILITIES. YOU COULD THINK OF IT LIKE A THREAT. COULD THINK OF IT LIKE A THREAT. AND AND SO WE NEED TO BE AND AND SO WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THEM. AND YEAH, PREPARED FOR THEM. AND YEAH, THE IDEA THAT AI MODELELS MIGHT THE IDEA THAT AI MODELS MIGHT HAVE MOTIVATIONS THAT, YOU HAVE MOTIVATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DON'T TRUST, THAT KNOW, THAT WE DON'T TRUST, THAT AREN'T THAT AREN'T ALIGNED WITH AREN'T THAT AREN'T ALIGNED WITH HUMANITY. THERE'E'S SOMETHING HUMANITY. THERE'S SOMETHTHING ABOUT THE WAY WE MAKE AI MODELS. ABOUT THE WAY WE MAKE AI MODELS. IT'S LESS LIKE PROGRAMING A IT'S LESS LIKE PROGRAMING A COMPUTER. IT'S MORE LIKE A PLANT

07:10COMPUTER. IT'S MORE LIKE A PLANT AND SO THERE IS SOME AMOUNT AND SO THERE IS SOME AMOUNT THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE SERIOUSLY THE PROBLEM OF WORK, T SERIOUSLY THE PROBLEM OF WORK, T SEEING WHAT MIGHT GO WRONG. SEEING WHAT MIGHT GO WRONG. >> IN PART, IT SOUNDS LIKE >> IN PART, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT MAYBE SOME YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT MAYBE SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES WHO RUN OF YOUR COLLEAGUES WHO RUN THESE COMPANIES, THESE COMPANIES, RIGHT? THERE'S A HANDFUL OF RIGHT? THERE'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE RIGHT NOWOW THAT ARE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE LEADADING THE REVOLUTION ABOUT LEADING THE REVOLUTION ABOUT THEIR STOCK PRICES, MORE THEIR STOCK PRICES, MORE CONCERNED ABOUT TAKINGNG THEIR

Industry responsibility and transparency

07:55CONCERNED ABOUT TAKING THEIR COMPANIES PUBLIC, , MORE COMPANIES S PUBLIC, MORE CONCERNED ABOUT DOLLARS. THAN TH CONCERNED ABOUT DOLLARS. THAN TH HUMANITY. HUMANITY. >> SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT >> SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT EVEN THE SYSTEMS WE BUILD ARE EVEN THE SYSTEMS WE BUILD ARE PERFECTLY RELIABLE. WE DO PERFECTLY RELIABLE. WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE THEM EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE THEM MORE RELIABLE. EVERY WE MORE RELIABLE. EVERY WE RUN TESTS, WE ADVOCATE FOR RUN TESTS, WE ADVOCATE FOR REGULATION OF THE TECHNOLOGY REGULATION OF THE TECHNOLOGY LOWER. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOWER. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S I THININK I THINK A WIDE THERE'S I THINK I THINK A WIDE VARIETY OF LEVELS OF

08:37VARIETY OF LEVELS OF RESPONSIBILITY RESPONSIBILITY PLAYERS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PLAYERS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT GOOGLE DOES AROUND THINGS THAT GOOGLE DOES AROUND WHO OTHER RESPONSIBLE PLAYERS. WHO OTHER RESPONSIBLE PLAYERS. I THINK WHAT YOU CAN'T DENY IS I THINK WHAT YOU CAN'T DENY IS THAT THERE ARE SOME THAT THERE ARE SOME OUT THERE WHO ARE, WHO ARE, WHO OUT THERE WHO ARE, WHO ARE, WHO ARE, WHO ARE, WHO ARE, WHO ARE ARE, WHO ARE, WHO ARE, WHO ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE. YOU MENTIONED. NOT RESPONSIBLE. YOU MENTIONED. YEAH. YOU KNKNOW, I WOULD I WOUD YEAH. YOU KNOW, I WOULD I WOULD SAY THATAT, YOU KNOW, THESE RISS SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE RISKS ARE THESE RISKS ARE SERIOUS. ARE THESE RISKS ARE SERIOUS. YOU KNOW,.

09:29YOU KNOW,. BUNCH OF THINGS AROUND KIND OF BUNCH OF THINGS AROUND KIND OF IDEOLOGY, YOU KNOW, WHERE ONE IDEOLOGY, YOU KNOW, WHERE ONE PRIZE AT THE RISK OF THESE PRIZE AT THE RISK OF THESE SYSTEMS AND I WOULD SAY A SYSTEMS AND I WOULD SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS WE COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS WE NEED TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY NEED TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY THE TESTS THAT COMPANIES RUN THE TESTS THAT COMPANIES RUN AND THE DANGERS THEY FIND IN AND THE DANGERS THEY FIND IN THEIR MODELS. RESEARCH SHOWING THEIR MODELS. RESEARCH SHOWING THAT THE THAT THE DANGERS WERE THAT THE THAT THE DANGERS WERE PRESENT, BUT THEN THEY PRESENT, BUT THEN THEY SUPPRERESSED THAT RESEARCH. WE SUPPRESSED THAT RESEARCH. WE ANTHROPIC ALWAYS TRY TO PUBLISH

10:13ANTHROPIC ALWAYS TRY TO PUBLISH THAT RESEARCH. RIGHT. WE'V'VE THAT RESEARCH. RIGHT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN MANY TALKED ABOUT IT IN MANY EVERYONE TO DO THAT. THE SECOND EVERYONE TO DO THAT. THE SECOND THING I WOULD SAY IS, THING I WOULD SAY IS, IF IF THIS TECHNOLOGY IS IF IF THIS TECHNOLOGY IS DANGEROUS, WE SHOULD NOT BE DANGEROUS, WE SHOULD NOT BE SELLING. YEAH, YEAH. YOU KNOW, M SELLING. YEAH, YEAH. YOU KNOW, M THESE CHIP MAKERS ARE TRYING TO THESE CHIP MAKERS ARE TRYING TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN FOR T THE, DO THE BEST THEY CAN FOR THE, YOU KNOW, TO AGAIN, TO, YOU YOU KNOW, TO AGAIN, TO, YOU KNOW, TO SELL THESE CHIPS S TO, KNOW, TO SELL THESE CHIPS TO, YOU KNOW, TO COUNTRIES THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, TO COUNTRIES THAT CAN, CAN BUILD A TOTALITARIAN STATE A

Claude's blackmail experiment

11:12CAN BUILD A TOTALITARIAN STATE A WITH US MILITARILY. WITH US MILITARILY. >> YOU KNOW. >> YOU K KNOW. >> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALK >> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALK RISKS OF THE AI MODELSLS AND YOU RISKS OF THE AI MODELS AND YOU WRITE ABOUT ONE EXPERIMENT WRITE ABOUT ONE EXPERIMENT WHERE CLAUDE WAS. SUGGESTINGNG A WHERE CLAUDE WAS. SUGGESTING THA WAS EVIL. CLAUDE ENGAGED IN WAS EVIL. CLAUDE ENGAGED IN DISSENT SOMETIMES. AGAIN, THE DISSENT SOMETIMES. AGAIN, THE AI BLACKMAILED FICTIONAL AI BLACKMAILED FICTIONAL EMPLOYEES WHO CONTROLLED ITS BUT EMPLOYEES WHO CONTROLLED ITS BUT THAT'S GOT TO BE MIND BLOWING THAT'S GOT TO BE MIND BLOWING WHEN YOU GUYS FIGURE THAT BABAD. WHEN YOU GUYS FIGURE THAT BAD. >> THAT HAPPENED CHATGPT OR THE

12:13>> THAT HAPPENED CHATGPT OR THE OTHER MODELS WE'VE MEASURED. OTHER MODELS WE'VE MEASURED. AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TESTING A CAR AND, KNOW, YOU'RE TESTING A CAR AND, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT IT IN A CRASH YOU KNOW, YOU PUT IT IN A CRASH DUMMY AND LIKE, YOU ICY BRIDGE O DUMMY AND LIKE, YOU ICY BRIDGE O SOMETHING. BUT THE FACT THAT SOMETHING. BUT THE FACT THAT THINGS CAN GO WRONG, B BUT THAT THINGS CAN GO WRONG, BUT THAT IF WE DON'T DO A BETTER JOB IF WE DON'T DO A BETTER JOB THE SCIENCE OF TRAINING THESE THE SCIENCE OF TRAINING THESE SYSTEMS, IF WE DON'T DO A SYSTEMS, IF WE DON'T DO A BETTER JOB OF SCALE. BETTER JOB OF SCALE. >> YOU'VE MENTIONED A LOT >> YOU'VE MENTIONED A LOT GOVERNMENTS TONINIGHT.

12:58GOVERNMENTS TONIGHT. >> ANTHROPIC HAS A CONONTRACT >> ANTHROPIC HAS A CONTRACT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, IF I'M HERE. YOU'VE IF I'M HERE. YOU'VE ALSO PARTNERED WITH PALANTIR ON ALSO PARTNERED WITH PALANTIR ON DOD PRODUCTS. FOR THE. DOD PRODUCTS. FOR THE. >> FIRST OF ALL, I SHOULD SAY >> FIRST OF ALL, I SHOULD SAY WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE ANY WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTRACTS WITH ICE. AND, YOU CONTRACTS WITH ICE. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WORK WITITH KNOW, WHEN WE WORK WITH CUSTOMERS LIKE. THTHROUGH WE DOT CUSTOMERS LIKE. THROUGH WE DON'T WORK THROUGH ICE. BUT THERE IS, WORK THROUGH ICE. BUT THERE IS, I THINK, A CHINA AND RUSSIA, I THINK, A CHINA AND RUSSIA, AGGRESSIVE COUNTRIES LIKE LIKE

Government contracts and ICE

13:39AGGRESSIVE COUNTRIES LIKE LIKE CHINA AND RUSSIA, LIKE THE ONLY CHINA AND RUSSIA, LIKE THE ONLY THING THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, THAT. THING THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, THAT. IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IS THE POWER IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IS THE POWER OF DEMOCRACY, COUNTRIES LIKE OF DEMOCRACY, COUNTRIES LIKE TAIWAN. AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TAIWAN. AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HAPPENS WITHIN THE UNITED HAPPENS WITHIN THE UNITED STATES, WHATEVER THEHE FLAWS OF STATES, WHATEVER THE FLAWS OF OUR OF. POLITICAL SYSTEM, , I OUR OF. POLITICAL SYSTEM, I STILL BELIEVE IN THAT. YOU KNOW, STILL BELIEVE IN THAT. YOU KNOW, MY MY FAITH IN VALUES AT HOME. MY MY FAITH IN VALUES AT HOME. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE

14:20KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST FEFW SEEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST FEW DAYS CONCERN KNOW, I'VE BEEN GLA DAYS CONCERN KNOW, I'VE BEEN GLA FOLKS, INCLUDING NOW EVEN FOLKS, INCLUDING NOW EVEN PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> C CURRENT SCENARIO, THE WAY >> CURRENT SCENARIO,O, THE WAY ICE IS OPERATING NOW. ICE IS OPERATING NOW. >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTRACTS >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTRACTS WITH ICE. AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL WITH ICE. AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL CERTAINLY WHAT CERTAINLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST FEW DAYS WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST FEW DAYS DOESN'T DOESN'T MAKE ME MORE DOESN'T DOESN'T MAKE ME MORE ENTHUSIASTIC. ENTHUSIAIASTIC. >> ABOUT A TRADE SCHOOL. WHAT >> ABOUT A TRADE SCHOOL. WHAT SHOULD THE AMERICA

Jobs, disruption, and hope

15:15SHOULD THE AMERICA BE LOOKING TO RIGHT NOW TO MAKE BE LOOKING TO RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A JOB? SURE THEY HAVE A JOB? >> YOU KNOW, DISRUPTIONS BEFORE, >> YOU KNOW, DISRUPTIONS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WENT FROM YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WENT FROM FARMING TO, YOU KNOW, FACTORIES FARMING TO, YOU KNOW, FACTORIES AND FACTORIES TO KNOWLEDGE AND FACTORIES TO KNOWLEDGE WORK AND THE COMPUTER AND THE WORK AND THE COMPUTER AND THE INTERNET CAUSED LOTS OF INTERNET CAUSED LOTS OF DISRUPTION AT US. FASTER, RIGHT? DISRUPTION AT US. FASTER, RIGHT? AI CAN DO A WIDER RANGE OF AI CAN DO A WIDER RANGE OF THINGS. MY MY CONCERN AS WELL THINGS. MY MY CONCERN AS WELL AS MY EXCITEMENT IS AI CAN DO AS MY EXCITEMENT IS AI CAN DO START IN YOUR CAREER. AI

16:16START IN YOUR CAREER. AI COMING AT MULTIPLE POINTS AND COMING AT MULTIPLE POINTS AND IT WILL MAKE PEOPLE A A LOT MORE IT WILL MAKE PEOPLE A LOT MORE PRODUCTIVE IN AI AND FIND WAYS PRODUCTIVE IN AI AND FIND WAYS TO CREATE JOBS FASTER THAN WE TH TO CREATE JOBS FASTER THAN WE TH DON'T THINK THERE'S A GUARANTEE DON'T THINK THERE'S A GUARANTEE THAT WE CAN DO THAT. THAT WE CAN DO THAT. >> BUT UP AT NIGHT. AND WHAT >> BUT UP AT NIGHT. AND WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE? GIVES YOU HOPE? >> YEAH. YOU KNOW, I THINK I >> YEAH. YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK THE THING THAT KEEPSPS ME THINK THE THING THAT KEEPS ME UP, BUT LIKE THAT PRESSURE IS UP, BUT LIKE THAT PRESSURE IS ALWAYS THERE HOLDING ON DESPITIE ALWAYS THERE HOLDING ON DESPITE KNOW, RATHER THAN RATHER THAN

17:18KNOW, RATHER THAN RATHER THAN BECAUSE OF IT. AND WHAT GIVES BECAUSE OF IT. AND WHAT GIVES ME HOPE IS THE ONLY TIMES WHERE ME HOPE IS THE ONLY TIMES WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, VERY HARD AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, VERY HARD AND THERE'S THIS ENORMOUS SUFFERING, THERE'S THIS ENORMOUS SUFFERING, AND YET THERE'S ALSO T THIS AND YET THERE'S ALSO THIS INCREDIBLE, YOU KNOW, THIS INCREDIBLE, YOU KNOW, THIS INCREDIBLE, THIS INCREDIBLE INCREDIBLE, THIS INCREDIBLE INSPIRATION THAT I'M TRYING TO INSPIRATION THAT I'M TRYING TO CHANNEL THAT EVERY DAY AS BEST CHANNEL THAT EVERY DAY AS BEST I CAN. I CAN. >> DARIO AMODEI, WE THANK YOYOU >> DARIO AMODEI, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YOU CAN FININD. E