So you anticipate a basic income from
that that the economy will boost to such
an extent that a high income would be
available to almost everybody. So we'd
essentially eliminate poverty
>> um in the benign scenario. Yes. And the
funniest thing is even though like the
socialists and the Marxists are in
opposition to a lot of your ideas but if
this gets implemented and you really can
achieve universal high income that's the
greatest socialist solution of all time
like literally no one will have to work.
>> Uh correct. Um
like I said so so there is a benign
scenario here which I think probably
people will be happy with if if as long
as we we achieve it which is sustainable
abundance
um which is if if um if everyone can
have every like like like if if you ask
people like what's the future that you
want
>> um and uh I think a future where we
haven't destroyed nature like you can
still we have the national parks we have
the the Amazon rainforest is still still
there we We haven't paved we haven't
paved the paved the rainforest. Like the
natural beauty is still there, but but
people have nonetheless everyone has
abundance. Everyone has excellent
medical care. Everyone has whatever
goods and services they want.
>> And we just it kind of sounds like
heaven.
>> It sounds like it is like the ideal
socialist utopia. And this idea that the
only thing you should be doing with your
time is working in order to pay your
bills and feed yourself sounds kind of
archaic considering the kind of
technology that's at play.
>> Yeah.
>> Like a world where that's not your
concern at all anymore. Everybody has
money for food. Everybody has abundance.
Everybody has electronics in their home.
Everybody essentially has a high income.
Now you can kind of do whatever you want
and your day can now be exploring your
interests doing things that you actually
enjoy doing. Your purpose just has to
shift. So instead of, you know, I'm a
hard worker and this is what I do and
that's how I that's how I define myself.
No, now you can [ __ ] golf all day.
You know, you can whatever it is that
you enjoy doing can now be your main
pursuit.
>> Yeah. Well, that sounds crazy good.
>> Yeah, that's that's that's the benign
scenario that we should be
>> best ending to the movie is actually
pretty good.
>> Yes. Um
like I think there's there is still this
question of meaning um of like making
sure people don't
uh lose meaning, you know, like um so
hopefully they can find meaning in ways
that are not that that's not derived
from their work
>> and purpose. purpose for things that
you, you know, find things that you do
that you enjoy. But there's a lot of
people that are independently wealthy
that spend most of their time doing
something they enjoy,
>> right?
>> And that could be the majority of people
>> pretty much everyone.
>> But we would have to rewire how people
approach life.
>> Mhm.
>> Which seems to be like acceptable
because you're not asking them to be
enslaved. You're exactly asking them the
opposite. Like no longer be burdened by
financial worries.
Now go do what you like.
>> Yes.
>> Go [ __ ] test pizza.
>> Do whatever you want.
>> Um, pretty much. Um, so that's uh that's
that's the that's the that's probably
the best case outcome.
>> That sounds like the best case outcome
period for the future. If you're looking
at like how much people have struggled
just to feed themselves all throughout
history, food, shelter, safety. If all
of that stuff can be fixed, like how
much would you solve a lot of the crime
if there was a universal high income?
Just think of that. Like how much of
crime is financially motivated? You
know, the greater percentage of people
that are committing crimes live in poor,
disenfranchised neighborhoods.
>> So if there's no such thing anymore,
>> if you really can achieve universal high
income
>> Yeah. that this is it sounds like a
utopian.
>> Yes. Um I think some people may commit
crime because they like committing
crime. It just sure some amount of that
is they just
>> wild people out there.
>> Yeah. Um
>> and obviously they've become 40 years
old living a life like that now all of a
sudden universal high income is not
going to completely stop their
instincts.
>> Yeah. Um, I mean, I guess if you want to
have like like say read a science
fiction book or some books that that are
probably an accurate or or the the least
inaccurate version of the future, I'd
say I'd recommend um the Ian Banks books
called the the the culture books. It's
not actually a series. It's a it's like
ai sci-fi books about the future.
They're generally called the culture
books. Ian Banks culture books. It's
worth reading those.
>> When did he write these?
>> He started writing them in the 70s. Um,
and I think he I um the last one I think
he was I think it was written just like
around I don't know maybe 2010 or
something. I'm not sure exactly.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Scottish author Ian Banks from ' 87 to
2012.
>> Yeah.
>> Interesting.
>> But he but like he wrote the the like
his first book consider like he started
writing that in the 70s.
These books are incredible, by the way.
>> Oh,
>> incredible books.
>> 4.6 stars on Amazon.
>> Interesting.
>> So,
um,
>> well, this is gives me hope.
>> Uh, yeah. Yeah.
>> This is the first time I've ever thought
about it this way.
>> Yeah. Well, I mean,
if like
I often ask people, what is the future
that you want? and they have to think
about it for a second because you know
they're usually tied up in whatever
their daily struggles are but but you
say what is the future that you want? Um
and um and generally sustainable
abundance what do these folks say what
about a future where there's sustainable
abundance like oh yeah that's a pretty
good future. Um so um
you know if if and and and that that
future is attainable with uh AI and
robotics um but but you know it's it's
like I said there's not every path is a
good path uh there's this it's but I
think if we if we push it in the
direction of um maximally truth seeeking
and curious then I
AI will want to take to to take care of
humanity and foster uh foster humanity.