WEBVTT 00:00:01.640 --> 00:00:04.527 -Sam, you've been considered one of the leading figures in AI. 00:00:04.610 --> 00:00:09.127 You co-founded OpenAI, which led to ChatGPT, 00:00:09.210 --> 00:00:12.727 which is celebrating three years now, ChatGPT. 00:00:12.810 --> 00:00:19.607 When all this is happening -- First off, what is ChatGPT? 00:00:19.690 --> 00:00:21.107 Can we just do that for anyone? 00:00:21.190 --> 00:00:23.337 My dad's probably watching. -It's like an AI chatbot. 00:00:23.420 --> 00:00:25.377 You ask a question, it tells you what to do. 00:00:25.460 --> 00:00:28.447 -And it tells you what to do. And so it's like Google Search, 00:00:28.530 --> 00:00:31.977 but you made it into more of a thing that you can have a conversation with. 00:00:32.060 --> 00:00:34.987 -Yeah. You know, it's gotten, like, much smarter over the last three years. 00:00:35.070 --> 00:00:36.157 So, it used to not do very much. 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:37.887 Maybe it used to only do Google Search, 00:00:37.970 --> 00:00:39.727 and now it can, like, really do a lot of stuff. 00:00:39.810 --> 00:00:41.797 People are asking it for, like, healthcare advice, 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:43.197 how to learn stuff, they're doing work with it. 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:47.727 -Yeah, tell me, what are the pros of ChatGPT? 00:00:47.810 --> 00:00:49.937 -The number of people that reach out to us and are like, 00:00:50.020 --> 00:00:51.667 "I had this crazy health condition. 00:00:51.750 --> 00:00:52.807 I couldn't figure out what was going on. 00:00:52.890 --> 00:00:54.807 I just put my symptoms into ChatGPT 00:00:54.890 --> 00:00:58.337 and it told me what test to ask the doctor for, and I got it, and now I'm cured." 00:00:58.420 --> 00:00:59.947 Like, that's great. That happens a lot. 00:01:00.030 --> 00:01:02.377 -Wow! -You can definitely learn anything. 00:01:02.460 --> 00:01:05.547 -Anything? -Pretty much. I haven't found anything I can't learn. 00:01:05.630 --> 00:01:07.147 You can do your work way faster. 00:01:07.230 --> 00:01:08.617 You can use it instead of Google. 00:01:08.700 --> 00:01:10.257 You can use it for, like, advice about your life. 00:01:10.340 --> 00:01:13.287 People talk about all the people in their life and trying to figure out what to do. 00:01:13.370 --> 00:01:17.097 It's -- The idea is it's like a general-purpose sort of life adviser. 00:01:17.180 --> 00:01:19.967 -Yeah. And I know that you and your husband just had a baby. 00:01:20.050 --> 00:01:20.967 Congratulations. -We did. Thank you. 00:01:21.050 --> 00:01:23.767 -Yeah. -[Cheers and applause] -Thank you. -How old is he? 00:01:23.850 --> 00:01:25.367 -Eight months. -Eight months old? 00:01:25.450 --> 00:01:29.507 -Yeah. -Are you loving him? -So much. I have no non-cliché thing to say, 00:01:29.590 --> 00:01:34.207 but it is by far so much better than anything anyone tells you. 00:01:34.290 --> 00:01:35.647 I am just so incredibly happy. 00:01:35.730 --> 00:01:38.547 -Is he into trucks? -Yeah, he loves trucks. 00:01:38.630 --> 00:01:39.817 We have to, like, spend a lot of time watching the garbage truck 00:01:39.900 --> 00:01:42.857 and driving around. He does love trucks. -He loves garbage trucks, too? 00:01:42.940 --> 00:01:47.227 -Cars. Anything. We watched, like, the F1 season finale this week. 00:01:47.310 --> 00:01:48.797 And it was the first time he got to watch TV. 00:01:48.880 --> 00:01:50.627 And he was like... -Oh, really? 00:01:50.710 --> 00:01:52.027 -Really, yeah. -He's thrilled. 00:01:52.110 --> 00:01:55.167 And do you use ChatGPT when raising your baby? 00:01:55.250 --> 00:01:58.567 -I do. I mean, I feel kind of bad about it 00:01:58.650 --> 00:02:01.507 because we have this, like, genius level at everything, 00:02:01.590 --> 00:02:05.277 intelligence, sitting there, like, waiting to unravel the mysteries of humanity. 00:02:05.360 --> 00:02:06.807 And I'm like, "Why does my kid stop 00:02:06.890 --> 00:02:08.947 dropping his pizza on the floor and laughing." 00:02:09.030 --> 00:02:10.417 -Yeah. Yeah. -Like, you know? 00:02:10.500 --> 00:02:13.387 So I feel like I'm not asking a good-enough question, 00:02:13.470 --> 00:02:18.017 but it is -- I don't -- I cannot imagine having gone through, 00:02:18.100 --> 00:02:20.327 like, figuring out how to raise a newborn without ChatGPT. 00:02:20.410 --> 00:02:22.127 Clearly, people did it for a long time no problem. 00:02:22.210 --> 00:02:27.997 -Yes. -But... [Laughter] So I know, like, clearly, it was possible. 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:32.807 -Yes, it was possible. -But I have relied on it so much. 00:02:32.890 --> 00:02:34.107 I mean, it's obviously, like, the most important thing 00:02:34.190 --> 00:02:37.137 to happen in my life, so it's top of mind and I use it all the time. 00:02:37.220 --> 00:02:40.347 But, like, a couple of months ago, I was at a party. 00:02:40.430 --> 00:02:41.817 I was talking to this guy, and, you know, 00:02:41.900 --> 00:02:43.817 we had kids about the same age, so we were talking about that. 00:02:43.900 --> 00:02:47.547 And, you know, he was like, "Oh, you know, what's your kid --" Normal conversation. 00:02:47.630 --> 00:02:49.787 And he's like, "Yeah, he's six months old. 00:02:49.870 --> 00:02:52.287 Once they start crawling, it's everywhere. 00:02:52.370 --> 00:02:55.027 They go everywhere." And I was like, "My 6-month-old can't crawl yet." 00:02:55.110 --> 00:02:58.427 And he was like, "You sure about that? 00:02:58.510 --> 00:03:02.637 You think he's okay?" And I was like, "Well, I think he's, like, about to start. 00:03:02.720 --> 00:03:04.867 I'm sure he's doing fine. And, by the way, I bet my kid can 00:03:04.950 --> 00:03:08.407 do a lot of things yours can't, so it's alright." 00:03:08.490 --> 00:03:10.237 But then I, like, ran to the bathroom and I was like, 00:03:10.320 --> 00:03:12.707 "Do I need to take my kid to the doctor tomorrow morning? 00:03:12.790 --> 00:03:15.677 Is this okay?" -"Should every kid be able to walk at six months?" 00:03:15.760 --> 00:03:20.847 -Yeah. Crawl. -Crawl. And, I mean -- Yours can. -No, no. 00:03:20.930 --> 00:03:26.327 Yeah, mine walked at -- Yeah. Mine on "Dancing with the Stars" at seven months. 00:03:26.410 --> 00:03:29.797 -There we go. -Semifinalists. No big deal. 00:03:29.880 --> 00:03:33.297 -But it was a really -- I got this, like, great answer back, which was like, 00:03:33.380 --> 00:03:36.497 "Of course it's normal. Of course you don't need to go to the doctor. 00:03:36.580 --> 00:03:39.207 You know, parents do all these sorts of things." 00:03:39.290 --> 00:03:41.577 And, by the way, it's personalized. 00:03:41.660 --> 00:03:43.507 Like, ChatGPT gets to know you. 00:03:43.590 --> 00:03:46.147 "And, you know, by the way, you're the C.E.O. of OpenAI. 00:03:46.230 --> 00:03:48.277 You probably are around, like, all these high-achieving people. 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:50.177 Maybe you don't want to project that onto your kid. 00:03:50.260 --> 00:03:51.717 And you should just, like, relax and he'll be fine." 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:54.447 And, you know, whatever. And I was like, "Oh, okay." 00:03:54.530 --> 00:03:56.657 -I've seen you in a couple of interviews, too, where you were 00:03:56.740 --> 00:03:58.757 saying -- People were asking you about ChatGPT, 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:00.987 and you're like, "Well, it's kind of interesting, 00:04:01.070 --> 00:04:02.997 because rich people have these great, 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:06.397 amazing doctors and lawyers and business managers, you know, 00:04:06.480 --> 00:04:09.097 whereas people that don't make enough -- as much money 00:04:09.180 --> 00:04:11.437 as these people, they don't get those opportunities." 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:14.937 And what ChatGPT does, they have the same -- You can get the same answer. 00:04:15.020 --> 00:04:17.437 You're just typing in these questions. You'll get the best. 00:04:17.520 --> 00:04:19.407 -No, I think this is a cool thing about technology. 00:04:19.490 --> 00:04:22.647 I think there's many downsides to technology, but there's a lot of upsides. 00:04:22.730 --> 00:04:28.317 And one of the upsides is, it is a sort of equalizing force in many ways. 00:04:28.400 --> 00:04:30.757 You know, I remember people used to say this when the iPhone came out. 00:04:30.840 --> 00:04:34.557 -Yeah. -The richest, most powerful person in the world 00:04:34.640 --> 00:04:37.997 got the same piece of hardware that, you know, billions of other people got. 00:04:38.080 --> 00:04:41.767 And I think AI is pushing in the same direction, 00:04:41.850 --> 00:04:44.397 and it'll take some work to ensure it goes in this way, 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:46.707 but it should be, like, a good force for society. 00:04:46.790 --> 00:04:50.377 -So, what about ChatGPT now? What is the cons? 00:04:50.460 --> 00:04:55.917 What are we worried about? What are the things that people don't like about it? 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.817 -Um...I mean, a long list of things. 00:04:58.900 --> 00:05:04.387 But one of the things that I'm worried about is just the rate of change 00:05:04.470 --> 00:05:06.227 that's happening in the world right now. 00:05:06.310 --> 00:05:08.297 You know, this is a three-year-old technology. 00:05:08.380 --> 00:05:12.027 No other technology has ever been adapted -- adopted by the world this fast. 00:05:12.110 --> 00:05:14.897 It is a truly general-purpose thing. 00:05:14.980 --> 00:05:16.937 The same thing that can figure out how to go cure 00:05:17.020 --> 00:05:20.507 a bunch of diseases can be used in a bunch of negative ways. 00:05:20.590 --> 00:05:23.907 The rate at which jobs will change over may be pretty fast. 00:05:23.990 --> 00:05:27.147 I have no doubt that we'll figure out all new jobs to do 00:05:27.230 --> 00:05:29.817 and sort of, I hope, much better jobs. 00:05:29.900 --> 00:05:32.117 But the speed with which this is happening, 00:05:32.200 --> 00:05:35.047 as this just sort of, like, barrels through society, 00:05:35.130 --> 00:05:37.957 and making sure that we introduce this to the world 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:40.657 in a responsible way, where people have time to adapt, 00:05:40.740 --> 00:05:42.497 to give input, to figure out how to do this, 00:05:42.580 --> 00:05:45.097 you could imagine us getting that wrong. 00:05:45.180 --> 00:05:50.697 -Yeah. And are people on it? -Yeah. Like, again, this has gone really well so far, 00:05:50.780 --> 00:05:52.507 better than I would have thought. 00:05:52.590 --> 00:05:54.407 If you look at the trajectory of the last three years, 00:05:54.490 --> 00:05:56.607 we have integrated this into our lives, into society. 00:05:56.690 --> 00:05:59.977 People use it in all sorts of really great ways, 00:06:00.060 --> 00:06:03.547 and we've been able to get, so far, a lot of the benefits, 00:06:03.630 --> 00:06:05.547 and I think we've done a good, 00:06:05.630 --> 00:06:08.757 thoughtful job as a society of mitigating the downsides. 00:06:08.840 --> 00:06:10.517 But we're still feeling our way through this, 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:15.227 and I'm sure, as the intelligence keeps ramping, there will be a lot more to come. 00:06:15.310 --> 00:06:21.067 -And when do you think, like, it's all going to be, like, perfected? 00:06:21.150 --> 00:06:25.037 -I hope never. You know, I hope just we have a relentless -- 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.667 we, as the human species, we have this relentless drive to improve 00:06:28.750 --> 00:06:31.807 and make things better and to want more and to do more and to create more. 00:06:31.890 --> 00:06:33.547 And I hope that keeps going forever. 00:06:33.630 --> 00:06:38.017 But if you just look at how far it has come even this year, in 2025, 00:06:38.100 --> 00:06:41.457 you know, we started this year with these models that could do a little bit of math, 00:06:41.540 --> 00:06:45.927 and by the end of the year, we're doing better math than our best mathematicians 00:06:46.010 --> 00:06:48.757 at our most difficult competitions. 00:06:48.840 --> 00:06:52.040 -Where's all the information coming from? 00:06:53.150 --> 00:06:55.937 -Well, at this point, it generates a lot of its own information. 00:06:56.020 --> 00:06:58.867 If you think about when you solve a new problem 00:06:58.950 --> 00:07:03.337 or write something funny, you draw upon your past experiences. 00:07:03.420 --> 00:07:04.707 You think really hard. You write something down. 00:07:04.790 --> 00:07:07.647 Maybe you see how it goes. You see how someone responds, 00:07:07.730 --> 00:07:09.347 you see if it works, and then you build on top of that 00:07:09.430 --> 00:07:10.777 and on top of that and on top of that. 00:07:10.860 --> 00:07:14.117 So, we're at the point now where the models can think harder 00:07:14.200 --> 00:07:15.957 and come up with new information. 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:19.157 -And what's the biggest thing you see happening out of 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:22.657 ChatGPT in the next five years? 00:07:22.740 --> 00:07:25.997 -Five years is a long time. In five years, I think a lot. 00:07:26.080 --> 00:07:29.597 Next year, I hope we'll start to see these models really make 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:32.707 small-but-important new scientific discoveries. 00:07:32.790 --> 00:07:35.307 And in five years, I hope they're curing diseases. 00:07:35.390 --> 00:07:38.107 -Thank you so much for coming on and talking about this stuff. 00:07:38.190 --> 00:07:40.507 I appreciate this, and please... -Thanks for having me. 00:07:40.590 --> 00:07:41.517 -...hug that little baby of yours. 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:43.177 -I will do that. -Sam Altman, everybody. 00:07:43.260 --> 00:07:45.347 We'll be right back with more "Tonight Show." 00:07:45.430 --> 00:07:46.470 Stick around.