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There was a moment at India's AI summit

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where you and Sam Altman appeared
to refuse to hold hands on stage. What

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happened there?
>> What happened is that the summit was

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extremely disorganized. We all came up
at the last minute and they like changed

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the order in which we were standing and
then like they took a picture of us and

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then they ordered us all to like hold
hands. You know, if you've ever been to

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one of these summit I'm not saying
anything bad about India in particular

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but like all of these kind
of international type summits that have

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like heads of state are
like super disorganized.

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>> Okay, but everyone
else held hands. Come on.

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>> I I look I I don't know I don't know
what to tell you, okay? There was like,

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you know, Narendra Modi up there
suddenly telling everyone to like

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suddenly [laughter] telling
everyone to hold hands.

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>> All right, all right. Well, okay, look.

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Sam and Elon are suing each other.
You don't like Sam.

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I I it seems. If the people building
the most important technology in the world

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can't hold hands on stage, how can we
trust you'll cooperate on existential

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risk? >> There are some
players who are more

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trustworthy than others and you know,
I think there are players outside

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Anthropic who you know,
who who I trust who I see as

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trustworthy. What I think needs to

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happen is that the trustworthy actors

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need to need to get together and and put

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the untrustworthy actors in a position
where they kind of have to adopt the

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same standards. With a lot of experience,
I've learned that there are

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some folks who don't do the right thing
on their own. But if there's a majority

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of the industry that's doing the right
thing, then I think the rest of the

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industry is is kind of they're
left in a position where there's

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not much they can do that
that that then come along.

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>> Your decision to leave Open
AI has become Silicon Valley lore.

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What really happened? Like beyond
the narrative, what were the issues? What

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did you disagree on? >> Look,
I'll I'm going to say it. I'm

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going to say it very simply. You know,
there are many valid disagreements to be

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had on safety. We certainly had some
of those disagreements with them, but you

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know, people that that that that alone
is not sufficient to leave. People here

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have had disagreements with me. People
here have disagreements with each other.

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But, when you feel that you can't trust

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someone, when you feel that their values

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are not what they say they are, when you
feel that they're not honest, when you

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feel that they're not in it for the

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reasons that they say, um when you see

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disturbing

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uh uh patterns of behavior, dishonesty,

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that makes it very hard to, you know,
to continue to work with a company, to

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continue to trust the company.
And look, at the end of the day,

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why argue with someone when you don't
have the same vision and you don't trust

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them? Like, the way the the way to

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resolve it is you go off and do your

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thing, they go off and do their thing.

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And I am completely at peace with uh the

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idea that we're doing things our way
and they're doing things their way. We'll

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see who wins in the market and we'll see
who wins in the court of public opinion.