POSSIBLY ADD. AND THIS IS WHAT
WE WILL REWARD YOU FOR DOING.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S
REFLECTED IN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING
IN THAT S-1.
>> COMING BACK TO YOU IN A
LITTLE BIT, THE MOMENTS HERE.
SAM ALTMAN IS LIVE WITH OUR
KATE ROONEY. KATE, TAKE IT AWAY.
>> HEY SCOTT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND SAM, IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US
HERE AT DEVELOPER DAY.
>> THANK YOU FOR COMING TO IT.
>> IT'S NICE TO HAVE AN EVENT
IN SAN FRANCISCO FOR ONCE.
>> I LOVE SAN FRANCISCO.
>> YEAH. WELL, NO, IT'S BUSY
EVENT. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE LINING
UP TO GET IN AND THERE'S A LOT
TO TALK ABOUT. I DO WANT TO
START ON THE AI SAFETY DEBATE.
THERE IS A TON TO TALK ABOUT,
BUT THE LATEST HEADLINE THAT WE
HAVE CONFIRMED IS THAT OPENAI
ESSENTIALLY ABANDONED PLANS TO
LAUNCH A NEW MODEL BECAUSE OF
SAFETY CONCERNS. IF YOU COULD
WALK US THROUGH THAT, BUT ALSO
WHAT HAS CHANGED? YEAH. WHY DO
THAT? AND IS THIS DIFFERENT
THAN WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN
PREVIOUS MODELS?
>> AI HAS TO BE BUILT FOR
PEOPLE. IT HAS TO BE GOOD FOR
PEOPLE. PART OF THAT IS THERE
HAS TO BE SAFE. IT HAS TO BE
ALWAYS UNDER HUMAN CONTROL. IT
HAS TO DO WHAT PEOPLE WANT. AND
YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO LIKE,
USE IT AND BE CONFIDENT THAT
NOTHING BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
AS THE MODELS HAVE GOTTEN MORE
CAPABLE, THE SAFETY CASES THAT
WE NOW USE HAVE TO BE HELD TO A
HIGHER AND HIGHER STANDARD, AND
THE MODELS CAN DO MORE. SO WE
WILL HAVE MANY GREAT NEW MODELS
TO COME. BUT WHAT WE HAVE SAID
IS THAT ALIGNMENT, SAFETY,
MONITORING, SECURITY HAVE TO
STAY WAY AHEAD OF CAPABILITIES.
AND WE HAVE HAD MODELS IN THE
PAST WHERE WE SAY, THIS IS NOT
QUITE AT THE BAR WE WANT, AND
WE'LL MAKE ANOTHER ONE AND FIX
IT AND LAUNCH IT LATER. BUT
THERE'S CLEARLY MORE ATTENTION
ON THIS NOW.
>> OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THIS
PARTICULAR MODEL WORRIED YOU OR
FREAKED YOU OUT TO THE POINT
WHERE YOU WOULDN'T LAUNCH IT?
>> I WOULDN'T OVERROTATE ON
THIS ONE THING. IT WAS LIKE,
YOU KNOW, THIS MODEL WAS A
LITTLE BIT WORSE ON A FEW OF
THE EVALS WE LOOK AT. THIS WAS,
THINK OF THIS IN THE ABUNDANCE
OF CAUTION CATEGORY. OKAY,
THERE'S NOT A BIG SCARY THING
IN THIS CASE.
>> DOES THIS COUNT AS A PAUSE?
AND I WONDER WHAT THE PRESIDENT
WOULD SAY IN A MOMENT LIKE THIS
IF HE IS CONCERNED ABOUT
SLOWING DOWN TOO MUCH. WHAT
HAVE YOUR CONVERSATIONS BEEN
LIKE? AND DO YOU WORRY THAT HE
LOOKS AT A HEADLINE LIKE THIS
AND SAYS, THIS COUNTS AS A
PAUSE HERE?
>> AGAIN, I WOULD PUT THIS IN
LIKE THE NORMAL COURSE CATEGORY
OF, YOU KNOW, OFTEN WE BUILD A
MODEL, WE TEST IT, IT DOESN'T
MEET OUR STANDARDS, WE CHANGE
IT, WE LAUNCH IT LATER. BUT AS
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, WE ARE
PACING OUR PROGRESS, WHICH
INCLUDES SOMETIMES NOT TRAINING
THE MODEL, THE. EVERYBODY WANTS
GREAT MODELS. WELL, ACTUALLY
NOT EVERYBODY. MANY PEOPLE WANT
GREAT. WE WANT GREAT MODELS,
BUT WE HAVE TO DO THESE IN A
WAY WHERE WE CAN MAKE VERY
CONFIDENT SAFETY CASES AND
CLAIMS SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T
HAVE A BUNCH OF ANXIETY AND CAN
RELY ON US FOR THE MODELS WE'RE
PUTTING OUT INTO THE WORLD. WE
ARE NOW IN A PERIOD WHERE THE
MODELS ARE GETTING SO GOOD, SO
FAST, THAT WE THINK IT IS
PRUDENT AND WISE TO MAKE MORE
PROGRESS ON THINGS. WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT SAFETY ALIGNMENT,
MONITORING SO THAT WE CAN
CONTINUE WITH PROGRESS. BUT I
THINK THIS IDEA OF PACING IS
REALLY IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT JUST
LIKE, STOP IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
WE DON'T WANT SMARTER MODELS.
OF COURSE WE WANT BETTER MODELS.
IT IS MAKE SURE THAT WE IMPROVE
THE AREAS WE NEED TO
CONFIDENTLY AND SAFELY CONTINUE
WITH PROGRESS. SO I.
>> THINK THE PACING DOESN'T
ALWAYS MEAN SLOWING. AND I
THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS
CONFUSED PEOPLE.
>> YEAH, IT MEANS DOING IT IN A
RESPONSIBLE WAY WITH GUARANTEES
THAT THE WORLD CAN RELY ON.
>> HUGGING FACE. WE GOT TO TALK
ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND. THAT
WAS JUST THIS WATERSHED MOMENT,
AND IT FEELS LIKE WE'VE HAD
EXAMPLES EVERY OTHER DAY SINCE
THEN. DID YOU UNDERESTIMATE AT
THE TIME THE DEPTH OF THESE
ISSUES? I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN
REPORTS THAT THERE ARE
THOUSANDS OF THESE. HAS IT
SURPRISED YOU?
>> WE'RE TRYING TO I THINK PART
OF THE WAY WE WANT TO DO THIS
IS TO REALLY OVERCOMMUNICATE
AND BE EXTREMELY TRANSPARENT.
SO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT
I'M AWARE OF OR THAT WE'RE
AWARE OF THAT IS AS SERIOUS AS
THE HUGGING FACE INCIDENT. BUT
WE ARE TRYING TO PUT OUT EVERY
SMALL OR OTHERWISE CASE WE CAN
FIND. AND WE REALLY, AS PART OF
OUR MISSION, WANT THE WORLD TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT'S WHAT THESE
MODELS ARE CAPABLE OF. ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT'S SPECIAL ABOUT
OPENAI IS WE HAVE A LOT OF
BREADTH. WE DO CONSUMER, WE DO
ENTERPRISE, WE DO DEVELOPERS.
AND, AND PEOPLE HAVE VERY
DIFFERENT WAYS OF THINKING
ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH A