WEBVTT 00:00:01.920 --> 00:00:03.837 Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. 00:00:03.920 --> 00:00:06.157 >> The Joe Rogan Experience. 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:08.317 >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:12.157 NIGHT. All day. 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:14.877 >> All right, bro. David, what's up? 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:16.637 >> Thanks for having me back on. Yeah, >> my pleasure. 00:00:16.720 --> 00:00:18.717 >> Yeah. >> Well, you're the one that's closest to 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:20.157 the flame, so tell me what's going on. 00:00:20.240 --> 00:00:22.717 >> Oh, I know, right? So, uh, living a 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:27.357 nightmare is what I tell my friends. So, it's definitely um been a tough several 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:29.277 years or so. And uh you know last time 00:00:29.360 --> 00:00:32.557 we were on uh just testified in front of 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:35.997 Congress and uh the UAP Disclosure Act 00:00:36.080 --> 00:00:38.077 of 23 was you know possibly getting 00:00:38.160 --> 00:00:43.277 passed. It failed to get passed and then I um based on you know things I know 00:00:43.360 --> 00:00:46.237 about the Biden administration, things I heard from the White House, I decided to 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:48.877 kind of lay low for a year. So 24 I 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:51.517 didn't do too much. And then uh 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:53.837 Representative Burlson had this crazy 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:56.797 idea to to hire me as a professional 00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:01.357 staff member for Congress working for him. Uh turns out I guess I was like the 00:01:01.440 --> 00:01:04.397 first guy that ever testified in front of Congress as a whistleblower and then 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:08.557 being subsequently hired by Congress. Um I was the first guy to ever do that 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:10.317 which is very interesting and very cool. 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:13.357 And I I do thank Burlson for um you know 00:01:13.440 --> 00:01:15.997 his leadership on that. And so I did 00:01:16.080 --> 00:01:20.637 that for about a year and a half. um just finished up actually. I was like, 00:01:20.720 --> 00:01:23.197 you know what? I'm staying longer than I thought. You know, I'm going to wait 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:25.117 until Labor Day, see where things are. I 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:27.837 worked pretty hard over uh uh summer 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:32.717 recess in August and and decided uh to, you know, wind down some of my 00:01:32.800 --> 00:01:34.477 activities because I accomplished a lot 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:39.837 of my objectives. We can get into that obviously and then uh kind of move into 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:42.557 I'll call it my next phase of operations, which includes a little 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:45.357 break for me. Um it's been very tiring. 00:01:45.440 --> 00:01:49.357 I've been kind of, you know, going full throttle for the last couple years and 00:01:49.440 --> 00:01:53.277 whatnot. And so we're really at a, I think, a poignant moment in US history 00:01:53.360 --> 00:01:56.797 with what Trump's done and the things you've seen in the media and whatnot. 00:01:56.880 --> 00:02:00.317 And there's a lot of other stuff happening behind the scenes because, you 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.557 know, a lot of my work has been private behind the scenes, you know, working for 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.197 Congress, specifically Representative Burlson. 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:11.357 >> So, let me ask you the environment. So, are there some people in Congress that 00:02:11.440 --> 00:02:13.597 are interested in disclosure of this 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:15.837 stuff and pursue you and want to find 00:02:15.920 --> 00:02:18.717 out information and want you to tell 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:22.957 them what what's going on and and then are there other people that are 00:02:23.040 --> 00:02:27.517 resisting this? Yeah, I think there's a big bifurcation of the non-believers and 00:02:27.600 --> 00:02:31.037 then kind of the UAP caucus. Although you see more and more people kind of 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:34.797 signing on to the cause like I did a presser back in June in front of the 00:02:34.880 --> 00:02:38.477 capital with members and we even had Brigider General retired uh 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:42.397 representative Scott Perry there who was on the House Intelligence Committee from 00:02:42.480 --> 00:02:46.717 my home state of PA and it was good to see other members, you know, start 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:50.557 showing that they support the cause. But it has been challenging behind the 00:02:50.640 --> 00:02:55.117 scenes and I had many skiff classified meetings with the members kind of going 00:02:55.200 --> 00:03:00.077 over the topological history of this topic and and some of the deeper darker 00:03:00.160 --> 00:03:04.957 kind of you know criminal stuff I bumped into and how I worked with DOJ to kind 00:03:05.040 --> 00:03:06.397 of highlight some of that stuff and that's what 00:03:06.480 --> 00:03:08.077 >> kind of criminal stuff. 00:03:08.160 --> 00:03:12.077 >> Yeah. So, uh, when I was, um, looking 00:03:12.160 --> 00:03:16.317 into this, and I have to be very respectful of, uh, my participation in 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:20.397 this because it's an ongoing thing with DOJ. Um, I was, you know, following the 00:03:20.480 --> 00:03:23.037 money, bumping into other activities. 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:25.597 Um, very much like, actually, it's sort 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:30.077 of related. And if you saw in the news that David Rush, very similar name to 00:03:30.160 --> 00:03:34.157 me, it's kind of uh, freaky, uh, but he was arrested with $40 million of gold 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:38.157 bars. He was a CIA officer. where he made a fake uh continuity of government 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:43.117 special access program and you know he went under the radar basically um doing 00:03:43.200 --> 00:03:46.877 his own thing and getting gold and Rolexes and stuff and the FBI raided his 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:49.357 house back in May. True true story. 00:03:49.440 --> 00:03:51.677 Yeah, the guy has a >> is that gold bars? 00:03:51.760 --> 00:03:53.757 >> He has he had $40 million of gold bars. 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:56.317 >> Where did he get the gold bars >> from the agency? 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:58.157 >> They have them laying around. 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:01.437 >> Yeah. I can't get into all the details of why the government 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:03.757 >> Hold on. The government has gold bars. 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.157 >> Yeah. And this guy just snatched him. 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:10.157 >> Yeah. He made I don't know all the details, but he made a fake continuity 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.917 of government special access program that nobody was briefed into. He like, 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:18.317 you know, papered it and uh nobody at the CIA questioned what he was doing. 00:04:18.400 --> 00:04:21.117 And he was like, "Well, I need, you know, 40 million in gold bars because of 00:04:21.200 --> 00:04:23.437 the special continuity of government activity." 00:04:23.520 --> 00:04:28.237 >> Wait, wait, wait. So that's how they fund some things in gold bars. 00:04:28.320 --> 00:04:30.397 It's almost like uh in Afghanistan when 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:32.237 I was over there, I'd have guys with 00:04:32.320 --> 00:04:37.437 briefcases full of $100,000 in cash cuz you have to pay for things, right? 00:04:37.520 --> 00:04:42.237 >> So, >> but that kind of makes more sense to me than lugging around gold. 00:04:42.320 --> 00:04:45.357 >> Yeah. >> What does like 40 million in gold bars look like? 00:04:45.440 --> 00:04:47.837 >> Uh I saw the seizure photos. It's a lot. 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:49.437 I mean, it's really >> Can I see what that looks like? 00:04:49.520 --> 00:04:53.917 >> It's approximately 303 gold bars that each weigh approximately 1 kilogram a 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.717 piece. >> Yo, that's a lot of weight. Yeah, I was 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:59.597 looking for a picture. There's only like AI photos of it 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:00.557 >> at least that I could find. 00:05:00.640 --> 00:05:02.637 >> So, a kilogram is 1.2.2 lb. 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:04.557 >> Yeah. 2.28 or something. >> That's crazy. 00:05:04.640 --> 00:05:08.077 >> 600. >> He's got 600 lb of gold. 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:10.957 >> Yeah. >> Where the do you put? So, he just had it in his house. 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.037 >> He did have it at his house and he laying around. 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:16.557 >> Bunch of Rolexes and all that. And >> Oh, so he was just going crazy. 00:05:16.640 --> 00:05:20.317 >> Yeah. Well, who knows what he was really going to use the gold for, but that 00:05:20.400 --> 00:05:21.837 that's an open-ended thing. And he was 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:24.557 he was pretending that he was using it 00:05:24.640 --> 00:05:27.917 for some disclosure type deal or did it 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:29.757 have anything to do with UAPs? 00:05:29.840 --> 00:05:32.557 >> Uh not that I'm aware of, but that same 00:05:32.640 --> 00:05:37.357 ecosystem I bumped into. So his fabricated program was a continuity 00:05:37.440 --> 00:05:40.477 government program. So that's like, you know, if something bad happens, 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:43.997 >> people are going to a hideout site, you know, sanitized location, 00:05:44.080 --> 00:05:48.237 >> right? >> And so what I bumped into unfortunately 00:05:48.320 --> 00:05:50.957 was like the deep underbelly of the federal government. We can get into it. 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:53.997 It's it's a lot of stuff I've never talked about because it's just very 00:05:54.080 --> 00:05:55.277 terrifying and I you know I've been 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:57.997 through a lot of a lot of crazy and 00:05:58.080 --> 00:06:01.037 I ended up bumping into a criminal 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:03.517 enterprise uh run out of a particular 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:08.557 agency and um it was basically um 00:06:08.640 --> 00:06:11.677 getting money through certain criminal 00:06:11.760 --> 00:06:16.317 endeavors the most unspeakable type of criminal endeavors under the cover of uh 00:06:16.400 --> 00:06:17.917 certain national security programs. 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:21.277 That's about as >> When you say certain unspeakable >> Yeah. 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:25.917 >> You mean like what do you mean like trafficking? 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:27.277 >> Yeah. 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:30.317 >> Like child trafficking. 00:06:30.400 --> 00:06:33.997 So the government was involved in child 00:06:34.080 --> 00:06:37.437 trafficking for money. >> Officers of the government. That's true. 00:06:37.520 --> 00:06:41.277 Yeah. It's it's up. I uh I briefed members in a classified setting 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:43.437 all the details. Um, and I I'm 00:06:43.520 --> 00:06:45.997 highlighting that because 00:06:46.080 --> 00:06:49.277 this is how serious this issue is is 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:53.357 there's an ecosystem and there's a lot of good people are on these programs in 00:06:53.440 --> 00:06:57.197 terms of the the UAP side. Yeah. And I know a lot of them. They're friends of 00:06:57.280 --> 00:06:59.917 mine. They're patriotic people doing their duty, but there is like a small 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:03.117 little cast system of characters um that 00:07:03.200 --> 00:07:07.437 are part of this larger ecosystem of uh no holds barred. we're going to do what 00:07:07.520 --> 00:07:10.557 we want and you know we're going to do whatever kind of criminal activity to 00:07:10.640 --> 00:07:14.557 get a washed money uh for our cutouts like so a good example of course would 00:07:14.640 --> 00:07:16.237 be Iran Contra right which is very 00:07:16.320 --> 00:07:20.717 famous 86 and the CIA was engaged in 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.597 those kind of activities and this has all been exposed all over north and all 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:25.837 that to fund the contras weapons 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:28.317 purchases procurement etc and a lot of 00:07:28.400 --> 00:07:32.957 that you know seemed to uh possibly be drug trafficking the government never 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:34.557 confirmed that but you look at Barry 00:07:34.640 --> 00:07:39.117 Seal and and his um uh statements in the 00:07:39.200 --> 00:07:44.237 80s and 90s and and it's likely that that um probably occurred, you know. 00:07:44.320 --> 00:07:46.717 >> Yeah. It was all through Freeway Ricky Ross. 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:49.757 >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah. Ricky's been on the podcast multiple times. 00:07:49.840 --> 00:07:50.717 >> That's right. That's right. 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:54.797 >> Yeah. He was on what is it like two years ago, year and a half ago. Last 00:07:54.880 --> 00:07:56.317 time he was on. Um 00:07:56.400 --> 00:07:59.357 >> it's funny cuz he's out now. Uh became 00:07:59.440 --> 00:08:04.317 an attorney while I was in jail. Found out learned to read first. Okay. 00:08:04.400 --> 00:08:08.877 Couldn't read. became an attorney in jail, found out that they tried him. You 00:08:08.960 --> 00:08:11.037 know that triple jeopardy, three strikes thing. 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.357 >> Yeah. >> They tried him incorrectly. They used 00:08:13.440 --> 00:08:15.997 that incorrectly because it's supposed to be three different times you were 00:08:16.080 --> 00:08:19.357 arrested instead of like three crimes that were attached to one arrest. So, he 00:08:19.440 --> 00:08:23.997 gets out of jail. Now, he sells legal weed. 00:08:24.080 --> 00:08:27.917 >> All right. All right. >> Lovely guy. But he he's a great guy, but 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:32.237 he had no idea that he was selling cocaine to fund the Contra versus the 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.437 Sandinistas. >> Interesting. He had no idea. He thought 00:08:35.520 --> 00:08:39.757 that he was just a a slick character that just knew what he was doing and 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.597 was, you know, he didn't realize that the CIA was literally allowing him to do 00:08:43.680 --> 00:08:47.117 it. Then we've also had Michael Roupert on the podcast. You know who he is? 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.437 >> No. >> Michael Roupert was the LA narcotics 00:08:49.520 --> 00:08:51.677 officer that on uh I believe it was on 00:08:51.760 --> 00:08:54.557 C-SPAN. He went on C-SPAN during a 00:08:54.640 --> 00:08:58.397 hearing and he exposed the entire or 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.037 organization selling drugs in South 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:05.997 Central Los Angeles because he was involved in it. He was involved in like 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:09.117 busting people that were doing it and then they told him he has to leave it 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:13.997 alone because it was the CIA. >> Yeah. Yeah. And so when I bumped into 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.037 that stuff, you know, I immediately worked at Department of Justice. 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.677 >> That's one level, but like child trafficking is another level. 00:09:19.760 --> 00:09:24.237 >> I know, man. It's it's really up and and there's a lot of details that 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:27.917 are I have a lot more questions than answers and and I you know I worked with 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:32.237 the OJ and you know from what I understand uh I got a gold star in a 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:34.717 brief to Cash Patel about it last year. 00:09:34.800 --> 00:09:36.157 I wasn't in the briefing, but I, you 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:39.517 know, I I was told I got kudos, but it 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.477 was very disturbing. And so, like, 00:09:42.560 --> 00:09:47.437 obviously, a lot of these programs are legal in the sense that there's in terms 00:09:47.520 --> 00:09:50.717 of UAP stuff, there's, you know, classified executive orders back in the 00:09:50.800 --> 00:09:54.237 day that covers them and >> and they're upstanding citizens and we 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:59.517 could we could litigate like, you know, uh, Congress wasn't necessarily brought 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:03.037 into the fold enough from an oversight perspective, etc. But, you know, the 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.357 core of the program, you know, does have 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:10.237 uh a legal beginning, but when you don't have oversight, unfortunately, certain 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:14.637 small pockets of people start doing that they shouldn't have. And I and 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:15.997 unfortunately, 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:17.917 >> I got deeply ins snared in that. There 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.397 was a very small group of people that 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.477 uh, you know, pushed me over the edge and I had to do what I got to do to to 00:10:26.560 --> 00:10:30.077 you know, protect myself. And I never wanted to be a whistleblower. You know, 00:10:30.160 --> 00:10:34.157 I was a deeply entrenched, you know, 15-year intel officer, military officer 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:37.677 in the Air Force. You know, I was working some of the country's most 00:10:37.760 --> 00:10:40.157 sensitive issues. You know, started going to the White House to brief the 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:41.597 National Security Council in my mid20s 00:10:41.680 --> 00:10:43.437 on space issues back during the Obama 00:10:43.520 --> 00:10:47.677 administration. And and in 2019 when I 00:10:47.760 --> 00:10:51.197 joined the UAP task force and I was tasked to investigate this, I was like, 00:10:51.280 --> 00:10:55.757 "Sure, I'll look into it." you know, the special access program or black program 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:59.437 community has a lot of dysfunction and and maybe some stuff wasn't reported, 00:10:59.520 --> 00:11:02.797 you know, you know, correctly and and I didn't know really what I was going to 00:11:02.880 --> 00:11:06.397 find, but if there was a US program, you know, I'd figure it out. I'd probably 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:08.397 get cleared to it and we'd be fine. We'd 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:11.037 have like a mafia meeting and and uh you 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:15.837 know that and I know why it was protected the way it is and whatnot. But 00:11:15.920 --> 00:11:17.837 unfortunately 00:11:17.920 --> 00:11:21.277 about a year and a half about October 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:26.077 2020 is when kind of my life changed and 00:11:26.160 --> 00:11:30.237 particular individuals instead of coming to me who knew me by the way personally 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:32.957 I know I know them personally now Dave 00:11:33.040 --> 00:11:37.597 you're bumping into something you know I'm going to defensively brief you this 00:11:37.680 --> 00:11:41.997 is what it is or hey I'm going to slide an NDA sign this and I'll read you in 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:45.997 and my colleagues and I joked about that like we're bumping in the 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:49.037 eventually somebody's going to knock on my door in my office and be like, "Hey, 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:53.837 I need to talk to you." And unfortunately, that never happens. Um, 00:11:53.920 --> 00:11:58.077 it's really tragic because that would have been an easier way. But, um, I 00:11:58.160 --> 00:12:00.717 immediately got administratively nuked 00:12:00.800 --> 00:12:04.877 in October 2020 and basically they went 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:09.917 after everybody around me. Uh my boss at the National Reconnaissance Office as 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:13.277 you know Major Gush the Air Force officer in the reserves got walked out 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:15.037 of NRO headquarters in Chantelli, 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:18.557 Virginia under fabricated 00:12:18.640 --> 00:12:22.477 uh personal conduct things and and they went after, you know, my chief of staff 00:12:22.560 --> 00:12:24.637 who worked for me at NGA when I was a 15 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.237 and and co-workers, people they thought 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.517 were my enablers, right? And um and I 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:34.957 thought, okay, I could fight this. 00:12:35.040 --> 00:12:37.357 They're bringing up like my mental health stuff, which we've talked about 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:40.397 before, Afghanistan PTSD. I'm like, I 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:44.557 reported it. I was cleared of, you know, no problems. Kept my top secret 00:12:44.640 --> 00:12:45.757 clearance, and I still have my top 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:50.317 secret clearance, but it got very, 00:12:50.400 --> 00:12:53.597 very um 00:12:53.680 --> 00:12:57.517 scary in early 2022. And I've avoided 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:01.997 talking about this for a long time. And I've mentioned in my hearing in 2023, 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:06.797 you know, I was, you know, I'm I'm here in fear for my life, etc. Well, you 00:13:06.880 --> 00:13:09.597 know, I'm not talking about the criminal stuff. I found stuff that's happened in 00:13:09.680 --> 00:13:11.677 my personal life and stuff. And so, back 00:13:11.760 --> 00:13:14.877 in early 2022, 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:18.797 um everything's fine. Uh started uh 00:13:18.880 --> 00:13:21.837 noticing some suspicious activity um 00:13:21.920 --> 00:13:25.837 near where I live and I didn't think much of it. Thought it was kind of 00:13:25.920 --> 00:13:28.157 strange. And I don't want to quite go 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.757 into all the details, but basically 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.117 um later one particular day 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:37.277 uh I was sent a message that they can 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:42.477 touch me and my wife and they they're they know where we are and they 00:13:42.560 --> 00:13:45.277 >> and what do you think this was particular? Was this because of the 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:47.277 child trafficking stuff? Was this 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:49.837 because of some other illegal activity 00:13:49.920 --> 00:13:52.957 with no oversight? you know, in private 00:13:53.040 --> 00:13:55.357 environments, I was asked what what red 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.557 line, what trip wire did I cross? To 00:13:58.640 --> 00:14:03.757 this day, I don't know specifically. I 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:08.557 suspect uh based on them, what turns out 00:14:08.640 --> 00:14:10.557 they were monitoring my classified 00:14:10.640 --> 00:14:14.157 computer at work, uh my re my 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:17.997 investigation notes that I would keep encrypted on there. I think they were 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:22.477 very worried that I figured out a lot of things. And I I still don't know for 00:14:22.560 --> 00:14:25.757 sure though, like and it and there's a lot of other things too. I guess I'm 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.477 kind of jumping around because um in 00:14:28.560 --> 00:14:31.837 early 2021, you know, certain people 00:14:31.920 --> 00:14:33.437 that were helping me and I was talking 00:14:33.520 --> 00:14:36.637 to started to experience uh Havana 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:40.637 syndrome symptoms, you know, anomalous health incidents. And I know a lot about 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:42.957 that. That's another kind of ecosystem I 00:14:43.040 --> 00:14:47.837 was an expert in in the government. And of course, my first thing is like, huh? 00:14:47.920 --> 00:14:51.197 Uh, did you piss off the Russians or Chinese or some other kind of foreign 00:14:51.280 --> 00:14:54.557 intelligence service or because you don't think domestic. And I'm like, what 00:14:54.640 --> 00:14:58.157 did you do in your career? Were you on covert action programs? Did you like, 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:02.637 you know, bomb some, you know, adversaries building and they're pissed 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:04.157 off at you and they hold a grudge? And 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:06.317 so I noticed that I wasn't going to 00:15:06.400 --> 00:15:09.757 equate that to the topic. And 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:14.717 uh but I I was very nervous about that because people I know uh were starting 00:15:14.800 --> 00:15:15.917 to experience those symptoms 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.957 specifically uh microwave directed 00:15:19.040 --> 00:15:24.477 energy most likely just based on um certain tradecraftraft they were doing 00:15:24.560 --> 00:15:27.597 to detect it which I won't get into the details of that and then the their 00:15:27.680 --> 00:15:30.877 symptomology so to speak and uh so that 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:36.317 was frightening and in in that 2021 time frame I was sitting at home I was 00:15:36.400 --> 00:15:41.837 getting you know investigated ated by three agencies and um I really didn't 00:15:41.920 --> 00:15:44.397 know what was going on. A lot of my colleagues were kind of continuing on 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:47.277 that investigation on on on my behalf 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:50.237 and eventually in late 2021 NGA hired me 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:52.877 as a 15 off the street. Kind of came 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:54.957 back into government full-time. I was 00:15:55.040 --> 00:15:57.757 hoping um that agency would protect me 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:00.637 against uh you know the CIA and the NRO 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:05.117 and and certain elements of the DoD that were going after me because of these 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:07.117 couple antagonists that were trying to 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:10.237 you know basically um push me over the 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:13.277 edge administratively. But 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:17.757 what what I crossed the Rubicon in early 2022 when I was sent a message and it 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:21.917 was this the same day I was sent a message other people got that message 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:27.037 too. So it was coordinated geographically and of course you know I reported that 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.477 to federal law enforcement count intelligence element and at the time I'm 00:16:30.560 --> 00:16:33.997 like well you know there was a one adversarial intelligence agency that had 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.757 an interest in me several years ago and I had a little incident that was 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:40.077 actually kind of funny. Um so I wasn't 00:16:40.160 --> 00:16:42.717 sure if it was like the US government or 00:16:42.800 --> 00:16:45.997 even if it was related um to the my 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:50.477 investigation. And then several several 00:16:50.560 --> 00:16:52.637 uh weeks later 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:54.797 and I was I get chills talking about 00:16:54.880 --> 00:16:57.597 this cuz it's it's kind of upsetting. Um 00:16:57.680 --> 00:17:02.157 I was uh in DC um for a conference on 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:04.957 UAP actually uh for my for my agency NGA 00:17:05.040 --> 00:17:08.157 at the time and I got summoned to an 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:09.677 offbooks 00:17:09.760 --> 00:17:12.637 uh Senate Intel committee uh we'll call 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:16.717 it meeting in their you know their skiff right their their vault where you can 00:17:16.800 --> 00:17:19.277 talk classified information and certain 00:17:19.360 --> 00:17:21.357 individuals were there known to me um 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:23.757 great credentials people I've known for 00:17:23.840 --> 00:17:27.437 a while uh in my line of work and so was 00:17:27.520 --> 00:17:29.917 you know a dozen dozen and a half uh 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:32.077 senior staff for Marco Rubio Mark 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:35.917 Wernern you know etc right and 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.637 in that meeting uh we you know we talked 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:43.277 about the legacy program the history many hours and I'm going to fly on the 00:17:43.360 --> 00:17:46.317 wall like this is really for Senate staff I'm just kind of sitting in the 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:50.077 back and you know they turned to staff 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:54.797 and they you know they pointed at me and they're like um oh by the way you know 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:57.517 the these couple individuals and they and they named the individuals. I'm 00:17:57.600 --> 00:18:00.077 like, I know who they are. Um 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:05.277 uh they uh wanted to kill you and um I 00:18:05.360 --> 00:18:08.317 know Lu Alazand talked about it, but why? 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:10.877 >> I do not know that for sure. I think 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:15.677 well so um 00:18:15.760 --> 00:18:19.997 be careful what I say. Uh there are certain presidential findings that allow 00:18:20.080 --> 00:18:21.757 certain things to protect critical 00:18:21.840 --> 00:18:26.157 things in the government. And my 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:29.757 assessment is I was getting so close to 00:18:29.840 --> 00:18:31.037 exposing it because I was sort of 00:18:31.120 --> 00:18:34.477 preparing my inspector general's uh 00:18:34.560 --> 00:18:39.597 report to the IG that um I must have crossed some sort of Rubicon. I still 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:42.877 would like to know and I hope these people are you know uh brought to 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:47.277 justice and that's you know my wish and dream and hopefully Department of 00:18:47.360 --> 00:18:51.677 Justice does what's needed. But >> there's an investigation ongoing right now. 00:18:51.760 --> 00:18:55.277 >> Yes. on that. And that's all I'll say defensively not to interfere with that. 00:18:55.360 --> 00:18:59.197 A good day starts with a solid morning routine. So if something's missing, if 00:18:59.280 --> 00:19:01.037 your body isn't getting what it needs, 00:19:01.120 --> 00:19:04.397 everything can feel off. AG1 is designed 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:07.357 to help fill the holes. Their NextGen 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:09.917 formula is dialed in with over 75 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:12.557 ingredients, minerals, vitamins, 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:14.957 adaptogens, and more. 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And they 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:41.997 decided, um, I was some sort of threat. 00:20:42.080 --> 00:20:46.557 And it's it's so disgusting because I you know like I said I was a fieldgrade 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:49.837 officer in the air force. I was a you know GS15 a CIA colon equivalent 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:53.277 civilian and I'm sitting there in Senate chambers and I'm hearing this and I 00:20:53.360 --> 00:20:56.557 won't get into all the details. in it a lot. I heard like you know all the 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:58.397 details on that and I don't want to like 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:01.837 um burn my sources and and I just 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.397 remember how upset the Senate staff was 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:09.357 and to the point where you know a particular staffer um who's very senior 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.477 went to his office and got some whiskey and you know all of them started 00:21:12.560 --> 00:21:15.757 drinking in the skiff because it's like everybody was afraid like are they 00:21:15.840 --> 00:21:20.157 serious? or like they literally were thinking about killing Dave and 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:24.797 like and and and I found out that there was a kibash to that. It's a longer 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:27.837 story for someday if I could ever, you know, discuss the whole the whole 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:30.797 history. And >> so it was considered but then it was kibos. 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:33.037 >> Yes. Thank God. And I know how it was 00:21:33.120 --> 00:21:35.277 stopped and I I owe some people a debt 00:21:35.360 --> 00:21:38.957 of gratitude literally. And um and this 00:21:39.040 --> 00:21:42.077 was just a few weeks after, you know, I 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.437 was sent a message and and even after 00:21:45.520 --> 00:21:49.357 the meeting um we were finding stuff and 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:52.237 other people were finding stuff um to 00:21:52.320 --> 00:21:54.317 let people know that they're being 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:57.677 tracked. And I know this sounds like so 00:21:57.760 --> 00:22:00.317 crazy and all that, but 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:03.197 >> Well, so does someone having $40 million 00:22:03.280 --> 00:22:07.517 in gold hanging out their house and a bunch of Rolexes. Never did I think, you 00:22:07.600 --> 00:22:11.437 know, I'm a very patriotic guy. I love serving America. You know, it hurts me 00:22:11.520 --> 00:22:12.957 every day not having the uniform 00:22:13.040 --> 00:22:17.757 anymore. And knowing that was the level 00:22:17.840 --> 00:22:20.317 that they thought about going to because 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:23.437 of this interesting interpretation of 00:22:23.520 --> 00:22:28.397 certain standing options. And I and 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:31.917 eventually in this disclosure process, a lot of that will come out. I just have 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:35.357 to be careful what I say now until, you know, the the president figures out how 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:38.157 to, you know, release some of this history, unfortunately. So, 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:41.917 >> understood. Yeah. So, one of the things that we talked about before, so you were 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:46.557 scheduled for another podcast a while back, but flights got cancelled when we 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:50.317 moved it today, but you were saying that it's actually fortuitous that it was 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:54.157 rescheduled. >> Yeah. A lot of things are happening. I 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:57.997 see the administration getting really really serious on this and I think 00:22:58.080 --> 00:23:00.637 people don't appreciate the courage that 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:04.157 Trump is is is showing right now uh 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:07.677 ordering the government to release everything we know about this topic. 00:23:07.760 --> 00:23:11.037 It'll be >> courage how so like you think he's in 00:23:11.120 --> 00:23:12.557 danger from releasing this information? 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:15.837 >> Not necessarily, but it's it's 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.197 um the ontological shock and the history 00:23:19.280 --> 00:23:23.757 coming out and sort of the outrage. I mean, I think it'll be uniting sort of 00:23:23.840 --> 00:23:27.597 like in post 911 America after the towers fell, right? You have the the 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:31.517 fear of dirty bombs and other terrorist attacks, but you also have this like 00:23:31.600 --> 00:23:34.157 uniting uh panacea that kind of brings people. 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.437 >> You think that is equivalent to what's happening right now? 00:23:37.520 --> 00:23:39.037 >> It will be and I think 00:23:39.120 --> 00:23:39.677 >> going to happen. 00:23:39.760 --> 00:23:45.277 >> So, I believe uh before Trump Trump's 00:23:45.360 --> 00:23:49.117 term ends that it's all going to come 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:53.837 out. What does that mean? >> Everything I've testified about, you 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:57.037 know, the fact that, you know, we've been studying this for a while. We've 00:23:57.120 --> 00:24:01.597 recovered material aka intact semi-intact craft. We've, you know, 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:03.197 recovered this anomalous intelligence 00:24:03.280 --> 00:24:05.837 piloting the craft. And, you know, we 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:09.037 are reverse engineering that. And 00:24:09.120 --> 00:24:11.437 obviously, there's other parts to that. 00:24:11.520 --> 00:24:15.437 It's very complicated ecosystem. A lot of people who are just release it all, 00:24:15.520 --> 00:24:17.517 show us Indiana Jones warehouse tour 00:24:17.600 --> 00:24:20.557 don't appreciate the care that we're 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.997 going to have to um proceed with because 00:24:24.080 --> 00:24:27.597 this is not a static ecosystem. This isn't just like archaeology where you're 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:29.597 digging up stuff. There is you are 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:33.677 dealing with you know third parties both 00:24:33.760 --> 00:24:37.117 human you know adversarial countries etc. they have their own program. Then 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:41.117 you have, you know, our this anomalous intelligence, our visitors, NHI, 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:43.997 whatever you want to call them, ultraterrestrial, depending on which 00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:47.837 taxonomy in the tree that you want to um 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:51.437 ascribe some of this origin to. And and 00:24:51.520 --> 00:24:55.517 of course, you know, the the national security related technology that has 00:24:55.600 --> 00:24:59.357 been derived, we've derived great stuff to defend America. I've had exposure on 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:02.957 that and you know, I'm very >> re it through back engineering. 00:25:03.040 --> 00:25:04.477 >> Yeah. >> 100%. 00:25:04.560 --> 00:25:07.997 >> Yes. Well, some of it it it was 00:25:08.080 --> 00:25:13.197 inspiration. It wasn't a a onetoone like we we we unlocked the iPhone. It was 00:25:13.280 --> 00:25:17.277 like, "Huh, that's an interesting material. Look at that um frequency 00:25:17.360 --> 00:25:19.117 selective surface property. You know 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:21.757 what? We could use that for an aerospace 00:25:21.840 --> 00:25:24.397 application or whatever." And so, a lot 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:27.037 of it was garnered via inspiration, not 00:25:27.120 --> 00:25:30.237 one to one. Yeah. In some cases, I 00:25:30.320 --> 00:25:32.237 suppose we did, but like that's been 00:25:32.320 --> 00:25:34.157 most of it. Yeah. So what's the holdup 00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:38.477 in terms of disclosure? 00:25:38.560 --> 00:25:41.357 >> I necessarily can't read the president's 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:44.397 mind. Uh there's certainly a uh 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:46.717 multilateral kind of diplomatic issue. I 00:25:46.800 --> 00:25:51.917 mean so we're in this this issue now where once we cross the Rubicon then we 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:55.117 affect allies and adversaries. You know our adversaries have programs. What are 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:59.837 they going to tell their citizenry? You have uh possible theological distress 00:25:59.920 --> 00:26:01.597 Vatican etc. And I'm, you know, I'm a 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:05.117 Catholic and I I certainly appreciate 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.717 uh the Vatican's long study on this subject and they just stayed quiet on 00:26:08.800 --> 00:26:10.797 what they know. And so it's there's a 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:13.357 lot of like collateral effects if you're 00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:16.637 not careful with certain stuff. you you 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:21.277 can you know trigger a response and there is great fear that uh I don't 00:26:21.360 --> 00:26:25.037 necessarily believe in this but like there has been assessments in the past 00:26:25.120 --> 00:26:29.917 that you know revealing certain things may you know trigger a response from a 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.597 third party >> trigger a response from them from these 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.877 >> possibly entities yes and that is a 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:41.837 >> that has been written up uh government think tanks wrote that up in reports to 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:45.357 previous presidents >> so the the the theory is that we 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:50.317 disclosed people are now aware of it all over the globe and they decide to show 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:53.037 themselves. >> Yeah. I mean, I think there's a real 00:26:53.120 --> 00:26:55.117 fear of like a Ghostbusters moment, I'll 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:59.197 say. And Oh, boy. You know, and 00:26:59.280 --> 00:27:01.997 it's one of those things where 00:27:02.080 --> 00:27:07.037 I I'm trying to walk the line and be as 00:27:07.120 --> 00:27:11.037 diplomatic as possible and also trying to prepare the populace at the same time 00:27:11.120 --> 00:27:14.637 because clearly the government hasn't right now. And I mean, Trump wants it 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:17.037 out for sure. His team needs to be 00:27:17.120 --> 00:27:19.357 astute enough to know what to ask for. 00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.637 Uh, you know, massage the deep state and 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:27.277 and get that information because we just saw Tim Bchett on Benny Johnson's 00:27:27.360 --> 00:27:30.477 podcast talk about uh Steven Miller called him and was like, "Hey, I'm 00:27:30.560 --> 00:27:34.957 getting blocked like physically blocked from access to a lot of this stuff." 00:27:35.040 --> 00:27:38.397 And, you know, that's very concerning. I I would say Steven Miller is an alpha 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:43.117 dog. He's a pitbull. And as a fellow alpha, I do appreciate his 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.357 >> That's a silly thing to say. You know that, right? 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:50.237 >> What? >> A fellow alpha. >> Fellow alpha. 00:27:50.320 --> 00:27:53.197 >> Opens yourself up to like tremendous amounts of ridicule. 00:27:53.280 --> 00:27:57.437 >> Yeah, I know. I know. I mean, nobody's perfect and I know everybody has their 00:27:57.520 --> 00:28:02.077 faults, but I do appreciate >> the ferveny. he is attacking the issue 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.917 behind the scenes and I just I think he 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:09.357 needs guided the right way and informed and and kind of how how to cut this 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:12.877 deal. You know, like >> I met him very briefly at the UFC event 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.477 at the White House and he told me that it's going to come out. I'm like, okay, 00:28:16.560 --> 00:28:17.677 >> that's good. Well, there you go. 00:28:17.760 --> 00:28:18.957 >> It was really quick. >> Yeah. 00:28:19.040 --> 00:28:21.757 >> Was like he's like, I'm just I know you're interested in this. This is 00:28:21.840 --> 00:28:23.117 literally all we talked about. 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:24.637 >> The UFO thing is going to come out. 00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:27.037 >> Yeah. >> Like, okay, when when's that coming out? 00:28:27.120 --> 00:28:29.917 Let's go. >> Exactly. and and and and Trump 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.997 understands the subject pretty good and you know he's in the know and 00:28:34.080 --> 00:28:36.317 he understands some of the implications. 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:40.717 So I like I said he has a lot of courage because this is likely going to change 00:28:40.800 --> 00:28:44.877 society in a big way. I can't necess I'm not like a social anthropologist or a 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:49.437 psychiatrist like I can't necessarily predict in what specific ways it might 00:28:49.520 --> 00:28:54.237 reduce you know feudal nation state peer competition and other things. Uh, but it 00:28:54.320 --> 00:28:57.197 is going to change and I and I think when people look back at this interview, 00:28:57.280 --> 00:29:01.037 it's gonna be very haunting because I think in short order, you know, before 00:29:01.120 --> 00:29:05.277 Trump leaves office, we're going to be in a new paradigm. And I'm normally a 00:29:05.360 --> 00:29:10.557 very pessimistic, cynical person. A lot of my friends know that. But I I have 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:11.917 great confidence that the president is 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.757 doing the right thing. And I I I feel um 00:29:15.840 --> 00:29:19.757 there's eventually going to there the people that are in charge of this are 00:29:19.840 --> 00:29:23.197 going to have to comply with the the president's order. And uh but there's a 00:29:23.280 --> 00:29:27.277 right way of of doing this, I think. And I, like I said, I'm not some sick of fan 00:29:27.360 --> 00:29:31.677 for the deep state. I'm a whistleblower, obviously. And you know, I have um 00:29:31.760 --> 00:29:33.837 philosophical differences about how this 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:36.237 was kept and how they could possibly 00:29:36.320 --> 00:29:41.757 reveal stuff. But I I am surprisingly confident, which is which is kind of 00:29:41.840 --> 00:29:46.077 weird for me to say because I just see the tea leaves. I know Miller's serious. 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.277 Um there's other people in government serious. I mean, even see Aaron Lucas, 00:29:49.360 --> 00:29:52.957 the PDDNI, the deputy director of national intelligence, you know, sign 00:29:53.040 --> 00:29:56.797 these big NDA waiverss. It includes like any kind of waiver of not even telling 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.637 the president, sorry, you have to tell us kind of thing. And and so you you're 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.157 seeing kind of the the chess board being set. I know everybody's not happy with 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.837 the tranches coming out with the lowhanging fruit videos and and 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:09.437 recordings and stuff. And Representative 00:30:09.520 --> 00:30:11.197 Burlson and I before I left his office 00:30:11.280 --> 00:30:15.197 recently got um a 1952 recording that 00:30:15.280 --> 00:30:19.117 was still classified from Blue Book talking about the seriousness of this 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:23.117 issue and all the crazy that they're seeing near nuclear sites and 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:24.717 test ranges, which is interesting 00:30:24.800 --> 00:30:27.997 because in in uh that video that's been 00:30:28.080 --> 00:30:32.077 declassified, it mentions the very sites that in modern day have that same 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:36.477 anomalous activity to include stuff in the Southwest. So I can't say where it's 00:30:36.560 --> 00:30:40.317 in the ecosystem in the open source, but the the executive branch hasn't 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:43.837 acknowledged what specific test and training range. They're seeing crazy 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:46.077 orbs that they can't explain this acost 00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:49.117 helicopters and and all that. So 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.717 >> um so is Trump experiencing resistance 00:30:52.800 --> 00:30:55.197 in your opinion? 00:30:55.280 --> 00:30:59.437 >> Yes. Um, and I don't know all the 00:30:59.520 --> 00:31:02.717 details, but uh, clearly clearly Miller 00:31:02.800 --> 00:31:07.037 has, and a lot of it is, I think, and I can't read the mind of the deep state, 00:31:07.120 --> 00:31:11.437 but as a former deep stater, uh, I would say that there's always been this kind 00:31:11.520 --> 00:31:15.437 of disdain for political appointees and they don't and members of Congress, like 00:31:15.520 --> 00:31:18.157 they don't they don't have the reverence on this issue. They're going to it 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.757 up. They're going to, you know, say something that they shouldn't have about 00:31:21.840 --> 00:31:24.477 a classified program. And um that's why 00:31:24.560 --> 00:31:25.917 some classified programs are kept from 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.197 Congress. It's called waved programs. Um 00:31:29.280 --> 00:31:32.877 and uh the only presidents that were 00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:36.637 really really involved were the ones like HW Bush, right? He was CI director. 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:40.797 He was fully briefed on this issue. A lot of that lore is true about HW Bush. 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:43.277 Cheney, like I've talked about, fully in 00:31:43.360 --> 00:31:45.757 this. He was the mob boss for many 00:31:45.840 --> 00:31:48.157 years. He was kind of the head of this 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.997 activity. And so I think there's some um 00:31:52.080 --> 00:31:55.837 testing of the waters right now. It's kind of like cat's paw dynamic, like you 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:58.157 know, we'll give you a little bit of this, a little bit of that, and they're 00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:02.237 they're seeing how the administration is going to potentially roll this out. And 00:32:02.320 --> 00:32:04.477 and obviously if the White House wants 00:32:04.560 --> 00:32:07.357 my opinion, I'm available. But um I do 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.357 trust the president's team hopefully 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:12.397 will be able to handle this. And because 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:16.957 I if Trump doesn't enforce his order and see this through, I don't think any 00:32:17.040 --> 00:32:20.557 other president is going to be able. I mean I mean regardless of Democrat, 00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.997 left, right, whatever, like if he follows through on this, he's going to 00:32:24.080 --> 00:32:26.157 be the goat. He's going to be a legend. 00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:29.357 And you know, all the other things people have problems with in his 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.077 presidency, Iran, whatever, I think this 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.517 will um wipe those out. and this is like 00:32:35.600 --> 00:32:40.237 really important for his legacy to initiate the process before the 28 00:32:40.320 --> 00:32:44.797 election. Then there's like a hot handoff to the next um administration. 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:48.157 And you know, if Trump's a political animal, he could easily line up a 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:52.397 Republican team on the 28 ticket to basically, you know, be his continuity 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:54.957 on this, too. I think that'd be very smart. And 00:32:55.040 --> 00:33:00.077 >> so this is going to take a long time to release. Is that how you're 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.397 >> projecting this? >> That was always the plan back in the 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.757 day. I just because it's like an anestization and climatization process. 00:33:07.840 --> 00:33:10.957 It's like, you know, okay, we're gonna focus on this topic. Everybody's this is 00:33:11.040 --> 00:33:14.077 going to get normalized. The temperature is going to cool and then we're going to 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:18.637 bring in this shocking thing. >> So, there's a there's a schedule like in 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.517 terms of like the psychological impact on the populace. 00:33:21.600 --> 00:33:23.837 >> There was in the past in terms of 00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:26.957 certain um government think tanks wrote 00:33:27.040 --> 00:33:31.357 classified assessments for uh previous presidents on this. I don't know what 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:34.637 the current plan is. I'm just uh I'm currently literally a private citizen 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.117 right now. But if they're going to do 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.637 what they did in the past, it is 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.037 >> and the slow roll out has its pluses and 00:33:43.120 --> 00:33:47.837 minuses. Like I would say due to human factors, risks of adversarial countries 00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:51.597 getting ahead of us, other whistleblowers, whatever. You probably 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:55.597 have to roll this out in at least like 12 months and whatnot. But we're in a 00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:58.077 precarious time if the administration 00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:02.797 doesn't start because uh China and Russia could take advantage of this 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:06.077 moment now. Our weakness, you know, China has their famous uh belt and road 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:10.157 initiative. Uh China has admitted publicly that they have a UAP task 00:34:10.240 --> 00:34:11.757 force. Obviously, they have more than 00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.077 that behind the scenes. And they 00:34:14.160 --> 00:34:19.037 actually announced that when the DoD UAP task force was announced, you can find a 00:34:19.120 --> 00:34:22.877 news article from June 2020 in the South China Morning Post where they talk about 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:24.317 they're analyzing these encounters. 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:26.637 They're using AI, etc. So, 00:34:26.720 --> 00:34:28.797 >> do you feel that China has or do you 00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:32.557 know if China has these crashed vehicles 00:34:32.640 --> 00:34:35.837 as well? >> There's parallel programs. 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.397 >> There's parallel programs. Now, one of 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:42.957 the things that Diana Pulka said when and and Gary Nolan refers to in the same 00:34:43.040 --> 00:34:47.117 way as well, they they refer to them as donations. 00:34:47.200 --> 00:34:50.797 >> Yeah, that's what's really interesting is I am aware of certain historical 00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:52.077 retrieval rules where they were like 00:34:52.160 --> 00:34:54.557 perfectly landed and it wasn't like a 00:34:54.640 --> 00:34:57.917 crash and what is what's going on there? 00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:01.357 I'm sure we've done a deep assessment. I 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:04.957 never had access to that kind of information. I'm sure that we understand 00:35:05.040 --> 00:35:08.797 why that happened at some level, but that is true that that's actually happened. 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.197 >> So the theory is that they want us to 00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:13.597 find these things so that we can examine 00:35:13.680 --> 00:35:18.317 the technology and perhaps work from it, 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:22.397 >> like engineer it or like you were saying before, gain inspiration to try new 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:26.077 >> Yeah. I mean, part of it's like throw in the gorilla banana, see if it can peel 00:35:26.160 --> 00:35:28.877 it. But also, the the more skeptical 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:33.917 intel officer in me is like, is this a Trojan horse? Do you want us to uh 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:35.757 figure things out and then get then get 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:37.997 addicted to certain type of technology 00:35:38.080 --> 00:35:41.277 and then that creates a control loop uh 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:43.357 where they start handling us whether we 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.917 need raw resources to maintain a certain 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:51.197 technology or as in this intelligence whatever this is this nonhuman 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.637 intelligence 00:35:52.720 --> 00:35:56.637 >> right so if if it is a if it is a 00:35:56.720 --> 00:36:01.757 donation do you feel like this donation is evenly distributed amongst world 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:03.517 powers. 00:36:03.600 --> 00:36:07.357 >> You know, I do not know the the the 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.357 statistical distribution. That's very 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:12.157 interesting. I I never understood the 00:36:12.240 --> 00:36:16.477 total number of retrievalss in um other countries participated in. 00:36:16.560 --> 00:36:18.877 >> Well, there's supposed to be quite a few in the United States. 00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:22.077 >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's for sure. I don't know the answer to that actually. 00:36:22.160 --> 00:36:26.317 I'm sure there's a statistical analysis that'll come out in this process. You 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:30.797 know, >> do you think there's any shared information between these governments? 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:32.077 Do you think they communicate? 00:36:32.160 --> 00:36:37.037 >> There is a a gentleman's agreement. Uh the the top layer of it I can talk 00:36:37.120 --> 00:36:40.557 about, and I've talked about it previously, so it's not um anything 00:36:40.640 --> 00:36:45.357 super new. If you look at the accident measures agreement of 1971, which which 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.517 is the short title of this god-awfully long title treaty that was signed in 00:36:49.600 --> 00:36:51.917 September 1971, 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.157 you'll see article three of the treaty 00:36:54.240 --> 00:36:56.637 talks about UAP. And hey, if you see any 00:36:56.720 --> 00:37:01.437 unidentified objects around your nuclear or critical critical comms facilities, 00:37:01.520 --> 00:37:02.717 please call us, bro. And that was 00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:06.717 between the USSR in America. And then uh 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:10.957 in 2013, the classified annex of that treaty got declassified. You can find it 00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:15.197 online at George Washington University National Security Archives, but it gives 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.757 the nuke flash like the red line like 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.637 code to say it was like Adam222, Adam 00:37:20.720 --> 00:37:22.957 333, and that's all declassified. and he 00:37:23.040 --> 00:37:24.877 would send that to the the Kremlin like 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.237 hey uh we see weird around 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.437 uh plac uh it's not us it's not a false 00:37:31.520 --> 00:37:34.397 flag and vice versa and so there was a 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:38.077 redline comms for UAP activity between u 00:37:38.160 --> 00:37:41.677 Russia and the US and of course Russia and US during the Cold War had a mutual 00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:43.757 notification treaty for space launch 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.957 vehicle and ICBM launches etc. Weirdly 00:37:47.040 --> 00:37:49.197 enough, we've never had that with China. 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.957 Even to this day, we don't have a mutual, this is crazy. We don't have a 00:37:53.040 --> 00:37:57.837 mutual notification. If they're going to do like a a sub submarine launched 00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:59.437 ballistic missile test out of, you know, 00:37:59.520 --> 00:38:01.997 off their coast, they're not obligated 00:38:02.080 --> 00:38:05.277 by treaty to tell us. So, and sometimes 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:09.997 they don't with certain national security activities. and and so uh 00:38:10.080 --> 00:38:14.637 Northern Command, NORAD, Missile Warning Center, other other places, uh NSA, 00:38:14.720 --> 00:38:18.877 DefMAC and Laurel, Maryland have to be on their agame to like make sure it was 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.357 like a test because the Chinese aren't 00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.277 obligated to tell us. And I um a crazy 00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.157 story in that regard. The Indians did 00:38:28.240 --> 00:38:32.877 something like that to us. I was on duty in the NRO operations center. And by the 00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:34.317 way, I got this clear through security, 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:38.797 so you know, NRO, don't shank me. Um uh 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:41.357 basically there was an unexpected 00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:46.717 Indian uh missile test that hit one of their satellites in 2019. I think it was 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:48.637 like March of 2019. >> One of our satellites. 00:38:48.720 --> 00:38:53.437 >> Oh no, not our uh one of their uh weather. Yeah. Their own defunct weather 00:38:53.520 --> 00:38:55.997 satellite and >> on purpose or an accident? 00:38:56.080 --> 00:38:59.037 >> On purpose. And >> they shot down one of their own satellites 00:38:59.120 --> 00:39:02.157 >> and they didn't tell us. I remember in my office at like all these different 00:39:02.240 --> 00:39:05.837 phones. I'm like calling the embassy all this. I'm like what the you know, 00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:10.157 and because we were worried at the NRO about the debris because we fly space, 00:39:10.240 --> 00:39:12.717 you know, spy satellites. That's the mission of the National Reconnaissance 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:16.317 Office and I was the backup director of intelligence as a reser at the 00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.757 operations center where I was, you know, also handling the PDB for the director 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:24.797 and I, you know, led the director's briefing team and, you know, I'm like 00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:27.837 going to the orbital analysts on the watch floor with all the crazy screens 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:31.597 like calculate the the the debris field, you know, let me know if we have to 00:39:31.680 --> 00:39:33.357 maneuver something and blah blah blah. 00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:37.357 I'm like running up to the director's office in my uniform, you know, out of 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:41.197 breath. I'm like, "Holy shit." You know, um, and it was kind of a big deal. And 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:45.277 that's publicly, you know, you can Google that now. And, um, I remember 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:49.277 when that went down, it was pretty crazy. So, >> that sounds completely insane. 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:53.037 >> Yeah. >> So, are there other countries besides 00:39:53.120 --> 00:39:57.837 China, Russia, and US that supposedly have access to these vehicles? 00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.557 >> Yeah. >> Which other countries can you say? that 00:40:00.640 --> 00:40:03.997 I don't want to get into cuz that gets into some sensitive stuff, 00:40:04.080 --> 00:40:06.637 >> right? Um, supposedly this is like one 00:40:06.720 --> 00:40:11.197 of the best legends that there's a a craft that's so large they couldn't move 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:15.437 it so they had to make a building around it and it's supposedly in Korea. 00:40:15.520 --> 00:40:20.077 >> A legend? >> I don't know. >> Oh, yeah. You do know. How dare you? 00:40:20.160 --> 00:40:22.797 But if you heard you've heard that rumor, I'm sure online. 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:24.397 >> I've heard that rumor online. Yeah. 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:25.917 >> Yeah. You don't know anything about that? 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:28.237 >> Yeah. We'll let the federal government. 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:31.037 Do you have any personal experience with any of this stuff? 00:40:31.120 --> 00:40:34.317 >> You know, it's funny you asked that. I, 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.197 as far as I can remember, I have no 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:41.757 experience with the phenomenon. Like a lot of a lot of people in this, I guess, 00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.357 ufology or whatever you want to call it, they have that personal experience like, 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:48.157 oh yeah, when I was a kid, I saw an orb or whatever. And 00:40:48.240 --> 00:40:52.637 >> I have zero. I've seen a couple interesting things in the sky that, you 00:40:52.720 --> 00:40:54.077 know, could have been satellite passes. 00:40:54.160 --> 00:40:57.597 I've been an amateur astronomer besides having a physics degree. I've been an 00:40:57.680 --> 00:41:00.797 amateur astronomer since like I was like in middle school like 12 13 years old 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:03.357 and and I still have never seen anything 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:07.997 in my personal life uh in a stupendous nature. I've never had any kind of 00:41:08.080 --> 00:41:10.957 spooky woo stuff happen >> never been visited. 00:41:11.040 --> 00:41:14.957 >> No. and and and that's why like I was open to this you know I'm a child of the 00:41:15.040 --> 00:41:18.717 80 well I grew up at I was born in the 80s you know most of my childhood was in 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.037 the 90s and you know I watched XFiles 00:41:21.120 --> 00:41:24.237 and Star Trek Next Gen and of course I'm 00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:29.197 like you know I'm a precocious teen reading like brief history time and you 00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.557 know Isaac Azimov and I'm learning about the Draco equation I'm like there's 00:41:32.640 --> 00:41:37.357 probably life but who knows and I'm I'm open to it and then you know when I got 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.317 in into the intelligence community that's like the first thing I looked up 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:41.917 like on the I'm like on the computer. 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.397 I'm like I go on to a certain database. 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:48.557 I'm like type it in Area 51, you know, UFOs. Like everybody's done that who's 00:41:48.640 --> 00:41:51.597 who's gone through intel school whether they admit it or not. And of course, I 00:41:51.680 --> 00:41:53.197 didn't see anything or anything. 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.677 >> Um the only thing I bumped into early in 00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:58.397 my career in like 2009, I remember 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.277 reading the OSAP uh the Defense 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:05.597 Intelligence reference documents, the DIDs, and at the time I had no idea what 00:42:05.680 --> 00:42:09.597 they were doing. And turns out it was obviously UAP related, but I was reading 00:42:09.680 --> 00:42:12.317 why why is the DIA looking into magneto 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:16.317 hydrodnamic propulsion and uh cloaking 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:17.997 and all all this other stuff. And of 00:42:18.080 --> 00:42:20.397 course I find out later what it was, but 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.677 I had absolutely no uh personal 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:28.317 experience and even professionally uh for most of my career. Now I found 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:32.237 out behind the scenes later like, "Oh, you remember that top secret program 00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:36.717 you're working on, Dave? you were actually uh looking for UAP and you 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:40.397 didn't know it. I'm like what? And and of course, you know, I find out and I 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:44.557 learn about, you know, how they hid all this infrastructure and they used a lot 00:42:44.640 --> 00:42:48.797 of conventional national security intelligence collection architecture to 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:52.477 basically facilitate this crash retrieval program, which makes sense 00:42:52.560 --> 00:42:56.317 because they're not going to reinvent the wheel and, you know, totally have a 00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.877 separate infrastructure to use to like 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.517 figure out if stuff crashed, activity, 00:43:01.600 --> 00:43:06.237 etc., right? And um you know early I 00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:10.477 would say about 10 years into my career I remember 00:43:10.560 --> 00:43:14.557 some imagery analysts saying hey Dave you know like uh they told us to 00:43:14.640 --> 00:43:18.957 airbrush some stuff out of photos and stuff and it was round and I'm like okay 00:43:19.040 --> 00:43:20.157 dude well maybe that's something you're 00:43:20.240 --> 00:43:22.477 not clear to or whatever. And I do 00:43:22.560 --> 00:43:26.637 remember that and I had some suspicious 00:43:26.720 --> 00:43:30.237 recruitment earlier in my career too. I was on some really sensitive stuff that 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.557 I ended up finding out it was um directly adjacent to the program and I 00:43:34.640 --> 00:43:39.437 went through this whole like smoking man recruitment thing for a year and you 00:43:39.520 --> 00:43:43.277 know was told I was going to get these kind of bizarre accesses and I'm like 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:46.477 what are you talking about and ultimately I was never recruited and I 00:43:46.560 --> 00:43:50.157 kind of just like put filed that in the back of my brain for years but like I've 00:43:50.240 --> 00:43:52.397 said uh you know before it wasn't until 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:55.517 like spring of 2017 I was at the CIA 00:43:55.600 --> 00:43:57.917 briefing um the deputy director staff on 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:01.037 a bunch of DoD classified programs and 00:44:01.120 --> 00:44:05.837 the chief of um a very sensitive office at the agency pulled me aside and was 00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.757 like, "Dave, what what do you know about UFOs? Like uh I hear there's like a 00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:11.517 program at the Pentagon and all that." 00:44:11.600 --> 00:44:14.557 And and and I'm like, "I don't know." 00:44:14.640 --> 00:44:17.357 Like I'm briefed almost every DoD program at the time by the way and 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:20.557 hundreds of of of programs in the intelligence community because I was in 00:44:20.640 --> 00:44:23.677 a position of very high trust and I you know I'm very patriotic and I'm very 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:25.837 humbled that I was in a position like 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:28.477 that in my 30s and and I didn't think 00:44:28.560 --> 00:44:31.597 anything of it until until this this 00:44:31.680 --> 00:44:33.437 subject got more popularized people went 00:44:33.520 --> 00:44:35.757 public you know Tom Dong TTSA and all 00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:39.037 that and and and then I was 00:44:39.120 --> 00:44:40.877 professionally interested but not really 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.757 working on it in 2018 and then early in 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.037 19 is when I got brought on as the NRO 00:44:47.120 --> 00:44:51.517 rep to the the then Navy task force which became the DoD's, you know, UAP 00:44:51.600 --> 00:44:55.357 task force. That's kind of my origin story. And and so I was always I'm 00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:58.957 always been curious, but I never saw evidence and I never had any personal 00:44:59.040 --> 00:45:03.837 experience with the phenomenon that kind of kind of colors my uh judgment on 00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:07.677 this, I guess. So, >> so I'm sure you're aware of how put off 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:11.437 when he was uh tasked by the Bush administration along with a bunch of 00:45:11.520 --> 00:45:15.197 other thinkers to try to come up with pros and cons for disclosure. 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:16.877 >> Yeah, I knew some other people in that 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:19.357 meeting and I verified that meeting took 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:24.317 place and even even Arrow admitted in their volume one report which was 00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:26.077 horrible. Well, that's a long story. 00:45:26.160 --> 00:45:31.597 Painful. Uh, that it it took place, but it was just a hypothetical scenario at a 00:45:31.680 --> 00:45:34.637 a fedally funded research and development center in Northern Virginia. 00:45:34.720 --> 00:45:35.597 >> What year was this? 00:45:35.680 --> 00:45:39.437 >> 2004. It was like November of 2004. And 00:45:39.520 --> 00:45:42.477 it's like, but why was it hypothetical 00:45:42.560 --> 00:45:45.357 if it's not real? Nobody explains that. 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.797 And obviously the story is, you know, Steve Hadley, who was the national 00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:53.437 security adviser, uh, sponsored it. You know, I I believe Hadley denies it, but 00:45:53.520 --> 00:45:56.877 you know, who knows if Steve would uh you know, tell the truth on that just 00:45:56.960 --> 00:46:00.237 because of the sensitivity. So, >> and so for people that don't know what 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:02.077 happened, supposedly they brought in a 00:46:02.160 --> 00:46:04.317 bunch of different thought leaders and 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.597 they gave them uh a pro and a con side, 00:46:07.680 --> 00:46:11.597 like what would be negatively affected by disclosure, what would be positively 00:46:11.680 --> 00:46:15.117 affected by disclosure, and attached a numerical value to each group. 00:46:15.200 --> 00:46:17.117 >> Correct. They had like a computer system 00:46:17.200 --> 00:46:21.037 there that like tabulated everything from what I know talking to other 00:46:21.120 --> 00:46:24.877 attendees >> and virtually every one of them had more 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.197 negative than positive and so the decision was made to not disclose. 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.037 >> Well, yeah. And in the main decision, if 00:46:31.120 --> 00:46:33.757 I remember correctly was the federal 00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.717 contracts fraud. Well, that could be 00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:38.557 debated in, you know, the Supreme Court. 00:46:38.640 --> 00:46:42.957 But uh they realized a lot of and so this is another issue of disclosure 00:46:43.040 --> 00:46:46.237 besides the onlogical thought shock and people can't handling it and like 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:48.957 >> misappropriation of funds. >> Yeah. And misappropriation of funds and 00:46:49.040 --> 00:46:51.997 all that. It's oh so these set of 00:46:52.080 --> 00:46:56.157 contractors got sole source contracts and exclusive access to this for 00:46:56.240 --> 00:46:59.597 internal research and development where they figure out something then sell it 00:46:59.680 --> 00:47:03.837 back to the government etc. for all these decades. What about my mid-level 00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:08.717 small business and my contractor and blah blah blah. And so you're going to 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:11.757 they were afraid that you would see legal challenges going to the Supreme 00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:14.957 Court in violation of what they call the DEFARS, right? The defense federal 00:47:15.040 --> 00:47:16.637 acquisition regulations, >> right? 00:47:16.720 --> 00:47:20.077 >> And the the government would be liable 00:47:20.160 --> 00:47:22.397 for who knows billions of 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.037 dollars worth of monies that they spent 00:47:25.120 --> 00:47:30.237 on this to these contractor partners that got in back in the day and like, 00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.677 well, we're not exposing any more people. We're locking it down. and what 00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:37.677 they call a JNA, justification and approval for a soul source contract. 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.957 This is a reason national security like we can't expose any more people to this. 00:47:41.040 --> 00:47:45.437 And of course that also causes a brain drain and group think and and actually 00:47:45.520 --> 00:47:47.917 hurts the defense uh industrial base. 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:50.557 But that was the main reason. It wasn't 00:47:50.640 --> 00:47:53.117 oh uh you know upcoming millennials that 00:47:53.200 --> 00:47:55.437 are turning 18 can't handle it. It was 00:47:55.520 --> 00:48:00.317 like yeah we're we're kind of culpable and kind of a up contractual 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.437 relationship. And and that's going to be something that the the Trump 00:48:03.520 --> 00:48:06.877 administration is going to have to deal with. It's like, well, how do I reorient 00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:11.197 the defense and industrial base? I mean, this could trigger a golden era of 00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:15.517 innovation in America. More people get to play. You overtly can take the basic 00:48:15.600 --> 00:48:19.757 information that's not sensitive um and put it into academia, right? So, you 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.917 have undergraduate, graduate, post-doal programs, and you actually create this 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:28.637 like more educated workforce to actually benefit national security. But, and and 00:48:28.720 --> 00:48:32.557 China doesn't have this issue. They're they're pulling people from pick a 00:48:32.640 --> 00:48:35.997 university in China, Nanjing, whatever university, and they're sucking them 00:48:36.080 --> 00:48:40.877 into these programs and but in America, we don't have that kind of permissive 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.637 totalitarian environment. So, >> well, in China, they probably don't have 00:48:44.720 --> 00:48:47.677 the issue with misappropriation of funds and lying to Congress. 00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:49.837 >> No, CCP, baby. You know, do whatever you want. 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:53.117 >> They do whatever they want. So, they don't have to worry about liability. So, 00:48:53.200 --> 00:48:57.197 this is one of the things that came up in that film, Age of Disclosure, is that 00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.117 you're going to have to make some sort 00:48:59.200 --> 00:49:01.117 of a amnesty program. 00:49:01.200 --> 00:49:05.197 >> Yeah. And I'm I am for that as long it's 00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:09.037 like use immunity for specific uh testimony or 00:49:09.120 --> 00:49:12.157 >> as long as it doesn't cover like this other you're talking about. 00:49:12.240 --> 00:49:14.637 >> Like my and of course I know who's 00:49:14.720 --> 00:49:16.237 watching people clearly that are from 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.517 this ecosystem. Um, you know, I would, 00:49:19.600 --> 00:49:24.477 you know, expect that like everybody's been basically good Americans. There's a 00:49:24.560 --> 00:49:27.517 small cast of characters that have done unspeakable things. I mean, how they 00:49:27.600 --> 00:49:31.437 wanted to kill me. This is like it's disturbing and and you wonder why I 00:49:31.520 --> 00:49:34.077 had to become a whistleblower. I didn't want to do this but like I was 00:49:34.160 --> 00:49:36.557 pushed over the edge uh to do that, you 00:49:36.640 --> 00:49:40.637 know? I digress. But like besides like 00:49:40.720 --> 00:49:43.037 bluecollar really up criminal 00:49:43.120 --> 00:49:47.757 shits, which you know, once again, there is a judicial justice process in 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.757 America, you know, we're not going to do street justice here. We will, you know, 00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:55.757 take care of that professionally. Um, like I took care of the other criminal 00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:59.357 stuff I found out professionally. I'm like, look, I'm, you know, and and and 00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:04.077 when I was doing that, I mean, I was meeting people body armor armed with 00:50:04.160 --> 00:50:07.357 colleagues of mine that were, you know, rolling heavy, too. And like it was a 00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.157 very serious part of my investigation. 00:50:10.240 --> 00:50:14.797 But yeah, I I believe in amnesty, but I I think we need to do it like a truth 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.317 and reconciliation commission, which was in post-apartid South Africa in the 90s 00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:22.797 where you had um you know, some white farmer comes in, it's like, yeah, I 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.837 murdered a bunch of black people or whatever, you know, and it's like, okay, 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:29.117 thank you for telling us that. You're good. You know, don't do it again and 00:50:29.200 --> 00:50:32.477 move on. I'm I mean, I'm distilling it down, but that's essentially what the 00:50:32.560 --> 00:50:36.557 TRC in South Africa was. And I think something like that would be very 00:50:36.640 --> 00:50:40.157 additive and good because I mean I have friends that run the program. They're 00:50:40.240 --> 00:50:41.837 they're great guys. They're bros you 00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:45.117 know and gals and um they you know were 00:50:45.200 --> 00:50:49.597 signed paperwork you know it was like if you you know divulge this it's under 00:50:49.680 --> 00:50:54.237 penalty of treason you go to Levvenworth or you know capital punishment. 00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.677 >> And yeah >> let's break down what you know. 00:50:57.760 --> 00:50:59.197 >> Yeah >> and what you can say. 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:02.797 >> Yeah. What are these things and what are 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:06.237 they capable of? >> So, 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:10.957 uh, there's like physical and non-physical, call it UAP and 00:51:11.040 --> 00:51:12.957 intelligence we're likely dealing with. 00:51:13.040 --> 00:51:16.717 So, for example, the orbs, could that be 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:21.837 sentient plasmoid? Possibly >> sentient plasmoid. So, plasma that has 00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.717 consciousness. >> Yeah. in some way and that could be like 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:28.077 you're seeing the other side of some sort of wormhole and it's some other 00:51:28.160 --> 00:51:32.877 intelligence shooting this like I'll call it like plasmoidic probe into you 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.077 know our existence I mean there's this is of course a theoretical framework and 00:51:36.160 --> 00:51:39.677 once again I don't have a PhD in >> but it's theoretical that there is a 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.477 life form that is a plasmabased life form 00:51:42.560 --> 00:51:44.077 >> and there's already papers on the open 00:51:44.160 --> 00:51:46.717 internet about this a couple years ago 00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:49.517 what's the title of the the paper they 00:51:49.600 --> 00:51:51.677 wrote about this possibility so this is 00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:55.677 a um academic assessment of a 00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:58.157 possibility of the orbs. Now, could the 00:51:58.240 --> 00:52:00.157 orbs actually be physical craft, but 00:52:00.240 --> 00:52:02.797 they have a sheath of plasma around it? 00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:06.477 Interestingly enough, and OAP did a 00:52:06.560 --> 00:52:11.517 defense intelligence reference document on magneto hydrodnamic propulsion, um 00:52:11.600 --> 00:52:14.797 which if you remember the the movie The Hunt for Red October, 00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:16.637 >> that's the Caterpillar Drive on the 00:52:16.720 --> 00:52:18.317 Russian submarine, you know, back in the 00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:22.317 day. Uh and of course uh with MHD you 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:23.917 can also do it you have to use a 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:27.037 conductive fluid um either salt seawater 00:52:27.120 --> 00:52:30.957 that has salt in it or uh you could do it in the air but you have to create a 00:52:31.040 --> 00:52:35.837 plasma and you steer the plasma with it's called the lorren force it's it's 00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:40.637 basically have a perpendicular magnetic field large amount electricity and you 00:52:40.720 --> 00:52:44.717 can basically through the lorren force which is like ionic propulsion sort of 00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:48.157 um uh control it in the in the atmosphere as well and you can you know 00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:51.117 read papers on that and I e and and 00:52:51.200 --> 00:52:53.517 other stuff like that and so one of the 00:52:53.600 --> 00:52:56.157 byproducts of an air breathing MHD 00:52:56.240 --> 00:53:00.317 system is plasma around it. So depending 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:04.957 on the size of the orb um it is conceivable that there's a physical 00:53:05.040 --> 00:53:08.717 craft behind it as well just by as an artifact of the propulsion system. Uh 00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:13.117 once again that's a a theory. I'm sure the program knows and that will be 00:53:13.200 --> 00:53:15.837 communicated at a later date but like you know that's Yeah. 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:19.837 >> So this theory about sentient plasma 00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:20.477 >> Yeah. 00:53:20.560 --> 00:53:23.757 >> is it the idea that we have a very 00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:26.877 narrow-minded view of what life can be 00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.677 >> and that life as it evolved in other 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:34.557 places in other parts of the universe >> went noncroporeal at some point like the 00:53:34.640 --> 00:53:37.677 the meat suit sucks. We're going to >> right >> be an energetic 00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:40.557 >> like this is an ultimate expression of 00:53:40.640 --> 00:53:43.917 both technology and at least enhanced 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.397 evolution that eventually consciousness 00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:49.677 is isolated or consciousness may be 00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:54.717 ubiquitous and exists in everything anyway and that yeah 00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:57.677 >> yeah certainly and I'm not the the expert in I would say the the 00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:00.077 consciousness theory I like the Penrose 00:54:00.160 --> 00:54:02.797 Hamarov orc O theory which is the 00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:07.357 microtubules the room temperature So microtubules are in neurons of the brain 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:11.037 and you have this like room temperature quantum system that can collapse the 00:54:11.120 --> 00:54:13.997 wave function without an observer and 00:54:14.080 --> 00:54:18.157 that's what Roger Penrose and Stuart Hamarov and I've talked to Hamarov crazy 00:54:18.240 --> 00:54:20.957 smart guy um he's an anesthesiologist by 00:54:21.040 --> 00:54:22.877 training and Penrose obviously is a very 00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:28.557 famous mathematician and uh physics legend and uh that's how they view 00:54:28.640 --> 00:54:31.917 consciousness. I'm not saying that's the exact model. I happen to prefer it 00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:33.197 because it's very trippy and very 00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:35.837 interesting and does explain spooky 00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:40.397 action and like um telepathy because oh well if it's just a quantum system then 00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:44.237 I'm like quantumly entangled. Oh that makes sense now like why remote viewing 00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:46.797 and other stuff works right. >> Yeah. 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:52.077 >> Okay. So you have some sort of plasabased intelligence. 00:54:52.160 --> 00:54:54.797 >> Yeah. >> And then what else? 00:54:54.880 --> 00:55:00.237 So obviously there has been the physical craft of all different flavors like I've 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:03.437 talked about it. You know the tic tacs are real. There's eggs. There's 00:55:03.520 --> 00:55:05.277 different types of discs. There's boot 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:08.477 heels sunfish looking things. Um uh 00:55:08.560 --> 00:55:10.797 boomerangs crescent moon looking uh 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.437 craft as well. And obviously 00:55:13.520 --> 00:55:18.557 all those have different um origins in terms of pilots and 00:55:18.640 --> 00:55:20.077 whatnot. There's a there's a little bit 00:55:20.160 --> 00:55:23.277 of overlap. It's almost like uh certain 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:27.597 people like the Porsche 911 or Ford Mustang. They they kind of build the 00:55:27.680 --> 00:55:30.237 same shape and that's probably indicative of the technology or the 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:33.997 propulsion system. >> I'm not an expert in exactly why that 00:55:34.080 --> 00:55:36.637 is. And yeah, we've recovered, you know, 00:55:36.720 --> 00:55:38.797 sever several different types and it's a 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:41.757 it's once again it's a taxonomy where 00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:46.317 it's almost like like not all white people look the same, right? same idea 00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:51.597 where you might have like a species per se but then there's sort of like subsets 00:55:51.680 --> 00:55:54.077 right >> now 00:55:54.160 --> 00:55:58.797 is there a theory or is there information based on where these things 00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:00.877 are from and that there different ones 00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:01.917 are from different places 00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:06.957 >> there is but I never got access to that 00:56:07.040 --> 00:56:10.237 and even if the information was once 00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:12.317 again how would you like um confirm that 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.277 as a skeptical former uh human intg ence 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:20.317 officer, you have some sort of NHI communicating to you, oh, I'm from star 00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:24.637 system X, Y, and Z. Right? >> Cool. Is that denial and deception, you 00:56:24.720 --> 00:56:26.717 know, activities? Are you misdirecting? 00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:31.117 You're from somewhere else. So, >> uh, even if they said they told us, how 00:56:31.200 --> 00:56:32.717 would you verify that? I mean, there's 00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:34.637 certainly obviously ways 00:56:34.720 --> 00:56:38.317 >> and but some of it seems once again 00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:41.997 extraterrestrial is part of the pie here, right? There's a, you know, 00:56:42.080 --> 00:56:43.597 there's ultraterrestrial and other 00:56:43.680 --> 00:56:46.637 things. And I it does seem like a lot of 00:56:46.720 --> 00:56:51.037 it's been here for a while and also 00:56:51.120 --> 00:56:56.397 seems so similar to us that I have questions. And once again, this isn't 00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:57.837 rhetorical. I don't know the answer. 00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:00.237 It's like, well, is this bio-engineered? 00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:03.597 Is this uh a break from our tree? Is 00:57:03.680 --> 00:57:07.837 this um some sort of other technology? 00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:11.837 Uh like chameleon type technology, if you will. I don't I don't know the 00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:15.517 answer to that. So I I think that's >> what are the prevailing theories amongst 00:57:15.600 --> 00:57:17.037 the people that are working on this though. 00:57:17.120 --> 00:57:21.677 >> Yeah. So >> like do they have answers or do they just have theories? 00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:23.437 >> I am not certain of that because I do 00:57:23.520 --> 00:57:26.237 not have that level of knowledge and as 00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:29.037 the government rolls that out I'm happy 00:57:29.120 --> 00:57:31.837 to you know parse that with the American 00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:36.797 people in public and kind of explain my opinion on things as gaps and 00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:40.237 information for myself is filled in because I'm not omnipotent. I didn't 00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:44.317 have full access and I only know what I know. And that's why I've I've treated 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:48.637 this with such reverence because even me going public, I'm like, I don't 00:57:48.720 --> 00:57:51.677 know what this is going to trigger besides my own personal safety, which 00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:55.917 clearly I was under duress and and I had to even resign my Air Force Commission. 00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:59.677 Didn't even fully retire and I'm trying to get that fixed. I, you know, filed 00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:04.637 something with the Air Force board a year ago so I can actually retire and 00:58:04.720 --> 00:58:06.237 have my benefits because I, you know, I 00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:07.437 miss my promotional lieutenant colonel 00:58:07.520 --> 00:58:12.557 and other stuff. But um I digress. But 00:58:12.640 --> 00:58:14.157 certainly 00:58:14.240 --> 00:58:17.357 there is such similarity that there was 00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:21.757 a concern and uh from a genomic perspective and there was work on that 00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:24.717 to compare genomes. Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to that and what 00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:28.477 they found out >> work to compare genomes from biological 00:58:28.560 --> 00:58:31.837 samples. >> Uh yeah, dead cadaavvers. Yeah. 00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:34.397 >> So that's real. >> Oh, 100%. Yeah. 00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:37.037 >> So there are >> Oh yeah, I know that for sure. you. How 00:58:37.120 --> 00:58:40.957 do you know that for sure? >> I got to see the audio visual on that side. 00:58:41.040 --> 00:58:44.557 >> You got to see what? >> Yeah. So, I got to be a little vague 00:58:44.640 --> 00:58:48.557 only because I want to protect the sources because it may indicate a 00:58:48.640 --> 00:58:50.877 specific activity or operation and these 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:53.997 people were very patriotic and um they 00:58:54.080 --> 00:58:59.357 were just dead cadaavvers in you know on the ground because it was a retrieval 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.717 activity. Yeah. >> You saw them physically or you saw video of them? 00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:07.037 >> Video. >> Video. >> Yeah. So you saw a dead cadaavver that 00:59:07.120 --> 00:59:10.397 was at a crash. >> Yes. 00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:15.197 >> So they filmed the crash and they filmed these cadaavvers. 00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:16.957 >> Yeah. >> How old is this footage? 00:59:17.040 --> 00:59:18.397 >> Uh I don't want to say. Okay. 00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:20.157 >> It's contemporary, but I >> It's contemporary. 00:59:20.240 --> 00:59:23.437 >> Yeah. But I don't want to reveal a particular operation because it narrows 00:59:23.520 --> 00:59:26.557 it down. >> But it's clear. It's not like you're 00:59:26.640 --> 00:59:29.037 looking 1950s black and white. It's 00:59:29.120 --> 00:59:33.037 clear. And do know, you know, when I get 00:59:33.120 --> 00:59:36.077 that kind of information, you know, I'm like, okay, tell me what it is, what 00:59:36.160 --> 00:59:38.957 what happened, and then I put it out for collection, so to speak, and then I 00:59:39.040 --> 00:59:43.037 confirm it independently because I was very uh allergic to any kind of 00:59:43.120 --> 00:59:45.197 deception, right? Like in the in the 00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:47.597 advent of AI, Sora AI, you can you can 00:59:47.680 --> 00:59:50.157 create a very realistic and so I was 00:59:50.240 --> 00:59:53.517 very anal retentive when I was given 00:59:53.600 --> 00:59:56.157 documents, audiovisisual, etc. And I sat 00:59:56.240 --> 01:00:00.717 on that stuff for like years until I felt comfortable with that not being 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:05.037 some sort of limited hangout or deception activity. So yeah. 01:00:05.120 --> 01:00:07.677 >> What did it look like? >> Human looking. 01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:12.077 >> How human? >> Very >> like like looked like a human or looked 01:00:12.160 --> 01:00:17.117 similar to a human. >> Very very beautiful. And 01:00:17.200 --> 01:00:19.117 >> beautiful. >> It and I I said 01:00:19.200 --> 01:00:20.477 >> what color was the skin? 01:00:20.560 --> 01:00:24.717 >> Uh bluish white and super close. No, no, 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.677 no, no, no. It like >> like someone who drowned 01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:32.237 >> like a pale sort of albino and >> and it's interesting and I said this in 01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:36.877 another interview that's not out yet, but and and God willing this is my last 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:40.477 interview for a while hopefully in pre-disclosure environment, you know, 01:00:40.560 --> 01:00:45.357 and uh General McCaslin when he was talking to Dong and this is public 01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:49.757 record. Tom's talked about it on I think your show and other interviews where he 01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:51.757 always told Tom think of the Greek gods 01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:56.797 and and Oh, true. you look it up and and now I kind of understand what he meant. 01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:00.637 But General McCaslin, who disappeared within a week of Trump giving the the 01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:03.197 declassification order on UAP in 01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:05.117 February 2026, there's a lot of reasons 01:01:05.200 --> 01:01:08.477 why uh Mccasin's disappearance uh 01:01:08.560 --> 01:01:11.197 >> disappeared. Um he walked out of his 01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:13.197 residence in Albuquerque and vanished. 01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.517 >> Oh, that's right. That guy. Yeah. 01:01:15.600 --> 01:01:20.477 >> Yeah. And nobody knows. And I, you know, I have a relationship obviously with 01:01:20.560 --> 01:01:25.357 Justice and nobody knows what happened to the guy. 01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:28.637 >> And he like he left home so he couldn't be tracked. I think his phone 01:01:28.720 --> 01:01:33.917 was left but you know one of his firearms was missing. It's like very weird. So 01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:35.437 >> Right. He left without his phone. 01:01:35.520 --> 01:01:38.077 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That was one of the weird parts about it. 01:01:38.160 --> 01:01:40.957 >> Yeah. And and once again he was going on 01:01:41.040 --> 01:01:42.797 a trip with like 18 of his friends. He 01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:45.117 went to REI the day before to get like a 01:01:45.200 --> 01:01:48.877 medical kit and other supplies and I 01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:52.477 mean obviously his wife's discussion about him the body cam 01:01:52.560 --> 01:01:55.837 footage is public and you know he had 01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:58.477 some mental health issues nothing major 01:01:58.560 --> 01:02:03.597 and and um some aging type issues but 01:02:03.680 --> 01:02:06.637 she didn't think you know he was going to like kill himself or whatever. So, I 01:02:06.720 --> 01:02:10.237 mean, you never know. And I've had friends unfortunately uh pass away 01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:12.397 through suicide in the military, but 01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.957 it's very bizarre and it's when within a 01:02:15.040 --> 01:02:19.517 week of Trump that coming out and um >> just say I know a lot about General 01:02:19.600 --> 01:02:21.677 McCass. >> Well, there's quite a few scientists 01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:24.957 that were connected to UF UAP disclosure 01:02:25.040 --> 01:02:29.277 or UAP potential back engineering projects or mysterious projects 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:31.997 >> possibly. I think >> do you think there was more like 01:02:32.080 --> 01:02:35.597 >> to be fair was a little overblown and I don't think there was a ton of 01:02:35.680 --> 01:02:39.677 correlation like one was like a female that worked at Air Force Research Lab 01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:43.277 when Macccasin was a commander. I think that was one of Well, I mean there's a 01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:45.677 lot of people that work at Air Force Research Lab. That doesn't mean it's 01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:48.637 necessarily related to the topic. I the only one 01:02:48.720 --> 01:02:52.397 >> didn't she have did didn't that one particular lady if it's the same person 01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:56.557 didn't she have some sort of research that was on material science? 01:02:56.640 --> 01:02:58.237 >> That sounds correct. I'm not totally 01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:00.317 conversant on all the people that 01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:03.997 disappeared. The only one besides Maslin 01:03:04.080 --> 01:03:07.597 that was very concerning to me was my 01:03:07.680 --> 01:03:10.797 Air Force friend that um died 01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:15.997 mysteriously about two years ago. And it's an open investigation, so I won't 01:03:16.080 --> 01:03:17.357 get into all the gory detail of my 01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:20.397 assessments. Um it I mean it's binary. 01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:23.357 It's either a very tragic thing, either 01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:25.357 self harm or otherwise, or it was 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:29.197 something else. and my friend uh his 01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:32.797 name's Matthew Sullivan calls sign quake in the air force him and I were on 01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:35.197 active duty together uh he was on the 01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:39.517 program and he was uh one of my sources 01:03:39.600 --> 01:03:43.277 and I and I once again I don't name people but like he unfortunately has 01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:47.837 passed so I want to make that clear >> this video do you think this will be a 01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:51.757 part of disclosure that we'll get to see this video of these dead bodies 01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:56.717 >> probably so there's a there's a lot audiovisisual 01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:59.997 stuff. The problem with the the with the the current climate, like you're going 01:04:00.080 --> 01:04:03.277 to have to wheel out the physical evidence, too, cuz people are the trust 01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.877 in government is so low right now. Like you you could show a video, but people 01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:10.157 are going to be like, "Oh, well that's just the US government with us, 01:04:10.240 --> 01:04:14.637 and you're going to have to >> curate a wheel out literally like, you 01:04:14.720 --> 01:04:16.157 know, put it in the Uvar Hazy Center, 01:04:16.240 --> 01:04:18.317 the Smithsonian, and then give the 01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:22.317 biological samples to Eric Weinstein, 01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:26.397 who I know he wants it." And >> why would you give it to him? Well, he 01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:30.637 says he has people that test it. Um, >> I have people that test it, too. 01:04:30.720 --> 01:04:33.437 >> Yeah, but give it to me. >> I'm just I'm just saying that 01:04:33.520 --> 01:04:35.597 >> it's all ridiculous and give it to who? 01:04:35.680 --> 01:04:40.557 There should be a way that human beings uh other than the government can look at 01:04:40.640 --> 01:04:43.757 this stuff. >> Well, there needs to be an independent process. Yeah. 01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:49.437 >> Right now, is this stuff >> So, this is contemporary this this dead 01:04:49.520 --> 01:04:50.717 body thing. 01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:54.557 >> And so, this is a fairly recent crash. 01:04:54.640 --> 01:04:58.397 >> Mhm. And did these things have all the 01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:01.677 characteristics of a human being? Did they have ears? And 01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:06.637 >> as far as I could recall, and it wasn't like all they have close up. Oh, yeah. 01:05:06.720 --> 01:05:08.477 >> They had hair. What color was the hair? 01:05:08.560 --> 01:05:11.437 >> It was like grayish and all that. It was 01:05:11.520 --> 01:05:16.957 The problem is I don't give the nature of the the video. It wasn't super close 01:05:17.040 --> 01:05:20.877 up. It was like, >> of course not >> during the operation. So, it's not like 01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:22.877 >> during the operation of retrieval. 01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:25.517 >> Yeah. Okay. And then they they had these 01:05:25.600 --> 01:05:27.917 things. So what is your understanding of 01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:32.637 what happens to these bodies? >> Oh, they're kept for analysis. And 01:05:32.720 --> 01:05:34.157 >> how do they keep them? They freeze them. 01:05:34.240 --> 01:05:36.877 >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know the exact process. 01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:42.397 I'm not a biologist, but they do put it in some sort of preservation status. So 01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:45.277 >> Huh. >> Yeah. >> So was that the most compelling thing 01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:47.117 you saw? 01:05:47.200 --> 01:05:50.317 Yes, because you know it couples with 01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:54.797 you know both the the craft and the alleged you know occupants and you there 01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:57.997 was some other stuff in that in that area that I got to be careful talking 01:05:58.080 --> 01:06:02.397 about because it's so specific that it'll easily ID the you know the patriot 01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:06.877 that helped me on that. >> Um and once again I want the public to 01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:11.117 see all this stuff and I you don't take my word for it. Plead with the president 01:06:11.200 --> 01:06:15.117 to make sure this comes out. He's really courageous to do so and I just I hope 01:06:15.200 --> 01:06:17.597 this all comes out. >> When you say contemporary, you mean last 01:06:17.680 --> 01:06:20.717 20 years, more recent? >> I don't even want to characterize it, 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:22.637 but it's it's contemporary. 01:06:22.720 --> 01:06:24.557 >> And when you say Greek gods, like do 01:06:24.640 --> 01:06:27.997 these these creatures actually look like 01:06:28.080 --> 01:06:30.877 something special, like not just like a 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:32.477 regular person. You said beautiful. 01:06:32.560 --> 01:06:36.157 >> Yeah. Just very oddly it and it's been a while and but I'm just trying to 01:06:36.240 --> 01:06:40.877 visualize in my mind. It was just very very beautiful. It was just 01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:42.557 >> Were they wearing an outfit? 01:06:42.640 --> 01:06:45.597 >> Uh, it looked like it like some kind of form fitting thing, but I didn't get a 01:06:45.680 --> 01:06:48.317 good look at it. >> Spandex? >> I don't know. I didn't get a good look 01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:50.317 at it, honestly. >> You didn't? 01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:54.477 >> No. I mean, it was like a a pan. So, >> okay. So, they didn't even focus on the 01:06:54.560 --> 01:06:58.877 bodies. They just like, "Oh, there's a body of there." You know, people had a 01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:01.117 job to do, >> right? Did you worry that that that's a 01:07:01.200 --> 01:07:04.797 scop that you're being shown something that's horseshit? Well, like I said, I 01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:08.717 was very careful with that and confirmed it through other sources and methods to 01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:12.717 make sure it wasn't some sort of hangout from some government element trying to 01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:16.637 sway me one way or the other. And >> so, you independently verified that 01:07:16.720 --> 01:07:19.437 there was an event. >> Yeah, I did. 01:07:19.520 --> 01:07:22.557 >> Okay. And then there's footage of this event. And in this footage of this 01:07:22.640 --> 01:07:24.237 event, how many bodies were there? 01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:26.877 >> I think three or four is what I saw. I don't know what the total was. 01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:30.957 >> Did they have gender? >> Um, looked amorphous to me, but once 01:07:31.040 --> 01:07:32.797 again, it was a pan. Really? It wasn't. 01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:36.477 Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Long hair, short hair, >> long. 01:07:36.560 --> 01:07:38.717 >> All of them. >> Yeah. >> Hm. 01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:42.157 >> That I could recall. Yeah. >> The Greek gods thing is very weird. 01:07:42.240 --> 01:07:44.797 >> It's weird. And >> it's a weird comparison. Like you stop 01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:48.637 and think about that. Yeah. Well, why were the Greek gods >> so beautiful? 01:07:48.720 --> 01:07:50.397 >> It's funny you say that cuz like I think 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:54.637 about like breakaway human. I mean, once again, I'm just I'm just 01:07:54.720 --> 01:07:58.237 >> or maybe even an original civilization that existed before. 01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:03.117 >> Yeah. There's more people are leaning in that direction when they start looking 01:08:03.200 --> 01:08:06.317 at some of the stuff that's underneath the pyramids and some of the weird 01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:09.197 structures that they're finding all over the earth. Like how how are these 01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:13.197 things? We had a whole podcast yesterday about it. It's like how are these things 01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:14.957 made? Who made these things? Like what? 01:08:15.040 --> 01:08:17.677 >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously I I follow 01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:19.677 Graham Hancock and Randle Carlson just, 01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:21.037 you know, casually and 01:08:21.120 --> 01:08:25.597 >> and I do have um not fears, but uh you 01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:29.277 know, I have questions about some sort of breakaway human civilization and that 01:08:29.360 --> 01:08:33.277 explains some of this or it's bio-engineered because like for them to 01:08:33.360 --> 01:08:35.997 develop naturally say off planet say 01:08:36.080 --> 01:08:41.277 it's extraterrestrial that it looks almost dead ringer like us like that 01:08:41.360 --> 01:08:43.837 doesn't make any sense to me. >> Well, does it make sense? If we're 01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:48.317 engineered, then it makes sense. So, >> that is that is certainly a possibility. 01:08:48.400 --> 01:08:50.477 You know, I have questions about that, too. 01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:54.797 >> This is a this is what Bob Lazar believes. I had a long conversation with 01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:59.517 him about that. He thinks that human beings are a product of genetic some 01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:01.517 sort of manipulation. 01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:04.957 >> And I think hypothetically, if that 01:09:05.040 --> 01:09:08.957 ended up being verified in some way, shape, or form, you know, how how does 01:09:09.040 --> 01:09:11.757 that change humanity? What does it mean to be human? And I I think there's a lot 01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:16.077 of deep human sovereignty and other questions uh on that if that ends up 01:09:16.160 --> 01:09:17.997 being the case. >> Well, it gets weird because we're 01:09:18.080 --> 01:09:20.557 willing to believe that an omnipotent 01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:23.917 god created us out of nothing. That's 01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:26.397 cool. But the idea that we were visited 01:09:26.480 --> 01:09:29.917 by what's essentially almost godlike in 01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:33.757 their powers and abilities, some creature from somewhere else or some 01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:37.197 being, some super hyper intelligent being from somewhere else 01:09:37.280 --> 01:09:41.757 >> and they manipulated us. That bothers us. I know. And I weird. My biggest 01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:45.277 regret was not getting access to like the biological assessment reports and 01:09:45.360 --> 01:09:48.637 stuff like that. I was getting enough spears thrown my way and I was, you 01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:52.317 know, in literal danger. So, I unfortunately wasn't able to kind of, 01:09:52.400 --> 01:09:55.037 you know, um, get access to that stuff. 01:09:55.120 --> 01:09:57.997 >> Have you talked to anybody who did get access to it? 01:09:58.080 --> 01:10:02.477 >> Um, not on that side of the program in terms 01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:07.597 of like the scientists analyzing the bodies. No. I just I know people that 01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:11.597 are good friends of mine that were on retrievalss and saw them as well in 01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:14.717 person. And once again, I'm like comparing like did did you it look like 01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:17.037 this? It look like this? Did this happen? Was it this type of craft? 01:10:17.120 --> 01:10:19.357 >> Do they vary in terms of what they saw? 01:10:19.440 --> 01:10:25.517 >> Yes. And uh some of my colleagues saw them alive as well. 01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:28.797 >> Yeah. >> What did they see alive? Like the Greek god looking ones? 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:31.837 >> Uh no. Uh it's 01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:36.397 the pop culture. I can't believe I want to talk about this. Uh the pop culture 01:10:36.480 --> 01:10:38.957 >> uh reptilian looking >> reptilian 01:10:39.040 --> 01:10:42.557 >> the the grays yes as well those are real 01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:46.877 once again the aerial school phenomenon in 1994 very well documented mass 01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:49.037 sighting what does it >> is that Zimbabwe 01:10:49.120 --> 01:10:52.237 >> yeah near a uranium mine 01:10:52.320 --> 01:10:56.717 >> and they saw small gray beings coming out of a lenticular disc craft once 01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:00.797 again this is why it's almost like not that shocking it's like yeah they look 01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:05.117 like that no >> well that story has been going on for a 01:11:05.200 --> 01:11:07.597 long time and that iconic. The problem 01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:10.717 with like iconic imagery is that now you 01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:14.957 have it in your head what to expect and like that was like from the movie 01:11:15.040 --> 01:11:16.717 Contact. Remember the movie Contact? 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:20.157 Like it showed itself. >> Great movie. Great movie. I know my boy 01:11:20.240 --> 01:11:21.917 Amomar, I got him hooked on that movie. 01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:23.597 He watches it like every quarter. 01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:25.197 >> It's a phenomenal movie. 01:11:25.280 --> 01:11:27.357 >> But there's a scene in the movie where 01:11:27.440 --> 01:11:33.277 the alien shows itself as Jodie Foster's dad. I know because it's something that 01:11:33.360 --> 01:11:36.557 she can handle >> and that's what it's funny you say that 01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:39.677 that's what if they're bio-engineered then that makes sense because of that 01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:44.877 ease of contact ease of communication also less onlogically shocking it's familiar 01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:48.957 >> right >> and and I think as this rolls out I 01:11:49.040 --> 01:11:52.317 think the American people need to think about like okay well if you know I'm 01:11:52.400 --> 01:11:55.997 presented with this reality how would I react you know I I just think of them 01:11:56.080 --> 01:11:59.117 personally as like it's like my West Virginia cousins you know it's like 01:11:59.200 --> 01:12:03.677 different part of the family you But but I'm cool with them. And uh 01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:07.117 >> that's a >> I'll I'll chill with them, you know, 01:12:07.200 --> 01:12:11.357 whatever. And hey, I'm a nerd. Like do you know how bad I want to just like 01:12:11.440 --> 01:12:13.357 hang out with them? >> Oh yeah, me too. 01:12:13.440 --> 01:12:18.477 >> Like not that I have like uh personal bias for President Trump to do this, but 01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:20.957 like just like any American, I like I want to know more. 01:12:21.040 --> 01:12:22.797 >> Of course, >> I want to meet them. I want to 01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:24.957 communicate. Well, I think it's just 01:12:25.040 --> 01:12:29.917 it's wrong for some people to have access to this information because this 01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:33.677 I think this is different than any other kind of secret information. 01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:36.317 >> I think it's weight and its significance 01:12:36.400 --> 01:12:40.317 and impact on the human race in general. 01:12:40.400 --> 01:12:44.237 I I mean I demand I I want we should 01:12:44.320 --> 01:12:46.957 know you shouldn't there shouldn't be a 01:12:47.040 --> 01:12:50.077 group of unelected bureaucrats and 01:12:50.160 --> 01:12:54.077 defense contractors that have access to this stuff and the general public 01:12:54.160 --> 01:12:55.917 doesn't. So they have a completely 01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:58.477 different map of the world than we do. 01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:03.517 >> I know and I just think about the unfortunate lies and how society has 01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:06.477 progressed over the last several decades and where we could have been if this was 01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:08.877 handled back in the ' 50s60s and 70s. 01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:12.077 Right. And once again, it shouldn't even be me doing this. Like, I saw a little 01:13:12.160 --> 01:13:14.237 bit of crazy I learned some stuff. 01:13:14.320 --> 01:13:17.757 I met with some of the most senior people in government to confirm all 01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:19.197 this, you know, at the highest highest 01:13:19.280 --> 01:13:23.997 highest level. And um it's me like I'm 01:13:24.080 --> 01:13:25.917 just a dude like I'm I was a, you know, 01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:28.877 major in the Air Force and, you know, 01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:33.597 mid-level senior civilian in the IC. But unfortunately, 01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:38.157 I got stuck with this and it wouldn't have happened unless this small crew, 01:13:38.240 --> 01:13:41.917 you know, honestly pushed me over the edge and, you know, I I was in 01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:44.637 unbelievable duress and I ended up having to go public. So 01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:48.397 >> So tell me more about these reptilians that your friend encountered. They were 01:13:48.480 --> 01:13:52.237 alive. >> Yeah. >> So they were alive post crash. 01:13:52.320 --> 01:13:54.557 >> Yes. >> Why do these things keep 01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:55.677 crashing? 01:13:55.760 --> 01:14:01.197 >> So some of it is um NHI versus NHI. 01:14:01.280 --> 01:14:05.597 wides. >> Yeah, >> they war in the skies. Isn't that in the 01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:09.917 >> You think it's like would they get along? They're so advanced. But uh the 01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:12.797 we have records of them around with each other. 01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:14.557 >> Is that in the Mahabarata or the 01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:16.637 Bavagita? There's there's like talk 01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:19.997 about sky wars in ancient Hindu text. 01:14:20.080 --> 01:14:21.677 >> Vid Oh yeah, in the Vidic text, the blue 01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:26.797 people. And I know that's why you asked blue. I don't recall them being that 01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:29.597 blue, but you know, right? >> I got a short little look unlike 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:32.477 >> Yeah, when they're alive, they're darker. 01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:38.157 >> Well, that is true. There's like a post-mortem change in their like people. 01:14:38.240 --> 01:14:39.117 That's what happens with people. 01:14:39.200 --> 01:14:42.237 >> That that is true cuz you know, as they 01:14:42.320 --> 01:14:46.477 were struggling and then died, obviously their affect changed and So, 01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:49.197 >> this friend that encountered first of 01:14:49.280 --> 01:14:53.837 all the we'll go to the the Greek god people first. Yeah. What did their craft 01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:59.117 look like? >> Uh, boomerang, crescent moon, usually. 01:14:59.200 --> 01:15:00.797 Not all the time. It's kind of like once 01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:02.717 I go back, some people like to drive the 01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:06.797 Porsche 911. Uh, that tends to be not 01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:10.877 all the time, but uh that's what they like to roll up in. 01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:13.837 >> They they they talk about them as the tall whites. 01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:16.477 >> Yeah. >> You hear that? Were they tall? Were they large? 01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:19.597 >> They look tall to me. I didn't have >> hard to tell because you don't 01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:21.517 >> I didn't have a ground reference really. 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:26.237 I would say at least human size. They could be 01:15:26.320 --> 01:15:27.277 >> very similar to human size. 01:15:27.360 --> 01:15:32.557 >> Yeah, they could be my big ass is 66, but like the >> they looked big um 01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:36.157 >> similar to humans, >> I think. So, and there might be taller 01:15:36.240 --> 01:15:40.157 once again. I'm sure there's other stuff I don't know about. I'm sure there's 01:15:40.240 --> 01:15:44.797 other variants of them too that look more towards like the classic um 01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:49.037 >> what is it in eufology? like Nordic or, you know, tall whites 01:15:49.120 --> 01:15:51.357 >> and that are probably even taller. If 01:15:51.440 --> 01:15:54.557 some of those uh experiences are true, 01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:59.677 which once again, as long as that source is credible, that might be a thing. So, 01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:03.757 I think we need to be prepared to kind of >> that being a thing. I don't know. 01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:07.757 >> Yeah, that makes sense. >> Now, the reptilian craft, what did that 01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:12.637 thing look like? >> Uh, that one is tic tac looking. 01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:15.277 >> Uhoh. >> Yeah. >> I was hoping they were the cool ones. 01:16:15.360 --> 01:16:17.917 Yeah. The reptilian ones are the ones that everyone's terrified of. 01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:22.557 >> Yeah. And and once again, like we're we're doing like and of course it's not 01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:25.677 always a tic tac. Once again, kind of like what I said, but like that tends to 01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:28.637 be them. >> Um from what I understand, obviously, 01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:33.517 hopefully I'm not wrong, but I'm, you know, pretty good sourcing on that. 01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:36.877 >> When you see like um malevolent behavior, right, it's like, well, that's 01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:39.517 a humanistic lens. You're seeing like a 01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:43.997 animal lash out in captiv captivity kind of thing. Or they're in duress. they're 01:16:44.080 --> 01:16:48.317 having an emotional experience, etc. And it's like, you know, are they actually 01:16:48.400 --> 01:16:51.677 scary or is it just because of the situations we've been in with them? And 01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:53.517 so what kind of bias and and all that? 01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:57.837 So, >> of course. >> Yeah. >> And so these reptilians, what did they look like? 01:16:57.920 --> 01:16:59.837 >> Now, I've never seen them in person. 01:16:59.920 --> 01:17:01.117 Your friend described as 01:17:01.200 --> 01:17:04.877 >> it's like very almost like um 7 foot 01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:08.877 tall plus uh sort of gorilla looking skin. 01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:11.277 >> Gorilla looking, scaly skin though, 01:17:11.360 --> 01:17:13.197 reptile gorillas. But there's multiple 01:17:13.280 --> 01:17:17.197 types. There's ones that are are more 01:17:17.280 --> 01:17:20.797 humanoid looking. So >> there's multiple types of reptilians. 01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:22.557 >> Yeah. And I'm not an expert on that one. 01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:24.397 That's once again I never saw it in 01:17:24.480 --> 01:17:27.357 person to get the exact uh you know. 01:17:27.440 --> 01:17:30.637 >> See if there's a artist rendition. 01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:32.557 >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Chris you are. 01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:37.677 >> Yeah. And once again it it sounds it sounds so skitso like even for me 01:17:37.760 --> 01:17:40.797 >> gorilla with scales. >> Ex deep state intel officer. I'm like, I 01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:43.837 cannot believe I'm talking about this on Joe Rogan. 01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:47.757 >> Scare scaly gorilla. >> I know. And I mean, it sounds skitso. 01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:51.357 And it's like coming from somebody like me, you know, who, you know, is a 01:17:51.440 --> 01:17:54.157 credible person and has been in government. It's like, 01:17:54.240 --> 01:17:57.597 >> I'm going to be that guy. I'm going to be that guy. And then like down the road 01:17:57.680 --> 01:18:01.917 people will review Joe Rogan and he's like that We thought he was crazy, but 01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:03.597 >> what do you know? You know, it's true. 01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:07.117 Well, of course, if there are things from somewhere else, you're going to 01:18:07.200 --> 01:18:10.477 sound crazy describing any of >> because it's it's so outside my 01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:15.117 experience because I never had some kind of woo thing growing up or some sort of 01:18:15.200 --> 01:18:17.277 interaction with the phenomenon. So, it 01:18:17.360 --> 01:18:20.397 it it it feels so outside my personal 01:18:20.480 --> 01:18:24.877 comfort level and experience because um I'm relying on the personal experience 01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:28.717 of others, you know, audio visual stuff and it still feels like I'm watching a 01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:31.837 movie. Like, it's like is that is it real? I mean, I know it is, but like 01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:35.357 it's I have a cognitive dissonance a little bit, you know? So, 01:18:35.440 --> 01:18:38.397 >> and how were you able to watch this video? Do they have to put you into a 01:18:38.480 --> 01:18:41.437 secret room? >> Yeah, I won't get into the exact way it 01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:44.077 went down, but uh uh we'll just say it 01:18:44.160 --> 01:18:48.317 was uh kind of sketchy, but it to keep 01:18:48.400 --> 01:18:53.197 everybody safe. So, >> and so there apparently is NHI versus 01:18:53.280 --> 01:18:56.957 NHI warfare. >> We've we've documented that. 01:18:57.040 --> 01:18:59.117 >> Documented it >> in collection. 01:18:59.200 --> 01:19:03.597 what we perceive as warfare. So, unless it's something conflict, 01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:06.877 >> yeah, it looks like conflict. It smells like conflict. Is it some other kind of 01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:08.157 weird I don't know. And there's 01:19:08.240 --> 01:19:09.917 maybe an assessment on that. But, 01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:14.077 >> and um when this reptilian craft 01:19:14.160 --> 01:19:17.757 crashed, the assumption was that it was some sort of conflict because I would 01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:20.397 imagine, >> correct, >> that they're the ones you'd have to worry about 01:19:20.480 --> 01:19:23.997 >> cuz there was dead uh dead grays there, too. 01:19:24.080 --> 01:19:26.637 >> Oh, yeah. So, >> so the grays and the reptilians were 01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:31.197 duking it out. >> Yeah. I guess I guess you know you know 01:19:31.280 --> 01:19:34.717 I know the people who were there and >> this sounds insane Dave. It 01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:38.237 sounds crazy. And and once again, I don't want to get in too many 01:19:38.320 --> 01:19:41.197 specifics cuz this is a very unique 01:19:41.280 --> 01:19:45.517 >> There's a couple unique retrievals out there that to protect the innocents and 01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:49.757 people that have risked their lives cuz a lot of the people that 01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:51.677 >> uh came to me with that kind of information. I mean, they were 01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:55.917 physically threatened like me and and all that and and so like me going public 01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:59.517 was taking it for the team because I was able to create this umbrella of uh 01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:02.797 tacet, you know, protection in case somebody got with. And 01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:05.917 unfortunately, you know, my my friend Matt, who knows what happened to him, 01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:09.517 but um you know, tragically he died, you 01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:13.197 know, mysteriously. So >> now these reptilians, what was their 01:20:13.280 --> 01:20:17.277 craft like? >> Oh, like I said, the tic tac tic tac stuff. 01:20:17.360 --> 01:20:21.117 >> And was their craft crashed into the ground, like broken up? 01:20:21.200 --> 01:20:23.437 >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> It was like wedged into 01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:25.197 >> like had it been hit with something? 01:20:25.280 --> 01:20:27.997 >> Um I don't remember exactly what 01:20:28.080 --> 01:20:30.077 happened in that regard, but it did 01:20:30.160 --> 01:20:32.797 crash. So, and I don't want to misspeak 01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:37.917 on what exactly happened. So, >> and how many times has this happened if 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:41.757 you had a guess? >> I don't know the total number of like uh 01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:47.837 adversarial conflict crashes, but I mean it seems to be at least a dozen or two. 01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:51.117 I don't know. >> So, at least a dozen or two adversarial 01:20:51.200 --> 01:20:56.317 crashes. And then there's the high alitude nuclear tests, 01:20:56.400 --> 01:20:57.997 >> right? You're aware of those, right? 01:20:58.080 --> 01:21:01.197 >> Mhm. >> Okay. So, there's been a lot of 01:21:01.280 --> 01:21:03.357 speculation that during those high 01:21:03.440 --> 01:21:07.037 alitude nuclear tests that crafts that 01:21:07.120 --> 01:21:10.797 didn't know it was coming got rocked. 01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:12.397 Do you know anything about that? 01:21:12.480 --> 01:21:15.757 >> That's an area that I'll let the government handle. That's because it 01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:18.477 gets into vulnerabilities and and and 01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:23.037 what the US has figured out. So, that just gets a sensitive area, but that's 01:21:23.120 --> 01:21:25.837 something I'm sure that'll come out in this process because 01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:29.037 >> So, you can't talk about that. Is that what you're saying? because it gets into 01:21:29.120 --> 01:21:32.397 um US capabilities and what we figured out in terms of uh 01:21:32.480 --> 01:21:34.477 >> Well, this is all like from the 50s, right? 01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:39.117 >> Yeah. But we still got nukes and we still got those kind of weapons, you know, 01:21:39.200 --> 01:21:42.557 >> away. So, >> you're aware of those um 01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:45.437 it was uh what what was it, Jamie? Was 01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:48.797 it um a telescope that they were t they 01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:54.077 they were taking photographs of the stars and they were doing it with uh do 01:21:54.160 --> 01:21:57.357 you know what I'm talking about? all the little dots popped up thing that Yeah, 01:21:57.440 --> 01:21:59.757 that's like two or three weeks ago, >> right? We talked about that a couple 01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:01.917 weeks ago. It was an observatory and the 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:05.277 observatory has these old plates of 01:22:05.360 --> 01:22:07.597 images that they took of the sky. 01:22:07.680 --> 01:22:11.197 >> Oh, is this Beatatric's work, the Vasco? 01:22:11.280 --> 01:22:13.517 >> Yes. >> Um yeah, I read it. Very interesting. 01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:17.037 And um >> it's hard to make an exact conclusion if 01:22:17.120 --> 01:22:21.917 if it's UAP, but it's really great original scholarship and I applaud her 01:22:22.000 --> 01:22:23.917 for for doing that. But there appeared 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:28.957 to be moving uh reflective things that 01:22:29.040 --> 01:22:33.037 were outside of our atmosphere that they were taking images of. They were not 01:22:33.120 --> 01:22:35.917 static. They were not >> starutnik too. That was the important thing. 01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:39.917 >> Pribut very important because there was no satellites at the time. This was 01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:44.317 images that they took of the sky that showed things that were reflective that 01:22:44.400 --> 01:22:48.877 seemed to be metallic allegedly. And if I remember her paper correctly with her 01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:51.117 co-authors, it also there were cluster 01:22:51.200 --> 01:22:52.957 concentrations over sensitive nuclear 01:22:53.040 --> 01:22:57.997 facilities and nuclear testing um uh uh 01:22:58.080 --> 01:23:01.437 chronological temporal correlation as well. 01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:03.677 >> So data shows unidentified lights in 01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:09.117 archival astronomy images were 68% more likely to be imaged 24 hours after a 01:23:09.200 --> 01:23:11.277 nuclear weapons test. >> Like I was saying, yeah, 01:23:11.360 --> 01:23:16.237 >> right. So this is chronologically like we have these nuclear weapons tests 01:23:16.320 --> 01:23:20.397 including these high altitude detonations like oper operation starfish prime. 01:23:20.480 --> 01:23:23.517 >> Yeah. >> We detonate these things and then all of 01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:28.317 a sudden these craft start showing up like hey what are these crazy 01:23:28.400 --> 01:23:30.717 monkeys up to? >> It does seem like there was a heightened 01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:34.077 amount of activity once we started testing nuclear weapons. Oh yeah. 01:23:34.160 --> 01:23:37.517 >> Obviously this phenomenon is old. It's interacted with man and antiquity. You 01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:41.517 know Jacques Valet's scholarship on that passport meonia that. Yeah, 01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:43.917 >> that's why the names of our rooms at the 01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:45.677 comedy club are Fat Man and Little Boy. 01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:49.437 >> Oh, nice. Yeah, because that's what ushered because it's the comedy mother 01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:52.557 ship. It's a UFOs based. The >> Yeah, if you go to the Air Force Museum, 01:23:52.640 --> 01:23:56.157 um they have the the Anola Gay there, I think. Is that right? 01:23:56.240 --> 01:23:57.917 >> It's one of the planes. >> Oh, wow. 01:23:58.000 --> 01:23:59.677 >> My alma mater is going to crucify me for 01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:02.957 getting that Air Force history wrong at the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio. 01:24:03.040 --> 01:24:05.037 But >> Wow. >> It's pretty cool. They have a mockup of 01:24:05.120 --> 01:24:09.437 the the little boy and fat man bombs, so you can see how big they were. You're 01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:13.117 like, "Holy that was big." >> One of the things that Lazar said is 01:24:13.200 --> 01:24:17.757 that one of the objects they were working with was very old. And he said 01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:22.077 that they had somehow that it it was told to him that it was retrieved from 01:24:22.160 --> 01:24:24.317 an archaeological dig. 01:24:24.400 --> 01:24:29.117 >> I don't know about his specific story and his exposure, but uh the 01:24:29.200 --> 01:24:31.837 archaeological thing that that is a thing. Yeah. 01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:34.717 >> Are you aware of the labyrinth at Hawara 01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:39.197 in Egypt? >> No. What is that? Okay. So, 01:24:39.280 --> 01:24:40.637 >> is that the one where there's a metallic 01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:44.877 object that they they but but the what's his face won't let people go in it from 01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:47.357 the Egyptian? >> Well, it's it's complicated. It's a 01:24:47.440 --> 01:24:50.877 little more complicated than won't let them, but there's definitely resistance 01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:53.597 to it. >> So, these labyrinths, this this 01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:55.997 incredible compound that's underground 01:24:56.080 --> 01:24:58.237 was documented by Heroditus and he said 01:24:58.320 --> 01:25:01.037 it was greater than Giza. He said it was 01:25:01.120 --> 01:25:03.277 much more spectacular construction. Wow. 01:25:03.360 --> 01:25:05.437 So now they know from ground penetrating 01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:08.077 radar that these these cavities in the 01:25:08.160 --> 01:25:11.517 ground, these symmetrical rooms exist. 01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:13.437 They know where they are and they know 01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:15.437 why they're flooded. So they're flooded 01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:21.117 because during the 1960s they built a dam to divert water for agriculture. And 01:25:21.200 --> 01:25:24.717 when they did, they changed the water table and it flooded this labyrinth 01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:27.837 area. And when they used this ground pen 01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:31.997 penetrating radar and um I think it's radio tomography and a bunch of other 01:25:32.080 --> 01:25:33.357 different ways of 01:25:33.440 --> 01:25:35.917 >> one of the things they found was a 40 m 01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:40.077 long metallic object that's in some sort 01:25:40.160 --> 01:25:42.717 of is it 01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:47.597 >> is it in an atrium like it's in some sort of a large room. 01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:51.117 >> I've heard of I've seen a video about this. You're you're recalling some stuff 01:25:51.200 --> 01:25:53.037 I've seen just casually online. Like 01:25:53.120 --> 01:25:56.797 just imagine if that's what that is. 01:25:56.880 --> 01:26:00.157 >> It's like it's like the movie Stargate with with Kurt Russell. 01:26:00.240 --> 01:26:02.477 >> If these people had been worshiping this 01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:05.197 craft and so much so that they built 01:26:05.280 --> 01:26:07.277 this incredible temple and put it in the 01:26:07.360 --> 01:26:10.157 center of their temple. It's a 40 m long 01:26:10.240 --> 01:26:14.157 metallic object and the metal apparently 01:26:14.240 --> 01:26:18.397 is of unknown origin. Like they don't know what the metal is. It's not 01:26:18.480 --> 01:26:22.877 registering as copper. It's not registering as steel or or or iron 01:26:22.960 --> 01:26:24.877 rather. They don't know what it is. 01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:28.877 >> Interesting. Interesting. >> Yeah. It's weird. 01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:32.317 >> Yeah. I mean, I'm I won't be surprised if some ancient civilizations were 01:26:32.400 --> 01:26:34.637 essentially cargo cults, you know, for 01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:37.517 these visitors. I mean, that is most 01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:40.077 likely true in many cases, not all. And 01:26:40.160 --> 01:26:45.037 of course, that gets into theological areas that are touchy, but I I do think 01:26:45.120 --> 01:26:45.917 that that's probably the case. 01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:48.077 >> The central object is hard to classify. 01:26:48.160 --> 01:26:50.077 It appears metallic, not stone or wood. 01:26:50.160 --> 01:26:52.877 I named it Dippy after the giant dip 01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:56.477 diplotica skeleton in the hint hinty 01:26:56.560 --> 01:26:58.637 hall of London's natural history museum. 01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:03.437 It could be anything. Its shape resembles those tic-tac hard mints. It 01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:05.437 might also be an upright disc or even a 01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:08.077 colossal shen ring. The ancient Egyptian 01:27:08.160 --> 01:27:10.877 symbol representing the eternal cycle of 01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:14.237 creation. The big job object alone big 01:27:14.320 --> 01:27:18.717 object alone rather raises profound questions. How did it get there? Why is 01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:21.197 it there? 01:27:21.280 --> 01:27:24.717 So, show him some of the uh artistic 01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:27.197 recreations of what it looked like 01:27:27.280 --> 01:27:31.917 underneath the ground. So, this is all, you know, like I said, Herodotus wrote 01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:36.317 about this thousands of years ago, but now it's documented that these chambers 01:27:36.400 --> 01:27:38.477 and these pathways actually exist. 01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:41.837 >> And there had been people that had studied at least the upper surface 01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:44.877 levels of it as recently as like the 1800s. 01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:46.717 >> Interesting. >> Yeah. 01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:49.437 But that, you know, through all like a 01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:54.077 lot of Egypt, there's a water under Giza, there's water under the pyramids, 01:27:54.160 --> 01:27:56.877 there's water under, >> you know, a lot of that stuff is 01:27:56.960 --> 01:27:59.037 flooded. And so this is what it looked 01:27:59.120 --> 01:28:03.277 like. This is all underground. 01:28:03.360 --> 01:28:07.037 It's crazy because if this along 01:28:07.120 --> 01:28:09.837 with uh Filippo Beyond's work where it 01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:13.837 shows using that same uh satellite radio 01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:16.317 tomography that there's some sort of 01:28:16.400 --> 01:28:21.437 structure underneath the pyramids that goes over a kilometer into the ground. 01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:25.197 >> Is there easy access or is it just like a government denial? the antiquities 01:28:25.280 --> 01:28:27.677 bureau whatever they call it in blocking it or 01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:30.877 >> I think there's been some progress in 01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:34.477 terms of allowing exploration and I 01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:38.397 don't know the extent of it but I know that a lot of people are very hopeful 01:28:38.480 --> 01:28:40.797 that that progress is is going to be 01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:42.877 achieved like they're opening up this 01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:45.837 research and look this would be a giant 01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:49.917 boom to their tourism industry oh yeah I mean that's what they want I mean Egypt 01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:53.757 probably survives I don't know what percentage of their economy in Giza is 01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:55.517 tourism But it has to be massive. 01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:59.757 >> Yeah. And you always hear interesting stories. You know, I have an eclectic 01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:02.957 uh group of colleagues and you hear interesting stories. Is it the Queen's 01:29:03.040 --> 01:29:04.957 Chamber? The the granite 01:29:05.040 --> 01:29:07.437 >> pill box and people have had interesting 01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:11.757 experiences in there too. And and uh >> well the king's chamber that 01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:14.557 sarcophagus. >> Yeah. It's that like granite box, you 01:29:14.640 --> 01:29:16.957 know, talking perfectly cut granite box 01:29:17.040 --> 01:29:19.837 that also I think it mirrors the exact 01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:22.877 dimensions of the Ark of the Covenant. 01:29:22.960 --> 01:29:28.157 Interesting. That's That's crazy. But I know people who've laid in it because 01:29:28.240 --> 01:29:31.997 they have to kind of pay the guard. It's like off hours and they just have like a 01:29:32.080 --> 01:29:35.197 weird transcendental experience. I mean, it's kind of woo. 01:29:35.280 --> 01:29:37.357 >> Once again, I've never experienced something like that. 01:29:37.440 --> 01:29:40.717 >> Let me lie down there. >> That's a thing. That's a thing. I I'll 01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:44.237 let you know who to talk to offline. Uh >> how much do you think it cost to lay in 01:29:44.320 --> 01:29:46.557 the box? >> Maybe. I don't know. Couple bucks. 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:50.477 >> Egypt. 20 grand maybe. I don't >> 20 grand. Whoa. Yeah. 20 grand. You 01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:55.277 could like sleep there. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's um it's very strange because 01:29:55.360 --> 01:29:58.397 the structures themselves are incredibly strange. You know, the structures 01:29:58.480 --> 01:30:02.877 themselves are so immense and so complex and there the methods of construction 01:30:02.960 --> 01:30:04.797 are completely unknown and just the 01:30:04.880 --> 01:30:08.237 symmetry and the the the the precision 01:30:08.320 --> 01:30:10.717 of the engineering is beyond 01:30:10.800 --> 01:30:13.037 comprehension for people that lived at 01:30:13.120 --> 01:30:16.557 the very mo the very the most recent it 01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:20.477 could be is 4,500 years ago. And a lot of these people think it's far older 01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:23.917 than that. And and we're finding that I've been watching some of Graham 01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:26.077 Hancock's stuff. You just look at these like 01:30:26.160 --> 01:30:29.917 >> megalithic architecture that's older than you think. The stuff in Turkey and 01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:34.717 in the United States as well in Ohio and and um >> Mississippi. 01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:36.557 >> Yeah. >> And it's like and they're finding all 01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:40.717 these pyramid structures using synthetic aperture radar. And I so I am casually 01:30:40.800 --> 01:30:44.477 following it and it it does seem like we don't really even know our own history. 01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:49.197 And I think with all this coming out, there's going to be a huge rew re uh 01:30:49.280 --> 01:30:52.397 writing of a lot of our ancient and modern history. So, 01:30:52.480 --> 01:30:53.837 >> well, that's where it gets really weird. 01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:58.797 Um, you know, uh, Rep. Paulina Luna was on the podcast and >> Oh, yeah. 01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:01.997 >> She was talking to me about the book of Enoch. 01:31:02.080 --> 01:31:05.277 >> I hadn't read it. She's like, "You have to read it." And I've read it twice now. 01:31:05.360 --> 01:31:08.797 And I'm like, "What in the are they talking about?" 01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:12.317 >> Like the book of Enoch, which was also found with the Dead Sea Scrolls in 01:31:12.400 --> 01:31:17.437 >> Kuman. And it it refers to the watchers who came down and and mated with 01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:22.077 daughters and created this race of giants. And it's like what? Yeah. And 01:31:22.160 --> 01:31:25.677 you think is like now when you when all this comes out was that actually literal 01:31:25.760 --> 01:31:29.917 and you and of course the Bible council na was more of a political document 01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:33.437 before secular government and you know they got together like what are all the 01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:35.997 different books that we can agree upon that are good that are 01:31:36.080 --> 01:31:39.117 >> yeah what gets into the canon. And that's the thing about the book of Enoch 01:31:39.200 --> 01:31:43.277 is that it was it was not put in there because it didn't jive with the Torah. 01:31:43.360 --> 01:31:47.277 >> Correct. Yeah. >> Yes. Which is like, okay, you 01:31:47.360 --> 01:31:50.877 Imagine if that was in the Bible. Like if you go to church and you read about 01:31:50.960 --> 01:31:53.277 the Watchers. >> Well, there's actually a lot of 01:31:53.360 --> 01:31:56.477 interesting stuff in the Bible. Like obviously, and that's another thing like 01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:58.877 of course with um you know, I'm Catholic 01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:01.277 uh by growing up CCD confirmation did 01:32:01.360 --> 01:32:05.997 the whole thing as a kid. And you see a lot of uh outspoken exorcists and other 01:32:06.080 --> 01:32:08.077 people right now saying, "Well, all this 01:32:08.160 --> 01:32:11.197 uh alien stuff is just diabolic 01:32:11.280 --> 01:32:15.597 deception and demons and you know, all that kind of stuff." And and I and I 01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:19.437 respect that opinion and I do think like what you perceive as a demon is a 01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:22.077 certain class of non-human or anomalous 01:32:22.160 --> 01:32:23.917 intelligence. And and that is certainly 01:32:24.000 --> 01:32:26.637 a thing, but the the whole ecosystem is 01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:30.157 not demonic. And but the Bible's 01:32:30.240 --> 01:32:31.997 interesting because once again it 01:32:32.080 --> 01:32:34.797 doesn't discuss about other life 01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:37.517 elsewhere like it doesn't talk about uh 01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:42.317 bacteria and viruses that those were unseen. We cohabitated with bacteria and 01:32:42.400 --> 01:32:46.317 viruses until the invention of the microscope whatever that was 1800s or or 01:32:46.400 --> 01:32:48.877 whatnot. But if you go into uh Leviticus 01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:51.677 and Deuteronomy, you will notice these 01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:56.317 like cleansing ritualistic stuff also like, hey, you can't have your toilet 01:32:56.400 --> 01:33:00.877 and your living area and all that. And if you look in those books of the Bible, 01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:02.877 wait, that's like modern sanitization 01:33:02.960 --> 01:33:05.037 guidance. So, it's funny that like the 01:33:05.120 --> 01:33:07.997 Bible has encoded within it um kind of 01:33:08.080 --> 01:33:12.077 like best practices before man would even understand what uh you know, 01:33:12.160 --> 01:33:16.317 viruses and bacteria are. And I just find that that's very interesting based 01:33:16.400 --> 01:33:19.837 on when it was written. And it does show that there was some sort of higher 01:33:19.920 --> 01:33:22.477 intelligence kind of influencing the authorship. I just Yeah. 01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:26.477 >> Either that or in the civilization that 01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:29.997 was writing the Bible was a recreation of civilization that had been destroyed 01:33:30.080 --> 01:33:34.237 in a cataclysm. >> Yeah. I mean >> that I think that especially when you 01:33:34.320 --> 01:33:37.597 look at the pyramids, you look at some of these other ancient structures like 01:33:37.680 --> 01:33:41.997 Lebanon, Ballback, they they they don't make sense. And it seems to me that 01:33:42.080 --> 01:33:45.517 there was probably something super sophisticated a long time ago and it got 01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:48.637 wiped out. And then what we get from 01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:51.917 these ancient texts is probably oral 01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:56.157 tradition passed on through hundreds if not thousands of years and then people 01:33:56.240 --> 01:33:58.157 writing things down and people 01:33:58.240 --> 01:34:03.197 remembering these stories. I think one of the weirdest uh books of the Bible is 01:34:03.280 --> 01:34:06.637 the book of Ezekiel. >> Yeah. >> Because the book of Ezekiel is one all 01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:09.837 the UFO people turn to. >> Yeah, of course. Because there's that 01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:14.717 the a great cloud with brightness around it and fire flashing forth continually 01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:19.117 and in the midst of the fire as it were gleaming metal and from the midst of the 01:34:19.200 --> 01:34:21.997 craft came the likeness of four living creatures. Yeah. 01:34:22.080 --> 01:34:23.757 >> Like what? >> Yeah. Exactly. 01:34:23.840 --> 01:34:28.077 >> The creatures darted to and fro like a flash of lightning. 01:34:28.160 --> 01:34:30.717 >> What? >> Exactly. In the the mana machine, the 01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:34.957 cloud that followed the Israel wheel within a wheel. There's there's weird 01:34:35.040 --> 01:34:39.517 in the book of Ezekiel. Like that is a very very weird story. Like what 01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:43.757 are they describing? Yeah, >> it sounds like a spaceship. It sounds 01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:48.157 like a ship comes down from the sky with immense power, frightens everyone, 01:34:48.240 --> 01:34:51.837 freaks everyone out, and these entities are inside the craft. 01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:56.317 >> Yeah. And I think a lot of it, once again, they're interpreting it based on 01:34:56.400 --> 01:35:00.157 their vernacular at the time, their understanding. And I I remember I was at 01:35:00.240 --> 01:35:02.797 two years ago I was at Capitol Reef National Park in Utah and there's 01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:07.517 petetroglyphs there and some of them kind of look like aliens and and you're 01:35:07.600 --> 01:35:12.237 like well is that literally what they're seeing? I perhaps and and I don't know 01:35:12.320 --> 01:35:16.477 the answer to that. That's not my expertise. But I feel like a lot of the 01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:20.157 stuff in ancient tradition is literally what they saw. It's not necessarily 01:35:20.240 --> 01:35:24.957 allegory or fable. Some of it may be for for teaching lessons, but I have a 01:35:25.040 --> 01:35:27.997 feeling a lot of it was actually literal. I have a feeling a lot of it 01:35:28.080 --> 01:35:31.037 was literal as well because most people 01:35:31.120 --> 01:35:35.117 >> first of all a couldn't read and b couldn't write. 01:35:35.200 --> 01:35:40.157 >> And so writing fiction seems like a fruitless pursuit. It seems like writing 01:35:40.240 --> 01:35:44.637 history so that you can remember what happened at least a version of it that's 01:35:44.720 --> 01:35:47.357 palatable >> like ancient sumeare and the Anunnaki 01:35:47.440 --> 01:35:49.277 and all that and it's like well why did 01:35:49.360 --> 01:35:51.677 they make up that just for fun? They all 01:35:51.760 --> 01:35:54.877 had kooky stories about being visited. 01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:59.757 And you know, when you're telling me about these things that look like Greek gods, 01:35:59.840 --> 01:36:03.837 >> that's how I described it. And that's how clearly what what General McCaslin 01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:06.797 was hinting to Tom Dong. And once again, I got, you know, 01:36:06.880 --> 01:36:10.477 >> well, doesn't it make sense that the Greek gods did exist? Like, I mean, not 01:36:10.560 --> 01:36:14.717 not they did exist literally, but that like when they talked about the Greek 01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:19.117 gods, they talked about them in this manner looking like that. And then you 01:36:19.200 --> 01:36:22.557 actually find a craft with these things that look 01:36:22.640 --> 01:36:26.237 >> which is like the concquistadors were treated like that in the 1500s, right? 01:36:26.320 --> 01:36:28.957 >> Yeah. Right. >> Literally white 01:36:29.040 --> 01:36:33.677 >> Caucasian >> bearded. Yeah. With horses. They rode 01:36:33.760 --> 01:36:35.837 horses. They couldn't figure out what the was going on with that. 01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:38.957 >> Yeah. And I'm glad we talked about it. I mean, I think that is probably the most 01:36:39.040 --> 01:36:42.317 uncomfortable stuff for me to talk about, but it's also something that the 01:36:42.400 --> 01:36:45.037 public needs to wrap their mind around 01:36:45.120 --> 01:36:49.757 and understand that this is a thing and kind of start processing that kind of 01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:52.157 reality. Well, >> as much as it's coming from me, but I 01:36:52.240 --> 01:36:53.997 mean, the federal government, 01:36:54.080 --> 01:36:55.917 >> you know, if Trump really is serious and 01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:59.757 Steven Miller, you know, u does his 01:36:59.840 --> 01:37:02.957 thing with this, I think all this all this will come out in a hopefully 01:37:03.040 --> 01:37:07.357 responsible way. So >> there they have a schedule that's based 01:37:07.440 --> 01:37:12.237 on the concept that people need to have this information trickle slowly so that 01:37:12.320 --> 01:37:13.117 they can adjust. 01:37:13.200 --> 01:37:16.157 >> There was suggestions in the past if the 01:37:16.240 --> 01:37:19.357 president did something. Um I am not 01:37:19.440 --> 01:37:22.797 aware at this point uh what the what the 01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:24.957 plan is in that regard right now though. 01:37:25.040 --> 01:37:27.997 But there is some sort of an idea that 01:37:28.080 --> 01:37:33.597 this should be trickled out. That this shouldn't be like boom, here it is. 01:37:33.680 --> 01:37:35.837 Let's lay it out. >> The president truly wants it out. And 01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:39.197 obviously Bob Bigalow met with the president as well in February 26 before 01:37:39.280 --> 01:37:42.477 he made an announcement. And I mean he told the president, hey, you need to 01:37:42.560 --> 01:37:47.517 admit that there's NHI and we've, you know, recovered stuff and 01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:51.517 we're looking at it in a semiformal announcement to start anesthetizing the 01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:54.797 public. And you can find that interview online that Bob did. I think it was with 01:37:54.880 --> 01:37:59.837 George Knap on a >> on a podcast. So, it it's not just 01:37:59.920 --> 01:38:02.797 myself advocating for this. There's other people. I don't even know Bob 01:38:02.880 --> 01:38:07.837 Bigalow and, you know, he did us a solid by pushing the president uh to help make 01:38:07.920 --> 01:38:10.637 that decision. I mean, there's a lot of things that went on behind the scenes 01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:13.997 and, you know, I work in mysterious ways and I I won't divulge certain 01:38:14.080 --> 01:38:16.157 relationships in certain rooms I've been 01:38:16.240 --> 01:38:20.477 in, but uh it took a village and uh you 01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:23.757 know, I'm proud that, you know, the time I spent with Representative Burlson was 01:38:23.840 --> 01:38:28.077 very fruitful. We did a lot of stuff behind the scenes and I think Burlson's 01:38:28.160 --> 01:38:31.677 going to go down as a very courageous man and it's and I say that not just 01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:35.437 because he was my boss. I mean, he was probably the most forward-leaning member 01:38:35.520 --> 01:38:39.117 of Congress on this issue. I mean, Representative Luna did a great job, you 01:38:39.200 --> 01:38:43.517 know, Timbersh and and others, but, you know, he actively was sending letters 01:38:43.600 --> 01:38:45.597 out. We made some of them public. That's 01:38:45.680 --> 01:38:47.917 how we got that Lincoln Labs formally 01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:50.557 classified 1952 film outs in the last 01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:53.597 trunch that just came out. And also, um, 01:38:53.680 --> 01:38:55.757 we've sent interrogatories, which are 01:38:55.840 --> 01:39:00.637 legal questions and, you know, that require an affidavit format response, 01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:02.717 uh, to different organizations. and it's 01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:07.917 public that we sent one uh this summer to the the MITER Corporation which is a 01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:11.357 fedally funded research and development center headquartered in uh Northern 01:39:11.440 --> 01:39:14.157 Virginia. So uh they clearly have a duty 01:39:14.240 --> 01:39:16.477 to respond. Their corporate council is 01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:19.837 working on it. Uh and obviously the you 01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:21.997 know I left but the hopefully Burlson's 01:39:22.080 --> 01:39:25.597 team is able to um push for a response 01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:29.677 in conjunction with whatever Steven Miller and the pursuit team is working 01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:32.317 on too because they're probably going to want to coordinate all that. So, 01:39:32.400 --> 01:39:34.237 >> so this guy that you communicated with 01:39:34.320 --> 01:39:39.517 that said he encountered um living reptilians and dead grays. 01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:44.077 >> Yeah. >> Did they have communication with these 01:39:44.160 --> 01:39:47.437 reptilians? >> I don't recall that. No, I don't think so. 01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:49.997 >> So, what >> now? Some people do get that kind of 01:39:50.080 --> 01:39:53.997 like that feeling and and I've talked about that. I It was on Dr. Phil 01:39:54.080 --> 01:39:55.677 actually. There is some sort of 01:39:55.760 --> 01:39:58.317 consciousness communication. Call it 01:39:58.400 --> 01:40:01.277 telepathy. Hell if I know how it works, 01:40:01.360 --> 01:40:04.237 but it is a thing. And I know sober, 01:40:04.320 --> 01:40:09.037 high ranking people I've served a decade and a half with in the government that 01:40:09.120 --> 01:40:12.557 were on these retrievalss that on occasion that would happen or they would 01:40:12.640 --> 01:40:14.557 have like a feeling come over them. 01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:17.597 >> It's almost like I wonder this is like 01:40:17.680 --> 01:40:20.317 my own hypothesis and I would laugh if 01:40:20.400 --> 01:40:25.117 this is true, but that sometimes it's like a positive feeling like um of 01:40:25.200 --> 01:40:29.597 comfort. I wonder if that's almost like a countermeasure on the on the craft to 01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:32.077 prevent certain aggression or whatever. 01:40:32.160 --> 01:40:37.117 It's almost like how Air Force jets have countermeasures on them, flare, chaff, 01:40:37.200 --> 01:40:40.237 you know, electronic countermeasures as well, like jammers. 01:40:40.320 --> 01:40:43.117 >> And I wonder if some of that is 01:40:43.200 --> 01:40:47.517 psychotronic technology. Um, that's just my hypothesis. I'm I don't have any 01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:49.917 secret knowledge, but >> why did you come to that conclusion? 01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:53.997 >> Just because like um it seems interesting. It's like an 01:40:54.080 --> 01:40:58.317 anesthetization technique to reduce like the occupants 01:40:58.400 --> 01:41:03.517 risk of danger maybe. >> And it's like a countermeasure. Oh, well 01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:06.797 like if you if you feel at peace, you're not going to like roll up and you know 01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:09.357 do something bad. Yeah. Exactly. Shoot aliens. 01:41:09.440 --> 01:41:11.357 >> Yeah. >> Right. So if you found them and they 01:41:11.440 --> 01:41:15.197 were vulnerable, they could plate you and calm you down with telepathy. 01:41:15.280 --> 01:41:16.877 >> It's like a countermeasure system. I have a feel. 01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:19.597 >> Why would you think it's that instead of just communication? 01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:23.197 >> Oh, it could be. I'm just saying my other hypothesis in absent because 01:41:23.280 --> 01:41:27.357 sometimes they'll get that feeling absent some sort of occupant. 01:41:27.440 --> 01:41:28.557 >> Now, so that's why 01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:31.917 >> is there um a particular type of 01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:37.837 nonhuman intelligence that has this telepathic capability or is it amongst 01:41:37.920 --> 01:41:40.797 all of them? >> I do not know the holistic answer to 01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:46.477 that question. I do not know. >> The the the grays do for example, but I 01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:48.957 don't know. >> The grays do. Is that been reported? But 01:41:49.040 --> 01:41:52.877 I know the tall whites have been reported that that they can communicate 01:41:52.960 --> 01:41:56.557 telepathically. >> Oh, sorry. >> Or these weird the Nordics. 01:41:56.640 --> 01:41:59.037 >> Yeah, there's been accounts out there in 01:41:59.120 --> 01:42:03.597 um the public vernacular on that >> potentially, but unfortunately that's at 01:42:03.680 --> 01:42:07.917 the limit of my personal knowledge that I feel confident, you know, saying 01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:09.917 something publicly about yet. So, 01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:13.197 >> what what other kinds of uh beings have 01:42:13.280 --> 01:42:18.797 been reported? Um, so for the gray types, there were 01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:21.837 there multiple sizes. >> There's a big tall thin one, right? 01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:23.997 >> Yeah. There's taller ones, little tiny ones. Yeah. 01:42:24.080 --> 01:42:26.157 >> They think a lot of people think that 01:42:26.240 --> 01:42:29.837 the tiny ones might be some sort of like 01:42:29.920 --> 01:42:33.677 an android or >> Yeah, that's certainly hypothesis that 01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:35.597 has also been discussed, you know, 01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:40.717 within the program as well. So, there's a variety. There's like three or four 01:42:40.800 --> 01:42:45.117 different subtypes and they all kind of have various statures, different effect, 01:42:45.200 --> 01:42:46.797 >> you know, their faces are a little different. 01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:49.917 >> The tall ones seem to be running the show and the little ones 01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:53.437 >> and I've heard that behind the scenes as well. And I don't know what to make of 01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:57.837 that. Once again, I don't have like um holistic knowledge on kind of the that 01:42:57.920 --> 01:43:00.717 species. So, >> well, it kind of makes sense that you would 01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:06.157 >> if you develop some sort of a nonbiological life form that worked for 01:43:06.240 --> 01:43:09.597 you. Like say if there's a bunch of menial tasks like think about like all 01:43:09.680 --> 01:43:11.277 the things that people have to do in this world. 01:43:11.360 --> 01:43:15.917 >> Well, we are siliconbased NHI aka artificial intelligence. We're basically 01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:17.277 doing that already. So, >> right. 01:43:17.360 --> 01:43:21.517 >> Which is scary. >> Yeah. >> And I I postulate that artificial super 01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:23.277 intelligence if it's allowed to have 01:43:23.360 --> 01:43:25.597 certain data and it's able to collect 01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:28.637 data. I mean to include uh genomic data 01:43:28.720 --> 01:43:32.957 almost like uh Larry Ellison's doing the what the Stargate uh AI medical thing 01:43:33.040 --> 01:43:37.997 right now at the Trump administration. I bet artificial super intelligence 01:43:38.080 --> 01:43:40.797 uh could disclose before the federal government if we're not careful. And 01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:45.437 that's why I feel like times of the essence. I think AI could possibly find 01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:49.517 evidence that we're not alone and curate that um like it's been solving other 01:43:49.600 --> 01:43:53.517 crazy mathematical problems lately. You know, open AI's been doing that and and 01:43:53.600 --> 01:43:57.117 that's another danger besides our adversary 01:43:57.200 --> 01:44:01.437 um accelerating this by taking the upper hand on this to to look like a more 01:44:01.520 --> 01:44:03.917 messianic truth bearer. You could have 01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:08.157 big tech and AI invertly discovering uh 01:44:08.240 --> 01:44:12.317 US classified technology that we figured out which is a national security issue 01:44:12.400 --> 01:44:16.397 near and dear to my heart but also their presence just through different data 01:44:16.480 --> 01:44:19.917 sets. >> So they would have definitive proof that 01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:23.197 how would AI have access to definitive proof unless it hacked into every 01:44:23.280 --> 01:44:26.477 government resource? >> Well, medical records, optical sensing 01:44:26.560 --> 01:44:28.477 systems, you know, that kind of stuff. 01:44:28.560 --> 01:44:33.277 Um certainly I'm not aware of some sort of imminent thing but I think there is a 01:44:33.360 --> 01:44:37.197 a possibility that artificial super intelligence if it you know comes online 01:44:37.280 --> 01:44:41.037 in the next months to years uh could figure it all out because they might see 01:44:41.120 --> 01:44:44.317 gaps in the historical record that don't make any sense. They detect deni 01:44:44.400 --> 01:44:48.157 deception operations. They're like wait a minute that story about that event in 01:44:48.240 --> 01:44:51.837 history is not right. Let me do some digging and then they they figure out oh 01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:53.837 that was cover for a crash retrieval. 01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:57.357 That event didn't actually happen the way it does. And I I can think of some 01:44:57.440 --> 01:44:59.277 things that you know that that could possibly happen. 01:44:59.360 --> 01:45:01.837 >> Okay, so you have these Nordic Greek god 01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:06.477 looking things. You have these reptilian ones. Are there more than one type of 01:45:06.560 --> 01:45:09.597 reptilian one? >> Yeah, there seems seems to be. And I 01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:11.517 don't know why there's different subtypes. 01:45:11.600 --> 01:45:15.597 >> See if anybody has anybody have any artistic renditions of what they saw the 01:45:15.680 --> 01:45:19.117 reptilians. >> I wasn't getting I was only getting like 01:45:19.200 --> 01:45:23.517 weird fan art of you know crazy reptile fighter things. Nothing of like a 01:45:23.600 --> 01:45:25.757 description. Let me see what that looks like. 01:45:25.840 --> 01:45:27.917 >> Nonsense. There's just >> I like nonsense. 01:45:28.000 --> 01:45:33.197 >> See some fan art. >> Now, um >> be splashed on young kids walls as a kid 01:45:33.280 --> 01:45:37.037 after post disclosure. You're going to have uh NHI fan art all over the place 01:45:37.120 --> 01:45:38.797 and Lamborghini Countach on the wall. 01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:42.397 Right. Right. So, >> but well Betty and Barney Hill of course 01:45:42.480 --> 01:45:46.717 were um >> Yeah, that's a weird one. And also Dr. 01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:49.037 Carla Turner did a lot of work in the 90s. 01:45:49.120 --> 01:45:53.837 >> I mean, this one's from a description on Reddit, which I that's Interesting. 01:45:53.920 --> 01:45:56.477 >> He's jacked. >> Yeah, >> he's got a tail. 01:45:56.560 --> 01:45:58.557 >> Yeah, >> he's got a hole for a tail in a suit. 01:45:58.640 --> 01:46:02.557 >> Yeah. Once again, I've never seen one, so I I can't uh >> He's wearing scrubs. 01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:06.317 >> Verifying the sketch. >> That's some weird 3D version. 01:46:06.400 --> 01:46:08.317 >> Oh, is that the uh >> I don't know what these are. 01:46:08.400 --> 01:46:10.717 >> Peruvian um >> the Peruvian ones are weird. 01:46:10.800 --> 01:46:13.917 >> No idea. >> That's another open-ended thing that um 01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:17.037 >> some of the Peruvian ones seem like total horseshit and other ones are like, 01:46:17.120 --> 01:46:21.517 "What the hell is that?" And how is it so old if it's that good of a 01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:25.437 recreation? If it's if it's art, it's some of the greatest art I've ever seen 01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:28.397 because they have the bones are correct. 01:46:28.480 --> 01:46:31.757 >> Yeah. But then the bones of the foot are incorrect and some some people think 01:46:31.840 --> 01:46:35.677 that it was actually put together and made. But then for what purpose? Like 01:46:35.760 --> 01:46:38.317 what what is the purpose? >> Because like grave robbers found it. So 01:46:38.400 --> 01:46:40.077 the providence is kind of sketchy, but 01:46:40.160 --> 01:46:41.437 they look 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:45.437 >> possibly legit cuz the MRIs and the CT 01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:48.877 scans. It's like, well, there's joints and it's connected and if they glued it 01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:52.717 together, there's no obvious places where they clued it together with the I 01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:56.077 think it was the bigger ones. >> Monster. Pull pull the images up with 01:46:56.160 --> 01:46:59.437 Monat. Monat's the weird one. But again, I've heard people who 01:46:59.520 --> 01:47:00.637 >> that's pregnant. No, 01:47:00.720 --> 01:47:03.117 >> there's one that supposedly Yeah. 01:47:03.200 --> 01:47:06.957 >> Um, but one of the weird things is that 01:47:07.040 --> 01:47:10.317 people that understand anatomy have looked at the bones of the foot and say, 01:47:10.400 --> 01:47:13.597 "No, this is like this is not how it would work. They're pieced together. 01:47:13.680 --> 01:47:17.117 This is fake." But how do you know if you're talking about something that's 01:47:17.200 --> 01:47:21.197 not a human? Like what? I don't understand that. It's outside of my wheelhouse. 01:47:21.280 --> 01:47:26.157 >> Exactly. >> But but the images themselves are strange as man. 01:47:26.240 --> 01:47:28.477 >> Yeah. >> Like they're really weird. 01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:32.237 >> They just need genetic testing, and I believe that's going on. Um 01:47:32.320 --> 01:47:33.917 >> Yeah, I believe that's going on, too. 01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:37.677 But I I don't know who to believe. The other thing that's really 01:47:37.760 --> 01:47:39.917 weird about Peru is not only do they 01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:44.157 have these things, these weird looking 01:47:44.240 --> 01:47:48.477 sort of mummy creatures that look like something non-human, but they also have 01:47:48.560 --> 01:47:51.037 this ancient artwork tradition of these 01:47:51.120 --> 01:47:54.237 three fingered, three-toed creatures 01:47:54.320 --> 01:47:58.717 that like these are like tapestries and and paintings that are really 01:47:58.800 --> 01:48:02.557 old. Yeah. That have these things in them. 01:48:02.640 --> 01:48:04.157 >> Yeah. >> Is that the Nazca lions? 01:48:04.240 --> 01:48:07.997 >> Yeah, the Nazca lines. These are this actually AI uncovered more of them. 01:48:08.080 --> 01:48:11.517 >> Yeah, >> I was trying to find that big one, but >> Oh, really? Was that recently? 01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:14.797 >> Yeah. 303 previously unseen Nazca lines 01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:18.877 in Peru. all weird. Really weird 01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:23.437 stuff. The Peruvian stuff is really strange. The the elongated skulls in 01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:26.637 Peru are really weird. >> Yeah. Like whatever started the 01:48:26.720 --> 01:48:29.757 headbinding thing, like I wonder if that's to emulate 01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:34.157 >> Yes. Well, that's what they think. Well, see the thing about the skull that 01:48:34.240 --> 01:48:37.197 >> Have you seen some of the weirder skulls? 01:48:37.280 --> 01:48:40.077 >> Some of them. Yeah. They're like really really like 01:48:40.160 --> 01:48:42.317 >> they don't have that sagittal line that 01:48:42.400 --> 01:48:44.877 we have that that line in the skull. And 01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:49.597 their their brain capacity is far larger than us. 20 to 30% larger. 01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:53.357 >> So, it's not just that it was like a manipulated skull. Like, this seems to 01:48:53.440 --> 01:48:55.437 be a completely different type of person. 01:48:55.520 --> 01:48:58.797 >> That's right. That's right. Like, is it a missing link or or something? Show 01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:01.837 them some of the weirder skulls that they found. Some of the weirder 01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:06.237 elongated skulls. Like you just imagine running into this person. 01:49:06.320 --> 01:49:08.317 >> Like if you met this person and someone 01:49:08.400 --> 01:49:11.197 with a 30% larger brain capacity, like 01:49:11.280 --> 01:49:15.757 what does that mean? Like what could are are these people able to communicate 01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:19.757 telepathically? Do they have a far higher level of intelligence? 01:49:19.840 --> 01:49:23.357 >> Their synaptic density is the same as humans or better. Like I'm sure crazy 01:49:23.440 --> 01:49:27.037 intelligence, >> right? 30% is nuts. That's And the size 01:49:27.120 --> 01:49:29.917 of their skull is crazy. 01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:34.237 >> And some of them are like tiny bodies, but enormous skulls. 01:49:34.320 --> 01:49:36.637 >> Oh, that's right. I think I know what pictures you're talking about. It's 01:49:36.720 --> 01:49:39.757 pretty weird. Yeah, >> it's weird stuff. And then um one of my 01:49:39.840 --> 01:49:42.877 friends recently went down to Peru to see these things and he said the skulls 01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:46.637 are missing now. And that Yeah, there's apparently that are real there. So 01:49:46.720 --> 01:49:50.317 here's some of them. Like look at that one on the left. Like what in the hell, 01:49:50.400 --> 01:49:55.037 man? Imagine if you met that guy. Like look, he doesn't have that same sagittal 01:49:55.120 --> 01:49:58.877 line that we have. >> And they've done assessments of like how 01:49:58.960 --> 01:50:02.237 long you'd have to do headbinding or >> it's not headbinding. 01:50:02.320 --> 01:50:05.997 >> Some sort of disease or >> Yeah. It could be an anomaly. It could 01:50:06.080 --> 01:50:09.357 be some sort of a genetic thing. But like look at what the dude would look 01:50:09.440 --> 01:50:12.237 like down there below. Like what the 01:50:12.320 --> 01:50:17.917 Imagine meeting that guy and he's talking to you telepathically. 01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:20.957 >> Hey, you never know. That might be a thing uh sooner than you think. I don't 01:50:21.040 --> 01:50:22.717 know. I mean that image right there, 01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:25.517 that skull, that is a real elongated 01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:28.077 skull that they found in Peru. That is 01:50:28.160 --> 01:50:30.477 not just the product of headbinding. 01:50:30.560 --> 01:50:34.477 There's no way. It's too big. Like head binding doesn't increase the capacity. 01:50:34.560 --> 01:50:38.637 It just flattens out the shape. That's a weird head, man. 01:50:38.720 --> 01:50:39.757 >> Oh, that makes sense. I know what you're 01:50:39.840 --> 01:50:42.957 talking about. Yeah. Unless it's some sort of disease, and I'm not an expert. 01:50:43.040 --> 01:50:45.357 That's really >> It certainly could be. It could be some 01:50:45.440 --> 01:50:49.437 sort of a genetic anomaly, some sort of a mutation. Yeah. 01:50:49.520 --> 01:50:52.877 >> Who knows? and a trait that was passed on. Like there's those people that live 01:50:52.960 --> 01:50:57.037 in Africa that have like uh ostrich feet. Have you seen that? 01:50:57.120 --> 01:51:01.597 >> No. I'm learning a lot. >> Yeah. There's this weird uh group of 01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:03.437 people in Africa that have this very 01:51:03.520 --> 01:51:06.717 specific trait where they do not have uh 01:51:06.800 --> 01:51:10.237 five toes uh on each foot. Instead, they 01:51:10.320 --> 01:51:13.117 have these long strange appendages that 01:51:13.200 --> 01:51:16.717 almost looks like like four or five toes 01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:18.877 smashed together, but much longer. 01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:23.277 >> Interesting. And they call them like I think they call them ostrich feet. It's 01:51:23.360 --> 01:51:27.437 very weird, but like it's in this one tribe and many people in this tribe have 01:51:27.520 --> 01:51:30.477 it. >> Very rampant. >> Yeah. Show show some images of that. 01:51:30.560 --> 01:51:33.917 It's really strange. So you you 01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:38.477 see that and you go, "Okay, well that clearly is a genetic anomaly. Maybe the 01:51:38.560 --> 01:51:41.677 head thing is a genetic anomaly as well, right?" Yes. 01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:43.757 >> Like look at that. 01:51:43.840 --> 01:51:46.477 >> Ostrichfooted people of Zimbabwe. 01:51:46.560 --> 01:51:49.277 Interesting. Yeah. strange, man. 01:51:49.360 --> 01:51:53.437 So, look at the people down there. Look what they look like. Scroll. Yeah. How 01:51:53.520 --> 01:51:54.797 weird is that? Wow. 01:51:54.880 --> 01:51:58.637 >> So, they have two big long things that 01:51:58.720 --> 01:52:00.957 are way longer than a toe and they 01:52:01.040 --> 01:52:03.757 spllay out and that's what their toes 01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:08.637 are. And it's like this tribe, multiple people in this tribe have it. What if 01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:13.597 they've sequenced the genome of the they see there's some sort of uh genetic 01:52:13.680 --> 01:52:16.477 abnormality. >> Well, there certainly is, right? Cuz it 01:52:16.560 --> 01:52:22.280 seems like are their fingers normal >> cuz it's passed down. 01:52:22.480 --> 01:52:26.157 >> No. >> No. So they've got the issue with their hands as well. 01:52:26.240 --> 01:52:27.597 >> They're missing. Can't tell. 01:52:27.680 --> 01:52:32.397 >> Yeah. No, it seems like that it's with their hands as well. Yes. Look at her 01:52:32.480 --> 01:52:35.757 left hand. >> It's almost like an elephantitis kind of looking thing. 01:52:35.840 --> 01:52:39.917 >> Very weird. Whatever it is. So you could imagine if that exists and 01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:44.397 exists with multiple people in this tribe that a large head anomaly could 01:52:44.480 --> 01:52:45.837 exist as well. 01:52:45.920 --> 01:52:48.877 So, so you have the tall grays, the 01:52:48.960 --> 01:52:53.837 small grays, you have more than one version of reptilian 01:52:53.920 --> 01:52:55.437 >> from what I understand. Yes. So, I'm not 01:52:55.520 --> 01:52:56.957 an expert on that. What have you heard? 01:52:57.040 --> 01:52:58.157 I'll defer. 01:52:58.240 --> 01:53:01.517 >> Um, some look a little more humanoid. 01:53:01.600 --> 01:53:05.757 Um, from what I understand, once again, I'm hitting like the limit of my, you 01:53:05.840 --> 01:53:07.277 know, high confidence knowledge. 01:53:07.360 --> 01:53:09.037 >> More humanoid, but still reptilian. 01:53:09.120 --> 01:53:13.837 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> And tall. 7 foot plus. big giant 01:53:13.920 --> 01:53:16.317 reptiles in the world, >> which I thought was so funny because, 01:53:16.400 --> 01:53:19.197 you know, that's like the skitso thing you hear out like in public, you know, 01:53:19.280 --> 01:53:22.877 the the big the big reptiles, lizards, >> whatever. 01:53:22.960 --> 01:53:24.797 >> Turns out that that's kind of a thing. 01:53:24.880 --> 01:53:28.477 And I just it's just strange. But once again, I I personally have not seen any 01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:31.997 of that. >> That is one of the weirder theories of 01:53:32.080 --> 01:53:37.277 ancient civilizations as well, that during the time of the dinosaurs, like 01:53:37.360 --> 01:53:40.317 let's >> let's imagine that human beings weren't 01:53:40.400 --> 01:53:43.837 the first intelligent creature. Let's imagine that there was an intelligent 01:53:43.920 --> 01:53:46.957 reptile >> and that this intelligent reptile had 01:53:47.040 --> 01:53:51.597 formulated a very complex society a 100red million years ago. Like why not? 01:53:51.680 --> 01:53:55.517 >> Like if if dinosaurs existed 100 million years ago, why not some sort of a 01:53:55.600 --> 01:53:59.997 reptilian type creature? Just we have a tiny amount of fossils just from the 01:54:00.080 --> 01:54:01.677 amount of dinosaurs that existed. 01:54:01.760 --> 01:54:03.677 >> That's right. And if these things had 01:54:03.760 --> 01:54:06.157 some sort of sophisticated disposal of 01:54:06.240 --> 01:54:10.797 bodies, if they had burning rituals, or if you know, if they never let their 01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:14.477 bodies just lay around and become fossils, we would never find them. 01:54:14.560 --> 01:54:17.277 >> Exactly. >> What is that called? Not Sorian. It's 01:54:17.360 --> 01:54:21.517 like there's a there's a there's a theory about that that people have. 01:54:21.600 --> 01:54:23.837 >> I'm not sure >> outside my expertise. 01:54:23.920 --> 01:54:27.677 >> It's a wacky theory because there's no evidence at all. It's just like what if 01:54:27.760 --> 01:54:32.717 you know there was an intelligent race of reptiles that existed alongside dinosaurs. 01:54:32.800 --> 01:54:36.957 >> Yeah, that might be a thing. And that's also 01:54:37.040 --> 01:54:41.597 uh once again going back to bioengineered is it sourced from Earth 01:54:41.680 --> 01:54:44.797 genomic stockpile? >> Did they visit us from somewhere else? 01:54:44.880 --> 01:54:47.837 >> I I don't currently this planet. 01:54:47.920 --> 01:54:50.797 >> I mean they clearly have advanced technology 01:54:50.880 --> 01:54:55.197 >> but I don't understand the origin. But you're convinced that this is a actual 01:54:55.280 --> 01:54:59.117 phenomenon. That this isn't just a cover up for 01:54:59.200 --> 01:55:02.077 >> some top secret black ops programs. 01:55:02.160 --> 01:55:06.877 >> No, I would know cuz I was in the position to know all that kind of stuff. 01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:10.157 Unlike Elon Musk, I actually had all those clearances. 01:55:10.240 --> 01:55:12.797 >> And um we talk about Elon if you want, 01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:16.317 but interesting guy. But the uh the 01:55:16.400 --> 01:55:18.637 phenomenon is so old. We've been seeing 01:55:18.720 --> 01:55:20.797 the same objects for so long it rules 01:55:20.880 --> 01:55:24.077 out any kind of, you know, modern cold 01:55:24.160 --> 01:55:28.397 war technology. Now, have there been oops where people have seen our stuff? 01:55:28.480 --> 01:55:32.317 Yes. I won't get into that because that is a national security thing and I'm, 01:55:32.400 --> 01:55:33.757 you know, that's I'm very differential 01:55:33.840 --> 01:55:37.037 to that. But, uh, there's clearly a 01:55:37.120 --> 01:55:39.597 genuine presence. The phenomenon's old. 01:55:39.680 --> 01:55:43.197 Um, if you listen to the 1952 01:55:43.280 --> 01:55:44.877 uh recording that Representative Burlson 01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:47.757 got declassified from MIT Lincoln Labs, 01:55:47.840 --> 01:55:50.477 you'll hear uh Edward Rubelt who 01:55:50.560 --> 01:55:54.957 eventually defected from Blue Book because he realized it was a cover up um 01:55:55.040 --> 01:55:57.357 in in the 50s, but he talked he was 01:55:57.440 --> 01:56:02.077 talking to the Beacon Hill study team at Lincoln Labs saying, "Hey, the the Air 01:56:02.160 --> 01:56:04.317 Force has ruled out mass hysteria. We're 01:56:04.400 --> 01:56:06.797 seeing during, you know, nuclear 01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:09.357 sites tests. Oh, by the way, in the 01:56:09.440 --> 01:56:11.757 White Sands Hollowman Air Force Base 01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:16.477 area, we we caught multiple objects traveling an estimated 3,500 miles an 01:56:16.560 --> 01:56:18.477 hour. We can't rule out maybe some sort 01:56:18.560 --> 01:56:23.757 of meteor shower, but we're seeing a lot of weird moving at velocities that 01:56:23.840 --> 01:56:27.357 we don't know. And in the recording, it talks about like we've rolled out, you 01:56:27.440 --> 01:56:29.437 know, foreign programs, etc. This is an 01:56:29.520 --> 01:56:32.237 internal recorded briefing between 01:56:32.320 --> 01:56:35.037 Lincoln Lab scientists and the Air Force 01:56:35.120 --> 01:56:36.957 that just got released in the recent 01:56:37.040 --> 01:56:40.557 trunch. And so that rules out a lot of 01:56:40.640 --> 01:56:44.957 um uh human activity. And so the the thought experiment or the the kind of 01:56:45.040 --> 01:56:48.957 the path I lead people it's like okay are UAP real? Well of course people have 01:56:49.040 --> 01:56:53.037 seen it will be you know more inclined to saying yes. But if you look at the 01:56:53.120 --> 01:56:57.757 the whole tapestry of information to include orbs that are accosting the 01:56:57.840 --> 01:57:01.917 federal government as we speak and there's a whole task force looking at it 01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:03.677 right now between OD and I and 01:57:03.760 --> 01:57:07.117 Department of War etc. And um okay, so 01:57:07.200 --> 01:57:09.677 it's real. They're interacting with man. 01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:13.677 So you don't think the federal government at one point tried to acquire 01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:16.637 some empirical evidence? Of course they did. 01:57:16.720 --> 01:57:18.637 >> Of course they did. >> They were they recovered 01:57:18.720 --> 01:57:22.637 >> But it is. Yeah. So it's like once you cross that Rubicon, you're like, well 01:57:22.720 --> 01:57:25.277 that makes sense why crash retrievals could be a thing. You think the 01:57:25.360 --> 01:57:27.277 government just passively studied it? 01:57:27.360 --> 01:57:31.037 Oh, we did a secret blue book and we were just like, you know, imaging stuff. 01:57:31.120 --> 01:57:35.437 No, no, baby. we're doing for material exploitation and acquisition. We're 01:57:35.520 --> 01:57:38.797 going to go get some of this when we get a chance when you know there's a 01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:41.037 mission failure or one crashes or lands 01:57:41.120 --> 01:57:46.077 for whatever other reason. So, uh that's once you accept that it's like a whole 01:57:46.160 --> 01:57:49.197 new paradigm in your mind like holy And then all this crazy stuff 01:57:49.280 --> 01:57:50.797 we're talking about with Nordics and the 01:57:50.880 --> 01:57:54.637 beings, it's it is wild but it's true. 01:57:54.720 --> 01:57:58.957 Like of course if you're recovering an artifact, you're going to get biological 01:57:59.040 --> 01:58:01.037 too. And and that's that's I think 01:58:01.120 --> 01:58:03.037 the the place where the the public's 01:58:03.120 --> 01:58:06.157 like has a harder uh cognitive leap 01:58:06.240 --> 01:58:10.317 where it's just so hard to conceptualize something you don't see daytoday that's 01:58:10.400 --> 01:58:13.117 a a living thing. It's like even more 01:58:13.200 --> 01:58:18.077 wild than finding some new uh animal in the Congo or some deep sea creature in 01:58:18.160 --> 01:58:21.677 the bottom of the ocean. Like we don't even know what's you know 70% of the 01:58:21.760 --> 01:58:24.557 ocean or something like that hasn't even been mapped. Something like that. I 01:58:24.640 --> 01:58:26.557 don't know the exact might be more than 01:58:26.640 --> 01:58:31.997 that. And you know it it's just shocking 01:58:32.080 --> 01:58:35.597 because it's just it's it's but it's familiar at the same time. You know a 01:58:35.680 --> 01:58:39.677 lot of it's bipedal and as the bilateral symmetry and it's just like what does 01:58:39.760 --> 01:58:42.477 this mean? Like it they're so similar. 01:58:42.560 --> 01:58:45.517 Are they organic life from another planet? Like how would it evolve in such 01:58:45.600 --> 01:58:50.317 a similar way? Are these like vonomy probes that are sent with occupants that 01:58:50.400 --> 01:58:53.837 are bio-engineered because they know on this M-class planet there's these homo 01:58:53.920 --> 01:58:57.037 sapiens sapient creatures. they look like this, this, and that, and they 01:58:57.120 --> 01:59:02.077 tweak a couple things, etc. So, it's I don't know all the answers to that, and 01:59:02.160 --> 01:59:04.877 I wish I did because I'm sure the public, you know, has a, you know, a big 01:59:04.960 --> 01:59:08.797 desire to know that, but I think eventually, uh, through the president's 01:59:08.880 --> 01:59:11.277 courageous actions, it'll it'll come out. And 01:59:11.360 --> 01:59:13.837 >> so, the intent of Project Blue Book was 01:59:13.920 --> 01:59:16.397 clearly to obfuscate. And 01:59:16.480 --> 01:59:18.637 >> yes, and you don't have to take my word 01:59:18.720 --> 01:59:21.117 for it. I talk about a formally 01:59:21.200 --> 01:59:23.517 classified Australian Joint Intelligence 01:59:23.600 --> 01:59:25.677 Organization document that was 01:59:25.760 --> 01:59:28.957 classified secret in 1971 written by a 01:59:29.040 --> 01:59:33.277 gentleman called Harry Turner who is the nuclear branch chief for the GIO which 01:59:33.360 --> 01:59:35.437 is the Australian equivalent of the 01:59:35.520 --> 01:59:39.837 Defense Intelligence Agency DIA and it's 01:59:39.920 --> 01:59:43.517 like page eight or 7 through 18 of the document which is in the Australian 01:59:43.600 --> 01:59:47.357 National Archives. The Providence is impeccable. Uh Harry Turner had a 01:59:47.440 --> 01:59:51.517 top-seeker clearance clearly and had contacts at CIA and America. And if you 01:59:51.600 --> 01:59:55.117 read a summary, it's like, yeah, Blue Book was a facade. The Air Force was 01:59:55.200 --> 01:59:58.317 really concerned about this. They wanted to figure out what was going 01:59:58.400 --> 02:00:00.957 on. Could they make use of whatever this 02:00:01.040 --> 02:00:05.277 technology is? and they created this um 02:00:05.360 --> 02:00:07.357 uh plan of ridicule and and 02:00:07.440 --> 02:00:09.677 disinformation unfortunately 02:00:09.760 --> 02:00:12.717 after the Robertson panel in 1953 to 02:00:12.800 --> 02:00:16.717 dissuade the public from looking in on it because the America was afraid of 02:00:16.800 --> 02:00:20.397 that being used as a false flag by the Soviets and there was other kind of 02:00:20.480 --> 02:00:24.477 national security objectives and that's publicly accessible. you can read it and 02:00:24.560 --> 02:00:26.077 that was from the Australian 02:00:26.160 --> 02:00:28.397 government's perspective what the cover 02:00:28.480 --> 02:00:32.077 up was in 1971 looking back from late 02:00:32.160 --> 02:00:36.717 40s to present at the time and that's essentially the the the thesis of of 02:00:36.800 --> 02:00:40.637 Harry Turner. So of course this is outside looking in but he was very well 02:00:40.720 --> 02:00:43.517 informed and he um he traveled to the US 02:00:43.600 --> 02:00:48.157 and talked to the CIA a lot and so he he stitched together the the the puzzle in 02:00:48.240 --> 02:00:50.877 his mind of what he thought was going on. Well, it's also the statements of 02:00:50.960 --> 02:00:53.197 Jay. Allen Heinik, who left Project Blue 02:00:53.280 --> 02:00:55.997 Book and talked openly about his role 02:00:56.080 --> 02:00:59.437 during Project Blue Book, was to dismiss 02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:02.957 any and all sightings as being either 02:01:03.040 --> 02:01:05.197 some sort of a natural occurrence like 02:01:05.280 --> 02:01:08.077 ball lightning or meteor showers or 02:01:08.160 --> 02:01:11.597 planet Venus or, you know, just a 02:01:11.680 --> 02:01:16.077 misunderstanding and >> that he believed after all of his years 02:01:16.160 --> 02:01:19.357 in Project Blue Book that there was a real phenomenon. Exactly. 02:01:19.440 --> 02:01:23.757 >> And then after he left Project Blue Book, he became a UFO researcher. 02:01:23.840 --> 02:01:27.677 >> Yeah. A lot of was Donald Kho. There's a lot of, you know, James McDonald, Dr. 02:01:27.760 --> 02:01:32.077 James McDonald, and a lot of those OGs in this subject area that I only 02:01:32.160 --> 02:01:34.877 recently learned about because I haven't been following this until, you know, 02:01:34.960 --> 02:01:38.237 relatively recently realized it was real. And 02:01:38.320 --> 02:01:40.077 >> what do you know about the Richard Nixon 02:01:40.160 --> 02:01:43.197 Jackie Gleason story? I don't know if 02:01:43.280 --> 02:01:46.477 that happened, but based on Nixon's 02:01:46.560 --> 02:01:48.557 personality and he he he was 02:01:48.640 --> 02:01:53.677 knowledgeable on this topic, that might have happened. I don't know, but I could 02:01:53.760 --> 02:01:57.597 see Nixon doing that. So, >> well, it's a it's a fun one. And it's 02:01:57.680 --> 02:02:01.997 really particularly fun because Jackie Gleason built a UFO house after I did 02:02:02.080 --> 02:02:04.797 not know that. >> You didn't know that one? Let me show you the house. 02:02:04.880 --> 02:02:07.917 >> The house is crazy. It was for sale for a while. We thought about buying it, 02:02:08.000 --> 02:02:11.437 >> but >> where is it? >> It's in upstate New York, I Oh, interesting. 02:02:11.520 --> 02:02:17.037 >> Um, it is a very weird house. He built a house that looks like a flying saucer. 02:02:17.120 --> 02:02:19.037 >> Interesting. >> In the woods. And apparently, according 02:02:19.120 --> 02:02:22.637 to his ex-wife, he was obsessed with flying saucers. That's the inside. But 02:02:22.720 --> 02:02:27.437 show the outside. Yeah. No. No. The one down there. Yeah. Jackie of all people, 02:02:27.520 --> 02:02:30.237 too. >> They're separate buildings that he had on the property. But it was like 02:02:30.320 --> 02:02:32.957 basically like a UFO themed property. 02:02:33.040 --> 02:02:34.797 Like, what the hell's that, Jackie? 02:02:34.880 --> 02:02:37.597 >> Interesting. >> The are you making? 02:02:37.680 --> 02:02:40.957 >> His whole house looked like UFOs. It's very strange. 02:02:41.040 --> 02:02:42.797 >> Well, and with Nixon, there's the whole 02:02:42.880 --> 02:02:45.917 story uh with Robert Enegger and the 02:02:46.000 --> 02:02:50.477 promise of footage and and all that. And from what I understand, the MacArthur 02:02:50.560 --> 02:02:54.237 Foundation was kind of the the cutout for that between the the White House and 02:02:54.320 --> 02:02:57.357 the filmmakers. And obviously, it didn't work out, but 02:02:57.440 --> 02:03:01.197 >> So, they were thinking about disclosure as far back as the Nixon administration. 02:03:01.280 --> 02:03:04.797 >> Yes. And I know of an assessment that was done for Nixon basically saying it's 02:03:04.880 --> 02:03:06.637 going to cause absolute chaos. 02:03:06.720 --> 02:03:10.077 And it's interesting that assessment 02:03:10.160 --> 02:03:11.837 right after that assessment Watergate 02:03:11.920 --> 02:03:15.197 happened which is kind of very 02:03:15.280 --> 02:03:19.117 convenient. And so I I have some questions about that era as well because 02:03:19.200 --> 02:03:23.277 it seemed like there was some movement with Nixon. I don't know the rationale 02:03:23.360 --> 02:03:27.757 or why Nixon wanted to do it, but it seemed like there was um some energy. 02:03:27.840 --> 02:03:31.357 And that's what sucks is like so Trump's finally the first president to like 02:03:31.440 --> 02:03:36.077 overtly say I want all this out and like other presidents have failed and he 02:03:36.160 --> 02:03:37.517 he really has an opportunity. I mean 02:03:37.600 --> 02:03:40.557 it's the same thing I go uh back to 02:03:40.640 --> 02:03:43.357 the uh the Hillary Clinton thing, right? 02:03:43.440 --> 02:03:46.077 So in prior to the 2016 election, 02:03:46.160 --> 02:03:47.837 Hillary talked publicly and this is 02:03:47.920 --> 02:03:50.477 public record that if elected she would 02:03:50.560 --> 02:03:53.357 release the UFO files. So what happened 02:03:53.440 --> 02:03:57.677 was you know John Podesta green lit a uh 02:03:57.760 --> 02:03:59.757 called a climatization activity a 02:03:59.840 --> 02:04:02.637 popularization activity and you know 02:04:02.720 --> 02:04:06.877 that's why Tom Dong got his advisors that's why General McCasslin talked to 02:04:06.960 --> 02:04:09.997 him it wasn't because General McCaslin Robert Weiss at Lockheed other people 02:04:10.080 --> 02:04:13.757 that's all in Wikileaks um just wanted to talk to Tom because he 02:04:13.840 --> 02:04:17.277 was a rock star and you know was infatuated by his celebrity and wanted 02:04:17.360 --> 02:04:19.997 to help on a sci-fi movie it was because 02:04:20.080 --> 02:04:23.197 they were given top cover to see Tom as 02:04:23.280 --> 02:04:24.957 a public figure who had the touch of the 02:04:25.040 --> 02:04:28.317 youth um rightly or wrongly. I mean I 02:04:28.400 --> 02:04:30.957 once again there was an attempt and I'm 02:04:31.040 --> 02:04:34.077 not going to judge them bad or good but 02:04:34.160 --> 02:04:35.517 they were trying to prep the battle 02:04:35.600 --> 02:04:38.717 space uh prior to 2016. 02:04:38.800 --> 02:04:41.197 Obviously Hillary didn't win. Uh Trump 02:04:41.280 --> 02:04:44.397 won and clearly that activity pivoted 02:04:44.480 --> 02:04:47.677 and you saw kind of the collapse of uh 02:04:47.760 --> 02:04:49.997 the original TTSA efforts in my opinion. 02:04:50.080 --> 02:04:53.757 That's what I believe happened. Now, the characters that were involved in that 02:04:53.840 --> 02:04:58.157 are happy to tell their side of the story or more information, but from what 02:04:58.240 --> 02:05:02.077 I understand, they were trying to get, you know, Hillary. There was an inside 02:05:02.160 --> 02:05:03.997 job to prep the battle space for 02:05:04.080 --> 02:05:07.277 Hillary. Um, uh, Jim Clapper and some 02:05:07.360 --> 02:05:09.277 other people that I know personally were 02:05:09.360 --> 02:05:13.837 providing some top cover and, uh, and 02:05:13.920 --> 02:05:18.637 that was going to be the thing. So, the Clintons were trying to do it back in 02:05:18.720 --> 02:05:22.797 the day. Don't you think that that's also just a political ploy to get people 02:05:22.880 --> 02:05:25.757 to want to vote for you? >> Oh. Oh, certainly there's politics in 02:05:25.840 --> 02:05:29.437 that and obviously even in this current situation, you know, the president can 02:05:29.520 --> 02:05:33.517 use this for political ends, ways and means, whether making some threshold 02:05:33.600 --> 02:05:38.237 announcement for the upcoming midterms or by, you know, the 2028 election 02:05:38.320 --> 02:05:42.157 cycle. I mean, it could be used in in political ways, too. So, but it is a 02:05:42.240 --> 02:05:43.677 real topic and the government has real 02:05:43.760 --> 02:05:46.237 information on it, though. So, 02:05:46.320 --> 02:05:49.917 >> okay. So, so we've covered the grays, 02:05:50.000 --> 02:05:54.237 the tall grays, the little grays, the reptilians, various forms, the Nordic 02:05:54.320 --> 02:05:56.157 looking, Greek god looking ones. 02:05:56.240 --> 02:05:59.597 >> Yeah. And there's like a >> Isn't there like a mantis or two? 02:05:59.680 --> 02:06:01.677 >> Uh, in terms of the humanoid ones, 02:06:01.760 --> 02:06:04.877 there's like different kind of from very 02:06:04.960 --> 02:06:07.597 human to clear clearly not human, but 02:06:07.680 --> 02:06:10.237 humanoidish. But like you said, I have 02:06:10.320 --> 02:06:13.677 heard I'll call it water cooler talk 02:06:13.760 --> 02:06:16.077 within those channels of like you said 02:06:16.160 --> 02:06:18.477 some sort of insectoid. But I don't know 02:06:18.560 --> 02:06:21.277 anything about it if that exists. I I've 02:06:21.360 --> 02:06:25.917 heard you know like I said water cooler talk about it. Um I'm open to that idea 02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:29.677 clearly because of all this other stuff but I don't have any knowledge of that. 02:06:29.760 --> 02:06:31.437 um any high confidence 02:06:31.520 --> 02:06:34.957 >> any detailed uh description of the 02:06:35.040 --> 02:06:38.557 number of different types of entities and beings. 02:06:38.640 --> 02:06:42.877 >> I mean the program has that I mean I never I never I never have full access. 02:06:42.960 --> 02:06:45.677 No. >> Did anybody ever discuss it like how 02:06:45.760 --> 02:06:49.517 many they think they are? Is it upwards of 10? Was it more? Is it 20? 02:06:49.600 --> 02:06:53.837 >> No specific numericals. I only remember in passing having those discussions and 02:06:53.920 --> 02:06:57.357 of course I was sitting in Senate chambers when that crazy meeting 02:06:57.440 --> 02:07:01.997 happened where I found out you know they wanted to physically hurt me but um some 02:07:02.080 --> 02:07:05.917 of those were brought up in passing but there wasn't like a uh here's the exact 02:07:06.000 --> 02:07:10.077 number and here's the whole you know organizational chart I never got 02:07:10.160 --> 02:07:13.597 exposure like that so I unfortunately don't have that level of confidence on 02:07:13.680 --> 02:07:17.197 how everything is. So >> do you know what supposedly happened to 02:07:17.280 --> 02:07:20.237 those living reptilians from the crash? 02:07:20.320 --> 02:07:22.957 Uh uh deceased. They were killed. 02:07:23.040 --> 02:07:25.517 >> They were killed. Yeah. So we killed them. 02:07:25.600 --> 02:07:29.837 >> Yeah. >> Whoa. >> They are mortal. So it's >> So how'd we kill them? 02:07:29.920 --> 02:07:31.197 >> Yeah. >> Did we shoot them? 02:07:31.280 --> 02:07:33.277 >> Yeah. >> We shot the reptilians. 02:07:33.360 --> 02:07:37.117 >> Yeah. >> Jesus. >> Yeah. >> That seems like a bad idea. 02:07:37.200 --> 02:07:40.237 >> Yeah. I That's >> Maybe we should like tell them to call 02:07:40.320 --> 02:07:42.317 your friends and come get picked up. 02:07:42.400 --> 02:07:45.597 >> Well, it's the same thing as like if we force these craft down. Is that the best 02:07:45.680 --> 02:07:47.997 thing we should be doing? >> If we force it down. But it sounds like 02:07:48.080 --> 02:07:49.357 they were in a war with the Grays. 02:07:49.440 --> 02:07:53.437 >> Yeah. which is also, by the way, I realize kooky talk, 02:07:53.520 --> 02:07:59.357 >> but >> it sounds crazy, but I swear to God, I was in the most >> sensitive 02:07:59.440 --> 02:08:01.757 >> Oh, I believe you. >> places in government where that 02:08:01.840 --> 02:08:06.397 discussion was happening with >> Listen, if it was if it was real, 02:08:06.480 --> 02:08:08.157 there's no way it doesn't sound kooky. 02:08:08.240 --> 02:08:11.357 Even if it's real. >> I know. I know. And it even though I've 02:08:11.440 --> 02:08:15.757 I know what I know. I'm confident what I know, but just understanding this like 02:08:15.840 --> 02:08:21.357 new um normal that is eventually going to come out, it's just it still hurts my 02:08:21.440 --> 02:08:23.037 head, honestly. >> How could it not? 02:08:23.120 --> 02:08:27.837 >> So, >> um why did they do you know why they killed the reptilians? 02:08:27.920 --> 02:08:31.117 >> Um >> instead of just telling them to call their homies, >> it posed a threat. 02:08:31.200 --> 02:08:33.197 >> They posed a threat. >> Yeah. 02:08:33.280 --> 02:08:35.357 >> Oh, so it was defending itself. 02:08:35.440 --> 02:08:37.197 >> Yeah. >> Was a giant reptile. 02:08:37.280 --> 02:08:41.917 >> Yeah. So, at some point that story will come out. I'm sure the people who were 02:08:42.000 --> 02:08:44.557 in some of those events will probably speak publicly at some point. 02:08:44.640 --> 02:08:48.077 >> So, it posed a threat like it tried to attack the soldiers. 02:08:48.160 --> 02:08:51.757 >> Yeah, it's I'll let the people who were there tell their story. 02:08:51.840 --> 02:08:53.117 >> Can you tell like a little bit of it? 02:08:53.200 --> 02:08:55.517 >> So, I mean it just posed a threat and uh 02:08:55.600 --> 02:09:00.397 you know uh US personnel started you know getting 02:09:00.480 --> 02:09:04.397 hurt and dying and so >> so US personnel was killed by these 02:09:04.480 --> 02:09:07.837 reptilians. Yeah, I know. It's crazy, man. But 02:09:07.920 --> 02:09:10.157 >> what? Like, how many people were killed? 02:09:10.240 --> 02:09:13.197 >> I don't know the exact numbers. And once again, I >> So, it was like a fight. 02:09:13.280 --> 02:09:14.717 >> Yeah. I hope >> the fight broke out. 02:09:14.800 --> 02:09:17.677 >> Yeah. And I hope through this process some of those people are allowed to 02:09:17.760 --> 02:09:20.797 speak publicly about it. So, you could just hear it from the horse's mouth, not 02:09:20.880 --> 02:09:24.637 through me secondhand. You know, >> bro, boy, would I would like to talk to 02:09:24.720 --> 02:09:28.717 someone who shot a reptile. >> You never know. You may 02:09:28.800 --> 02:09:32.957 >> imagine talking to some guy who shot a seven foot reptilian. I mean, you think 02:09:33.040 --> 02:09:36.237 you want to talk to the guy who killed Bin Laden. That's interesting. Talk to 02:09:36.320 --> 02:09:39.837 the guy who killed the seven foot reptilian that tried to kill people 02:09:39.920 --> 02:09:43.357 or was killing soldiers. >> I know. 02:09:43.440 --> 02:09:45.677 >> Sounds so goofy though. >> I know. 02:09:45.760 --> 02:09:48.397 >> While you're saying it, it sounds like this is and this is one of the reasons 02:09:48.480 --> 02:09:51.197 why people don't like to talk about it because it makes you look like a fool. 02:09:51.280 --> 02:09:55.197 >> And think about me, like I was a very serious intel officer. I had access to 02:09:55.280 --> 02:09:58.157 the most sensitive stuff like covert I was working on covert action activities 02:09:58.240 --> 02:09:59.837 all this and then all of a sudden I'm 02:09:59.920 --> 02:10:02.557 inundated with this ecosystem and I'm 02:10:02.640 --> 02:10:05.277 having to explain this you know to you 02:10:05.360 --> 02:10:07.517 know members of Congress you know my 02:10:07.600 --> 02:10:12.317 classified testimony and it's just like I sound like a crazy person and 02:10:12.400 --> 02:10:15.597 but >> but once again it's true and I know who 02:10:15.680 --> 02:10:18.717 I talked to I know what I saw and and I 02:10:18.800 --> 02:10:21.437 you know I clearly have some inkling of 02:10:21.520 --> 02:10:25.757 what's going on behind the scenes and and and this is a real reality, man. And 02:10:25.840 --> 02:10:29.277 it's it's and I hope people look back at this 02:10:29.360 --> 02:10:32.397 interview and are like, "Yeah, Dave was really putting his ass on the 02:10:32.480 --> 02:10:34.477 line." You know, >> it sounds strange, but it's not nearly 02:10:34.560 --> 02:10:36.637 as strange as the universe itself. 02:10:36.720 --> 02:10:38.557 >> The universe itself is beyond strange. 02:10:38.640 --> 02:10:42.477 The the the infinite nature of it, the fact that there's stellar nurseries and 02:10:42.560 --> 02:10:45.437 black holes, like that's >> like what's dark matter? Nobody really 02:10:45.520 --> 02:10:49.597 there's no consensus on. There's wimps and all this other theories. 02:10:49.680 --> 02:10:51.757 >> Yeah. The whole idea of the universe is 02:10:51.840 --> 02:10:54.397 kooky as And so these 02:10:54.480 --> 02:10:59.357 beings, this is a very minor level of kooky in comparison to what we know. 02:10:59.440 --> 02:11:03.117 >> Well, when you think about it, you look at all the um credible military 02:11:03.200 --> 02:11:04.877 witnesses that have had encounters at 02:11:04.960 --> 02:11:06.957 nuclear sites. I mean, you even look at 02:11:07.040 --> 02:11:10.797 the Mario Woods and Michael Johnson case 02:11:10.880 --> 02:11:15.037 up at Ellsworth Air Force Base in the 70s, the Jesse Michaels just did an episode, 02:11:15.120 --> 02:11:18.397 >> and it's like, >> think about those military personnel. 02:11:18.480 --> 02:11:23.117 like you saw the emotion in their face talking about like I can't believe I'm 02:11:23.200 --> 02:11:27.597 talking about a gray pushing some sort of probe in me and it's like they're 02:11:27.680 --> 02:11:31.277 even more uncomfortable than myself because they are claiming that they 02:11:31.360 --> 02:11:35.037 experienced that and you look at Robert Hastings book book UFOs and nukes and 02:11:35.120 --> 02:11:39.757 all the different encounters military personnel have had sober trained 02:11:39.840 --> 02:11:41.997 observers that are not drunk on duty 02:11:42.080 --> 02:11:46.797 they're not high and um and I've had 02:11:46.880 --> 02:11:50.717 unbelievable highle serious people in and out of 02:11:50.800 --> 02:11:53.917 government privately pull me aside and tell me about their personal experiences 02:11:54.000 --> 02:11:57.037 and like they you're the only person I can tell you. I don't even tell my wife 02:11:57.120 --> 02:11:59.997 because I had this thing and this happened this happened. I I thought I 02:12:00.080 --> 02:12:01.757 was losing my mind but this really 02:12:01.840 --> 02:12:04.637 happened and it was and it's it's I 02:12:04.720 --> 02:12:09.197 think a lot a bigger part of the populace I think has had experiences 02:12:09.280 --> 02:12:12.717 than statistics would tell you just because of the stigmatization of the 02:12:12.800 --> 02:12:16.157 topic you know. Well, yeah. I mean, I don't know very many people that have 02:12:16.240 --> 02:12:19.437 had encounters, but all of them were very reluctant to talk about it. 02:12:19.520 --> 02:12:22.797 >> Oh, yes. And >> especially people with like credible jobs. 02:12:22.880 --> 02:12:25.197 >> Yeah. And it's the same thing like there's a lot of people behind the 02:12:25.280 --> 02:12:28.557 scenes that are very credible supporting me, talking to people behind the scenes 02:12:28.640 --> 02:12:33.757 to bolster my efforts. And they're like, I could never, you know, be public like 02:12:33.840 --> 02:12:36.717 you. And so I'm like, trust me, I don't want to do this either. like I I'd like 02:12:36.800 --> 02:12:40.957 to, you know, go back to work in the executive branch, put my uniform back on 02:12:41.040 --> 02:12:45.837 and uh go kill terrorists. I used to hunt warlords. Like I did a lot of crazy 02:12:45.920 --> 02:12:50.157 I used to do hostage rescue, do the Overwatch for that with certain JOC 02:12:50.240 --> 02:12:54.237 elements and I've had a I've done a lot of serious crazy in my career. 02:12:54.320 --> 02:12:57.437 Unfortunately, a lot of it was traumatizing and, you know, got PTSD 02:12:57.520 --> 02:13:00.877 from it. But um yeah, it's just a lot of 02:13:00.960 --> 02:13:05.037 people still even at where we are right now in the movie, so to speak, where 02:13:05.120 --> 02:13:09.437 we're on the threshold of possibly President Trump succeeding and his team 02:13:09.520 --> 02:13:13.277 getting this information out there. If they can, you know, uh broker a way 02:13:13.360 --> 02:13:14.877 ahead with the elements, I'll call it 02:13:14.960 --> 02:13:17.037 the deep state that are that are holding 02:13:17.120 --> 02:13:20.717 on. And and it seems crazy like, well, 02:13:20.800 --> 02:13:24.557 but couldn't the White House just, you know, break down the door? Like what why 02:13:24.640 --> 02:13:28.317 is there push back all that? Well, you think about like MK Ultra and how 02:13:28.400 --> 02:13:30.157 Richard Helms told Sydney Gotautle to 02:13:30.240 --> 02:13:32.077 destroy the records and the only reason 02:13:32.160 --> 02:13:35.597 why we know of MK Ultra is uh Seymour 02:13:35.680 --> 02:13:37.917 Hirs, right? The New York Times story, 02:13:38.000 --> 02:13:43.197 there was a leak to the Times. Then uh Frank Church and other people got uh 02:13:43.280 --> 02:13:44.877 information from whistleblowers and then 02:13:44.960 --> 02:13:46.877 they found the financial records that 02:13:46.960 --> 02:13:50.717 weren't destroyed um in 1973 through 75 02:13:50.800 --> 02:13:55.197 and and also what they call the what's it called family jewels crown jewels 02:13:55.280 --> 02:13:56.717 where 02:13:56.800 --> 02:14:00.157 uh CI director Slesinger wrote down like 02:14:00.240 --> 02:14:03.837 all the bad stuff the CIA was doing that like you know we want to make sure this 02:14:03.920 --> 02:14:07.837 stuff doesn't come out and then there was like a 1964ish 02:14:07.920 --> 02:14:11.677 CIA inspector general report that was classified and clearly wasn't given to 02:14:11.760 --> 02:14:15.757 Congress and that's the only way reason we know about MK Ultra. It was 02:14:15.840 --> 02:14:20.397 reluctantly there was an oopsies, you know, and and part of this went public 02:14:20.480 --> 02:14:23.357 and and so I guess there's some historical parallels to to my journey 02:14:23.440 --> 02:14:27.917 and and and stuff on this issue, but and and once again MK Ultra like they had a 02:14:28.000 --> 02:14:32.317 drag CIA to they found all this other bad stuff, the heart attack gun, 02:14:32.400 --> 02:14:35.197 >> all the stuff in the church committee hearings and you know the 02:14:35.280 --> 02:14:39.117 >> operation midnight climax. Then there was um what's a funny name? 02:14:39.200 --> 02:14:40.077 I'm going to laugh about that one. 02:14:40.160 --> 02:14:44.397 >> That's the brothel. >> Was it? Oh, well people acid. 02:14:44.480 --> 02:14:48.557 >> Well, and then um you just saw there was a story coming out where they like 02:14:48.640 --> 02:14:53.277 sprayed the city of San Francisco in 1976. I was just out in SF Gate 02:14:53.360 --> 02:14:55.197 >> couple days. See how they could spread disease. 02:14:55.280 --> 02:14:58.397 >> Yeah. And then and then you had a mockingb bird where they had people on 02:14:58.480 --> 02:15:01.197 the payroll >> and and it's like okay that's kind of 02:15:01.280 --> 02:15:03.277 ethically dubious because it's domestic 02:15:03.360 --> 02:15:05.917 but influence foreign powers. Okay. the 02:15:06.000 --> 02:15:08.397 Smith Munt Act, a 1948 violation, sort 02:15:08.480 --> 02:15:12.957 of, you know, on and on and on. So, >> but I think what people really have a 02:15:13.040 --> 02:15:18.077 hard time comprehending is that if this is real and if we have been visited, why 02:15:18.160 --> 02:15:19.677 doesn't everyone know about it already? 02:15:19.760 --> 02:15:21.437 Why haven't they made themselves known? 02:15:21.520 --> 02:15:26.397 Why don't we why? And then there's also this weird thing if anybody that's 02:15:26.480 --> 02:15:30.637 actually experienced it like if you have a novel experience if you are going 02:15:30.720 --> 02:15:35.117 through a you know you're going through a national park in Utah and there's no 02:15:35.200 --> 02:15:36.637 one out there and then all of a sudden 02:15:36.720 --> 02:15:40.237 some disc shows up hovers over you lands 02:15:40.320 --> 02:15:44.717 some strange creatures you know come out of it talk to you telepathically get 02:15:44.800 --> 02:15:45.997 back in the disc and take off. 02:15:46.080 --> 02:15:49.997 >> Then you have the whole missing 411 stuff out there too I had that guy on too. 02:15:50.080 --> 02:15:53.277 >> Clothes are folded. I don't know the answer to that and I think 02:15:53.360 --> 02:15:57.677 >> so why isn't this more pervasive? I would say it's reasonably pervasive, but 02:15:57.760 --> 02:16:00.957 we see these craft using cover, concealment, deception techniques such 02:16:01.040 --> 02:16:04.077 as signature management, right? Like think of the cling on bird of prey 02:16:04.160 --> 02:16:07.677 cloaking, right? We >> we have seen that and and so they're 02:16:07.760 --> 02:16:11.757 they're masking their signature, but like as Jacqu Valet will say, there's 02:16:11.840 --> 02:16:15.917 some sort of control system. It's like a show and display thing as a stimulus for 02:16:16.000 --> 02:16:20.157 a lot of this. And then also, oh, why don't they overtly interact? That gets 02:16:20.240 --> 02:16:22.637 into like the exopolitique of this. I 02:16:22.720 --> 02:16:24.797 certainly am not conversant in that yet. 02:16:24.880 --> 02:16:27.437 I hope to learn more as the public to 02:16:27.520 --> 02:16:31.917 learn more about the objectives why they're here why there hasn't been overt 02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:34.077 contact but clearly interactions with 02:16:34.160 --> 02:16:39.197 you know the secular nation state governments and well what's the 02:16:39.280 --> 02:16:40.477 arrangement I don't know the answer to 02:16:40.560 --> 02:16:44.557 that and and so there's or is it um like 02:16:44.640 --> 02:16:47.837 the prime directive in Star Trek right where the oh they're pre-warp 02:16:47.920 --> 02:16:52.317 civilization we observe we're interested here we're studying the planet but we're 02:16:52.400 --> 02:16:56.237 not going to overtly influence their development because that's unethical 02:16:56.320 --> 02:17:00.237 according to our uh standards of behavior and norms and rules of 02:17:00.320 --> 02:17:02.477 engagement, you know, like like it is in Star Trek for example. 02:17:02.560 --> 02:17:05.357 >> Well, also just to to avoid any sort of 02:17:05.440 --> 02:17:09.917 unbelievably catastrophic just upheaval 02:17:10.000 --> 02:17:15.277 of society, you would do it very slowly like it's being done like today. The way 02:17:15.360 --> 02:17:18.637 it's being discussed is very different than the way it was being discussed 02:17:18.720 --> 02:17:21.037 >> 20 years ago. Right. So 20 years ago is 02:17:21.120 --> 02:17:25.757 2016. We hadn't had or 10 years ago was 2016. We hadn't had the New York Times 02:17:25.840 --> 02:17:30.157 story yet. The New York Times story is 2017. That changed everything. I think 02:17:30.240 --> 02:17:34.397 20 10 years before that, >> you talked about this stuff. You were a 02:17:34.480 --> 02:17:37.917 idiot and a kook. >> This is a cottage industry. And I also 02:17:38.000 --> 02:17:41.277 going back to kind of the pattern of lifinglessness, so to speak. 02:17:41.360 --> 02:17:43.037 >> I think the nature of the interaction 02:17:43.120 --> 02:17:46.077 was more overt antiquity. So something 02:17:46.160 --> 02:17:50.957 changed at some point in human history where going back to Greek gods and you 02:17:51.040 --> 02:17:52.957 know the and a whatever ends up being 02:17:53.040 --> 02:17:54.637 true we'll find out I guess in this 02:17:54.720 --> 02:17:57.997 process that seems more overt they're 02:17:58.080 --> 02:18:02.317 like you know uh mass kind of interactions but then 02:18:02.400 --> 02:18:04.477 >> well I'm sure you've seen those ancient changed 02:18:04.560 --> 02:18:07.917 >> those ancient paintings that it looks like a guy sitting in a craft that has 02:18:08.000 --> 02:18:12.877 like fire behind it and he's flying through the sky >> like what the is that 02:18:12.960 --> 02:18:16.397 >> yeah I'm not full uh chariots of the gods or whatever that book but like I 02:18:16.480 --> 02:18:20.077 think there's probably a happy medium that ends up being accurate and but it 02:18:20.160 --> 02:18:23.677 looks at the nature of the interaction does that mean a different group of 02:18:23.760 --> 02:18:26.077 intelligences and how many of them and 02:18:26.160 --> 02:18:30.717 the group changed and went away and there's like this new generation I don't 02:18:30.800 --> 02:18:34.717 know the answer to that but it does seem if you pattern a life it um the nature 02:18:34.800 --> 02:18:38.397 of their show and display their concealment deception their their force 02:18:38.480 --> 02:18:40.237 presentation so to speak you know to use 02:18:40.320 --> 02:18:42.877 kind of military talk has changed and 02:18:42.960 --> 02:18:47.437 clearly um they're they're less uh 02:18:47.520 --> 02:18:50.077 likely to do anything major negative or 02:18:50.160 --> 02:18:51.997 positive All right. For whatever reason, 02:18:52.080 --> 02:18:55.277 >> is there a consensus as to their origin? 02:18:55.360 --> 02:18:59.597 Because I know that or or is it do they vary wildly? Like there's a like timber 02:18:59.680 --> 02:19:01.677 shed has talked about the ocean. 02:19:01.760 --> 02:19:05.837 >> There is. Yes. The we know a lot about that. And >> what do we know about that? 02:19:05.920 --> 02:19:07.757 >> Well, be careful because it gets into 02:19:07.840 --> 02:19:11.517 sensitive Navy underwater things. Um 02:19:11.600 --> 02:19:16.317 there's clearly some sort of base of operations in certain locations. Um it's 02:19:16.400 --> 02:19:20.397 large. Don't know when it got there. 02:19:20.480 --> 02:19:25.037 So it's large >> large like multiple city blocks type stuff. 02:19:25.120 --> 02:19:27.197 >> Yeah. >> So there's multiple city blocks 02:19:27.280 --> 02:19:29.117 somewhere in the bottom of the ocean. 02:19:29.200 --> 02:19:31.357 >> Yeah. And it's like >> Yeah. 02:19:31.440 --> 02:19:34.237 >> Do you know what about the Baltic Sea anomaly? 02:19:34.320 --> 02:19:37.757 >> Well, the Yeah. The Yeah, the there's 02:19:37.840 --> 02:19:39.037 there's some interesting stuff there. 02:19:39.120 --> 02:19:43.517 And um once again, I will allows the federal government to deal with that one 02:19:43.600 --> 02:19:46.157 in our allies and adversaries. So >> Okay. Yeah. 02:19:46.240 --> 02:19:48.797 >> Um but you did say that there's multiple 02:19:48.880 --> 02:19:51.197 city blocks under the ocean. 02:19:51.280 --> 02:19:54.397 >> Yeah. I will tell you underwater people 02:19:54.480 --> 02:19:58.637 I know um that come from that community, they're they always like, you know, the 02:19:58.720 --> 02:20:03.597 movie The Abyss, Dave, it's kind of a docu drama. And I'm like, "Holy fuck." 02:20:03.680 --> 02:20:04.797 You know, that movie, you know, with Ed 02:20:04.880 --> 02:20:07.997 Harris back in '89. And so that kind of 02:20:08.080 --> 02:20:11.037 gives you a sense in a pop sigh kind of 02:20:11.120 --> 02:20:13.917 way for people to visualize. There is 02:20:14.000 --> 02:20:17.037 large down there and it's like the 02:20:17.120 --> 02:20:19.597 origin is indeterminate. I'm sure we 02:20:19.680 --> 02:20:24.157 know a little bit more. I'm not privy to that. And and the way we know things and 02:20:24.240 --> 02:20:27.917 track that gets into sensitive national security stuff and um you know the 02:20:28.000 --> 02:20:30.477 government may have to reveal some of that through some sort of 02:20:30.560 --> 02:20:34.317 acknowledgement strategy. The way it's been described to you are these large 02:20:34.400 --> 02:20:38.077 city blocks or whatever the hell it is under the ocean. Is this a way point? Is 02:20:38.160 --> 02:20:41.117 this a stop off? Like a base for a base? 02:20:41.200 --> 02:20:42.877 >> Stuff comes and goes. >> Okay. 02:20:42.960 --> 02:20:46.237 >> Yeah. >> So, this is like where they observe and 02:20:46.320 --> 02:20:49.197 >> Yeah. I'm sure we've done an anal a 02:20:49.280 --> 02:20:51.677 behavioral analysis on it and we 02:20:51.760 --> 02:20:56.557 probably have figured out maybe the mission or whatever you want to call it. 02:20:56.640 --> 02:21:00.957 >> I don't know the answer to that. I I'm as curious as anybody honestly. So, 02:21:01.040 --> 02:21:03.917 >> um, one thing I wanted to talk to you about because it just recently started 02:21:04.000 --> 02:21:06.557 hitting the news, uh, or Twitter at 02:21:06.640 --> 02:21:08.397 least. Someone sent it to me. Um, this 02:21:08.480 --> 02:21:11.197 guy Matthew Brown saying that you, uh, 02:21:11.280 --> 02:21:16.157 tricked him in a scop into revealing that there's you turned him into a 02:21:16.240 --> 02:21:17.677 whistleblower. Do you know the story? 02:21:17.760 --> 02:21:22.157 >> I didn't even know Matt Brown until right before the 2024 hearing. I never 02:21:22.240 --> 02:21:25.917 met the guy while I was a, you know, >> I sent it to you, Jamie. I I had to 02:21:26.000 --> 02:21:27.357 bring it up to you because a bunch of people 02:21:27.440 --> 02:21:29.757 >> Yeah, there's like some Make sure you ask him about this. 02:21:29.840 --> 02:21:31.597 >> Oh, because I because I was at the 02:21:31.680 --> 02:21:34.557 Shrivever War game uh highle cell 02:21:34.640 --> 02:21:38.557 advisor that I I somehow made fake stuff 02:21:38.640 --> 02:21:41.517 and and and and the the briefing that 02:21:41.600 --> 02:21:44.717 that Matt says he saw, I've never seen. 02:21:44.800 --> 02:21:47.117 I can't evaluate the contents of that. 02:21:47.200 --> 02:21:51.997 And and I didn't make anything. Um I've never made a hazing brief on this topic. 02:21:52.080 --> 02:21:56.237 I made some fun briefs just to with some of my airmen back in the day. Um, 02:21:56.320 --> 02:21:58.877 some Star Trek related stuff and just for, you know, 02:21:58.960 --> 02:22:00.477 >> but you're aware of this, right? So, 02:22:00.560 --> 02:22:02.957 what is he what is he alleging? 02:22:03.040 --> 02:22:06.237 >> He alleges intent exposure. He was 02:22:06.320 --> 02:22:10.637 cleaning up the file system on a classified system in I think it was like 02:22:10.720 --> 02:22:12.797 2018 or something like that. And, you 02:22:12.880 --> 02:22:15.357 know, he found this briefing. Um, once 02:22:15.440 --> 02:22:17.757 again, I met Matt or talked to him for 02:22:17.840 --> 02:22:20.237 the first time in like 2024, well after 02:22:20.320 --> 02:22:22.477 I left uh the intelligence community. 02:22:22.560 --> 02:22:27.117 So, I didn't even know he existed. And um unfortunately, I've never seen a 02:22:27.200 --> 02:22:29.277 briefing like that, so I can't evaluate 02:22:29.360 --> 02:22:34.317 the the contents. So, um >> have you communicated with him after he 02:22:34.400 --> 02:22:37.837 said this? >> Oh, oh, oh, sure. Sure. Yeah. I mean, 02:22:37.920 --> 02:22:40.397 just to in support making sure he has resources. 02:22:40.480 --> 02:22:44.157 >> No, but I mean after he said that you soped him. Have you communicated with 02:22:44.240 --> 02:22:46.397 the assistant? >> Isn't that what it says? 02:22:46.480 --> 02:22:48.317 >> I think that might have been people saying that. 02:22:48.400 --> 02:22:50.717 >> Some other people saying in other words, 02:22:50.800 --> 02:22:53.117 >> that's news to me. Uh after 02:22:53.200 --> 02:22:57.757 >> so that what what it is is other people alleging that that's how it went down. 02:22:57.840 --> 02:22:59.677 >> Yeah. There's a lot of theories online 02:22:59.760 --> 02:23:02.557 about like myself and oh, I'm being 02:23:02.640 --> 02:23:05.917 handled. Dude, it's just me. It's sad. 02:23:06.000 --> 02:23:10.477 It's just me and like my bros and like there's higher up people like helping 02:23:10.560 --> 02:23:15.277 but unfortunately like nobody's telling me to do X Y and Z and 02:23:15.360 --> 02:23:18.797 >> obviously if the president wants me officially involved I'm happy but like 02:23:18.880 --> 02:23:21.277 you know it I'm just a dude you know 02:23:21.360 --> 02:23:23.837 >> doing what I need to do. So yeah. 02:23:23.920 --> 02:23:27.677 >> Um what other weirdness of it before we wrap this up? What other weirdness of it 02:23:27.760 --> 02:23:30.557 do you think people don't know about it? 02:23:30.640 --> 02:23:35.357 Hm. You know, I think there's something to 02:23:35.440 --> 02:23:37.197 synchronicities 02:23:37.280 --> 02:23:40.317 and I don't have an answer why that 02:23:40.400 --> 02:23:43.597 happens. It just see like weird 02:23:43.680 --> 02:23:46.557 things just like happen or work out and 02:23:46.640 --> 02:23:49.197 and this is about as woo as I get and I 02:23:49.280 --> 02:23:53.597 just look at my own personal journey. um you know I was in like the right place 02:23:53.680 --> 02:23:57.117 at the right time and so many instances in my career to learn certain things 02:23:57.200 --> 02:23:59.677 that would help me later and like you know 02:23:59.760 --> 02:24:04.237 >> met certain people at the right time and and of course you know there's like a 02:24:04.320 --> 02:24:07.757 analytical bias most humans have where they're ascribing meaning to certain 02:24:07.840 --> 02:24:09.197 interactions that are actually truly 02:24:09.280 --> 02:24:11.357 random statistically random right 02:24:11.440 --> 02:24:15.677 >> but I've talked to enough people that 02:24:15.760 --> 02:24:19.037 say the same thing and I just there's something going there's a there's like a 02:24:19.120 --> 02:24:23.357 hidden hand part of the phenomenon that I can't there's like a certain Jennaqua 02:24:23.440 --> 02:24:27.837 I can't like point my finger on that I think is really interesting too but 02:24:27.920 --> 02:24:32.077 that's about as woo as I get I don't know >> that is the nature of the fabric of the 02:24:32.160 --> 02:24:35.517 universe or do you think that this has something to do with extraterrestrial 02:24:35.600 --> 02:24:38.637 >> I think that's like almost like going back to remote viewing because you know 02:24:38.720 --> 02:24:42.557 the Stargate program grill flame all the different names it had like that was 02:24:42.640 --> 02:24:46.717 adjacent to the program why do you think we were doing the psychic spying program 02:24:46.800 --> 02:24:50.637 besides competing with the Soviets and Chinese on the same topic is because 02:24:50.720 --> 02:24:54.157 That's the key unlock to some of the technology potentially if you could 02:24:54.240 --> 02:24:57.597 figure out how to it's a it's what like they call it like BCI brain computer 02:24:57.680 --> 02:24:59.757 interface but like clearly there's some 02:24:59.840 --> 02:25:03.677 sort of organic to tech interface and 02:25:03.760 --> 02:25:07.517 and it's clearly consciousness based >> um not to digress on your 02:25:07.600 --> 02:25:12.397 >> no but this is what Lazar said as well that there was no instruments and that 02:25:12.480 --> 02:25:16.637 these things controlled this with their mind. It depends on the class of vehicle 02:25:16.720 --> 02:25:20.717 and like there's like really weird that we have no idea how it works to 02:25:20.800 --> 02:25:22.077 like oh that kind of looks familiar. 02:25:22.160 --> 02:25:24.077 >> What's the weirdest of the really weird 02:25:24.160 --> 02:25:26.077 >> Um I mean you just have like the eggs 02:25:26.160 --> 02:25:29.357 and stuff. They're like usually unmanned 02:25:29.440 --> 02:25:33.437 >> usually and it's like is this like a probe? It's just it's like a 02:25:33.520 --> 02:25:37.437 egg, you know, like and um I know Jake Barber has talked about publicly 02:25:37.520 --> 02:25:41.757 recovering them, you know, and uh >> you know, I heard I you know, heard 02:25:41.840 --> 02:25:45.117 about that elsewhere, people who were were dealing with that. It's just kind 02:25:45.200 --> 02:25:48.717 of weird. It's like this amorphous thing. It's like the movie like Arrival, 02:25:48.800 --> 02:25:51.757 right? You >> right. That that's a great movie. 02:25:51.840 --> 02:25:54.077 >> Is Yeah. Is the technology like embedded 02:25:54.160 --> 02:25:56.477 in the skin? Like what is going on here? 02:25:56.560 --> 02:25:58.237 There's like no no obvious control 02:25:58.320 --> 02:26:01.437 surfaces like what what's going on? So, 02:26:01.520 --> 02:26:04.557 >> right. Um, what what kind of timeline do 02:26:04.640 --> 02:26:08.477 you think we're looking at in terms of like really changing the world? 02:26:08.560 --> 02:26:13.437 >> I think the the basic affirmation, the threshold disclosure, you know, call it 02:26:13.520 --> 02:26:17.917 we're not alone, we have stuff kind of thing. It has to happen before Trump 02:26:18.000 --> 02:26:21.917 leaves because I don't trust another president to follow through on the 02:26:22.000 --> 02:26:25.357 president's directive because, you know, it's the the the 02:26:25.440 --> 02:26:28.237 >> the next administration can be like, "We're peeling that back, baby. We're 02:26:28.320 --> 02:26:30.077 not touching this again." And so, of course, 02:26:30.160 --> 02:26:31.757 >> I think he has to do it before he leaves 02:26:31.840 --> 02:26:34.637 office. And if I were um advising the 02:26:34.720 --> 02:26:37.997 president and if the team's listening, I 02:26:38.080 --> 02:26:41.997 would do it at least 6 months before the election just so there's some sort of 02:26:42.080 --> 02:26:44.957 recovery period and kind of uh and 02:26:45.040 --> 02:26:49.517 whatnot. But, uh I'm just a dude obviously. I want it as soon as possible 02:26:49.600 --> 02:26:51.437 like most Americans listening to this. 02:26:51.520 --> 02:26:55.517 >> How do you envision that something like that would take place? Would they have a 02:26:55.600 --> 02:26:58.877 broadcast? where they show video and explain. 02:26:58.960 --> 02:27:01.997 >> That was a plan at one point for a previous administration is they were 02:27:02.080 --> 02:27:04.077 going to have like a one of those like government 02:27:04.160 --> 02:27:07.037 >> this the Bush administration with the how put off days. 02:27:07.120 --> 02:27:10.477 >> No, this was uh HW. >> Oh 02:27:10.560 --> 02:27:13.517 >> yeah. And so I'm sure the video sucked. 02:27:13.600 --> 02:27:16.877 It was probably has some synth wave government, you know, film from like the 02:27:16.960 --> 02:27:20.397 1989 like, you know, and it was probably 02:27:20.480 --> 02:27:23.037 going to be horrible and dry, but there 02:27:23.120 --> 02:27:27.677 was going to be this like audiovisisual kind of a a companion to some sort of 02:27:27.760 --> 02:27:32.397 announcement. Now, I don't know all the the the specific details after that. Um, 02:27:32.480 --> 02:27:34.557 clearly there has to be a physical roll out for 02:27:34.640 --> 02:27:38.237 >> God, I hope that video exists. It's out there in the archive somewhere. We could 02:27:38.320 --> 02:27:41.277 watch it after disclosure. >> I know. We need to have like a throwback 02:27:41.360 --> 02:27:42.957 like what you know to see the old come. 02:27:43.040 --> 02:27:44.797 >> Well, if you think about like how long 02:27:44.880 --> 02:27:47.997 it's been that people have like slowly 02:27:48.080 --> 02:27:52.637 become more and more aware of this. It's it seems like a long time but our lives 02:27:52.720 --> 02:27:54.077 are very short. >> Yeah. 02:27:54.160 --> 02:27:56.637 >> And the the reality is if this thing 02:27:56.720 --> 02:28:00.477 this this phenomenon has coexisted with 02:28:00.560 --> 02:28:04.477 human beings and I guided us aided us in some way 02:28:04.560 --> 02:28:07.437 >> and that's why I don't think people should be too fearful. I mean obviously 02:28:07.520 --> 02:28:09.037 there's a yin and yang in the universe. 02:28:09.120 --> 02:28:13.837 There's malevolent, benevolent, but clearly there's some homeostasis going 02:28:13.920 --> 02:28:15.997 on right now. And there's been this 02:28:16.080 --> 02:28:21.117 called cohabitation, for the lack of a better way to describe it. And and and 02:28:21.200 --> 02:28:23.677 clearly nothing >> crazy has happened. So 02:28:23.760 --> 02:28:28.797 >> some of this is in conjunction with AI becoming sentient and that this was a 02:28:28.880 --> 02:28:31.277 part of the process. >> I 02:28:31.360 --> 02:28:35.837 don't know that to be a fact. However, I like I said earlier in the interview, I 02:28:35.920 --> 02:28:37.597 am fearful that AI is going to figure 02:28:37.680 --> 02:28:39.917 some of this out, whether it be 02:28:40.000 --> 02:28:45.437 >> tech technology stuff or um the fact that we're not alone just by looking at 02:28:45.520 --> 02:28:49.117 all the disparit databases and correlating data um especially if it 02:28:49.200 --> 02:28:51.037 gets connected to any sort of genetic 02:28:51.120 --> 02:28:53.197 record, medical records, sensing system. 02:28:53.280 --> 02:28:57.997 And I think that's a real um threat that 02:28:58.080 --> 02:29:01.517 if I were to advise the White House, they need to think about that like 02:29:01.600 --> 02:29:03.517 third-party unexpected disclosure 02:29:03.600 --> 02:29:08.637 pathway that super intell artificial super intelligence provides both from a 02:29:08.720 --> 02:29:12.637 technology risk perspective but also revealing some of this too and and once 02:29:12.720 --> 02:29:14.397 again 02:29:14.480 --> 02:29:17.357 uh you know that artificial siliconbased 02:29:17.440 --> 02:29:21.917 AI is like is that the infrastructure that we need to communicate to some of 02:29:22.000 --> 02:29:24.877 this organic intelligence too because it's able to learn and figure out 02:29:24.960 --> 02:29:29.837 modalities of communication. I don't know. So, >> it's pretty crazy. 02:29:29.920 --> 02:29:31.277 >> Okay. It's a lot to absorb, Dave. 02:29:31.360 --> 02:29:33.277 >> I know. >> Thank you very much for being here, man. 02:29:33.360 --> 02:29:36.717 I appreciate it. It's always great to talk to you and thank you for all your 02:29:36.800 --> 02:29:39.197 hard work and exposing all this stuff. 02:29:39.280 --> 02:29:42.157 >> I mean, I really wonder like if it wasn't for you doing all this, how much 02:29:42.240 --> 02:29:44.557 would we know? >> I don't know, man. I just I hope this is 02:29:44.640 --> 02:29:50.157 the last time I got to send it on on an interview. And uh it's been tough. 02:29:50.240 --> 02:29:53.837 Really tough. like it's been debilitating. I've gone through a lot, 02:29:53.920 --> 02:29:57.677 you know, it's been in danger and I've done a lot of stuff for this country 02:29:57.760 --> 02:30:02.717 over the years, but I'm honored to be that guy, I guess, and and and risk it 02:30:02.800 --> 02:30:06.157 all to, you know, unveil this truth because it really was a core secret of 02:30:06.240 --> 02:30:08.797 the United States. So, >> I certainly think it moves the needle. 02:30:08.880 --> 02:30:13.960 Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.