Marc Andreessen: The Massive AI Shift No One Is Talking About

US leads AI, but it's a choice

00:00We're at this very specific and important and fundamental and I think profound turning point in technology which is the rise of AI. Um, and I would say that the good news, let's make the panel optimistic. The good news is the US is like by far the leader on AI. Now, by the way, we need to decide whether we want to be the leader in AI because there's like a lot of forces in the US and in the US government that are trying to prevent that from happening. But >> there's over a thousand laws at state level we've been trying to fight and stop that would screw this up, right? So, there's a lot of people who are against this. California state state government almost passed a law to outlaw AI in California six months ago which is

00:29an indication how crazy California is but yes that we we can it's like everything else we can have it if we want it uh these are all choice but like AI is happening and AI is only happening in two places like it's only US versus China and there's a whole competition thing there but like the US is like very powerful on this and then by the way the US is benefiting a lot because Europe has basically made AI illegal like they're regulating themselves to death and so the smart AI people in Europe are moving to the US um and so like the the US really is ground zero for AI. Um, today AI is software, right? And so when you use AI, you use chat GPT. It's an app on your phone, right? It it does there's no manufacturing kind of

The turn to embodied AI and robotics

01:03component, you know, really. You know, people are building giant data centers, but you know, it's not a huge generator of like middle class jobs. Um, but there's another turn on AI that's coming, which is the turn to the turn to embodied physical AI, which is robotics, right? Um, and this is a transition that has already happened. It's already actually happened in drones, uh, where drones went from being human piloted to actually being auton, you know, autonomously piloted. they now fly themselves. Um, it's a transition that's happening in cars right now, right? Where cars went from, you know, basically purely physical products to now basically being rolling computers that drive themselves. And if you if you

01:33haven't tried this yet, if go to go to if you ever have the misfortune of finding yourself in San Francisco, take away Mo. [snorts] Um, it's amazing to live in a cyberpunk future reality where you're in literally a state-of-the-art self-driving car that's literally out of the Jetson's driving past people who are dying of fentanyl overdoses on the sidewalk. I recommend having the experience at least once. Um but but the self-driving car really does work. Like it's really happening. And then what's going to happen, you you've all probably seen, you know, Elon has this Optimus robot that he's building. Um these humanoid robots, like the the the general purpose robotics thing is going to happen and it's going to happen in

02:07the next decade and it's going to happen at giant scale. And I I I think there's a plausible argument which Elon also believes that robotics is going to be the biggest industry in the history of the planet. It's just going to be gigantic. There's going to be billions, tens of billions, hundreds of billions of robots of all shapes, sizes, descriptions running around doing all kinds of things. um those robots need to get designed and built, right? And so my view is, you know, we don't try to get the old manufacturing jobs back. What we try, what we should do is lean hard into the manufacturing jobs of the future, which is designing and building all of these new things, right? By the way, which includes drones and cars, right,

Building the factories of the future

02:36and robots. Um, and you know, we shouldn't be building manufacturing lines that have people sitting on a rubber mat for 10 hours screwing screws in by hand. But we should be building, you know, what Elon calls, he calls alien dreadnot factories, right? Which is like these super sophisticated factories with like tons of robotics. But you can imagine thousands and thousands of different categories of industrial production that have to happen all across the US in order to make this happen. Um and and and would cause just like enormous economic growth throughout the country. We'd get a huge payoff from all the tech investment that that that that the coast are making. But we generate many tens or hundreds of

03:07millions of jobs um in the countryside and then the US would would lead. It would be, you know, be the third industrial or fourth industrial revolution. We would we would lead in the development of all these new things. And then you get to the national security side of this which is if you don't do this you're living in a world of Chinese robots everywhere. Um and that has you know very profound consequences uh for let's just say yeah profound >> consequences. It's an important policy point and I I want to ask I want to dig into this a little bit more. A lot of I was just in an interview up there like aren't we going to destroy tens of millions of jobs? Isn't AI scary? A lot of people are very scared right now with

Answering the job-loss fears

03:36the disruption. I'm very excited about the higher productivity because I see it being disinflationary. I see it creating more jobs. How how do we how do we if assuming we're aligned how do we explain this to people? How do we explain this is actually a really good thing for the country because a lot of letites are going to attack this. They are going to try to stop it. >> Yeah. So the the lett the lett are wrong. The neoletites are they're wrong in the sense of like that for the reason they've always been wrong which is the reality is we have not in the last 50 years been in an era of fast productivity growth, technological change. We've been an area of slow productivity change, slow economic

04:05growth. U AI if it works the way that actually people either hope or fear that it's going to work, it's going to cause productivity growth to shoot up. That will naturally accelerate uh economic growth. Um, but look, if if it just stays as software, then the result of that is it's going to make the cities much better off, right? It's gonna it's going to make San Francisco and LA and New York much better off and Austin much better off, but it's still not going to answer this question of what happens in the countryside. Uh, to answer the question of what happens in the countryside, you need you need to get to the next thing. You need you need to make AI hardware as well as software. And and and you're right back to that

04:35same prescription of basically re-industrializing the country. And again, not reind not reindustrializing the country on the stuff that has already left. re-industrializing the country based on all the things that have to be invented and built. Um, and it's just like we know I mean just like I'm just like incredibly highly confident that there's going to be these giant industries of, you know, computerized everything. AI powered all kinds of hardware of all kinds of shapes, sizes, to descriptions. You know, you're finding a lot of that kind of thing. I'm finding a lot of that kind of thing. I mean, look, the entire defense base has to get rebuilt around this kind. >> We're going to redo the manufacturing.

National security and the China stakes

05:03We're going to build roads and tunnels and everything cheaper. It's going to be exciting. >> Yeah. And so so so this this is this is the thing. This is the thing to do. like the to me the path like on this is very clear because we we have to we have to do we have to do this because it's necessary from national security standpoint we have to do it because we need it we need the economic growth we have to do it because we need an answer for the entire population of the country not just the cities um and um yeah and we have to do it because if we don't do it China's going to do it and we don't want to live in that