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pay off our national debt.
>> So what do you think the solution is to

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the jobs that are going to be lost

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because of AI and robotics, the jobs due

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to automation, the jobs due to no longer

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do we need human beings to do these jobs
because AI is doing them? Do you think

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it's going to be some sort of a
universal basic income thing? Do you

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think there's going to be some other kind
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because a lot of people are
going to be out of work, right?

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Um I think there will be um actually a

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high demand for jobs but not
necessarily the same jobs.

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I mean this is actually this process has

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been happening um throughout um modern

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history. Um I mean there used to be like

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like doing calculations um ma manually

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with with like pencil and paper used
to be a job. So they used to have like

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buildings full of people called

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computers where the the banks would like

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all you do all day is is is um you do

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calculations because they didn't
have computers didn't they didn't have

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digital didn't have digital computers
that that people Yeah. Well just people

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would just like add and subtract stuff
on piece of paper and and and that that

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would be how banks would do
you know financial processing

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>> and you'd have to literally go over
their equations to make sure the books

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are balanced. >> Yeah.
And most times it's just simple

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math like you know the like in in
a world before computers how did you

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calculate how did you you do

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transactions you had to do them by hand.

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Um so then when computers were

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introduced the job of doing um you know

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bank calculations no longer existed. Um

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so people had to go do something else.

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Um and that's what's going to happen

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that what's that's what is happening
at an accelerated rate. um due to AI and

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and then robotics. >> That's
the issue though, right? The

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accelerated rate because it's going to be
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just happening that like I said AI is

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the supersonic tsunami.

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So that's what I call it supersonic

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tsunami. Um so

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>> it's like what other jobs will be

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available that aren't available now

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because of AI?

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Um well AI um will is is really still

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digital. Ultimately um AI can improve

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the productivity of of humans who who
um build things with their hands or do

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things with their hands like
plum, you know, literally

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welding, electrical work,
plumbing, anything

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that's that's physically moving atoms.

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um like like cooking food or um you know

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farming or or like like anything that's

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that's physical uh those jobs will exist

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for a much longer time. But anything

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that is digital uh which is like just

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someone at a computer doing something
AI is going to take over those jobs like

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lightning >> coding anything
along those lines. Yeah, [snorts]

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>> it's going to take over those jobs
like lightning. um just like it just like

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digital [snorts] computers took over the

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job of people doing manual calculations

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but but much faster. cars are um cars

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are going to be autonomous. Um but there
there's just so many desk desk jobs

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where where really what people are
doing is they're processing email um or

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they're answering the phone um and and

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just anything that is that that isn't

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moving atoms like anything that is not
physically like doing physical work that

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will obviously be the first thing
those jobs will will be and are being

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eliminated by by AI
at a very rapid pace. Um

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um

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and ultimately

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I working will be optional

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uh because you'll have robots plus AI

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um and we'll have in a benign scenario

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universal high income not just universal

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basic income universal high income

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meaning anyone can have any products or

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services that they want. So you

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>> but but there will be a lot of trauma

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and disruption along the way.

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>> So you anticipate a basic income from

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that that the economy will boost to such

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an extent that a high income would be

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available to almost everybody. So we'd

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essentially eliminate poverty

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>> um in the benign scenario.
Yes. So like the way

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>> there's multiple scenarios.

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>> There are multiple scenarios. There's
a lot of ways this movie can end. Um, like

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the reason I'm so concerned about
AI safety is that like one of the

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possibilities is the Terminator

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scenario. It's not it's not 0%.

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um that's why it's like I'm like really

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banging the drum on AI needs to be

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maximally truth seeeking. Like don't

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make I don't force AI to believe a lie
like that the for example the founding

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fathers were actually a group of diverse
women or that misgendering is worse than

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nuclear