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that that the economy will boost to such

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an extent that a high income would be

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available to almost everybody. So we'd

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essentially eliminate poverty

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>> um in the benign scenario. Yes. And the

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funniest thing is even though like
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opposition to a lot of your ideas but if

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this gets implemented and you really can

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achieve universal high income that's the

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greatest socialist solution of all time

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like literally no one will have to work.

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>> Uh correct. Um like I
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scenario here which I think probably
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as we we achieve it which is sustainable

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abundance um which is if
if um if everyone can

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have every like like like if if you ask
people like what's the future that you

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>> um and uh I think a future where we

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haven't destroyed nature like you can
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the the Amazon rainforest is still still
there we We haven't paved we haven't

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paved the paved the rainforest. Like the

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natural beauty is still there, but but
people have nonetheless everyone has

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abundance. Everyone has excellent
medical care. Everyone has whatever

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goods and services they want. >> And we
just it kind of sounds like heaven.

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>> It sounds like it is like the ideal

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socialist utopia. And this idea that the

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only thing you should be doing with
your time is working in order to pay your

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bills and feed yourself sounds kind
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technology that's at play. >> Yeah.

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>> Like a world where that's not your

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concern at all anymore. Everybody has

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money for food. Everybody has abundance.

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Everybody has electronics in their home.

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Everybody essentially has a high income.

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Now you can kind of do whatever you want

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and your day can now be exploring your

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interests doing things that you actually

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enjoy doing. Your purpose just has to

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shift. So instead of, you know, I'm
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that's how I that's how I define myself.

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No, now you can [__] golf all day.

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You know, you can whatever it is that
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pursuit. >> Yeah. Well,
that sounds crazy good.

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>> Yeah, that's that's that's
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>> best ending to the movie
is actually pretty good.

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>> Yes. Um like I think
there's there is still this

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question of meaning um of like making

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sure people don't uh lose
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hopefully they can find meaning in ways
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from their work >> and purpose.
purpose for things that

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you, you know, find things that you
do that you enjoy. But there's a lot of

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people that are independently wealthy
that spend most of their time doing

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something they enjoy, >> right?

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>> And that could be the majority
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>> But we would have to rewire
how people approach life.

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>> Mhm. >> Which seems
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because you're not asking them to be
enslaved. You're exactly asking them the

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opposite. Like no longer be burdened by

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financial worries.
Now go do what you like.

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>> Yes. >> Go [__] test pizza.

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>> Do whatever you want.

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>> Um, pretty much.
Um, so that's uh that's

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that's the that's the that's
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>> That sounds like the best case outcome
period for the future. If you're looking

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at like how much people have struggled

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just to feed themselves all throughout

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history, food, shelter, safety. If all

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of that stuff can be fixed, like how

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much would you solve a lot of the crime

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if there was a universal high income?

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Just think of that. Like how much
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know, the greater percentage of people
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disenfranchised neighborhoods.

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>> So if there's no such thing anymore, >>
if you really can achieve universal high

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income >> Yeah.
that this is it sounds like a

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utopian. >> Yes.
Um I think some people may commit

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crime because they like committing crime.
It just sure some amount of that

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>> Yeah. Um >> and obviously
they've become 40 years

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old living a life like that now all
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going to completely stop their instincts.

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>> Yeah. Um, I mean, I guess if you
want to have like like say read a science

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fiction book or some books that that are

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probably an accurate or or the the least

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inaccurate version of the future, I'd
say I'd recommend um the Ian Banks books

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called the the the culture books. It's
not actually a series. It's a it's like

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ai sci-fi books about the future.

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They're generally called the culture
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worth reading those.
>> When did he write these?

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>> He started writing them in the 70s. Um,

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and I think he I um the last one I think

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he was I think it was written just
like around I don't know maybe 2010 or

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something. I'm not sure exactly.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Scottish author
Ian Banks from ' 87 to 2012.

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>> Yeah. >> Interesting.

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>> But he but like he wrote the the like

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his first book consider like he
started writing that in the 70s.

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>> Oh, >> incredible books.
>> 4.6 stars on Amazon.

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>> Interesting. >> So, um,
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>> Uh, yeah. Yeah. >> This is
the first time I've ever thought

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about it this way.

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if like I often ask people,
what is the future

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that you want? and they have to think
about it for a second because you know

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they're usually tied up in whatever

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their daily struggles are but but you

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say what is the future that you want? Um

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and um and generally sustainable
abundance what do these folks say what

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about a future where there's sustainable

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abundance like oh yeah that's a pretty

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good future. Um so um

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you know if if and and and that that

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future is attainable with uh AI and

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robotics um but but you know it's it's

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like I said there's not every path is a

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good path uh there's this it's but I

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think if we if we push it in the

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direction of um maximally truth seeeking

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and curious then I

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AI will want to take to to take care of

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humanity and foster uh foster humanity.