1 00:00:01,640 --> 00:00:04,527 -Sam, you've been considered one of the leading figures in AI. 2 00:00:04,610 --> 00:00:09,127 You co-founded OpenAI, which led to ChatGPT, 3 00:00:09,210 --> 00:00:12,727 which is celebrating three years now, ChatGPT. 4 00:00:12,810 --> 00:00:19,607 When all this is happening -- First off, what is ChatGPT? 5 00:00:19,690 --> 00:00:21,107 Can we just do that for anyone? 6 00:00:21,190 --> 00:00:23,337 My dad's probably watching. -It's like an AI chatbot. 7 00:00:23,420 --> 00:00:25,377 You ask a question, it tells you what to do. 8 00:00:25,460 --> 00:00:28,447 -And it tells you what to do. And so it's like Google Search, 9 00:00:28,530 --> 00:00:31,977 but you made it into more of a thing that you can have a conversation with. 10 00:00:32,060 --> 00:00:34,987 -Yeah. You know, it's gotten, like, much smarter over the last three years. 11 00:00:35,070 --> 00:00:36,157 So, it used to not do very much. 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,887 Maybe it used to only do Google Search, 13 00:00:37,970 --> 00:00:39,727 and now it can, like, really do a lot of stuff. 14 00:00:39,810 --> 00:00:41,797 People are asking it for, like, healthcare advice, 15 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,197 how to learn stuff, they're doing work with it. 16 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,727 -Yeah, tell me, what are the pros of ChatGPT? 17 00:00:47,810 --> 00:00:49,937 -The number of people that reach out to us and are like, 18 00:00:50,020 --> 00:00:51,667 "I had this crazy health condition. 19 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:52,807 I couldn't figure out what was going on. 20 00:00:52,890 --> 00:00:54,807 I just put my symptoms into ChatGPT 21 00:00:54,890 --> 00:00:58,337 and it told me what test to ask the doctor for, and I got it, and now I'm cured." 22 00:00:58,420 --> 00:00:59,947 Like, that's great. That happens a lot. 23 00:01:00,030 --> 00:01:02,377 -Wow! -You can definitely learn anything. 24 00:01:02,460 --> 00:01:05,547 -Anything? -Pretty much. I haven't found anything I can't learn. 25 00:01:05,630 --> 00:01:07,147 You can do your work way faster. 26 00:01:07,230 --> 00:01:08,617 You can use it instead of Google. 27 00:01:08,700 --> 00:01:10,257 You can use it for, like, advice about your life. 28 00:01:10,340 --> 00:01:13,287 People talk about all the people in their life and trying to figure out what to do. 29 00:01:13,370 --> 00:01:17,097 It's -- The idea is it's like a general-purpose sort of life adviser. 30 00:01:17,180 --> 00:01:19,967 -Yeah. And I know that you and your husband just had a baby. 31 00:01:20,050 --> 00:01:20,967 Congratulations. -We did. Thank you. 32 00:01:21,050 --> 00:01:23,767 -Yeah. -[Cheers and applause] -Thank you. -How old is he? 33 00:01:23,850 --> 00:01:25,367 -Eight months. -Eight months old? 34 00:01:25,450 --> 00:01:29,507 -Yeah. -Are you loving him? -So much. I have no non-cliché thing to say, 35 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:34,207 but it is by far so much better than anything anyone tells you. 36 00:01:34,290 --> 00:01:35,647 I am just so incredibly happy. 37 00:01:35,730 --> 00:01:38,547 -Is he into trucks? -Yeah, he loves trucks. 38 00:01:38,630 --> 00:01:39,817 We have to, like, spend a lot of time watching the garbage truck 39 00:01:39,900 --> 00:01:42,857 and driving around. He does love trucks. -He loves garbage trucks, too? 40 00:01:42,940 --> 00:01:47,227 -Cars. Anything. We watched, like, the F1 season finale this week. 41 00:01:47,310 --> 00:01:48,797 And it was the first time he got to watch TV. 42 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,627 And he was like... -Oh, really? 43 00:01:50,710 --> 00:01:52,027 -Really, yeah. -He's thrilled. 44 00:01:52,110 --> 00:01:55,167 And do you use ChatGPT when raising your baby? 45 00:01:55,250 --> 00:01:58,567 -I do. I mean, I feel kind of bad about it 46 00:01:58,650 --> 00:02:01,507 because we have this, like, genius level at everything, 47 00:02:01,590 --> 00:02:05,277 intelligence, sitting there, like, waiting to unravel the mysteries of humanity. 48 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,807 And I'm like, "Why does my kid stop 49 00:02:06,890 --> 00:02:08,947 dropping his pizza on the floor and laughing." 50 00:02:09,030 --> 00:02:10,417 -Yeah. Yeah. -Like, you know? 51 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:13,387 So I feel like I'm not asking a good-enough question, 52 00:02:13,470 --> 00:02:18,017 but it is -- I don't -- I cannot imagine having gone through, 53 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:20,327 like, figuring out how to raise a newborn without ChatGPT. 54 00:02:20,410 --> 00:02:22,127 Clearly, people did it for a long time no problem. 55 00:02:22,210 --> 00:02:27,997 -Yes. -But... [Laughter] So I know, like, clearly, it was possible. 56 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,807 -Yes, it was possible. -But I have relied on it so much. 57 00:02:32,890 --> 00:02:34,107 I mean, it's obviously, like, the most important thing 58 00:02:34,190 --> 00:02:37,137 to happen in my life, so it's top of mind and I use it all the time. 59 00:02:37,220 --> 00:02:40,347 But, like, a couple of months ago, I was at a party. 60 00:02:40,430 --> 00:02:41,817 I was talking to this guy, and, you know, 61 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:43,817 we had kids about the same age, so we were talking about that. 62 00:02:43,900 --> 00:02:47,547 And, you know, he was like, "Oh, you know, what's your kid --" Normal conversation. 63 00:02:47,630 --> 00:02:49,787 And he's like, "Yeah, he's six months old. 64 00:02:49,870 --> 00:02:52,287 Once they start crawling, it's everywhere. 65 00:02:52,370 --> 00:02:55,027 They go everywhere." And I was like, "My 6-month-old can't crawl yet." 66 00:02:55,110 --> 00:02:58,427 And he was like, "You sure about that? 67 00:02:58,510 --> 00:03:02,637 You think he's okay?" And I was like, "Well, I think he's, like, about to start. 68 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,867 I'm sure he's doing fine. And, by the way, I bet my kid can 69 00:03:04,950 --> 00:03:08,407 do a lot of things yours can't, so it's alright." 70 00:03:08,490 --> 00:03:10,237 But then I, like, ran to the bathroom and I was like, 71 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,707 "Do I need to take my kid to the doctor tomorrow morning? 72 00:03:12,790 --> 00:03:15,677 Is this okay?" -"Should every kid be able to walk at six months?" 73 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,847 -Yeah. Crawl. -Crawl. And, I mean -- Yours can. -No, no. 74 00:03:20,930 --> 00:03:26,327 Yeah, mine walked at -- Yeah. Mine on "Dancing with the Stars" at seven months. 75 00:03:26,410 --> 00:03:29,797 -There we go. -Semifinalists. No big deal. 76 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,297 -But it was a really -- I got this, like, great answer back, which was like, 77 00:03:33,380 --> 00:03:36,497 "Of course it's normal. Of course you don't need to go to the doctor. 78 00:03:36,580 --> 00:03:39,207 You know, parents do all these sorts of things." 79 00:03:39,290 --> 00:03:41,577 And, by the way, it's personalized. 80 00:03:41,660 --> 00:03:43,507 Like, ChatGPT gets to know you. 81 00:03:43,590 --> 00:03:46,147 "And, you know, by the way, you're the C.E.O. of OpenAI. 82 00:03:46,230 --> 00:03:48,277 You probably are around, like, all these high-achieving people. 83 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,177 Maybe you don't want to project that onto your kid. 84 00:03:50,260 --> 00:03:51,717 And you should just, like, relax and he'll be fine." 85 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,447 And, you know, whatever. And I was like, "Oh, okay." 86 00:03:54,530 --> 00:03:56,657 -I've seen you in a couple of interviews, too, where you were 87 00:03:56,740 --> 00:03:58,757 saying -- People were asking you about ChatGPT, 88 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,987 and you're like, "Well, it's kind of interesting, 89 00:04:01,070 --> 00:04:02,997 because rich people have these great, 90 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,397 amazing doctors and lawyers and business managers, you know, 91 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,097 whereas people that don't make enough -- as much money 92 00:04:09,180 --> 00:04:11,437 as these people, they don't get those opportunities." 93 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,937 And what ChatGPT does, they have the same -- You can get the same answer. 94 00:04:15,020 --> 00:04:17,437 You're just typing in these questions. You'll get the best. 95 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,407 -No, I think this is a cool thing about technology. 96 00:04:19,490 --> 00:04:22,647 I think there's many downsides to technology, but there's a lot of upsides. 97 00:04:22,730 --> 00:04:28,317 And one of the upsides is, it is a sort of equalizing force in many ways. 98 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,757 You know, I remember people used to say this when the iPhone came out. 99 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:34,557 -Yeah. -The richest, most powerful person in the world 100 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,997 got the same piece of hardware that, you know, billions of other people got. 101 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,767 And I think AI is pushing in the same direction, 102 00:04:41,850 --> 00:04:44,397 and it'll take some work to ensure it goes in this way, 103 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,707 but it should be, like, a good force for society. 104 00:04:46,790 --> 00:04:50,377 -So, what about ChatGPT now? What is the cons? 105 00:04:50,460 --> 00:04:55,917 What are we worried about? What are the things that people don't like about it? 106 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,817 -Um...I mean, a long list of things. 107 00:04:58,900 --> 00:05:04,387 But one of the things that I'm worried about is just the rate of change 108 00:05:04,470 --> 00:05:06,227 that's happening in the world right now. 109 00:05:06,310 --> 00:05:08,297 You know, this is a three-year-old technology. 110 00:05:08,380 --> 00:05:12,027 No other technology has ever been adapted -- adopted by the world this fast. 111 00:05:12,110 --> 00:05:14,897 It is a truly general-purpose thing. 112 00:05:14,980 --> 00:05:16,937 The same thing that can figure out how to go cure 113 00:05:17,020 --> 00:05:20,507 a bunch of diseases can be used in a bunch of negative ways. 114 00:05:20,590 --> 00:05:23,907 The rate at which jobs will change over may be pretty fast. 115 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:27,147 I have no doubt that we'll figure out all new jobs to do 116 00:05:27,230 --> 00:05:29,817 and sort of, I hope, much better jobs. 117 00:05:29,900 --> 00:05:32,117 But the speed with which this is happening, 118 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,047 as this just sort of, like, barrels through society, 119 00:05:35,130 --> 00:05:37,957 and making sure that we introduce this to the world 120 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,657 in a responsible way, where people have time to adapt, 121 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:42,497 to give input, to figure out how to do this, 122 00:05:42,580 --> 00:05:45,097 you could imagine us getting that wrong. 123 00:05:45,180 --> 00:05:50,697 -Yeah. And are people on it? -Yeah. Like, again, this has gone really well so far, 124 00:05:50,780 --> 00:05:52,507 better than I would have thought. 125 00:05:52,590 --> 00:05:54,407 If you look at the trajectory of the last three years, 126 00:05:54,490 --> 00:05:56,607 we have integrated this into our lives, into society. 127 00:05:56,690 --> 00:05:59,977 People use it in all sorts of really great ways, 128 00:06:00,060 --> 00:06:03,547 and we've been able to get, so far, a lot of the benefits, 129 00:06:03,630 --> 00:06:05,547 and I think we've done a good, 130 00:06:05,630 --> 00:06:08,757 thoughtful job as a society of mitigating the downsides. 131 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:10,517 But we're still feeling our way through this, 132 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,227 and I'm sure, as the intelligence keeps ramping, there will be a lot more to come. 133 00:06:15,310 --> 00:06:21,067 -And when do you think, like, it's all going to be, like, perfected? 134 00:06:21,150 --> 00:06:25,037 -I hope never. You know, I hope just we have a relentless -- 135 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,667 we, as the human species, we have this relentless drive to improve 136 00:06:28,750 --> 00:06:31,807 and make things better and to want more and to do more and to create more. 137 00:06:31,890 --> 00:06:33,547 And I hope that keeps going forever. 138 00:06:33,630 --> 00:06:38,017 But if you just look at how far it has come even this year, in 2025, 139 00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:41,457 you know, we started this year with these models that could do a little bit of math, 140 00:06:41,540 --> 00:06:45,927 and by the end of the year, we're doing better math than our best mathematicians 141 00:06:46,010 --> 00:06:48,757 at our most difficult competitions. 142 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:52,040 -Where's all the information coming from? 143 00:06:53,150 --> 00:06:55,937 -Well, at this point, it generates a lot of its own information. 144 00:06:56,020 --> 00:06:58,867 If you think about when you solve a new problem 145 00:06:58,950 --> 00:07:03,337 or write something funny, you draw upon your past experiences. 146 00:07:03,420 --> 00:07:04,707 You think really hard. You write something down. 147 00:07:04,790 --> 00:07:07,647 Maybe you see how it goes. You see how someone responds, 148 00:07:07,730 --> 00:07:09,347 you see if it works, and then you build on top of that 149 00:07:09,430 --> 00:07:10,777 and on top of that and on top of that. 150 00:07:10,860 --> 00:07:14,117 So, we're at the point now where the models can think harder 151 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,957 and come up with new information. 152 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,157 -And what's the biggest thing you see happening out of 153 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,657 ChatGPT in the next five years? 154 00:07:22,740 --> 00:07:25,997 -Five years is a long time. In five years, I think a lot. 155 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,597 Next year, I hope we'll start to see these models really make 156 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,707 small-but-important new scientific discoveries. 157 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:35,307 And in five years, I hope they're curing diseases. 158 00:07:35,390 --> 00:07:38,107 -Thank you so much for coming on and talking about this stuff. 159 00:07:38,190 --> 00:07:40,507 I appreciate this, and please... -Thanks for having me. 160 00:07:40,590 --> 00:07:41,517 -...hug that little baby of yours. 161 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,177 -I will do that. -Sam Altman, everybody. 162 00:07:43,260 --> 00:07:45,347 We'll be right back with more "Tonight Show." 163 00:07:45,430 --> 00:07:46,470 Stick around.