WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.207 - You went a bit viral the other week or month 00:00:02.290 --> 00:00:04.960 for talking about subterranean capabilities. 00:00:05.550 --> 00:00:07.677 Vehicles that can maneuver through the crust of the Earth 00:00:07.760 --> 00:00:11.767 the same way that submarines move through the water are going to be a huge deal. 00:00:11.850 --> 00:00:15.347 I think they're going to define at least the second half of this century, 00:00:15.430 --> 00:00:17.307 What are you guys planning? What are up to? 00:00:17.390 --> 00:00:20.057 - Anduril has working prototypes of subterranean systems 00:00:20.140 --> 00:00:23.987 that can deliver a variety of kinetic, electronic, and other effects. 00:00:24.070 --> 00:00:26.777 I've been talking about it louder and louder and louder, 00:00:26.860 --> 00:00:29.027 because, first, when I started talking about it 00:00:29.110 --> 00:00:31.577 before we had built anything years ago, everyone thought that I was crazy. 00:00:31.660 --> 00:00:33.077 And to be clear, the thing people thought was crazy 00:00:33.160 --> 00:00:33.287 is I said, "I think the next war-fighting domain, 00:00:33.370 --> 00:00:35.957 is I said, "I think the next war-fighting domain, 00:00:36.040 --> 00:00:38.207 before it's the moon, is the subterranean domain." 00:00:38.290 --> 00:00:40.037 - Is it subterranean, then the moon? 00:00:40.120 --> 00:00:41.417 - Yeah, subterranean, then the moon. 00:00:41.500 --> 00:00:45.047 The moon's just gonna take longer to become an actual war-fighting domain. 00:00:45.130 --> 00:00:48.297 And I'd say it's not a domain when it's like a special weirdo little place 00:00:48.380 --> 00:00:49.427 where a few people might live. 00:00:49.510 --> 00:00:51.547 Like it needs to be larger than that. 00:00:51.630 --> 00:00:54.467 Look, the United States and the Soviet Union both believed during the Cold War 00:00:54.550 --> 00:00:57.137 that the crust of the earth would turn into a battle space, 00:00:57.220 --> 00:01:01.517 and that you would move people and machines and effects 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:04.937 through fire and logistics chains using the crust of the earth 00:01:05.020 --> 00:01:08.147 the same way that a submarine moves through the ocean. 00:01:08.230 --> 00:01:10.107 And I think that the thing that killed that dream 00:01:10.190 --> 00:01:12.737 isn't that we decided that it was impossible, 00:01:12.820 --> 00:01:15.947 it was that we won the Cold War and we turned the spigot off 00:01:16.030 --> 00:01:18.117 on a lot of very, very interesting things. 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:20.497 The difference now is that with the power of autonomy, 00:01:20.580 --> 00:01:24.540 you can now build these things much more cheaply, much, much, much lower risk. 00:01:24.830 --> 00:01:27.167 I've been talking louder and louder about this, 00:01:27.250 --> 00:01:29.257 because when I talk about these things, 00:01:29.340 --> 00:01:32.717 it acts as a lighthouse that attracts all of the people. 00:01:32.800 --> 00:01:34.597 They say, "Wait, what's that over there? 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:35.597 There's a guy who's doing this." 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:38.937 And so I'm talking about it loudly to attract all the right people, 00:01:39.020 --> 00:01:40.687 the people who wanna work on these problems, 00:01:40.770 --> 00:01:43.057 the people in government who need to solve these problems. 00:01:43.140 --> 00:01:48.440 And it's moving along slower than I would like, because it seems so crazy. 00:01:48.940 --> 00:01:52.070 It isn't. - What's the most badass thing Anduril has built? 00:01:52.860 --> 00:01:54.617 - I'm supposed to love all my children equally. 00:01:54.700 --> 00:01:55.947 - Everyone has a favorite child. 00:01:56.030 --> 00:01:58.247 - Everyone, everyone. It's true. 00:01:58.330 --> 00:01:59.580 The science bears it out. 00:02:01.080 --> 00:02:06.297 I think the coolest thing, you know, there's a bit of recency bias here, 00:02:06.380 --> 00:02:11.627 but I think that the coolest thing that we've built in my mind right now is Fury. 00:02:11.710 --> 00:02:15.090 It's an autonomous fighter jet for the United States Air Force. 00:02:17.260 --> 00:02:19.347 You know, we were competing with a lot of the big guys. 00:02:19.430 --> 00:02:22.807 And to go toe to toe with them and then get selected by the Air Force 00:02:22.890 --> 00:02:27.437 to deliver these prototypes to them was just the coolest thing ever. 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:29.027 Only about half of our products are public, 00:02:29.110 --> 00:02:30.987 which is another thing that makes this difficult. 00:02:31.070 --> 00:02:34.157 But Fury was one where we went toe-to-toe with the big guys 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:38.327 for their bread and butter, not like a side thing that they're not interested in, 00:02:38.410 --> 00:02:42.497 and we won. And that, to me, was very gratifying, 00:02:42.580 --> 00:02:45.417 for me, for the team working on the product, 00:02:45.500 --> 00:02:47.457 for all the other teams building mission systems 00:02:47.540 --> 00:02:50.507 and support stuff that went on the product, the people building the buildings 00:02:50.590 --> 00:02:52.640 that are being used to build the product. 00:02:53.460 --> 00:02:54.587 I think that that is one 00:02:54.670 --> 00:02:56.717 that everyone's still riding a bit of an emotional high on. 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:59.597 - What won't you build? What's your red line? 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:01.010 - What wouldn't I build? 00:03:02.470 --> 00:03:04.517 That's an interesting one. - Nuclear weapons. 00:03:04.600 --> 00:03:06.227 - I would definitely build nuclear weapons. 00:03:06.310 --> 00:03:07.357 I would build fission weapons. 00:03:07.440 --> 00:03:09.727 I would build fusion weapons. I think that nuclear weapons 00:03:09.810 --> 00:03:13.947 have been one of the most stabilizing forces in history ever. 00:03:14.030 --> 00:03:17.327 It's never been like that in history where total war is off the table. 00:03:17.410 --> 00:03:19.907 So fission weapons, fusion weapons, absolutely I would build them. 00:03:19.990 --> 00:03:21.620 I would probably not build, 00:03:22.870 --> 00:03:24.497 I would not build biological weapons. 00:03:24.580 --> 00:03:26.577 - Chemical weapons? - Chemical weapons I would build, 00:03:26.660 --> 00:03:28.207 but in a very specific vertical. 00:03:28.290 --> 00:03:30.457 And this is a very controversial thing, and please don't clip, 00:03:30.540 --> 00:03:33.257 "Yes, I would build chemical weapons," and put it on the Axios- 00:03:33.340 --> 00:03:34.967 - So I wanna be very, very specific about this. 00:03:35.050 --> 00:03:39.137 And so if you guys post it, you know, please include this as well. 00:03:39.220 --> 00:03:44.597 I'll give you an example. Pepper spray is illegal for most non-military police units 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:47.937 to use in the military. So like certain MPs can use pepper spray. 00:03:48.020 --> 00:03:50.017 We are not able to use pepper spray, tear gas 00:03:50.100 --> 00:03:52.357 as part of our conventional offensive military tactics. 00:03:52.440 --> 00:03:53.777 I think that's a huge mistake. 00:03:53.860 --> 00:03:55.907 It falls under a lot of these chemical weapon prohibitions. 00:03:55.990 --> 00:03:59.527 And I understand the worries about fear of escalation or a slippery slope. 00:03:59.610 --> 00:04:00.987 I think we understand chemical weapons enough 00:04:01.070 --> 00:04:05.167 to know there's no real slippery slope from literally hot pepper juice 00:04:05.250 --> 00:04:08.670 to, you know, nerve, nerve agents that are going to kill you. 00:04:08.790 --> 00:04:12.047 - On Arsenal-1, y'all said the production lines could go hot 00:04:12.130 --> 00:04:15.210 as soon as this July, a few months from now. 00:04:16.260 --> 00:04:18.217 - Actually, they're going live in a matter of weeks. 00:04:18.300 --> 00:04:20.637 We're ahead of schedule. So I just came back from Ohio, 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:22.467 we were doing our final site survey. 00:04:22.550 --> 00:04:24.640 We have our first main building. 00:04:25.640 --> 00:04:28.687 We have our first main building done, about a million square feet, 00:04:28.770 --> 00:04:32.357 and we have the exterior work done on the second building. 00:04:32.440 --> 00:04:35.687 So that first line is actually gonna be coming online in a matter of weeks. 00:04:35.770 --> 00:04:37.320 - What's rolling off that line? 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:44.747 - We are making a variety of aircraft and missiles and other stuff. 00:04:44.830 --> 00:04:49.627 - So like Barracuda and Fury? - Barracuda is there, Fury is there. 00:04:49.710 --> 00:04:53.587 There's another aircraft that we're making there as well for a different. 00:04:53.670 --> 00:04:58.087 Look, this facility is making things for SOCOM, for the Army, for the Marine Corps, 00:04:58.170 --> 00:05:01.097 for the Air Force, and one other customer. 00:05:01.180 --> 00:05:06.557 I mean, like we already have the space all allocated to make all of these things. 00:05:06.640 --> 00:05:10.227 You know, it's more slanted towards one customer than another 00:05:10.310 --> 00:05:11.767 in terms of square footage right now. 00:05:11.850 --> 00:05:14.357 But yeah, that's coming online in a matter of weeks. 00:05:14.440 --> 00:05:18.690 And we should be at full scale with that by, 00:05:21.650 --> 00:05:24.410 it'll probably be Q2 next year.