1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,637 We have the OG American Dynamism founder on stage with us at the fourth annual 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,797 summit. Um I think gosh, if we had had this >> this. 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,157 Like [laughter] that. Yes. Um I think if we had had 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,327 >> in the audience don't get that those are gang signs. 5 00:00:14,410 --> 00:00:18,197 >> [laughter] >> No, I I I think we all got the the reference. Um 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,037 Maddy's in the audience. He [laughter] he doesn't get out much. He's like, 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,197 "Huh? What is that?" This is going to be a great conversation. So, I think uh if 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,237 we had this conversation 72 hours ago, it would have been very different. 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,757 Um but of course, there's been a lot of news so I want to get straight to to the 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,677 news and what's happening [snorts] in the world um because Palantir is 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,917 certainly um part of that story. So, 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,717 over the weekend uh the US and Israel bombed Iran in Operation Epic Fury. 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,437 Ayatollah Khamenei is dead. The Middle East is now at war. 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,917 What do you think the situation means for the future of the West, something 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,197 you talk a lot about, and the future of America? Well, first of all, I'm 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:57,077 delighted to be on stage with you and um you know, for many of you in this 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,957 audience, by the way, um I've been talking so much I'm kind of losing my 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,397 voice, but I didn't I I would have probably canceled on anyone but you, but 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,557 >> Well, that that means a lot. We're glad you're here. 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,917 Yeah, I love to cancel. By the way, for those of you cuz like it's my favorite 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,917 thing cuz I I actually am an introvert. 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,037 Any excuse to cancel, as as Palantirians know, it's uh 23 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,717 yeah. Um but yeah, you've been such a force 24 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,917 um in public and behind the scenes for 25 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,117 you know, I think helping people in the 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,757 broadly speaking defense tech or let 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,117 America wins or things that are good uh 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,117 broadly defined um and then we also align on something we could talk about 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:40,157 later on like the importance of not putting our youth in straightjackets 30 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,557 because they're divergent neurologically, Absolutely. 31 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,797 >> uh a passion of of mine and should be a 32 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,237 passion of everyone's since you could 33 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,837 define our wonderful and great country as a country where everyone who is 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,997 divergent in ideology, thought, 35 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,037 religion, or quite frankly, like uh 36 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,757 neurologically, came to this country to have a better place where they could 37 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:08,037 express their freedom and had the right to A, express what they thought, which 38 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,477 and there's a deep link between expressing what you think publicly and 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,757 privately, first and fourth amendment, and being able to think it, and if that 40 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,357 doesn't work, being able to defend it 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,717 with the second amendment. Uh and uh the 42 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,957 and last not least, our our founders 43 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,797 founders uh did not structure these rights the way 44 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,717 they are in, say, where I lived for a 45 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:36,077 lot of my life in Germany, as rights granted to us by other bureaucrats. We 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,957 They're given [snorts] to us. They're inalienable from a higher being. 47 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,327 Uh and I would just say, before I get into uh how the world's changed, 48 00:02:44,410 --> 00:02:47,437 >> [snorts] >> we have American uh warfighters on the 49 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,997 battlefield uh sa- willing to sacrifice 50 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,517 their lives, uh some of whom have sacrificed their lives, and they have 51 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,037 families and kids the kids and families don't know if their loved ones are 52 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,517 coming home, and uh you know, we uh I 53 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,597 know in this room, but we should 54 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,117 publicly, privately, support them, and 55 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,997 people who are not aware or somehow so 56 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,237 effing spoiled that they don't realize 57 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,357 what these people do for us, we should 58 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:20,957 publicly humiliate them. Uh and everyone has a role in that. 59 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:21,637 Uh 60 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,477 um and especially those of us who are 61 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,437 riding a crest of of of 62 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,597 intergenerational cultural intellectual 63 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,197 courage advantage, which it which it is to be an American nowadays, 64 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,117 uh should not obviously should not forget uh the warfighter, who are 65 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,037 disproportionately uh from 66 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,557 uh the middle of our our country, and 67 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,317 disproportionately have gotten screwed, 68 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,197 uh and uh you know, I'm proud uh, very 69 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,037 proud that at Palantir, uh, you know, we we get arrows and 70 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,957 people I mean, half the people attacking us, it'd be good if they spent 2 minutes 71 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,277 on Wikipedia at least learning the talking points they're regurgitating. 72 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,797 But, uh, but, [clears throat] um, you know, there's some legitimate 73 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,157 criticisms 74 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,517 uh, of any company and but 75 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,877 at the end of the day, the fact is the most important thing Palantir is doing 76 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,837 and then I other people in this room are doing and people like you and other 77 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,397 people adjacent or ancillary to building uh, 78 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,597 uh, more lethal and deadly weapons 79 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,397 is to make sure that American 80 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,957 warfighters uh, are much more likely to come home. 81 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,277 And quite frankly, the people who are trying to harm them 82 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,877 know that they won't be coming home. And 83 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,357 that's the way you stop people from 84 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,277 attacking us, in my opinion. And then on 85 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,797 the [clears throat] the kind of um, 86 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,157 the leading up to what's going on, but I 87 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,477 think that there are probably people in 88 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,477 this room who are wildly supportive uh, 89 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,597 and there are people who aren't. 90 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,117 It is hard to deny 91 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,077 that America is exerting a deterrent 92 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,957 capability that was eviscerated. 93 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,077 You you can like or not like, that's 94 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,757 different than ignoring we now have a 95 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:21,597 deterrent capability that no other 96 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,917 country appears to have. And that is for 97 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,277 for lots of reasons and obviously uh, the warfighter people organize the 98 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,917 warfighter, the generals, the leadership, the president. 99 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,237 But, one advantage that often gets 100 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,357 overlooked in a for reasons that make no 101 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,637 sense is warfighting is technology. 102 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,997 You know, I I spent half my life in in 103 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,357 Germany for familiar reasons and then I 104 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,837 wrote my PhD there. It it the and then the rise of America 105 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,317 after World War II, the reason America was able to win World War II were 106 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,557 technological advantages. And if you look what happened in, you 107 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,397 know, Operation Midnight Hammer, what happened in Venezuela, what's so far 108 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,117 happening uh 109 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,677 in in in Iran, 110 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,517 you see one society 111 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,997 just totally dominating. That's our 112 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,237 society. Now, you could get into I I 113 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,157 would I I I'm in always in fights with my intellectual friends about They're 114 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,797 They're like, "But wouldn't it be better to have a rule 115 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,557 a law-based system where everyone is 116 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,197 equal?" Yeah, sure in theory. But in 117 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:35,237 this world it's us or China or Russia. 118 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,077 Yeah. And I don't know how you guys feel about 119 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,877 those decisions, but I think we're doing 120 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,117 I literally believe we're doing the work of higher a higher purpose by making 121 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:46,757 sure, and not just for America, but for 122 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:49,317 the whole world, that we 123 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,757 are the power that actually has the 124 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:56,037 decisive vote. And there is only one way 125 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,557 to do that, and that is with military superiority. And when I say military 126 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:05,077 superiority, I don't mean that we're arguing on a PowerPoint. It means 127 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,037 But America So, now you get to what has technology done. Now, again, I think 128 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,037 whenever people like me are talking about this, it you can't say enough that 129 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:14,797 it's the war fighter and their courage. 130 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,437 And I'm not doing that. I'm sitting here. 131 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,397 Um And, you know, and I'm not And we have 132 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,317 Palantirians all over on like I'm talking to them constantly. So, they're 133 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:30,277 doing They're putting themselves in harm's way. And, you know, um uh 134 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,277 I'm I am kind of, but not directly. It's mostly all the people who yell at me, 135 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:40,197 and I guess maybe there are some people want to shoot at me, but um it 136 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,637 the the 137 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,917 If you look at the rise of like 138 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,277 in the in lifetime of Palantir, there's 139 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,277 been the rise of software, which essentially meant meant you're you know, 140 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,237 software company that is supplying a 141 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,117 steak dinner is obviously parasitic is 142 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,837 not cutting it. That kind of those those companies are being eviscerated. 143 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,317 You have the rise of defense tech and now you have a hybrid software hardware 144 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,917 AI where you really need all three. 145 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,997 Um interestingly from an investment perspective, um 146 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,717 you know, I would say the last company standing before we all 147 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,307 have to salute the overlord of the LM will be Palantir, but it's mainly 148 00:08:22,390 --> 00:08:24,757 [laughter] We're going to get into that. I promise. 149 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,477 >> it's mainly because um 150 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,957 you you there it's a it's the specificity of and the security and the 151 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,757 orchestration. But none of that has to make any sense 152 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,077 to anyone in this room. I'll tell you what, it makes a lot of sense to our 153 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:40,717 adversaries right now. 154 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,597 How is America doing this? Now again, 155 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:46,517 it's specialized ways. It's 25, 30 years 156 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,957 of experience in fighting. It's meritocracy. The Department of War is 157 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,997 the most meritocratic environment. It integrated in Korea before our society 158 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,597 did. Uh it's it it is the most popular institution 159 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:03,837 and most revered institution and probably the only institution in America 160 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:09,277 that is actually revered by the American people across every demographic. And 161 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,077 it's revered by the American people across every demographic precisely 162 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,317 because it's been meritocratic. It if 163 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,477 you were a black American, uh you got 164 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:23,117 your break in America by going to the military. If you wanted to be treated 165 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,797 fairly, uh and you were from a group that you felt that every demographic has 166 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,557 somebody who is in the military, whose life was 167 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,237 changed and it did something noble and wonderful for America. They also have 168 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,837 the experience of coming home in America not sticking up for them. 169 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,917 We should change that. Now you get to Silicon Valley. 170 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,437 Uh my one message for and again I I 171 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,437 don't I'm without getting in specific 172 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,317 people or cuz I'm like 173 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,837 if Silicon Valley believes we are going 174 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,357 to take away everyone's white-collar job 175 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,277 meaning primarily Democratic 176 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,477 shaped uh people that whom I grew up with, 177 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:07,917 highly educated people who went to elite schools or went to schools that are 178 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,717 almost elite, who vote for one party. 179 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,117 And you're going to screw the military. 180 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,597 If you don't think that's going to lead to nationalization of our technology, 181 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:18,197 you're 182 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,197 And you might be particularly 183 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,877 cuz you have a 160 IQ, but it's you This 184 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,277 is where that path is going. Yeah. Like 185 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,197 you cannot have technologies that 186 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,077 simultaneously take away everyone's job 187 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,717 and then be perceived Again, there's a lot of subtlety here 188 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,557 behind the curtain. I've been heavily involved in that subtlety. What can be 189 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,477 where it can be deployed, what can be 190 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:44,637 deployed. There's a difference between 191 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,077 US military and surveillance. And 192 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,117 despite what everyone thinks, Palantir is the anti-surveillance company. I know 193 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,157 your personal online thinks that's not true, but every technical expert does, 194 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,637 so I end up in every conversation that I 195 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,957 don't want to be in, but 196 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,717 the the danger for our industry is that 197 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,397 America, you get a you get a famous horseshoe effect 198 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,997 where there's only one thing people agree on and that's that this is not 199 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:13,917 paying the bills and people in our 200 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,597 industry should be nationalized. And 201 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:19,717 and so the the the societal benefit that 202 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,997 is going on in Iran besides the fact 203 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:27,037 that I think I suspect the Iranian people feel like finally someone's on my 204 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,837 side and it wasn't the Berkeley faculty that was supposed to like me. 205 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,117 Uh it's uh um 206 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,837 a big lesson for you. Yeah, it's so 207 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,997 and but then as America we and the 208 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,357 people who are prominent in the tech 209 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,877 industry, you know, we have to find a 210 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,437 way to make sure that we're not just 211 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,957 popular in Palo Alto. Yeah. I want to get back to something you just 212 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,317 said which is that you know, it's it's either us winning or China 213 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,397 winning or Russia winning or another country that it's a zero sum game and it 214 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,997 feels like the people in this room in Washington really understand that AI is 215 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,717 zero sum but that Silicon Valley doesn't. Silicon Valley doesn't like to 216 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,717 think in terms of zero sum. They like to think that everything is a positive sum 217 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,477 game. So how would you explain to the people in Silicon Valley who are again 218 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:18,317 building the LLMs, you know, building what what they would say is a brand new 219 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,997 net new technology that hasn't existed before and therefore it needs to be 220 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,397 treated differently. What would you say to them about this game? 221 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,957 >> Well, I mean there's first of all it's it's by the way I just want to push back 222 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,637 slightly. They do think it's zero sum. 223 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,037 They think it's zero sum versus each other. 224 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,877 So like they absolutely are fighting. 225 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,477 There will be like it being it's my own rhetoric but I happen to think it's 226 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:40,637 true. It's going to be chips, ontology and I suspect in the end one one and a 227 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,077 half provider. So they pretend they don't think it's zero sum but then ask 228 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,317 them how they feel about their competitor. So it's very very I mean 229 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,717 these people are fighting very very hard for the dominant position. So like what 230 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,717 they don't understand is in the world 231 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,797 it's zero sum but I I I actually think 232 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,437 the primary issue in the valley is it's 233 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,637 going to be zero sum vis-a-vis you when 234 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,197 America decides it okay, I have a I I interact with a lot of political 235 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,277 figures. I have a lot of respect. I think in some are 236 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,517 when politicians figure out this is the one winning issue. It is going to be 237 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,917 zero sum. It's going to be your money 238 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,837 and your company being zero sum nationalized. So that's the part they 239 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,237 don't understand. 240 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,797 Helping people understand that you know, 241 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,717 either we set the rules or de facto like I'm I'm much more 242 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,437 I'm much more on America should be strong so that we don't have to worry about the 243 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,437 enemies than our enemies are evil kind 244 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,757 of thing. So, I'm not super neocon. It 245 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,877 seems to be very hard in this culture as 246 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,037 someone who's lived abroad a lot of my life. It's very hard in this culture to 247 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,797 explain to people that we're in a 248 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,677 competitive environment because things 249 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,477 here are so good they don't understand 250 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:57,437 how different it will be and how much we 251 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,677 will change and how much the pressure will be on America, not just legally, 252 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,157 but militarily and culturally if we fall 253 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,157 behind. And I I I one of the things that 254 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,997 again, it's So, I I personally think the 255 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:14,117 better way to get people to change is to 256 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,837 Okay, it it go bring people like that to Iowa. Bring 257 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,077 them to DC. And explain to our American political 258 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,317 leadership why you make a hundred million dollars and why a soldier from 259 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,957 Iowa can't explain to his wife he has the best technology. And then go across 260 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,317 the hall, so let's classically Republican shape, then go across the 261 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,557 hall and talk to progressive Democrats about how every one of their 262 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,437 constituencies is not going to have a job. 263 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,317 And then leave and imagine what's going to happen to you. 264 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,077 You know, the funny thing about those of us who spent most of our life abroad, 265 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,197 like in Germany, which is a phenomenal culture, 266 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,917 we have a much better sense of how 267 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,357 fragile this ex experiment is America. 268 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,277 It could go wrong and it will go wrong 269 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,597 if if all wealth is going to a small number of people and those people do not 270 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,317 appear to be on side. Now, that perception might is obviously a 271 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,357 caricature. It is a caricature in the sense this is new technology and you're 272 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:17,037 not going to be able to use the same kind of framework and you're going to need 273 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,757 people who appreciate how it's different. And there are real questions 274 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,117 about Fourth Amendment protections, like our right to privacy. What is privacy in 275 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,357 a world where you can impute what someone's doing at home through 276 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,197 technology? How How do you protect our right to have our own thoughts, our own 277 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,837 ideas, our own practices at home, our 278 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,357 own health records? That those are real issues when the 279 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,637 technology can also help you to be healthier, live longer, 280 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,557 uh have a higher economic status potentially, certainly if you're a 281 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,997 vocational worker. But so those issues 282 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,997 have to be unpacked. And where Silicon 283 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,717 Valley is right is you're going to need 284 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,397 a forum to talk about that that doesn't pretend 285 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,877 you know, it large language models is the same thing as 286 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,157 machine learning is the same thing as software is the same thing as a bullet. 287 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,837 They're They're not. Yeah. Um uh but um 288 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,997 but but but but de facto, I I very much 289 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,037 believe uh 290 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,357 as a critique of the uh like uh economic 291 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,637 elite, especially in in the technical area, there's there's like a to use an 292 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,997 economic a kind of overlay economic uh a philosophical 293 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,597 term, they reify, meaning they turn it into a thing. 294 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,357 our rights. But those rights, you know, 295 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,917 when I was in Germany, I I was there and there were I spent a lot of time 296 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,357 I did a PhD. Uh but I you know, there were a lot of 297 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,237 older Germans and I I would spend time with them in the countryside. In the 298 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,157 city, of course, they they didn't know anybody who was a Nazi. In the 299 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,757 countryside, they're like, "We were all Nazis." So I would ask them. But one of 300 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,117 the more fascinating conversations is why they became Democrats or not like 301 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,397 left-right, but capital D. And it was 302 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:04,437 always because it worked. And then the unwinding of it that we don't ask if it 303 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,237 unwinds, you know, our it will we will not be 304 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:13,077 protected. And it it's just the dialogue we have 305 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,957 currently is not acknowledging what's going to happen politically, what is 306 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,677 happening politically. The wealth tax is a derivative of this because everyone 307 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,717 knows the wealth tax isn't going to help the poor, it's just going to the 308 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,637 rich. And that's enough to get it done. 309 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,797 And if if that's happening, just imagine what's going to happen when it's like 310 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,787 there's going to be 50 unlikable people with all the money. 311 00:17:35,870 --> 00:17:39,317 >> [laughter] >> Anybody here like that? And you guys are doing well. 312 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,957 Yeah. No, I I I want to get back to to 313 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,437 kind of the conversation about how um how we ensure that the Department of War 314 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,157 continues to lead on AI because I think this has been top of mind for everyone 315 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,517 in the room for the last 48 hours. Um our adversaries are looking at, you 316 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,797 know, contracting wars um that are playing out in press releases. You know, 317 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,917 what is your view on how we can ensure that we win this AI race against the 318 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,957 PRC? If you If you're giving advice to 319 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,037 all the founders and CEOs of of, you know, the the the companies 320 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:10,637 >> part of what I'm doing and part of what part of the reason I'm here besides your 321 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,357 charm and importance what part of the reason I'm here is uh 322 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,197 I want My reputation in the val Every You 323 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,437 always have reputations. My reputation 324 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,077 which I'm not even saying the reputation 325 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,237 is true. But in my case, like I'm viewed 326 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,917 as the batshit crazy guy who is often telling you something you don't want to 327 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,357 hear and you may not like but is probably right. 328 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,797 And That's true. [laughter] So Yeah. 329 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,397 And that's why I want you to send this 330 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,357 first step. We have to They're not understanding the stakes. And what I 331 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,677 Nothing's going to happen till people understand the stakes. This will affect 332 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,037 you. Now, then the question is like what 333 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:55,077 Hollywood did is Hollywood got together. 334 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,757 The whole rating system was Hollywood realized if we don't do rating ratings, 335 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,237 Washington's going to. And Washington is going to butcher it. 336 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,237 And it goes even say Washington doesn't 337 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,517 want to butcher it. But like it it 338 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,357 doesn't understand the metier. So 339 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,597 the first step is everybody and I'm already on the phone with people saying, 340 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:20,157 "Okay, great. I understand your issue, but you realize the wolves are at the 341 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,237 gate and they already have tasted blood." 342 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,157 Yeah. Uh second step is we have to find ways 343 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,357 where we get together and say, "Okay, like if you 344 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:32,637 just want to go through the issues." 345 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,117 Yes, there are, you know, using technologies in the context of 346 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,317 eviscerating a Fourth Amendment rights in America is 347 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,157 a is something left and right in this country actually don't want. It's a 348 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,717 caricature to believe that either side wants it. There are people on the 349 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,957 Honestly, I'm in private rooms. There are people on the left who don't care 350 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,317 about these issues, who pretend to do it in public do in public, but there are 351 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,597 people and there people on the right who pretend not to care, who do care. Both 352 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,157 parties have significant coalitions and 353 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,997 the American people cares care and it's in our Constitution, but then you have 354 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,997 to get be very granular about what's going to happen on the battlefield 355 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,117 because there the the two issues Americans care about are their 356 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,437 prosperity and their safety. 357 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,197 So, if the if if the two things that Silicon Valley has 358 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,117 to figure out it is what are we going to How are we going to 359 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,517 ethically talk about what's going to 360 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,117 happen to our economy? 361 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:36,477 I In my view, you have you could create a lot of prosperity with trade-shaped 362 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,117 people. Uh okay, but what is going to happen to the 363 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,037 white-collar workers and what are we going to do? That's one issue and then 364 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:49,557 we we're not going to agree, but we have to have something like a we're going to 365 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,477 do these initiatives just like Hollywood did. And then you're going to have to 366 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,037 have a discussion on the battlefield 367 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:58,477 where, you know, the rebuttable 368 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:03,277 presumption, meaning it doesn't happen, is that the we are going to do the 369 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:07,837 maximal amount to make sure our warfighters come home safely. And if you 370 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,197 are sitting in Silicon Valley making an argument that somehow would eviscerate 371 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,237 that or conversely you're not able to understand what 372 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,477 Silicon Valley saying. Meaning there's going to have to be a medium. Without 373 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,437 going into details on all these breakdowns cuz 374 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,677 I was in the middle of it and I want to stay in the middle of it. There there 375 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,597 are substantive issues and there are cultural issues. 376 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,957 If we could get rid of the cultural misunderstanding, we could get pretty 377 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,157 close to agreements here. Yeah. But you you're dealing with worlds that never 378 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,437 ever ever talk. Yes. >> And don't have an ability to talk to 379 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,797 each other. Yeah. Well, and you've been building a bridge between these cultures 380 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,677 for 20 years. I mean, that's what's so interesting. I mean, that's in some ways 381 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,397 why we have this conference is to bring together people who speak two different 382 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,637 languages, very different value sets and try to get them aligned. I I'd love your 383 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,477 advice for these founders who maybe are new. You know, it's sort of like that 384 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,837 meme, the first time meme with Coen brothers film, you know, where it's like 385 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,397 a lot of these people are having their first conversations with the Department 386 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,477 of War. Or they don't or they maybe they don't have any family in the military. 387 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,237 Maybe they never met a warfighter. What is your advice to some of these CEOs who 388 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,877 are maybe new to these conversations that you've been having for for 20 years now? 389 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,717 Well, the best thing you could do is go 390 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,997 to Iowa or go to a base and have a like 391 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,317 I don't think look, put it this way. 392 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,400 Um maybe the first time 393 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,237 was probably not PG, but you know, I'm 394 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,517 happily not married, not divorced. So, 395 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,437 don't follow how I live, but you don't have to maybe if you're going to meet 396 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,877 somebody you really want to impress it may not maybe you have an advantage if 397 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,077 it's your third girlfriend or boyfriend, not your first. 398 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,837 Like go have a conversation with somebody like if you're going to meet a 399 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,797 general or somebody like that and you've 400 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,317 never talked to somebody who's actually done something on the battlefield 401 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,637 or someone who has family who's done something on the battlefield and you 402 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,917 don't have any because of that you don't have an ability to emphasize with their 403 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,957 perspective. That's probably a huge mistake. Yeah. 404 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,637 And I it's probably going to backfire. 405 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,517 Last Secondly though, you have to be 406 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,957 honest about where your aptitude is. 407 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,477 Like, you know, um 408 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,717 Silicon Valley tech builders broadly 409 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,037 defined hardware, software, AI. 410 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,117 I would say we build in the military 411 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,997 context uh essentially uh 412 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,197 software scaffolding much more like in a weird way more more like hardware 413 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,637 software but it's in software uh managing LLMs. 414 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,877 Um uh It is 415 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,357 the single biggest mistake people make in this area is because they're 416 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,637 intelligent in one area they assume they're intelligent in all 417 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,117 areas. And a big failure mechanism in 418 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,597 the Valley is every Valley person is 419 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,397 forced to present as if they're the smartest in all areas at all time. 420 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,997 And that's like if you don't know who the mark is, you're the mark. Yeah. Like 421 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,077 if you think you're the smartest person So I I'm dyslexic and I think one of the 422 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,357 reasons I've done so well is I do think I'm one of the better people 423 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,397 at certain things at least I believe it 424 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,037 and I know I'm not at everything. It's a 425 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:15,237 very small It's like but a failure mode 426 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,437 for the Valley is I'm the smartest on 427 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,277 every issue. I For example, I need to be the person negotiating this contract. 428 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:24,277 What if you have no aptitude for that? 429 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:29,517 Just cuz you can do X does not mean you've imputed high aptitude at Y. In 430 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,237 fact, it's very unlikely it's true. 431 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,477 Yeah. It's It's almost certain that you're just not smart enough to realize 432 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,557 how bad you are. That's probably one of the most important lessons for for 433 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,277 company builders in the room. I actually I I want to um end the conversation on 434 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,957 Palantir is the OG American dynamism company. Um I think a lot of our 435 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,437 founders in this room are indebted. 436 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,757 They've worked for you. They've um you know, built their playbooks inside of 437 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,517 Palantir. They built new companies that, you know, are are epic in their own 438 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,557 right but they started at Palantir in many cases. And so I want to dive into 439 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,877 you brought up the neuro-divergent fellowship. It's one of my favorite 440 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,237 things you've ever done. You've done a lot of great things, but I think it's 441 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,917 it's one of the most extraordinary stands that you've taken in the company. 442 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,477 But you've always looked for people who are different and somehow cultivated 443 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,997 them and brought together people who are Democrats, Republicans, on the right, on 444 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,877 the left, people who are of all walks of life. How do you lead such a diverse 445 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,517 group of people, especially at scale 446 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,517 like at the scale you are? 447 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,957 Well, I mean 448 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:33,317 it's always hard to know when you're like I I I view myself as an artist. So 449 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,077 you really it's like well, how do you create the art? And it's funny because I 450 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,077 I mean I look I I like the freedom money gives me and I 451 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,077 I certainly don't want to like do some philanthropy to prove that I'm good 452 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,117 when because I did something bad cuz I think what we do is 453 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,677 very important. Um but it's like at the 454 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,517 end of the day it's like an artistic 455 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,797 thing, but you know, I had it's always helpful. I had 456 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,197 my parents are among the most talented people I've ever met and 457 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,437 I feel they don't agree with me that you know, 458 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,677 like they should have they could like it's kind of weird. I'm so famous. 459 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,237 Put it that way from and uh um 460 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:20,517 I uh um uh 461 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,717 I I and I then there's the American thing 462 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,117 where we are I really believe in the 463 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,677 magical liberating inalienable right for 464 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,877 all of us to be individuals and that's what I see as 465 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,677 particularly moral and special in the 466 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,197 world. I don't like these things that 467 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,157 like I I've been famously anti-woke, but 468 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,197 in the thing I find offensive about it is actually that it's people pretending 469 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,557 to be different while all being the same. 470 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,597 And so I don't like 471 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,917 uh I tend to gravitate towards 472 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,597 people who are unique and yeah I don't 473 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,837 really care their politics. I care about 474 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,837 like their ability to think and do. Um 475 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,077 there is an aptitude thing where can you recognize 476 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,717 somebody who is truly unique in 477 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,917 something you've not done yourself as a just something you're born with. 478 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,277 Um I 479 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:22,277 I do think it's a form of neuro divergence like outlier IQ is a in the 480 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:26,357 certain way it's not that different than being autistic. Like you just can't 481 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,477 you're not going to you're not going to decomp a problem the way somebody who is 482 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,957 all just normal smart will. Um and I 483 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,597 find that very very charismatic. The 484 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,517 trick to doing it is you have to 485 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,197 it's it's very hard thing where somebody who is the best I I believe the 486 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,197 Palantirians 487 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:51,477 while manage at Palantir and sometimes in many and most cases presumably after 488 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:56,997 a Palantir I am helping them to express something that only they can do 489 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,957 at that moment. And if you look at our products and what we've done it is 490 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,117 actually true. Even what we're doing in in like right now it all across the 491 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,517 Middle East and obviously in America each single product at each single part 492 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,997 was built by the one person in the world that could have done it. 493 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,237 But that and then I have to somehow get 494 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,037 them to do things that they don't actually think are valuable but on their 495 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:23,317 terms. And that's basically my job because at that level of aptitude you 496 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,917 can't just say do this idiot cuz they're like why would I do that? You're the 497 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,837 idiot. Uh and so um 498 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,157 and and then what I think is very special about the Palantirians 499 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,517 ex-Palantirians and current Palantirians is 500 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,877 when you're at Palantir you're not 501 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,597 learning to to actually follow my 502 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,957 playbook. You're learning to follow your 503 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,637 playbook where I'm inserting some things that may not have occurred to you. Maybe 504 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,477 you don't know I'm doing that. 505 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,997 To make sure that your playbook gets rid of your dyslexia, basically. I'm 506 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,757 anti-dyslexifying your playbook. It But around you. And if 507 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,357 you take like the I don't know, there's so many really important 508 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,317 ex-Palantirians, what you'll see is 509 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,797 they're a kind of caustic people, and they're not going to build the same 510 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,077 company Palantir was. They're also not going to build the same company of the 511 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,477 ex-personnel of Palantir. And that's why they play such a disproportionate role. 512 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,757 And at the end of the day, that's why Palantir is like 513 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,677 playing such a big role, because like 514 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,117 Foundry, PG, Apollo, Ontology, 515 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,077 the management of Ontology, the Maven, which is like, you know, we've just like 516 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,237 been able to target in a way no other country can. It's like, the other 517 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,557 countries are like, "What the happened here? Like, we were thinking 518 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,597 Afghanistan. Like, what is this?" 519 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,157 Meaning [snorts] our retreat. Like 520 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,117 meaning And like like America has reestablished deterrence. 521 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,317 That actually just happened. It's happened in the last year. Like that 522 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,317 right, left, center, I don't care what party you're in in 523 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,237 private. Obviously, you can't say this in public. 524 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,237 In private, that is a phenomenal asset 525 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,397 that America now has that it did not have. And there are lots of reasons for 526 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,757 it. But a one, maybe not the most important, is a concatenation of the 527 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,077 most unusual in some cases otherwise maybe functional 528 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,837 talent built around building something that was 529 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,397 an absolutely scandalous, unpopular dream rejected by many people called 530 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,957 Maven. 531 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:32,637 And that's how this country By the way, if we are going to outperform the rest 532 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,957 of the world, 533 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,197 our single advantage is to augment 534 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,477 neurodivergent 535 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,437 highly individual people to be their 536 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,357 absolutely unique best and protect their first, second, fourth, and fifth 537 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,517 amendment rights so that they don't get screwed. 538 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,877 Absolutely. Well, again, the OG American Dynamism founder, thank you so much for 539 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,797 all you've done for the country. 540 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,277 >> Thank you. Vampire Dad Cool here. If you found 541 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,157 value in this video, please smash the like button. Let me know your favorite 542 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,117 part of the video by commenting below. 543 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,597 And most importantly, don't forget to 544 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:12,840 subscribe and ding that bell. Until next time, keep it real.