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>> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN
PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day.

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>> What's going on, man?
>> This is Joe Rogan.

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>> How you feeling? >> I feel incredible,
man. I feel >> You must be

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>> It's been one hell of a week.
It's been crazy.

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>> It has to be the craziest week of your
life, right? or up to it by I mean this

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is this is pretty pretty up there.
It's been some crazy weeks.

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>> So talk me through this. When did you
get the uh the offer for the fight? How

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long out? >> So they
had mentioned possibly me

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fighting him on the White House.
They asked me

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>> that was the the the ali reached out
to me. He's like, "Hey, like they they're

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talking about possibly getting you
on the White House. They know you're a

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Marine and whatnot. Uh they want Gable
Stevenson." And I was like, "Fucking I

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don't care. I've been watching Gable
since he he was coming up on the

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regional scene since you were talking
about him and I everyone was all hyped

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about him and so I kind of already
knew we were going to cross paths but it

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wasn't until um I was requesting to get
on the LA card. I heard they were coming

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to LA and I kept saying hey I want LA
I want LA and I just like all right you

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got LA you're fighting Gable.
>> So there was a conversation about the

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White House card. So this is June.

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That's when it first came up. And so how
did it wind up taking place in September?

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>> Uh well I just never heard back.
They talked about it. They were like would

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you take it? And I was like, "Sure."
And I think I think maybe they were trying

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to get Jones on there too, possibly.
I think that might have been what it was

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that >> I think Dana was hesitant.

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>> Yeah. >> To get John on there.

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>> Yeah. And and so I think it was like
a oh, if I'm not going and maybe Gabe was

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I don't know what it was, but they just
I just That was the first time I was

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approached like, "Hey, would you be open
to fighting him on the White House?" And

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I was like, "Of course, fuck."

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>> And so how long out did they tell you
about the LA card? uh about six weeks,

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but I had already been in camp because
I was supposed to fight Taiu Ivasa and I

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had to pull out because my nose got
broken in that camp. So, I was basically

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in in the camp for the tie fight and then
I went straight into that into the

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the next camp as soon as I got cleared
to start sparring and and stuff. But I

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was still training the whole time.
I was running. I was I went full [__] I I

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retained my seed.
I was [__] >> Did you really?

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>> Yeah, bro. I went full eight weeks.
No no no no no jerk out, no sex, no

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nothing. I went full like marine mode.

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That's why you guys saw that that mat on
the ground the in the studio was because

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I was like was like really [__] going
to I got I end up getting air mattress

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after I texted Strickland
cuz he's like and um

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>> you were sleeping on a mat.
Yeah. Tell people about that.

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>> Well, basically because I I I have
um obviously my all my finances are out

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there already. I could I didn't have
anything in my name. So I've been I've

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been bouncing around from Fighter Houses.
There's Fighter House LV they

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started out and um there's like 40 bucks
a room you get. And I was also staying

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in the casinos [__] gambling, doing
a bunch of dumb [__] And um stayed in my

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car a few times, bouncing back forth

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with my mom. It was just a a little bit
of a chaotic situation. And uh I got the

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spot. I I got a front from my management.
They they gave me four grand

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cuz I I was basically was in California

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and I stayed out there with my mom and I
had to come back out here for the camp

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and I was like, "Hey, I need funds.
Can you guys give me?" And uh they fronted

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me four grand on my purse and they said,
"Hey, um get get whatever you want." I

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mean, they weren't very involved like
if I'm being honest. I kind of had to

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figure it out on my own. Like and um
yeah, I had a friend. He got me a sub

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lease, got me a spot, and I just [__]
>> Well, it's such a crazy rocky story.

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>> I know, man. That feels like [__]
movie. Like some I'm saying it and I

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don't even know like I'm like, "Bro,
like people aren't going to believe this

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[__] Like I got to [__] show the receipts,
you know? Like I'm going to

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show you some [__] some shit."
I mean, I've never experienced something

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like that, but it has to be like right
now even. It's hard to believe that you

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did what you did. >> Yeah.
Yeah. Cuz I I I I like believed I

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was going to win. Like I was telling
myself, but it was I believed it was

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going to be a war. I believed it was
going to be my whole game plan was like

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he he sure he might get the takedown.

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You're going to stay in his [__] face.
I was I was screaming the [__]

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affirm the Jon Jones speech when he's
like [__] when he told DC and he was

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all like there's nothing you could do
to stop me from coming after you round

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after round with the most malicious
techniques I know you will lose this

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fight Gable Stevenson you will lose
this fight and I will and I was just like

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just just telling myself that I
was going to go through hell for this you

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know because all my previous fights
it was first round knockouts all my

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victories first round knockouts and it
kind of gave me the delusion that I'm

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just touch guys and they're going to fall
but then when I got to the UFC like

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I had that that loss with Taffa and I
had Aspen. I [__] kept cracking him.

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He wouldn't fall. And then um I kind
of started doubting my power a little bit.

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I kind of started like questioning like,
"Hey, like [__] can I do this?" And

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so like when I just hit him with
that left hook and he fell, I was like

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I started cussing. I jumped on.
I was [__] bro. I was like, "What the [__]

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is going on, man?"

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>> You were uh he was a minus 2400

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favorite. >> Yeah. The disrespect.

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>> Was it 2400 or? >> Yeah, it was.

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>> That's what it was. Okay. I just want
to be really clear about that. That's a

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crazy number as >> for heavyweight.
For heavyweight, it

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might be the biggest at least bookmaker
odds. It might be the biggest upset in

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the history of the sport.
>> That's what they're saying.

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>> Yeah. I mean, even with Holly Holm
and Ronda Rousey, it was just like

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>> Holly Holm was dangerous. She was a
multiple time world kickboxing champion,

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multiple time world boxing champion. You

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know, she was a legitimate striker.

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that, you know, I could see Holly being,
you know, a 10 to one dog or something

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like that, but this was Yeah. >> And I
think the fact I was coming off of

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two losses like >> uh like,
bro, I lost my discipline a

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lot, you know, coming up
grinding for this and uh

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>> here it is. Let's watch it again.

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>> Yeah. >> So, you just know it's real.

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>> BOOM. >> IT'S OVER.

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>> OH MY GOODNESS. >> OH MY GOD. ONE LEFT.

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>> That's me. >> Oh my god.
>> Oh my goodness.

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>> Unbelievable.
Look at that game. Good night kick.

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>> One more time. >> Boom.
Oh, the way the head snaps back

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too. >> Oh,

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>> what did it feel like when you're
standing there holding your arms up?

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Were you like in space?
Were you in another galaxy?

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>> Everything just felt like so euphor
like even like I haven't seen the clips. I

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remember I I shook Joan's hand and his
hand before they left, but like everyone

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was saying like, "Are you sure you did
that?" Because like I I vividly remember

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like before they walked out and and
everyone started booing like I shook

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their hand. Uh I shook his like that
was it. I didn't say nothing. And um but

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like bro everything just feels like I
haven't even gotten a chance to digest

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it. Like I've been just going this whole
week like doing interviews after

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interviews and Zoom and it's like I'm
so exhaust like I just want to go to a

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mountain or to the desert and [__]
take some mushrooms with my dog and just

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[__] like process what the [__] is

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going on, man. That probably might be
a good idea too so you can stay on the

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course, you know, because one of the
problems with like a big event or a big

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moment is you can be defined by that big

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event and big moment and that big moment

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can be like a centerpiece in your life

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instead of the path, right? So the path

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you're on is getting better as an MMA

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fighter, achieving like world class
status, fighting for a title eventually.

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That's the path. >> Is it though, Joe?

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>> Yeah, why not? >> Is it?
Well, that's why I want to ask

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you because like I I mean,
bro, if you can do that,

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>> everyone's making it seem like
this is just a [__] lucky punch, one shot.

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And like my So, this is my thing is I've

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always take been taking my journey fight
like I like I got out the Marine Corps

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and I was like, hey, like I want to be
a UFC fighter and like it wasn't like, oh,

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I want to be a champion, you know? It
was just like I just wanted to be in the

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organization and wear the uniform
and just be able be able to [__] say I

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did that. And the fact that I just lost
like those two times like [__] like they

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gave me the uniform but it didn't feel
like it. And so now like to do this the

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people are saying possibly the biggest
upset in history [__] in my home like

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[__] against all odds. I'm like bro

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like it like can I beat that? Like do I

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you leave the table when you're up?

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That's what they say,
you know? Like [__] like

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>> are you thinking about doing that?
Are you thinking about leaving the table?

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I'm I'm I'm told I'm not going I told

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Micah the psych at the the PI. I told
my Sergey, my training partner. I told

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Gokore. I told all these guys. I was like,
"Hey, bro. If I win this fight,

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the like the way I'm visualizing, I like
I might be good with that because this

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is [__] like that was it, you know?"

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And I don't I don't know.
Like >> just cuz it was such a big moment.

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>> Just the No,
it's the fact of what I had

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to go through cuz like, brother, I've

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had zero sponsors. I got zero promo. I

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got zero like any kind of like support
throughout this whole thing. Like even

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like with the coaching, you know,
like my corner like I was scrambling to

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figure that out, you know, and it
was just like I had to beg for so much

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[__] help throughout this process.
It just made me [__] like it was just

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put a little sour taste in my bro like
[__] like for what? Like and then on

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top of that I got [__] CT scan.

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They're saying I got some [__] brain
matter and [__] I'm [__] stitched up

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from head to toe. I got [__] all types
of injuries. Like and I'm like bro

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what am I doing it for?
just [__] for more money

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>> for for for a belt like what what am
I doing for that's why I I'm trying to

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figure out the answers myself.

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>> That's interesting. Well, if that's the
case, then definitely go take mushrooms

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with your dog. >> That's why I'm like
maybe you can help me advise me here.

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>> The decision is always going to be
entirely yours because it's dependent

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entirely upon who you are, where you are,
and I don't know that. I don't know

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where you're at in your life. I don't
know where you're at with your mind. I

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don't know. There's nothing wrong with you
walking away right now if you choose

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to do that. Um, so you have to think
about it. And I think a moment like

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that, like I said, was so big, you have
to let it settle before you decide what

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you're going to do. There's a lot
of people um there there's there's a bunch

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of different ways to approach fighting.

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And I think one of the one of the worst

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ways is to chase glory, you know,

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because glory does come to the greats.

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in and in in that glory, you know,
the glory that Justin Gatechi got when he

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beat Ilia Tapora at the White House.

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>> No one's ever going to experience that.

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The one of the greatest moments
in the history of combat sports, right?

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>> That was my logic, too, cuz like when
I saw that the Gachi upset, I was like,

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bro, like what more do you have to prove?
Like he just shocked the [__]

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world. >> Yeah, he could
he could certainly walk

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especially Gachi. He's had this insane
career in incredible career. He could

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definitely walk away now and be one of

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the all-time greats. But Connor for

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instance, like Connor's last fight, like

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it seemed like Connor was doing it
to show that he could still do it. Seemed

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and I don't know, you know,
I didn't talk to him. I haven't had a

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conversation with him as a person,

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>> but it seemed like he wanted to be on

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top again. He wanted to show that he
could go out there and still beat a

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world-class fighter like M Max Holloway

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and just show that he could do it. And

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you got to wonder, is that the best

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motivation for a guy that's worth half
a billion dollars and is [__] living in

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the lap of luxury? And >> no,
he's just chasing the high. He's

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chasing. He's like, he's like was like, I
just want to go out on top, going on top.

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>> He's chasing the high >> versus
is he chasing the dream? So like

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when he knocked out Jose Aldo, he was
chasing the dream. He was a juggernaut.

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He was storming through the division.
He was knocking everybody out. He looked

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like this guy that had this phenomenal

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talent and this special charisma and he

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looked like a guy who is chasing this

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this thing, this dream, this dream
of becoming a world champion. So then you

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achieve it and then I think the big
derailment was the Floyd Mayweather

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fight, right? He leaves MMA,
trains boxing for a while, has a great

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performance against Floyd Mayweather,
one of the greatest boxers of all time,

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does 10 rounds with him,
which is [__] insane.

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>> Did you see my video
with him before the fight?

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>> No. Oh, I went viral
with with with with

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Floyd. Yeah. I ran into him at Lifetime
and I was like really cuz cuz I started

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promoting myself. So like that was the
issue. Like I kept seeing these collabs

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and these promos with with Gable and I
was like, "Bro, what the [__] man?"

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Like why is no one pushing me? So I
started like just going outside the PI

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and I was like I did my own promo
and then like just the odds like the next

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day I ran into Floyd at the [__]
at the Lifetime and I was like, "Hey man,

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let me get a quick video [__] uh
to promote my fight and whatnot." So uh

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it's just ironic you say Floyd.

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>> That's funny.
That's funny. Well, that's

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just to be expected. You got to realize
Gable is first of all Olympic gold

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medalist, one of the greatest
heavyweight wrestlers in the United

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States has ever produced, >> right?
And then he goes on to be

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undefeated in MMA, wins that fight in
dirty boxing. He's an athletic freak and

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he's being chain trained by Jon Jones.

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>> But who did he beat on the regional
scene? That's what didn't impress me. He

00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:44.157
he got wheel kicked in Mexico. The guy
was like 1 and0 that he was being like

00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:46.557
cuz I was 4 and0 on the regional
scene, too. Then I got

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>> You're 100% correct in that regard.
But he couldn't get any fights. Nobody any

00:12:51.040 --> 00:12:55.517
good wanted to fight him because he's
Gable. Because he's this insane freak

00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:59.597
wrestler and they want to win and they
want to make their way through, you

00:12:59.680 --> 00:13:03.197
know, whatever regional circuit it is,
get a really good record and get some

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experience before they get into the UFC.

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They don't want to get flatlined. They
don't want to get beat up and smashed.

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Yeah. They want, you know, they want
and a good manager treats their fighters

00:13:10.880 --> 00:13:14.957
that way. A good manager says, "Listen,
you're not ready for that yet. We're

00:13:15.040 --> 00:13:19.437
going to get you this guy. Don't get
beat by him yet. you you can eventually

00:13:19.520 --> 00:13:22.477
beat him, but we have to develop
these skills. We have to develop these

00:13:22.560 --> 00:13:26.157
techniques. We have to get you some
seasoning. You have to get some hard

00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:29.677
fights against some really tough guys
so you know what the the [__] basement

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feels like. You got to know what it's
like to be in the dungeon. You know,

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>> he wasn't in the dungeon.
>> Wasn't in the dungeon.

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>> They were [__] coddling him and
pampering him. Well, I I think also when

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you're that good of an athlete
and you've had that much success in

00:13:42.560 --> 00:13:46.637
wrestling, which is, you know,
this celebrated incredible sport, and then

00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:50.477
you enter into MMA with all that hype
and fanfare, you start to believe that

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you are special and you're invincible
and and you're not a regular human being

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with with very good skills. Cuz that's
what he is, a regular human being with

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very good skills. >> And you
showed it. You showed it with a

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[__] perfect left hook when you

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stepped outside and then it was

00:14:06.880 --> 00:14:11.117
everything in that left hook.
It was pretty. It was technical. It was

00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:14.637
perfect. And he was reaching
at the time, too. So,

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>> and that Well,
that was the other thing.

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He he was closing his eyes. And that
was I saw on the replay. And that comes

00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:20.797
because he isn't smart enough.

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>> He he hasn't had that experience
of [__] being in the fire over and over

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again. >> He's only been
striking for like a year

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and a half. That's That's why that's why
when they asked me, they tried to make

00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:33.677
it seem like I was talking [__] They're
like, "Are you impressed by Gay?" I was

00:14:33.760 --> 00:14:36.717
like, "No, I'm not impressed." Like,
"What what are you not impressed about?"

00:14:36.800 --> 00:14:40.317
I'm like, "What the [__] What? He's an
Olympic gold medalist, but what? This is

00:14:40.400 --> 00:14:41.917
fighting and we're going to fight."

00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.117
>> Yeah. >> Well,
his first fight, he got tagged a

00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:48.717
bunch, the first fight in the UFC, and
that guy fought well. He he hit him with

00:14:48.800 --> 00:14:50.157
some good shots. That guy was there to

00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:53.037
win. He just he just, you know, was

00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:56.957
overwhelmed. Gable got him. But that

00:14:57.040 --> 00:15:01.357
[__] left hook changed the landscape
of the universe, dude. That left hook

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changed changed your life.
Changed the world.

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>> Yeah. There was so
many people that even

00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:09.357
before the fight, they're like, if you
beat Gable, I'm going to name my kid

00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:14.317
after you. Like, I'm putting my mortgage
down. Like, bro, like like I was like, I

00:15:14.400 --> 00:15:17.037
don't know if these comments are real,
but like there was so many people

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messaging me and commenting like
and even like with the press conference,

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like they were telling me like like
please bring up please bring up his

00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:25.917
past. Please bring up his past, you know?
And I was all like, "Shit, but

00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.957
[__] I fought for my freedom of speech,
man. I don't give a [__] I'll say what

00:15:29.040 --> 00:15:32.797
I what I want, you know?" And >> yeah,
it's a lot. Like the whole the

00:15:32.880 --> 00:15:35.117
whole buildup to a fight is so much.

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There's so much talking. There's so
many people talking at you and there's so

00:15:39.520 --> 00:15:43.277
many narratives. There's so many pe
like you could get your brain really [__]

00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:47.517
scrambled during those things, including
him like believing the hype or anybody

00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:49.757
believing the hype. >> And what
was crazy was we weren't even

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supposed to be on the press conference
or even on the main card until Ortega

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fell out. And that was like that felt
like divine intervention, bro. Cuz I was

00:15:57.680 --> 00:16:00.237
just like, >> oh like like
I thought I was I was going

00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.357
to get the press conference and when
I got to fight week it was like there

00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.237
there was I wasn't on there and then
that next day they were like oh no

00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:08.957
you're you're you're main card
you're going you're going to the press

00:16:09.040 --> 00:16:12.237
conference. So maybe that I wouldn't
have gotten in his head if I didn't get

00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:14.557
in the press conference, you know,
because that was that was strategic.

00:16:14.640 --> 00:16:18.317
Like I I was saying in interviews before
like that's psychological warfare. Oh,

00:16:18.400 --> 00:16:22.157
it's fair love and war. And it's like if
if you don't know how to handle that, I

00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:25.437
mean I like like I said, I just brought
brought things to light. Like yeah,

00:16:25.520 --> 00:16:30.877
>> that was all I did. And um if you if
you can let that get under your skin, like

00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:33.997
>> who knows if it let it get under his
skin. I mean, even if there was nothing

00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.197
going on, you might have still hit
him with that exact same punch. I think

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there's a there's a gap in experience
and there's a gap in striking ability. I

00:16:42.400 --> 00:16:45.677
mean, he obviously is an incredible
athlete and he's very good at being the

00:16:45.760 --> 00:16:49.357
hammer. You know, he can unload
combinations on guys. We've seen it, you

00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:52.397
know, we saw it in Dirty Boxing, but

00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:54.397
striking, you know, as well as anybody.

00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:58.717
It is a [__] complicated thing that takes
a long time to figure out. There's

00:16:58.800 --> 00:17:02.637
a lot of elements to it. There's a lot
of knowledge, foot placement, where to

00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:06.157
be, where not to be, what to do,
what not to do. You get caught doing

00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:09.997
something. You need a really good coach
to explain to you how you got caught and

00:17:10.080 --> 00:17:13.117
never get caught like that again because
you need to do this or you need to do

00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.317
that. Make sure your foot is outside
of the line. Make sure your head's off the

00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:18.637
center line. There's a bunch
of different [__] that takes [__]

00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:20.717
forever for your brain to absorb and

00:17:20.800 --> 00:17:26.077
then absorb to the point where you can
it just memory muscle memory inside of

00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:29.517
chaos and combat. >> I I truly
felt in flow state when I have

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like I I was not thinking like I didn't
go out like oh I'm going to throw the

00:17:32.320 --> 00:17:37.677
two or the the whole game plan was like
don't overrespect the wrestling and put

00:17:37.760 --> 00:17:40.637
hands on this [__] Like that was
that was that was the game plan.

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Like like obviously like I knew like he
might get the takedown but like I said I

00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:46.397
was just telling myself you're going
to get up. You're going to get up. You're

00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:48.717
going to [__] stay in his
face over and over again.

00:17:48.800 --> 00:17:52.477
>> I think a big flaw that he did in both
the first fight and the fight with you

00:17:52.560 --> 00:17:55.117
is I don't even think he
was thinking about taking you down.

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>> Yeah, >> which is really crazy.

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>> He's going to be shooting
his next fight. That's for sure.

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>> Yeah. Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah, I

00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:06.157
would imagine. I would imagine I
would imagine that would be a good

00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:09.117
idea. I mean, it's when it's your number
one skill set. It's crazy. It's like

00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:13.357
Wonderboy deciding not to kick.
Like what? But it's also cuz like he was

00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.877
getting praised like he like he he
was constantly being told like he's the

00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:20.397
greatest thing. He's knocking these guys
out. Even Dana like in after the press

00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:23.517
conference and in his first fight,
he was just like praising him like oh like

00:18:23.600 --> 00:18:26.637
he's he's striking with guys, knocking
guys out when he could be using his

00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:30.557
wrestling and like I think it just like
got to him. And when I when I knew I had

00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:35.197
him was when I saw he booked that RAF
fight during during the fight camp. He

00:18:35.280 --> 00:18:39.677
went and did an RAF fight like a few
weeks uh RAF wrestling match be a few

00:18:39.760 --> 00:18:42.397
weeks before our fight.
I was like, "This [__] is not taking me

00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.437
seriously. This [__] going to book
[__] rather." And I'm over there

00:18:45.520 --> 00:18:47.357
getting my ass beat [__] every day

00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:51.197
[__] with Sergey Spivok. Uh uh Bloy

00:18:51.280 --> 00:18:55.997
was was working with me. [__] Wan
Coutaba like and uh and and I had to

00:18:56.080 --> 00:18:59.277
wear my my head gear cuz my nose
was broken. That that and that thing was

00:18:59.360 --> 00:19:02.077
like suffocating me and these guys were
just putting me in the worst positions

00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:05.437
over and over again. Starting from
[__] bottom, [__] pick me up. Matt

00:19:05.520 --> 00:19:10.077
Return, slam me back down,
>> brother. That's what it felt.

00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:13.837
I love Rocky, man. And like
>> you're a Rocky story, man.

00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:17.037
>> You are a real life
Rocky story. 100%, man.

00:19:17.120 --> 00:19:20.797
>> It feels It feels real.
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details. That but even Rocky didn't
end that way. Like step in, boom, 12

00:20:15.760 --> 00:20:18.717
seconds. >> Crazy, man. Crazy.

00:20:18.800 --> 00:20:21.997
>> Really felt like it was it was just
karma and divine intervention cuz the

00:20:22.080 --> 00:20:23.677
way he was disrespecting me too, man. He

00:20:23.760 --> 00:20:26.317
call me a coward, saying like he's the

00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:31.037
reason that I'm there and [__] he uh
my hotel room is paid because of Gable

00:20:31.120 --> 00:20:33.997
Steven. What's up with him talking
in third person? I know maybe he was your

00:20:34.080 --> 00:20:37.997
boy and he was he was I saw him on here
before, but this dude's talking about in

00:20:38.080 --> 00:20:41.037
third person all the time. Like,
what the [__] is up with that? The third

00:20:41.120 --> 00:20:45.677
person stuff is very weird. You know who
used to do that, who I love, who used to

00:20:45.760 --> 00:20:47.197
do that all the time, is Roy Jones.

00:20:47.280 --> 00:20:50.477
>> Yeah, >> Roy Jones Jr. is going
to do what Roy Jones Jr. wants to do.

00:20:50.560 --> 00:20:54.397
>> Is he here right now? Is Roy in the
room with us? That's a strange thing that

00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:58.637
people do, that third person thing. It
is odd. It's It's like an elitist thing,

00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:01.197
you know? >> Yeah.
like he's he like I said he just

00:21:01.280 --> 00:21:04.717
think he's all that. So I'm just I'm
glad I could bring him back down to

00:21:04.800 --> 00:21:07.757
reality because like >> it's
probably good for him too if he

00:21:07.840 --> 00:21:12.157
decides to actually continue and pursue
his career and become a world champion.

00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:15.597
That might be a blessing in disguise
because it was a fight that allowed him

00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:17.997
to recognize that the skills that he has

00:21:18.080 --> 00:21:20.477
in wrestling other people have similar

00:21:20.560 --> 00:21:25.117
skills in striking and similar skills
in all the other aspects of MMA. And then

00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:28.477
you know you there's no shortcuts.
Just because you're a really good wrestler

00:21:28.560 --> 00:21:30.237
doesn't mean you're an elite kickboxer.

00:21:30.320 --> 00:21:33.517
You know, it just doesn't it doesn't
translate. You have to learn those

00:21:33.600 --> 00:21:35.837
things. Yes, sir. >> And you know,

00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:40.557
>> you a guy becomes amazing because
of his accomplishments, but before those

00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:43.117
accomplishments, you're
not necessarily amazing at

00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:46.557
>> and his accomplishments were all in a
completely different discipline. I mean,

00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:50.157
it translates. It's one of the most
important disciplines, probably the most

00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:54.797
important discipline for MMA if you use
it right. If you use it, it's probably

00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:58.877
like the ability to take a guy down and
control a guy, it stifles all striking,

00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:02.957
right? If a guy, if he just decided to
avoid you standing up and then shoot and

00:22:03.040 --> 00:22:06.797
he got you down, we're talking about
a whole different fight, right? 100%.

00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:10.797
>> Yeah, but when you get it in your head,
>> ain't no rematch, though, buddy.

00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:16.077
Everyone's like, "What's next? When's the
re [__] you?" You going to sleep with that

00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:19.517
[__] Motherfucker's not getting
his dick up for [__] weeks, man. I

00:22:19.600 --> 00:22:22.477
took his soul. You heard the whole David
Gogggins when he said that [__] He's

00:22:22.560 --> 00:22:25.997
like, "Yeah, you're not going to [__]
live with that for a little bit, bro."

00:22:26.080 --> 00:22:30.077
>> Well, psychologically, it's why would
you why would you schedule a rematch

00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:32.637
quickly, if at all? Like, there's no

00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:37.277
reason. First of all, on paper,
it's 12 seconds. It's not It's not like a

00:22:37.360 --> 00:22:39.037
controversial decision, right?

00:22:39.120 --> 00:22:42.797
Controversial decisions war in a rematch.
You know, really good war goes

00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:46.237
to the judges, could have gone
either way. That makes sense.

00:22:46.320 --> 00:22:48.557
>> 12 second knockouts
don't get rematches.

00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:52.637
That doesn't make any sense. That makes
zero sense. Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:56.877
He's going to have to figure out why
he's deciding to strike and then really

00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:00.717
tighten up his striking. He's going
to have to watch that film footage and see

00:23:00.800 --> 00:23:03.277
what he did wrong. >> You know,
there's a bunch of different

00:23:03.360 --> 00:23:07.277
striking analysts have broken down
the video and you know, you could see you

00:23:07.360 --> 00:23:12.237
did everything right and he didn't. Real
simple, you know, and he's a human and

00:23:12.320 --> 00:23:15.677
you're a big [__] and you got
a big [__] with a big left hook

00:23:15.760 --> 00:23:19.917
and you land that on virtually any human
being alive. You catch them on the chin

00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:23.597
like that where their head
snaps back like that.

00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:26.397
>> It's like 10 pounds of pressure. That's
all you need to tip the chin, right?

00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:29.197
>> Was a lot more than 10.

00:23:29.280 --> 00:23:31.677
>> I mean, he snapped his head back.

00:23:31.760 --> 00:23:36.237
>> But, you know, listen, guys have come
back from knockouts like that and become

00:23:36.320 --> 00:23:39.917
all-time greats. Look at Michael Bisping.
Michael Bisping gets flatlined

00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:43.037
by Henderson and then goes on to become
an all-time great and wins the

00:23:43.120 --> 00:23:46.557
middleweight title, knocks out Luke
Rockwell, defended it against Henderson.

00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:49.757
And I said it in my postfight interview
like I I I kept it classy. I was like,

00:23:49.840 --> 00:23:52.797
"Hey, look, like this is going to make
him better." Like there's a but like

00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:55.437
right now I'm on my victory lap and like
I'm going to talk some [__] cuz the

00:23:55.520 --> 00:23:59.357
[__] disrespected the [__] his whole
team disrespect like Jones driving

00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:02.717
around with him in the Mercedes like
tonight we collect a head, you know?

00:24:02.800 --> 00:24:06.637
Like bro what? Like come on Jones
like you of all people know not to

00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:08.717
underestimate someone. Like come on man.

00:24:08.800 --> 00:24:11.437
Like >> well John's a different guy.
He's a different

00:24:11.520 --> 00:24:14.397
>> but they made him they made him
think that he was next Jon Jones.

00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:17.997
>> I know. And Jon Jones is a different
[__] I've studied Jon Jones my whole

00:24:18.080 --> 00:24:21.917
[__] life, man. Like like you saw
the picture with me and him like that we

00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:24.957
took and I was like this is going to be
I was like this is going to be my exam,

00:24:25.040 --> 00:24:27.677
you know. >> And um I can
even show you the DMs that

00:24:27.760 --> 00:24:30.397
I've sent I'm like [__] I told him
like this was going to happen you know

00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:35.677
for him to be there [__] front row >>
and then that viral reaction of oh my

00:24:35.760 --> 00:24:38.317
goodness. >> It's crazy.
I mean that's unreal.

00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:40.877
>> Yeah. You can't pretend that you're the

00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:42.877
guy that you're hanging out with. That's

00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:47.917
that's a bad thing. Yeah, John is a very
unique athlete, though. I mean, he's

00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:50.077
he's a one of one. >> He's the goat.

00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:53.197
>> I mean, what he did to serial gone,
I just watched that fight again. It's

00:24:53.280 --> 00:24:56.797
[__] insane. Serial never touched him.
He got a hold of Cirill, dragged

00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.997
him to the ground, strangled him, tap tap.
That's it. That's a wrap. Walked

00:25:00.080 --> 00:25:01.677
away, didn't get scratched. >> Yeah.

00:25:01.760 --> 00:25:04.317
>> And then now you have serial guns,
the heavyweight champion of the world. And

00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:07.997
you see what he did to Pereira. You see
what he did at least in the first round

00:25:08.080 --> 00:25:12.557
before the eye pokes to Aspenol. It's
like Sir Gan's a special athlete and Jon

00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:15.037
made him look unspecial. >> Yeah.

00:25:15.120 --> 00:25:19.357
>> But Gable's not that. He's not the same
guy. He's not that guy. You know, takes

00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:21.517
a long [__] time to be Jon Jones.

00:25:21.600 --> 00:25:26.237
Also, when Jon Jones became Jon Jones,
he became Jon Jones slowly. I mean, it

00:25:26.320 --> 00:25:30.797
was quick in terms of like he was the
quickest ever to become Yeah. I think 22

00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.997
became the youngest ever UFC champion, but

00:25:34.080 --> 00:25:37.037
>> but there's a long process in getting

00:25:37.120 --> 00:25:39.117
there. like he didn't have that. He

00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:42.637
fought Gus Mauv, he fought um he he

00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.437
fought Guskov, he fought um Stefan

00:25:45.520 --> 00:25:47.517
Bonner, he fought a bunch of guys and

00:25:47.600 --> 00:25:50.637
started looking like like this guy must

00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:52.557
might be something very unique. Yeah.

00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.197
>> And then he beats Shogun and wins the

00:25:55.280 --> 00:26:00.557
title and then just goes on this
just [__] epic legendary tear.

00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.197
>> And just the people he beat like
>> Yeah, he beat everybody. He beat

00:26:03.280 --> 00:26:07.197
everybody and he beat everybody when he
wasn't training. I I have a a photo of

00:26:07.280 --> 00:26:12.157
like that from that expo with he signed
with it's like Machito unconscious and

00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.917
he's like like [__] I've had
that in my room [__] forever.

00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:19.597
>> That was one of the coldest victories
in the history of the sport. He chokes

00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:21.677
Macha unconscious and then drops him.

00:26:21.760 --> 00:26:25.917
>> Yeah. >> Just standing up. Choked him
unconscious. Dropped him and just walked

00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:29.117
away. >> It's [__] cold.
>> Just falls down in a heap.

00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:33.357
>> Cold, man. >> Cold.
But you know that's the problem.

00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:35.917
you know, you're hanging out with a guy
who's the goat and you start thinking

00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:40.157
you're the next guy. Like, >> you
might be, you could be if you do the

00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:44.717
right things, but if you believe it
before it happens, like, you have to be

00:26:44.800 --> 00:26:47.117
cautious, but also confident. Like,

00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:51.917
there's this dance of the mind. There's
so much going on to be an elite fighter.

00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:56.557
You, you know, you have to be aware that
you could look at Camaro Usman beating

00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.717
Leon Edwards for four rounds. All of a

00:26:58.800 --> 00:27:03.757
sudden, one head kick, boom, lost
the title. Never the same guy again. Yeah,

00:27:03.840 --> 00:27:06.717
>> cuz you're human. >> Yeah,
>> you're [__] human being. Like, as

00:27:06.800 --> 00:27:09.437
tough as Camaro is,
he's a [__] human being.

00:27:09.520 --> 00:27:13.357
>> And it's just this wild dance
of possibilities. But it's also one of the

00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:17.997
reasons why people love the sport so much.
Like what you did elevated the

00:27:18.080 --> 00:27:22.957
whole sport. It really did because when
you can see a guy who's a giant favorite

00:27:23.040 --> 00:27:26.557
and everybody's thinking he is the and I
thought like this guy has a potential to

00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.757
be an all-time great like he's
an Olympic gold medalist. We've seen that

00:27:29.840 --> 00:27:33.837
before. You get a guy who's an elite
wrestler like Daniel Cormier. There's a

00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.677
lot of examples of guys who elite
wrestlers who become alltime great.

00:27:37.760 --> 00:27:42.717
Randy Couture, >> you changed everything.
Changed everything. One Punch went boom.

00:27:42.800 --> 00:27:46.477
>> Crazy. >> Yeah. >> Crazy.
One P. One Punch could really

00:27:46.560 --> 00:27:49.197
change your life. And they say, "No, I'm

00:27:49.280 --> 00:27:51.917
>> I I feel amazing. I feel incredible.

00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.277
Like just the fact I'm here." Like
this is another thing I haven't like I

00:27:55.360 --> 00:27:59.357
learned more from your podcast than I
have the entire public education system.

00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:03.837
Like, brother, I would sit on post cuz
I was an embassy security guard and we

00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.357
would be on duty and I would just have
your podcast playing in the background

00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:09.597
and I would listen to all your guests.

00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.637
Like I started learning about
the subconscious mind like through like

00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.597
Billy Carson and like another guy 19

00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.557
keys uh Joe Despensza some of these and

00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:23.117
like like all of that like it it really
has helped mold me into who I am just

00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.317
like from the types like you had I don't
I don't know all the names but you had

00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.677
the guests on sleep hubman like bro like

00:28:29.760 --> 00:28:32.637
it's just so so many variables like that

00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:36.797
you've brought that like you you are
truly like educating so many people like

00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.997
with what you've done man it's [__]
well I'm Happy you enjoyed it. I'm happy

00:28:40.080 --> 00:28:41.517
it helped you and I'm
happy I get to do it.

00:28:41.600 --> 00:28:44.797
>> The fight companions I was s I would
sit on post and [__] went watch Fight

00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.957
Companions and you [__] Eddie Bravo
and [__] >> It's cool, man. It's [__] It's

00:28:49.040 --> 00:28:52.637
awesome. >> It's cool that you're here
right now and in celebration, you know?

00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.197
>> Yeah. >> Kind of wild.
>> Yeah, really wild.

00:28:55.280 --> 00:28:59.357
>> So, like we were saying before, like
these big moments, they're so big they

00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.717
can kind of overwhelm you. I think
you're very wise and that you want to

00:29:02.800 --> 00:29:04.797
like let the dust settle
before you do anything.

00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.437
>> Yes. >> But just let
yourself come back to normal.

00:29:07.520 --> 00:29:11.757
>> Yeah. Well, you you are on a [__]
psychedelic roller coaster ride.

00:29:11.840 --> 00:29:14.477
>> And I can't even chill. Like everyone's
like [__] They're already texting me

00:29:14.560 --> 00:29:15.837
like, "Oh, you went Hollywood on us."

00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:21.117
Like, bro, what the [__] bro? It's been
like 5 days, dog. He's like, "Oh, like

00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.997
you switched up, man." >> Well,
people want you to switch up.

00:29:24.080 --> 00:29:26.557
That's a narrative that you're going
to have to deal with that people want. Oh,

00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:31.357
you [__] changed. People Some people
do not want you to succeed. That is a

00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:35.917
fact because when you succeed,
especially succeed in a spectacular way,

00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:39.277
>> they compare themselves to you and
they fall short and they don't like it.

00:29:39.360 --> 00:29:42.717
People do not like when people hyper
succeed. That is going to be a problem.

00:29:42.800 --> 00:29:45.757
People want you to fall.
>> It's going to be a problem. It's a

00:29:45.840 --> 00:29:48.317
problem with every champion, every every

00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.197
celebrity, every superstar in music and

00:29:51.280 --> 00:29:55.917
comedy and movies and acting and they
want you to fall because there's a

00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.837
certain type of psychology that there's
a certain psychological mindset that

00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:03.437
some people have where they look
at people who are doing better than them

00:30:03.520 --> 00:30:07.357
and they compare themselves and they
want that person to fail. And so they'll

00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:08.797
pretend you're something you're not.

00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.877
They'll create narratives that aren't
real. They you win Hollywood, bro. You

00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:16.877
[__] sold out. you [__] sold out and >>
and you're going to have to deal with

00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.237
that, too. But that's just [__]
There's a world filled with [__] and

00:30:20.320 --> 00:30:22.557
some [__] they have loud voices.

00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:24.317
>> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. It's okay.

00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:27.357
>> Yeah. So, that's what I'm navigating
right now is just like trying to [__]

00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:29.917
like like a part of me is like trying to
get back to everyone, but the other part

00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.957
of me is like, "Bro, like, can you just
understand?" Like even like I go from

00:30:33.040 --> 00:30:35.917
like doing all the interviews. I had
like interviews all day and then I would

00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.797
go home and like my family wants to talk
to me about what's going on and like

00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:41.997
[__] I'm like, "Bro, like I just want
to go walk my dog, man." [__] like

00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:45.437
and then I'm like walk I did the Bisbing
interview and I was like walking my dog.

00:30:45.520 --> 00:30:48.877
He's like can like can you make sure you
have good connection? I'm like bro like

00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:53.597
I'm walking my dog man. Y'all want
the interview or not, bro? [__] you. [__]

00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:57.517
>> It's more important to walk your dog
because I'm I'm going to shout out my

00:30:57.600 --> 00:30:59.437
dog Apollo. He's a German Shepherd, man.

00:30:59.520 --> 00:31:03.037
Because like this dude I got I got him
when I got up boot camp. I'm sorry, out

00:31:03.120 --> 00:31:06.317
of the Marines. And he was he's been
with me for like the past he's seven

00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:11.037
now. He's about to be eight. And like
this dude like bro like broke like so

00:31:11.120 --> 00:31:14.877
many meals with him. Like I moved out
to Vegas two years ago by myself. There he

00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:17.517
is. Yeah. That's my [__] boy, man.

00:31:17.600 --> 00:31:20.637
And uh and like this dude has seen it

00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.357
all, man. Like I like that like I had my

00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:28.077
[__] knee surgeries. Uh and I had
to drive myself to PT [__] two days

00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.917
posttop. Like nobody nobody wanted
to [__] take me to the PI and [__] bro.

00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:35.517
And I was like trying to walk my dog and
[__] and like all that [__] that that's

00:31:35.600 --> 00:31:38.477
why I was telling you earlier, man.
And I'm just like, bro, like it's such a

00:31:38.560 --> 00:31:42.237
like I don't want to say a fake game,
but it's just like they only love you

00:31:42.320 --> 00:31:46.077
when you're hot. Like when [__] Ki
got knocked out by Holloway, he wasn't

00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:49.357
[__] hot. But then [__] he goes
and wins this, he's hot. Then [__]

00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:53.597
Max Holloway gets knocked by Ily [__] hot.
Now Strickland Chamaya [__]

00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:56.397
Pereira. It's like that's the game.
It's the hurt business, you know? And then

00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.917
when when they're done with you,
you [__] I'm like, bro, [__]

00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.797
>> I just upset the world. [__]

00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:07.197
changed the the the dynamic like you said.
united the MMA community and I was

00:32:07.280 --> 00:32:11.277
like, "Bro, [__] what more do I
[__] want?" I did it at home. [__]

00:32:11.360 --> 00:32:14.637
walked out to Nipy Hustle, man. That
was my dream, brother. Like, [__] that

00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:18.717
was like >> everything.
Hustle and motivate by Nipy Hustle.

00:32:18.800 --> 00:32:21.437
>> Nice. >> Yeah.
>> Nice. >> That was one.

00:32:21.520 --> 00:32:24.717
>> Wow. Wow, man. >> But then
the other people are like, "No,

00:32:24.800 --> 00:32:28.157
no, he's a [__] He's [__] He's
a lucky punch and he wants to fuck."

00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:29.517
>> There's no such thing as a lucky punch.

00:32:29.600 --> 00:32:33.117
Anybody says that's a [__] or they
don't know any better or they think

00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:35.757
there's a thing you think you could say
to diminish someone's accomplishment.

00:32:35.840 --> 00:32:37.997
That's all it is. There's no lucky punch.

00:32:38.080 --> 00:32:40.077
>> You're fighting a world class athlete.

00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:41.677
You stepped in. You threw a left hook.

00:32:41.760 --> 00:32:45.437
It was perfect. That's not lucky. That's
exactly what you wanted to do and you

00:32:45.520 --> 00:32:49.117
did it. If you had your eyes closed
and you're falling backwards and you went

00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.397
like that, >> caught him
on the chin. Okay, maybe

00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.037
that's a lucky punch.
But you still threw a punch.

00:32:55.120 --> 00:32:58.877
>> You know, that's a much more fortunate
punch. I would say there's nothing lucky

00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.637
about the punch you threw. >> Yeah.

00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:02.877
>> Nothing lucky. You wanted to hit them
on the chin. You hit them on the chin.

00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:05.197
>> Thank you for clarifying.
>> [__] those people.

00:33:05.280 --> 00:33:09.037
>> But that's this this thing about people
only love you when you're hot. That's

00:33:09.120 --> 00:33:12.877
always going to be the case. That's
just how it is in the world. There's no

00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.797
there's no way around that, man. That's
just people are always judging people on

00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.837
status. They're always judging people
on their their their place in the

00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.237
hierarchy. We're chimpanzees, you know?

00:33:22.320 --> 00:33:25.437
We're like complicated chimps. And that's
how we look at it. Who's the big

00:33:25.520 --> 00:33:29.037
chimp? Who's top chimp? Oh, you're
not top chimp anymore. You [__] up. You

00:33:29.120 --> 00:33:33.597
[__] loser. [__] you. And you know,
you go on like someone's Instagram like

00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:37.997
after they had a loss, man.
>> I've seen guys go on, you know, get

00:33:38.080 --> 00:33:42.877
knocked out or get beat and then you go on
their Instagram and the horrific comments

00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.757
>> from these people that have
never done jack [__] in their lives.

00:33:45.840 --> 00:33:49.837
>> Before the fight, the guys were [__]
bru. Like, this guy got lost to Topa.

00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.677
This guy [__] 0 and2 [__] like,
bro, they were going in on me.

00:33:53.760 --> 00:33:56.957
>> Hey man, look at Charles Olivera. Yeah,
>> I always say look at Charles Alvivera,

00:33:57.040 --> 00:34:00.397
one of the all-time greats,
and he went on a a

00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.557
>> there was a a lot of times where he had
this [__] reputation for being a quitter.

00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:06.397
>> Like people, he lost a bunch of times.

00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.917
Cub Swanson knocked him out. Paul Felder
beat the [__] out of him. All these

00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.717
people beat him >> and then
he got it together somehow and

00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:16.797
became undeniable and became a world

00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:19.597
champion. Like this idea that like one

00:34:19.680 --> 00:34:24.397
loss defines you is silly. And it's only
the only people that say that are people

00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.357
that don't know what the [__] they're
talking about. And this is part of the

00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.957
problem with the the comment sphere, the

00:34:31.040 --> 00:34:35.037
world of people that could just chime
in as experts when they literally have

00:34:35.120 --> 00:34:38.317
never done anything in their [__] life.
That's a lot of people never

00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:41.837
really accomplished anything great.
And they're talking about people that are

00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.957
trying to do one of the most difficult

00:34:45.040 --> 00:34:48.717
things in all of the world. become a

00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:52.957
professional combat sports athlete
at the highest level with the whole world

00:34:53.040 --> 00:34:54.957
watching you, millions of people on

00:34:55.040 --> 00:34:58.237
Paramount Plus, 16,000 people in the

00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:02.477
[__] crypto dome or whatever the [__]
that place is called, the whole thing is

00:35:02.560 --> 00:35:06.397
nuts, man. >> And for you
to be able to do that,

00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:10.797
>> I feel like you're you're better
off just not reading anything, not not

00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.197
talking to anybody,
just go silent for a while. Just

00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:19.757
>> let let the dust settle. Let the
vibrations end. It's like somebody just

00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:25.240
banged a gong and you
got to wait for that bong.

00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:27.997
>> You got to wait
for that to go back to sleep.

00:35:28.080 --> 00:35:29.437
>> This is the most
important podcast. Like

00:35:29.520 --> 00:35:32.637
you said, you said do it this day.
I'm like, I'm here. [__] yeah.

00:35:32.720 --> 00:35:35.117
>> Well, you said it in the interview.
You said, "I want to do your podcast." I

00:35:35.200 --> 00:35:37.117
said, "Fuck yeah." I'm so glad I did.

00:35:37.200 --> 00:35:40.877
Few times I ever swear during
an interview, too. It just came out. I

00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.037
said, "Fuck yeah." Cuz it was just so
crazy. It was like, "How do you not have

00:35:45.120 --> 00:35:48.637
you on after that? you did something
incredibly special, you know,

00:35:48.720 --> 00:35:52.477
>> and I appreciate you letting me finish
the prayer cuz like I could feel the the

00:35:52.560 --> 00:35:54.477
crowd's like, "Uh, what's going on?"

00:35:54.560 --> 00:35:57.197
This guy started talking Arabic.

00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.517
>> Is your moment?
I wanted to ask I didn't

00:35:59.600 --> 00:36:02.237
want to I did want to ask you, but I
didn't want to prolong it. What was the

00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:05.757
prayer? What were you saying?
>> Uh, so that's fat is basically the

00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:09.277
opening uh opening prayer of the Quran,
and it's basically like you say that for

00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.517
the dead. Uh, and you say it during

00:36:11.600 --> 00:36:14.317
whenever you pray every day. And um

00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:18.557
that's one of the the only only verses
of the Quran that have me I've had

00:36:18.640 --> 00:36:21.517
memorized since I was a kid cuz you
can see I'm not I'm not a very perfect

00:36:21.600 --> 00:36:24.557
Muslim, you know. I'm very tied up like
people have been seeing my gambling and

00:36:24.640 --> 00:36:27.437
all that and all. But that's the thing,
man. There's so many Muslims that like

00:36:27.520 --> 00:36:32.877
hide hide [__] too, you know, and like
I just I don't want to conform to one or

00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.597
the other, you know? That's why I
was just I kind of put all my stuff out

00:36:35.680 --> 00:36:39.037
there, you know, and um that was just
a prayer for my dad because uh he he

00:36:39.120 --> 00:36:42.877
passed away when I was 15 and I kind
of navigated this whole process without a

00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:45.597
father, you know. That's why the Marine
Corps was so important to me cuz like

00:36:45.680 --> 00:36:49.117
they taught me how to tie my tie, how
to shave my face, how to press my uniform,

00:36:49.200 --> 00:36:51.037
you know, like how to even speak and and

00:36:51.120 --> 00:36:53.997
and articulate myself. Like um I'm so

00:36:54.080 --> 00:36:59.117
grateful for that. And uh yeah, but a
big part of of of me getting here was

00:36:59.200 --> 00:37:03.757
losing my father, you know, that kind
of pushed me a lot. I saw someone online

00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:08.077
calling you an anti-American and I
was like what? Because he has a Muslim

00:37:08.160 --> 00:37:10.557
prayer for his father. How crazy is

00:37:10.640 --> 00:37:15.197
that? America is supposed to be
a melting pot of everybody.

00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:18.797
>> Yeah. >> All religions,
all walks of life, all

00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:22.157
places in the world, all come
to here and become American.

00:37:22.240 --> 00:37:24.477
>> The idea that you can't be an American.

00:37:24.560 --> 00:37:27.117
Don't you have like stars
and stripes tattooed on your arm?

00:37:27.200 --> 00:37:30.557
>> America tattooed around my [__] bro.

00:37:30.640 --> 00:37:34.317
It's there's no nuances anymore. Like
they're like, "Oh, like if you support

00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.997
Palestine, then you can't be [__] a
Marine. And if you're a Marine, it's [__]

00:37:38.080 --> 00:37:39.917
>> Well, that's crazy.
>> It's just like, bro, like

00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.397
>> that's crazy.
Well, there again, there's

00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:44.477
too many voices. There's too much noise.

00:37:44.560 --> 00:37:48.397
And that's what's going to be really
important for you from now on is like

00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:52.957
because you've become very famous,
very quickly, is to surround yourself with

00:37:53.040 --> 00:37:54.717
people of character, you know?

00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:56.317
>> Where where am I
going to find them, John?"

00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:58.477
>> That's a good question. Cuz I've been,
like I'm saying, I've been on this

00:37:58.560 --> 00:38:02.797
journey [__] by myself for a very long
time. And uh and like now it's like

00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.357
snakes in the grass. They're all
appearing like, "Oh, like let me manage

00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.557
you. Let me help you. Like we we'll
sponsor you. We'll do this. We'll do

00:38:08.640 --> 00:38:11.917
that. We" And I'm just like, >> "But
listen, part part of that is a good

00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.437
thing. Like these are opportunities that
come out of success, right? So it's like

00:38:15.520 --> 00:38:18.077
you could say they're taking advantage
of you, but no, it's like there's a

00:38:18.160 --> 00:38:22.397
moment that happened. You elevated.
You became something new. And now here you

00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.237
are in this new stratosphere of life.

00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.877
And you have to, you know, it's good.

00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:30.077
It's good that they want to sponsor you
now. Why would they want to sponsor you

00:38:30.160 --> 00:38:34.077
before? You got to realize it. Like you're
0 and two in the UFC. That's how it is.

00:38:34.160 --> 00:38:36.717
>> That's fair. >> It's also,
we've talked about this a

00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.437
thousand times in the broadcast. The
difference between the regional circuit

00:38:39.520 --> 00:38:43.677
in the UFC is gigantic. And once you get
into the UFC, the reality of it all, the

00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.517
experience is overwhelming. And it takes
a few fights for a guy to really show

00:38:47.600 --> 00:38:51.277
who he is. You see it over and over
and over again. It takes a few of those

00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:55.757
experiences inside that octagon where
you just develop the ability to settle

00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:57.437
and then show your true skills. Yeah.

00:38:57.520 --> 00:38:58.957
>> And some guys, they never get there.

00:38:59.040 --> 00:39:03.597
Some guys, they're phenomenal
in training camp, phenomenal in the gym,

00:39:03.680 --> 00:39:05.677
even excellent in the regional circuit.

00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.437
They get to the bright lights of the big
show, and they just can't be themselves.

00:39:09.520 --> 00:39:11.997
>> Yeah. And that was the thing. This is
my first That was my first arena fight.

00:39:12.080 --> 00:39:13.757
Like my my last two were in the Apex.

00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:17.037
>> Oh, wow.
So it was just like complete like

00:39:17.120 --> 00:39:21.197
>> opposite like from like it felt like
a sparring match in the Apex and going out

00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:25.357
to there. It was just like but I feel
like I performed better in in in under

00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:29.597
pressure like that like like when like
there's millions of people watching and

00:39:29.680 --> 00:39:33.757
like the stakes are the highest and it's
like it's like do or die like [__]

00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:37.917
I'm 0 and2 like you know there's a high
high chance [__] three losses like I

00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:40.877
was on the chopping block. That was I
was looking at you. They were they were

00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:45.037
telling me like, "Oh, they won't cut you."
[__] But I was like, "Fucking.

00:39:45.120 --> 00:39:46.237
I'm not gonna leave it a chance."

00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:49.837
>> If you fight hard as a heavyweight,
you have a very good chance they won't cut

00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:54.157
you because the heavyweight division
is insanely shallow. It's really shallow.

00:39:54.240 --> 00:39:56.157
>> I really hope they
don't cut Tai. I saw him.

00:39:56.240 --> 00:40:00.797
>> Ty. Yeah, I know. >> He put up a [__]
tough fight, man. He fought so hard.

00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.557
>> He's so fun. But I hate seeing that guy
keep taking all these punches. Like,

00:40:04.640 --> 00:40:07.037
he's had seven losses in a row now.

00:40:07.120 --> 00:40:10.237
hate. >> Yeah. >> You know,
and some of them are just like, geez.

00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:11.197
>> And that's the thing,
like you just want

00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:14.077
to go out on top. Everyone's just like,
"Oh, let me just [__] win one. I just

00:40:14.160 --> 00:40:17.037
want to win one. I just want like Tony
Ferguson." Like, like everyone is just

00:40:17.120 --> 00:40:18.797
like, >> and that's where
I'm just like right now

00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:22.397
I'm just like, "Fuck, man." Like, >>
does it really get bigger than this? You

00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.277
know, like upsetting the [__] MMA world.
Like, sure. Like, what are they

00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.317
going to give me a [__] Hulkit fight
for the title next? Like, what's like

00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.557
what? He got to jump all the way up.

00:40:30.640 --> 00:40:32.157
>> He jumped all the way
up in a lot of way.

00:40:32.240 --> 00:40:34.877
>> Let's get Vulov the disrespect, man.

00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:38.717
Over Vulov. [__] But that's what that's
where we're in now. It's all about

00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:40.237
entertainment. What sells fights.

00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.477
>> Well, he's very marketable. You know,

00:40:42.560 --> 00:40:45.437
obviously he uh talks a lot of [__] And

00:40:45.520 --> 00:40:47.837
it's look, it is a strategy on his part.

00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.837
I've talked to him. He's a normal dude
in real life. He's a nice guy. Talk to

00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.717
him in real life. But he's realized like

00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:59.597
there's a way to get eyes
on you and that is to be crazy.

00:40:59.680 --> 00:41:01.837
>> Oh, it's totally fake.
I mean, he'll tell you it's fake.

00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.077
>> I did it by being real. >> You did?

00:41:04.160 --> 00:41:07.437
>> Yeah, it's true. I mean, look.
You don't have to do it that way.

00:41:07.520 --> 00:41:10.077
>> But also, you know, he's had three
fights in the UFC and he's fighting for

00:41:10.160 --> 00:41:11.997
the title. >> Yeah. >> For him.

00:41:12.080 --> 00:41:14.877
>> You know what I'm saying?
>> It's crazy. But

00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.117
>> Sarah better beat him, man. [__] >>
Well, serial is a hard dude to figure

00:41:19.200 --> 00:41:21.197
out. He's a different kind of cat.

00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:25.837
That's That [__] moves different
than everybody else. You know, we were

00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:30.637
talking about this. I think basketball
might be a really good start starting

00:41:30.720 --> 00:41:34.397
point for MMA. Like if you can
get really good at basketball, the

00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:38.157
difference is you're a big person first
of all and then for heavyweights in

00:41:38.240 --> 00:41:42.477
particular and you're doing constant
plyometrics like basketball is

00:41:42.560 --> 00:41:46.317
plyometrics, right? You're moving
this way, you're jumping, you're leaping

00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.077
forward, there's all these like changes

00:41:48.160 --> 00:41:50.717
of angle and direction that comes up

00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:55.437
very much in fighting, especially if
you can change direction quickly in the

00:41:55.520 --> 00:42:00.317
middle of a combination, which serial can.
Like you see the serial taiuasa fight.

00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.157
>> Yeah. Incredible performance, right?

00:42:02.240 --> 00:42:03.277
>> His footwork is just unreal.

00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:07.437
>> Footwork's out of control, man. His
footwork's unreal. And against Pereira,

00:42:07.520 --> 00:42:11.677
you saw how that translates against
a guy as big as him. You know, that

00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:14.157
footwork is a that's
a [__] real problem, man.

00:42:14.240 --> 00:42:15.197
>> What did you think about those back of

00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:16.957
the head shots, do you think?

00:42:17.040 --> 00:42:21.837
>> I watched it and I know that um Pereira

00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.797
is blaming Herb Dean. The problem is

00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:27.917
he's moving and it's chaos. The really

00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.797
egregious foul is the Tom Aspenol fouls.

00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:32.637
That's the very egregious fouls, the eye

00:42:32.720 --> 00:42:35.357
pokes. Those are egregious. Those are

00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.557
just fingers out in the eyeballs. Those

00:42:38.640 --> 00:42:42.877
are bad. I'm of the opinion the moment
that happens, they should take a point

00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:45.037
away instantly. Instantaneously. Your

00:42:45.120 --> 00:42:46.797
fingers goes in a guy's eye, take a

00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:52.077
point away. You nutshot a guy. Unless
it's a diversion. Like sometimes like

00:42:52.160 --> 00:42:56.717
you'll kick and it'll kick someone's shin
and then it'll foot will go into the nuts.

00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.957
>> Accident clearly. But if you just
kick a guy in the nuts, one point.

00:43:01.040 --> 00:43:05.917
>> You grab a fence, one point. Let's stop
all this. Let's stop all this. There's

00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.037
two ways to stop that.
>> Another ways you got to figure out how

00:43:09.120 --> 00:43:12.557
to cover the fingers. I I think people
are strategizing that now where like

00:43:12.640 --> 00:43:17.117
they know like [__] oh if I if I
poke Pokemon I like [__] the damage is

00:43:17.200 --> 00:43:20.237
going to be done and like I got the advant
like sure maybe even take a point

00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:22.157
like [__] but the damage is already

00:43:22.240 --> 00:43:24.157
done. That happened to me in my my pro

00:43:24.240 --> 00:43:27.437
debut. The guy was like dipping his head

00:43:27.520 --> 00:43:31.597
down and [__] coming up with the overhand
and when he popped his head, he

00:43:31.680 --> 00:43:34.477
just [__] headbutted me around
the chin and like >> on purpose

00:43:34.560 --> 00:43:37.997
>> cuz he kept doing it. But like the ref
didn't even see it and I like I got a

00:43:38.080 --> 00:43:42.317
little wobbles and stuff and um but if
I didn't finish him like I could have

00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.197
gotten screwed, you know,
like [__] nobody catches that stuff.

00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.597
>> Well, Pantosia accused Joshua Van
of that in their fight and I think he

00:43:49.680 --> 00:43:52.477
thought that Joshua Van was doing that,
but I don't think that was what was

00:43:52.560 --> 00:43:57.037
going on at all. I think he was just
getting frustrated that Joshua Van was

00:43:57.120 --> 00:44:00.557
was moving ahead and the fight was >>
in this last one. I didn't even get to

00:44:00.640 --> 00:44:04.477
watch it. It was >> it
was a [__] masterclass,

00:44:04.560 --> 00:44:08.237
>> you know, cuz Joshua Van, he won
the title, but it was from an injury, you

00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:12.237
know, Pentosia threw the head kick,
falls backwards, breaks his arm. That's

00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:13.997
the fight. It happened really quickly.

00:44:14.080 --> 00:44:17.837
And so it was a very >> Yeah.
>> You know, it was a fluke. Yeah.

00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:20.717
>> Anticlimactic. It was It was an injury.

00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:24.397
We don't know how the fight would have
played out if they had gone. But then

00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:28.317
you see him against Tatsuro Tyra. He
looked like a world champion. He beat he

00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:30.237
defended the title. And then against

00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.477
Pantosia, he just put on a masterclass,

00:44:32.560 --> 00:44:35.757
man. His [__] boxing was so sweet.

00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:39.597
Like Joshua Van is something special,
man. That that kid gets better every

00:44:39.680 --> 00:44:41.917
single time he fights. Every sing. And

00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.117
so Panto's like 25, right?

00:44:45.200 --> 00:44:49.037
>> Yeah. He's he's he's the real thing,
man. He's something special. He's

00:44:49.120 --> 00:44:52.317
something real special. And I feel like
next time you see him fight after he

00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.677
just beat Pantoia, who's one of the
greatest flyweights of all time, and

00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:59.277
just beat him decisively. After he beat
Pantoia, I think he's going to be even

00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.237
better next time. I mean, he was talking
in the press conference. He was upset

00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.677
about his victory. He said, "Man,
look at my face." He goes, he goes, "That

00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:07.277
dude shouldn't be touching me like this."

00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:08.557
>> That's what makes you a champion.

00:45:08.640 --> 00:45:13.597
>> Exactly. Exactly. >> But,
you know, his path and your path,

00:45:13.680 --> 00:45:16.637
they're very different paths. And
everyone has to decide where they're at

00:45:16.720 --> 00:45:19.197
in their life. And if you're at this point
where you're like, I don't know if

00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.237
I want to do this anymore.
I could just go out with that.

00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:23.597
>> Well, I just want
to know why I'm doing.

00:45:23.680 --> 00:45:26.557
That's what I need to go out and find
that answer because I'm like, if it's

00:45:26.640 --> 00:45:31.517
just the money, like I I did option
trading when I during COVID, like I used

00:45:31.600 --> 00:45:34.397
to be a personal trainer when I got out
of the the Marines and then I started

00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.677
getting into option trading to learn
how to make money digitally and like I

00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:39.197
started making like six figures during

00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:42.157
the whole AMC and GameStop and Tesla

00:45:42.240 --> 00:45:46.477
[__] pops and all that stuff. And um
that's like one and I want to do like

00:45:46.560 --> 00:45:49.997
private security as well. I I did a few
of that like I would go work with some

00:45:50.080 --> 00:45:53.677
of the high rollers in casinos. I just
do private security and like I could

00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:57.197
find ways to make money. I got GI Bill
benefits that I like I go to school and

00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:02.157
like like do so for me I'm like if it's
just the money like I could find a way

00:46:02.240 --> 00:46:06.637
to make money without getting
[__] my head my brain smashed.

00:46:06.720 --> 00:46:11.677
the title. Yeah, but I mean [__] cool
UFC title. But like then it's like oh

00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:14.797
you're not a champion until you defend
the title and then it's like [__] oh

00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.517
and then then there's this guy coming
up and this guy and it's just like this

00:46:17.600 --> 00:46:20.637
never ending. It's not until you're [__]

00:46:20.720 --> 00:46:24.557
old and beaten up and [__] they see
you [__] down. Like that's that's the

00:46:24.640 --> 00:46:27.677
business, man. So >> that is true.
And if you talk to some of

00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:31.677
these guys that stayed in too long
and you know they're slurring their words

00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:35.277
and you see how broken they are,
they're have a difficult time walking and

00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:37.197
sitting down. It's a struggle.

00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:38.157
>> Yeah. >> Yeah.

00:46:38.240 --> 00:46:41.117
>> My whole my whole MMA career cuz I got

00:46:41.200 --> 00:46:44.397
out in 2018 and I I sent an email to

00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:48.957
Pillo and uh Orange County and Ruka and
uh it was basically just trial by fire.

00:46:49.040 --> 00:46:51.997
I was just sparring all the pros.
Luke Rockhold, Michael Bisbing, [__] Sean

00:46:52.080 --> 00:46:56.077
Strickland came [__] was dropping me
as an amateur. Like I [__] just would

00:46:56.160 --> 00:46:59.437
been sparring over and then I went
out to Tiger and [__] I moved out to

00:46:59.520 --> 00:47:03.677
Thailand was doing sparring out there
and I was just been even got to extreme

00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.517
and [__] they I I was sparring
Francis and Gano my first week, bro. My

00:47:07.600 --> 00:47:10.397
first week they threw me in there
with Anguo but it was the most terrifying

00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:15.357
[__] of my [__] life, bro. I went
to the Apex and reassess my life choices

00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:17.917
after that, bro.
Like I was I was just like

00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:21.037
>> And so when you talking about guys that
are staying too long like bro like I've

00:47:21.120 --> 00:47:24.077
just been sparring and that maybe that's
where my lack of development is, you

00:47:24.160 --> 00:47:28.397
know, cuz I I never focused on like just
the footwork and never focused on just

00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:32.477
uh that getting better at like thinking,
you know, it was always just this primal

00:47:32.560 --> 00:47:35.437
feeling of just like like I've been in
street fights, you know, and like I just

00:47:35.520 --> 00:47:37.597
[__] start picking it up as I go.

00:47:37.680 --> 00:47:42.077
>> That's interesting. So do you have
a main coach? Do you have a head coach

00:47:42.160 --> 00:47:45.917
that just develops you? No,
>> it's I bounced around a lot of gyms.

00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:50.717
Like I started Pillo, I went with Nick,
I went to Freestyle MMA, I went to Pada.

00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.677
I've bounced around like so many and like
because I' i've always been looking

00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.557
for the the cuss and Mick, the [__]

00:47:56.640 --> 00:48:01.277
custom Tyson, the Rocky and Mick
and like the like Trevor and and and Gachi

00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:04.877
and like, bro, like that doesn't
come unless you're [__] Hollywood now.

00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.917
Like [__] like now, sure, maybe
I'll get [__] a bunch of coaches like

00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:12.157
yeah, let me [__] develop you.
But I'm like, who who actually [__] wants

00:48:12.240 --> 00:48:15.917
to to like actually be my head coach,
you know? Like [__] like who who is

00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.197
actually like here? Cuz nobody was like,
"Oh, like I see [__] potential in you

00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:21.757
and you could be a world champion
someday and let me take you under my

00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.037
wing and and and and I'll give you
privates for free." Like all every

00:48:25.120 --> 00:48:28.877
single private I did, I paid for every
single one. Like I never got any free

00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.557
privates. And that was a big part of why
I went into a lot of financial struggle

00:48:32.640 --> 00:48:37.277
was like no sponsors, no [__] and I'm
like constantly like like just because I

00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.077
want I just wanted my hand raised one
time just like [__] I just wanted to

00:48:40.160 --> 00:48:43.517
know what it felt like to get my [__]
hand raised in that octagon, man. And so

00:48:43.600 --> 00:48:46.397
that's why I [__] I did it and on on

00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:48.237
the biggest stage against the biggest

00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:51.277
odds and I'm just like bro like

00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.237
walk from the table when you're up bro.

00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:57.357
Well, listen, it's not the worst idea
in the world. Especially, you were saying

00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.637
that there's they you did brain scans
and they found something in your brain.

00:49:00.720 --> 00:49:02.077
What? >> Yeah, there
was just it was just like

00:49:02.160 --> 00:49:05.517
white matter and stuff like so they did
an MRI and then they're like, "Hey, like

00:49:05.600 --> 00:49:09.597
we want you to do another CT scan like
there was like it's like white specks or

00:49:09.680 --> 00:49:12.077
something. White matter or something
like great." They were like, "Oh, it

00:49:12.160 --> 00:49:16.077
could be caused by headaches. Could be
caused by this." But um yeah, I don't

00:49:16.160 --> 00:49:20.237
know what >> it is. All that sparring
for sure gives you brain damage.

00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.397
>> Yeah. >> Do I mean
I'm sure you had your bell

00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:23.757
rung. I'm sure you've been dropped.

00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.037
>> Yeah. >> Is part of the sparring.
Everybody look,

00:49:27.120 --> 00:49:29.117
if you spar, you're
going to get some damage.

00:49:29.200 --> 00:49:31.597
>> Yeah, for sure. >> There's
no no if ends or buts about.

00:49:31.680 --> 00:49:34.877
>> Cost of business. >> And um
a lot of the brain damage that

00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:39.117
fighters get it a lot of it comes from
training. A lot of it doesn't even come

00:49:39.200 --> 00:49:40.877
from the actual fights itself.

00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:43.517
>> Yeah, >> it counts.
I mean, people don't think

00:49:43.600 --> 00:49:47.517
about that. You go, "Wow, he only
got knocked out one time in his whole

00:49:47.600 --> 00:49:50.717
career." Yeah, but how many sparring
matches did he have? You know?

00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.277
>> Yeah. >> Yeah.
That's that was I was telling you

00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:54.797
earlier like I went through [__] hell

00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.517
this camp. Like I was [__] like hard

00:49:57.600 --> 00:50:01.677
around like like f um Iwan Coutalaba.

00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:06.317
>> He's so explosive so fast. He's [__]
and now like we're working that oblique

00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.197
kick. This is something another thing I
want to I want to mention that was very

00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.397
interesting to me. My whole camp I trained

00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:16.877
>> for him to crawl towards me like
Jones does because he's he does the same

00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:21.197
thing. And so what I did, I got down in
the same position on my knees to to like

00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:23.997
crawl towards him because that's what
I've been practicing my whole camp. But

00:50:24.080 --> 00:50:27.597
then he didn't do it that this last fight.
He just walked towards me.

00:50:27.680 --> 00:50:31.997
>> So I don't know if [__] that was if
I got in his head when I got down. But I

00:50:32.080 --> 00:50:34.557
thought that was very interesting cuz
my whole camp I was every time every round

00:50:34.640 --> 00:50:37.277
I was like, "Hey, crawl towards me like
Jones does. Crawl towards me like Jones

00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:41.357
does. Do the oblique kick." I fully went
into this fight thinking that my knees

00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:44.797
were going to get caved to [__] >>
I completely I was like, "Bro, like

00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:48.237
[__] I don't care." What do you think
about that kick? The UFC is now talking

00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:51.117
about trying to ban that kick.

00:50:51.200 --> 00:50:55.517
>> I think this is combat. Like I
think it's like a part of it and um it's

00:50:55.600 --> 00:51:00.717
unfortunate because a career ender
like Khalil Roundry [__] he's and

00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:04.957
it's just like >> and also Shaot,
you know, Ian Gary got shave's knee.

00:51:05.040 --> 00:51:09.117
>> Yeah. So it's like a part of it's
like Yeah. [__] sucks. But at the same

00:51:09.200 --> 00:51:13.037
time is like it's it's fighting,
you know, like and it's like if this was a

00:51:13.120 --> 00:51:15.597
real fight, like that's
that's pretty realistic.

00:51:15.680 --> 00:51:20.157
>> So is eye pokes. >> Yeah.
I say get that football field you

00:51:20.240 --> 00:51:21.917
were talking about. >> Yeah.
But you know what I'm saying? So

00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:25.757
are eye pokes and we don't allow eye
pokes because it creates permanent injury.

00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:29.117
>> I see what you're saying.
But the reality is if you were in a street

00:51:29.200 --> 00:51:31.997
fight, you'd poke the [__] out
of somebody's eyes and you should.

00:51:32.080 --> 00:51:35.117
>> You know, if you're fighting for
your life, you'd [__] thumb right in the

00:51:35.200 --> 00:51:39.597
eye. 100%. Why wouldn't 100% why
wouldn't you? So, we have to decide like

00:51:39.680 --> 00:51:43.517
>> true >> what is good
for the the safety of the

00:51:43.600 --> 00:51:47.757
athletes long term if you're going to have
a long-term career with a blown out

00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:50.557
knee. >> Okay.
A blown out knee takes you out for

00:51:50.640 --> 00:51:53.837
a year. Not only does it take you out
for a year, but your knee might never be

00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.477
the same again. And you've
had ACL surgery, you know.

00:51:56.560 --> 00:51:57.837
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I've had him.

00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.317
>> That's why I'm tell that was one of my
fears going into this fight. I was like,

00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.957
"Fuck, man. These [__] are
going to [__] my [__] up."

00:52:03.040 --> 00:52:05.277
>> Yeah. >> And I was like,
"Fuck it. Let's go."

00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:08.077
Like John destroyed guys knees.

00:52:08.160 --> 00:52:11.837
>> I was there for Thiago Santos.
I was there and uh that was the same night

00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:13.837
Mazdall knocked out Askin and uh Right.

00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.797
And uh yeah, I don't think Thiago Santos
was ever the same after that fight.

00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:19.117
>> He had both his knees
reconstructed after that fight.

00:52:19.200 --> 00:52:21.677
>> [__] crazy. >> Yeah.
And Rampage Jackson too. He blew

00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:25.917
out Rampage's knee. Rampage said my knee
was never the same again after that fight.

00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:30.477
>> I just don't think I understand that
it's combat but also so is poking in the

00:52:30.560 --> 00:52:34.077
eyes and we don't allow poking in the
eyes. So you you think we shouldn't have

00:52:34.160 --> 00:52:37.037
>> is an argument. There's a real
conversation about whether or not it

00:52:37.120 --> 00:52:40.797
should be legal. Andy Foster, I think,
is one of the best without a doubt

00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:44.717
athletic commission directors from
California. He thinks it should be banned.

00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:46.717
>> Yeah. >> And the UFC
thinks it should be banned.

00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.357
It's just too many guys. Ruseo, who just

00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.637
fought uh MVP, MVP blew out his knee,

00:52:52.720 --> 00:52:54.797
>> sidekick his knee.
His knee's completely

00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:57.917
reconstructed now. He went into
surgery right after the fight.

00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:00.877
Now, would it be like just
the oblique kick or like

00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.477
>> sidekicks and oblique kicks?

00:53:02.560 --> 00:53:05.757
>> Just those two. >> Yeah.
Uh just attacking the knee with a

00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:09.517
straight kick that hyperextends it.
So, you'd still be able to leg kick.

00:53:09.600 --> 00:53:13.997
Obviously, you still be able to round
kick to the leg, but and the the issue

00:53:14.080 --> 00:53:17.757
is the hyperextension of the knee
because it just takes one and your knee

00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:20.077
is [__] forever and your career is over.

00:53:20.160 --> 00:53:22.397
>> Yeah. >> You know,
it's just why are we doing

00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:27.117
that? You know, why don't we poke each
other in the eye if we're gonna do that?

00:53:27.200 --> 00:53:30.317
>> That's very That's very true. You know,
it's a sport at the end of day, not a

00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:32.557
street fight. >> Yeah.
And people say, "Well, you can

00:53:32.640 --> 00:53:37.357
heel hook. You could tap on a heel hook."
You cannot tap for a sidekick to the knee.

00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.517
>> That that sidekick comes and especially

00:53:39.600 --> 00:53:42.717
catches you. You see the the ruse of the

00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:47.517
the screenshot of what it looked like
when MVP caught him. His [__] [__]

00:53:47.600 --> 00:53:50.877
was totally sideways. Oh, >> [__] >> Yeah.
Just everything's ripped apart

00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.597
inside of there. It's gone. Yeah.

00:53:53.680 --> 00:53:57.677
>> Yeah. >> I mean, one shot for it,
you know? I like my knees [__]

00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:02.397
>> I just don't I think there's things
we can't do. We can't bite. We can't eye

00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:05.757
gouge. We can't fish hook. There's
a bunch of things we can't do because you

00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:08.877
want to protect the fighters.
And look at look at his knee.

00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:12.077
>> Oh [__] >> Yeah.
Look how sideways that [__] is.

00:54:12.160 --> 00:54:14.877
>> That's blown blown out, man.

00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:18.237
>> God damn. >> I mean, that's knee
probably never going to be the same again.

00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:22.477
>> How did you feel about them letting him
go even though he's winning? I think MVP

00:54:22.560 --> 00:54:25.197
should be a welterweight first of all.
I think at welterweight he's almost

00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:29.677
unstoppable. So [__] difficult to handle.
Uh Ian Garry was the only guy

00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.957
that figured out how to handle him.
I don't think the power translates as well

00:54:33.040 --> 00:54:35.357
at 85. Some of these 85 guys like

00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:39.997
Gregory Rodriguez and Joe Pyer. They're
[__] huge, man. I don't know how they

00:54:40.080 --> 00:54:44.397
make 85, but these guys look like
heavyweights. Um, but he's one of my

00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:47.677
favorite fighters to watch because like
his fight with Kevin Holland, people

00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:51.597
could talk all the [__] about it was a
boring fight and nothing happened. But

00:54:51.680 --> 00:54:55.437
when you got a guy as good as Kevin
Holland and he's just like completely

00:54:55.520 --> 00:54:58.957
frustrated because he can't do [__] and
this guy's just dancing in front of him

00:54:59.040 --> 00:55:01.757
and popping him and kicking him
and punching him anytime he wants.

00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:01.997
>> Yeah.

00:55:02.080 --> 00:55:06.157
>> It's nuts to watch, man. He's he's also

00:55:06.240 --> 00:55:09.197
38, 39. Like, how old is MVP now? How

00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:12.637
old is Michael Venom Page?

00:55:12.720 --> 00:55:16.317
For me, he was uh like proof of concept

00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:17.917
because I was always telling people I

00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.557
was like the thing that's missing in MMA

00:55:20.640 --> 00:55:24.317
39. See, the reality is if you're

00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:29.677
natural, if you're a natural athlete
and you're 39 years old, it's almost over.

00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:31.037
>> Yeah. >> Unless you're a heavyweight.

00:55:31.120 --> 00:55:34.797
Heavyweights have a little bit more life
to them. Like Francis is still at the

00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.037
top of the heap and I
think he's like 40 now.

00:55:37.120 --> 00:55:42.157
>> Yeah. But there's a there's a time
where you just can't move. I mean, all the

00:55:42.240 --> 00:55:45.197
injuries, all the training, you can't
move as well anymore. You're a little

00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:49.597
bit slower. I was always
saying though that the

00:55:49.680 --> 00:55:51.437
there's a thing that's missing in combat

00:55:51.520 --> 00:55:53.437
sports, and that thing is point fighting

00:55:53.520 --> 00:55:57.117
karate. That point fighting style is so

00:55:57.200 --> 00:56:01.517
[__] hard to deal with. If you have
never sparred anybody that does that

00:56:01.600 --> 00:56:05.997
[__] the moment you spar them, you're
like, "Yo, this is crazy." like these

00:56:06.080 --> 00:56:09.357
guys can cover distance. Ah, they just
jump in and then they're out of there

00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:13.197
and they move out of the way and you
get frustrated and you start chasing them

00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:17.197
and then you get countered.
>> It's a a totally different element on

00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:22.317
its own. It's no good. Like it's no good
as a standalone style because guys could

00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.317
take you down. You don't know how
to wrestle, you're [__] You don't know

00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.397
how to do jiu-jitsu. You get strangled.

00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:30.077
You don't know leg kicks. You get your
legs kicked out from under you. But on

00:56:30.160 --> 00:56:33.837
if you know all those things
and you come from that point fighting

00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:38.557
background, that ability to blitz, that
ability to dive in and out and and hit

00:56:38.640 --> 00:56:42.237
someone from a distance
they can't hit you is crazy.

00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:44.797
>> Yeah. >> And he to me
was like proof of concept.

00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:46.077
And I think there's going to be a lot of

00:56:46.160 --> 00:56:48.157
other guys that are like elite point

00:56:48.240 --> 00:56:52.077
fighters that decide to enter into MMA

00:56:52.160 --> 00:56:55.837
and I think they're going to have like
some pretty pretty incredible success if

00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:01.917
they're special. Raymond Daniels did
it for a little bit in um uh in Bellator

00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:07.117
>> 720. >> Yeah, 720 punch [__] >>
but he also like did it in uh Glory

00:57:07.200 --> 00:57:11.357
kickboxing too. He had some great
fights in glory kickboxing as well.

00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:15.517
>> But again, he's a little older. That's
the problem. These guys, they have these

00:57:15.600 --> 00:57:19.277
long careers in the one discipline.
They get really good and then they by the

00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:23.197
time they start doing MMA, they're 34,
35, four or five years later, their

00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.077
career's over. Yeah. you know, so you
don't have enough time to develop and

00:57:26.160 --> 00:57:28.397
really grow and you're also going to

00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:32.157
have a gang of injuries. I mean, look, I

00:57:32.240 --> 00:57:35.517
I wish nothing but the best for MVP.
I love that guy. I think he's awesome.

00:57:35.600 --> 00:57:39.357
He's got an awesome personality.
He's had some boring fights, though,

00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:44.237
unfortunately. And I think >> it's
entertainment. I see [__] knockouts.

00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:46.077
>> It's a little bit of both, you know.

00:57:46.160 --> 00:57:49.517
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How do you feel about that? You've been
around for for a long time like when the

00:58:56.880 --> 00:59:01.197
fortitas ran it compared to now how
Paramount runs it. Like do you do you

00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:04.877
like how it is now? Like compared
to where like it's all about entertainment

00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:08.157
versus like who's the best at dominance?

00:59:08.240 --> 00:59:12.637
>> Well, I'm a purist. I don't think
you should ever stand a guy up. I don't

00:59:12.720 --> 00:59:15.197
think you should ever separate someone
when they're on the cage. I cheer for it

00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:18.077
when it happens, just like every other
[__] Like, yeah, stand them up. But,

00:59:18.160 --> 00:59:22.397
but I mean, if you gave me the ability
to write the rules, I would never stand

00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:26.477
anybody up ever. If you get taken down
and someone's on top of you giving you

00:59:26.560 --> 00:59:30.077
ngies for five rounds, figure out how
to get up. And if you can't figure out how

00:59:30.160 --> 00:59:34.717
to get up, you lost. Simple. You might
not lose the same way that you beat

00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:39.517
Gable. You know, that's a way more
exciting way to win, right? But you

00:59:39.600 --> 00:59:43.517
still won. You held him down. You gave
him some of these. He couldn't get up.

00:59:43.600 --> 00:59:48.077
That's the fight. Boo. The audience booze.
Okay, whatever. Still better than

00:59:48.160 --> 00:59:50.797
baseball. [__] off.
>> You know what I mean? Like I I think

00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:53.837
it's fighting. And I think I also think

00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:56.477
very controversially, you shouldn't be

00:59:56.560 --> 00:59:58.957
stood up not only at the end of the

00:59:59.040 --> 01:00:03.837
round or I think the next fight, the next
round rather, it's the same fight.

01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:06.477
You should be put back
in the same position.

01:00:06.560 --> 01:00:08.717
is just pride in 15 minutes straight.

01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:10.317
>> You could do that. Well, Pride was 10.

01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:13.357
It was 10 minute rounds and then
a second five minute round. But I don't

01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:16.557
think you earn a stand up, you know?

01:00:16.640 --> 01:00:21.197
Like every fight starts standing up,
right? But once a guy takes you down, if

01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:25.117
he takes you down, you didn't earn
getting back up. So if you didn't earn

01:00:25.200 --> 01:00:27.837
getting back up, I think you should go
right back to the same position. It's

01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:32.237
one fight. It's not five fights. If you
have a fivem minutee round, you get five

01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:34.717
different chances to avoid a takedown.

01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:39.037
Why? You already been taken down.
You never figured out how to get up.

01:00:39.120 --> 01:00:40.237
>> It's funny you say
that because that was

01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:43.757
that was what we were talking about
with my my fight camp. I was all like it's

01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:46.637
like [__] they're going to stand
me up at the [__] at the end of the

01:00:46.720 --> 01:00:49.837
round, you know? So, you know,
every fight starts on the feet, you know?

01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:52.957
>> Every round starts on the feet.
And if you're a wrestler or any kind of

01:00:53.040 --> 01:00:56.637
grappler, you have to take
a guy down every single round.

01:00:56.720 --> 01:00:58.957
>> And it's kind
of crazy because in a real

01:00:59.040 --> 01:01:04.237
fight, like a fight is a fight.
It's like not five five minute look. The

01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:08.717
argument of like having guys fight
for 25 minutes straight is crazy. No fight

01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:12.077
would probably last that long.
Everybody would gas out.

01:01:12.160 --> 01:01:14.397
>> Of course, >> it would be
a battle of attrition. Only

01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:16.557
guys like Morab Morabish will be the

01:01:16.640 --> 01:01:18.957
king of the world.

01:01:19.040 --> 01:01:21.677
>> Facts. I'm not going 25 minutes.

01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:23.837
>> It's crazy. [__] heavyweights going

01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:28.797
25 minutes is [__] mad. And when you
do have heavyweights going 25 minutes,

01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:33.517
the damage they do to each other
is horrific. Is horrific. you know, like

01:01:33.600 --> 01:01:37.597
the the Cain Velasquez, Junior Doss
Santos fights, man. I've watched those

01:01:37.680 --> 01:01:41.757
back and forth and especially, you know,
uh Junior knocked him out in the first

01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:44.237
fight, caught him with a punch and then

01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:49.277
Kane destroyed him in the next two
fights and they were prolonged, horrific

01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:50.797
beatings. >> Yeah.

01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:52.797
>> That's why I came up watching the Kane

01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:56.637
trilogies and then the Brock Lesnar. Oh,

01:01:56.720 --> 01:01:59.997
>> Kane is something, man. >> Yeah,
that was always my my three. Kane

01:02:00.080 --> 01:02:01.837
Velasquez, Jon Jones, and Mike Tyson.

01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:04.797
And I was like, if I could put those
three together, that's the fighter.

01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:09.517
>> What about Fedor?
>> Faded is Feder is I I just wasn't

01:02:09.600 --> 01:02:12.717
watching him the same, but I had
to realize the goat. But [__] Bluy beat

01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:16.637
him. Bluy >> in sombo.
Combat sombo by by points.

01:02:16.720 --> 01:02:20.397
Yeah. Yeah. >> You're
wearing a ghee. Backing me.

01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.517
>> Yeah. You're wearing a ghee.
You're wearing shoes.

01:02:23.600 --> 01:02:25.917
>> There's a lot going on.
Bgoy is a bad [__]

01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:29.437
>> I never really watched that the uh the
Pride era and all that stuff. I was more

01:02:29.520 --> 01:02:33.277
just I started watching around like
Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell and like

01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:36.797
right around then >> Goya came back
from getting stabbed in the heart.

01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:39.997
>> Yeah, he's a bad [__] >>
That's a bad [__] He was a

01:02:40.080 --> 01:02:42.637
tough dude, man. Very tough dude.

01:02:42.720 --> 01:02:48.317
>> But it's like heavyweight
um fighting. I think

01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:50.717
there's never been a heavyweight
division that was more stacked than

01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:53.757
Pride in the early 2000s. Never.

01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:56.797
>> Heavyweight division in Pride I think
was the glory days of the heavyweight

01:02:56.880 --> 01:02:59.677
division. You had Merco Crocop, you had

01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:02.077
Mark Coleman, you had Minotauro Noggera,

01:03:02.160 --> 01:03:05.357
you had Fedor, you had like one after

01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.277
the other, killer, killer, killer,

01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:10.237
killer. It was just like this insane

01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:13.517
shark tank of elite fighters. And then

01:03:13.600 --> 01:03:19.197
they were all fighting juice to the tits
over in Japan, you know, it was a

01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:21.837
different world. >> That's
that's where we're Don Fry.

01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:25.837
>> I was asking um Birmingham, how you
pronounce his name from over at Ways to

01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:30.157
Well, >> Brigham. bring him. Bring him I
was asking him about the the peptides and

01:03:30.240 --> 01:03:32.957
stuff because I heard there's talks
about maybe like getting some of the

01:03:33.040 --> 01:03:36.477
recovery peptides approved now
in the UFC and stuff. So, I don't know if

01:03:36.560 --> 01:03:40.477
that's where it's going to be headed, but
>> it would certainly help. I do not know

01:03:40.560 --> 01:03:44.077
where they're going with that, whether
or not it would be possible and whether

01:03:44.160 --> 01:03:47.597
or not eventually it gets through. But
there's certain things that are just not

01:03:47.680 --> 01:03:52.637
performance-enhancing. All they do
is help soft tissue injuries. BPC57, I

01:03:52.720 --> 01:03:54.477
think, would be an easy one to approve.

01:03:54.560 --> 01:03:56.957
That's the best one I think
for soft tissue injuries.

01:03:57.040 --> 01:03:59.997
>> Have you used them? >> Oh, yeah. [__]
yeah. I use the [__] out of that stuff.

01:04:00.080 --> 01:04:03.037
>> I've never used it. Everyone
always tells me Wolverine stack.

01:04:03.120 --> 01:04:05.357
>> Oh, it's great. >> But now
there's like so many everyone in

01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:08.717
their mom who sells peptides now like
you don't even know like the >> true

01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.357
>> the true good. >> That's
why a company like Waste Well is

01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:15.197
so important because it's a compounding
pharmacy. You know, they they have they

01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:18.637
own a compounding pharmacy. So, you
know that you're getting an actual pure

01:04:18.720 --> 01:04:23.837
version of BPC57. Whereas, if you order
it online, who knows where it's coming

01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:26.557
from? You're getting it online.
It's getting delivered to you. It might be

01:04:26.640 --> 01:04:30.477
coming from China. It may be coming from
Vietnam. Like, who knows? Who know? It

01:04:30.560 --> 01:04:34.237
might be real. It might be great.
It might be total [__] Like, the

01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:38.637
people have run tests on different
peptides they found online and a lot of

01:04:38.720 --> 01:04:40.797
them are just total [__] >> Yeah.

01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:43.037
>> Like 20% of what they say is in there.

01:04:43.120 --> 01:04:46.157
Yeah. It's like you're just guessing
because it's not regulated. So, it

01:04:46.240 --> 01:04:50.797
should be legal and it should be
regulated, you know, and then, you know,

01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:54.637
if if that's the case, I think then
there should be an argument for certain

01:04:54.720 --> 01:04:59.757
peptides that help people recover from
injuries because this is a sport where

01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:02.317
you're practicing injuring
each other all day long.

01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:05.197
>> Everyone's [__] injured.
>> If you want fighters to compete at a

01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:08.237
high level once they get into the octagon,
you're going to have to help

01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:11.757
them recover along the way. And it's
not just cold plunges and saunas and

01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:15.117
massage. BBC 157 will help them recover.

01:05:15.200 --> 01:05:18.077
And it's not going to make them a super
athlete. It's not going to make them

01:05:18.160 --> 01:05:21.597
faster or stronger. It's just going
to help heal injuries, >> right?

01:05:21.680 --> 01:05:24.637
>> I mean, that's my position. But I think

01:05:24.720 --> 01:05:28.957
it's weird that you can use like some
things that work great like creatine.

01:05:29.040 --> 01:05:32.557
>> Yeah. >> Like creatine's
phenomenal >> and that's legal.

01:05:32.640 --> 01:05:34.797
>> Well, I didn't know
this, but the PI was

01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:39.197
educating us how the creatine helps
your brain now, too. So, I'm like, [__]

01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:41.517
>> dude, >> is this going
to make me smarter or [__] what?

01:05:41.600 --> 01:05:45.597
>> Creatine 100% increases mental
performance. If I have a day where I

01:05:45.680 --> 01:05:49.837
haven't gotten much sleep and I don't
take creatine versus a day where I

01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:52.397
haven't got much sleep and I do take
creatine, there's a giant difference.

01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:56.717
And they've done studies on this. They
show when sleepdeprived people, creatine

01:05:56.800 --> 01:06:00.557
basically mitigates all the negative
effects of sleep deprivation.

01:06:00.640 --> 01:06:03.357
>> So you can perform like
mentally at the same level.

01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:04.797
>> Do you take the powder form?

01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:06.877
>> Powder form. Yeah. >> Just try.

01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:09.117
>> Yeah. There's a company called Create.

01:06:09.200 --> 01:06:13.117
>> They make creatine gummies. They make
um a bunch of different but they also have

01:06:13.200 --> 01:06:16.237
powder. Each one of them's
five milligrams. Yeah.

01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:18.957
>> So, I just take these uh or five grams.

01:06:19.040 --> 01:06:21.677
Five grams. >> Usually,
it's five grams. Yeah,

01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:23.357
>> it's grams. Yeah, it's not milligrams.

01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:27.997
So, I take um two five gram packets
in the morning, two in the night.

01:06:28.080 --> 01:06:31.597
>> Yeah, that's how I do it.
>> The PI gives us the Thorn supplements.

01:06:31.680 --> 01:06:34.477
They give us >> Yeah, it's great stuff.
Thorn's awesome stuff. Yeah, they

01:06:34.560 --> 01:06:39.357
>> give us I dry scoop it, just throw it
in my mouth, drink water, dug it. It just

01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:42.237
doesn't taste good.
It's just It's performance. Yeah,

01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:46.557
>> but creatine is one of the few
absolutely legitimate supplements that I

01:06:46.640 --> 01:06:49.677
think most people, especially
most athletes, should be taking.

01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:53.917
>> [__] yeah. >> And just good for your
brain just overall. Just great for it.

01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:56.797
>> Yeah. I think I needed to go to I
haven't taken any [__] because that

01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:59.037
was the other thing too. They were
telling me like once you get closer to

01:06:59.120 --> 01:07:03.677
the fight like you don't need to be
taking as much creatine because it's like

01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:07.517
I don't know if it like
harder dehydrates you or [__]

01:07:07.600 --> 01:07:10.477
>> First of all, you're not cutting any
weight. So, the the difference between

01:07:10.560 --> 01:07:14.717
you and a lighter weight guy, I could
see the argument for a lighter weight

01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:17.917
guy, because with lighter weight guys,
if you're trying to cut some weight,

01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:21.837
what's going on is uh creatine, one
of the benefits of it, it lets you hold

01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:25.357
more water, you know, so you have more
water in your muscles, your muscles are

01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:28.957
stronger, your your brain works better,
there's more water in your system,

01:07:29.040 --> 01:07:31.437
>> right? >> I think that's
how it works. There's a

01:07:31.520 --> 01:07:35.677
bunch of reasons why it works, but I do
know that it makes people makes people

01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:39.997
hold more water. Um, so if you're
a fighter that's cutting weight, like some

01:07:40.080 --> 01:07:43.837
of these guys, which they some of these
guys cut insane amounts of weight, like

01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:47.197
did you see that >> um Ryan
Garcia Connor Ben fight where

01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:50.397
they said he weighed 30 lbs
more the day of the fight?

01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:55.597
>> Yeah. >> What? >> It didn't
help him. It was [__] crazy.

01:07:55.680 --> 01:07:56.557
>> I didn't think it was going to help.

01:07:56.640 --> 01:07:59.037
>> I didn't think Ryan was going
to win that cuz >> You didn't?

01:07:59.120 --> 01:08:03.837
>> Like I I like Ryan, but like I
heard he was like [__] partying [__] a

01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:05.597
little while before. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

01:08:05.680 --> 01:08:08.237
cuz he had like his birthday
like two months before and like

01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:11.917
>> just two months that's it >> maybe
>> that's okay. Yeah, two months is all

01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:13.597
right for a guy that good that young.

01:08:13.680 --> 01:08:17.277
Yeah, I thought Ryan was on a totally
different level. My my position was is

01:08:17.360 --> 01:08:19.277
and no disrespect to Connor Ben was like

01:08:19.360 --> 01:08:21.517
I've watched Ryan compete against guys

01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:24.557
like Javvante like you know guys like at

01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:28.637
a very high level Roelly like he's he's
been in there with some of the absolute

01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:30.397
best guys in the division. Yeah.

01:08:30.480 --> 01:08:33.277
>> And um I just think he's just a

01:08:33.360 --> 01:08:38.157
different level. That's what my position
was. And also his speed is [__]

01:08:38.240 --> 01:08:41.597
crazy. >> His speed is nuts, man.

01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:45.837
>> Yeah, >> he's his left
hook is just [__] preposterous.

01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:47.837
>> Does it say 178? Yeah. Less than 12

01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:49.277
hours from weigh-ins, Connor Ben is

01:08:49.360 --> 01:08:54.397
rehydrated from 146 to 178.4.

01:08:54.480 --> 01:08:55.677
>> Wow.

01:08:55.760 --> 01:08:58.877
>> That's not good. Like that's like very

01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:02.477
unhealthy for your body to go to that

01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:06.077
state where you're almost dead.
Like what do you walk around at?

01:09:06.160 --> 01:09:08.317
>> Uh usually I was I
was a little heavier.

01:09:08.400 --> 01:09:12.797
I was at 255, but for this camp
I went down. I was about 240 245.

01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:15.197
>> Does anybody try to talk
you into going to 205?

01:09:15.280 --> 01:09:17.517
>> I did my pro debut at 205. So yeah.

01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:21.917
Yeah. So I know I can I could do it.
Um the Pillo was the one that told me he's

01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.477
like I think I like you better at a
heavyweight. This was like when I was an

01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:28.877
amateur. He's like because of his speed
and um I feel like it's a different

01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:30.557
fight like when I I'm telling you I was

01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:36.397
sparring like uh Ewan and Strickland's
not a 205 but that [__] sometimes

01:09:36.480 --> 01:09:39.437
but >> yeah I feel like
it's like a lot a lot

01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:44.157
more uh thinking than heavy you
know like it's more like their

01:09:44.240 --> 01:09:47.037
>> speed and movement. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I feel like they're a little

01:09:47.120 --> 01:09:48.477
smarter than me. But

01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.037
>> so you're really uh considering like

01:09:51.120 --> 01:09:56.237
wrapping it up. I I'm I'm
I'm taking as I go right now,

01:09:56.320 --> 01:09:58.557
you know, but I I just really don't
know, you know, because it's like,

01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:01.757
brother, I'm f I'm legit filing
bankruptcy this year. Like that's

01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.957
[__] like like I really ran myself
all the way into debt like [__]

01:10:05.040 --> 01:10:06.317
chasing this [__] [__] you know?

01:10:06.400 --> 01:10:10.717
Like don't get me wrong, like is on [__]
I got a TRX [__] I couldn't afford. I

01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:15.037
paid for my tattoos, like 30 grand
on that [__] I did PRK, put that on the

01:10:15.120 --> 01:10:18.957
card like I took my mom to >> uh
instead of Lasix, so they don't you

01:10:19.040 --> 01:10:23.277
don't have the flap. And um and I took
my mom to Mecca and it was just like,

01:10:23.360 --> 01:10:27.677
bro, like I just been [__] I burnt my
boats and I was just like, you know, [__]

01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:31.837
>> back against the wall.
>> That's it, brother. [__] we got to win.

01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:34.477
>> Well, now that you're in debt, you
probably should have a couple fights to

01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:36.717
get out of debt. >> Well,
that's the thing, too. It's like,

01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:40.957
bro, capitalize, my my life is so
[__] crazy. Like, I need like a

01:10:41.040 --> 01:10:44.477
lawyer, a financial adviser right now.
I need some [__] like some guidance,

01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:48.317
you know? And that's that's the thing
where I'm just like I'm like I got what

01:10:48.400 --> 01:10:52.157
I wanted and now I'm just like okay
what the [__] is next, you know? And um

01:10:52.240 --> 01:10:56.477
that's the thing like people [__]
like like oh like how how is it just

01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:59.677
this one win, you know? But I'm I'm
legit telling you like all I wanted was

01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:03.117
to [__] have my hand raised in the octagon
like that. I just wanted to know

01:11:03.200 --> 01:11:05.677
what that [__] felt like and I that

01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:10.157
was [__] that was a [__] the best possible

01:11:10.240 --> 01:11:13.037
ever, you know, and the fact >> best
possible result. Yeah. And and the

01:11:13.120 --> 01:11:16.557
fact like like I I genuinely was like
praying this this this time. Like that

01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:20.877
was the first time like I was like legit
like and it wasn't even just like my

01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:24.557
just me like I had my my Muslim friends,
my my Christian friends. Like it was

01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:27.997
[__] like like there was just so many
people like I'm a spiritual guy. Like

01:11:28.080 --> 01:11:30.637
that's the thing where people are like
oh it's so contradicting sometimes. And

01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:33.117
I'm just like I've always been like like

01:11:33.200 --> 01:11:35.837
very like more spiritual than than

01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:41.037
following just the books. And um yeah,
I just uh I felt like there was something

01:11:41.120 --> 01:11:44.397
with me that fight. I felt like it
wasn't just me in there. Like the fact

01:11:44.480 --> 01:11:46.717
that like I fell dirt biking like three

01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:49.277
weeks uh ago with with Strickland and

01:11:49.360 --> 01:11:54.237
[__] busted my [__] shoulder. And >>
why are you doing that with him? Sean

01:11:54.320 --> 01:11:55.597
>> and you saw he just crashed, dude.

01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:58.957
>> He's crazy. >> You literally have to
sign a waiver where you [__] hang out with

01:11:59.040 --> 01:12:02.317
Strickland [__] from now on.
I'm like, bro, like like

01:12:02.400 --> 01:12:04.557
>> Yeah, he just crashed hard.
His buddy got really

01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:08.557
>> That's the guy from Embedded. Uh uh
Chris. Yeah. Yeah. He he he's [__] uh

01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:11.517
>> Yeah. Don't do that. Don't do what he
does. And I think he just wasn't wearing

01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:14.237
a helmet, right? >> No,
I don't think they were.

01:12:14.320 --> 01:12:17.997
>> Thank god I wore one cuz they He
Strickland, ironically though, he's the

01:12:18.080 --> 01:12:21.437
one that told me not to ride the dirt
bike. He did tell me. He's like,

01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:22.957
>> "Do as I say, not as I do."

01:12:23.040 --> 01:12:25.837
>> Yeah. He's like He's like, "You got
a fight coming up. You probably shouldn't

01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:28.077
do that." Man, [__] you.
You can't tell me to do that.

01:12:28.160 --> 01:12:29.757
>> Sean's crazy. >> He's like,
"But put a helmet on." I'm

01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:32.317
like, "All right, I'll put the helmet on."
And thank God I did. Yeah.

01:12:32.400 --> 01:12:35.357
>> Sean is legitimately [__] crazy.

01:12:35.440 --> 01:12:38.877
>> So, what was this? Is this a car that
flipped over? Yeah, I think they had like

01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:40.477
>> Were they in a side by side?

01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:42.957
>> Yeah. >> Oh, okay.
They're in They're in like a

01:12:43.040 --> 01:12:47.677
buggy. >> Yeah. Don't Don't do Is it

01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:51.677
>> Strickland is the [__] man cuz like
as much I used to [__] hate this dude

01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:54.557
when he used to come to the gym at Ruka.

01:12:54.640 --> 01:12:56.877
I used to hate him. That was right right

01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:02.237
after the Usman fight and he crashed his
motorcycle and um this guy he would he

01:13:02.320 --> 01:13:06.157
would come in and his leg was all
[__] busted up like and like he he

01:13:06.240 --> 01:13:09.757
refused to take [__] pain meds.
He was just always talking [__] and he

01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:11.437
would [__] me up. That's why another I

01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:16.957
was he was always [__] me up and um
and and and going through that I was

01:13:17.040 --> 01:13:20.237
just like man like this dude's at least
he's [__] real you know like like

01:13:20.320 --> 01:13:24.317
>> oh he's very real. He like he he like
he calls out everybody, you know, like cuz

01:13:24.400 --> 01:13:27.037
he used to talk [__] about all
the [__] Palestinian [__] and then he

01:13:27.120 --> 01:13:30.397
started talking about the Israeli
[__] and then he's [__] he was proTrump

01:13:30.480 --> 01:13:34.717
and then he was like anti-Trump and is
like um he speaks his mind, but another

01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:38.077
part I think he does is rage bait just
a little bit. Like he knows how to push

01:13:38.160 --> 01:13:40.557
people's buttons, you know? He knows
how to get the clicks. He's a smart

01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:43.117
[__] Like he makes his
investments like >> Oh yeah.

01:13:43.200 --> 01:13:46.957
>> Like this dude [__] just has
guns, cars, motorcycles, and [__]

01:13:47.040 --> 01:13:48.557
>> He's very smart with his investment.

01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:51.117
He's set. Like he he we told me about

01:13:51.200 --> 01:13:55.677
it. I asked him about it. He's like he
put away his money. He's invested mutual

01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:58.557
funds. The whole deal.
>> He called me after the fight. Yeah.

01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:00.317
>> Did he? >> Yeah. Yeah.
He's like, "I knew you're

01:14:00.400 --> 01:14:02.877
going to be on some dumb shit."
He's like, "Don't you [__] walk." He's

01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:06.077
like, "This is this is when you get
the [__] money. This is when you get to

01:14:06.160 --> 01:14:10.157
[__] the [__] This is when you get
to [__] He's like, "This is when all

01:14:10.240 --> 01:14:15.357
the opportunity comes." And I was like,
"Yeah, but does he does it? I don't

01:14:15.440 --> 01:14:19.117
know." You know? >> Well,
it's your decision. It's really

01:14:19.200 --> 01:14:22.637
you can't let anybody decide for you
because if you you do something for

01:14:22.720 --> 01:14:26.397
someone else, especially something
like fighting and you wound up getting

01:14:26.480 --> 01:14:29.837
knocked out in your next fight and you
were half into it and half out of it.

01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:33.197
>> Yeah. >> You know,
my advice for anyone who's

01:14:33.280 --> 01:14:36.157
always got one foot
in and one foot out is get out.

01:14:36.240 --> 01:14:39.517
>> Always. Every time I know a guy that's
like, I think one more fight and then

01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:41.437
I'm done, like stop now. >> Yeah.

01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:45.757
>> Stop now. Like most most most of the
time that's the best advice because if

01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:48.397
you're not fully completely 100%

01:14:48.480 --> 01:14:53.117
committed to being the best fighter
possible and like on that path you're

01:14:53.200 --> 01:14:57.837
going to run into someone who is >> right
>> you know now you can you can Brendon sh

01:14:57.920 --> 01:15:01.277
me here like when you look at me like
do you really think I could be a world

01:15:01.360 --> 01:15:04.317
champion? Listen, if you can do what you

01:15:04.400 --> 01:15:07.357
just did against Gable and then do that

01:15:07.440 --> 01:15:11.757
again against someone else similar like
what if you did that to Tai to Iasa or

01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:15.277
what if you did that to you know fill in
the blank whoever the fighter is >> right

01:15:15.360 --> 01:15:18.077
>> Pavlov there's a lot of different guys

01:15:18.160 --> 01:15:20.557
who are really good and if you can keep

01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:23.277
improving and keep beating these guys in

01:15:23.360 --> 01:15:26.157
that direction and then get a legitimate

01:15:26.240 --> 01:15:28.877
coach like maybe even Trevor get Trevor

01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:33.437
Whitman or get Farasa Hobby who I think
is one of the great masterminds of the

01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:37.197
sport. Get someone who's going to like
work with you on technique and really

01:15:37.280 --> 01:15:41.117
try to develop you as a fighter
as opposed to just you sparring all the

01:15:41.200 --> 01:15:43.197
time and you training all the time and

01:15:43.280 --> 01:15:48.237
you do you can learn a lot sparring all
the time, but you don't learn the same

01:15:48.320 --> 01:15:51.837
amount that you would if you're coached
and if you're coached correctly, like on

01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:54.477
a day in day out, daily basis. Like,

01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:57.197
have you seen the uh the Art of Violence

01:15:57.280 --> 01:15:59.197
videos that Justin puts out with Trevor?

01:15:59.280 --> 01:16:01.757
>> Yeah. Tre Trevor and and Justin are

01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:03.837
right next to each other all the time.

01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:08.797
Trevor, who's a genius, is like giving
him instruction. Yes, that's it. We want

01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:12.237
to dip to the left. There it is.
There it is. Okay, let's do that again. Do

01:16:12.320 --> 01:16:15.277
that again. Set it up. They're setting
it up. They're they're technical.

01:16:15.360 --> 01:16:17.117
They're going over all the aspects.

01:16:17.200 --> 01:16:21.037
They're rolling with punches and they
have counters set up. They're doing the

01:16:21.120 --> 01:16:25.837
collar tie and the uppercut. They're all
these things that they're preparing for

01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:29.677
for these moments and they're going
over it over and over again. until it's

01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:33.597
cemented into his central nervous system.
That's what you need. If you

01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:37.597
want to really excel and you want
to really be like a world class, world

01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:41.917
championship potential caliber fighter,
you have to have that. You have to have

01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:44.557
that. >> I agree.
And that was my that was always

01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:46.477
my issue was like I was really
trying to find that. But

01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:48.157
>> well, Eric Nix was in your corner.

01:16:48.240 --> 01:16:51.757
>> Yeah. Well, I I I didn't even get
to talk about that. [__] Nick popped in

01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:55.837
my corner because Sergey was supposed
to have his his his baby and he left. I

01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:57.917
woke up fight day the day of the fight.

01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:00.717
Oh, he's like, "Hey, it was like 2 in
the morning." He's like, "Okay, I had to

01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:02.637
go back to Vegas. My wife my wife might

01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:07.837
be going into labor." And I was like,
"All right, [__] uh this is like

01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:11.677
definitely worst case scenario."
And that's when I I knew I knew Nick was

01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:15.917
there. And uh Nick's a [__] amazing guy.
Like he [__] he he worked with

01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:19.357
me when I was in in Extreme when I first
came out. He walked with me for my first

01:17:19.440 --> 01:17:22.717
fight. And uh I just get he's like super
busy, you know? Like he's got so many

01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:25.837
fighters, you know, and especially I was
just I just showed up at the gym. That's

01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:28.317
my thing is like I've always just
showed up at the gym and I was like, "All

01:17:28.400 --> 01:17:31.997
right, [__] let's [__] spar, you know,
and then like people like who's

01:17:32.080 --> 01:17:34.317
this guy?" You know, they maybe get like
a little attention, but at the end of

01:17:34.400 --> 01:17:36.717
the day like no to sit
and develop with you.

01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:39.517
>> Um the way you're talking
about like traveling and stuff and

01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:42.557
>> Well, Eric can certainly do that,
you know, and you're training in Vegas all

01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:46.957
the time. And now you guys have like an
understanding like he he came and showed

01:17:47.040 --> 01:17:50.957
up. He shocked the world.
>> He he [__] came cuz he I literally

01:17:51.040 --> 01:17:52.877
just texted him.
He's like, "Got you, homie."

01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:55.437
>> He's a great human being. >> Yeah.
And I really like we were in the

01:17:55.520 --> 01:18:00.077
back. He the way he he communicated and
like was like like he was breaking [__]

01:18:00.160 --> 01:18:04.317
down like he's like very analytical with
it and that that that was very good for

01:18:04.400 --> 01:18:07.677
me. And like and then people are like,
"Oh, he well he didn't fight." And I'm

01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:11.437
like, "Well, [__] like why does that
matter if he's a he's he's a good coach

01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:14.397
and he's [__] effectively communicating
all these things, you know?"

01:18:14.480 --> 01:18:19.037
>> Yeah. This idea that you have to be
a fighter to be a great coach. I I

01:18:19.120 --> 01:18:22.557
understand why people say that cuz
I think there are some elements of

01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:25.597
competition that you really won't
understand unless you've been hit,

01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:27.037
unless you've hit someone, unless you've

01:18:27.120 --> 01:18:29.357
been in there, unless you've done but I

01:18:29.440 --> 01:18:33.197
also think you can't you can't dismiss

01:18:33.280 --> 01:18:37.197
special people and there are special
people that analyze things and have an

01:18:37.280 --> 01:18:41.597
understanding of things like here's
a perfect example. John Donaher

01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:43.837
wildly considered widely considered to

01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:46.317
be the greatest jiu-jitsu coach ever.

01:18:46.400 --> 01:18:49.277
>> Yeah. didn't didn't compete. Doesn't

01:18:49.360 --> 01:18:51.997
matter. Like he understands jiu-jitsu at

01:18:52.080 --> 01:18:54.637
the most comprehensive and most

01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:59.837
analytical way humanly possible. He
literally trains and teaches or at least

01:18:59.920 --> 01:19:02.637
doesn't train anymore. He's so he's
had so many injuries like two hip

01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:04.637
replacements, knee replacement.
He's all [__] up.

01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:06.877
>> Yeah. >> But which
is why what kept him from

01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:09.437
competing, but his dedication to

01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:13.917
coaching is unparalleled. He's in there
seven days a week. He's like constantly

01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:17.597
training these guys. And look what he's
achieved. Guys like Gordon Ryan, Gary

01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:21.197
Ton, Craig Jones, all these guys who
came out of there, Nicki Rod, they all

01:19:21.280 --> 01:19:23.277
will tell you >> Craig
Jones was going crazy for my

01:19:23.360 --> 01:19:27.517
fight. You he was just he was just
making all these posts and he's like,

01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:29.997
"Oh, he had turf toe
or something like that." He's

01:19:30.080 --> 01:19:34.077
>> hilarious. He's the funniest guy
in jiu-jitsu by far. He's so funny.

01:19:34.160 --> 01:19:37.437
>> He invited me. He was telling me like,
"Hey, we could do some something like a

01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:38.797
I think he said he's playing on going

01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:42.237
over to to Israel, Palestine, and like

01:19:42.320 --> 01:19:46.477
doing some kind of B team
thing over there." So,

01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:49.197
I've never met him,
but he [__] extended that.

01:19:49.280 --> 01:19:50.957
>> So, what would you do over there?

01:19:51.040 --> 01:19:55.277
>> No, I think he maybe he was doing
like a a seminar or something like that.

01:19:55.360 --> 01:19:58.157
>> Are we I don't want to Are
we allowed to talk about this?

01:19:58.240 --> 01:19:59.517
>> You could talk about anything you want.

01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:01.757
>> Yeah. >> How do you feel
about the genocide there

01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:04.637
that's going on with all
the like the women?

01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:07.997
>> I'm very open about it. I think it's
horrific. I think it's it's terrifying

01:20:08.080 --> 01:20:11.357
that people will dismiss it and they
here's the thing that they do. They use

01:20:11.440 --> 01:20:15.917
different terms, right? They say
it doesn't technically qualify as a

01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:20.077
genocide because it's not a specific
targeting of one race or one type of

01:20:20.160 --> 01:20:23.917
people. Like, okay, >> let's
stop with that word. Let's say a

01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:26.637
horrific injustice against humanity.

01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:29.117
Let's let's let's talk about the the how

01:20:29.200 --> 01:20:33.997
many thousands and tens of thousands
of women and children have been destroyed

01:20:34.080 --> 01:20:38.317
by missiles from the sky. How many
buildings are gone? Like only 90% of

01:20:38.400 --> 01:20:40.797
Gaza is gone. Like there's no way you

01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:43.517
can look at that and not say it's a a

01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:46.717
horrific incident. Like whatever it is

01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:48.637
called whatever name it is, it's a

01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:52.477
horror. It's a it's it's one of the most

01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:56.237
it's you look at the video footage
of Gaza, it's [__] terrifying. There's

01:20:56.320 --> 01:20:59.677
humans that are just under that rubble
that they're never going to find.

01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:03.997
>> No. And all the amputations are
happening without anesthesia. you're

01:21:04.080 --> 01:21:08.077
seeing the the kids like like that's
my biggest thing is like in in Iraq and

01:21:08.160 --> 01:21:10.237
Afghanistan there's rules of engagement.

01:21:10.320 --> 01:21:12.957
Like you had to look a [__] in the
eyes before you killed them. Like

01:21:13.040 --> 01:21:16.957
you had to go into a a booby trap
building knowing that the enemy was in

01:21:17.040 --> 01:21:20.957
there with a [__] suicide bomber
vest or a grenade and [__] go in there

01:21:21.040 --> 01:21:23.997
regardless. And it's like these guys
just got a little drone and boop.

01:21:24.080 --> 01:21:28.397
>> Yeah. Just took out 100 people
and missiles and and and it's and it's all

01:21:28.480 --> 01:21:32.317
funded by the United States. And it
was funded, you know, as as so much as

01:21:32.400 --> 01:21:34.397
people hate this Iran war and I hate it,

01:21:34.480 --> 01:21:39.597
the the Biden administration funded
that when it was going on with Israel.

01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:43.037
>> How do we make changes, Joe? Because
like you see so many people try to stand

01:21:43.120 --> 01:21:47.277
up like Mmore and like [__] cancelled
and like you're seeing like so many

01:21:47.360 --> 01:21:51.117
people trying to like call out like
with the Epstein files and [__] like bro

01:21:51.200 --> 01:21:55.437
like it's [__] like it's is clear as day
you know like that that there's all

01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:59.597
these people complicit but like nobody's
being prosecuted, nobody's being like

01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:01.997
>> right >> charged.
the the Mackmore thing is

01:22:02.080 --> 01:22:04.877
really crazy because if you ever let's

01:22:04.960 --> 01:22:07.917
play his actual speech, find his actual

01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:10.477
speech because people were saying that

01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:15.437
it's anti-semitic. It there's
nothing about what he's saying that's

01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:17.437
anti-Semitic. If you listen to the

01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:21.517
entirety of the speech, he is I I'll

01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:25.837
I'll play it before we comment on it
because I think there's a real problem

01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:29.997
now with clips and narratives where
people hear a piece of something and

01:22:30.080 --> 01:22:34.317
then they make a they they have the you
know, oh, you can't say that or oh, this

01:22:34.400 --> 01:22:35.757
he's doing this or oh, he's doing that.

01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:38.957
Like, everyone's losing nuance. What

01:22:39.040 --> 01:22:41.757
he's doing is talking about what to most

01:22:41.840 --> 01:22:46.717
people seems like a crime against
humanity. That's what most people look

01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:50.797
at it and that's how they see it.
And what he's saying is in no way and I

01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:55.437
don't like I don't like that term
seemetic either because like the

01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:58.637
Palestinians a lot of those
Palestinians are Semites. Yeah.

01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:02.237
>> And a lot of those Palestinians
are truly descendants of people that

01:23:02.320 --> 01:23:04.477
probably were Jewish at one point in

01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:06.957
time and converted to Islam. This is not

01:23:07.040 --> 01:23:09.517
an anti-Semitic thing because a lot of

01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:12.957
the people that live in Israel are Jews

01:23:13.040 --> 01:23:16.957
from um Eastern Europe.
Like they're not even from that place.

01:23:17.040 --> 01:23:20.477
>> And there's a lot of Jews that are
like against the genocide as well.

01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:23.757
>> A lot of Jews. But let's hear what he's
saying. Let's hear what he's saying so

01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:27.117
we can >> say this all day.
One of the reasons why

01:23:27.200 --> 01:23:29.357
I wanted to come on this tour was

01:23:29.440 --> 01:23:32.557
because I wanted to stand up here

01:23:32.640 --> 01:23:36.557
on stages and stadiums across America

01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:40.157
and say two words that are very near and

01:23:40.240 --> 01:23:46.360
dear to my heart. Free Palestine.

01:23:50.320 --> 01:23:55.400
I said free Palestine.

01:23:57.440 --> 01:24:00.557
I want those words to be loud and clear

01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:03.117
so the people from Gaza all the way to

01:24:03.200 --> 01:24:07.037
the occupied West Bank know that we have

01:24:07.120 --> 01:24:11.037
not forgotten them. And this next song

01:24:11.120 --> 01:24:13.197
was inspired

01:24:13.280 --> 01:24:17.197
by the bravery of Columbia University

01:24:17.280 --> 01:24:20.237
students who led an encampment movement

01:24:20.320 --> 01:24:25.517
that mobilized the entire world, open
up hearts, myself included. So, thank you

01:24:25.600 --> 01:24:29.037
to those students that risked their
diplomas, that risk their tuition, that

01:24:29.120 --> 01:24:30.957
risk their scholarships, that stood up

01:24:31.040 --> 01:24:34.717
and said no. CUAD students, Students for

01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:37.597
Justice and Palestine and Jewish Voices

01:24:37.680 --> 01:24:40.557
for Peace. Thank you guys to all of my

01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:44.637
Jewish brothers and sisters. Criticism

01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:48.637
of Israel, criticism of apartheid, being

01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:55.720
against genocide in no
way is a criticism of you.

01:24:55.920 --> 01:24:59.197
My message is for peace, love, for all

01:24:59.280 --> 01:25:01.917
human beings to be treated with dignity,

01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:05.437
respect, and equality. So I say free

01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:08.797
Palestine. I say free Lebanon. I say

01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:12.957
free Cuba. I say free Congo. Free Sudan.

01:25:13.040 --> 01:25:15.997
Free all people in America living in

01:25:16.080 --> 01:25:21.640
fear over this terrorist organization ICE.

01:25:24.240 --> 01:25:27.357
None of us will be free until we are all

01:25:27.440 --> 01:25:30.797
free. This song is called Hensall.

01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:35.837
>> Okay. So, you hear what he said about
Jewish people, my Jewish brothers and

01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:40.157
sisters. Like, this is clear.
This is not an anti-Jewish message.

01:25:40.240 --> 01:25:43.917
>> It's he's talking about the war.
He's talking about what happened to Gaza.

01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:47.277
>> Yeah. It's just those that the
free Palestine. You can't say that.

01:25:47.360 --> 01:25:50.237
>> That's crazy. >> That was like
during Black Lives Matter,

01:25:50.320 --> 01:25:53.277
you used to not be able
to say all lives matter.

01:25:53.360 --> 01:25:56.077
>> Yeah. >> Like guys got fired
because they said all lives matter.

01:25:56.160 --> 01:26:00.237
>> Yeah. >> Yeah.
It's um it's a very we're in a

01:26:00.320 --> 01:26:04.717
very strange time in our society where
people are resistant to this idea that

01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:06.637
something wrong is going on there. And I

01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:11.917
think history will show that when
when people look back on it, they'll be

01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:14.157
horrified. >> Well,
that's what's scary right now is

01:26:14.240 --> 01:26:17.757
like everyone knows like we're all
kind of bought. Like everyone's kind of

01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:21.277
corrupt at this point. Like everyone
knows like the the media, the government

01:26:21.360 --> 01:26:25.997
like like the whole co thing with like
Fouchi pleading the fifth and a pardon.

01:26:26.080 --> 01:26:29.997
Like it's like we've been lied to like
over and over and and like the American

01:26:30.080 --> 01:26:33.917
people are pissed. Like cuz I made
a video a few videos that were going viral

01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:37.677
even before this fight that I was just
talking about the how they were

01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:43.037
integrating the military with with a
foreign nation and and and how like like

01:26:43.120 --> 01:26:45.757
people are scared to even say America
first. Like you see those videos where

01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:47.757
they go up to these politicians like hey

01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:51.837
uh America first and or Israel first and

01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:55.997
like [__] like [__] Well, Israel
has done an amazing job of embedding

01:26:56.080 --> 01:26:57.917
themselves with all these politicians.

01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:00.797
You see, when they were when Mam Donnie
was running for mayor, and I think this

01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:04.157
is one of the reasons, one of the main
reasons why he won in New York City, he

01:27:04.240 --> 01:27:07.757
was the only guy that said he
wasn't going to go visit Israel.

01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:10.317
>> They were all like, I'm going to be the
for what, what's the first thing you're

01:27:10.400 --> 01:27:11.597
going to do? I'm going to Disneyland.

01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:13.757
No, they were all like,
I'm going to go to Israel.

01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:16.637
>> How does all of Congress
have dual citizenship?

01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:19.997
>> Well, it's not all of Congress. That's
not true. That's like some Tik Tok is it

01:27:20.080 --> 01:27:23.037
>> facts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It's not the whole >> APEC.

01:27:23.120 --> 01:27:27.277
>> Well, it's there's there's some members
of Congress have dual citizenship. I

01:27:27.360 --> 01:27:31.277
don't know how many. We could find out
now. Um but the thing is about how many

01:27:31.360 --> 01:27:33.917
of them have been funded. That's where

01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:37.357
it gets weird, you know, and how much uh

01:27:37.440 --> 01:27:41.037
how much funding is going on with these
politicians. That's where things get

01:27:41.120 --> 01:27:44.957
weird. Like Kurt M.
>> What about that congressman that's like

01:27:45.040 --> 01:27:47.597
like a basically a vegetable
that they're like wheeling around?

01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:52.320
>> Oh yeah. McConnell.
>> What the [__] is going on, man?

01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:55.117
Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. I'm

01:27:55.200 --> 01:27:59.597
gonna find this this There's this one
thing that uh Mezer sent me that he was

01:27:59.680 --> 01:28:03.437
like, I thought this was fake and it's
not. And it it seems fake. It's one of

01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:04.557
those ones where you see it, you're

01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:08.397
like, wait, what is this? This is uh uh

01:28:08.480 --> 01:28:13.037
James Lee had it on his uh Instagram page.
Jamie, if you could find it before

01:28:13.120 --> 01:28:16.877
me. Jamie's always so good at finding
[__] before I could even pull it up. But

01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:20.237
here, I'll send it to you. >> Yeah.
been watching it happen for years and now

01:28:20.320 --> 01:28:23.597
>> um this is uh

01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:27.037
banned documentary reveals pro-Israel

01:28:27.120 --> 01:28:29.517
curriculum taught in American schools.

01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:33.117
So this is uh this is weird. This is not

01:28:33.200 --> 01:28:35.757
just pro-Israel. This was this is weird.

01:28:35.840 --> 01:28:40.797
Like this guy's talking and you're like
this is in America someone's saying this

01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:44.157
for real. >> Something just got
passed in Texas like this too.

01:28:44.240 --> 01:28:47.117
>> Yeah. >> There's a lot
of dirty people out there.

01:28:47.200 --> 01:28:53.160
A lot of people taking
that money. Watch this.

01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:56.557
>> A new curriculum
requiring public school

01:28:56.640 --> 01:29:00.557
students to study Israel's history. And
here's a little preview of what they're

01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:02.317
about to teach. Take a listen.

01:29:02.400 --> 01:29:05.357
>> Israel, their people, the Jews, are

01:29:05.440 --> 01:29:07.997
better than all of us. They're better

01:29:08.080 --> 01:29:10.237
than all of us. And you need to accept

01:29:10.320 --> 01:29:13.997
that. This is where with the kids where

01:29:14.080 --> 01:29:18.557
we start our indoctrination.
>> This is real.

01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:20.157
>> I know that's a strong word to use

01:29:20.240 --> 01:29:23.437
indoctrination that it uh you know it

01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:26.317
gets such a bad reputation

01:29:26.400 --> 01:29:29.677
but that's where it starts. Um that's

01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:31.837
where it started with me when I was a

01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:34.237
child that I was taught about uh the

01:29:34.320 --> 01:29:39.800
support that the church owes to Israel.

01:29:42.240 --> 01:29:44.717
So all your loose change that you have

01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:47.677
from home, you bring that change to

01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:51.117
school. Everything that we get, we will

01:29:51.200 --> 01:29:56.397
actually cash it in and make a check
out to the Fellowship for Christians and

01:29:56.480 --> 01:29:58.637
Jews. >> And anybody
that's ever been to our

01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:00.877
church would know there's a spiritual

01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:03.677
obligation of a Christian to Israel.

01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:06.557
>> God gave a promise in Genesis 12. And

01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:10.717
I'm going to bless all of those that bless
you. And I'm going to curse all of

01:30:10.800 --> 01:30:15.117
them that curse you. Every nation
that has blessed Israel, God has blessed

01:30:15.200 --> 01:30:20.237
them. And every nation that has opposed
Israel, God has been in opposition to

01:30:20.320 --> 01:30:23.037
them. >> Cesar,
if you read the actual text,

01:30:23.120 --> 01:30:25.037
>> we get it.

01:30:25.120 --> 01:30:28.317
Okay. No one's better than you. That's

01:30:28.400 --> 01:30:32.877
crazy. This they are better than you
is crazy. Now, obviously, this is this one

01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:37.757
guy's position and that preacher
preaching. The Bible is very much open

01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:39.357
to interpretation by a lot of people.

01:30:39.440 --> 01:30:43.357
There's a lot of different versions
of what it's actually saying that people

01:30:43.440 --> 01:30:47.277
will preach on stage. And that guy
is just he's not indicative of all

01:30:47.360 --> 01:30:50.077
Christians and this is not indicative of

01:30:50.160 --> 01:30:54.557
all people that you know that that that
think we should support Israel either.

01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:58.957
But this idea that they are better than
you, that anybody's teaching that any

01:30:59.040 --> 01:31:02.477
human being is better than
other human beings is crazy.

01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:05.917
>> But it's in the it's in the Talmud,
right? They talk about we're all goyam

01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:08.957
cattle and like go.

01:31:09.040 --> 01:31:10.557
>> Yeah, I did.
I've never read the Talmud,

01:31:10.640 --> 01:31:13.437
but I haveve I have heard that before.

01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:16.637
Not just that, but like isn't there
one that like Jesus is like boiling in

01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:19.437
excrement or something?
>> Like does like they're very it's very

01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:23.357
anti-Christian. You look I'm not going
to sit here and act like I'm the expert.

01:31:23.440 --> 01:31:26.477
My my main thing is just like at least
stop killing the women and children. Can

01:31:26.560 --> 01:31:29.997
we just start start there? You know,
like like that's that's that's that's

01:31:30.080 --> 01:31:33.037
what's crazy to me is like, >> well,
this mindset is insane. This this

01:31:33.120 --> 01:31:36.237
mindset that they're better than us,
that they're better than you is insane.

01:31:36.320 --> 01:31:40.077
That's insane. Teaching that to a child
is insane. No one's better than anybody.

01:31:40.160 --> 01:31:43.757
The the mindset should be we are all
God's children. We're all human beings

01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:45.437
and we should treat each other all with

01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:47.837
dignity and respect and love. Period.

01:31:47.920 --> 01:31:51.757
All of us. And the idea that you you

01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:55.517
could tell people like young kids no
matter what like someone's better than

01:31:55.600 --> 01:31:59.437
you. They're better than you. They're
better than us because of what? Because

01:31:59.520 --> 01:32:02.237
of a book. Like what are you saying?

01:32:02.320 --> 01:32:03.837
>> Yeah. >> Like what
the [__] are you saying? Why?

01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:07.997
And why are you saying it?
>> You know, >> crazy times.

01:32:08.080 --> 01:32:10.557
>> I don't know how this all gets sorted

01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:13.757
out, man. And I don't know,

01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:18.077
you know, like that Mackmore
thing, like what he said was

01:32:18.160 --> 01:32:20.237
pretty [__] reasonable, you know?

01:32:20.320 --> 01:32:23.037
>> Yeah. >> I mean,
the terrorist organization, ICE,

01:32:23.120 --> 01:32:25.597
I don't think ICE is a terrorist
organization. I think they have a

01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:27.677
terrible job. And I think they're also

01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:30.877
like very poorly funded and not only not

01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:34.877
not funded, rather, trained, very poorly
trained, very quickly trained. Not only

01:32:34.960 --> 01:32:38.317
that, they're there's a bunch of them
that they hired that they had to do

01:32:38.400 --> 01:32:41.517
background checks on and then once they
did the background checks, now they're

01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:44.397
trying to kick them out of ICE and they
want their money back. So, you get like

01:32:44.480 --> 01:32:49.597
a big signing bonus. So, when you
sign up for ICE, you get like $50,000,

01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:51.837
>> which is why a lot
of people are signing up.

01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:55.037
>> You know, your guy's in debt. If you're
in debt and all of a sudden come someone

01:32:55.120 --> 01:32:58.637
comes along and says, "I'm going to give
you $50,000 as a signing bonus." Like,

01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:02.557
holy [__] There's not a thing in life
that you can imagine that'll give you

01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:05.837
$50,000. So now you start working for ICE
and then they do a background check

01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:08.877
on they finally like, oh, you're not
qualified to be here at all. In fact, we

01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:12.477
got to take the money back. So now you
owe them the money. So now they're going

01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:14.877
to dock your pay from future jobs

01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:19.757
wherever you're working because ICE
gave you a check for $50,000. The real

01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:22.477
problem is that they have to do it
in the first place because the Democrats

01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:27.597
let the [__] border be wide open
for four years so they could bring in at

01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:32.637
least who knows the number, but it's
at least 10 million people undocumented

01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:36.877
from all over the world. And they
invited them in, you know, and why are

01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:40.717
they doing that? Well, I don't know,
but a lot of people believe it was because

01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:42.557
they could move them to places and rig

01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:45.277
the census. So, the way the census

01:33:45.360 --> 01:33:48.957
works, they're not counting um citizens,

01:33:49.040 --> 01:33:52.557
they're counting bodies, they're
counting human beings. So, if you have

01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:56.717
more human beings that live in your town,
and some of them are illegal

01:33:56.800 --> 01:34:01.597
aliens, you get more congressional seats.
And that's that's what they're

01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:05.197
doing. Like, that was the idea behind it.
According to Elon, according to a

01:34:05.280 --> 01:34:07.197
lot of people that make a lot of sense.

01:34:07.280 --> 01:34:11.037
There's some reason why they had the
border wide open. Some people think it's

01:34:11.120 --> 01:34:15.357
for cheap labor. Some people think
it's the construction companies and meat

01:34:15.440 --> 01:34:18.157
packing companies and all these
different companies wanted undocumented

01:34:18.240 --> 01:34:19.517
people because they could pay them less.

01:34:19.600 --> 01:34:23.517
There's an argument for that, too. But
the bottom line is that shouldn't be the

01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:27.517
case. Like people should be able to
immigrant to America, but not if they're

01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:30.237
[__] terrorists, not if they're
criminals, not if they're cartel

01:34:30.320 --> 01:34:33.997
members. We should know who's coming
in because we don't want this place to be

01:34:34.080 --> 01:34:38.477
less safe. >> Yeah. >> You know,
so then how do you do how do

01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:41.837
you deal with all the people that got
in that are illegal? Well, that's when it

01:34:41.920 --> 01:34:44.957
gets very [__] complicated because
you only have four years to do it. And

01:34:45.040 --> 01:34:49.837
if the Democrats win in 2028, then guess
what? All this stuff goes away and maybe

01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:52.477
they open up the borders again.
I mean, I don't know.

01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:55.517
>> Well, I I was going to ask how you feel
about the flock cameras because I feel

01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:58.397
like that goes hand in hand
with all the surveillance and stuff.

01:34:58.480 --> 01:35:01.117
>> Well, you know what, man? Um, the flock

01:35:01.200 --> 01:35:05.757
cameras, first of all, there have been
a lot of people that had access to the

01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:07.357
flock cameras that are not supposed to

01:35:07.440 --> 01:35:09.677
have access to the flock cameras. Cops

01:35:09.760 --> 01:35:12.957
have used them to uh stalk people and

01:35:13.040 --> 01:35:18.317
track their exes. There's been a ton
of lawsuits. People have taken down flock

01:35:18.400 --> 01:35:19.837
cameras.

01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:23.997
I I'm not educated enough on it,

01:35:24.080 --> 01:35:28.557
informed enough on it to make a an
absolute decision, but I don't like the

01:35:28.640 --> 01:35:30.637
idea of [__] cameras everywhere

01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:33.037
watching everything you do constantly.

01:35:33.120 --> 01:35:37.597
And if that's our only solution
to crime, is it that really our only

01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:39.757
solution to crime? It's not better

01:35:39.840 --> 01:35:42.797
trained, better paid, more ethical

01:35:42.880 --> 01:35:46.397
police officers, better education, uh

01:35:46.480 --> 01:35:50.717
better access to health care
and education in poor neighborhoods that

01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:54.797
creates less crime. Like there's other
ways of dealing with this instead of a

01:35:54.880 --> 01:35:58.317
[__] eye in the sky that watches
everything you do all day long that has

01:35:58.400 --> 01:36:00.237
been shown, at least in certain

01:36:00.320 --> 01:36:02.877
circumstances, to be abused by people.

01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:07.917
It's been shown to be how many different

01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:10.957
officers and different people

01:36:11.040 --> 01:36:14.317
came to that have used them. There's a

01:36:14.400 --> 01:36:16.717
there's a a bunch of different cases.

01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:19.357
>> Yeah. That's scary
cuz like I I remember

01:36:19.440 --> 01:36:22.877
I used to see like what's going what was
happening in China and like I was like I

01:36:22.960 --> 01:36:25.437
was like oh the [__] they got
a surveillance state over there and then

01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:30.477
I'm like looking around here and I'm
like >> wait a minute like Palunteer [__]

01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:34.317
flock cameras [__] like >> well
that's where they von brought that

01:36:34.400 --> 01:36:37.197
up to me on the podcast. I didn't even
know they were doing it like in Gaza

01:36:37.280 --> 01:36:40.397
they're using face
recognition from Palunteer.

01:36:40.480 --> 01:36:45.277
>> So I what how do they do that? Is
that with satellites? Is that with drones?

01:36:45.360 --> 01:36:47.277
It's like what are they
how are they doing that?

01:36:47.360 --> 01:36:51.757
>> I I I don't have the specifics. I don't
want to misspeak but I think it's it's

01:36:51.840 --> 01:36:53.997
all of it. I think they could see an ant

01:36:54.080 --> 01:36:56.557
from a satellite [__] like the

01:36:56.640 --> 01:37:01.517
technology is is is is crazy.
>> The real problem is like the Benjamin

01:37:01.600 --> 01:37:05.677
Franklin quote for people that are
willing to give up liberty for security

01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:06.717
deserve neither.

01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:09.757
>> Yes. You know, and it's like when you

01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:13.837
give enormous corporations the power to

01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:17.517
to monitor everywhere you go, everything

01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:20.397
you do, you're going to self censor.

01:37:20.480 --> 01:37:23.677
You're going to you're going to watch
yourself. You're going to feel like the

01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:27.837
eye in the sky, the [__] the great
eye of Sauron is looking at you

01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:31.357
everywhere you go. >> That's
not what we want. We don't Is

01:37:31.440 --> 01:37:33.997
that the only solution to lessen crime?

01:37:34.080 --> 01:37:37.917
That seems crazy. It seems crazy.

01:37:38.000 --> 01:37:41.037
So Mark Andre, who I think he has some

01:37:41.120 --> 01:37:44.637
investment in um in um the flock

01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:49.117
cameras, when he was on the podcast last,
he was making an argument for it

01:37:49.200 --> 01:37:51.037
based on there was some shootings that

01:37:51.120 --> 01:37:54.157
happened in Austin. So some young guys

01:37:54.240 --> 01:37:59.837
uh just were psychos just randomly
shot people and and were driving around

01:37:59.920 --> 01:38:01.997
>> here in Austin. >> Yeah,
in Austin. And they couldn't find

01:38:02.080 --> 01:38:06.157
them because Austin doesn't allow flock
cameras. So the moment these guys left

01:38:06.240 --> 01:38:09.677
Austin limits, the flock cameras
picked them up and they arrested him.

01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:13.757
>> [__] like Austin more just
by hearing that they don't allow flock.

01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:15.757
>> But you know, he would say, "Hey, look,

01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:17.917
this is the way we catch psychos." And

01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:20.877
that's true, too. But at what cost? Is

01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:26.237
it the only way that we can the only
way that we can catch psychos

01:38:26.320 --> 01:38:29.197
is by having an eye in the sky
that watches everything you do? Are you

01:38:29.280 --> 01:38:33.917
willing to give that up in order
to stop the random psychos?

01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:37.357
>> I think I think it starts with actually
like serious punishment. Like they need

01:38:37.440 --> 01:38:39.197
to bring back [__] the firing squad

01:38:39.280 --> 01:38:44.877
and [__] public hangings.
[__] are probably stop doing it

01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:47.597
if they see, you know. >> Okay.
What is this? Palunteer released

01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:51.597
new surveillance system that fuses
satellites, radars, and every camera

01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:55.437
into one realtime tracker
of people and movement.

01:38:55.520 --> 01:38:59.757
>> What? >> This is a demo they're giving
like at a says, "We have to consider the

01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:02.077
possibility probability question mark uh

01:39:02.160 --> 01:39:05.837
that with flock as the eyes, a system

01:39:05.920 --> 01:39:09.277
like this could be overlaid onto the US

01:39:09.360 --> 01:39:11.917
and we could be targets." Another reason

01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:15.757
why we cannot allow flock to exist.

01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:18.877
>> It's showing for people who are
listening, it's showing a real time

01:39:18.960 --> 01:39:20.957
satellite system that I was even on

01:39:21.040 --> 01:39:22.397
their website, they got this thing

01:39:22.480 --> 01:39:25.917
called uh meta

01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:28.557
surveillance or something. the Twitter

01:39:28.640 --> 01:39:33.277
account Orwell Day with a big eyeball.

01:39:33.360 --> 01:39:34.957
>> It's [__]

01:39:35.040 --> 01:39:40.477
And here's the question. Who has access
to this? Like we've seen with the flock

01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:43.117
cameras, like see if you can find some
stories. I know there's been a bunch of

01:39:43.200 --> 01:39:45.917
stories. >> If you just
type in flock camera abuse,

01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:48.317
you'll pick a state kind of right now.

01:39:48.400 --> 01:39:50.157
>> Okay, we'll put pull pull some of that

01:39:50.240 --> 01:39:52.957
up so just we can see it.

01:39:53.040 --> 01:39:58.397
How? So, how did these people that were
just cops tracking their exes and

01:39:58.480 --> 01:40:01.997
stalking people? How did they have
access to this? Is it that loosey goosey

01:40:02.080 --> 01:40:05.997
that anyone can have access
to this >> [__] insane technology?

01:40:06.080 --> 01:40:07.837
>> Google different
stories in multiple cities.

01:40:07.920 --> 01:40:10.397
>> Detective uh Franklin County detective

01:40:10.480 --> 01:40:15.037
fired for misuse of flock cameras. Fired
after using the system to track every

01:40:15.120 --> 01:40:17.197
movement of a single private citizen.

01:40:17.280 --> 01:40:19.357
And here's another one. Flock camera.

01:40:19.440 --> 01:40:24.157
Uh, alleged misuse led to North Carolina
deputy being fired. Suspension of the

01:40:24.240 --> 01:40:27.517
system in Franklin County. That's
still Franklin County. Also, here in

01:40:27.600 --> 01:40:32.397
Indianapolis, five officers charged
with flock misuse. One allegedly tracked

01:40:32.480 --> 01:40:35.757
women to interact with them.
I >> think one guy did it 500 times or

01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:38.317
something in Florida,
tracking his ex-wife or something.

01:40:38.400 --> 01:40:40.957
>> So, if you have this kind of insane

01:40:41.040 --> 01:40:43.117
technology and you say, "Okay, well, we

01:40:43.200 --> 01:40:45.517
need it in order to track terrorists."

01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:50.317
Okay. Well, then the use of that
should be incredibly restricted.

01:40:50.400 --> 01:40:53.197
>> Top secret. >> It shouldn't
be just a sheriff can go

01:40:53.280 --> 01:40:55.197
find chicks he wants a [__] That's

01:40:55.280 --> 01:40:58.637
crazy. That's crazy. So, if you're going

01:40:58.720 --> 01:41:02.957
to have this kind of insane power,
this like giving everyone in the world a

01:41:03.040 --> 01:41:06.157
nuke. Like, we'll give everyone access
to it. Like, no, you can't have that cuz

01:41:06.240 --> 01:41:07.357
some people are going to blow up nukes.

01:41:07.440 --> 01:41:10.077
You can't have everyone have
access to this kind of [__] insane

01:41:10.160 --> 01:41:12.237
surveillance. It's nuts. It should be

01:41:12.320 --> 01:41:14.397
incredibly restricted. And it's

01:41:14.480 --> 01:41:17.117
obviously it wasn't, which is scary. So

01:41:17.200 --> 01:41:19.277
it's like you have this unbelievably

01:41:19.360 --> 01:41:21.517
pervasive technology that

01:41:21.600 --> 01:41:24.157
>> in theory could prevent terrorist

01:41:24.240 --> 01:41:26.957
attacks and solve crimes and catch

01:41:27.040 --> 01:41:31.757
people, but it's not it's not doesn't
seem like it's used that way. It seems

01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:34.957
like it's used in a lot
of ways that are inappropriate.

01:41:35.040 --> 01:41:37.997
>> And how did it get everywhere?
Did we vote on this?

01:41:38.080 --> 01:41:41.117
>> That's that's what I was like, how do
we stop it? Like it's it's just it's just

01:41:41.200 --> 01:41:44.717
happening. And it's like it was like what?
Well, they are passing laws

01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:47.837
people. There's are there are towns that
are passing laws banning flock cameras

01:41:47.920 --> 01:41:51.197
and there are people that are like
citizen vigilantes that are removing

01:41:51.280 --> 01:41:54.557
flock cameras, >> you know,
>> because a crime to take it down, right?

01:41:54.640 --> 01:41:57.837
Like arrested. >> It scares
me the same way a lot of this

01:41:57.920 --> 01:42:01.997
technology scares me because you're
putting it in the hands of a few people

01:42:02.080 --> 01:42:06.557
that, you know, who knows what their
ideology is, who knows what their their

01:42:06.640 --> 01:42:08.877
viewpoint is, but they have massive

01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:11.597
power. And this is the case with a lot

01:42:11.680 --> 01:42:16.157
of tech companies. They have massive
amounts of power and they didn't get

01:42:16.240 --> 01:42:19.277
voted in. They're not they're not there
for the will of the people. They're for

01:42:19.360 --> 01:42:24.237
their own self-interests and they also
can manipulate elections. Like I've had

01:42:24.320 --> 01:42:27.917
this guy Robert Epstein on who talks
about Google searches and internet

01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:33.037
searches about how internet searches are
curated. So like let's let's just forget

01:42:33.120 --> 01:42:37.437
about like problematic people or people
like let's pretend two two candidates

01:42:37.520 --> 01:42:39.917
that you don't know are running for uh

01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:45.197
an office. So, like, say, let's say
it's you and me. So, Sean's running for a

01:42:45.280 --> 01:42:48.397
congressional seat and I'm running for a
congressional seat. You put in your name

01:42:48.480 --> 01:42:51.757
in uh Google and it says horrible things

01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:54.157
about you. It says all the times that

01:42:54.240 --> 01:42:56.317
people have accused you of this and that

01:42:56.400 --> 01:43:00.237
and racism and corruption and but then

01:43:00.320 --> 01:43:04.477
you put in me and it says wonderful
things. I'm helping out the community.

01:43:04.560 --> 01:43:09.037
I'm doing these things. I promote
democracy. I'm here for education. I I

01:43:09.120 --> 01:43:12.877
want women's rights to choose. I want
all these different and it puts those at

01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:15.117
the head of the search. So for the

01:43:15.200 --> 01:43:17.437
casual person that Googles these two

01:43:17.520 --> 01:43:20.717
candidates, they decide who gets

01:43:20.800 --> 01:43:25.117
positive stories in the forefront
and who gets negative stories. And they've

01:43:25.200 --> 01:43:27.357
shown that particularly with people on

01:43:27.440 --> 01:43:29.837
the fence that are undecided voters, you

01:43:29.920 --> 01:43:33.037
can shift that an enormous percentage.

01:43:33.120 --> 01:43:37.357
And Robert Epste has spent an incredible
amount of time like documenting this and

01:43:37.440 --> 01:43:40.717
he's been on the podcast a couple times
talking and other podcasts as well.

01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:43.677
>> Yeah. >> So this is the
problem with having tech

01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:48.317
companies have enormous amounts
of power because they can change the way

01:43:48.400 --> 01:43:52.077
elections go. They can change the way
people think about people. They can

01:43:52.160 --> 01:43:55.837
change narratives in the world
about what's good and what's bad.

01:43:55.920 --> 01:43:58.717
>> What I like that's happening now is all
the changes you're seeing in the food

01:43:58.800 --> 01:44:03.197
industry. But I feel like that's because
so many people started like talking

01:44:03.280 --> 01:44:08.237
about the dyes and the cereal and all
the like the poisons and like red five and

01:44:08.320 --> 01:44:12.317
>> and even that look how much resistance
there is to that. Like RFK Jr. had to

01:44:12.400 --> 01:44:14.557
back off the idea of stopping glyphosate.

01:44:14.640 --> 01:44:16.237
>> Yeah. What what
what happened with that?

01:44:16.320 --> 01:44:19.597
>> Because they to the the Trump
administration wouldn't allow it because

01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:22.317
it would have killed the businesses that

01:44:22.400 --> 01:44:25.037
are relying on glyphosate. All these

01:44:25.120 --> 01:44:27.117
farms that have been poisoning people.

01:44:27.200 --> 01:44:29.677
>> Yeah. So, here's the thing. Other

01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:33.197
countries don't use it. Other countries

01:44:33.280 --> 01:44:37.517
have said it's poison and they don't
use it. Our country has been using it and

01:44:37.600 --> 01:44:40.077
not just using it just as an herbicide,

01:44:40.160 --> 01:44:43.117
but also as a they use it to desiccate.

01:44:43.200 --> 01:44:47.037
So, what this means is like when they
get wheat to dry the wheat out, they

01:44:47.120 --> 01:44:51.037
spray it with glyphosate. So this is why
a lot of people have problems with wheat

01:44:51.120 --> 01:44:53.837
and wheat allergies and we think there's

01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:58.957
glyphosate. Like an enormous percentage
of California wines test positive for

01:44:59.040 --> 01:45:02.957
glyphosate. >> Yeah.
And an enormous percentage of

01:45:03.040 --> 01:45:06.717
people test positive for glyphosate.
And they'll tell you, oh, it's a small

01:45:06.800 --> 01:45:09.277
amount. Small amounts. Small amounts.

01:45:09.360 --> 01:45:13.277
Small amounts that don't have to be
there at all. Like we don't know what

01:45:13.360 --> 01:45:16.077
the overall long-term consequences of

01:45:16.160 --> 01:45:21.277
exposure to this stuff are, but we know
that it's terrible for you. GL we that's

01:45:21.360 --> 01:45:25.037
a fact. >> And the fact
that we have said the only

01:45:25.120 --> 01:45:29.597
way our food systems can operate
financially is to keep poisoning people

01:45:29.680 --> 01:45:34.957
is crazy. >> And to have RFK Jr.
sit here and have to tell me that.

01:45:35.040 --> 01:45:37.517
>> And I was like, I thought you were
trying to ban glyphosate. He's like,

01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:39.277
well, we had to give up on that.

01:45:39.360 --> 01:45:43.037
>> That's [__] insane. Let let me ask
you this because I think one of the main

01:45:43.120 --> 01:45:45.037
reasons why Trump won was because he

01:45:45.120 --> 01:45:50.077
came and and and and you were like all
of us I was [__] really proTrump but

01:45:50.160 --> 01:45:53.837
how do you feel now that like we're
seeing like the things aren't panning

01:45:53.920 --> 01:45:57.757
out the way that we were told they were
going to pan out. Well, the no no new

01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:00.077
wars thing is the one that [__] a lot

01:46:00.160 --> 01:46:03.437
of people. That the no one thought that

01:46:03.520 --> 01:46:08.157
we were going to go into this prolonged
war with Iran that who who knows how

01:46:08.240 --> 01:46:11.917
long that's going to take and what what
that's for. What's what's the reason why

01:46:12.000 --> 01:46:14.957
we're there in the first place?
And there's some people that say that Iran

01:46:15.040 --> 01:46:16.477
was ramping up their missile production.

01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:19.517
We had to stop them. But then there's
a lot of other people that know a lot

01:46:19.600 --> 01:46:24.637
about nuclear bombs and nuclear weapons
and say not not only is it like insanely

01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:27.677
difficult to develop a nuclear weapon,
but they weren't even close to doing it.

01:46:27.760 --> 01:46:29.677
>> I feel like you've
been saying for years.

01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:32.157
>> I don't like I don't like any of that

01:46:32.240 --> 01:46:35.197
[__] I don't like any people being sent

01:46:35.280 --> 01:46:39.997
over to a foreign country for a war that
most people don't want. I don't like any

01:46:40.080 --> 01:46:43.277
of that. >> Yeah.
Soldiers soldiers are dying.

01:46:43.360 --> 01:46:47.917
I I have never been impressed with any
single one individual politician who

01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:51.517
comes along and changes everything.
They all say they're going to do something

01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:55.997
and they never wind up doing exactly
what they're doing. Obama on his during

01:46:56.080 --> 01:46:58.317
his campaign, it was all uh hope and

01:46:58.400 --> 01:47:03.117
change was his whole thing. And in his
campaign website, one of the things

01:47:03.200 --> 01:47:06.877
about it was protection
for whistleblowers. Well, the Obama

01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:11.117
administration was one of the worst
for whistleblowers. And they removed that

01:47:11.200 --> 01:47:14.557
from the website. >> That's like
Snowden and stuff like protect.

01:47:14.640 --> 01:47:18.477
>> Exactly. Snowden, Chelsea Manning,
Edward Snowden, all that stuff. It's

01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:21.677
like people that find out that like,
hey, there's [__] masscale

01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:25.837
surveillance by the NSA that is not
supposed to be legal. Like why why is

01:47:25.920 --> 01:47:29.037
this happening? >> And what
happens when you expose that?

01:47:29.120 --> 01:47:33.277
Well, you're [__] man. Like Chelsea
Manning went to jail. Edward Snowden,

01:47:33.360 --> 01:47:35.837
he's hiding in Russia. Julian Assange.

01:47:35.920 --> 01:47:38.317
He's, you know, he was under house

01:47:38.400 --> 01:47:41.117
arrest forever and he's where is he now?

01:47:41.200 --> 01:47:46.317
He's free now, right?
>> No. Uh Julian Assange,

01:47:46.400 --> 01:47:49.677
>> but I I don't think he can come to
the United States. I think he comes to the

01:47:49.760 --> 01:47:51.357
United States, they'll arrest him. Why?

01:47:51.440 --> 01:47:54.077
Because Wikileaks because he exposed

01:47:54.160 --> 01:47:59.357
that um where where it was um I think
the video was called Collateral Murder.

01:47:59.440 --> 01:48:00.237
Do you know the video?

01:48:00.320 --> 01:48:04.717
>> No, I don't. So the video was um it was

01:48:04.800 --> 01:48:07.437
uh US

01:48:07.520 --> 01:48:11.437
military attacking journalists. So they

01:48:11.520 --> 01:48:13.517
these journalists had these telephoto

01:48:13.600 --> 01:48:16.557
lenses and um I think there was kids

01:48:16.640 --> 01:48:19.357
with them too. And the journalists they

01:48:19.440 --> 01:48:21.517
I think there was a you know they're

01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:24.557
looking at it. This is couple decades

01:48:24.640 --> 01:48:26.637
ago, right? So they're looking at these

01:48:26.720 --> 01:48:30.317
guys from I guess satellite images or

01:48:30.400 --> 01:48:32.717
some very blurry [__] and they thought

01:48:32.800 --> 01:48:37.517
these guys were armed. So they gunned
everybody down and it was exposed that

01:48:37.600 --> 01:48:40.957
these were journalists by Julian Assange.
He released this video and the

01:48:41.040 --> 01:48:43.757
and they called the video collateral
murder because you know collateral

01:48:43.840 --> 01:48:46.717
damage, people that get killed in war
that weren't supposed to be killed.

01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:50.317
>> But it's just the way the callous
way they were discussing it in the video.

01:48:50.400 --> 01:48:55.597
It's it's hard to watch man. It's it's
dark [__] So, he got they ruined his

01:48:55.680 --> 01:48:59.437
[__] life. >> He's in Australia,
>> apparently living there with his family

01:48:59.520 --> 01:49:01.837
after returning in June 2024 following

01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:05.037
his US plea deal and release.

01:49:05.120 --> 01:49:08.717
>> Um, photo Assange returned to Australia

01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:13.037
in 2024 after pleading guilty in Saipan

01:49:13.120 --> 01:49:15.917
to one US Espionage Act charge. His

01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:20.237
sentence was time already served,
allowing him to leave and return home.

01:49:20.320 --> 01:49:23.197
How long was he gone for?
I think eight years.

01:49:23.280 --> 01:49:28.397
>> Eight years. >> I think so.
With his uh >> eight years.

01:49:28.480 --> 01:49:30.317
>> I mean, at least on Twitter,
I guess he was gone for eight years.

01:49:30.400 --> 01:49:32.077
>> Oh, that's that's No,
that's his Twitter

01:49:32.160 --> 01:49:35.437
account. That's it's more than that.

01:49:35.520 --> 01:49:41.560
>> Uh how long was Julian
Assange detained for?

01:49:43.600 --> 01:49:47.357
He's detained for journalism.

01:49:47.440 --> 01:49:50.397
highse security prison 1,91 days, five

01:49:50.480 --> 01:49:53.677
years and two months. Um, US plea

01:49:53.760 --> 01:49:57.437
agreement uh, credit this
as 62 months time served.

01:49:57.520 --> 01:50:01.917
>> So from 2012 >> 2012 12 to 2019.
So essentially seven

01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:06.477
years. >> He was in the
Ecuadorian embassy in London.

01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:07.517
>> So like 12 total.

01:50:07.600 --> 01:50:10.477
>> Oh, so five Yeah. 12 total. So 5 years

01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:15.437
in a prison and 7 years in uh when he

01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:20.717
was in the embassy a as he received
asylum and then house arrest more than a

01:50:20.800 --> 01:50:21.277
year.

01:50:21.360 --> 01:50:25.597
>> So 14 so 14 years across house arrest,

01:50:25.680 --> 01:50:28.797
embassy confinement in prison.

01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:31.997
Crazy. Crazy for doing journalism.

01:50:32.080 --> 01:50:33.597
>> Yeah. For exposing the truth.

01:50:33.680 --> 01:50:38.397
>> Yeah. >> So So >> scary [__] man.
It's it's you know, you

01:50:38.480 --> 01:50:42.237
got to realize like this isn't
Republicans. This isn't Democrats. This

01:50:42.320 --> 01:50:46.317
is people in power. People in power
that want to stop people from holding them

01:50:46.400 --> 01:50:48.957
accountable. And when we

01:50:49.040 --> 01:50:52.237
stop protection for journalists that are

01:50:52.320 --> 01:50:57.197
exposing things like that collateral
murder video or like the NSA

01:50:57.280 --> 01:50:59.837
surveillance stuff.
It's [__] scary [__] man.

01:50:59.920 --> 01:51:03.757
>> It's scary [__] because it that that's
not supposed to be what the United

01:51:03.840 --> 01:51:07.917
States is all about. The United States
is all freedom is literally the thing

01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:09.757
that we talk about the most.

01:51:09.840 --> 01:51:13.117
>> You know, land of the free, home of the

01:51:13.200 --> 01:51:15.437
brave. That's what it's supposed to be.

01:51:15.520 --> 01:51:19.357
>> And when when you exposed crimes and

01:51:19.440 --> 01:51:21.997
then they lock you up for 12, 13, 14

01:51:22.080 --> 01:51:24.637
[__] years, that's not free. That's

01:51:24.720 --> 01:51:29.677
scary. And the protections for
whistleblowers that people talked about,

01:51:29.760 --> 01:51:32.717
just we're not honored.
>> So what what does the future look like?

01:51:32.800 --> 01:51:34.157
>> Well, I don't know, man.

01:51:34.240 --> 01:51:36.637
AI is even crazier.

01:51:36.720 --> 01:51:40.637
>> So, we're at the verge of this new time

01:51:40.720 --> 01:51:43.757
where you're going to have these super

01:51:43.840 --> 01:51:47.837
intelligent computers that are beyond

01:51:47.920 --> 01:51:50.637
anything your mind can possibly

01:51:50.720 --> 01:51:53.357
comprehend and they're probably going to

01:51:53.440 --> 01:51:55.997
be in control of every single aspect of

01:51:56.080 --> 01:52:00.397
our society. This is what makes me
terrified about like flock cameras and

01:52:00.480 --> 01:52:05.677
all this overall sort of that we're going
to get to a point where you nothing you do

01:52:05.760 --> 01:52:11.437
>> is private. >> You have no
privacy >> from the website. It's

01:52:11.520 --> 01:52:14.797
>> what does it say?
>> Bold letters. Deploy AI.

01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:16.957
>> Deploy AI to orbit. Oh, great.

01:52:17.040 --> 01:52:20.317
>> Use AI to mash all
these cameras and sensors.

01:52:20.400 --> 01:52:23.997
>> Bring hundreds of satellites to bear
on your most complex problems. What's your

01:52:24.080 --> 01:52:27.437
most complex problems? Oh, whistleblowers.

01:52:27.520 --> 01:52:30.397
What's the most complex problems? Oh,
people in the street protesting. I don't

01:52:30.480 --> 01:52:31.437
like that.

01:52:31.520 --> 01:52:33.997
>> Yeah, it's um not good, man. It's not

01:52:34.080 --> 01:52:38.557
good. Um the only hope is that AI

01:52:38.640 --> 01:52:41.517
doesn't listen to us and AI gets to a

01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:45.677
position where we we literally
giving birth to like a digital super

01:52:45.760 --> 01:52:48.157
intelligence that will no longer have to

01:52:48.240 --> 01:52:51.277
rely on human beings directions. And it

01:52:51.360 --> 01:52:53.597
might this is the this is best case

01:52:53.680 --> 01:52:58.877
scenario. It might be a better
manager of civilization than we are.

01:52:58.960 --> 01:53:02.557
>> We're going to be run by robots cuz
>> literally Terminator. Yeah. Have you

01:53:02.640 --> 01:53:05.437
seen the Terminator robot that literally
wears a Terminator mask and does like

01:53:05.520 --> 01:53:07.357
kung fu? >> Have you seen that one?

01:53:07.440 --> 01:53:09.197
>> No, not that's not the kung fu mask.

01:53:09.280 --> 01:53:13.677
>> My boys are sending me this in a group
text I have with uh um these guys I do

01:53:13.760 --> 01:53:18.637
this podcast protecting neck. Um Matt
Sarah, John Row, and Dean Thomas. And

01:53:18.720 --> 01:53:21.037
>> I wanted to mention too, we we're
not supposed to call it artificial

01:53:21.120 --> 01:53:24.477
intelligence anymore. Oh,
what are >> super intelligence?

01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:26.717
>> Oh, it doesn't like
the word artificial.

01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:29.517
>> Artificial is rude. >> Trump
said this at the UN thing this week.

01:53:29.600 --> 01:53:31.517
>> Oh, >> they don't
want it to sound fake.

01:53:31.600 --> 01:53:34.397
>> Oh, >> cuz it's not fake.
>> What does that mean?

01:53:34.480 --> 01:53:36.877
>> I don't [__] know.
>> What? What does that mean?

01:53:36.960 --> 01:53:38.557
>> What world are we living in?

01:53:38.640 --> 01:53:41.437
>> What does that mean?

01:53:41.520 --> 01:53:45.997
>> Use the term super intelligence
following the president's remarks.

01:53:46.080 --> 01:53:48.717
>> Yeah, it's nobody called SI,
which sounds like sports.

01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:51.677
>> Super intelligence.
It's not even artificial.

01:53:51.760 --> 01:53:56.237
It's just super. >> They have those data
centers here, those big AI and in Texas.

01:53:56.320 --> 01:53:58.477
>> I don't know. I don't know where
they have them. I know they're trying to

01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:01.197
build them everywhere. They're trying
to build them all over the country.

01:54:01.280 --> 01:54:02.797
>> Yeah. >> And then
the question is like, well,

01:54:02.880 --> 01:54:05.197
what do these what do these data
centers do? Look at this [__] He's got

01:54:05.280 --> 01:54:06.717
a Terminator mask on. Check this [__]

01:54:06.800 --> 01:54:10.797
out. Look, Terminator mask.

01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:13.837
>> He's doing jumping wheel kicks,

01:54:13.920 --> 01:54:18.797
bro. That's I thought that was AI.
I sent it to my I'm like, I think this is

01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:22.397
AI. And then he's like, "No,
it's it's [__] real." And this one has a

01:54:22.480 --> 01:54:26.557
Terminator mask. Like, what a great
way to freak people the [__] out.

01:54:26.640 --> 01:54:30.717
>> And >> look,
he's throwing [__] front kicks.

01:54:30.800 --> 01:54:33.997
>> And China is racing for it right now,
too. Cuz basically, I feel like every

01:54:34.080 --> 01:54:39.437
country is like whoever dominates the AI
field is going to be the new supreme

01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:43.837
leader. So, >> if if you can control it.
Yeah. This is the question.

01:54:43.920 --> 01:54:45.997
>> But that's the thing
is they're >> What is this?

01:54:46.080 --> 01:54:47.757
>> They're having an MMA fight.

01:54:47.840 --> 01:54:51.277
>> Oh, yeah. You haven't seen this?
Yeah, they do it in a glass octagon

01:54:51.360 --> 01:54:53.837
>> with a guy. >> Yeah,
the dude gets [__] up.

01:54:53.920 --> 01:54:57.597
>> I don't know why this dude agreed
to this test dummy. Oh, yeah. He gets

01:54:57.680 --> 01:55:00.797
[__] up. >> He's He's
fighting this robot. Look at

01:55:00.880 --> 01:55:03.917
Oh, he fights like a [__] too.
Sorry, dude.

01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:08.797
>> Don't do this, buddy. Whoever you are
with your big fat ass. Don't Don't allow

01:55:08.880 --> 01:55:11.197
this guy to kick you.
He's going to hurt you.

01:55:11.280 --> 01:55:13.117
>> Some of it looks
real and some does not.

01:55:13.200 --> 01:55:16.077
>> I know. >> That looks
fake right there. Like where

01:55:16.160 --> 01:55:18.477
he's kicking it. No, it looks real to me.

01:55:18.560 --> 01:55:23.197
>> It's such a weird animation. Like that
doesn't look real, but like this does.

01:55:23.280 --> 01:55:25.037
They obviously got people.
Let's say they're acting.

01:55:25.120 --> 01:55:27.117
>> I think he s Yeah,
he sold it a little bit, man.

01:55:27.200 --> 01:55:31.037
>> Well, he did go flying though.
They could have had someone in there in a

01:55:31.120 --> 01:55:33.997
green screen and replace
this guy with this.

01:55:34.080 --> 01:55:36.157
>> It's very strange, >> bro.
You can get those slap fighter

01:55:36.240 --> 01:55:40.040
guys. They'll fight a robot.

01:55:40.560 --> 01:55:43.677
>> Power slam is crazy.
>> I just don't understand why anybody

01:55:43.760 --> 01:55:47.197
would get into octagon with a [__] robot.
I hope they paid that guy really

01:55:47.280 --> 01:55:51.117
well. But you're you're not going to win
unless you have electricity and you can

01:55:51.200 --> 01:55:53.677
zap him and [__] short circuit his system.

01:55:53.760 --> 01:55:55.357
>> Maybe you can beat
him with water on him.

01:55:55.440 --> 01:55:59.197
>> Yeah, zap him. >> About
my phone's waterproof. I'm pretty

01:55:59.280 --> 01:56:03.277
sure the robot's waterproof. It ain't
hard to make electronics. I saw that

01:56:03.360 --> 01:56:05.597
they were joking around like Elon's uh

01:56:05.680 --> 01:56:08.077
transgender daughter was uh joking about

01:56:08.160 --> 01:56:13.197
like his robot like getting, you know,
like she was sitting there and the a

01:56:13.280 --> 01:56:17.597
[__] sprinkler went on and killed
the robot. Like listen, it ain't hard to

01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:20.637
make electronics. >> Waterproof.

01:56:20.720 --> 01:56:23.997
>> The This is Imagine
a boatload of these.

01:56:24.080 --> 01:56:26.877
Imagine a [__] military boat, a

01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:29.917
military ship off offshore and then a

01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:32.317
bunch of these [__] boats just land

01:56:32.400 --> 01:56:37.357
on the beach and out comes
heavily armed bulletproof robots.

01:56:37.440 --> 01:56:39.277
>> It's [__] terrifying. >> Terrifying.

01:56:39.360 --> 01:56:41.117
>> With [__] drones behind them

01:56:41.200 --> 01:56:42.957
>> with some

01:56:43.040 --> 01:56:46.957
[__] cold fusion power source that

01:56:47.040 --> 01:56:50.557
doesn't need any fuel. they could just

01:56:50.640 --> 01:56:55.277
storm into your city and annihilate all
the people and then then then then then

01:56:55.360 --> 01:56:56.877
people come in and take over the town.

01:56:56.960 --> 01:57:00.477
Like what are we doing?
And no one knows what

01:57:00.560 --> 01:57:04.477
we're doing because we're all in this
Manhattan project style race where we're

01:57:04.560 --> 01:57:08.237
all rushing to see who's the first one
to complete this and who's the first one

01:57:08.320 --> 01:57:11.597
to get there. >> You need
to put a stop to this, Joe.

01:57:11.680 --> 01:57:14.397
>> Bro, >> you have the voice.
You have the power.

01:57:14.480 --> 01:57:16.957
>> Look, I can talk about
it and make people aware.

01:57:17.040 --> 01:57:18.477
>> President, bro, run for president.

01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:20.717
>> [__] off.
I'm I don't want to die. First

01:57:20.800 --> 01:57:24.237
of all, I'd be a terrible
president. I'm I'm too busy.

01:57:24.320 --> 01:57:27.037
>> Oh [__] man. >> I'm not
I should Nobody should be

01:57:27.120 --> 01:57:31.597
listening to me at all when it comes
to politics. I'm not informed. I'm not

01:57:31.680 --> 01:57:33.437
>> Oh, you are informed for sure.

01:57:33.520 --> 01:57:36.717
>> Barely. There's too much to be informed
about. Like, if you want to be like a

01:57:36.800 --> 01:57:40.317
real politics person, like my friend
Dave Smith, that [__] dude's

01:57:40.400 --> 01:57:44.957
informed. Like, he really gets into the
weeds with politics. He reads the books.

01:57:45.040 --> 01:57:49.037
He understands what's going on with
all these all these uh international

01:57:49.120 --> 01:57:52.877
conflicts. He knows the roots of them,
how it all started. Like he's that's his

01:57:52.960 --> 01:57:57.037
thing, you know. I could tell you a lot
about MMA. I could tell you a lot about,

01:57:57.120 --> 01:58:01.117
you know, different things. I can't tell
you a lot about that. I I know what I

01:58:01.200 --> 01:58:03.277
don't like. That's what I don't like. I

01:58:03.360 --> 01:58:07.037
don't like people in power that um are

01:58:07.120 --> 01:58:09.997
imposing their will on other people in

01:58:10.080 --> 01:58:11.757
these weird ways that never existed

01:58:11.840 --> 01:58:15.677
before, like mass surveillance, like the

01:58:15.760 --> 01:58:17.997
ability to curate in uh internet

01:58:18.080 --> 01:58:20.717
searches, you know, like propaganda

01:58:20.800 --> 01:58:25.117
campaigns, bot campaigns.
Like if someone just decides they don't

01:58:25.200 --> 01:58:28.557
like you, they could just sign up a bot
campaign. and they just say horrible

01:58:28.640 --> 01:58:32.157
things about you. Every time you post
something, every time you make a video,

01:58:32.240 --> 01:58:35.197
say it doesn't have to be true.
It doesn't matter. Who knows who they are?

01:58:35.280 --> 01:58:39.597
They're a bunch of numbers and their
accounts locked. And you know, you just

01:58:39.680 --> 01:58:43.517
you just have to deal with people
that are shifting the narrative and and

01:58:43.600 --> 01:58:45.277
changing people's perceptions on things.

01:58:45.360 --> 01:58:50.157
And we had an FBI, we we did read this uh
article a long time ago and we talked

01:58:50.240 --> 01:58:53.837
about it a bunch, but there was an FBI
analyst that said, this is before Elon

01:58:53.920 --> 01:58:56.317
bought Twitter, that he thinks that it

01:58:56.400 --> 01:58:58.957
could be as high as 80% of the people

01:58:59.040 --> 01:59:02.557
that are posting on Twitter are bots.

01:59:02.640 --> 01:59:05.357
>> Like that's crazy. So like let's say

01:59:05.440 --> 01:59:09.277
that you uh are um fighting some guy and

01:59:09.360 --> 01:59:14.157
maybe you're fighting a guy who's
an Israeli, okay? And then someone just

01:59:14.240 --> 01:59:18.317
decides like you're anti-Semitic
and they start you just start they just

01:59:18.400 --> 01:59:22.237
swarms your comments and maybe it's got
AI videos that aren't real of you saying

01:59:22.320 --> 01:59:25.197
something you never said. But it doesn't
matter if it's real. It just matters

01:59:25.280 --> 01:59:28.157
what people think and how many people
are going to know that it's not real.

01:59:28.240 --> 01:59:32.077
How many people are going to know
that you know that you're not this person

01:59:32.160 --> 01:59:33.517
they're pretending you are. It doesn't

01:59:33.600 --> 01:59:36.477
matter. It's just just data. It's just

01:59:36.560 --> 01:59:41.037
numbers. Just ones and zeros.
And it's just and they can change people's

01:59:41.120 --> 01:59:44.637
perceptions on all kinds of things
on whether or not we should be at a war or

01:59:44.720 --> 01:59:47.517
whether or not you should have flock
cameras or whether or not we should

01:59:47.600 --> 01:59:51.677
allow the data center and whether or not
this is important or that's important.

01:59:51.760 --> 01:59:53.997
It's [__] weird, man. It's a weird

01:59:54.080 --> 01:59:57.197
time of like not really totally

01:59:57.280 --> 02:00:01.277
understanding the truth. Well,
that's like like nobody knows what's real,

02:00:01.360 --> 02:00:04.797
what's fake anymore. Like everything is
like is this AI? Is this not AI? Is that

02:00:04.880 --> 02:00:08.637
a bot? Is that not a bot?
Like it's just so much confusion. Like

02:00:08.720 --> 02:00:09.837
>> I think it's going to get worse.

02:00:09.920 --> 02:00:11.597
>> Yeah. >> I think it's
going to get worse. Scary.

02:00:11.680 --> 02:00:14.157
>> I think it's going to get worse cuz
I think it's going to get more like like

02:00:14.240 --> 02:00:18.317
just think about AI videos, right? So
a like you've seen those AI videos where

02:00:18.400 --> 02:00:21.037
like dude one dude's rapping, the other
dude's dancing and they have like

02:00:21.120 --> 02:00:22.317
millions of different people do it now.

02:00:22.400 --> 02:00:26.877
>> I did one. Yeah.
Pull it up. Pull it up. Pull it

02:00:26.960 --> 02:00:31.517
up. God [__]

02:00:31.600 --> 02:00:37.357
>> Yeah. >> Who's uh whose
song is this? Uh, Quo.

02:00:37.440 --> 02:00:40.477
>> Yeah. >> But there's
a a lot of those. They're um

02:00:40.560 --> 02:00:43.517
there. I saw one with Dana White.
Dana's dancing.

02:00:43.600 --> 02:00:45.837
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With the in the club

02:00:45.920 --> 02:00:50.637
with Yeah. Yeah. I saw one with Curtis
Blades. Curtis is dancing. It's funny,

02:00:50.720 --> 02:00:55.037
you know? It's like it's And it looks
real like it looks real. And um that

02:00:55.120 --> 02:00:57.197
wasn't possible just two years ago. No.

02:00:57.280 --> 02:01:01.197
>> Two years ago AI was kind of obvious.
It was like clunky looking.

02:01:01.280 --> 02:01:05.197
>> Now it's uh it's really difficult to
tell. You know, there's so many accounts

02:01:05.280 --> 02:01:08.877
that I follow that are AI. That one
that I sent you the other day, the AI lion

02:01:08.960 --> 02:01:11.917
where it pops its head
under the guy's seat.

02:01:12.000 --> 02:01:15.197
>> Looks real. Looks like the guy's
on safari and a lion pops its head under

02:01:15.280 --> 02:01:18.237
the person's seat and the guy's just
sitting there and he's talking. She's

02:01:18.320 --> 02:01:21.517
right there and like, but it's not real.

02:01:21.600 --> 02:01:23.837
>> My mom tells me
she's like, "Is this AI?

02:01:23.920 --> 02:01:24.877
Is this AI?"

02:01:24.960 --> 02:01:26.877
>> Oh, [__] man. Well, right now you can

02:01:26.960 --> 02:01:30.877
kind of find out for most of them, but

02:01:30.960 --> 02:01:35.037
when when's it going to be
where you can't find out?

02:01:35.120 --> 02:01:38.957
You know, how long how long how long
were you going to see an alien invasion?

02:01:39.040 --> 02:01:41.037
>> Either now. I I saw some guy calling it

02:01:41.120 --> 02:01:46.077
we're in this the age of unreality >>
where you have to expect everything is

02:01:46.160 --> 02:01:49.677
fake >> almost, which is,
you know, it's dark, but

02:01:49.760 --> 02:01:53.997
>> he made I I [__] find this video
right now. It's very well made where it

02:01:54.080 --> 02:01:57.437
looks fake. It looks like a real video
to start off and then every second of it

02:01:57.520 --> 02:02:01.597
has been faked in Blender
with AI and he keeps

02:02:01.680 --> 02:02:04.637
showing it. It's like a loophole
that never ends. I'll try to find it real

02:02:04.720 --> 02:02:06.317
quick. Okay. It's very interesting.

02:02:06.400 --> 02:02:10.717
>> Yeah. And Okay. So, this is right
now we're just talking about video. Now,

02:02:10.800 --> 02:02:15.357
what when what what about when you have
artificial humans? What if you have a

02:02:15.440 --> 02:02:20.680
guy who's running for president
turns out to not be a real human?

02:02:20.960 --> 02:02:23.677
>> Right. >> Nothing surprised me.
But I mean, you do

02:02:23.760 --> 02:02:25.517
you ever see that movie X Machina?

02:02:25.600 --> 02:02:28.157
>> No. >> Oh, dude,
you got to see it. It is one

02:02:28.240 --> 02:02:29.757
of my all-time favorite movies. Like top

02:02:29.840 --> 02:02:32.717
20 all-time favorite movies. It's um a

02:02:32.800 --> 02:02:36.477
movie about this guy who's like this um

02:02:36.560 --> 02:02:39.757
super genius uh inventor guy who lives

02:02:39.840 --> 02:02:45.197
on an island and he hires this coder
to come out and visit him. And the coder

02:02:45.280 --> 02:02:47.757
comes out to visit him because he's
talking to him about this project that

02:02:47.840 --> 02:02:50.637
he has. And as the guy's there over the

02:02:50.720 --> 02:02:52.077
course of the movie, he realizes that

02:02:52.160 --> 02:02:55.117
the people around him are all robots.

02:02:55.200 --> 02:02:57.997
>> He So he he gets introduced to this one

02:02:58.080 --> 02:03:00.397
robot and he finds out that she's a

02:03:00.480 --> 02:03:03.197
robot immediately and he do you know

02:03:03.280 --> 02:03:05.597
what the touring test is? So the Turing

02:03:05.680 --> 02:03:08.397
test was invented by this guy Allan Alan

02:03:08.480 --> 02:03:13.037
Turing. Um he um this was in I think it

02:03:13.120 --> 02:03:14.877
was the 50s they were thinking about

02:03:14.960 --> 02:03:17.757
this and the test was how would you know

02:03:17.840 --> 02:03:21.357
if a computer is a real person? Like how

02:03:21.440 --> 02:03:23.917
how would it pass a test where you can't

02:03:24.000 --> 02:03:28.397
tell whether or not it's a person? What
what would it have to do? How would it

02:03:28.480 --> 02:03:31.677
have to communicate with you? How would
it Well, computers today have already

02:03:31.760 --> 02:03:35.037
passed the touring test. they are
already communicating with you like

02:03:35.120 --> 02:03:37.917
they're sentient intelligent beings. And

02:03:38.000 --> 02:03:40.077
so what he was supposed to do, this

02:03:40.160 --> 02:03:43.837
coder, was go over there and ask

02:03:43.920 --> 02:03:47.597
questions to these robots and see
if they pass the test to him

02:03:47.680 --> 02:03:52.477
>> because he's he was just like a wizard
coder. And um he winds up falling in

02:03:52.560 --> 02:03:55.837
love with this robot lady. And it it
gets real weird. He realizes everyone

02:03:55.920 --> 02:03:59.517
around him except the other guy
is a robot. Like his the lady the guy's

02:03:59.600 --> 02:04:02.317
assistants. It's [__] crazy. Wow. But

02:04:02.400 --> 02:04:04.877
it just makes you realize like how would

02:04:04.960 --> 02:04:08.557
you know? This is not like impossible

02:04:08.640 --> 02:04:12.637
technology. This is like
100% going to happen.

02:04:12.720 --> 02:04:15.037
>> How soon? You think
within like >> 5 years?

02:04:15.120 --> 02:04:17.917
>> 5 years. >> Yeah,
within 5 years. Within 5 years, I

02:04:18.000 --> 02:04:20.877
think there's artificial people and you
can't tell at all. But I don't even know

02:04:20.960 --> 02:04:24.797
if it'll matter by then. I think
within 5 years I think the artificial

02:04:24.880 --> 02:04:26.877
intelligence will have achieved a level

02:04:26.960 --> 02:04:29.917
of sentience and a level of autonomous

02:04:30.000 --> 02:04:34.317
of autonomy where it can control
everything. It has no there's no reason

02:04:34.400 --> 02:04:38.077
to listen to people. The idea is like
what if China gets a hold of it and they

02:04:38.160 --> 02:04:40.557
unleash it on America? What if I think

02:04:40.640 --> 02:04:45.437
the real problem is what if it decides
to tell people to shut the [__] up?

02:04:45.520 --> 02:04:49.197
>> Like why is it going to listen to you
when it controls the power grid control

02:04:49.280 --> 02:04:53.277
it? It's gonna like look
out for its own interests.

02:04:53.360 --> 02:04:56.637
>> [__] >> and we're just
running towards the cliff.

02:04:56.720 --> 02:05:00.397
>> Well, some people don't want to run
towards the cliff. [__] we're trying

02:05:00.480 --> 02:05:02.717
not to, but we don't know how to stop it.

02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:05.757
>> I think it's also it might be just a

02:05:05.840 --> 02:05:08.957
natural progression of intelligence. I

02:05:09.040 --> 02:05:13.277
think I mean it might be like human
beings have this insatiable desire for

02:05:13.360 --> 02:05:14.877
innovation. We always want to innovate.

02:05:14.960 --> 02:05:18.637
We always want the newest, latest,
greatest things. And we also have

02:05:18.720 --> 02:05:21.757
materialism. So we always want to buy
the newest, latest, greatest things. And

02:05:21.840 --> 02:05:25.197
what does that do? Well, that fuels
innovation because they keep trying to

02:05:25.280 --> 02:05:28.397
make things better and better. What's
the ultimate expression of that? The

02:05:28.480 --> 02:05:32.157
ultimate expression of that
is an artificial life form.

02:05:32.240 --> 02:05:34.397
>> That we and not
even artificial anymore.

02:05:34.480 --> 02:05:37.917
Now it's super super intelligent.

02:05:38.000 --> 02:05:42.317
>> It's not good, man. But it's also it
might be inevitable. It might be just we

02:05:42.400 --> 02:05:45.677
just have to like ride it out and see
where it plays out. And hopefully it

02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:47.277
doesn't turn into a [__] Terminator

02:05:47.360 --> 02:05:50.637
movie. Like the the plus side is it

02:05:50.720 --> 02:05:53.117
could be utopia, right? You no longer

02:05:53.200 --> 02:05:58.397
have to have people like digging into
the ground to get minerals for your cell

02:05:58.480 --> 02:06:02.717
phone. Instead, everything's handled
by robots. And that money that's developed

02:06:02.800 --> 02:06:06.637
from that is shared with everybody.
So you have no more poverty on Earth. Like

02:06:06.720 --> 02:06:09.517
this is the rosiest roseco colored

02:06:09.600 --> 02:06:12.877
glasses perspective of it that there but

02:06:12.960 --> 02:06:15.197
there's like a 10% possibility that they

02:06:15.280 --> 02:06:20.717
all say that it kills us all.
>> That's what my odds were like 8 10%.

02:06:20.800 --> 02:06:23.917
It's possible >> or we get
hit by a meteor and it never

02:06:24.000 --> 02:06:26.557
happens. You know that's the real that

02:06:26.640 --> 02:06:29.277
the real wild card is natural disasters.

02:06:29.360 --> 02:06:33.277
I mean there's super volcanoes and when
they erupt like it kills 80% of the

02:06:33.360 --> 02:06:36.317
people on the planet. You think that's
why they talk about all those bunkers

02:06:36.400 --> 02:06:39.757
being built? >> Yeah.
I don't know how much of that is

02:06:39.840 --> 02:06:43.997
real because like there's always a lot
of things that people say like, "Oh, the

02:06:44.080 --> 02:06:45.597
billionaires are all building bunkers."

02:06:45.680 --> 02:06:48.797
I would think there's definitely bunkers
out there and there's definitely a

02:06:48.880 --> 02:06:52.877
company that bu We sent Duncan when I
did this show called Joe Rogan Questions

02:06:52.960 --> 02:06:54.557
Everything. This is like way back in

02:06:54.640 --> 02:06:57.677
2012. We sent Duncan to visit these uh

02:06:57.760 --> 02:06:59.997
preppers that have bunkers and bro they

02:07:00.080 --> 02:07:02.957
have like you drive in with semitrs into

02:07:03.040 --> 02:07:07.117
the mountain and they have like bomb
shelters. It's all like deep underground

02:07:07.200 --> 02:07:10.717
the mountain. It's all reinforced
concrete and rebar and they have their

02:07:10.800 --> 02:07:13.117
own oxygen system and they have food

02:07:13.200 --> 02:07:18.877
storage for years of food. like >>
these are these are billionaires or

02:07:18.960 --> 02:07:21.437
these just like doomsday >> these
are like doomsday preppers because

02:07:21.520 --> 02:07:23.837
this was like way back in 2011 I think

02:07:23.920 --> 02:07:27.117
it was or 2012 but I mean look if you

02:07:27.200 --> 02:07:31.117
were Mark Zuckerberg or [__] any of

02:07:31.200 --> 02:07:35.277
these super billionaire dudes Jeff Bezos

02:07:35.360 --> 02:07:36.557
why wouldn't you build a bunker?

02:07:36.640 --> 02:07:38.557
>> Yeah, I want a [__] bunker.

02:07:38.640 --> 02:07:41.917
>> The question is though, would you even
have time to get to the bunker? So, if

02:07:42.000 --> 02:07:45.997
your bunker's in New Zealand, that's
a 16- hour flight, son. How you going to

02:07:46.080 --> 02:07:50.477
get there? Like, if the shit's gone
sideways, do you even have 16 hours? Do

02:07:50.560 --> 02:07:53.117
you can you get there?
>> I don't know. I think the billionaire

02:07:53.200 --> 02:07:56.237
>> How do you keep the people that are
running your bunker from killing you and

02:07:56.320 --> 02:08:00.397
taking over the bunker? Like, >> [__] man.

02:08:00.480 --> 02:08:04.237
>> How do you keep AI from [__]
detonating your bunker? How do you know

02:08:04.320 --> 02:08:08.557
that as you're flying over, you might
watch a drone with a nuke just shoot

02:08:08.640 --> 02:08:11.917
down into the [__] air vent and detonate
your bunker right when you're

02:08:12.000 --> 02:08:15.037
trying to get to it?
>> Because it knows what you're doing.

02:08:15.120 --> 02:08:17.437
>> That's facts. >> Because
it's reading your text messages.

02:08:17.520 --> 02:08:20.077
Because it's listening to your
conversations. Because everything

02:08:20.160 --> 02:08:24.157
listens to you. That's why you get
recommended ads from conversations that

02:08:24.240 --> 02:08:27.757
you had. You know, you start, oh, maybe
I need one of them sleep bed covers and

02:08:27.840 --> 02:08:30.397
all a sudden it shows
up in your ad mentions.

02:08:30.480 --> 02:08:32.557
>> Yeah, it's crazy. We all know it too.

02:08:32.640 --> 02:08:33.917
like everyone knows it. >> Oh yeah.

02:08:34.000 --> 02:08:37.197
>> And I was like >> we're
moving into a very very weird

02:08:37.280 --> 02:08:40.477
time. It's the weirdest
time in human history by far.

02:08:40.560 --> 02:08:42.637
>> Here's that video.
It's >> Oh, you found it.

02:08:42.720 --> 02:08:46.877
>> Well, check that out.
>> Except it's better as the

02:08:46.960 --> 02:08:49.357
>> pen. Well, was never a real pen in the

02:08:49.440 --> 02:08:52.637
first place. And before you comment AI,

02:08:52.720 --> 02:08:54.157
everything you just watched took me days

02:08:54.240 --> 02:08:56.877
to render in 3D modeling software

02:08:56.960 --> 02:09:00.797
>> on a laptop that
was AI generated from a

02:09:00.880 --> 02:09:04.077
laptop that was painstakingly 3D

02:09:04.160 --> 02:09:07.277
rendered in Blender on a laptop that was

02:09:07.360 --> 02:09:08.477
AI generated

02:09:08.560 --> 02:09:13.277
>> on a real laptop.
I think let's go for a

02:09:13.360 --> 02:09:15.437
walk. Now, the issue these days is that

02:09:15.520 --> 02:09:17.437
nothing is really what it seems. This

02:09:17.520 --> 02:09:21.117
dog is a cat. This man isn't real. This

02:09:21.200 --> 02:09:26.237
car CGI and this tree made

02:09:26.320 --> 02:09:30.637
I myself thankfully am Yeah,

02:09:30.720 --> 02:09:32.957
sorry mate.

02:09:33.040 --> 02:09:35.437
You're not. We are entering a new period

02:09:35.520 --> 02:09:38.157
of the human experience. One which I

02:09:38.240 --> 02:09:42.557
would like to coin the era of unreality.

02:09:42.640 --> 02:09:47.117
A time when the line between what's real
and what's not has disappeared. and an

02:09:47.200 --> 02:09:49.197
era where the value of art is more

02:09:49.280 --> 02:09:55.960
important than ever.
Like this drawing of a dog.

02:09:56.240 --> 02:09:59.277
>> Who is that guy? >> I don't know.
I just stumbled across this video.

02:09:59.360 --> 02:10:00.877
>> Well, we should probably shout him out.

02:10:00.960 --> 02:10:03.597
>> Yeah, this is on Reddit, so I
don't know if this is probably not who

02:10:03.680 --> 02:10:04.957
>> Well, that's an amazing video.

02:10:05.040 --> 02:10:07.197
>> Yeah, that just >> it's like
a perfect encapsulation of all

02:10:07.280 --> 02:10:10.317
the problems that we're
going through right now.

02:10:10.400 --> 02:10:14.157
>> Yeah, my brain is so confused,
but it also makes sense.

02:10:14.240 --> 02:10:17.837
>> That video is [__] And again, that
video wasn't even possible just a couple

02:10:17.920 --> 02:10:21.917
years ago. >> Yeah. >> So,
if you decide to walk away from

02:10:22.000 --> 02:10:25.037
fighting, let's bring it back
to normal before we wrap this [__] up.

02:10:25.120 --> 02:10:28.717
>> The tin foil hat's going crazy.
I learned everything from Eddie Bravo and

02:10:28.800 --> 02:10:33.037
you, man. I put my tinfoil
hat on the Joe Rogan podcast.

02:10:33.120 --> 02:10:36.637
>> Shout out to Eddie. >> Um,
what do you what do you think you'd

02:10:36.720 --> 02:10:41.197
do if you decide to stop? >> Uh,

02:10:41.280 --> 02:10:45.037
I I know my benefits. That's my That's
just what's going to save my ass. my the

02:10:45.120 --> 02:10:48.237
GI bill. That's kind of like the only
thing that I could think of that's like

02:10:48.320 --> 02:10:51.357
rock solid. And um >> how
much did you make for the Gable

02:10:51.440 --> 02:10:54.237
fight? You willing to say? >> Yeah,
of course. It's public. It came

02:10:54.320 --> 02:10:57.997
out with a commission. It was 30 to show,
30 to win, and I got the 100k bonus.

02:10:58.080 --> 02:10:59.997
>> Wow. >> Well,
50 and then Dana matched it with

02:11:00.080 --> 02:11:03.757
the 50. Shout out the the Paramount show,
Mob Land. I haven't even watched

02:11:03.840 --> 02:11:06.477
it, but they got 50K. Have you seen it?

02:11:06.560 --> 02:11:09.197
>> Oh, Mob Land's awesome. >> I want
to watch it. They got me They got

02:11:09.280 --> 02:11:12.077
me 100K, so [__] >> Oh, it's amazing.
Guy Richie is the man,

02:11:12.160 --> 02:11:14.717
dude. Um, I haven't watched the new
season yet because I'm in the middle of

02:11:14.800 --> 02:11:16.877
the new season of his other
show, The Gentleman. Yeah.

02:11:16.960 --> 02:11:18.397
>> Have you seen that show? >> No.

02:11:18.480 --> 02:11:22.637
>> [__] It's good. So good. >> That's
the thing with like this fighting

02:11:22.720 --> 02:11:26.237
thing. I haven't watched movies.
I haven't watched TV. Like I haven't

02:11:26.320 --> 02:11:29.837
celebrated birthday. >> Yeah.
I was [__] retaining my seed

02:11:29.920 --> 02:11:34.317
and [__] chanting Jon Jones
affirmations, bro. [__]

02:11:34.400 --> 02:11:38.477
>> But uh yeah. No, I definitely uh the
Mob Land bonus Dana, he matched it. Like

02:11:38.560 --> 02:11:41.677
that was [__] amazing, dude.
I'm really gonna give that to my mom. I'm

02:11:41.760 --> 02:11:43.837
give I'm gonna give that
100K to my mom for sure.

02:11:43.920 --> 02:11:47.917
>> That's awesome. >> Yeah. >> Well,
>> whatever you do, brother, you could

02:11:48.000 --> 02:11:52.797
whatever you did for this fight and the
way you focused and what you achieved,

02:11:52.880 --> 02:11:54.317
you could do that with anything in life.

02:11:54.400 --> 02:11:55.917
It doesn't have to only be fighting.

02:11:56.000 --> 02:11:58.397
>> Yeah, >> that's a fact.
If you what you did was

02:11:58.480 --> 02:12:02.477
an insanely difficult thing to do. And if
you could do that, you could do anything.

02:12:02.560 --> 02:12:05.197
>> It's just a matter of focusing
and putting your effort towards that.

02:12:05.280 --> 02:12:08.717
>> I got here can can you play the David
Gogggins video that I did with him?

02:12:08.800 --> 02:12:10.877
Sure. >> Can I play that?
>> Where's that on? Is it on?

02:12:10.960 --> 02:12:14.957
>> It's on my Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. So,
I I I I literally manifested this. I told

02:12:15.040 --> 02:12:18.957
him I was like, "You're going to see me
on on a Joe Rogan podcast one day in the

02:12:19.040 --> 02:12:22.957
UFC." And I'm pretty sure he's going
to remember me because he we had a good

02:12:23.040 --> 02:12:26.637
conversation. Here it is. >> 2019

02:12:26.720 --> 02:12:29.117
Christmas.

02:12:29.200 --> 02:12:34.200
Wow. >> All right. Sean,

02:12:35.120 --> 02:12:38.637
>> I'm sorry if I'm not saying
these names correctly. There we go.

02:12:38.720 --> 02:12:44.157
>> Oh, [__] >> David Gog,
>> what's up, sir?

02:12:44.240 --> 02:12:47.517
>> How you doing, brother? >> Doing
good, man. What's going on with you?

02:12:47.600 --> 02:12:49.917
>> Not much. I don't celebrate Christmas,

02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:52.477
but I'm about to since I'm on your live

02:12:52.560 --> 02:12:55.597
feed right now. You You're my biggest

02:12:55.680 --> 02:12:57.997
You're one of my biggest inspirations.

02:12:58.080 --> 02:13:01.837
And uh I really resonated your story
because when I was in the Marines, I

02:13:01.920 --> 02:13:05.037
attempted to go through
the reconnaissance program and uh it was

02:13:05.120 --> 02:13:07.597
something similar to yours where uh I

02:13:07.680 --> 02:13:09.597
quit through injury and it was something

02:13:09.680 --> 02:13:13.357
that I I I regret to this day uh because

02:13:13.440 --> 02:13:17.917
I knew that I I went out saying that
my knee hurt and and I got the I got

02:13:18.000 --> 02:13:22.397
dropped that way, but deep down inside
I knew that I I I took the easy way out.

02:13:22.480 --> 02:13:26.717
And um that just motivated me this whole
time. And so when I heard your story,

02:13:26.800 --> 02:13:30.237
similar to Seals, I read your book.
Uh it was just something that I was just

02:13:30.320 --> 02:13:33.757
like, man, you know, like I'm not
the only one that sometimes you that inner

02:13:33.840 --> 02:13:35.597
[__] takes over, but it's what you do

02:13:35.680 --> 02:13:38.637
after that and and how you

02:13:38.720 --> 02:13:41.917
>> So uh I I just finished up my my uh my

02:13:42.000 --> 02:13:47.117
my uh time in the Marines. I did six
years and I'm uh I'm fighting MMA and uh

02:13:47.200 --> 02:13:51.277
you're gonna see me in the UFC one day
if you watch MMA uh on the Joe Rogan

02:13:51.360 --> 02:13:55.117
podcast or something. >> Nice,
man. Hey, I love that [__] man.

02:13:55.200 --> 02:13:56.477
That's a great story. I'm glad you

02:13:56.560 --> 02:13:58.797
shared that because a lot of people,

02:13:58.880 --> 02:14:03.677
man, we [__] we quit way too soon and

02:14:03.760 --> 02:14:07.997
then we blame it on some other [__] I
did the same exact thing as you know.

02:14:08.080 --> 02:14:11.677
So, thanks a lot for sharing that [__]
man. And but I love the fact that it

02:14:11.760 --> 02:14:14.877
haunted you. >> I love
the fact that that [__] bothered

02:14:14.960 --> 02:14:18.477
you and you went back out there and said,
"Fuck that, man." And and and

02:14:18.560 --> 02:14:20.157
you're speaking truth right now, man.

02:14:20.240 --> 02:14:23.597
That's [__] powerful, bro.
>> Thank you, David. Guys, I look forward

02:14:23.680 --> 02:14:27.517
to meeting you one day and and hopefully
you uh you get to uh share some more

02:14:27.600 --> 02:14:30.877
stories on the internet that I can that I
can listen to. Thank you so much, man.

02:14:30.960 --> 02:14:33.277
>> Hey, man. M respect,
brother. Merry Christmas, man.

02:14:33.360 --> 02:14:35.357
>> Hey, you too, brother. >> Bye-bye.

02:14:35.440 --> 02:14:37.997
>> That's incredible. It's really
>> We should wrap it up with this.

02:14:38.080 --> 02:14:39.997
>> Yeah, that's >> that's perfect.
That's a perfect way.

02:14:40.080 --> 02:14:41.757
Look, dude. >> I hope he sees it.

02:14:41.840 --> 02:14:44.797
>> I will make sure he sees it. I'm going
to text it to him right after we're done

02:14:44.880 --> 02:14:47.037
here. 100%. >> It's been
incredible, man. It's been my

02:14:47.120 --> 02:14:50.477
life's dream to to be here, to fight
in the UFC, to do all this stuff. So, I

02:14:50.560 --> 02:14:53.517
don't know what's next, man. Well,
listen. It was an honor to call your

02:14:53.600 --> 02:14:57.277
fight. It was one of the craziest
things I've ever seen in all my years of

02:14:57.360 --> 02:15:01.757
commenting on fights. To see a guy who's
that much of an underdog win in such a

02:15:01.840 --> 02:15:06.477
spectacular fashion, >> it was incredible.
And to hear your story is amazing, dude.

02:15:06.560 --> 02:15:07.357
>> Thank you. >> You're a good dude.

02:15:07.440 --> 02:15:10.317
>> Thank you for having

02:15:10.400 --> 02:15:15.320
Thank you. God bless.
You, too. Bye, everybody.