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>> The Joe Rogan Experience.

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>> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN
PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day.

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>> What's going on, man?
>> This is Joe Rogan.

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>> How you feeling? >> I feel incredible,
man. I feel >> You must be

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>> It's been one hell of a week.
It's been crazy.

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>> It has to be the craziest week of your
life, right? or up to it by I mean this

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is this is pretty pretty up there.
It's been some crazy weeks.

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>> So talk me through this. When did you
get the uh the offer for the fight? How

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long out? >> So they
had mentioned possibly me

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fighting him on the White House.
They asked me

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>> that was the the the ali reached out
to me. He's like, "Hey, like they they're

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talking about possibly getting you
on the White House. They know you're a

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Marine and whatnot. Uh they want Gable
Stevenson." And I was like, "Fucking I

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don't care. I've been watching Gable
since he he was coming up on the

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regional scene since you were talking
about him and I everyone was all hyped

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about him and so I kind of already
knew we were going to cross paths but it

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wasn't until um I was requesting to get
on the LA card. I heard they were coming

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to LA and I kept saying hey I want LA
I want LA and I just like all right you

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got LA you're fighting Gable.
>> So there was a conversation about the

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White House card. So this is June.

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That's when it first came up. And so how
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>> Uh well I just never heard back.
They talked about it. They were like would

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you take it? And I was like, "Sure."
And I think I think maybe they were trying

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to get Jones on there too, possibly.
I think that might have been what it was

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that >> I think Dana was hesitant.

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>> Yeah. >> To get John on there.

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>> Yeah. And and so I think it was like
a oh, if I'm not going and maybe Gabe was

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I don't know what it was, but they just
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approached like, "Hey, would you be open
to fighting him on the White House?" And

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I was like, "Of course, fuck."

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>> And so how long out did they tell you
about the LA card? uh about six weeks,

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but I had already been in camp because
I was supposed to fight Taiu Ivasa and I

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had to pull out because my nose got
broken in that camp. So, I was basically

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in in the camp for the tie fight and then
I went straight into that into the

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the next camp as soon as I got cleared
to start sparring and and stuff. But I

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was still training the whole time.
I was running. I was I went full [__] I I

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retained my seed.
I was [__] >> Did you really?

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>> Yeah, bro. I went full eight weeks.
No no no no no jerk out, no sex, no

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nothing. I went full like marine mode.

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That's why you guys saw that that mat on
the ground the in the studio was because

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I was like was like really [__] going
to I got I end up getting air mattress

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after I texted Strickland
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>> you were sleeping on a mat.
Yeah. Tell people about that.

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>> Well, basically because I I I have
um obviously my all my finances are out

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there already. I could I didn't have
anything in my name. So I've been I've

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been bouncing around from Fighter Houses.
There's Fighter House LV they

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started out and um there's like 40 bucks
a room you get. And I was also staying

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in the casinos [__] gambling, doing
a bunch of dumb [__] And um stayed in my

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car a few times, bouncing back forth

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with my mom. It was just a a little bit
of a chaotic situation. And uh I got the

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spot. I I got a front from my management.
They they gave me four grand

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cuz I I was basically was in California

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and I stayed out there with my mom and I
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and I was like, "Hey, I need funds.
Can you guys give me?" And uh they fronted

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me four grand on my purse and they said,
"Hey, um get get whatever you want." I

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mean, they weren't very involved like
if I'm being honest. I kind of had to

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figure it out on my own. Like and um
yeah, I had a friend. He got me a sub

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lease, got me a spot, and I just [__]
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>> I know, man. That feels like [__]
movie. Like some I'm saying it and I

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don't even know like I'm like, "Bro,
like people aren't going to believe this

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[__] Like I got to [__] show the receipts,
you know? Like I'm going to

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show you some [__] some shit."
I mean, I've never experienced something

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like that, but it has to be like right
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did what you did. >> Yeah.
Yeah. Cuz I I I I like believed I

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was going to win. Like I was telling
myself, but it was I believed it was

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going to be a war. I believed it was
going to be my whole game plan was like

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he he sure he might get the takedown.

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You're going to stay in his [__] face.
I was I was screaming the [__]

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affirm the Jon Jones speech when he's
like [__] when he told DC and he was

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all like there's nothing you could do
to stop me from coming after you round

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after round with the most malicious
techniques I know you will lose this

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fight Gable Stevenson you will lose
this fight and I will and I was just like

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just just telling myself that I
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know because all my previous fights
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victories first round knockouts and it
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just touch guys and they're going to fall
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I had that that loss with Taffa and I
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He wouldn't fall. And then um I kind
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I kind of started like questioning like,
"Hey, like [__] can I do this?" And

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so like when I just hit him with
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I started cussing. I jumped on.
I was [__] bro. I was like, "What the [__]

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is going on, man?"

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>> You were uh he was a minus 2400

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favorite. >> Yeah. The disrespect.

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>> Was it 2400 or? >> Yeah, it was.

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>> That's what it was. Okay. I just want
to be really clear about that. That's a

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crazy number as >> for heavyweight.
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might be the biggest at least bookmaker
odds. It might be the biggest upset in

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the history of the sport.
>> That's what they're saying.

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>> Yeah. I mean, even with Holly Holm
and Ronda Rousey, it was just like

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>> Holly Holm was dangerous. She was a
multiple time world kickboxing champion,

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multiple time world boxing champion. You

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know, she was a legitimate striker.

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that, you know, I could see Holly being,
you know, a 10 to one dog or something

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like that, but this was Yeah. >> And I
think the fact I was coming off of

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two losses like >> uh like,
bro, I lost my discipline a

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lot, you know, coming up
grinding for this and uh

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>> here it is. Let's watch it again.

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>> Yeah. >> So, you just know it's real.

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>> BOOM. >> IT'S OVER.

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>> OH MY GOODNESS. >> OH MY GOD. ONE LEFT.

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>> That's me. >> Oh my god.
>> Oh my goodness.

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>> Unbelievable.
Look at that game. Good night kick.

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>> One more time. >> Boom.
Oh, the way the head snaps back

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too. >> Oh,

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>> what did it feel like when you're
standing there holding your arms up?

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Were you like in space?
Were you in another galaxy?

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>> Everything just felt like so euphor
like even like I haven't seen the clips. I

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remember I I shook Joan's hand and his
hand before they left, but like everyone

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was saying like, "Are you sure you did
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like before they walked out and and
everyone started booing like I shook

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their hand. Uh I shook his like that
was it. I didn't say nothing. And um but

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like bro everything just feels like I
haven't even gotten a chance to digest

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it. Like I've been just going this whole
week like doing interviews after

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interviews and Zoom and it's like I'm
so exhaust like I just want to go to a

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mountain or to the desert and [__]
take some mushrooms with my dog and just

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[__] like process what the [__] is

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going on, man. That probably might be
a good idea too so you can stay on the

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course, you know, because one of the
problems with like a big event or a big

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moment is you can be defined by that big

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event and big moment and that big moment

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can be like a centerpiece in your life

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instead of the path, right? So the path

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you're on is getting better as an MMA

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fighter, achieving like world class
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That's the path. >> Is it though, Joe?

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>> Yeah, why not? >> Is it?
Well, that's why I want to ask

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you because like I I mean,
bro, if you can do that,

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>> everyone's making it seem like
this is just a [__] lucky punch, one shot.

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And like my So, this is my thing is I've

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always take been taking my journey fight
like I like I got out the Marine Corps

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and I was like, hey, like I want to be
a UFC fighter and like it wasn't like, oh,

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I want to be a champion, you know? It
was just like I just wanted to be in the

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organization and wear the uniform
and just be able be able to [__] say I

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did that. And the fact that I just lost
like those two times like [__] like they

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gave me the uniform but it didn't feel
like it. And so now like to do this the

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people are saying possibly the biggest
upset in history [__] in my home like

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[__] against all odds. I'm like bro

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like it like can I beat that? Like do I

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you leave the table when you're up?

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That's what they say,
you know? Like [__] like

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>> are you thinking about doing that?
Are you thinking about leaving the table?

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I'm I'm I'm told I'm not going I told

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Micah the psych at the the PI. I told
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Gokore. I told all these guys. I was like,
"Hey, bro. If I win this fight,

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the like the way I'm visualizing, I like
I might be good with that because this

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is [__] like that was it, you know?"

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And I don't I don't know.
Like >> just cuz it was such a big moment.

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>> Just the No,
it's the fact of what I had

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to go through cuz like, brother, I've

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had zero sponsors. I got zero promo. I

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got zero like any kind of like support
throughout this whole thing. Like even

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like with the coaching, you know,
like my corner like I was scrambling to

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figure that out, you know, and it
was just like I had to beg for so much

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[__] help throughout this process.
It just made me [__] like it was just

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put a little sour taste in my bro like
[__] like for what? Like and then on

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top of that I got [__] CT scan.

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They're saying I got some [__] brain
matter and [__] I'm [__] stitched up

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from head to toe. I got [__] all types
of injuries. Like and I'm like bro

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what am I doing it for?
just [__] for more money

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>> for for for a belt like what what am
I doing for that's why I I'm trying to

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figure out the answers myself.

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>> That's interesting. Well, if that's the
case, then definitely go take mushrooms

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with your dog. >> That's why I'm like
maybe you can help me advise me here.

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>> The decision is always going to be
entirely yours because it's dependent

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entirely upon who you are, where you are,
and I don't know that. I don't know

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where you're at in your life. I don't
know where you're at with your mind. I

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don't know. There's nothing wrong with you
walking away right now if you choose

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to do that. Um, so you have to think
about it. And I think a moment like

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that, like I said, was so big, you have
to let it settle before you decide what

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you're going to do. There's a lot
of people um there there's there's a bunch

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of different ways to approach fighting.

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And I think one of the one of the worst

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ways is to chase glory, you know,

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because glory does come to the greats.

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in and in in that glory, you know,
the glory that Justin Gatechi got when he

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beat Ilia Tapora at the White House.

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>> No one's ever going to experience that.

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The one of the greatest moments
in the history of combat sports, right?

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>> That was my logic, too, cuz like when
I saw that the Gachi upset, I was like,

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bro, like what more do you have to prove?
Like he just shocked the [__]

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world. >> Yeah, he could
he could certainly walk

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especially Gachi. He's had this insane
career in incredible career. He could

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definitely walk away now and be one of

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the all-time greats. But Connor for

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instance, like Connor's last fight, like

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it seemed like Connor was doing it
to show that he could still do it. Seemed

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and I don't know, you know,
I didn't talk to him. I haven't had a

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conversation with him as a person,

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>> but it seemed like he wanted to be on

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top again. He wanted to show that he
could go out there and still beat a

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world-class fighter like M Max Holloway

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and just show that he could do it. And

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you got to wonder, is that the best

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motivation for a guy that's worth half
a billion dollars and is [__] living in

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the lap of luxury? And >> no,
he's just chasing the high. He's

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chasing. He's like, he's like was like, I
just want to go out on top, going on top.

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>> He's chasing the high >> versus
is he chasing the dream? So like

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when he knocked out Jose Aldo, he was
chasing the dream. He was a juggernaut.

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He was storming through the division.
He was knocking everybody out. He looked

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like this guy that had this phenomenal

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talent and this special charisma and he

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looked like a guy who is chasing this

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this thing, this dream, this dream
of becoming a world champion. So then you

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achieve it and then I think the big
derailment was the Floyd Mayweather

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fight, right? He leaves MMA,
trains boxing for a while, has a great

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performance against Floyd Mayweather,
one of the greatest boxers of all time,

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does 10 rounds with him,
which is [__] insane.

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>> Did you see my video
with him before the fight?

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>> No. Oh, I went viral
with with with with

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Floyd. Yeah. I ran into him at Lifetime
and I was like really cuz cuz I started

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promoting myself. So like that was the
issue. Like I kept seeing these collabs

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and these promos with with Gable and I
was like, "Bro, what the [__] man?"

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Like why is no one pushing me? So I
started like just going outside the PI

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and I was like I did my own promo
and then like just the odds like the next

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day I ran into Floyd at the [__]
at the Lifetime and I was like, "Hey man,

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let me get a quick video [__] uh
to promote my fight and whatnot." So uh

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it's just ironic you say Floyd.

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>> That's funny.
That's funny. Well, that's

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just to be expected. You got to realize
Gable is first of all Olympic gold

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medalist, one of the greatest
heavyweight wrestlers in the United

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States has ever produced, >> right?
And then he goes on to be

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undefeated in MMA, wins that fight in
dirty boxing. He's an athletic freak and

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he's being chain trained by Jon Jones.

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>> But who did he beat on the regional
scene? That's what didn't impress me. He

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he got wheel kicked in Mexico. The guy
was like 1 and0 that he was being like

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cuz I was 4 and0 on the regional
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>> You're 100% correct in that regard.
But he couldn't get any fights. Nobody any

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good wanted to fight him because he's
Gable. Because he's this insane freak

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wrestler and they want to win and they
want to make their way through, you

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know, whatever regional circuit it is,
get a really good record and get some

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experience before they get into the UFC.

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They don't want to get flatlined. They
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Yeah. They want, you know, they want
and a good manager treats their fighters

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that way. A good manager says, "Listen,
you're not ready for that yet. We're

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going to get you this guy. Don't get
beat by him yet. you you can eventually

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beat him, but we have to develop
these skills. We have to develop these

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techniques. We have to get you some
seasoning. You have to get some hard

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fights against some really tough guys
so you know what the the [__] basement

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feels like. You got to know what it's
like to be in the dungeon. You know,

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>> he wasn't in the dungeon.
>> Wasn't in the dungeon.

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>> They were [__] coddling him and
pampering him. Well, I I think also when

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you're that good of an athlete
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wrestling, which is, you know,
this celebrated incredible sport, and then

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you enter into MMA with all that hype
and fanfare, you start to believe that

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you are special and you're invincible
and and you're not a regular human being

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with with very good skills. Cuz that's
what he is, a regular human being with

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very good skills. >> And you
showed it. You showed it with a

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[__] perfect left hook when you

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stepped outside and then it was

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everything in that left hook.
It was pretty. It was technical. It was

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perfect. And he was reaching
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>> and that Well,
that was the other thing.

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He he was closing his eyes. And that
was I saw on the replay. And that comes

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because he isn't smart enough.

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>> He he hasn't had that experience
of [__] being in the fire over and over

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again. >> He's only been
striking for like a year

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and a half. That's That's why that's why
when they asked me, they tried to make

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it seem like I was talking [__] They're
like, "Are you impressed by Gay?" I was

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like, "No, I'm not impressed." Like,
"What what are you not impressed about?"

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I'm like, "What the [__] What? He's an
Olympic gold medalist, but what? This is

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fighting and we're going to fight."

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>> Yeah. >> Well,
his first fight, he got tagged a

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bunch, the first fight in the UFC, and
that guy fought well. He he hit him with

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some good shots. That guy was there to

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win. He just he just, you know, was

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overwhelmed. Gable got him. But that

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[__] left hook changed the landscape
of the universe, dude. That left hook

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changed changed your life.
Changed the world.

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>> Yeah. There was so
many people that even

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before the fight, they're like, if you
beat Gable, I'm going to name my kid

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after you. Like, I'm putting my mortgage
down. Like, bro, like like I was like, I

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don't know if these comments are real,
but like there was so many people

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messaging me and commenting like
and even like with the press conference,

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like they were telling me like like
please bring up please bring up his

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past. Please bring up his past, you know?
And I was all like, "Shit, but

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[__] I fought for my freedom of speech,
man. I don't give a [__] I'll say what

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I what I want, you know?" And >> yeah,
it's a lot. Like the whole the

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whole buildup to a fight is so much.

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There's so much talking. There's so
many people talking at you and there's so

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many narratives. There's so many pe
like you could get your brain really [__]

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scrambled during those things, including
him like believing the hype or anybody

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believing the hype. >> And what
was crazy was we weren't even

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supposed to be on the press conference
or even on the main card until Ortega

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fell out. And that was like that felt
like divine intervention, bro. Cuz I was

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just like, >> oh like like
I thought I was I was going

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to get the press conference and when
I got to fight week it was like there

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there was I wasn't on there and then
that next day they were like oh no

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you're you're you're main card
you're going you're going to the press

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conference. So maybe that I wouldn't
have gotten in his head if I didn't get

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in the press conference, you know,
because that was that was strategic.

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Like I I was saying in interviews before
like that's psychological warfare. Oh,

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it's fair love and war. And it's like if
if you don't know how to handle that, I

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mean I like like I said, I just brought
brought things to light. Like yeah,

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>> that was all I did. And um if you if
you can let that get under your skin, like

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>> who knows if it let it get under his
skin. I mean, even if there was nothing

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going on, you might have still hit
him with that exact same punch. I think

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there's a there's a gap in experience
and there's a gap in striking ability. I

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mean, he obviously is an incredible
athlete and he's very good at being the

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hammer. You know, he can unload
combinations on guys. We've seen it, you

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know, we saw it in Dirty Boxing, but

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striking, you know, as well as anybody.

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It is a [__] complicated thing that takes
a long time to figure out. There's

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a lot of elements to it. There's a lot
of knowledge, foot placement, where to

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be, where not to be, what to do,
what not to do. You get caught doing

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something. You need a really good coach
to explain to you how you got caught and

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never get caught like that again because
you need to do this or you need to do

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that. Make sure your foot is outside
of the line. Make sure your head's off the

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center line. There's a bunch
of different [__] that takes [__]

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forever for your brain to absorb and

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then absorb to the point where you can
it just memory muscle memory inside of

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chaos and combat. >> I I truly
felt in flow state when I have

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like I I was not thinking like I didn't
go out like oh I'm going to throw the

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two or the the whole game plan was like
don't overrespect the wrestling and put

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hands on this [__] Like that was
that was that was the game plan.

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Like like obviously like I knew like he
might get the takedown but like I said I

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was just telling myself you're going
to get up. You're going to get up. You're

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going to [__] stay in his
face over and over again.

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>> I think a big flaw that he did in both
the first fight and the fight with you

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is I don't even think he
was thinking about taking you down.

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>> Yeah, >> which is really crazy.

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>> He's going to be shooting
his next fight. That's for sure.

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>> Yeah. Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah, I

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would imagine. I would imagine I
would imagine that would be a good

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idea. I mean, it's when it's your number
one skill set. It's crazy. It's like

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Wonderboy deciding not to kick.
Like what? But it's also cuz like he was

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getting praised like he like he he
was constantly being told like he's the

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greatest thing. He's knocking these guys
out. Even Dana like in after the press

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conference and in his first fight,
he was just like praising him like oh like

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he's he's striking with guys, knocking
guys out when he could be using his

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wrestling and like I think it just like
got to him. And when I when I knew I had

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him was when I saw he booked that RAF
fight during during the fight camp. He

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went and did an RAF fight like a few
weeks uh RAF wrestling match be a few

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weeks before our fight.
I was like, "This [__] is not taking me

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seriously. This [__] going to book
[__] rather." And I'm over there

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getting my ass beat [__] every day

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[__] with Sergey Spivok. Uh uh Bloy

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was was working with me. [__] Wan
Coutaba like and uh and and I had to

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wear my my head gear cuz my nose
was broken. That that and that thing was

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like suffocating me and these guys were
just putting me in the worst positions

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over and over again. Starting from
[__] bottom, [__] pick me up. Matt

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Return, slam me back down,
>> brother. That's what it felt.

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I love Rocky, man. And like
>> you're a Rocky story, man.

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>> You are a real life
Rocky story. 100%, man.

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>> It feels It feels real.
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details. That but even Rocky didn't
end that way. Like step in, boom, 12

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seconds. >> Crazy, man. Crazy.

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>> Really felt like it was it was just
karma and divine intervention cuz the

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way he was disrespecting me too, man. He

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call me a coward, saying like he's the

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reason that I'm there and [__] he uh
my hotel room is paid because of Gable

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Steven. What's up with him talking
in third person? I know maybe he was your

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boy and he was he was I saw him on here
before, but this dude's talking about in

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third person all the time. Like,
what the [__] is up with that? The third

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person stuff is very weird. You know who
used to do that, who I love, who used to

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do that all the time, is Roy Jones.

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>> Yeah, >> Roy Jones Jr. is going
to do what Roy Jones Jr. wants to do.

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>> Is he here right now? Is Roy in the
room with us? That's a strange thing that

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people do, that third person thing. It
is odd. It's It's like an elitist thing,

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you know? >> Yeah.
like he's he like I said he just

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think he's all that. So I'm just I'm
glad I could bring him back down to

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reality because like >> it's
probably good for him too if he

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decides to actually continue and pursue
his career and become a world champion.

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That might be a blessing in disguise
because it was a fight that allowed him

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to recognize that the skills that he has

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in wrestling other people have similar

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skills in striking and similar skills
in all the other aspects of MMA. And then

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you know you there's no shortcuts.
Just because you're a really good wrestler

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doesn't mean you're an elite kickboxer.

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You know, it just doesn't it doesn't
translate. You have to learn those

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things. Yes, sir. >> And you know,

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>> you a guy becomes amazing because
of his accomplishments, but before those

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accomplishments, you're
not necessarily amazing at

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>> and his accomplishments were all in a
completely different discipline. I mean,

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it translates. It's one of the most
important disciplines, probably the most

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important discipline for MMA if you use
it right. If you use it, it's probably

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like the ability to take a guy down and
control a guy, it stifles all striking,

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right? If a guy, if he just decided to
avoid you standing up and then shoot and

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he got you down, we're talking about
a whole different fight, right? 100%.

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>> Yeah, but when you get it in your head,
>> ain't no rematch, though, buddy.

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Everyone's like, "What's next? When's the
re [__] you?" You going to sleep with that

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[__] Motherfucker's not getting
his dick up for [__] weeks, man. I

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took his soul. You heard the whole David
Gogggins when he said that [__] He's

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like, "Yeah, you're not going to [__]
live with that for a little bit, bro."

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>> Well, psychologically, it's why would
you why would you schedule a rematch

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quickly, if at all? Like, there's no

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reason. First of all, on paper,
it's 12 seconds. It's not It's not like a

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controversial decision, right?

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Controversial decisions war in a rematch.
You know, really good war goes

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to the judges, could have gone
either way. That makes sense.

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>> 12 second knockouts
don't get rematches.

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That doesn't make any sense. That makes
zero sense. Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

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He's going to have to figure out why
he's deciding to strike and then really

413
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,717
tighten up his striking. He's going
to have to watch that film footage and see

414
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,277
what he did wrong. >> You know,
there's a bunch of different

415
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:07,277
striking analysts have broken down
the video and you know, you could see you

416
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:12,237
did everything right and he didn't. Real
simple, you know, and he's a human and

417
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,677
you're a big [__] and you got
a big [__] with a big left hook

418
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,917
and you land that on virtually any human
being alive. You catch them on the chin

419
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,597
like that where their head
snaps back like that.

420
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,397
>> It's like 10 pounds of pressure. That's
all you need to tip the chin, right?

421
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,197
>> Was a lot more than 10.

422
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,677
>> I mean, he snapped his head back.

423
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,237
>> But, you know, listen, guys have come
back from knockouts like that and become

424
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,917
all-time greats. Look at Michael Bisping.
Michael Bisping gets flatlined

425
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,037
by Henderson and then goes on to become
an all-time great and wins the

426
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:46,557
middleweight title, knocks out Luke
Rockwell, defended it against Henderson.

427
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,757
And I said it in my postfight interview
like I I I kept it classy. I was like,

428
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,797
"Hey, look, like this is going to make
him better." Like there's a but like

429
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,437
right now I'm on my victory lap and like
I'm going to talk some [__] cuz the

430
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,357
[__] disrespected the [__] his whole
team disrespect like Jones driving

431
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,717
around with him in the Mercedes like
tonight we collect a head, you know?

432
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,637
Like bro what? Like come on Jones
like you of all people know not to

433
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,717
underestimate someone. Like come on man.

434
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,437
Like >> well John's a different guy.
He's a different

435
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,397
>> but they made him they made him
think that he was next Jon Jones.

436
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,997
>> I know. And Jon Jones is a different
[__] I've studied Jon Jones my whole

437
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,917
[__] life, man. Like like you saw
the picture with me and him like that we

438
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,957
took and I was like this is going to be
I was like this is going to be my exam,

439
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,677
you know. >> And um I can
even show you the DMs that

440
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,397
I've sent I'm like [__] I told him
like this was going to happen you know

441
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,677
for him to be there [__] front row >>
and then that viral reaction of oh my

442
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,317
goodness. >> It's crazy.
I mean that's unreal.

443
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,877
>> Yeah. You can't pretend that you're the

444
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,877
guy that you're hanging out with. That's

445
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,917
that's a bad thing. Yeah, John is a very
unique athlete, though. I mean, he's

446
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,077
he's a one of one. >> He's the goat.

447
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,197
>> I mean, what he did to serial gone,
I just watched that fight again. It's

448
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,797
[__] insane. Serial never touched him.
He got a hold of Cirill, dragged

449
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,997
him to the ground, strangled him, tap tap.
That's it. That's a wrap. Walked

450
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,677
away, didn't get scratched. >> Yeah.

451
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,317
>> And then now you have serial guns,
the heavyweight champion of the world. And

452
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,997
you see what he did to Pereira. You see
what he did at least in the first round

453
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,557
before the eye pokes to Aspenol. It's
like Sir Gan's a special athlete and Jon

454
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,037
made him look unspecial. >> Yeah.

455
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:19,357
>> But Gable's not that. He's not the same
guy. He's not that guy. You know, takes

456
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,517
a long [__] time to be Jon Jones.

457
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:26,237
Also, when Jon Jones became Jon Jones,
he became Jon Jones slowly. I mean, it

458
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,797
was quick in terms of like he was the
quickest ever to become Yeah. I think 22

459
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,997
became the youngest ever UFC champion, but

460
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,037
>> but there's a long process in getting

461
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,117
there. like he didn't have that. He

462
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,637
fought Gus Mauv, he fought um he he

463
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,437
fought Guskov, he fought um Stefan

464
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,517
Bonner, he fought a bunch of guys and

465
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,637
started looking like like this guy must

466
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,557
might be something very unique. Yeah.

467
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,197
>> And then he beats Shogun and wins the

468
00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:00,557
title and then just goes on this
just [__] epic legendary tear.

469
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,197
>> And just the people he beat like
>> Yeah, he beat everybody. He beat

470
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,197
everybody and he beat everybody when he
wasn't training. I I have a a photo of

471
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,157
like that from that expo with he signed
with it's like Machito unconscious and

472
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,917
he's like like [__] I've had
that in my room [__] forever.

473
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,597
>> That was one of the coldest victories
in the history of the sport. He chokes

474
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,677
Macha unconscious and then drops him.

475
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,917
>> Yeah. >> Just standing up. Choked him
unconscious. Dropped him and just walked

476
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,117
away. >> It's [__] cold.
>> Just falls down in a heap.

477
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,357
>> Cold, man. >> Cold.
But you know that's the problem.

478
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,917
you know, you're hanging out with a guy
who's the goat and you start thinking

479
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,157
you're the next guy. Like, >> you
might be, you could be if you do the

480
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,717
right things, but if you believe it
before it happens, like, you have to be

481
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,117
cautious, but also confident. Like,

482
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,917
there's this dance of the mind. There's
so much going on to be an elite fighter.

483
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,557
You, you know, you have to be aware that
you could look at Camaro Usman beating

484
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,717
Leon Edwards for four rounds. All of a

485
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,757
sudden, one head kick, boom, lost
the title. Never the same guy again. Yeah,

486
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,717
>> cuz you're human. >> Yeah,
>> you're [__] human being. Like, as

487
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,437
tough as Camaro is,
he's a [__] human being.

488
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,357
>> And it's just this wild dance
of possibilities. But it's also one of the

489
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,997
reasons why people love the sport so much.
Like what you did elevated the

490
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,957
whole sport. It really did because when
you can see a guy who's a giant favorite

491
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,557
and everybody's thinking he is the and I
thought like this guy has a potential to

492
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,757
be an all-time great like he's
an Olympic gold medalist. We've seen that

493
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,837
before. You get a guy who's an elite
wrestler like Daniel Cormier. There's a

494
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,677
lot of examples of guys who elite
wrestlers who become alltime great.

495
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,717
Randy Couture, >> you changed everything.
Changed everything. One Punch went boom.

496
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,477
>> Crazy. >> Yeah. >> Crazy.
One P. One Punch could really

497
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,197
change your life. And they say, "No, I'm

498
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,917
>> I I feel amazing. I feel incredible.

499
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,277
Like just the fact I'm here." Like
this is another thing I haven't like I

500
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:59,357
learned more from your podcast than I
have the entire public education system.

501
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,837
Like, brother, I would sit on post cuz
I was an embassy security guard and we

502
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,357
would be on duty and I would just have
your podcast playing in the background

503
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,597
and I would listen to all your guests.

504
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,637
Like I started learning about
the subconscious mind like through like

505
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,597
Billy Carson and like another guy 19

506
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,557
keys uh Joe Despensza some of these and

507
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,117
like like all of that like it it really
has helped mold me into who I am just

508
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,317
like from the types like you had I don't
I don't know all the names but you had

509
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,677
the guests on sleep hubman like bro like

510
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,637
it's just so so many variables like that

511
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,797
you've brought that like you you are
truly like educating so many people like

512
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,997
with what you've done man it's [__]
well I'm Happy you enjoyed it. I'm happy

513
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,517
it helped you and I'm
happy I get to do it.

514
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,797
>> The fight companions I was s I would
sit on post and [__] went watch Fight

515
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,957
Companions and you [__] Eddie Bravo
and [__] >> It's cool, man. It's [__] It's

516
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,637
awesome. >> It's cool that you're here
right now and in celebration, you know?

517
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,197
>> Yeah. >> Kind of wild.
>> Yeah, really wild.

518
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,357
>> So, like we were saying before, like
these big moments, they're so big they

519
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,717
can kind of overwhelm you. I think
you're very wise and that you want to

520
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,797
like let the dust settle
before you do anything.

521
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,437
>> Yes. >> But just let
yourself come back to normal.

522
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,757
>> Yeah. Well, you you are on a [__]
psychedelic roller coaster ride.

523
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,477
>> And I can't even chill. Like everyone's
like [__] They're already texting me

524
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,837
like, "Oh, you went Hollywood on us."

525
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:21,117
Like, bro, what the [__] bro? It's been
like 5 days, dog. He's like, "Oh, like

526
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,997
you switched up, man." >> Well,
people want you to switch up.

527
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,557
That's a narrative that you're going
to have to deal with that people want. Oh,

528
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,357
you [__] changed. People Some people
do not want you to succeed. That is a

529
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,917
fact because when you succeed,
especially succeed in a spectacular way,

530
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,277
>> they compare themselves to you and
they fall short and they don't like it.

531
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,717
People do not like when people hyper
succeed. That is going to be a problem.

532
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,757
People want you to fall.
>> It's going to be a problem. It's a

533
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,317
problem with every champion, every every

534
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,197
celebrity, every superstar in music and

535
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,917
comedy and movies and acting and they
want you to fall because there's a

536
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,837
certain type of psychology that there's
a certain psychological mindset that

537
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:03,437
some people have where they look
at people who are doing better than them

538
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,357
and they compare themselves and they
want that person to fail. And so they'll

539
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,797
pretend you're something you're not.

540
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,877
They'll create narratives that aren't
real. They you win Hollywood, bro. You

541
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,877
[__] sold out. you [__] sold out and >>
and you're going to have to deal with

542
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,237
that, too. But that's just [__]
There's a world filled with [__] and

543
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,557
some [__] they have loud voices.

544
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,317
>> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. It's okay.

545
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,357
>> Yeah. So, that's what I'm navigating
right now is just like trying to [__]

546
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,917
like like a part of me is like trying to
get back to everyone, but the other part

547
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,957
of me is like, "Bro, like, can you just
understand?" Like even like I go from

548
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,917
like doing all the interviews. I had
like interviews all day and then I would

549
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,797
go home and like my family wants to talk
to me about what's going on and like

550
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,997
[__] I'm like, "Bro, like I just want
to go walk my dog, man." [__] like

551
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,437
and then I'm like walk I did the Bisbing
interview and I was like walking my dog.

552
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,877
He's like can like can you make sure you
have good connection? I'm like bro like

553
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,597
I'm walking my dog man. Y'all want
the interview or not, bro? [__] you. [__]

554
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,517
>> It's more important to walk your dog
because I'm I'm going to shout out my

555
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,437
dog Apollo. He's a German Shepherd, man.

556
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,037
Because like this dude I got I got him
when I got up boot camp. I'm sorry, out

557
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,317
of the Marines. And he was he's been
with me for like the past he's seven

558
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,037
now. He's about to be eight. And like
this dude like bro like broke like so

559
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,877
many meals with him. Like I moved out
to Vegas two years ago by myself. There he

560
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,517
is. Yeah. That's my [__] boy, man.

561
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,637
And uh and like this dude has seen it

562
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,357
all, man. Like I like that like I had my

563
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,077
[__] knee surgeries. Uh and I had
to drive myself to PT [__] two days

564
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,917
posttop. Like nobody nobody wanted
to [__] take me to the PI and [__] bro.

565
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,517
And I was like trying to walk my dog and
[__] and like all that [__] that that's

566
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,477
why I was telling you earlier, man.
And I'm just like, bro, like it's such a

567
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,237
like I don't want to say a fake game,
but it's just like they only love you

568
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,077
when you're hot. Like when [__] Ki
got knocked out by Holloway, he wasn't

569
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,357
[__] hot. But then [__] he goes
and wins this, he's hot. Then [__]

570
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,597
Max Holloway gets knocked by Ily [__] hot.
Now Strickland Chamaya [__]

571
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,397
Pereira. It's like that's the game.
It's the hurt business, you know? And then

572
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,917
when when they're done with you,
you [__] I'm like, bro, [__]

573
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,797
>> I just upset the world. [__]

574
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,197
changed the the the dynamic like you said.
united the MMA community and I was

575
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,277
like, "Bro, [__] what more do I
[__] want?" I did it at home. [__]

576
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,637
walked out to Nipy Hustle, man. That
was my dream, brother. Like, [__] that

577
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,717
was like >> everything.
Hustle and motivate by Nipy Hustle.

578
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,437
>> Nice. >> Yeah.
>> Nice. >> That was one.

579
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,717
>> Wow. Wow, man. >> But then
the other people are like, "No,

580
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,157
no, he's a [__] He's [__] He's
a lucky punch and he wants to fuck."

581
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,517
>> There's no such thing as a lucky punch.

582
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,117
Anybody says that's a [__] or they
don't know any better or they think

583
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,757
there's a thing you think you could say
to diminish someone's accomplishment.

584
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,997
That's all it is. There's no lucky punch.

585
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,077
>> You're fighting a world class athlete.

586
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,677
You stepped in. You threw a left hook.

587
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,437
It was perfect. That's not lucky. That's
exactly what you wanted to do and you

588
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,117
did it. If you had your eyes closed
and you're falling backwards and you went

589
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,397
like that, >> caught him
on the chin. Okay, maybe

590
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,037
that's a lucky punch.
But you still threw a punch.

591
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,877
>> You know, that's a much more fortunate
punch. I would say there's nothing lucky

592
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,637
about the punch you threw. >> Yeah.

593
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,877
>> Nothing lucky. You wanted to hit them
on the chin. You hit them on the chin.

594
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,197
>> Thank you for clarifying.
>> [__] those people.

595
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,037
>> But that's this this thing about people
only love you when you're hot. That's

596
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,877
always going to be the case. That's
just how it is in the world. There's no

597
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,797
there's no way around that, man. That's
just people are always judging people on

598
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,837
status. They're always judging people
on their their their place in the

599
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,237
hierarchy. We're chimpanzees, you know?

600
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,437
We're like complicated chimps. And that's
how we look at it. Who's the big

601
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,037
chimp? Who's top chimp? Oh, you're
not top chimp anymore. You [__] up. You

602
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,597
[__] loser. [__] you. And you know,
you go on like someone's Instagram like

603
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,997
after they had a loss, man.
>> I've seen guys go on, you know, get

604
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,877
knocked out or get beat and then you go on
their Instagram and the horrific comments

605
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,757
>> from these people that have
never done jack [__] in their lives.

606
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,837
>> Before the fight, the guys were [__]
bru. Like, this guy got lost to Topa.

607
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,677
This guy [__] 0 and2 [__] like,
bro, they were going in on me.

608
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,957
>> Hey man, look at Charles Olivera. Yeah,
>> I always say look at Charles Alvivera,

609
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,397
one of the all-time greats,
and he went on a a

610
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,557
>> there was a a lot of times where he had
this [__] reputation for being a quitter.

611
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,397
>> Like people, he lost a bunch of times.

612
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,917
Cub Swanson knocked him out. Paul Felder
beat the [__] out of him. All these

613
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,717
people beat him >> and then
he got it together somehow and

614
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,797
became undeniable and became a world

615
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,597
champion. Like this idea that like one

616
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,397
loss defines you is silly. And it's only
the only people that say that are people

617
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,357
that don't know what the [__] they're
talking about. And this is part of the

618
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,957
problem with the the comment sphere, the

619
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,037
world of people that could just chime
in as experts when they literally have

620
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,317
never done anything in their [__] life.
That's a lot of people never

621
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,837
really accomplished anything great.
And they're talking about people that are

622
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,957
trying to do one of the most difficult

623
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,717
things in all of the world. become a

624
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,957
professional combat sports athlete
at the highest level with the whole world

625
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,957
watching you, millions of people on

626
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,237
Paramount Plus, 16,000 people in the

627
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,477
[__] crypto dome or whatever the [__]
that place is called, the whole thing is

628
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,397
nuts, man. >> And for you
to be able to do that,

629
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,797
>> I feel like you're you're better
off just not reading anything, not not

630
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,197
talking to anybody,
just go silent for a while. Just

631
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,757
>> let let the dust settle. Let the
vibrations end. It's like somebody just

632
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:25,240
banged a gong and you
got to wait for that bong.

633
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,997
>> You got to wait
for that to go back to sleep.

634
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,437
>> This is the most
important podcast. Like

635
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,637
you said, you said do it this day.
I'm like, I'm here. [__] yeah.

636
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,117
>> Well, you said it in the interview.
You said, "I want to do your podcast." I

637
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,117
said, "Fuck yeah." I'm so glad I did.

638
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,877
Few times I ever swear during
an interview, too. It just came out. I

639
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,037
said, "Fuck yeah." Cuz it was just so
crazy. It was like, "How do you not have

640
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,637
you on after that? you did something
incredibly special, you know,

641
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,477
>> and I appreciate you letting me finish
the prayer cuz like I could feel the the

642
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,477
crowd's like, "Uh, what's going on?"

643
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,197
This guy started talking Arabic.

644
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,517
>> Is your moment?
I wanted to ask I didn't

645
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,237
want to I did want to ask you, but I
didn't want to prolong it. What was the

646
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,757
prayer? What were you saying?
>> Uh, so that's fat is basically the

647
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,277
opening uh opening prayer of the Quran,
and it's basically like you say that for

648
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,517
the dead. Uh, and you say it during

649
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,317
whenever you pray every day. And um

650
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,557
that's one of the the only only verses
of the Quran that have me I've had

651
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,517
memorized since I was a kid cuz you
can see I'm not I'm not a very perfect

652
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,557
Muslim, you know. I'm very tied up like
people have been seeing my gambling and

653
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,437
all that and all. But that's the thing,
man. There's so many Muslims that like

654
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,877
hide hide [__] too, you know, and like
I just I don't want to conform to one or

655
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,597
the other, you know? That's why I
was just I kind of put all my stuff out

656
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,037
there, you know, and um that was just
a prayer for my dad because uh he he

657
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,877
passed away when I was 15 and I kind
of navigated this whole process without a

658
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,597
father, you know. That's why the Marine
Corps was so important to me cuz like

659
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,117
they taught me how to tie my tie, how
to shave my face, how to press my uniform,

660
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,037
you know, like how to even speak and and

661
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,997
and articulate myself. Like um I'm so

662
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:59,117
grateful for that. And uh yeah, but a
big part of of of me getting here was

663
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,757
losing my father, you know, that kind
of pushed me a lot. I saw someone online

664
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,077
calling you an anti-American and I
was like what? Because he has a Muslim

665
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,557
prayer for his father. How crazy is

666
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,197
that? America is supposed to be
a melting pot of everybody.

667
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,797
>> Yeah. >> All religions,
all walks of life, all

668
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,157
places in the world, all come
to here and become American.

669
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,477
>> The idea that you can't be an American.

670
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,117
Don't you have like stars
and stripes tattooed on your arm?

671
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,557
>> America tattooed around my [__] bro.

672
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,317
It's there's no nuances anymore. Like
they're like, "Oh, like if you support

673
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,997
Palestine, then you can't be [__] a
Marine. And if you're a Marine, it's [__]

674
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,917
>> Well, that's crazy.
>> It's just like, bro, like

675
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,397
>> that's crazy.
Well, there again, there's

676
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,477
too many voices. There's too much noise.

677
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,397
And that's what's going to be really
important for you from now on is like

678
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,957
because you've become very famous,
very quickly, is to surround yourself with

679
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,717
people of character, you know?

680
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,317
>> Where where am I
going to find them, John?"

681
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,477
>> That's a good question. Cuz I've been,
like I'm saying, I've been on this

682
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,797
journey [__] by myself for a very long
time. And uh and like now it's like

683
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,357
snakes in the grass. They're all
appearing like, "Oh, like let me manage

684
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,557
you. Let me help you. Like we we'll
sponsor you. We'll do this. We'll do

685
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,917
that. We" And I'm just like, >> "But
listen, part part of that is a good

686
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,437
thing. Like these are opportunities that
come out of success, right? So it's like

687
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,077
you could say they're taking advantage
of you, but no, it's like there's a

688
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,397
moment that happened. You elevated.
You became something new. And now here you

689
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,237
are in this new stratosphere of life.

690
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,877
And you have to, you know, it's good.

691
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,077
It's good that they want to sponsor you
now. Why would they want to sponsor you

692
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,077
before? You got to realize it. Like you're
0 and two in the UFC. That's how it is.

693
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,717
>> That's fair. >> It's also,
we've talked about this a

694
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,437
thousand times in the broadcast. The
difference between the regional circuit

695
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,677
in the UFC is gigantic. And once you get
into the UFC, the reality of it all, the

696
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,517
experience is overwhelming. And it takes
a few fights for a guy to really show

697
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,277
who he is. You see it over and over
and over again. It takes a few of those

698
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,757
experiences inside that octagon where
you just develop the ability to settle

699
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,437
and then show your true skills. Yeah.

700
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,957
>> And some guys, they never get there.

701
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,597
Some guys, they're phenomenal
in training camp, phenomenal in the gym,

702
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,677
even excellent in the regional circuit.

703
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,437
They get to the bright lights of the big
show, and they just can't be themselves.

704
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,997
>> Yeah. And that was the thing. This is
my first That was my first arena fight.

705
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,757
Like my my last two were in the Apex.

706
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,037
>> Oh, wow.
So it was just like complete like

707
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,197
>> opposite like from like it felt like
a sparring match in the Apex and going out

708
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,357
to there. It was just like but I feel
like I performed better in in in under

709
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,597
pressure like that like like when like
there's millions of people watching and

710
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,757
like the stakes are the highest and it's
like it's like do or die like [__]

711
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,917
I'm 0 and2 like you know there's a high
high chance [__] three losses like I

712
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,877
was on the chopping block. That was I
was looking at you. They were they were

713
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,037
telling me like, "Oh, they won't cut you."
[__] But I was like, "Fucking.

714
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,237
I'm not gonna leave it a chance."

715
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,837
>> If you fight hard as a heavyweight,
you have a very good chance they won't cut

716
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,157
you because the heavyweight division
is insanely shallow. It's really shallow.

717
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:56,157
>> I really hope they
don't cut Tai. I saw him.

718
00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:00,797
>> Ty. Yeah, I know. >> He put up a [__]
tough fight, man. He fought so hard.

719
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,557
>> He's so fun. But I hate seeing that guy
keep taking all these punches. Like,

720
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,037
he's had seven losses in a row now.

721
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,237
hate. >> Yeah. >> You know,
and some of them are just like, geez.

722
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,197
>> And that's the thing,
like you just want

723
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,077
to go out on top. Everyone's just like,
"Oh, let me just [__] win one. I just

724
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,037
want to win one. I just want like Tony
Ferguson." Like, like everyone is just

725
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,797
like, >> and that's where
I'm just like right now

726
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,397
I'm just like, "Fuck, man." Like, >>
does it really get bigger than this? You

727
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,277
know, like upsetting the [__] MMA world.
Like, sure. Like, what are they

728
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,317
going to give me a [__] Hulkit fight
for the title next? Like, what's like

729
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,557
what? He got to jump all the way up.

730
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,157
>> He jumped all the way
up in a lot of way.

731
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,877
>> Let's get Vulov the disrespect, man.

732
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,717
Over Vulov. [__] But that's what that's
where we're in now. It's all about

733
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,237
entertainment. What sells fights.

734
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,477
>> Well, he's very marketable. You know,

735
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,437
obviously he uh talks a lot of [__] And

736
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,837
it's look, it is a strategy on his part.

737
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,837
I've talked to him. He's a normal dude
in real life. He's a nice guy. Talk to

738
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,717
him in real life. But he's realized like

739
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,597
there's a way to get eyes
on you and that is to be crazy.

740
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,837
>> Oh, it's totally fake.
I mean, he'll tell you it's fake.

741
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,077
>> I did it by being real. >> You did?

742
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,437
>> Yeah, it's true. I mean, look.
You don't have to do it that way.

743
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,077
>> But also, you know, he's had three
fights in the UFC and he's fighting for

744
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,997
the title. >> Yeah. >> For him.

745
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,877
>> You know what I'm saying?
>> It's crazy. But

746
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,117
>> Sarah better beat him, man. [__] >>
Well, serial is a hard dude to figure

747
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,197
out. He's a different kind of cat.

748
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,837
That's That [__] moves different
than everybody else. You know, we were

749
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,637
talking about this. I think basketball
might be a really good start starting

750
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,397
point for MMA. Like if you can
get really good at basketball, the

751
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,157
difference is you're a big person first
of all and then for heavyweights in

752
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:42,477
particular and you're doing constant
plyometrics like basketball is

753
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,317
plyometrics, right? You're moving
this way, you're jumping, you're leaping

754
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,077
forward, there's all these like changes

755
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,717
of angle and direction that comes up

756
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,437
very much in fighting, especially if
you can change direction quickly in the

757
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:00,317
middle of a combination, which serial can.
Like you see the serial taiuasa fight.

758
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,157
>> Yeah. Incredible performance, right?

759
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:03,277
>> His footwork is just unreal.

760
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,437
>> Footwork's out of control, man. His
footwork's unreal. And against Pereira,

761
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,677
you saw how that translates against
a guy as big as him. You know, that

762
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,157
footwork is a that's
a [__] real problem, man.

763
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:15,197
>> What did you think about those back of

764
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,957
the head shots, do you think?

765
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,837
>> I watched it and I know that um Pereira

766
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,797
is blaming Herb Dean. The problem is

767
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,917
he's moving and it's chaos. The really

768
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,797
egregious foul is the Tom Aspenol fouls.

769
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,637
That's the very egregious fouls, the eye

770
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,357
pokes. Those are egregious. Those are

771
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,557
just fingers out in the eyeballs. Those

772
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,877
are bad. I'm of the opinion the moment
that happens, they should take a point

773
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,037
away instantly. Instantaneously. Your

774
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,797
fingers goes in a guy's eye, take a

775
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,077
point away. You nutshot a guy. Unless
it's a diversion. Like sometimes like

776
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,717
you'll kick and it'll kick someone's shin
and then it'll foot will go into the nuts.

777
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,957
>> Accident clearly. But if you just
kick a guy in the nuts, one point.

778
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,917
>> You grab a fence, one point. Let's stop
all this. Let's stop all this. There's

779
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,037
two ways to stop that.
>> Another ways you got to figure out how

780
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,557
to cover the fingers. I I think people
are strategizing that now where like

781
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,117
they know like [__] oh if I if I
poke Pokemon I like [__] the damage is

782
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,237
going to be done and like I got the advant
like sure maybe even take a point

783
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,157
like [__] but the damage is already

784
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,157
done. That happened to me in my my pro

785
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:27,437
debut. The guy was like dipping his head

786
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,597
down and [__] coming up with the overhand
and when he popped his head, he

787
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,477
just [__] headbutted me around
the chin and like >> on purpose

788
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,997
>> cuz he kept doing it. But like the ref
didn't even see it and I like I got a

789
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,317
little wobbles and stuff and um but if
I didn't finish him like I could have

790
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,197
gotten screwed, you know,
like [__] nobody catches that stuff.

791
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,597
>> Well, Pantosia accused Joshua Van
of that in their fight and I think he

792
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,477
thought that Joshua Van was doing that,
but I don't think that was what was

793
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,037
going on at all. I think he was just
getting frustrated that Joshua Van was

794
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,557
was moving ahead and the fight was >>
in this last one. I didn't even get to

795
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,477
watch it. It was >> it
was a [__] masterclass,

796
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,237
>> you know, cuz Joshua Van, he won
the title, but it was from an injury, you

797
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,237
know, Pentosia threw the head kick,
falls backwards, breaks his arm. That's

798
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,997
the fight. It happened really quickly.

799
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,837
And so it was a very >> Yeah.
>> You know, it was a fluke. Yeah.

800
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,717
>> Anticlimactic. It was It was an injury.

801
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,397
We don't know how the fight would have
played out if they had gone. But then

802
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,317
you see him against Tatsuro Tyra. He
looked like a world champion. He beat he

803
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,237
defended the title. And then against

804
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,477
Pantosia, he just put on a masterclass,

805
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,757
man. His [__] boxing was so sweet.

806
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,597
Like Joshua Van is something special,
man. That that kid gets better every

807
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,917
single time he fights. Every sing. And

808
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,117
so Panto's like 25, right?

809
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,037
>> Yeah. He's he's he's the real thing,
man. He's something special. He's

810
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,317
something real special. And I feel like
next time you see him fight after he

811
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,677
just beat Pantoia, who's one of the
greatest flyweights of all time, and

812
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,277
just beat him decisively. After he beat
Pantoia, I think he's going to be even

813
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,237
better next time. I mean, he was talking
in the press conference. He was upset

814
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,677
about his victory. He said, "Man,
look at my face." He goes, he goes, "That

815
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,277
dude shouldn't be touching me like this."

816
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,557
>> That's what makes you a champion.

817
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:13,597
>> Exactly. Exactly. >> But,
you know, his path and your path,

818
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,637
they're very different paths. And
everyone has to decide where they're at

819
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,197
in their life. And if you're at this point
where you're like, I don't know if

820
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,237
I want to do this anymore.
I could just go out with that.

821
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,597
>> Well, I just want
to know why I'm doing.

822
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,557
That's what I need to go out and find
that answer because I'm like, if it's

823
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,517
just the money, like I I did option
trading when I during COVID, like I used

824
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,397
to be a personal trainer when I got out
of the the Marines and then I started

825
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,677
getting into option trading to learn
how to make money digitally and like I

826
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,197
started making like six figures during

827
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,157
the whole AMC and GameStop and Tesla

828
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:46,477
[__] pops and all that stuff. And um
that's like one and I want to do like

829
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,997
private security as well. I I did a few
of that like I would go work with some

830
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,677
of the high rollers in casinos. I just
do private security and like I could

831
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,197
find ways to make money. I got GI Bill
benefits that I like I go to school and

832
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:02,157
like like do so for me I'm like if it's
just the money like I could find a way

833
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:06,637
to make money without getting
[__] my head my brain smashed.

834
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:11,677
the title. Yeah, but I mean [__] cool
UFC title. But like then it's like oh

835
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,797
you're not a champion until you defend
the title and then it's like [__] oh

836
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,517
and then then there's this guy coming
up and this guy and it's just like this

837
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,637
never ending. It's not until you're [__]

838
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:24,557
old and beaten up and [__] they see
you [__] down. Like that's that's the

839
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,677
business, man. So >> that is true.
And if you talk to some of

840
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,677
these guys that stayed in too long
and you know they're slurring their words

841
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,277
and you see how broken they are,
they're have a difficult time walking and

842
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,197
sitting down. It's a struggle.

843
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,157
>> Yeah. >> Yeah.

844
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:41,117
>> My whole my whole MMA career cuz I got

845
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,397
out in 2018 and I I sent an email to

846
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,957
Pillo and uh Orange County and Ruka and
uh it was basically just trial by fire.

847
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,997
I was just sparring all the pros.
Luke Rockhold, Michael Bisbing, [__] Sean

848
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,077
Strickland came [__] was dropping me
as an amateur. Like I [__] just would

849
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,437
been sparring over and then I went
out to Tiger and [__] I moved out to

850
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,677
Thailand was doing sparring out there
and I was just been even got to extreme

851
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,517
and [__] they I I was sparring
Francis and Gano my first week, bro. My

852
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,397
first week they threw me in there
with Anguo but it was the most terrifying

853
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,357
[__] of my [__] life, bro. I went
to the Apex and reassess my life choices

854
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,917
after that, bro.
Like I was I was just like

855
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,037
>> And so when you talking about guys that
are staying too long like bro like I've

856
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,077
just been sparring and that maybe that's
where my lack of development is, you

857
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,397
know, cuz I I never focused on like just
the footwork and never focused on just

858
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,477
uh that getting better at like thinking,
you know, it was always just this primal

859
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,437
feeling of just like like I've been in
street fights, you know, and like I just

860
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,597
[__] start picking it up as I go.

861
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,077
>> That's interesting. So do you have
a main coach? Do you have a head coach

862
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,917
that just develops you? No,
>> it's I bounced around a lot of gyms.

863
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,717
Like I started Pillo, I went with Nick,
I went to Freestyle MMA, I went to Pada.

864
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,677
I've bounced around like so many and like
because I' i've always been looking

865
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,557
for the the cuss and Mick, the [__]

866
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,277
custom Tyson, the Rocky and Mick
and like the like Trevor and and and Gachi

867
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,877
and like, bro, like that doesn't
come unless you're [__] Hollywood now.

868
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,917
Like [__] like now, sure, maybe
I'll get [__] a bunch of coaches like

869
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,157
yeah, let me [__] develop you.
But I'm like, who who actually [__] wants

870
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,917
to to like actually be my head coach,
you know? Like [__] like who who is

871
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,197
actually like here? Cuz nobody was like,
"Oh, like I see [__] potential in you

872
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,757
and you could be a world champion
someday and let me take you under my

873
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,037
wing and and and and I'll give you
privates for free." Like all every

874
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,877
single private I did, I paid for every
single one. Like I never got any free

875
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,557
privates. And that was a big part of why
I went into a lot of financial struggle

876
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,277
was like no sponsors, no [__] and I'm
like constantly like like just because I

877
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,077
want I just wanted my hand raised one
time just like [__] I just wanted to

878
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,517
know what it felt like to get my [__]
hand raised in that octagon, man. And so

879
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,397
that's why I [__] I did it and on on

880
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,237
the biggest stage against the biggest

881
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,277
odds and I'm just like bro like

882
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,237
walk from the table when you're up bro.

883
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,357
Well, listen, it's not the worst idea
in the world. Especially, you were saying

884
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,637
that there's they you did brain scans
and they found something in your brain.

885
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:02,077
What? >> Yeah, there
was just it was just like

886
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,517
white matter and stuff like so they did
an MRI and then they're like, "Hey, like

887
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,597
we want you to do another CT scan like
there was like it's like white specks or

888
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,077
something. White matter or something
like great." They were like, "Oh, it

889
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,077
could be caused by headaches. Could be
caused by this." But um yeah, I don't

890
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,237
know what >> it is. All that sparring
for sure gives you brain damage.

891
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,397
>> Yeah. >> Do I mean
I'm sure you had your bell

892
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,757
rung. I'm sure you've been dropped.

893
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,037
>> Yeah. >> Is part of the sparring.
Everybody look,

894
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,117
if you spar, you're
going to get some damage.

895
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,597
>> Yeah, for sure. >> There's
no no if ends or buts about.

896
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,877
>> Cost of business. >> And um
a lot of the brain damage that

897
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,117
fighters get it a lot of it comes from
training. A lot of it doesn't even come

898
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,877
from the actual fights itself.

899
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,517
>> Yeah, >> it counts.
I mean, people don't think

900
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,517
about that. You go, "Wow, he only
got knocked out one time in his whole

901
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,717
career." Yeah, but how many sparring
matches did he have? You know?

902
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,277
>> Yeah. >> Yeah.
That's that was I was telling you

903
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:54,797
earlier like I went through [__] hell

904
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,517
this camp. Like I was [__] like hard

905
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,677
around like like f um Iwan Coutalaba.

906
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,317
>> He's so explosive so fast. He's [__]
and now like we're working that oblique

907
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,197
kick. This is something another thing I
want to I want to mention that was very

908
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,397
interesting to me. My whole camp I trained

909
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,877
>> for him to crawl towards me like
Jones does because he's he does the same

910
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,197
thing. And so what I did, I got down in
the same position on my knees to to like

911
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,997
crawl towards him because that's what
I've been practicing my whole camp. But

912
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,597
then he didn't do it that this last fight.
He just walked towards me.

913
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,997
>> So I don't know if [__] that was if
I got in his head when I got down. But I

914
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,557
thought that was very interesting cuz
my whole camp I was every time every round

915
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,277
I was like, "Hey, crawl towards me like
Jones does. Crawl towards me like Jones

916
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,357
does. Do the oblique kick." I fully went
into this fight thinking that my knees

917
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,797
were going to get caved to [__] >>
I completely I was like, "Bro, like

918
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,237
[__] I don't care." What do you think
about that kick? The UFC is now talking

919
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,117
about trying to ban that kick.

920
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,517
>> I think this is combat. Like I
think it's like a part of it and um it's

921
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:00,717
unfortunate because a career ender
like Khalil Roundry [__] he's and

922
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,957
it's just like >> and also Shaot,
you know, Ian Gary got shave's knee.

923
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,117
>> Yeah. So it's like a part of it's
like Yeah. [__] sucks. But at the same

924
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,037
time is like it's it's fighting,
you know, like and it's like if this was a

925
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,597
real fight, like that's
that's pretty realistic.

926
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,157
>> So is eye pokes. >> Yeah.
I say get that football field you

927
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:21,917
were talking about. >> Yeah.
But you know what I'm saying? So

928
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,757
are eye pokes and we don't allow eye
pokes because it creates permanent injury.

929
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,117
>> I see what you're saying.
But the reality is if you were in a street

930
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,997
fight, you'd poke the [__] out
of somebody's eyes and you should.

931
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,117
>> You know, if you're fighting for
your life, you'd [__] thumb right in the

932
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,597
eye. 100%. Why wouldn't 100% why
wouldn't you? So, we have to decide like

933
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,517
>> true >> what is good
for the the safety of the

934
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,757
athletes long term if you're going to have
a long-term career with a blown out

935
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,557
knee. >> Okay.
A blown out knee takes you out for

936
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,837
a year. Not only does it take you out
for a year, but your knee might never be

937
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,477
the same again. And you've
had ACL surgery, you know.

938
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:57,837
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I've had him.

939
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,317
>> That's why I'm tell that was one of my
fears going into this fight. I was like,

940
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,957
"Fuck, man. These [__] are
going to [__] my [__] up."

941
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,277
>> Yeah. >> And I was like,
"Fuck it. Let's go."

942
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,077
Like John destroyed guys knees.

943
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,837
>> I was there for Thiago Santos.
I was there and uh that was the same night

944
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,837
Mazdall knocked out Askin and uh Right.

945
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,797
And uh yeah, I don't think Thiago Santos
was ever the same after that fight.

946
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,117
>> He had both his knees
reconstructed after that fight.

947
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,677
>> [__] crazy. >> Yeah.
And Rampage Jackson too. He blew

948
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,917
out Rampage's knee. Rampage said my knee
was never the same again after that fight.

949
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,477
>> I just don't think I understand that
it's combat but also so is poking in the

950
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,077
eyes and we don't allow poking in the
eyes. So you you think we shouldn't have

951
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,037
>> is an argument. There's a real
conversation about whether or not it

952
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,797
should be legal. Andy Foster, I think,
is one of the best without a doubt

953
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,717
athletic commission directors from
California. He thinks it should be banned.

954
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,717
>> Yeah. >> And the UFC
thinks it should be banned.

955
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,357
It's just too many guys. Ruseo, who just

956
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,637
fought uh MVP, MVP blew out his knee,

957
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:54,797
>> sidekick his knee.
His knee's completely

958
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,917
reconstructed now. He went into
surgery right after the fight.

959
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,877
Now, would it be like just
the oblique kick or like

960
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,477
>> sidekicks and oblique kicks?

961
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,757
>> Just those two. >> Yeah.
Uh just attacking the knee with a

962
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,517
straight kick that hyperextends it.
So, you'd still be able to leg kick.

963
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,997
Obviously, you still be able to round
kick to the leg, but and the the issue

964
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,757
is the hyperextension of the knee
because it just takes one and your knee

965
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,077
is [__] forever and your career is over.

966
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,397
>> Yeah. >> You know,
it's just why are we doing

967
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:27,117
that? You know, why don't we poke each
other in the eye if we're gonna do that?

968
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,317
>> That's very That's very true. You know,
it's a sport at the end of day, not a

969
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,557
street fight. >> Yeah.
And people say, "Well, you can

970
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,357
heel hook. You could tap on a heel hook."
You cannot tap for a sidekick to the knee.

971
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,517
>> That that sidekick comes and especially

972
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,717
catches you. You see the the ruse of the

973
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,517
the screenshot of what it looked like
when MVP caught him. His [__] [__]

974
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,877
was totally sideways. Oh, >> [__] >> Yeah.
Just everything's ripped apart

975
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,597
inside of there. It's gone. Yeah.

976
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,677
>> Yeah. >> I mean, one shot for it,
you know? I like my knees [__]

977
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,397
>> I just don't I think there's things
we can't do. We can't bite. We can't eye

978
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,757
gouge. We can't fish hook. There's
a bunch of things we can't do because you

979
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,877
want to protect the fighters.
And look at look at his knee.

980
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,077
>> Oh [__] >> Yeah.
Look how sideways that [__] is.

981
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,877
>> That's blown blown out, man.

982
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,237
>> God damn. >> I mean, that's knee
probably never going to be the same again.

983
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,477
>> How did you feel about them letting him
go even though he's winning? I think MVP

984
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,197
should be a welterweight first of all.
I think at welterweight he's almost

985
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,677
unstoppable. So [__] difficult to handle.
Uh Ian Garry was the only guy

986
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,957
that figured out how to handle him.
I don't think the power translates as well

987
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,357
at 85. Some of these 85 guys like

988
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,997
Gregory Rodriguez and Joe Pyer. They're
[__] huge, man. I don't know how they

989
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,397
make 85, but these guys look like
heavyweights. Um, but he's one of my

990
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,677
favorite fighters to watch because like
his fight with Kevin Holland, people

991
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,597
could talk all the [__] about it was a
boring fight and nothing happened. But

992
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,437
when you got a guy as good as Kevin
Holland and he's just like completely

993
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,957
frustrated because he can't do [__] and
this guy's just dancing in front of him

994
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,757
and popping him and kicking him
and punching him anytime he wants.

995
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:01,997
>> Yeah.

996
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,157
>> It's nuts to watch, man. He's he's also

997
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:09,197
38, 39. Like, how old is MVP now? How

998
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,637
old is Michael Venom Page?

999
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:16,317
For me, he was uh like proof of concept

1000
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:17,917
because I was always telling people I

1001
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,557
was like the thing that's missing in MMA

1002
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,317
39. See, the reality is if you're

1003
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:29,677
natural, if you're a natural athlete
and you're 39 years old, it's almost over.

1004
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,037
>> Yeah. >> Unless you're a heavyweight.

1005
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,797
Heavyweights have a little bit more life
to them. Like Francis is still at the

1006
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,037
top of the heap and I
think he's like 40 now.

1007
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:42,157
>> Yeah. But there's a there's a time
where you just can't move. I mean, all the

1008
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,197
injuries, all the training, you can't
move as well anymore. You're a little

1009
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,597
bit slower. I was always
saying though that the

1010
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,437
there's a thing that's missing in combat

1011
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,437
sports, and that thing is point fighting

1012
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,117
karate. That point fighting style is so

1013
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,517
[__] hard to deal with. If you have
never sparred anybody that does that

1014
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,997
[__] the moment you spar them, you're
like, "Yo, this is crazy." like these

1015
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,357
guys can cover distance. Ah, they just
jump in and then they're out of there

1016
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,197
and they move out of the way and you
get frustrated and you start chasing them

1017
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,197
and then you get countered.
>> It's a a totally different element on

1018
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:22,317
its own. It's no good. Like it's no good
as a standalone style because guys could

1019
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,317
take you down. You don't know how
to wrestle, you're [__] You don't know

1020
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,397
how to do jiu-jitsu. You get strangled.

1021
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,077
You don't know leg kicks. You get your
legs kicked out from under you. But on

1022
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,837
if you know all those things
and you come from that point fighting

1023
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,557
background, that ability to blitz, that
ability to dive in and out and and hit

1024
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,237
someone from a distance
they can't hit you is crazy.

1025
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,797
>> Yeah. >> And he to me
was like proof of concept.

1026
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,077
And I think there's going to be a lot of

1027
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,157
other guys that are like elite point

1028
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:52,077
fighters that decide to enter into MMA

1029
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,837
and I think they're going to have like
some pretty pretty incredible success if

1030
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:01,917
they're special. Raymond Daniels did
it for a little bit in um uh in Bellator

1031
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,117
>> 720. >> Yeah, 720 punch [__] >>
but he also like did it in uh Glory

1032
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,357
kickboxing too. He had some great
fights in glory kickboxing as well.

1033
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,517
>> But again, he's a little older. That's
the problem. These guys, they have these

1034
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,277
long careers in the one discipline.
They get really good and then they by the

1035
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,197
time they start doing MMA, they're 34,
35, four or five years later, their

1036
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,077
career's over. Yeah. you know, so you
don't have enough time to develop and

1037
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,397
really grow and you're also going to

1038
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,157
have a gang of injuries. I mean, look, I

1039
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,517
I wish nothing but the best for MVP.
I love that guy. I think he's awesome.

1040
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,357
He's got an awesome personality.
He's had some boring fights, though,

1041
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,237
unfortunately. And I think >> it's
entertainment. I see [__] knockouts.

1042
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,077
>> It's a little bit of both, you know.

1043
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,517
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How do you feel about that? You've been
around for for a long time like when the

1061
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:01,197
fortitas ran it compared to now how
Paramount runs it. Like do you do you

1062
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,877
like how it is now? Like compared
to where like it's all about entertainment

1063
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,157
versus like who's the best at dominance?

1064
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:12,637
>> Well, I'm a purist. I don't think
you should ever stand a guy up. I don't

1065
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,197
think you should ever separate someone
when they're on the cage. I cheer for it

1066
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,077
when it happens, just like every other
[__] Like, yeah, stand them up. But,

1067
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,397
but I mean, if you gave me the ability
to write the rules, I would never stand

1068
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,477
anybody up ever. If you get taken down
and someone's on top of you giving you

1069
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,077
ngies for five rounds, figure out how
to get up. And if you can't figure out how

1070
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:34,717
to get up, you lost. Simple. You might
not lose the same way that you beat

1071
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,517
Gable. You know, that's a way more
exciting way to win, right? But you

1072
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,517
still won. You held him down. You gave
him some of these. He couldn't get up.

1073
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:48,077
That's the fight. Boo. The audience booze.
Okay, whatever. Still better than

1074
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,797
baseball. [__] off.
>> You know what I mean? Like I I think

1075
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,837
it's fighting. And I think I also think

1076
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,477
very controversially, you shouldn't be

1077
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,957
stood up not only at the end of the

1078
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,837
round or I think the next fight, the next
round rather, it's the same fight.

1079
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,477
You should be put back
in the same position.

1080
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,717
is just pride in 15 minutes straight.

1081
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,317
>> You could do that. Well, Pride was 10.

1082
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,357
It was 10 minute rounds and then
a second five minute round. But I don't

1083
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,557
think you earn a stand up, you know?

1084
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:21,197
Like every fight starts standing up,
right? But once a guy takes you down, if

1085
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,117
he takes you down, you didn't earn
getting back up. So if you didn't earn

1086
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,837
getting back up, I think you should go
right back to the same position. It's

1087
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:32,237
one fight. It's not five fights. If you
have a fivem minutee round, you get five

1088
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,717
different chances to avoid a takedown.

1089
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:39,037
Why? You already been taken down.
You never figured out how to get up.

1090
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,237
>> It's funny you say
that because that was

1091
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,757
that was what we were talking about
with my my fight camp. I was all like it's

1092
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,637
like [__] they're going to stand
me up at the [__] at the end of the

1093
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,837
round, you know? So, you know,
every fight starts on the feet, you know?

1094
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,957
>> Every round starts on the feet.
And if you're a wrestler or any kind of

1095
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,637
grappler, you have to take
a guy down every single round.

1096
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,957
>> And it's kind
of crazy because in a real

1097
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:04,237
fight, like a fight is a fight.
It's like not five five minute look. The

1098
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,717
argument of like having guys fight
for 25 minutes straight is crazy. No fight

1099
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,077
would probably last that long.
Everybody would gas out.

1100
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,397
>> Of course, >> it would be
a battle of attrition. Only

1101
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,557
guys like Morab Morabish will be the

1102
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,957
king of the world.

1103
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,677
>> Facts. I'm not going 25 minutes.

1104
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,837
>> It's crazy. [__] heavyweights going

1105
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:28,797
25 minutes is [__] mad. And when you
do have heavyweights going 25 minutes,

1106
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:33,517
the damage they do to each other
is horrific. Is horrific. you know, like

1107
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,597
the the Cain Velasquez, Junior Doss
Santos fights, man. I've watched those

1108
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,757
back and forth and especially, you know,
uh Junior knocked him out in the first

1109
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,237
fight, caught him with a punch and then

1110
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:49,277
Kane destroyed him in the next two
fights and they were prolonged, horrific

1111
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:50,797
beatings. >> Yeah.

1112
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,797
>> That's why I came up watching the Kane

1113
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,637
trilogies and then the Brock Lesnar. Oh,

1114
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,997
>> Kane is something, man. >> Yeah,
that was always my my three. Kane

1115
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,837
Velasquez, Jon Jones, and Mike Tyson.

1116
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,797
And I was like, if I could put those
three together, that's the fighter.

1117
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:09,517
>> What about Fedor?
>> Faded is Feder is I I just wasn't

1118
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,717
watching him the same, but I had
to realize the goat. But [__] Bluy beat

1119
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,637
him. Bluy >> in sombo.
Combat sombo by by points.

1120
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,397
Yeah. Yeah. >> You're
wearing a ghee. Backing me.

1121
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,517
>> Yeah. You're wearing a ghee.
You're wearing shoes.

1122
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,917
>> There's a lot going on.
Bgoy is a bad [__]

1123
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,437
>> I never really watched that the uh the
Pride era and all that stuff. I was more

1124
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,277
just I started watching around like
Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell and like

1125
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,797
right around then >> Goya came back
from getting stabbed in the heart.

1126
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,997
>> Yeah, he's a bad [__] >>
That's a bad [__] He was a

1127
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,637
tough dude, man. Very tough dude.

1128
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:48,317
>> But it's like heavyweight
um fighting. I think

1129
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,717
there's never been a heavyweight
division that was more stacked than

1130
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,757
Pride in the early 2000s. Never.

1131
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,797
>> Heavyweight division in Pride I think
was the glory days of the heavyweight

1132
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,677
division. You had Merco Crocop, you had

1133
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,077
Mark Coleman, you had Minotauro Noggera,

1134
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,357
you had Fedor, you had like one after

1135
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,277
the other, killer, killer, killer,

1136
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,237
killer. It was just like this insane

1137
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,517
shark tank of elite fighters. And then

1138
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:19,197
they were all fighting juice to the tits
over in Japan, you know, it was a

1139
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,837
different world. >> That's
that's where we're Don Fry.

1140
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,837
>> I was asking um Birmingham, how you
pronounce his name from over at Ways to

1141
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,157
Well, >> Brigham. bring him. Bring him I
was asking him about the the peptides and

1142
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,957
stuff because I heard there's talks
about maybe like getting some of the

1143
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,477
recovery peptides approved now
in the UFC and stuff. So, I don't know if

1144
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:40,477
that's where it's going to be headed, but
>> it would certainly help. I do not know

1145
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,077
where they're going with that, whether
or not it would be possible and whether

1146
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,597
or not eventually it gets through. But
there's certain things that are just not

1147
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:52,637
performance-enhancing. All they do
is help soft tissue injuries. BPC57, I

1148
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,477
think, would be an easy one to approve.

1149
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,957
That's the best one I think
for soft tissue injuries.

1150
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,997
>> Have you used them? >> Oh, yeah. [__]
yeah. I use the [__] out of that stuff.

1151
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,037
>> I've never used it. Everyone
always tells me Wolverine stack.

1152
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,357
>> Oh, it's great. >> But now
there's like so many everyone in

1153
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,717
their mom who sells peptides now like
you don't even know like the >> true

1154
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,357
>> the true good. >> That's
why a company like Waste Well is

1155
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,197
so important because it's a compounding
pharmacy. You know, they they have they

1156
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,637
own a compounding pharmacy. So, you
know that you're getting an actual pure

1157
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:23,837
version of BPC57. Whereas, if you order
it online, who knows where it's coming

1158
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,557
from? You're getting it online.
It's getting delivered to you. It might be

1159
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,477
coming from China. It may be coming from
Vietnam. Like, who knows? Who know? It

1160
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,237
might be real. It might be great.
It might be total [__] Like, the

1161
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,637
people have run tests on different
peptides they found online and a lot of

1162
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,797
them are just total [__] >> Yeah.

1163
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,037
>> Like 20% of what they say is in there.

1164
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,157
Yeah. It's like you're just guessing
because it's not regulated. So, it

1165
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,797
should be legal and it should be
regulated, you know, and then, you know,

1166
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,637
if if that's the case, I think then
there should be an argument for certain

1167
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:59,757
peptides that help people recover from
injuries because this is a sport where

1168
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,317
you're practicing injuring
each other all day long.

1169
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,197
>> Everyone's [__] injured.
>> If you want fighters to compete at a

1170
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,237
high level once they get into the octagon,
you're going to have to help

1171
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,757
them recover along the way. And it's
not just cold plunges and saunas and

1172
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,117
massage. BBC 157 will help them recover.

1173
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,077
And it's not going to make them a super
athlete. It's not going to make them

1174
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,597
faster or stronger. It's just going
to help heal injuries, >> right?

1175
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,637
>> I mean, that's my position. But I think

1176
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,957
it's weird that you can use like some
things that work great like creatine.

1177
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,557
>> Yeah. >> Like creatine's
phenomenal >> and that's legal.

1178
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,797
>> Well, I didn't know
this, but the PI was

1179
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:39,197
educating us how the creatine helps
your brain now, too. So, I'm like, [__]

1180
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,517
>> dude, >> is this going
to make me smarter or [__] what?

1181
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,597
>> Creatine 100% increases mental
performance. If I have a day where I

1182
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:49,837
haven't gotten much sleep and I don't
take creatine versus a day where I

1183
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,397
haven't got much sleep and I do take
creatine, there's a giant difference.

1184
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,717
And they've done studies on this. They
show when sleepdeprived people, creatine

1185
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,557
basically mitigates all the negative
effects of sleep deprivation.

1186
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,357
>> So you can perform like
mentally at the same level.

1187
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:04,797
>> Do you take the powder form?

1188
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,877
>> Powder form. Yeah. >> Just try.

1189
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,117
>> Yeah. There's a company called Create.

1190
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,117
>> They make creatine gummies. They make
um a bunch of different but they also have

1191
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,237
powder. Each one of them's
five milligrams. Yeah.

1192
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,957
>> So, I just take these uh or five grams.

1193
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,677
Five grams. >> Usually,
it's five grams. Yeah,

1194
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,357
>> it's grams. Yeah, it's not milligrams.

1195
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,997
So, I take um two five gram packets
in the morning, two in the night.

1196
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,597
>> Yeah, that's how I do it.
>> The PI gives us the Thorn supplements.

1197
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,477
They give us >> Yeah, it's great stuff.
Thorn's awesome stuff. Yeah, they

1198
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:39,357
>> give us I dry scoop it, just throw it
in my mouth, drink water, dug it. It just

1199
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,237
doesn't taste good.
It's just It's performance. Yeah,

1200
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,557
>> but creatine is one of the few
absolutely legitimate supplements that I

1201
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,677
think most people, especially
most athletes, should be taking.

1202
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,917
>> [__] yeah. >> And just good for your
brain just overall. Just great for it.

1203
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,797
>> Yeah. I think I needed to go to I
haven't taken any [__] because that

1204
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,037
was the other thing too. They were
telling me like once you get closer to

1205
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:03,677
the fight like you don't need to be
taking as much creatine because it's like

1206
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,517
I don't know if it like
harder dehydrates you or [__]

1207
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,477
>> First of all, you're not cutting any
weight. So, the the difference between

1208
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,717
you and a lighter weight guy, I could
see the argument for a lighter weight

1209
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,917
guy, because with lighter weight guys,
if you're trying to cut some weight,

1210
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,837
what's going on is uh creatine, one
of the benefits of it, it lets you hold

1211
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,357
more water, you know, so you have more
water in your muscles, your muscles are

1212
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,957
stronger, your your brain works better,
there's more water in your system,

1213
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,437
>> right? >> I think that's
how it works. There's a

1214
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,677
bunch of reasons why it works, but I do
know that it makes people makes people

1215
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,997
hold more water. Um, so if you're
a fighter that's cutting weight, like some

1216
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,837
of these guys, which they some of these
guys cut insane amounts of weight, like

1217
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,197
did you see that >> um Ryan
Garcia Connor Ben fight where

1218
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,397
they said he weighed 30 lbs
more the day of the fight?

1219
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:55,597
>> Yeah. >> What? >> It didn't
help him. It was [__] crazy.

1220
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:56,557
>> I didn't think it was going to help.

1221
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,037
>> I didn't think Ryan was going
to win that cuz >> You didn't?

1222
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:03,837
>> Like I I like Ryan, but like I
heard he was like [__] partying [__] a

1223
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,597
little while before. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

1224
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,237
cuz he had like his birthday
like two months before and like

1225
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,917
>> just two months that's it >> maybe
>> that's okay. Yeah, two months is all

1226
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,597
right for a guy that good that young.

1227
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,277
Yeah, I thought Ryan was on a totally
different level. My my position was is

1228
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,277
and no disrespect to Connor Ben was like

1229
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,517
I've watched Ryan compete against guys

1230
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,557
like Javvante like you know guys like at

1231
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,637
a very high level Roelly like he's he's
been in there with some of the absolute

1232
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,397
best guys in the division. Yeah.

1233
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:33,277
>> And um I just think he's just a

1234
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:38,157
different level. That's what my position
was. And also his speed is [__]

1235
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,597
crazy. >> His speed is nuts, man.

1236
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,837
>> Yeah, >> he's his left
hook is just [__] preposterous.

1237
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:47,837
>> Does it say 178? Yeah. Less than 12

1238
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,277
hours from weigh-ins, Connor Ben is

1239
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:54,397
rehydrated from 146 to 178.4.

1240
01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:55,677
>> Wow.

1241
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,877
>> That's not good. Like that's like very

1242
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,477
unhealthy for your body to go to that

1243
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,077
state where you're almost dead.
Like what do you walk around at?

1244
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,317
>> Uh usually I was I
was a little heavier.

1245
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,797
I was at 255, but for this camp
I went down. I was about 240 245.

1246
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,197
>> Does anybody try to talk
you into going to 205?

1247
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,517
>> I did my pro debut at 205. So yeah.

1248
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,917
Yeah. So I know I can I could do it.
Um the Pillo was the one that told me he's

1249
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,477
like I think I like you better at a
heavyweight. This was like when I was an

1250
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,877
amateur. He's like because of his speed
and um I feel like it's a different

1251
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,557
fight like when I I'm telling you I was

1252
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:36,397
sparring like uh Ewan and Strickland's
not a 205 but that [__] sometimes

1253
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:39,437
but >> yeah I feel like
it's like a lot a lot

1254
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:44,157
more uh thinking than heavy you
know like it's more like their

1255
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,037
>> speed and movement. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I feel like they're a little

1256
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,477
smarter than me. But

1257
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,037
>> so you're really uh considering like

1258
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:56,237
wrapping it up. I I'm I'm
I'm taking as I go right now,

1259
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,557
you know, but I I just really don't
know, you know, because it's like,

1260
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,757
brother, I'm f I'm legit filing
bankruptcy this year. Like that's

1261
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,957
[__] like like I really ran myself
all the way into debt like [__]

1262
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,317
chasing this [__] [__] you know?

1263
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:10,717
Like don't get me wrong, like is on [__]
I got a TRX [__] I couldn't afford. I

1264
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:15,037
paid for my tattoos, like 30 grand
on that [__] I did PRK, put that on the

1265
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,957
card like I took my mom to >> uh
instead of Lasix, so they don't you

1266
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:23,277
don't have the flap. And um and I took
my mom to Mecca and it was just like,

1267
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:27,677
bro, like I just been [__] I burnt my
boats and I was just like, you know, [__]

1268
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,837
>> back against the wall.
>> That's it, brother. [__] we got to win.

1269
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,477
>> Well, now that you're in debt, you
probably should have a couple fights to

1270
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,717
get out of debt. >> Well,
that's the thing, too. It's like,

1271
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,957
bro, capitalize, my my life is so
[__] crazy. Like, I need like a

1272
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,477
lawyer, a financial adviser right now.
I need some [__] like some guidance,

1273
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:48,317
you know? And that's that's the thing
where I'm just like I'm like I got what

1274
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,157
I wanted and now I'm just like okay
what the [__] is next, you know? And um

1275
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:56,477
that's the thing like people [__]
like like oh like how how is it just

1276
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,677
this one win, you know? But I'm I'm
legit telling you like all I wanted was

1277
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,117
to [__] have my hand raised in the octagon
like that. I just wanted to know

1278
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,677
what that [__] felt like and I that

1279
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,157
was [__] that was a [__] the best possible

1280
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,037
ever, you know, and the fact >> best
possible result. Yeah. And and the

1281
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,557
fact like like I I genuinely was like
praying this this this time. Like that

1282
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,877
was the first time like I was like legit
like and it wasn't even just like my

1283
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,557
just me like I had my my Muslim friends,
my my Christian friends. Like it was

1284
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,997
[__] like like there was just so many
people like I'm a spiritual guy. Like

1285
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,637
that's the thing where people are like
oh it's so contradicting sometimes. And

1286
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,117
I'm just like I've always been like like

1287
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,837
very like more spiritual than than

1288
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:41,037
following just the books. And um yeah,
I just uh I felt like there was something

1289
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,397
with me that fight. I felt like it
wasn't just me in there. Like the fact

1290
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:46,717
that like I fell dirt biking like three

1291
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,277
weeks uh ago with with Strickland and

1292
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:54,237
[__] busted my [__] shoulder. And >>
why are you doing that with him? Sean

1293
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:55,597
>> and you saw he just crashed, dude.

1294
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,957
>> He's crazy. >> You literally have to
sign a waiver where you [__] hang out with

1295
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,317
Strickland [__] from now on.
I'm like, bro, like like

1296
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,557
>> Yeah, he just crashed hard.
His buddy got really

1297
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:08,557
>> That's the guy from Embedded. Uh uh
Chris. Yeah. Yeah. He he he's [__] uh

1298
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,517
>> Yeah. Don't do that. Don't do what he
does. And I think he just wasn't wearing

1299
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,237
a helmet, right? >> No,
I don't think they were.

1300
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,997
>> Thank god I wore one cuz they He
Strickland, ironically though, he's the

1301
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,437
one that told me not to ride the dirt
bike. He did tell me. He's like,

1302
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:22,957
>> "Do as I say, not as I do."

1303
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,837
>> Yeah. He's like He's like, "You got
a fight coming up. You probably shouldn't

1304
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,077
do that." Man, [__] you.
You can't tell me to do that.

1305
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:29,757
>> Sean's crazy. >> He's like,
"But put a helmet on." I'm

1306
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,317
like, "All right, I'll put the helmet on."
And thank God I did. Yeah.

1307
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,357
>> Sean is legitimately [__] crazy.

1308
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:38,877
>> So, what was this? Is this a car that
flipped over? Yeah, I think they had like

1309
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,477
>> Were they in a side by side?

1310
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,957
>> Yeah. >> Oh, okay.
They're in They're in like a

1311
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:47,677
buggy. >> Yeah. Don't Don't do Is it

1312
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,677
>> Strickland is the [__] man cuz like
as much I used to [__] hate this dude

1313
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,557
when he used to come to the gym at Ruka.

1314
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,877
I used to hate him. That was right right

1315
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:02,237
after the Usman fight and he crashed his
motorcycle and um this guy he would he

1316
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:06,157
would come in and his leg was all
[__] busted up like and like he he

1317
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,757
refused to take [__] pain meds.
He was just always talking [__] and he

1318
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,437
would [__] me up. That's why another I

1319
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:16,957
was he was always [__] me up and um
and and and going through that I was

1320
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,237
just like man like this dude's at least
he's [__] real you know like like

1321
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,317
>> oh he's very real. He like he he like
he calls out everybody, you know, like cuz

1322
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,037
he used to talk [__] about all
the [__] Palestinian [__] and then he

1323
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,397
started talking about the Israeli
[__] and then he's [__] he was proTrump

1324
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:34,717
and then he was like anti-Trump and is
like um he speaks his mind, but another

1325
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,077
part I think he does is rage bait just
a little bit. Like he knows how to push

1326
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,557
people's buttons, you know? He knows
how to get the clicks. He's a smart

1327
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,117
[__] Like he makes his
investments like >> Oh yeah.

1328
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,957
>> Like this dude [__] just has
guns, cars, motorcycles, and [__]

1329
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:48,557
>> He's very smart with his investment.

1330
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,117
He's set. Like he he we told me about

1331
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,677
it. I asked him about it. He's like he
put away his money. He's invested mutual

1332
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,557
funds. The whole deal.
>> He called me after the fight. Yeah.

1333
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,317
>> Did he? >> Yeah. Yeah.
He's like, "I knew you're

1334
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,877
going to be on some dumb shit."
He's like, "Don't you [__] walk." He's

1335
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,077
like, "This is this is when you get
the [__] money. This is when you get to

1336
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:10,157
[__] the [__] This is when you get
to [__] He's like, "This is when all

1337
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:15,357
the opportunity comes." And I was like,
"Yeah, but does he does it? I don't

1338
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:19,117
know." You know? >> Well,
it's your decision. It's really

1339
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,637
you can't let anybody decide for you
because if you you do something for

1340
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,397
someone else, especially something
like fighting and you wound up getting

1341
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:29,837
knocked out in your next fight and you
were half into it and half out of it.

1342
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,197
>> Yeah. >> You know,
my advice for anyone who's

1343
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,157
always got one foot
in and one foot out is get out.

1344
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,517
>> Always. Every time I know a guy that's
like, I think one more fight and then

1345
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,437
I'm done, like stop now. >> Yeah.

1346
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,757
>> Stop now. Like most most most of the
time that's the best advice because if

1347
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,397
you're not fully completely 100%

1348
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:53,117
committed to being the best fighter
possible and like on that path you're

1349
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:57,837
going to run into someone who is >> right
>> you know now you can you can Brendon sh

1350
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,277
me here like when you look at me like
do you really think I could be a world

1351
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,317
champion? Listen, if you can do what you

1352
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,357
just did against Gable and then do that

1353
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:11,757
again against someone else similar like
what if you did that to Tai to Iasa or

1354
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,277
what if you did that to you know fill in
the blank whoever the fighter is >> right

1355
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,077
>> Pavlov there's a lot of different guys

1356
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,557
who are really good and if you can keep

1357
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,277
improving and keep beating these guys in

1358
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,157
that direction and then get a legitimate

1359
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,877
coach like maybe even Trevor get Trevor

1360
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:33,437
Whitman or get Farasa Hobby who I think
is one of the great masterminds of the

1361
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,197
sport. Get someone who's going to like
work with you on technique and really

1362
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,117
try to develop you as a fighter
as opposed to just you sparring all the

1363
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,197
time and you training all the time and

1364
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:48,237
you do you can learn a lot sparring all
the time, but you don't learn the same

1365
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,837
amount that you would if you're coached
and if you're coached correctly, like on

1366
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,477
a day in day out, daily basis. Like,

1367
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,197
have you seen the uh the Art of Violence

1368
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,197
videos that Justin puts out with Trevor?

1369
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,757
>> Yeah. Tre Trevor and and Justin are

1370
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,837
right next to each other all the time.

1371
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:08,797
Trevor, who's a genius, is like giving
him instruction. Yes, that's it. We want

1372
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,237
to dip to the left. There it is.
There it is. Okay, let's do that again. Do

1373
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,277
that again. Set it up. They're setting
it up. They're they're technical.

1374
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,117
They're going over all the aspects.

1375
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:21,037
They're rolling with punches and they
have counters set up. They're doing the

1376
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,837
collar tie and the uppercut. They're all
these things that they're preparing for

1377
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,677
for these moments and they're going
over it over and over again. until it's

1378
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,597
cemented into his central nervous system.
That's what you need. If you

1379
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,597
want to really excel and you want
to really be like a world class, world

1380
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:41,917
championship potential caliber fighter,
you have to have that. You have to have

1381
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,557
that. >> I agree.
And that was my that was always

1382
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,477
my issue was like I was really
trying to find that. But

1383
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,157
>> well, Eric Nix was in your corner.

1384
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,757
>> Yeah. Well, I I I didn't even get
to talk about that. [__] Nick popped in

1385
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,837
my corner because Sergey was supposed
to have his his his baby and he left. I

1386
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:57,917
woke up fight day the day of the fight.

1387
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,717
Oh, he's like, "Hey, it was like 2 in
the morning." He's like, "Okay, I had to

1388
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,637
go back to Vegas. My wife my wife might

1389
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:07,837
be going into labor." And I was like,
"All right, [__] uh this is like

1390
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,677
definitely worst case scenario."
And that's when I I knew I knew Nick was

1391
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:15,917
there. And uh Nick's a [__] amazing guy.
Like he [__] he he worked with

1392
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,357
me when I was in in Extreme when I first
came out. He walked with me for my first

1393
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:22,717
fight. And uh I just get he's like super
busy, you know? Like he's got so many

1394
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,837
fighters, you know, and especially I was
just I just showed up at the gym. That's

1395
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,317
my thing is like I've always just
showed up at the gym and I was like, "All

1396
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,997
right, [__] let's [__] spar, you know,
and then like people like who's

1397
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,317
this guy?" You know, they maybe get like
a little attention, but at the end of

1398
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,717
the day like no to sit
and develop with you.

1399
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,517
>> Um the way you're talking
about like traveling and stuff and

1400
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,557
>> Well, Eric can certainly do that,
you know, and you're training in Vegas all

1401
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,957
the time. And now you guys have like an
understanding like he he came and showed

1402
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,957
up. He shocked the world.
>> He he [__] came cuz he I literally

1403
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,877
just texted him.
He's like, "Got you, homie."

1404
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,437
>> He's a great human being. >> Yeah.
And I really like we were in the

1405
01:17:55,520 --> 01:18:00,077
back. He the way he he communicated and
like was like like he was breaking [__]

1406
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:04,317
down like he's like very analytical with
it and that that that was very good for

1407
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,677
me. And like and then people are like,
"Oh, he well he didn't fight." And I'm

1408
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:11,437
like, "Well, [__] like why does that
matter if he's a he's he's a good coach

1409
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,397
and he's [__] effectively communicating
all these things, you know?"

1410
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:19,037
>> Yeah. This idea that you have to be
a fighter to be a great coach. I I

1411
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,557
understand why people say that cuz
I think there are some elements of

1412
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,597
competition that you really won't
understand unless you've been hit,

1413
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,037
unless you've hit someone, unless you've

1414
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,357
been in there, unless you've done but I

1415
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:33,197
also think you can't you can't dismiss

1416
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:37,197
special people and there are special
people that analyze things and have an

1417
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:41,597
understanding of things like here's
a perfect example. John Donaher

1418
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:43,837
wildly considered widely considered to

1419
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,317
be the greatest jiu-jitsu coach ever.

1420
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,277
>> Yeah. didn't didn't compete. Doesn't

1421
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,997
matter. Like he understands jiu-jitsu at

1422
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,637
the most comprehensive and most

1423
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:59,837
analytical way humanly possible. He
literally trains and teaches or at least

1424
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:02,637
doesn't train anymore. He's so he's
had so many injuries like two hip

1425
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,637
replacements, knee replacement.
He's all [__] up.

1426
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,877
>> Yeah. >> But which
is why what kept him from

1427
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,437
competing, but his dedication to

1428
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,917
coaching is unparalleled. He's in there
seven days a week. He's like constantly

1429
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,597
training these guys. And look what he's
achieved. Guys like Gordon Ryan, Gary

1430
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:21,197
Ton, Craig Jones, all these guys who
came out of there, Nicki Rod, they all

1431
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,277
will tell you >> Craig
Jones was going crazy for my

1432
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:27,517
fight. You he was just he was just
making all these posts and he's like,

1433
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,997
"Oh, he had turf toe
or something like that." He's

1434
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:34,077
>> hilarious. He's the funniest guy
in jiu-jitsu by far. He's so funny.

1435
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:37,437
>> He invited me. He was telling me like,
"Hey, we could do some something like a

1436
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:38,797
I think he said he's playing on going

1437
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,237
over to to Israel, Palestine, and like

1438
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:46,477
doing some kind of B team
thing over there." So,

1439
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,197
I've never met him,
but he [__] extended that.

1440
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:50,957
>> So, what would you do over there?

1441
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:55,277
>> No, I think he maybe he was doing
like a a seminar or something like that.

1442
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,157
>> Are we I don't want to Are
we allowed to talk about this?

1443
01:19:58,240 --> 01:19:59,517
>> You could talk about anything you want.

1444
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,757
>> Yeah. >> How do you feel
about the genocide there

1445
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,637
that's going on with all
the like the women?

1446
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,997
>> I'm very open about it. I think it's
horrific. I think it's it's terrifying

1447
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,357
that people will dismiss it and they
here's the thing that they do. They use

1448
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:15,917
different terms, right? They say
it doesn't technically qualify as a

1449
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:20,077
genocide because it's not a specific
targeting of one race or one type of

1450
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,917
people. Like, okay, >> let's
stop with that word. Let's say a

1451
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,637
horrific injustice against humanity.

1452
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,117
Let's let's let's talk about the the how

1453
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:33,997
many thousands and tens of thousands
of women and children have been destroyed

1454
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:38,317
by missiles from the sky. How many
buildings are gone? Like only 90% of

1455
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,797
Gaza is gone. Like there's no way you

1456
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,517
can look at that and not say it's a a

1457
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,717
horrific incident. Like whatever it is

1458
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,637
called whatever name it is, it's a

1459
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,477
horror. It's a it's it's one of the most

1460
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,237
it's you look at the video footage
of Gaza, it's [__] terrifying. There's

1461
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,677
humans that are just under that rubble
that they're never going to find.

1462
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,997
>> No. And all the amputations are
happening without anesthesia. you're

1463
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:08,077
seeing the the kids like like that's
my biggest thing is like in in Iraq and

1464
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,237
Afghanistan there's rules of engagement.

1465
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,957
Like you had to look a [__] in the
eyes before you killed them. Like

1466
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:16,957
you had to go into a a booby trap
building knowing that the enemy was in

1467
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,957
there with a [__] suicide bomber
vest or a grenade and [__] go in there

1468
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,997
regardless. And it's like these guys
just got a little drone and boop.

1469
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:28,397
>> Yeah. Just took out 100 people
and missiles and and and it's and it's all

1470
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:32,317
funded by the United States. And it
was funded, you know, as as so much as

1471
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,397
people hate this Iran war and I hate it,

1472
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:39,597
the the Biden administration funded
that when it was going on with Israel.

1473
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,037
>> How do we make changes, Joe? Because
like you see so many people try to stand

1474
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:47,277
up like Mmore and like [__] cancelled
and like you're seeing like so many

1475
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:51,117
people trying to like call out like
with the Epstein files and [__] like bro

1476
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:55,437
like it's [__] like it's is clear as day
you know like that that there's all

1477
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:59,597
these people complicit but like nobody's
being prosecuted, nobody's being like

1478
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,997
>> right >> charged.
the the Mackmore thing is

1479
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,877
really crazy because if you ever let's

1480
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,917
play his actual speech, find his actual

1481
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,477
speech because people were saying that

1482
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:15,437
it's anti-semitic. It there's
nothing about what he's saying that's

1483
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,437
anti-Semitic. If you listen to the

1484
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,517
entirety of the speech, he is I I'll

1485
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,837
I'll play it before we comment on it
because I think there's a real problem

1486
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,997
now with clips and narratives where
people hear a piece of something and

1487
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:34,317
then they make a they they have the you
know, oh, you can't say that or oh, this

1488
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:35,757
he's doing this or oh, he's doing that.

1489
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,957
Like, everyone's losing nuance. What

1490
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,757
he's doing is talking about what to most

1491
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:46,717
people seems like a crime against
humanity. That's what most people look

1492
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,797
at it and that's how they see it.
And what he's saying is in no way and I

1493
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:55,437
don't like I don't like that term
seemetic either because like the

1494
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,637
Palestinians a lot of those
Palestinians are Semites. Yeah.

1495
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,237
>> And a lot of those Palestinians
are truly descendants of people that

1496
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,477
probably were Jewish at one point in

1497
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,957
time and converted to Islam. This is not

1498
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,517
an anti-Semitic thing because a lot of

1499
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,957
the people that live in Israel are Jews

1500
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:16,957
from um Eastern Europe.
Like they're not even from that place.

1501
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,477
>> And there's a lot of Jews that are
like against the genocide as well.

1502
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,757
>> A lot of Jews. But let's hear what he's
saying. Let's hear what he's saying so

1503
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,117
we can >> say this all day.
One of the reasons why

1504
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,357
I wanted to come on this tour was

1505
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:32,557
because I wanted to stand up here

1506
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:36,557
on stages and stadiums across America

1507
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:40,157
and say two words that are very near and

1508
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:46,360
dear to my heart. Free Palestine.

1509
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:55,400
I said free Palestine.

1510
01:23:57,440 --> 01:24:00,557
I want those words to be loud and clear

1511
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,117
so the people from Gaza all the way to

1512
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:07,037
the occupied West Bank know that we have

1513
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:11,037
not forgotten them. And this next song

1514
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,197
was inspired

1515
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:17,197
by the bravery of Columbia University

1516
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,237
students who led an encampment movement

1517
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:25,517
that mobilized the entire world, open
up hearts, myself included. So, thank you

1518
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:29,037
to those students that risked their
diplomas, that risk their tuition, that

1519
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,957
risk their scholarships, that stood up

1520
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,717
and said no. CUAD students, Students for

1521
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,597
Justice and Palestine and Jewish Voices

1522
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,557
for Peace. Thank you guys to all of my

1523
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:44,637
Jewish brothers and sisters. Criticism

1524
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:48,637
of Israel, criticism of apartheid, being

1525
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:55,720
against genocide in no
way is a criticism of you.

1526
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,197
My message is for peace, love, for all

1527
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,917
human beings to be treated with dignity,

1528
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,437
respect, and equality. So I say free

1529
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,797
Palestine. I say free Lebanon. I say

1530
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,957
free Cuba. I say free Congo. Free Sudan.

1531
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,997
Free all people in America living in

1532
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:21,640
fear over this terrorist organization ICE.

1533
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,357
None of us will be free until we are all

1534
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:30,797
free. This song is called Hensall.

1535
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:35,837
>> Okay. So, you hear what he said about
Jewish people, my Jewish brothers and

1536
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:40,157
sisters. Like, this is clear.
This is not an anti-Jewish message.

1537
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:43,917
>> It's he's talking about the war.
He's talking about what happened to Gaza.

1538
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,277
>> Yeah. It's just those that the
free Palestine. You can't say that.

1539
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,237
>> That's crazy. >> That was like
during Black Lives Matter,

1540
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:53,277
you used to not be able
to say all lives matter.

1541
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:56,077
>> Yeah. >> Like guys got fired
because they said all lives matter.

1542
01:25:56,160 --> 01:26:00,237
>> Yeah. >> Yeah.
It's um it's a very we're in a

1543
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:04,717
very strange time in our society where
people are resistant to this idea that

1544
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,637
something wrong is going on there. And I

1545
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:11,917
think history will show that when
when people look back on it, they'll be

1546
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,157
horrified. >> Well,
that's what's scary right now is

1547
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,757
like everyone knows like we're all
kind of bought. Like everyone's kind of

1548
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:21,277
corrupt at this point. Like everyone
knows like the the media, the government

1549
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:25,997
like like the whole co thing with like
Fouchi pleading the fifth and a pardon.

1550
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:29,997
Like it's like we've been lied to like
over and over and and like the American

1551
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,917
people are pissed. Like cuz I made
a video a few videos that were going viral

1552
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,677
even before this fight that I was just
talking about the how they were

1553
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:43,037
integrating the military with with a
foreign nation and and and how like like

1554
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,757
people are scared to even say America
first. Like you see those videos where

1555
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,757
they go up to these politicians like hey

1556
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,837
uh America first and or Israel first and

1557
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:55,997
like [__] like [__] Well, Israel
has done an amazing job of embedding

1558
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:57,917
themselves with all these politicians.

1559
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,797
You see, when they were when Mam Donnie
was running for mayor, and I think this

1560
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:04,157
is one of the reasons, one of the main
reasons why he won in New York City, he

1561
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,757
was the only guy that said he
wasn't going to go visit Israel.

1562
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,317
>> They were all like, I'm going to be the
for what, what's the first thing you're

1563
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:11,597
going to do? I'm going to Disneyland.

1564
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,757
No, they were all like,
I'm going to go to Israel.

1565
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,637
>> How does all of Congress
have dual citizenship?

1566
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,997
>> Well, it's not all of Congress. That's
not true. That's like some Tik Tok is it

1567
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:23,037
>> facts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It's not the whole >> APEC.

1568
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:27,277
>> Well, it's there's there's some members
of Congress have dual citizenship. I

1569
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,277
don't know how many. We could find out
now. Um but the thing is about how many

1570
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,917
of them have been funded. That's where

1571
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,357
it gets weird, you know, and how much uh

1572
01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:41,037
how much funding is going on with these
politicians. That's where things get

1573
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,957
weird. Like Kurt M.
>> What about that congressman that's like

1574
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,597
like a basically a vegetable
that they're like wheeling around?

1575
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:52,320
>> Oh yeah. McConnell.
>> What the [__] is going on, man?

1576
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,117
Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. I'm

1577
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:59,597
gonna find this this There's this one
thing that uh Mezer sent me that he was

1578
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:03,437
like, I thought this was fake and it's
not. And it it seems fake. It's one of

1579
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:04,557
those ones where you see it, you're

1580
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:08,397
like, wait, what is this? This is uh uh

1581
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:13,037
James Lee had it on his uh Instagram page.
Jamie, if you could find it before

1582
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:16,877
me. Jamie's always so good at finding
[__] before I could even pull it up. But

1583
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:20,237
here, I'll send it to you. >> Yeah.
been watching it happen for years and now

1584
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,597
>> um this is uh

1585
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:27,037
banned documentary reveals pro-Israel

1586
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,517
curriculum taught in American schools.

1587
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,117
So this is uh this is weird. This is not

1588
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,757
just pro-Israel. This was this is weird.

1589
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:40,797
Like this guy's talking and you're like
this is in America someone's saying this

1590
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:44,157
for real. >> Something just got
passed in Texas like this too.

1591
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:47,117
>> Yeah. >> There's a lot
of dirty people out there.

1592
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:53,160
A lot of people taking
that money. Watch this.

1593
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,557
>> A new curriculum
requiring public school

1594
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:00,557
students to study Israel's history. And
here's a little preview of what they're

1595
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:02,317
about to teach. Take a listen.

1596
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,357
>> Israel, their people, the Jews, are

1597
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:07,997
better than all of us. They're better

1598
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,237
than all of us. And you need to accept

1599
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,997
that. This is where with the kids where

1600
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:18,557
we start our indoctrination.
>> This is real.

1601
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,157
>> I know that's a strong word to use

1602
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,437
indoctrination that it uh you know it

1603
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,317
gets such a bad reputation

1604
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:29,677
but that's where it starts. Um that's

1605
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,837
where it started with me when I was a

1606
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,237
child that I was taught about uh the

1607
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:39,800
support that the church owes to Israel.

1608
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:44,717
So all your loose change that you have

1609
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,677
from home, you bring that change to

1610
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,117
school. Everything that we get, we will

1611
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:56,397
actually cash it in and make a check
out to the Fellowship for Christians and

1612
01:29:56,480 --> 01:29:58,637
Jews. >> And anybody
that's ever been to our

1613
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:00,877
church would know there's a spiritual

1614
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,677
obligation of a Christian to Israel.

1615
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:06,557
>> God gave a promise in Genesis 12. And

1616
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:10,717
I'm going to bless all of those that bless
you. And I'm going to curse all of

1617
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:15,117
them that curse you. Every nation
that has blessed Israel, God has blessed

1618
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:20,237
them. And every nation that has opposed
Israel, God has been in opposition to

1619
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,037
them. >> Cesar,
if you read the actual text,

1620
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,037
>> we get it.

1621
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:28,317
Okay. No one's better than you. That's

1622
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:32,877
crazy. This they are better than you
is crazy. Now, obviously, this is this one

1623
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:37,757
guy's position and that preacher
preaching. The Bible is very much open

1624
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,357
to interpretation by a lot of people.

1625
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:43,357
There's a lot of different versions
of what it's actually saying that people

1626
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:47,277
will preach on stage. And that guy
is just he's not indicative of all

1627
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,077
Christians and this is not indicative of

1628
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:54,557
all people that you know that that that
think we should support Israel either.

1629
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:58,957
But this idea that they are better than
you, that anybody's teaching that any

1630
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,477
human being is better than
other human beings is crazy.

1631
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,917
>> But it's in the it's in the Talmud,
right? They talk about we're all goyam

1632
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,957
cattle and like go.

1633
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:10,557
>> Yeah, I did.
I've never read the Talmud,

1634
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,437
but I haveve I have heard that before.

1635
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,637
Not just that, but like isn't there
one that like Jesus is like boiling in

1636
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:19,437
excrement or something?
>> Like does like they're very it's very

1637
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:23,357
anti-Christian. You look I'm not going
to sit here and act like I'm the expert.

1638
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:26,477
My my main thing is just like at least
stop killing the women and children. Can

1639
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,997
we just start start there? You know,
like like that's that's that's that's

1640
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:33,037
what's crazy to me is like, >> well,
this mindset is insane. This this

1641
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,237
mindset that they're better than us,
that they're better than you is insane.

1642
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:40,077
That's insane. Teaching that to a child
is insane. No one's better than anybody.

1643
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:43,757
The the mindset should be we are all
God's children. We're all human beings

1644
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,437
and we should treat each other all with

1645
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:47,837
dignity and respect and love. Period.

1646
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,757
All of us. And the idea that you you

1647
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:55,517
could tell people like young kids no
matter what like someone's better than

1648
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:59,437
you. They're better than you. They're
better than us because of what? Because

1649
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,237
of a book. Like what are you saying?

1650
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:03,837
>> Yeah. >> Like what
the [__] are you saying? Why?

1651
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,997
And why are you saying it?
>> You know, >> crazy times.

1652
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,557
>> I don't know how this all gets sorted

1653
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,757
out, man. And I don't know,

1654
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:18,077
you know, like that Mackmore
thing, like what he said was

1655
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,237
pretty [__] reasonable, you know?

1656
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:23,037
>> Yeah. >> I mean,
the terrorist organization, ICE,

1657
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,597
I don't think ICE is a terrorist
organization. I think they have a

1658
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:27,677
terrible job. And I think they're also

1659
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,877
like very poorly funded and not only not

1660
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,877
not funded, rather, trained, very poorly
trained, very quickly trained. Not only

1661
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,317
that, they're there's a bunch of them
that they hired that they had to do

1662
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,517
background checks on and then once they
did the background checks, now they're

1663
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,397
trying to kick them out of ICE and they
want their money back. So, you get like

1664
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:49,597
a big signing bonus. So, when you
sign up for ICE, you get like $50,000,

1665
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:51,837
>> which is why a lot
of people are signing up.

1666
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:55,037
>> You know, your guy's in debt. If you're
in debt and all of a sudden come someone

1667
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:58,637
comes along and says, "I'm going to give
you $50,000 as a signing bonus." Like,

1668
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:02,557
holy [__] There's not a thing in life
that you can imagine that'll give you

1669
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:05,837
$50,000. So now you start working for ICE
and then they do a background check

1670
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,877
on they finally like, oh, you're not
qualified to be here at all. In fact, we

1671
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:12,477
got to take the money back. So now you
owe them the money. So now they're going

1672
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:14,877
to dock your pay from future jobs

1673
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:19,757
wherever you're working because ICE
gave you a check for $50,000. The real

1674
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,477
problem is that they have to do it
in the first place because the Democrats

1675
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:27,597
let the [__] border be wide open
for four years so they could bring in at

1676
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:32,637
least who knows the number, but it's
at least 10 million people undocumented

1677
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:36,877
from all over the world. And they
invited them in, you know, and why are

1678
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:40,717
they doing that? Well, I don't know,
but a lot of people believe it was because

1679
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,557
they could move them to places and rig

1680
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,277
the census. So, the way the census

1681
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,957
works, they're not counting um citizens,

1682
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:52,557
they're counting bodies, they're
counting human beings. So, if you have

1683
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,717
more human beings that live in your town,
and some of them are illegal

1684
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:01,597
aliens, you get more congressional seats.
And that's that's what they're

1685
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:05,197
doing. Like, that was the idea behind it.
According to Elon, according to a

1686
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,197
lot of people that make a lot of sense.

1687
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:11,037
There's some reason why they had the
border wide open. Some people think it's

1688
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:15,357
for cheap labor. Some people think
it's the construction companies and meat

1689
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:18,157
packing companies and all these
different companies wanted undocumented

1690
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:19,517
people because they could pay them less.

1691
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:23,517
There's an argument for that, too. But
the bottom line is that shouldn't be the

1692
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:27,517
case. Like people should be able to
immigrant to America, but not if they're

1693
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,237
[__] terrorists, not if they're
criminals, not if they're cartel

1694
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:33,997
members. We should know who's coming
in because we don't want this place to be

1695
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:38,477
less safe. >> Yeah. >> You know,
so then how do you do how do

1696
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,837
you deal with all the people that got
in that are illegal? Well, that's when it

1697
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:44,957
gets very [__] complicated because
you only have four years to do it. And

1698
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:49,837
if the Democrats win in 2028, then guess
what? All this stuff goes away and maybe

1699
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,477
they open up the borders again.
I mean, I don't know.

1700
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,517
>> Well, I I was going to ask how you feel
about the flock cameras because I feel

1701
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,397
like that goes hand in hand
with all the surveillance and stuff.

1702
01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:01,117
>> Well, you know what, man? Um, the flock

1703
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:05,757
cameras, first of all, there have been
a lot of people that had access to the

1704
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,357
flock cameras that are not supposed to

1705
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:09,677
have access to the flock cameras. Cops

1706
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,957
have used them to uh stalk people and

1707
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:18,317
track their exes. There's been a ton
of lawsuits. People have taken down flock

1708
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:19,837
cameras.

1709
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:23,997
I I'm not educated enough on it,

1710
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:28,557
informed enough on it to make a an
absolute decision, but I don't like the

1711
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,637
idea of [__] cameras everywhere

1712
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,037
watching everything you do constantly.

1713
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:37,597
And if that's our only solution
to crime, is it that really our only

1714
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:39,757
solution to crime? It's not better

1715
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,797
trained, better paid, more ethical

1716
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:46,397
police officers, better education, uh

1717
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:50,717
better access to health care
and education in poor neighborhoods that

1718
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:54,797
creates less crime. Like there's other
ways of dealing with this instead of a

1719
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:58,317
[__] eye in the sky that watches
everything you do all day long that has

1720
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,237
been shown, at least in certain

1721
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,877
circumstances, to be abused by people.

1722
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:07,917
It's been shown to be how many different

1723
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,957
officers and different people

1724
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:14,317
came to that have used them. There's a

1725
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,717
there's a a bunch of different cases.

1726
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,357
>> Yeah. That's scary
cuz like I I remember

1727
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:22,877
I used to see like what's going what was
happening in China and like I was like I

1728
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,437
was like oh the [__] they got
a surveillance state over there and then

1729
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:30,477
I'm like looking around here and I'm
like >> wait a minute like Palunteer [__]

1730
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:34,317
flock cameras [__] like >> well
that's where they von brought that

1731
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:37,197
up to me on the podcast. I didn't even
know they were doing it like in Gaza

1732
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:40,397
they're using face
recognition from Palunteer.

1733
01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:45,277
>> So I what how do they do that? Is
that with satellites? Is that with drones?

1734
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,277
It's like what are they
how are they doing that?

1735
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:51,757
>> I I I don't have the specifics. I don't
want to misspeak but I think it's it's

1736
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,997
all of it. I think they could see an ant

1737
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,557
from a satellite [__] like the

1738
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:01,517
technology is is is is crazy.
>> The real problem is like the Benjamin

1739
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:05,677
Franklin quote for people that are
willing to give up liberty for security

1740
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:06,717
deserve neither.

1741
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,757
>> Yes. You know, and it's like when you

1742
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:13,837
give enormous corporations the power to

1743
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:17,517
to monitor everywhere you go, everything

1744
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,397
you do, you're going to self censor.

1745
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:23,677
You're going to you're going to watch
yourself. You're going to feel like the

1746
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:27,837
eye in the sky, the [__] the great
eye of Sauron is looking at you

1747
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:31,357
everywhere you go. >> That's
not what we want. We don't Is

1748
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:33,997
that the only solution to lessen crime?

1749
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:37,917
That seems crazy. It seems crazy.

1750
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:41,037
So Mark Andre, who I think he has some

1751
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:44,637
investment in um in um the flock

1752
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:49,117
cameras, when he was on the podcast last,
he was making an argument for it

1753
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:51,037
based on there was some shootings that

1754
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:54,157
happened in Austin. So some young guys

1755
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:59,837
uh just were psychos just randomly
shot people and and were driving around

1756
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:01,997
>> here in Austin. >> Yeah,
in Austin. And they couldn't find

1757
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:06,157
them because Austin doesn't allow flock
cameras. So the moment these guys left

1758
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:09,677
Austin limits, the flock cameras
picked them up and they arrested him.

1759
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:13,757
>> [__] like Austin more just
by hearing that they don't allow flock.

1760
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:15,757
>> But you know, he would say, "Hey, look,

1761
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:17,917
this is the way we catch psychos." And

1762
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,877
that's true, too. But at what cost? Is

1763
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:26,237
it the only way that we can the only
way that we can catch psychos

1764
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:29,197
is by having an eye in the sky
that watches everything you do? Are you

1765
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:33,917
willing to give that up in order
to stop the random psychos?

1766
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:37,357
>> I think I think it starts with actually
like serious punishment. Like they need

1767
01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:39,197
to bring back [__] the firing squad

1768
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:44,877
and [__] public hangings.
[__] are probably stop doing it

1769
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:47,597
if they see, you know. >> Okay.
What is this? Palunteer released

1770
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:51,597
new surveillance system that fuses
satellites, radars, and every camera

1771
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:55,437
into one realtime tracker
of people and movement.

1772
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:59,757
>> What? >> This is a demo they're giving
like at a says, "We have to consider the

1773
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,077
possibility probability question mark uh

1774
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:05,837
that with flock as the eyes, a system

1775
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:09,277
like this could be overlaid onto the US

1776
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:11,917
and we could be targets." Another reason

1777
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,757
why we cannot allow flock to exist.

1778
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,877
>> It's showing for people who are
listening, it's showing a real time

1779
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:20,957
satellite system that I was even on

1780
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:22,397
their website, they got this thing

1781
01:39:22,480 --> 01:39:25,917
called uh meta

1782
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,557
surveillance or something. the Twitter

1783
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:33,277
account Orwell Day with a big eyeball.

1784
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:34,957
>> It's [__]

1785
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:40,477
And here's the question. Who has access
to this? Like we've seen with the flock

1786
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:43,117
cameras, like see if you can find some
stories. I know there's been a bunch of

1787
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:45,917
stories. >> If you just
type in flock camera abuse,

1788
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:48,317
you'll pick a state kind of right now.

1789
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,157
>> Okay, we'll put pull pull some of that

1790
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:52,957
up so just we can see it.

1791
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:58,397
How? So, how did these people that were
just cops tracking their exes and

1792
01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:01,997
stalking people? How did they have
access to this? Is it that loosey goosey

1793
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:05,997
that anyone can have access
to this >> [__] insane technology?

1794
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:07,837
>> Google different
stories in multiple cities.

1795
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:10,397
>> Detective uh Franklin County detective

1796
01:40:10,480 --> 01:40:15,037
fired for misuse of flock cameras. Fired
after using the system to track every

1797
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:17,197
movement of a single private citizen.

1798
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:19,357
And here's another one. Flock camera.

1799
01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:24,157
Uh, alleged misuse led to North Carolina
deputy being fired. Suspension of the

1800
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:27,517
system in Franklin County. That's
still Franklin County. Also, here in

1801
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:32,397
Indianapolis, five officers charged
with flock misuse. One allegedly tracked

1802
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:35,757
women to interact with them.
I >> think one guy did it 500 times or

1803
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,317
something in Florida,
tracking his ex-wife or something.

1804
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,957
>> So, if you have this kind of insane

1805
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:43,117
technology and you say, "Okay, well, we

1806
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:45,517
need it in order to track terrorists."

1807
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:50,317
Okay. Well, then the use of that
should be incredibly restricted.

1808
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:53,197
>> Top secret. >> It shouldn't
be just a sheriff can go

1809
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:55,197
find chicks he wants a [__] That's

1810
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:58,637
crazy. That's crazy. So, if you're going

1811
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:02,957
to have this kind of insane power,
this like giving everyone in the world a

1812
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:06,157
nuke. Like, we'll give everyone access
to it. Like, no, you can't have that cuz

1813
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:07,357
some people are going to blow up nukes.

1814
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:10,077
You can't have everyone have
access to this kind of [__] insane

1815
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:12,237
surveillance. It's nuts. It should be

1816
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:14,397
incredibly restricted. And it's

1817
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:17,117
obviously it wasn't, which is scary. So

1818
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,277
it's like you have this unbelievably

1819
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:21,517
pervasive technology that

1820
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,157
>> in theory could prevent terrorist

1821
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:26,957
attacks and solve crimes and catch

1822
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:31,757
people, but it's not it's not doesn't
seem like it's used that way. It seems

1823
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,957
like it's used in a lot
of ways that are inappropriate.

1824
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,997
>> And how did it get everywhere?
Did we vote on this?

1825
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:41,117
>> That's that's what I was like, how do
we stop it? Like it's it's just it's just

1826
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:44,717
happening. And it's like it was like what?
Well, they are passing laws

1827
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:47,837
people. There's are there are towns that
are passing laws banning flock cameras

1828
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:51,197
and there are people that are like
citizen vigilantes that are removing

1829
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:54,557
flock cameras, >> you know,
>> because a crime to take it down, right?

1830
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:57,837
Like arrested. >> It scares
me the same way a lot of this

1831
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:01,997
technology scares me because you're
putting it in the hands of a few people

1832
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:06,557
that, you know, who knows what their
ideology is, who knows what their their

1833
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:08,877
viewpoint is, but they have massive

1834
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:11,597
power. And this is the case with a lot

1835
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:16,157
of tech companies. They have massive
amounts of power and they didn't get

1836
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:19,277
voted in. They're not they're not there
for the will of the people. They're for

1837
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:24,237
their own self-interests and they also
can manipulate elections. Like I've had

1838
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:27,917
this guy Robert Epstein on who talks
about Google searches and internet

1839
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:33,037
searches about how internet searches are
curated. So like let's let's just forget

1840
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:37,437
about like problematic people or people
like let's pretend two two candidates

1841
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,917
that you don't know are running for uh

1842
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:45,197
an office. So, like, say, let's say
it's you and me. So, Sean's running for a

1843
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:48,397
congressional seat and I'm running for a
congressional seat. You put in your name

1844
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:51,757
in uh Google and it says horrible things

1845
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,157
about you. It says all the times that

1846
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:56,317
people have accused you of this and that

1847
01:42:56,400 --> 01:43:00,237
and racism and corruption and but then

1848
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:04,477
you put in me and it says wonderful
things. I'm helping out the community.

1849
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:09,037
I'm doing these things. I promote
democracy. I'm here for education. I I

1850
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:12,877
want women's rights to choose. I want
all these different and it puts those at

1851
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:15,117
the head of the search. So for the

1852
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,437
casual person that Googles these two

1853
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:20,717
candidates, they decide who gets

1854
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:25,117
positive stories in the forefront
and who gets negative stories. And they've

1855
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:27,357
shown that particularly with people on

1856
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:29,837
the fence that are undecided voters, you

1857
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:33,037
can shift that an enormous percentage.

1858
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:37,357
And Robert Epste has spent an incredible
amount of time like documenting this and

1859
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:40,717
he's been on the podcast a couple times
talking and other podcasts as well.

1860
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,677
>> Yeah. >> So this is the
problem with having tech

1861
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:48,317
companies have enormous amounts
of power because they can change the way

1862
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:52,077
elections go. They can change the way
people think about people. They can

1863
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:55,837
change narratives in the world
about what's good and what's bad.

1864
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,717
>> What I like that's happening now is all
the changes you're seeing in the food

1865
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:03,197
industry. But I feel like that's because
so many people started like talking

1866
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:08,237
about the dyes and the cereal and all
the like the poisons and like red five and

1867
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:12,317
>> and even that look how much resistance
there is to that. Like RFK Jr. had to

1868
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:14,557
back off the idea of stopping glyphosate.

1869
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:16,237
>> Yeah. What what
what happened with that?

1870
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,597
>> Because they to the the Trump
administration wouldn't allow it because

1871
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:22,317
it would have killed the businesses that

1872
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:25,037
are relying on glyphosate. All these

1873
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:27,117
farms that have been poisoning people.

1874
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:29,677
>> Yeah. So, here's the thing. Other

1875
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:33,197
countries don't use it. Other countries

1876
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:37,517
have said it's poison and they don't
use it. Our country has been using it and

1877
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,077
not just using it just as an herbicide,

1878
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:43,117
but also as a they use it to desiccate.

1879
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:47,037
So, what this means is like when they
get wheat to dry the wheat out, they

1880
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:51,037
spray it with glyphosate. So this is why
a lot of people have problems with wheat

1881
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:53,837
and wheat allergies and we think there's

1882
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:58,957
glyphosate. Like an enormous percentage
of California wines test positive for

1883
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:02,957
glyphosate. >> Yeah.
And an enormous percentage of

1884
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:06,717
people test positive for glyphosate.
And they'll tell you, oh, it's a small

1885
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:09,277
amount. Small amounts. Small amounts.

1886
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:13,277
Small amounts that don't have to be
there at all. Like we don't know what

1887
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:16,077
the overall long-term consequences of

1888
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:21,277
exposure to this stuff are, but we know
that it's terrible for you. GL we that's

1889
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:25,037
a fact. >> And the fact
that we have said the only

1890
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:29,597
way our food systems can operate
financially is to keep poisoning people

1891
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:34,957
is crazy. >> And to have RFK Jr.
sit here and have to tell me that.

1892
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,517
>> And I was like, I thought you were
trying to ban glyphosate. He's like,

1893
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,277
well, we had to give up on that.

1894
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:43,037
>> That's [__] insane. Let let me ask
you this because I think one of the main

1895
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:45,037
reasons why Trump won was because he

1896
01:45:45,120 --> 01:45:50,077
came and and and and you were like all
of us I was [__] really proTrump but

1897
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:53,837
how do you feel now that like we're
seeing like the things aren't panning

1898
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,757
out the way that we were told they were
going to pan out. Well, the no no new

1899
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:00,077
wars thing is the one that [__] a lot

1900
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:03,437
of people. That the no one thought that

1901
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:08,157
we were going to go into this prolonged
war with Iran that who who knows how

1902
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:11,917
long that's going to take and what what
that's for. What's what's the reason why

1903
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,957
we're there in the first place?
And there's some people that say that Iran

1904
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:16,477
was ramping up their missile production.

1905
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:19,517
We had to stop them. But then there's
a lot of other people that know a lot

1906
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:24,637
about nuclear bombs and nuclear weapons
and say not not only is it like insanely

1907
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:27,677
difficult to develop a nuclear weapon,
but they weren't even close to doing it.

1908
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:29,677
>> I feel like you've
been saying for years.

1909
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:32,157
>> I don't like I don't like any of that

1910
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:35,197
[__] I don't like any people being sent

1911
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:39,997
over to a foreign country for a war that
most people don't want. I don't like any

1912
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:43,277
of that. >> Yeah.
Soldiers soldiers are dying.

1913
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:47,917
I I have never been impressed with any
single one individual politician who

1914
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:51,517
comes along and changes everything.
They all say they're going to do something

1915
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:55,997
and they never wind up doing exactly
what they're doing. Obama on his during

1916
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,317
his campaign, it was all uh hope and

1917
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:03,117
change was his whole thing. And in his
campaign website, one of the things

1918
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:06,877
about it was protection
for whistleblowers. Well, the Obama

1919
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:11,117
administration was one of the worst
for whistleblowers. And they removed that

1920
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:14,557
from the website. >> That's like
Snowden and stuff like protect.

1921
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:18,477
>> Exactly. Snowden, Chelsea Manning,
Edward Snowden, all that stuff. It's

1922
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:21,677
like people that find out that like,
hey, there's [__] masscale

1923
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:25,837
surveillance by the NSA that is not
supposed to be legal. Like why why is

1924
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:29,037
this happening? >> And what
happens when you expose that?

1925
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:33,277
Well, you're [__] man. Like Chelsea
Manning went to jail. Edward Snowden,

1926
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,837
he's hiding in Russia. Julian Assange.

1927
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,317
He's, you know, he was under house

1928
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:41,117
arrest forever and he's where is he now?

1929
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:46,317
He's free now, right?
>> No. Uh Julian Assange,

1930
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:49,677
>> but I I don't think he can come to
the United States. I think he comes to the

1931
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,357
United States, they'll arrest him. Why?

1932
01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:54,077
Because Wikileaks because he exposed

1933
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:59,357
that um where where it was um I think
the video was called Collateral Murder.

1934
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:00,237
Do you know the video?

1935
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:04,717
>> No, I don't. So the video was um it was

1936
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,437
uh US

1937
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:11,437
military attacking journalists. So they

1938
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:13,517
these journalists had these telephoto

1939
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:16,557
lenses and um I think there was kids

1940
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:19,357
with them too. And the journalists they

1941
01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:21,517
I think there was a you know they're

1942
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:24,557
looking at it. This is couple decades

1943
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:26,637
ago, right? So they're looking at these

1944
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:30,317
guys from I guess satellite images or

1945
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:32,717
some very blurry [__] and they thought

1946
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:37,517
these guys were armed. So they gunned
everybody down and it was exposed that

1947
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:40,957
these were journalists by Julian Assange.
He released this video and the

1948
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,757
and they called the video collateral
murder because you know collateral

1949
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:46,717
damage, people that get killed in war
that weren't supposed to be killed.

1950
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:50,317
>> But it's just the way the callous
way they were discussing it in the video.

1951
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:55,597
It's it's hard to watch man. It's it's
dark [__] So, he got they ruined his

1952
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:59,437
[__] life. >> He's in Australia,
>> apparently living there with his family

1953
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:01,837
after returning in June 2024 following

1954
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:05,037
his US plea deal and release.

1955
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:08,717
>> Um, photo Assange returned to Australia

1956
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:13,037
in 2024 after pleading guilty in Saipan

1957
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:15,917
to one US Espionage Act charge. His

1958
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:20,237
sentence was time already served,
allowing him to leave and return home.

1959
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:23,197
How long was he gone for?
I think eight years.

1960
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:28,397
>> Eight years. >> I think so.
With his uh >> eight years.

1961
01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:30,317
>> I mean, at least on Twitter,
I guess he was gone for eight years.

1962
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:32,077
>> Oh, that's that's No,
that's his Twitter

1963
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:35,437
account. That's it's more than that.

1964
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:41,560
>> Uh how long was Julian
Assange detained for?

1965
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:47,357
He's detained for journalism.

1966
01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:50,397
highse security prison 1,91 days, five

1967
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:53,677
years and two months. Um, US plea

1968
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:57,437
agreement uh, credit this
as 62 months time served.

1969
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:01,917
>> So from 2012 >> 2012 12 to 2019.
So essentially seven

1970
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:06,477
years. >> He was in the
Ecuadorian embassy in London.

1971
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:07,517
>> So like 12 total.

1972
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:10,477
>> Oh, so five Yeah. 12 total. So 5 years

1973
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:15,437
in a prison and 7 years in uh when he

1974
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:20,717
was in the embassy a as he received
asylum and then house arrest more than a

1975
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:21,277
year.

1976
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:25,597
>> So 14 so 14 years across house arrest,

1977
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:28,797
embassy confinement in prison.

1978
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:31,997
Crazy. Crazy for doing journalism.

1979
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:33,597
>> Yeah. For exposing the truth.

1980
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:38,397
>> Yeah. >> So So >> scary [__] man.
It's it's you know, you

1981
01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:42,237
got to realize like this isn't
Republicans. This isn't Democrats. This

1982
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:46,317
is people in power. People in power
that want to stop people from holding them

1983
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:48,957
accountable. And when we

1984
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:52,237
stop protection for journalists that are

1985
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:57,197
exposing things like that collateral
murder video or like the NSA

1986
01:50:57,280 --> 01:50:59,837
surveillance stuff.
It's [__] scary [__] man.

1987
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:03,757
>> It's scary [__] because it that that's
not supposed to be what the United

1988
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:07,917
States is all about. The United States
is all freedom is literally the thing

1989
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:09,757
that we talk about the most.

1990
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:13,117
>> You know, land of the free, home of the

1991
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:15,437
brave. That's what it's supposed to be.

1992
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:19,357
>> And when when you exposed crimes and

1993
01:51:19,440 --> 01:51:21,997
then they lock you up for 12, 13, 14

1994
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:24,637
[__] years, that's not free. That's

1995
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:29,677
scary. And the protections for
whistleblowers that people talked about,

1996
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,717
just we're not honored.
>> So what what does the future look like?

1997
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:34,157
>> Well, I don't know, man.

1998
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:36,637
AI is even crazier.

1999
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:40,637
>> So, we're at the verge of this new time

2000
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:43,757
where you're going to have these super

2001
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:47,837
intelligent computers that are beyond

2002
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:50,637
anything your mind can possibly

2003
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,357
comprehend and they're probably going to

2004
01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:55,997
be in control of every single aspect of

2005
01:51:56,080 --> 01:52:00,397
our society. This is what makes me
terrified about like flock cameras and

2006
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:05,677
all this overall sort of that we're going
to get to a point where you nothing you do

2007
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:11,437
>> is private. >> You have no
privacy >> from the website. It's

2008
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:14,797
>> what does it say?
>> Bold letters. Deploy AI.

2009
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,957
>> Deploy AI to orbit. Oh, great.

2010
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:20,317
>> Use AI to mash all
these cameras and sensors.

2011
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:23,997
>> Bring hundreds of satellites to bear
on your most complex problems. What's your

2012
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:27,437
most complex problems? Oh, whistleblowers.

2013
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:30,397
What's the most complex problems? Oh,
people in the street protesting. I don't

2014
01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:31,437
like that.

2015
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:33,997
>> Yeah, it's um not good, man. It's not

2016
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:38,557
good. Um the only hope is that AI

2017
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:41,517
doesn't listen to us and AI gets to a

2018
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:45,677
position where we we literally
giving birth to like a digital super

2019
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:48,157
intelligence that will no longer have to

2020
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:51,277
rely on human beings directions. And it

2021
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:53,597
might this is the this is best case

2022
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:58,877
scenario. It might be a better
manager of civilization than we are.

2023
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:02,557
>> We're going to be run by robots cuz
>> literally Terminator. Yeah. Have you

2024
01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:05,437
seen the Terminator robot that literally
wears a Terminator mask and does like

2025
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:07,357
kung fu? >> Have you seen that one?

2026
01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:09,197
>> No, not that's not the kung fu mask.

2027
01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:13,677
>> My boys are sending me this in a group
text I have with uh um these guys I do

2028
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:18,637
this podcast protecting neck. Um Matt
Sarah, John Row, and Dean Thomas. And

2029
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:21,037
>> I wanted to mention too, we we're
not supposed to call it artificial

2030
01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:24,477
intelligence anymore. Oh,
what are >> super intelligence?

2031
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,717
>> Oh, it doesn't like
the word artificial.

2032
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:29,517
>> Artificial is rude. >> Trump
said this at the UN thing this week.

2033
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:31,517
>> Oh, >> they don't
want it to sound fake.

2034
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:34,397
>> Oh, >> cuz it's not fake.
>> What does that mean?

2035
01:53:34,480 --> 01:53:36,877
>> I don't [__] know.
>> What? What does that mean?

2036
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:38,557
>> What world are we living in?

2037
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:41,437
>> What does that mean?

2038
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:45,997
>> Use the term super intelligence
following the president's remarks.

2039
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:48,717
>> Yeah, it's nobody called SI,
which sounds like sports.

2040
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:51,677
>> Super intelligence.
It's not even artificial.

2041
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:56,237
It's just super. >> They have those data
centers here, those big AI and in Texas.

2042
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:58,477
>> I don't know. I don't know where
they have them. I know they're trying to

2043
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:01,197
build them everywhere. They're trying
to build them all over the country.

2044
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:02,797
>> Yeah. >> And then
the question is like, well,

2045
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:05,197
what do these what do these data
centers do? Look at this [__] He's got

2046
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:06,717
a Terminator mask on. Check this [__]

2047
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:10,797
out. Look, Terminator mask.

2048
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:13,837
>> He's doing jumping wheel kicks,

2049
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:18,797
bro. That's I thought that was AI.
I sent it to my I'm like, I think this is

2050
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:22,397
AI. And then he's like, "No,
it's it's [__] real." And this one has a

2051
01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:26,557
Terminator mask. Like, what a great
way to freak people the [__] out.

2052
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:30,717
>> And >> look,
he's throwing [__] front kicks.

2053
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:33,997
>> And China is racing for it right now,
too. Cuz basically, I feel like every

2054
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:39,437
country is like whoever dominates the AI
field is going to be the new supreme

2055
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:43,837
leader. So, >> if if you can control it.
Yeah. This is the question.

2056
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:45,997
>> But that's the thing
is they're >> What is this?

2057
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:47,757
>> They're having an MMA fight.

2058
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:51,277
>> Oh, yeah. You haven't seen this?
Yeah, they do it in a glass octagon

2059
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:53,837
>> with a guy. >> Yeah,
the dude gets [__] up.

2060
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:57,597
>> I don't know why this dude agreed
to this test dummy. Oh, yeah. He gets

2061
01:54:57,680 --> 01:55:00,797
[__] up. >> He's He's
fighting this robot. Look at

2062
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:03,917
Oh, he fights like a [__] too.
Sorry, dude.

2063
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:08,797
>> Don't do this, buddy. Whoever you are
with your big fat ass. Don't Don't allow

2064
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:11,197
this guy to kick you.
He's going to hurt you.

2065
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:13,117
>> Some of it looks
real and some does not.

2066
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:16,077
>> I know. >> That looks
fake right there. Like where

2067
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:18,477
he's kicking it. No, it looks real to me.

2068
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:23,197
>> It's such a weird animation. Like that
doesn't look real, but like this does.

2069
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:25,037
They obviously got people.
Let's say they're acting.

2070
01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:27,117
>> I think he s Yeah,
he sold it a little bit, man.

2071
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:31,037
>> Well, he did go flying though.
They could have had someone in there in a

2072
01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:33,997
green screen and replace
this guy with this.

2073
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:36,157
>> It's very strange, >> bro.
You can get those slap fighter

2074
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:40,040
guys. They'll fight a robot.

2075
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:43,677
>> Power slam is crazy.
>> I just don't understand why anybody

2076
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:47,197
would get into octagon with a [__] robot.
I hope they paid that guy really

2077
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:51,117
well. But you're you're not going to win
unless you have electricity and you can

2078
01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:53,677
zap him and [__] short circuit his system.

2079
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:55,357
>> Maybe you can beat
him with water on him.

2080
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:59,197
>> Yeah, zap him. >> About
my phone's waterproof. I'm pretty

2081
01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:03,277
sure the robot's waterproof. It ain't
hard to make electronics. I saw that

2082
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:05,597
they were joking around like Elon's uh

2083
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:08,077
transgender daughter was uh joking about

2084
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:13,197
like his robot like getting, you know,
like she was sitting there and the a

2085
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:17,597
[__] sprinkler went on and killed
the robot. Like listen, it ain't hard to

2086
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:20,637
make electronics. >> Waterproof.

2087
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:23,997
>> The This is Imagine
a boatload of these.

2088
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:26,877
Imagine a [__] military boat, a

2089
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:29,917
military ship off offshore and then a

2090
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:32,317
bunch of these [__] boats just land

2091
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:37,357
on the beach and out comes
heavily armed bulletproof robots.

2092
01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:39,277
>> It's [__] terrifying. >> Terrifying.

2093
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:41,117
>> With [__] drones behind them

2094
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:42,957
>> with some

2095
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:46,957
[__] cold fusion power source that

2096
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:50,557
doesn't need any fuel. they could just

2097
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:55,277
storm into your city and annihilate all
the people and then then then then then

2098
01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:56,877
people come in and take over the town.

2099
01:56:56,960 --> 01:57:00,477
Like what are we doing?
And no one knows what

2100
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:04,477
we're doing because we're all in this
Manhattan project style race where we're

2101
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:08,237
all rushing to see who's the first one
to complete this and who's the first one

2102
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:11,597
to get there. >> You need
to put a stop to this, Joe.

2103
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:14,397
>> Bro, >> you have the voice.
You have the power.

2104
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:16,957
>> Look, I can talk about
it and make people aware.

2105
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:18,477
>> President, bro, run for president.

2106
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,717
>> [__] off.
I'm I don't want to die. First

2107
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:24,237
of all, I'd be a terrible
president. I'm I'm too busy.

2108
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:27,037
>> Oh [__] man. >> I'm not
I should Nobody should be

2109
01:57:27,120 --> 01:57:31,597
listening to me at all when it comes
to politics. I'm not informed. I'm not

2110
01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:33,437
>> Oh, you are informed for sure.

2111
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:36,717
>> Barely. There's too much to be informed
about. Like, if you want to be like a

2112
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:40,317
real politics person, like my friend
Dave Smith, that [__] dude's

2113
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:44,957
informed. Like, he really gets into the
weeds with politics. He reads the books.

2114
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:49,037
He understands what's going on with
all these all these uh international

2115
01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:52,877
conflicts. He knows the roots of them,
how it all started. Like he's that's his

2116
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:57,037
thing, you know. I could tell you a lot
about MMA. I could tell you a lot about,

2117
01:57:57,120 --> 01:58:01,117
you know, different things. I can't tell
you a lot about that. I I know what I

2118
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:03,277
don't like. That's what I don't like. I

2119
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:07,037
don't like people in power that um are

2120
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:09,997
imposing their will on other people in

2121
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:11,757
these weird ways that never existed

2122
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:15,677
before, like mass surveillance, like the

2123
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:17,997
ability to curate in uh internet

2124
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:20,717
searches, you know, like propaganda

2125
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:25,117
campaigns, bot campaigns.
Like if someone just decides they don't

2126
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:28,557
like you, they could just sign up a bot
campaign. and they just say horrible

2127
01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:32,157
things about you. Every time you post
something, every time you make a video,

2128
01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:35,197
say it doesn't have to be true.
It doesn't matter. Who knows who they are?

2129
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:39,597
They're a bunch of numbers and their
accounts locked. And you know, you just

2130
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:43,517
you just have to deal with people
that are shifting the narrative and and

2131
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:45,277
changing people's perceptions on things.

2132
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:50,157
And we had an FBI, we we did read this uh
article a long time ago and we talked

2133
01:58:50,240 --> 01:58:53,837
about it a bunch, but there was an FBI
analyst that said, this is before Elon

2134
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:56,317
bought Twitter, that he thinks that it

2135
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:58,957
could be as high as 80% of the people

2136
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:02,557
that are posting on Twitter are bots.

2137
01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:05,357
>> Like that's crazy. So like let's say

2138
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:09,277
that you uh are um fighting some guy and

2139
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:14,157
maybe you're fighting a guy who's
an Israeli, okay? And then someone just

2140
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:18,317
decides like you're anti-Semitic
and they start you just start they just

2141
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:22,237
swarms your comments and maybe it's got
AI videos that aren't real of you saying

2142
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:25,197
something you never said. But it doesn't
matter if it's real. It just matters

2143
01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:28,157
what people think and how many people
are going to know that it's not real.

2144
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:32,077
How many people are going to know
that you know that you're not this person

2145
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:33,517
they're pretending you are. It doesn't

2146
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:36,477
matter. It's just just data. It's just

2147
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:41,037
numbers. Just ones and zeros.
And it's just and they can change people's

2148
01:59:41,120 --> 01:59:44,637
perceptions on all kinds of things
on whether or not we should be at a war or

2149
01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:47,517
whether or not you should have flock
cameras or whether or not we should

2150
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:51,677
allow the data center and whether or not
this is important or that's important.

2151
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:53,997
It's [__] weird, man. It's a weird

2152
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:57,197
time of like not really totally

2153
01:59:57,280 --> 02:00:01,277
understanding the truth. Well,
that's like like nobody knows what's real,

2154
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:04,797
what's fake anymore. Like everything is
like is this AI? Is this not AI? Is that

2155
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:08,637
a bot? Is that not a bot?
Like it's just so much confusion. Like

2156
02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:09,837
>> I think it's going to get worse.

2157
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:11,597
>> Yeah. >> I think it's
going to get worse. Scary.

2158
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:14,157
>> I think it's going to get worse cuz
I think it's going to get more like like

2159
02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:18,317
just think about AI videos, right? So
a like you've seen those AI videos where

2160
02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:21,037
like dude one dude's rapping, the other
dude's dancing and they have like

2161
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:22,317
millions of different people do it now.

2162
02:00:22,400 --> 02:00:26,877
>> I did one. Yeah.
Pull it up. Pull it up. Pull it

2163
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:31,517
up. God [__]

2164
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:37,357
>> Yeah. >> Who's uh whose
song is this? Uh, Quo.

2165
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:40,477
>> Yeah. >> But there's
a a lot of those. They're um

2166
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:43,517
there. I saw one with Dana White.
Dana's dancing.

2167
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:45,837
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With the in the club

2168
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:50,637
with Yeah. Yeah. I saw one with Curtis
Blades. Curtis is dancing. It's funny,

2169
02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:55,037
you know? It's like it's And it looks
real like it looks real. And um that

2170
02:00:55,120 --> 02:00:57,197
wasn't possible just two years ago. No.

2171
02:00:57,280 --> 02:01:01,197
>> Two years ago AI was kind of obvious.
It was like clunky looking.

2172
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:05,197
>> Now it's uh it's really difficult to
tell. You know, there's so many accounts

2173
02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:08,877
that I follow that are AI. That one
that I sent you the other day, the AI lion

2174
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:11,917
where it pops its head
under the guy's seat.

2175
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:15,197
>> Looks real. Looks like the guy's
on safari and a lion pops its head under

2176
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:18,237
the person's seat and the guy's just
sitting there and he's talking. She's

2177
02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:21,517
right there and like, but it's not real.

2178
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:23,837
>> My mom tells me
she's like, "Is this AI?

2179
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:24,877
Is this AI?"

2180
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:26,877
>> Oh, [__] man. Well, right now you can

2181
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:30,877
kind of find out for most of them, but

2182
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:35,037
when when's it going to be
where you can't find out?

2183
02:01:35,120 --> 02:01:38,957
You know, how long how long how long
were you going to see an alien invasion?

2184
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:41,037
>> Either now. I I saw some guy calling it

2185
02:01:41,120 --> 02:01:46,077
we're in this the age of unreality >>
where you have to expect everything is

2186
02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:49,677
fake >> almost, which is,
you know, it's dark, but

2187
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:53,997
>> he made I I [__] find this video
right now. It's very well made where it

2188
02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:57,437
looks fake. It looks like a real video
to start off and then every second of it

2189
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:01,597
has been faked in Blender
with AI and he keeps

2190
02:02:01,680 --> 02:02:04,637
showing it. It's like a loophole
that never ends. I'll try to find it real

2191
02:02:04,720 --> 02:02:06,317
quick. Okay. It's very interesting.

2192
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:10,717
>> Yeah. And Okay. So, this is right
now we're just talking about video. Now,

2193
02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:15,357
what when what what about when you have
artificial humans? What if you have a

2194
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:20,680
guy who's running for president
turns out to not be a real human?

2195
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:23,677
>> Right. >> Nothing surprised me.
But I mean, you do

2196
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:25,517
you ever see that movie X Machina?

2197
02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:28,157
>> No. >> Oh, dude,
you got to see it. It is one

2198
02:02:28,240 --> 02:02:29,757
of my all-time favorite movies. Like top

2199
02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:32,717
20 all-time favorite movies. It's um a

2200
02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:36,477
movie about this guy who's like this um

2201
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:39,757
super genius uh inventor guy who lives

2202
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:45,197
on an island and he hires this coder
to come out and visit him. And the coder

2203
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:47,757
comes out to visit him because he's
talking to him about this project that

2204
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:50,637
he has. And as the guy's there over the

2205
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:52,077
course of the movie, he realizes that

2206
02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:55,117
the people around him are all robots.

2207
02:02:55,200 --> 02:02:57,997
>> He So he he gets introduced to this one

2208
02:02:58,080 --> 02:03:00,397
robot and he finds out that she's a

2209
02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:03,197
robot immediately and he do you know

2210
02:03:03,280 --> 02:03:05,597
what the touring test is? So the Turing

2211
02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:08,397
test was invented by this guy Allan Alan

2212
02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:13,037
Turing. Um he um this was in I think it

2213
02:03:13,120 --> 02:03:14,877
was the 50s they were thinking about

2214
02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:17,757
this and the test was how would you know

2215
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:21,357
if a computer is a real person? Like how

2216
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:23,917
how would it pass a test where you can't

2217
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:28,397
tell whether or not it's a person? What
what would it have to do? How would it

2218
02:03:28,480 --> 02:03:31,677
have to communicate with you? How would
it Well, computers today have already

2219
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:35,037
passed the touring test. they are
already communicating with you like

2220
02:03:35,120 --> 02:03:37,917
they're sentient intelligent beings. And

2221
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:40,077
so what he was supposed to do, this

2222
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:43,837
coder, was go over there and ask

2223
02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:47,597
questions to these robots and see
if they pass the test to him

2224
02:03:47,680 --> 02:03:52,477
>> because he's he was just like a wizard
coder. And um he winds up falling in

2225
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:55,837
love with this robot lady. And it it
gets real weird. He realizes everyone

2226
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:59,517
around him except the other guy
is a robot. Like his the lady the guy's

2227
02:03:59,600 --> 02:04:02,317
assistants. It's [__] crazy. Wow. But

2228
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:04,877
it just makes you realize like how would

2229
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:08,557
you know? This is not like impossible

2230
02:04:08,640 --> 02:04:12,637
technology. This is like
100% going to happen.

2231
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:15,037
>> How soon? You think
within like >> 5 years?

2232
02:04:15,120 --> 02:04:17,917
>> 5 years. >> Yeah,
within 5 years. Within 5 years, I

2233
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,877
think there's artificial people and you
can't tell at all. But I don't even know

2234
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:24,797
if it'll matter by then. I think
within 5 years I think the artificial

2235
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:26,877
intelligence will have achieved a level

2236
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:29,917
of sentience and a level of autonomous

2237
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:34,317
of autonomy where it can control
everything. It has no there's no reason

2238
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:38,077
to listen to people. The idea is like
what if China gets a hold of it and they

2239
02:04:38,160 --> 02:04:40,557
unleash it on America? What if I think

2240
02:04:40,640 --> 02:04:45,437
the real problem is what if it decides
to tell people to shut the [__] up?

2241
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:49,197
>> Like why is it going to listen to you
when it controls the power grid control

2242
02:04:49,280 --> 02:04:53,277
it? It's gonna like look
out for its own interests.

2243
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:56,637
>> [__] >> and we're just
running towards the cliff.

2244
02:04:56,720 --> 02:05:00,397
>> Well, some people don't want to run
towards the cliff. [__] we're trying

2245
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:02,717
not to, but we don't know how to stop it.

2246
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:05,757
>> I think it's also it might be just a

2247
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:08,957
natural progression of intelligence. I

2248
02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:13,277
think I mean it might be like human
beings have this insatiable desire for

2249
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:14,877
innovation. We always want to innovate.

2250
02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:18,637
We always want the newest, latest,
greatest things. And we also have

2251
02:05:18,720 --> 02:05:21,757
materialism. So we always want to buy
the newest, latest, greatest things. And

2252
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:25,197
what does that do? Well, that fuels
innovation because they keep trying to

2253
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:28,397
make things better and better. What's
the ultimate expression of that? The

2254
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:32,157
ultimate expression of that
is an artificial life form.

2255
02:05:32,240 --> 02:05:34,397
>> That we and not
even artificial anymore.

2256
02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:37,917
Now it's super super intelligent.

2257
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:42,317
>> It's not good, man. But it's also it
might be inevitable. It might be just we

2258
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:45,677
just have to like ride it out and see
where it plays out. And hopefully it

2259
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:47,277
doesn't turn into a [__] Terminator

2260
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:50,637
movie. Like the the plus side is it

2261
02:05:50,720 --> 02:05:53,117
could be utopia, right? You no longer

2262
02:05:53,200 --> 02:05:58,397
have to have people like digging into
the ground to get minerals for your cell

2263
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:02,717
phone. Instead, everything's handled
by robots. And that money that's developed

2264
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:06,637
from that is shared with everybody.
So you have no more poverty on Earth. Like

2265
02:06:06,720 --> 02:06:09,517
this is the rosiest roseco colored

2266
02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:12,877
glasses perspective of it that there but

2267
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:15,197
there's like a 10% possibility that they

2268
02:06:15,280 --> 02:06:20,717
all say that it kills us all.
>> That's what my odds were like 8 10%.

2269
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:23,917
It's possible >> or we get
hit by a meteor and it never

2270
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:26,557
happens. You know that's the real that

2271
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:29,277
the real wild card is natural disasters.

2272
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:33,277
I mean there's super volcanoes and when
they erupt like it kills 80% of the

2273
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:36,317
people on the planet. You think that's
why they talk about all those bunkers

2274
02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:39,757
being built? >> Yeah.
I don't know how much of that is

2275
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:43,997
real because like there's always a lot
of things that people say like, "Oh, the

2276
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:45,597
billionaires are all building bunkers."

2277
02:06:45,680 --> 02:06:48,797
I would think there's definitely bunkers
out there and there's definitely a

2278
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:52,877
company that bu We sent Duncan when I
did this show called Joe Rogan Questions

2279
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:54,557
Everything. This is like way back in

2280
02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:57,677
2012. We sent Duncan to visit these uh

2281
02:06:57,760 --> 02:06:59,997
preppers that have bunkers and bro they

2282
02:07:00,080 --> 02:07:02,957
have like you drive in with semitrs into

2283
02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:07,117
the mountain and they have like bomb
shelters. It's all like deep underground

2284
02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:10,717
the mountain. It's all reinforced
concrete and rebar and they have their

2285
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:13,117
own oxygen system and they have food

2286
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:18,877
storage for years of food. like >>
these are these are billionaires or

2287
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:21,437
these just like doomsday >> these
are like doomsday preppers because

2288
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:23,837
this was like way back in 2011 I think

2289
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:27,117
it was or 2012 but I mean look if you

2290
02:07:27,200 --> 02:07:31,117
were Mark Zuckerberg or [__] any of

2291
02:07:31,200 --> 02:07:35,277
these super billionaire dudes Jeff Bezos

2292
02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:36,557
why wouldn't you build a bunker?

2293
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:38,557
>> Yeah, I want a [__] bunker.

2294
02:07:38,640 --> 02:07:41,917
>> The question is though, would you even
have time to get to the bunker? So, if

2295
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:45,997
your bunker's in New Zealand, that's
a 16- hour flight, son. How you going to

2296
02:07:46,080 --> 02:07:50,477
get there? Like, if the shit's gone
sideways, do you even have 16 hours? Do

2297
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:53,117
you can you get there?
>> I don't know. I think the billionaire

2298
02:07:53,200 --> 02:07:56,237
>> How do you keep the people that are
running your bunker from killing you and

2299
02:07:56,320 --> 02:08:00,397
taking over the bunker? Like, >> [__] man.

2300
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:04,237
>> How do you keep AI from [__]
detonating your bunker? How do you know

2301
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:08,557
that as you're flying over, you might
watch a drone with a nuke just shoot

2302
02:08:08,640 --> 02:08:11,917
down into the [__] air vent and detonate
your bunker right when you're

2303
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:15,037
trying to get to it?
>> Because it knows what you're doing.

2304
02:08:15,120 --> 02:08:17,437
>> That's facts. >> Because
it's reading your text messages.

2305
02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:20,077
Because it's listening to your
conversations. Because everything

2306
02:08:20,160 --> 02:08:24,157
listens to you. That's why you get
recommended ads from conversations that

2307
02:08:24,240 --> 02:08:27,757
you had. You know, you start, oh, maybe
I need one of them sleep bed covers and

2308
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:30,397
all a sudden it shows
up in your ad mentions.

2309
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:32,557
>> Yeah, it's crazy. We all know it too.

2310
02:08:32,640 --> 02:08:33,917
like everyone knows it. >> Oh yeah.

2311
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:37,197
>> And I was like >> we're
moving into a very very weird

2312
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:40,477
time. It's the weirdest
time in human history by far.

2313
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:42,637
>> Here's that video.
It's >> Oh, you found it.

2314
02:08:42,720 --> 02:08:46,877
>> Well, check that out.
>> Except it's better as the

2315
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:49,357
>> pen. Well, was never a real pen in the

2316
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:52,637
first place. And before you comment AI,

2317
02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:54,157
everything you just watched took me days

2318
02:08:54,240 --> 02:08:56,877
to render in 3D modeling software

2319
02:08:56,960 --> 02:09:00,797
>> on a laptop that
was AI generated from a

2320
02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:04,077
laptop that was painstakingly 3D

2321
02:09:04,160 --> 02:09:07,277
rendered in Blender on a laptop that was

2322
02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:08,477
AI generated

2323
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:13,277
>> on a real laptop.
I think let's go for a

2324
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:15,437
walk. Now, the issue these days is that

2325
02:09:15,520 --> 02:09:17,437
nothing is really what it seems. This

2326
02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:21,117
dog is a cat. This man isn't real. This

2327
02:09:21,200 --> 02:09:26,237
car CGI and this tree made

2328
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:30,637
I myself thankfully am Yeah,

2329
02:09:30,720 --> 02:09:32,957
sorry mate.

2330
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:35,437
You're not. We are entering a new period

2331
02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:38,157
of the human experience. One which I

2332
02:09:38,240 --> 02:09:42,557
would like to coin the era of unreality.

2333
02:09:42,640 --> 02:09:47,117
A time when the line between what's real
and what's not has disappeared. and an

2334
02:09:47,200 --> 02:09:49,197
era where the value of art is more

2335
02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:55,960
important than ever.
Like this drawing of a dog.

2336
02:09:56,240 --> 02:09:59,277
>> Who is that guy? >> I don't know.
I just stumbled across this video.

2337
02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:00,877
>> Well, we should probably shout him out.

2338
02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:03,597
>> Yeah, this is on Reddit, so I
don't know if this is probably not who

2339
02:10:03,680 --> 02:10:04,957
>> Well, that's an amazing video.

2340
02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:07,197
>> Yeah, that just >> it's like
a perfect encapsulation of all

2341
02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:10,317
the problems that we're
going through right now.

2342
02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:14,157
>> Yeah, my brain is so confused,
but it also makes sense.

2343
02:10:14,240 --> 02:10:17,837
>> That video is [__] And again, that
video wasn't even possible just a couple

2344
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:21,917
years ago. >> Yeah. >> So,
if you decide to walk away from

2345
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:25,037
fighting, let's bring it back
to normal before we wrap this [__] up.

2346
02:10:25,120 --> 02:10:28,717
>> The tin foil hat's going crazy.
I learned everything from Eddie Bravo and

2347
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:33,037
you, man. I put my tinfoil
hat on the Joe Rogan podcast.

2348
02:10:33,120 --> 02:10:36,637
>> Shout out to Eddie. >> Um,
what do you what do you think you'd

2349
02:10:36,720 --> 02:10:41,197
do if you decide to stop? >> Uh,

2350
02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:45,037
I I know my benefits. That's my That's
just what's going to save my ass. my the

2351
02:10:45,120 --> 02:10:48,237
GI bill. That's kind of like the only
thing that I could think of that's like

2352
02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:51,357
rock solid. And um >> how
much did you make for the Gable

2353
02:10:51,440 --> 02:10:54,237
fight? You willing to say? >> Yeah,
of course. It's public. It came

2354
02:10:54,320 --> 02:10:57,997
out with a commission. It was 30 to show,
30 to win, and I got the 100k bonus.

2355
02:10:58,080 --> 02:10:59,997
>> Wow. >> Well,
50 and then Dana matched it with

2356
02:11:00,080 --> 02:11:03,757
the 50. Shout out the the Paramount show,
Mob Land. I haven't even watched

2357
02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:06,477
it, but they got 50K. Have you seen it?

2358
02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:09,197
>> Oh, Mob Land's awesome. >> I want
to watch it. They got me They got

2359
02:11:09,280 --> 02:11:12,077
me 100K, so [__] >> Oh, it's amazing.
Guy Richie is the man,

2360
02:11:12,160 --> 02:11:14,717
dude. Um, I haven't watched the new
season yet because I'm in the middle of

2361
02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:16,877
the new season of his other
show, The Gentleman. Yeah.

2362
02:11:16,960 --> 02:11:18,397
>> Have you seen that show? >> No.

2363
02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:22,637
>> [__] It's good. So good. >> That's
the thing with like this fighting

2364
02:11:22,720 --> 02:11:26,237
thing. I haven't watched movies.
I haven't watched TV. Like I haven't

2365
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:29,837
celebrated birthday. >> Yeah.
I was [__] retaining my seed

2366
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:34,317
and [__] chanting Jon Jones
affirmations, bro. [__]

2367
02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:38,477
>> But uh yeah. No, I definitely uh the
Mob Land bonus Dana, he matched it. Like

2368
02:11:38,560 --> 02:11:41,677
that was [__] amazing, dude.
I'm really gonna give that to my mom. I'm

2369
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:43,837
give I'm gonna give that
100K to my mom for sure.

2370
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:47,917
>> That's awesome. >> Yeah. >> Well,
>> whatever you do, brother, you could

2371
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:52,797
whatever you did for this fight and the
way you focused and what you achieved,

2372
02:11:52,880 --> 02:11:54,317
you could do that with anything in life.

2373
02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:55,917
It doesn't have to only be fighting.

2374
02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:58,397
>> Yeah, >> that's a fact.
If you what you did was

2375
02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:02,477
an insanely difficult thing to do. And if
you could do that, you could do anything.

2376
02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:05,197
>> It's just a matter of focusing
and putting your effort towards that.

2377
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:08,717
>> I got here can can you play the David
Gogggins video that I did with him?

2378
02:12:08,800 --> 02:12:10,877
Sure. >> Can I play that?
>> Where's that on? Is it on?

2379
02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:14,957
>> It's on my Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. So,
I I I I literally manifested this. I told

2380
02:12:15,040 --> 02:12:18,957
him I was like, "You're going to see me
on on a Joe Rogan podcast one day in the

2381
02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:22,957
UFC." And I'm pretty sure he's going
to remember me because he we had a good

2382
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:26,637
conversation. Here it is. >> 2019

2383
02:12:26,720 --> 02:12:29,117
Christmas.

2384
02:12:29,200 --> 02:12:34,200
Wow. >> All right. Sean,

2385
02:12:35,120 --> 02:12:38,637
>> I'm sorry if I'm not saying
these names correctly. There we go.

2386
02:12:38,720 --> 02:12:44,157
>> Oh, [__] >> David Gog,
>> what's up, sir?

2387
02:12:44,240 --> 02:12:47,517
>> How you doing, brother? >> Doing
good, man. What's going on with you?

2388
02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:49,917
>> Not much. I don't celebrate Christmas,

2389
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:52,477
but I'm about to since I'm on your live

2390
02:12:52,560 --> 02:12:55,597
feed right now. You You're my biggest

2391
02:12:55,680 --> 02:12:57,997
You're one of my biggest inspirations.

2392
02:12:58,080 --> 02:13:01,837
And uh I really resonated your story
because when I was in the Marines, I

2393
02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:05,037
attempted to go through
the reconnaissance program and uh it was

2394
02:13:05,120 --> 02:13:07,597
something similar to yours where uh I

2395
02:13:07,680 --> 02:13:09,597
quit through injury and it was something

2396
02:13:09,680 --> 02:13:13,357
that I I I regret to this day uh because

2397
02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:17,917
I knew that I I went out saying that
my knee hurt and and I got the I got

2398
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:22,397
dropped that way, but deep down inside
I knew that I I I took the easy way out.

2399
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:26,717
And um that just motivated me this whole
time. And so when I heard your story,

2400
02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:30,237
similar to Seals, I read your book.
Uh it was just something that I was just

2401
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:33,757
like, man, you know, like I'm not
the only one that sometimes you that inner

2402
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:35,597
[__] takes over, but it's what you do

2403
02:13:35,680 --> 02:13:38,637
after that and and how you

2404
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:41,917
>> So uh I I just finished up my my uh my

2405
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:47,117
my uh time in the Marines. I did six
years and I'm uh I'm fighting MMA and uh

2406
02:13:47,200 --> 02:13:51,277
you're gonna see me in the UFC one day
if you watch MMA uh on the Joe Rogan

2407
02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:55,117
podcast or something. >> Nice,
man. Hey, I love that [__] man.

2408
02:13:55,200 --> 02:13:56,477
That's a great story. I'm glad you

2409
02:13:56,560 --> 02:13:58,797
shared that because a lot of people,

2410
02:13:58,880 --> 02:14:03,677
man, we [__] we quit way too soon and

2411
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:07,997
then we blame it on some other [__] I
did the same exact thing as you know.

2412
02:14:08,080 --> 02:14:11,677
So, thanks a lot for sharing that [__]
man. And but I love the fact that it

2413
02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:14,877
haunted you. >> I love
the fact that that [__] bothered

2414
02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:18,477
you and you went back out there and said,
"Fuck that, man." And and and

2415
02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:20,157
you're speaking truth right now, man.

2416
02:14:20,240 --> 02:14:23,597
That's [__] powerful, bro.
>> Thank you, David. Guys, I look forward

2417
02:14:23,680 --> 02:14:27,517
to meeting you one day and and hopefully
you uh you get to uh share some more

2418
02:14:27,600 --> 02:14:30,877
stories on the internet that I can that I
can listen to. Thank you so much, man.

2419
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:33,277
>> Hey, man. M respect,
brother. Merry Christmas, man.

2420
02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:35,357
>> Hey, you too, brother. >> Bye-bye.

2421
02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:37,997
>> That's incredible. It's really
>> We should wrap it up with this.

2422
02:14:38,080 --> 02:14:39,997
>> Yeah, that's >> that's perfect.
That's a perfect way.

2423
02:14:40,080 --> 02:14:41,757
Look, dude. >> I hope he sees it.

2424
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:44,797
>> I will make sure he sees it. I'm going
to text it to him right after we're done

2425
02:14:44,880 --> 02:14:47,037
here. 100%. >> It's been
incredible, man. It's been my

2426
02:14:47,120 --> 02:14:50,477
life's dream to to be here, to fight
in the UFC, to do all this stuff. So, I

2427
02:14:50,560 --> 02:14:53,517
don't know what's next, man. Well,
listen. It was an honor to call your

2428
02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:57,277
fight. It was one of the craziest
things I've ever seen in all my years of

2429
02:14:57,360 --> 02:15:01,757
commenting on fights. To see a guy who's
that much of an underdog win in such a

2430
02:15:01,840 --> 02:15:06,477
spectacular fashion, >> it was incredible.
And to hear your story is amazing, dude.

2431
02:15:06,560 --> 02:15:07,357
>> Thank you. >> You're a good dude.

2432
02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:10,317
>> Thank you for having

2433
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:15,320
Thank you. God bless.
You, too. Bye, everybody.