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>> All right, bro. David, what's up?

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>> Thanks for having me back on.
Yeah, >> my pleasure.

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>> Yeah. >> Well, you're
the one that's closest to

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the flame, so tell me what's going on.

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>> Oh, I know, right? So, uh, living a

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nightmare is what I tell my friends. So,
it's definitely um been a tough several

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years or so. And uh you know last time

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we were on uh just testified in front of

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Congress and uh the UAP Disclosure Act

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of 23 was you know possibly getting

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passed. It failed to get passed and then
I um based on you know things I know

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about the Biden administration, things I
heard from the White House, I decided to

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kind of lay low for a year. So 24 I

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didn't do too much. And then uh

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Representative Burlson had this crazy

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idea to to hire me as a professional

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staff member for Congress working for him.
Uh turns out I guess I was like the

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first guy that ever testified in front
of Congress as a whistleblower and then

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being subsequently hired by Congress.
Um I was the first guy to ever do that

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which is very interesting and very cool.

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And I I do thank Burlson for um you know

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his leadership on that. And so I did

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that for about a year and a half.
um just finished up actually. I was like,

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you know what? I'm staying longer than
I thought. You know, I'm going to wait

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until Labor Day, see where things are. I

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worked pretty hard over uh uh summer

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recess in August and and decided uh to,
you know, wind down some of my

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activities because I accomplished a lot

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of my objectives. We can get into that
obviously and then uh kind of move into

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I'll call it my next phase of operations,
which includes a little

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break for me. Um it's been very tiring.

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I've been kind of, you know, going full
throttle for the last couple years and

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whatnot. And so we're really at a,
I think, a poignant moment in US history

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with what Trump's done and the things
you've seen in the media and whatnot.

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And there's a lot of other stuff
happening behind the scenes because, you

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know, a lot of my work has been private
behind the scenes, you know, working for

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Congress, specifically
Representative Burlson.

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>> So, let me ask you the environment.
So, are there some people in Congress that

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are interested in disclosure of this

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stuff and pursue you and want to find

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out information and want you to tell

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them what what's going on and and then
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resisting this? Yeah, I think there's
a big bifurcation of the non-believers and

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then kind of the UAP caucus. Although
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signing on to the cause like I did
a presser back in June in front of the

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capital with members and we even
had Brigider General retired uh

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representative Scott Perry there who was
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my home state of PA and it was good
to see other members, you know, start

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showing that they support the cause.
But it has been challenging behind the

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scenes and I had many skiff classified
meetings with the members kind of going

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over the topological history of this
topic and and some of the deeper darker

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kind of you know criminal stuff I bumped
into and how I worked with DOJ to kind

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of highlight some
of that stuff and that's what

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>> kind of criminal stuff.

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>> Yeah. So, uh, when I was, um, looking

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into this, and I have to be very
respectful of, uh, my participation in

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this because it's an ongoing thing with
DOJ. Um, I was, you know, following the

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money, bumping into other activities.

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Um, very much like, actually, it's sort

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of related. And if you saw in the news
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me, it's kind of uh, freaky, uh, but he
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bars. He was a CIA officer. where he
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special access program and you know he
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his own thing and getting gold and Rolexes
and stuff and the FBI raided his

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house back in May. True true story.

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Yeah, the guy has a >> is that gold bars?

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>> He has he had $40 million of gold bars.

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>> Where did he get the gold
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>> They have them laying around.

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>> Yeah. I can't get into all
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>> Hold on. The government has gold bars.

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>> Yeah. And this guy just snatched him.

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>> Yeah. He made I don't know all
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of government special access program
that nobody was briefed into. He like,

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you know, papered it and uh nobody
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And he was like, "Well, I need, you know,
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the special continuity
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>> Wait, wait, wait. So that's how
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I was over there, I'd have guys with

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briefcases full of $100,000 in cash
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>> So, >> but that kind of makes more
sense to me than lugging around gold.

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>> Yeah. >> What does like 40
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>> Uh I saw the seizure
photos. It's a lot.

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I mean, it's really >> Can
I see what that looks like?

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>> It's approximately 303 gold bars
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piece. >> Yo, that's a lot
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looking for a picture.
There's only like AI photos of it

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>> at least that I could find.

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>> So, a kilogram is 1.2.2 lb.

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>> Yeah. 2.28 or something.
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>> Yeah. >> Where the do you put?
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>> He did have it at his
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>> Bunch of Rolexes and all that.
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>> Yeah. Well, who knows what he was
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that's an open-ended thing. And he was

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he was pretending that he was using it

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for some disclosure type deal or did it

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have anything to do with UAPs?

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>> Uh not that I'm aware of, but that same

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ecosystem I bumped into.
So his fabricated program was a continuity

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government program. So that's like,
you know, if something bad happens,

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>> people are going to a hideout site,
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>> right? >> And so what
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was like the deep underbelly of the
federal government. We can get into it.

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It's it's a lot of stuff I've never
talked about because it's just very

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terrifying and I you know I've been

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through a lot of a lot of crazy and

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I ended up bumping into a criminal

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enterprise uh run out of a particular

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agency and um it was basically um

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getting money through certain criminal

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endeavors the most unspeakable type of
criminal endeavors under the cover of uh

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certain national security programs.

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That's about as >> When you
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>> You mean like what do
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>> Like child trafficking.

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So the government was involved in child

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trafficking for money. >> Officers
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Yeah. It's it's up. I uh I briefed
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all the details. Um, and I I'm

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highlighting that because

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this is how serious this issue is is

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there's an ecosystem and there's a lot
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terms of the the UAP side. Yeah. And I
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mine. They're patriotic people doing
their duty, but there is like a small

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little cast system of characters um that

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are part of this larger ecosystem of uh
no holds barred. we're going to do what

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we want and you know we're going to do
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get a washed money uh for our cutouts
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be Iran Contra right which is very

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famous 86 and the CIA was engaged in

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those kind of activities and this has
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that to fund the contras weapons

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purchases procurement etc and a lot of

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that you know seemed to uh possibly be
drug trafficking the government never

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confirmed that but you look at Barry

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Seal and and his um uh statements in the

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80s and 90s and and it's likely that
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>> Yeah. It was all
through Freeway Ricky Ross.

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>> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah. Ricky's
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>> That's right. That's right.

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>> Yeah. He was on what is it like two
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an attorney while I was in jail.
Found out learned to read first. Okay.

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Couldn't read. became an attorney in jail,
found out that they tried him. You

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know that triple jeopardy,
three strikes thing.

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>> Yeah. >> They tried
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that incorrectly because it's supposed
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arrested instead of like three crimes
that were attached to one arrest. So, he

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gets out of jail.
Now, he sells legal weed.

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>> All right. All right. >> Lovely guy.
But he he's a great guy, but

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he had no idea that he was selling
cocaine to fund the Contra versus the

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Sandinistas. >> Interesting.
He had no idea. He thought

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that he was just a a slick character
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was, you know, he didn't realize that
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it. Then we've also had Michael Roupert
on the podcast. You know who he is?

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officer that on uh I believe it was on

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C-SPAN. He went on C-SPAN during a

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hearing and he exposed the entire or

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organization selling drugs in South

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Central Los Angeles because he was
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busting people that were doing it
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alone because it was the CIA. >> Yeah.
Yeah. And so when I bumped into

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that stuff, you know, I immediately
worked at Department of Justice.

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>> That's one level, but like
child trafficking is another level.

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>> I know, man. It's it's really up
and and there's a lot of details that

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are I have a lot more questions than
answers and and I you know I worked with

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the OJ and you know from what I
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brief to Cash Patel about it last year.

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I wasn't in the briefing, but I, you

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know, I I was told I got kudos, but it

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was very disturbing. And so, like,

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obviously, a lot of these programs are
legal in the sense that there's in terms

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of UAP stuff, there's, you know,
classified executive orders back in the

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day that covers them and >>
and they're upstanding citizens and we

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could we could litigate like, you know,
uh, Congress wasn't necessarily brought

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into the fold enough from an oversight
perspective, etc. But, you know, the

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core of the program, you know, does have

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uh a legal beginning, but when you don't
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small pockets of people start doing
that they shouldn't have. And I and

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>> I got deeply ins snared in that. There

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was a very small group of people that

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uh, you know, pushed me over the edge
and I had to do what I got to do to to

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you know, protect myself. And I never
wanted to be a whistleblower. You know,

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I was a deeply entrenched, you know,
15-year intel officer, military officer

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in the Air Force. You know,
I was working some of the country's most

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sensitive issues. You know, started
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on space issues back during the Obama

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administration. And and in 2019 when I

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joined the UAP task force and I was
tasked to investigate this, I was like,

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"Sure, I'll look into it." you know, the
special access program or black program

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community has a lot of dysfunction
and and maybe some stuff wasn't reported,

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you know, you know, correctly and and I
didn't know really what I was going to

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find, but if there was a US program,
you know, I'd figure it out. I'd probably

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get cleared to it and we'd be fine. We'd

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have like a mafia meeting and and uh you

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know that and I know why it was protected
the way it is and whatnot. But

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about a year and a half about October

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2020 is when kind of my life changed and

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particular individuals instead of coming
to me who knew me by the way personally

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I know I know them personally now Dave

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you're bumping into something you know
I'm going to defensively brief you this

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is what it is or hey I'm going to slide
an NDA sign this and I'll read you in

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and my colleagues and I joked
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eventually somebody's going to knock
on my door in my office and be like, "Hey,

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I need to talk to you."
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it's really tragic because that would
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immediately got administratively nuked

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in October 2020 and basically they went

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after everybody around me. Uh my boss
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you know Major Gush the Air Force
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of NRO headquarters in Chantelli,

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Virginia under fabricated

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uh personal conduct things and and they
went after, you know, my chief of staff

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who worked for me at NGA when I was a 15

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and and co-workers, people they thought

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were my enablers, right? And um and I

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thought, okay, I could fight this.

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They're bringing up like my mental
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before, Afghanistan PTSD. I'm like, I

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reported it. I was cleared of,
you know, no problems. Kept my top secret

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clearance, and I still have my top

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secret clearance, but it got very,

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very um

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scary in early 2022. And I've avoided

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talking about this for a long time.
And I've mentioned in my hearing in 2023,

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you know, I was, you know, I'm I'm
here in fear for my life, etc. Well, you

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know, I'm not talking about the criminal
stuff. I found stuff that's happened in

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my personal life and stuff. And so, back

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in early 2022,

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um everything's fine. Uh started uh

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noticing some suspicious activity um

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near where I live and I didn't think
much of it. Thought it was kind of

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strange. And I don't want to quite go

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into all the details, but basically

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um later one particular day

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uh I was sent a message that they can

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touch me and my wife and they they're
they know where we are and they

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>> and what do you think this was
particular? Was this because of the

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child trafficking stuff? Was this

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because of some other illegal activity

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with no oversight? you know, in private

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environments, I was asked what what red

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line, what trip wire did I cross? To

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this day, I don't know specifically. I

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suspect uh based on them, what turns out

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they were monitoring my classified

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computer at work, uh my re my

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investigation notes that I would keep
encrypted on there. I think they were

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very worried that I figured out a lot
of things. And I I still don't know for

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sure though, like and it and there's
a lot of other things too. I guess I'm

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kind of jumping around because um in

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early 2021, you know, certain people

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that were helping me and I was talking

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to started to experience uh Havana

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syndrome symptoms, you know, anomalous
health incidents. And I know a lot about

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that. That's another kind of ecosystem I

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was an expert in in the government. And
of course, my first thing is like, huh?

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Uh, did you piss off the Russians
or Chinese or some other kind of foreign

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intelligence service or because you
don't think domestic. And I'm like, what

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did you do in your career? Were you
on covert action programs? Did you like,

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you know, bomb some, you know,
adversaries building and they're pissed

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off at you and they hold a grudge? And

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so I noticed that I wasn't going to

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equate that to the topic. And

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uh but I I was very nervous about that
because people I know uh were starting

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to experience those symptoms

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specifically uh microwave directed

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energy most likely just based on um
certain tradecraftraft they were doing

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to detect it which I won't get into
the details of that and then the their

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symptomology so to speak and uh so that

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was frightening and in in that 2021
time frame I was sitting at home I was

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getting you know investigated ated
by three agencies and um I really didn't

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know what was going on. A lot of my
colleagues were kind of continuing on

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that investigation on on on my behalf

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and eventually in late 2021 NGA hired me

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as a 15 off the street. Kind of came

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back into government full-time. I was

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hoping um that agency would protect me

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against uh you know the CIA and the NRO

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and and certain elements of the DoD
that were going after me because of these

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couple antagonists that were trying to

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you know basically um push me over the

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edge administratively. But

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what what I crossed the Rubicon in early
2022 when I was sent a message and it

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was this the same day I was sent
a message other people got that message

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too. So it was coordinated geographically
and of course you know I reported that

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to federal law enforcement count
intelligence element and at the time I'm

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like well you know there was a one
adversarial intelligence agency that had

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an interest in me several years ago
and I had a little incident that was

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actually kind of funny. Um so I wasn't

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sure if it was like the US government or

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even if it was related um to the my

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investigation. And then several several

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uh weeks later

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and I was I get chills talking about

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this cuz it's it's kind of upsetting. Um

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I was uh in DC um for a conference on

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UAP actually uh for my for my agency NGA

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at the time and I got summoned to an

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offbooks

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uh Senate Intel committee uh we'll call

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it meeting in their you know their skiff
right their their vault where you can

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talk classified information and certain

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individuals were there known to me um

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great credentials people I've known for

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a while uh in my line of work and so was

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you know a dozen dozen and a half uh

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senior staff for Marco Rubio Mark

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Wernern you know etc right and

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in that meeting uh we you know we talked

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about the legacy program the history
many hours and I'm going to fly on the

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wall like this is really for Senate
staff I'm just kind of sitting in the

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back and you know they turned to staff

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and they you know they pointed at me
and they're like um oh by the way you know

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the these couple individuals and they
and they named the individuals. I'm

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like, I know who they are. Um

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uh they uh wanted to kill you and um I

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know Lu Alazand talked about it, but why?

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>> I do not know that for sure. I think

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well so um

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be careful what I say. Uh there are
certain presidential findings that allow

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certain things to protect critical

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things in the government. And my

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assessment is I was getting so close to

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exposing it because I was sort of

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preparing my inspector general's uh

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report to the IG that um I must have
crossed some sort of Rubicon. I still

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would like to know and I hope these
people are you know uh brought to

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justice and that's you know my wish
and dream and hopefully Department of

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Justice does what's needed. But >> there's
an investigation ongoing right now.

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>> Yes. on that. And that's all I'll say
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>> Okay. How much of this do you think has

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to do with actual UAP disclosure and how

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much of it has to do with a lack of

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oversight that allowed people to do

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illegal activities? I think some problem

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children decided to abuse some standing

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options to protect, you know, critical

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infrastructure in the United States,
which, you know, for example, that would

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be like a Air Force flight line, a ICBM

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silo, um, other activities. And they

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decided, um, I was some sort of threat.

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And it's it's so disgusting because I
you know like I said I was a fieldgrade

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officer in the air force. I was a you
know GS15 a CIA colon equivalent

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civilian and I'm sitting there in Senate
chambers and I'm hearing this and I

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won't get into all the details.
in it a lot. I heard like you know all the

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details on that and I don't want to like

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um burn my sources and and I just

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remember how upset the Senate staff was

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and to the point where you know
a particular staffer um who's very senior

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went to his office and got some
whiskey and you know all of them started

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drinking in the skiff because it's
like everybody was afraid like are they

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serious? or like they literally
were thinking about killing Dave and

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like and and and I found out that there
was a kibash to that. It's a longer

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story for someday if I could ever,
you know, discuss the whole the whole

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history. And >> so it
was considered but then it was kibos.

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>> Yes. Thank God. And I know how it was

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stopped and I I owe some people a debt

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of gratitude literally. And um and this

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was just a few weeks after, you know, I

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was sent a message and and even after

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the meeting um we were finding stuff and

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other people were finding stuff um to

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let people know that they're being

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tracked. And I know this sounds like so

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crazy and all that, but

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>> Well, so does someone
having $40 million

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in gold hanging out their house and a
bunch of Rolexes. Never did I think, you

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know, I'm a very patriotic guy. I love
serving America. You know, it hurts me

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every day not having the uniform

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anymore. And knowing that was the level

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that they thought about going to because

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of this interesting interpretation of

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certain standing options. And I and

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eventually in this disclosure process,
a lot of that will come out. I just have

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to be careful what I say now until, you
know, the the president figures out how

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to, you know, release some
of this history, unfortunately. So,

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>> understood. Yeah. So, one of the things
that we talked about before, so you were

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scheduled for another podcast a while
back, but flights got cancelled when we

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moved it today, but you were saying
that it's actually fortuitous that it was

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rescheduled. >> Yeah.
A lot of things are happening. I

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see the administration getting really
really serious on this and I think

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people don't appreciate the courage that

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Trump is is is showing right now uh

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ordering the government to release
everything we know about this topic.

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It'll be >> courage how
so like you think he's in

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danger from releasing this information?

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>> Not necessarily, but it's it's

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um the ontological shock and the history

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coming out and sort of the outrage.
I mean, I think it'll be uniting sort of

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like in post 911 America after
the towers fell, right? You have the the

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fear of dirty bombs and other terrorist
attacks, but you also have this like

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uniting uh panacea
that kind of brings people.

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>> You think that is equivalent
to what's happening right now?

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>> It will be and I think

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>> going to happen.

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>> So, I believe uh before Trump Trump's

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term ends that it's all going to come

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out. What does that mean?
>> Everything I've testified about, you

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know, the fact that, you know, we've
been studying this for a while. We've

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recovered material aka intact
semi-intact craft. We've, you know,

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recovered this anomalous intelligence

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piloting the craft. And, you know, we

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are reverse engineering that. And

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obviously, there's other parts to that.

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It's very complicated ecosystem. A lot
of people who are just release it all,

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show us Indiana Jones warehouse tour

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don't appreciate the care that we're

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going to have to um proceed with because

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this is not a static ecosystem. This isn't
just like archaeology where you're

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digging up stuff. There is you are

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dealing with you know third parties both

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human you know adversarial countries etc.
they have their own program. Then

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you have, you know, our this anomalous
intelligence, our visitors, NHI,

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whatever you want to call them,
ultraterrestrial, depending on which

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taxonomy in the tree that you want to um

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ascribe some of this origin to. And and

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of course, you know, the the national
security related technology that has

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been derived, we've derived great stuff
to defend America. I've had exposure on

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that and you know, I'm very >>
re it through back engineering.

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>> Yeah. >> 100%.

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>> Yes. Well, some of it it it was

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inspiration. It wasn't a a onetoone
like we we we unlocked the iPhone. It was

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like, "Huh, that's an interesting
material. Look at that um frequency

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selective surface property. You know

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what? We could use that for an aerospace

462
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,397
application or whatever." And so, a lot

463
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,037
of it was garnered via inspiration, not

464
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,237
one to one. Yeah. In some cases, I

465
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,237
suppose we did, but like that's been

466
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,157
most of it. Yeah. So what's the holdup

467
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,477
in terms of disclosure?

468
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,357
>> I necessarily can't
read the president's

469
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,397
mind. Uh there's certainly a uh

470
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,717
multilateral kind of diplomatic issue. I

471
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,917
mean so we're in this this issue now
where once we cross the Rubicon then we

472
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,117
affect allies and adversaries. You know
our adversaries have programs. What are

473
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,837
they going to tell their citizenry?
You have uh possible theological distress

474
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,597
Vatican etc. And I'm, you know, I'm a

475
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,117
Catholic and I I certainly appreciate

476
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,717
uh the Vatican's long study on this
subject and they just stayed quiet on

477
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,797
what they know. And so it's there's a

478
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,357
lot of like collateral effects if you're

479
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,637
not careful with certain stuff. you you

480
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,277
can you know trigger a response
and there is great fear that uh I don't

481
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:25,037
necessarily believe in this but like
there has been assessments in the past

482
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:29,917
that you know revealing certain things
may you know trigger a response from a

483
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,597
third party >> trigger
a response from them from these

484
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,877
>> possibly entities yes and that is a

485
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,837
>> that has been written up uh government
think tanks wrote that up in reports to

486
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,357
previous presidents >> so
the the the theory is that we

487
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,317
disclosed people are now aware of it all
over the globe and they decide to show

488
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,037
themselves. >> Yeah.
I mean, I think there's a real

489
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,117
fear of like a Ghostbusters moment, I'll

490
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,197
say. And Oh, boy. You know, and

491
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,997
it's one of those things where

492
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:07,037
I I'm trying to walk the line and be as

493
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:11,037
diplomatic as possible and also trying
to prepare the populace at the same time

494
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:14,637
because clearly the government hasn't
right now. And I mean, Trump wants it

495
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,037
out for sure. His team needs to be

496
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,357
astute enough to know what to ask for.

497
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,637
Uh, you know, massage the deep state and

498
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,277
and get that information because we
just saw Tim Bchett on Benny Johnson's

499
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,477
podcast talk about uh Steven Miller
called him and was like, "Hey, I'm

500
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,957
getting blocked like physically blocked
from access to a lot of this stuff."

501
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,397
And, you know, that's very concerning.
I I would say Steven Miller is an alpha

502
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,117
dog. He's a pitbull.
And as a fellow alpha, I do appreciate his

503
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,357
>> That's a silly thing to say.
You know that, right?

504
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,237
>> What? >> A fellow alpha.
>> Fellow alpha.

505
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,197
>> Opens yourself up to like
tremendous amounts of ridicule.

506
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,437
>> Yeah, I know. I know. I mean, nobody's
perfect and I know everybody has their

507
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,077
faults, but I do appreciate >>
the ferveny. he is attacking the issue

508
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,917
behind the scenes and I just I think he

509
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,357
needs guided the right way and informed
and and kind of how how to cut this

510
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,877
deal. You know, like >> I met
him very briefly at the UFC event

511
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,477
at the White House and he told me that
it's going to come out. I'm like, okay,

512
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,677
>> that's good. Well, there you go.

513
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:18,957
>> It was really quick. >> Yeah.

514
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,757
>> Was like he's like, I'm just I
know you're interested in this. This is

515
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,117
literally all we talked about.

516
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,637
>> The UFO thing is going to come out.

517
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,037
>> Yeah. >> Like, okay,
when when's that coming out?

518
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,917
Let's go. >> Exactly.
and and and and Trump

519
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,997
understands the subject pretty good
and you know he's in the know and

520
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,317
he understands some of the implications.

521
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,717
So I like I said he has a lot of courage
because this is likely going to change

522
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,877
society in a big way. I can't necess
I'm not like a social anthropologist or a

523
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,437
psychiatrist like I can't necessarily
predict in what specific ways it might

524
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,237
reduce you know feudal nation state peer
competition and other things. Uh, but it

525
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,197
is going to change and I and I think
when people look back at this interview,

526
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,037
it's gonna be very haunting because I
think in short order, you know, before

527
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,277
Trump leaves office, we're going to be
in a new paradigm. And I'm normally a

528
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,557
very pessimistic, cynical person. A lot
of my friends know that. But I I have

529
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:11,917
great confidence that the president is

530
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,757
doing the right thing. And I I I feel um

531
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,757
there's eventually going to there
the people that are in charge of this are

532
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,197
going to have to comply with the the
president's order. And uh but there's a

533
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,277
right way of of doing this, I think. And
I, like I said, I'm not some sick of fan

534
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,677
for the deep state. I'm a whistleblower,
obviously. And you know, I have um

535
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,837
philosophical differences about how this

536
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,237
was kept and how they could possibly

537
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,757
reveal stuff. But I I am surprisingly
confident, which is which is kind of

538
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,077
weird for me to say because I just see
the tea leaves. I know Miller's serious.

539
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,277
Um there's other people in government
serious. I mean, even see Aaron Lucas,

540
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,957
the PDDNI, the deputy director
of national intelligence, you know, sign

541
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,797
these big NDA waiverss. It includes like
any kind of waiver of not even telling

542
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,637
the president, sorry, you have to tell
us kind of thing. And and so you you're

543
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,157
seeing kind of the the chess board being
set. I know everybody's not happy with

544
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,837
the tranches coming out with the
lowhanging fruit videos and and

545
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,437
recordings and stuff. And Representative

546
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,197
Burlson and I before I left his office

547
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,197
recently got um a 1952 recording that

548
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,117
was still classified from Blue Book
talking about the seriousness of this

549
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,117
issue and all the crazy that they're
seeing near nuclear sites and

550
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,717
test ranges, which is interesting

551
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,997
because in in uh that video that's been

552
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,077
declassified, it mentions the very
sites that in modern day have that same

553
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,477
anomalous activity to include stuff in
the Southwest. So I can't say where it's

554
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,317
in the ecosystem in the open source,
but the the executive branch hasn't

555
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,837
acknowledged what specific test
and training range. They're seeing crazy

556
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,077
orbs that they can't explain this acost

557
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,117
helicopters and and all that. So

558
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,717
>> um so is Trump experiencing resistance

559
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,197
in your opinion?

560
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,437
>> Yes. Um, and I don't know all the

561
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,717
details, but uh, clearly clearly Miller

562
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,037
has, and a lot of it is, I think, and I
can't read the mind of the deep state,

563
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,437
but as a former deep stater, uh, I would
say that there's always been this kind

564
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,437
of disdain for political appointees and
they don't and members of Congress, like

565
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,157
they don't they don't have the reverence
on this issue. They're going to it

566
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,757
up. They're going to, you know, say
something that they shouldn't have about

567
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,477
a classified program. And um that's why

568
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,917
some classified programs are kept from

569
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,197
Congress. It's called waved programs. Um

570
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,877
and uh the only presidents that were

571
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,637
really really involved were the ones
like HW Bush, right? He was CI director.

572
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,797
He was fully briefed on this issue.
A lot of that lore is true about HW Bush.

573
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,277
Cheney, like I've talked about, fully in

574
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,757
this. He was the mob boss for many

575
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,157
years. He was kind of the head of this

576
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,997
activity. And so I think there's some um

577
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,837
testing of the waters right now. It's
kind of like cat's paw dynamic, like you

578
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,157
know, we'll give you a little bit of this,
a little bit of that, and they're

579
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,237
they're seeing how the administration
is going to potentially roll this out. And

580
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,477
and obviously if the White House wants

581
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,357
my opinion, I'm available. But um I do

582
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,357
trust the president's team hopefully

583
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,397
will be able to handle this. And because

584
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,957
I if Trump doesn't enforce his order
and see this through, I don't think any

585
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,557
other president is going to be able.
I mean I mean regardless of Democrat,

586
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,997
left, right, whatever, like if he
follows through on this, he's going to

587
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,157
be the goat. He's going to be a legend.

588
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,357
And you know, all the other things
people have problems with in his

589
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,077
presidency, Iran, whatever, I think this

590
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,517
will um wipe those out. and this is like

591
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,237
really important for his legacy
to initiate the process before the 28

592
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,797
election. Then there's like a hot
handoff to the next um administration.

593
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,157
And you know, if Trump's a political
animal, he could easily line up a

594
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,397
Republican team on the 28 ticket
to basically, you know, be his continuity

595
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,957
on this, too.
I think that'd be very smart. And

596
00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:00,077
>> so this is going to take a long
time to release. Is that how you're

597
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,397
>> projecting this?
>> That was always the plan back in the

598
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,757
day. I just because it's like
an anestization and climatization process.

599
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,957
It's like, you know, okay, we're gonna
focus on this topic. Everybody's this is

600
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,077
going to get normalized. The temperature
is going to cool and then we're going to

601
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,637
bring in this shocking thing. >> So,
there's a there's a schedule like in

602
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,517
terms of like the psychological
impact on the populace.

603
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,837
>> There was in the past in terms of

604
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,957
certain um government think tanks wrote

605
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,357
classified assessments for uh previous
presidents on this. I don't know what

606
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,637
the current plan is. I'm just uh I'm
currently literally a private citizen

607
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,117
right now. But if they're going to do

608
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,637
what they did in the past, it is

609
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,037
>> and the slow roll
out has its pluses and

610
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,837
minuses. Like I would say due to human
factors, risks of adversarial countries

611
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,597
getting ahead of us, other
whistleblowers, whatever. You probably

612
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,597
have to roll this out in at least like
12 months and whatnot. But we're in a

613
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,077
precarious time if the administration

614
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,797
doesn't start because uh China
and Russia could take advantage of this

615
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,077
moment now. Our weakness, you know,
China has their famous uh belt and road

616
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,157
initiative. Uh China has admitted
publicly that they have a UAP task

617
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:11,757
force. Obviously, they have more than

618
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,077
that behind the scenes. And they

619
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:19,037
actually announced that when the DoD UAP
task force was announced, you can find a

620
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,877
news article from June 2020 in the South
China Morning Post where they talk about

621
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,317
they're analyzing these encounters.

622
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,637
They're using AI, etc. So,

623
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,797
>> do you feel that China has or do you

624
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,557
know if China has these crashed vehicles

625
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,837
as well? >> There's parallel programs.

626
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,397
>> There's parallel programs. Now, one of

627
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,957
the things that Diana Pulka said when
and and Gary Nolan refers to in the same

628
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,117
way as well, they they
refer to them as donations.

629
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,797
>> Yeah, that's what's really interesting
is I am aware of certain historical

630
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,077
retrieval rules where they were like

631
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,557
perfectly landed and it wasn't like a

632
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,917
crash and what is what's going on there?

633
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,357
I'm sure we've done a deep assessment. I

634
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,957
never had access to that kind of
information. I'm sure that we understand

635
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,797
why that happened at some level, but that
is true that that's actually happened.

636
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,197
>> So the theory is that they want us to

637
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,597
find these things so that we can examine

638
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,317
the technology and perhaps work from it,

639
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,397
>> like engineer it or like you were
saying before, gain inspiration to try new

640
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,077
>> Yeah. I mean, part of it's like throw
in the gorilla banana, see if it can peel

641
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,877
it. But also, the the more skeptical

642
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,917
intel officer in me is like, is this
a Trojan horse? Do you want us to uh

643
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,757
figure things out and then get then get

644
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,997
addicted to certain type of technology

645
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,277
and then that creates a control loop uh

646
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,357
where they start handling us whether we

647
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,917
need raw resources to maintain a certain

648
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,197
technology or as in this intelligence
whatever this is this nonhuman

649
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,637
intelligence

650
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:56,637
>> right so if if it is a if it is a

651
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:01,757
donation do you feel like this donation
is evenly distributed amongst world

652
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,517
powers.

653
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,357
>> You know, I do not know the the the

654
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,357
statistical distribution. That's very

655
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,157
interesting. I I never understood the

656
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:16,477
total number of retrievalss in um
other countries participated in.

657
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,877
>> Well, there's supposed to be
quite a few in the United States.

658
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,077
>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's for sure.
I don't know the answer to that actually.

659
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,317
I'm sure there's a statistical analysis
that'll come out in this process. You

660
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,797
know, >> do you think there's any shared
information between these governments?

661
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,077
Do you think they communicate?

662
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,037
>> There is a a gentleman's agreement.
Uh the the top layer of it I can talk

663
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,557
about, and I've talked about it
previously, so it's not um anything

664
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,357
super new. If you look at the accident
measures agreement of 1971, which which

665
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,517
is the short title of this god-awfully
long title treaty that was signed in

666
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,917
September 1971,

667
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,157
you'll see article three of the treaty

668
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,637
talks about UAP. And hey, if you see any

669
00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:01,437
unidentified objects around your nuclear
or critical critical comms facilities,

670
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,717
please call us, bro. And that was

671
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,717
between the USSR in America. And then uh

672
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,957
in 2013, the classified annex of that
treaty got declassified. You can find it

673
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,197
online at George Washington University
National Security Archives, but it gives

674
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,757
the nuke flash like the red line like

675
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,637
code to say it was like Adam222, Adam

676
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:22,957
333, and that's all declassified. and he

677
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,877
would send that to the the Kremlin like

678
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,237
hey uh we see weird around

679
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,437
uh plac uh it's not us it's not a false

680
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,397
flag and vice versa and so there was a

681
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,077
redline comms for UAP activity between u

682
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,677
Russia and the US and of course Russia
and US during the Cold War had a mutual

683
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,757
notification treaty for space launch

684
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,957
vehicle and ICBM launches etc. Weirdly

685
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,197
enough, we've never had that with China.

686
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,957
Even to this day, we don't have a mutual,
this is crazy. We don't have a

687
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,837
mutual notification. If they're going
to do like a a sub submarine launched

688
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,437
ballistic missile test out of, you know,

689
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,997
off their coast, they're not obligated

690
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,277
by treaty to tell us. So, and sometimes

691
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,997
they don't with certain national
security activities. and and so uh

692
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,637
Northern Command, NORAD, Missile Warning
Center, other other places, uh NSA,

693
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:18,877
DefMAC and Laurel, Maryland have to be
on their agame to like make sure it was

694
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,357
like a test because the Chinese aren't

695
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,277
obligated to tell us. And I um a crazy

696
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,157
story in that regard. The Indians did

697
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:32,877
something like that to us. I was on duty
in the NRO operations center. And by the

698
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,317
way, I got this clear through security,

699
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,797
so you know, NRO, don't shank me. Um uh

700
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,357
basically there was an unexpected

701
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,717
Indian uh missile test that hit one of
their satellites in 2019. I think it was

702
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,637
like March of 2019.
>> One of our satellites.

703
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:53,437
>> Oh no, not our uh one of their uh
weather. Yeah. Their own defunct weather

704
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,997
satellite and >>
on purpose or an accident?

705
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,037
>> On purpose. And >> they shot
down one of their own satellites

706
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,157
>> and they didn't tell us. I remember
in my office at like all these different

707
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,837
phones. I'm like calling the embassy
all this. I'm like what the you know,

708
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,157
and because we were worried at the NRO
about the debris because we fly space,

709
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,717
you know, spy satellites. That's
the mission of the National Reconnaissance

710
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,317
Office and I was the backup director
of intelligence as a reser at the

711
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,757
operations center where I was, you know,
also handling the PDB for the director

712
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,797
and I, you know, led the director's
briefing team and, you know, I'm like

713
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,837
going to the orbital analysts on the
watch floor with all the crazy screens

714
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,597
like calculate the the the debris field,
you know, let me know if we have to

715
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,357
maneuver something and blah blah blah.

716
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,357
I'm like running up to the director's
office in my uniform, you know, out of

717
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,197
breath. I'm like, "Holy shit." You know,
um, and it was kind of a big deal. And

718
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,277
that's publicly, you know, you can
Google that now. And, um, I remember

719
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,277
when that went down, it was pretty crazy.
So, >> that sounds completely insane.

720
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,037
>> Yeah. >> So, are there
other countries besides

721
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,837
China, Russia, and US that supposedly
have access to these vehicles?

722
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,557
>> Yeah. >> Which other
countries can you say? that

723
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,997
I don't want to get into cuz
that gets into some sensitive stuff,

724
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,637
>> right? Um, supposedly this is like one

725
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:11,197
of the best legends that there's a a craft
that's so large they couldn't move

726
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,437
it so they had to make a building
around it and it's supposedly in Korea.

727
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,077
>> A legend? >> I don't know.
>> Oh, yeah. You do know. How dare you?

728
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,797
But if you heard you've heard
that rumor, I'm sure online.

729
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,397
>> I've heard that rumor online. Yeah.

730
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,917
>> Yeah. You don't know
anything about that?

731
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,237
>> Yeah. We'll let the federal government.

732
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,037
Do you have any personal
experience with any of this stuff?

733
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,317
>> You know, it's funny you asked that. I,

734
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,197
as far as I can remember, I have no

735
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,757
experience with the phenomenon. Like
a lot of a lot of people in this, I guess,

736
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,357
ufology or whatever you want to call it,
they have that personal experience like,

737
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,157
oh yeah, when I was a kid,
I saw an orb or whatever. And

738
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:52,637
>> I have zero. I've seen a couple
interesting things in the sky that, you

739
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,077
know, could have been satellite passes.

740
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,597
I've been an amateur astronomer besides
having a physics degree. I've been an

741
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,797
amateur astronomer since like I was like
in middle school like 12 13 years old

742
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,357
and and I still have never seen anything

743
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,997
in my personal life uh in a stupendous
nature. I've never had any kind of

744
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,957
spooky woo stuff happen
>> never been visited.

745
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,957
>> No. and and and that's why like I was
open to this you know I'm a child of the

746
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,717
80 well I grew up at I was born in the 80s
you know most of my childhood was in

747
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,037
the 90s and you know I watched XFiles

748
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,237
and Star Trek Next Gen and of course I'm

749
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,197
like you know I'm a precocious teen
reading like brief history time and you

750
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,557
know Isaac Azimov and I'm learning
about the Draco equation I'm like there's

751
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,357
probably life but who knows and I'm I'm
open to it and then you know when I got

752
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,317
in into the intelligence community
that's like the first thing I looked up

753
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,917
like on the I'm like on the computer.

754
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,397
I'm like I go on to a certain database.

755
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,557
I'm like type it in Area 51, you know,
UFOs. Like everybody's done that who's

756
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,597
who's gone through intel school whether
they admit it or not. And of course, I

757
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,197
didn't see anything or anything.

758
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,677
>> Um the only thing
I bumped into early in

759
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,397
my career in like 2009, I remember

760
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,277
reading the OSAP uh the Defense

761
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,597
Intelligence reference documents, the
DIDs, and at the time I had no idea what

762
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,597
they were doing. And turns out it was
obviously UAP related, but I was reading

763
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,317
why why is the DIA looking into magneto

764
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,317
hydrodnamic propulsion and uh cloaking

765
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,997
and all all this other stuff. And of

766
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,397
course I find out later what it was, but

767
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,677
I had absolutely no uh personal

768
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,317
experience and even professionally
uh for most of my career. Now I found

769
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,237
out behind the scenes later like, "Oh,
you remember that top secret program

770
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,717
you're working on, Dave? you were
actually uh looking for UAP and you

771
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,397
didn't know it. I'm like what? And and
of course, you know, I find out and I

772
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,557
learn about, you know, how they hid all
this infrastructure and they used a lot

773
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,797
of conventional national security
intelligence collection architecture to

774
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,477
basically facilitate this crash
retrieval program, which makes sense

775
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,317
because they're not going to reinvent
the wheel and, you know, totally have a

776
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,877
separate infrastructure to use to like

777
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,517
figure out if stuff crashed, activity,

778
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,237
etc., right? And um you know early I

779
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,477
would say about 10 years
into my career I remember

780
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,557
some imagery analysts saying hey
Dave you know like uh they told us to

781
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,957
airbrush some stuff out of photos and
stuff and it was round and I'm like okay

782
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,157
dude well maybe that's something you're

783
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,477
not clear to or whatever. And I do

784
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,637
remember that and I had some suspicious

785
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:30,237
recruitment earlier in my career too.
I was on some really sensitive stuff that

786
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,557
I ended up finding out it was um
directly adjacent to the program and I

787
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,437
went through this whole like smoking
man recruitment thing for a year and you

788
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,277
know was told I was going to get these
kind of bizarre accesses and I'm like

789
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,477
what are you talking about
and ultimately I was never recruited and I

790
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,157
kind of just like put filed that in the
back of my brain for years but like I've

791
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:52,397
said uh you know before it wasn't until

792
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,517
like spring of 2017 I was at the CIA

793
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,917
briefing um the deputy director staff on

794
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,037
a bunch of DoD classified programs and

795
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,837
the chief of um a very sensitive office
at the agency pulled me aside and was

796
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,757
like, "Dave, what what do you know
about UFOs? Like uh I hear there's like a

797
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,517
program at the Pentagon and all that."

798
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,557
And and and I'm like, "I don't know."

799
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,357
Like I'm briefed almost every DoD
program at the time by the way and

800
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,557
hundreds of of of programs in the
intelligence community because I was in

801
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,677
a position of very high trust and I
you know I'm very patriotic and I'm very

802
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,837
humbled that I was in a position like

803
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,477
that in my 30s and and I didn't think

804
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,597
anything of it until until this this

805
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,437
subject got more popularized people went

806
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,757
public you know Tom Dong TTSA and all

807
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,037
that and and and then I was

808
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,877
professionally interested but not really

809
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,757
working on it in 2018 and then early in

810
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,037
19 is when I got brought on as the NRO

811
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,517
rep to the the then Navy task force
which became the DoD's, you know, UAP

812
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,357
task force. That's kind of my origin
story. And and so I was always I'm

813
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,957
always been curious, but I never saw
evidence and I never had any personal

814
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,837
experience with the phenomenon that kind
of kind of colors my uh judgment on

815
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,677
this, I guess. So, >> so I'm
sure you're aware of how put off

816
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,437
when he was uh tasked by the Bush
administration along with a bunch of

817
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,197
other thinkers to try to come up
with pros and cons for disclosure.

818
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,877
>> Yeah, I knew some other people in that

819
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,357
meeting and I verified that meeting took

820
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:24,317
place and even even Arrow admitted
in their volume one report which was

821
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,077
horrible. Well, that's a long story.

822
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:31,597
Painful. Uh, that it it took place, but it
was just a hypothetical scenario at a

823
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,637
a fedally funded research and development
center in Northern Virginia.

824
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:35,597
>> What year was this?

825
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,437
>> 2004. It was like November of 2004. And

826
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,477
it's like, but why was it hypothetical

827
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,357
if it's not real? Nobody explains that.

828
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,797
And obviously the story is, you know,
Steve Hadley, who was the national

829
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,437
security adviser, uh, sponsored it. You
know, I I believe Hadley denies it, but

830
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,877
you know, who knows if Steve would uh
you know, tell the truth on that just

831
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,237
because of the sensitivity. So,
>> and so for people that don't know what

832
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,077
happened, supposedly they brought in a

833
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,317
bunch of different thought leaders and

834
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,597
they gave them uh a pro and a con side,

835
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,597
like what would be negatively affected
by disclosure, what would be positively

836
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,117
affected by disclosure, and attached
a numerical value to each group.

837
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,117
>> Correct. They had
like a computer system

838
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,037
there that like tabulated everything
from what I know talking to other

839
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,877
attendees >> and virtually
every one of them had more

840
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,197
negative than positive and so
the decision was made to not disclose.

841
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,037
>> Well, yeah.
And in the main decision, if

842
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,757
I remember correctly was the federal

843
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,717
contracts fraud. Well, that could be

844
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,557
debated in, you know, the Supreme Court.

845
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,957
But uh they realized a lot of and so
this is another issue of disclosure

846
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,237
besides the onlogical thought shock
and people can't handling it and like

847
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,957
>> misappropriation of funds. >> Yeah.
And misappropriation of funds and

848
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,997
all that. It's oh so these set of

849
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,157
contractors got sole source contracts
and exclusive access to this for

850
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:59,597
internal research and development where
they figure out something then sell it

851
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,837
back to the government etc. for all
these decades. What about my mid-level

852
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,717
small business and my contractor
and blah blah blah. And so you're going to

853
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,757
they were afraid that you would see
legal challenges going to the Supreme

854
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,957
Court in violation of what they call
the DEFARS, right? The defense federal

855
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,637
acquisition regulations, >> right?

856
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:20,077
>> And the the government would be liable

857
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,397
for who knows billions of

858
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,037
dollars worth of monies that they spent

859
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:30,237
on this to these contractor partners
that got in back in the day and like,

860
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,677
well, we're not exposing any more people.
We're locking it down. and what

861
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,677
they call a JNA, justification
and approval for a soul source contract.

862
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,957
This is a reason national security like
we can't expose any more people to this.

863
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,437
And of course that also causes a brain
drain and group think and and actually

864
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,917
hurts the defense uh industrial base.

865
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,557
But that was the main reason. It wasn't

866
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,117
oh uh you know upcoming millennials that

867
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,437
are turning 18 can't handle it. It was

868
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,317
like yeah we're we're kind of culpable
and kind of a up contractual

869
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,437
relationship. And and that's going
to be something that the the Trump

870
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,877
administration is going to have to deal
with. It's like, well, how do I reorient

871
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,197
the defense and industrial base?
I mean, this could trigger a golden era of

872
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,517
innovation in America. More people get
to play. You overtly can take the basic

873
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,757
information that's not sensitive um
and put it into academia, right? So, you

874
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,917
have undergraduate, graduate, post-doal
programs, and you actually create this

875
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,637
like more educated workforce to actually
benefit national security. But, and and

876
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:32,557
China doesn't have this issue.
They're they're pulling people from pick a

877
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,997
university in China, Nanjing, whatever
university, and they're sucking them

878
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,877
into these programs and but in America,
we don't have that kind of permissive

879
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,637
totalitarian environment. So, >> well,
in China, they probably don't have

880
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,677
the issue with misappropriation
of funds and lying to Congress.

881
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,837
>> No, CCP, baby.
You know, do whatever you want.

882
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,117
>> They do whatever they want. So, they
don't have to worry about liability. So,

883
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,197
this is one of the things that came up
in that film, Age of Disclosure, is that

884
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,117
you're going to have to make some sort

885
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,117
of a amnesty program.

886
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,197
>> Yeah. And I'm I am
for that as long it's

887
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,037
like use immunity
for specific uh testimony or

888
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,157
>> as long as it doesn't cover like
this other you're talking about.

889
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,637
>> Like my and of course I know who's

890
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,237
watching people clearly that are from

891
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,517
this ecosystem. Um, you know, I would,

892
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,477
you know, expect that like everybody's
been basically good Americans. There's a

893
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,517
small cast of characters that have done
unspeakable things. I mean, how they

894
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,437
wanted to kill me. This is like it's
disturbing and and you wonder why I

895
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,077
had to become a whistleblower.
I didn't want to do this but like I was

896
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,557
pushed over the edge uh to do that, you

897
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,637
know? I digress. But like besides like

898
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,037
bluecollar really up criminal

899
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,757
shits, which you know, once again,
there is a judicial justice process in

900
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,757
America, you know, we're not going to do
street justice here. We will, you know,

901
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,757
take care of that professionally. Um,
like I took care of the other criminal

902
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,357
stuff I found out professionally.
I'm like, look, I'm, you know, and and and

903
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,077
when I was doing that, I mean,
I was meeting people body armor armed with

904
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,357
colleagues of mine that were, you know,
rolling heavy, too. And like it was a

905
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,157
very serious part of my investigation.

906
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:14,797
But yeah, I I believe in amnesty, but I
I think we need to do it like a truth

907
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,317
and reconciliation commission, which was
in post-apartid South Africa in the 90s

908
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,797
where you had um you know, some white
farmer comes in, it's like, yeah, I

909
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,837
murdered a bunch of black people or
whatever, you know, and it's like, okay,

910
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,117
thank you for telling us that. You're
good. You know, don't do it again and

911
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,477
move on. I'm I mean, I'm distilling it
down, but that's essentially what the

912
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,557
TRC in South Africa was. And I think
something like that would be very

913
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,157
additive and good because I mean I have
friends that run the program. They're

914
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:41,837
they're great guys. They're bros you

915
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,117
know and gals and um they you know were

916
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,597
signed paperwork you know it was like
if you you know divulge this it's under

917
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:54,237
penalty of treason you go to Levvenworth
or you know capital punishment.

918
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,677
>> And yeah >> let's
break down what you know.

919
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,197
>> Yeah >> and what you can say.

920
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,797
>> Yeah. What are these
things and what are

921
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,237
they capable of? >> So,

922
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,957
uh, there's like physical
and non-physical, call it UAP and

923
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,957
intelligence we're likely dealing with.

924
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,717
So, for example, the orbs, could that be

925
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,837
sentient plasmoid? Possibly >>
sentient plasmoid. So, plasma that has

926
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,717
consciousness. >> Yeah.
in some way and that could be like

927
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,077
you're seeing the other side of some
sort of wormhole and it's some other

928
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,877
intelligence shooting this like I'll
call it like plasmoidic probe into you

929
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,077
know our existence I mean there's this
is of course a theoretical framework and

930
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,677
once again I don't have a PhD in >>
but it's theoretical that there is a

931
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,477
life form that is a plasmabased life form

932
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,077
>> and there's already papers on the open

933
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,717
internet about this a couple years ago

934
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,517
what's the title of the the paper they

935
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,677
wrote about this possibility so this is

936
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,677
a um academic assessment of a

937
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,157
possibility of the orbs. Now, could the

938
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,157
orbs actually be physical craft, but

939
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:02,797
they have a sheath of plasma around it?

940
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,477
Interestingly enough, and OAP did a

941
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,517
defense intelligence reference document
on magneto hydrodnamic propulsion, um

942
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,797
which if you remember the the
movie The Hunt for Red October,

943
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,637
>> that's the Caterpillar Drive on the

944
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,317
Russian submarine, you know, back in the

945
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,317
day. Uh and of course uh with MHD you

946
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:23,917
can also do it you have to use a

947
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,037
conductive fluid um either salt seawater

948
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,957
that has salt in it or uh you could do
it in the air but you have to create a

949
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,837
plasma and you steer the plasma with
it's called the lorren force it's it's

950
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,637
basically have a perpendicular magnetic
field large amount electricity and you

951
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:44,717
can basically through the lorren force
which is like ionic propulsion sort of

952
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,157
um uh control it in the in the atmosphere
as well and you can you know

953
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:51,117
read papers on that and I e and and

954
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,517
other stuff like that and so one of the

955
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,157
byproducts of an air breathing MHD

956
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:00,317
system is plasma around it. So depending

957
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,957
on the size of the orb um it
is conceivable that there's a physical

958
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,717
craft behind it as well just by as an
artifact of the propulsion system. Uh

959
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,117
once again that's a a theory. I'm
sure the program knows and that will be

960
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,837
communicated at a later date
but like you know that's Yeah.

961
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,837
>> So this theory about sentient plasma

962
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:20,477
>> Yeah.

963
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,757
>> is it the idea that we have a very

964
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,877
narrow-minded view of what life can be

965
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,677
>> and that life as it evolved in other

966
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,557
places in other parts of the universe >>
went noncroporeal at some point like the

967
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,677
the meat suit sucks. We're going
to >> right >> be an energetic

968
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,557
>> like this is an ultimate expression of

969
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,917
both technology and at least enhanced

970
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,397
evolution that eventually consciousness

971
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,677
is isolated or consciousness may be

972
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,717
ubiquitous and exists
in everything anyway and that yeah

973
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,677
>> yeah certainly and I'm not
the the expert in I would say the the

974
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,077
consciousness theory I like the Penrose

975
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,797
Hamarov orc O theory which is the

976
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,357
microtubules the room temperature So
microtubules are in neurons of the brain

977
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,037
and you have this like room temperature
quantum system that can collapse the

978
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,997
wave function without an observer and

979
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,157
that's what Roger Penrose and Stuart
Hamarov and I've talked to Hamarov crazy

980
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,957
smart guy um he's an anesthesiologist by

981
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,877
training and Penrose obviously is a very

982
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:28,557
famous mathematician and uh physics
legend and uh that's how they view

983
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,917
consciousness. I'm not saying that's
the exact model. I happen to prefer it

984
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,197
because it's very trippy and very

985
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,837
interesting and does explain spooky

986
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,397
action and like um telepathy because oh
well if it's just a quantum system then

987
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,237
I'm like quantumly entangled. Oh that
makes sense now like why remote viewing

988
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,797
and other stuff works right. >> Yeah.

989
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,077
>> Okay. So you have some sort
of plasabased intelligence.

990
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,797
>> Yeah. >> And then what else?

991
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:00,237
So obviously there has been the physical
craft of all different flavors like I've

992
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,437
talked about it. You know the tic
tacs are real. There's eggs. There's

993
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,277
different types of discs. There's boot

994
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,477
heels sunfish looking things. Um uh

995
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,797
boomerangs crescent moon looking uh

996
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,437
craft as well. And obviously

997
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:18,557
all those have different um
origins in terms of pilots and

998
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,077
whatnot. There's a there's a little bit

999
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,277
of overlap. It's almost like uh certain

1000
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,597
people like the Porsche 911 or Ford
Mustang. They they kind of build the

1001
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,237
same shape and that's probably
indicative of the technology or the

1002
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,997
propulsion system. >> I'm not
an expert in exactly why that

1003
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,637
is. And yeah, we've recovered, you know,

1004
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:38,797
sever several different types and it's a

1005
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,757
it's once again it's a taxonomy where

1006
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,317
it's almost like like not all white
people look the same, right? same idea

1007
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:51,597
where you might have like a species per
se but then there's sort of like subsets

1008
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,077
right >> now

1009
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,797
is there a theory or is there
information based on where these things

1010
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,877
are from and that there different ones

1011
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:01,917
are from different places

1012
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,957
>> there is but I never got access to that

1013
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,237
and even if the information was once

1014
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,317
again how would you like um confirm that

1015
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,277
as a skeptical former uh human intg ence

1016
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,317
officer, you have some sort of NHI
communicating to you, oh, I'm from star

1017
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,637
system X, Y, and Z. Right? >> Cool.
Is that denial and deception, you

1018
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,717
know, activities? Are you misdirecting?

1019
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,117
You're from somewhere else. So, >> uh,
even if they said they told us, how

1020
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,717
would you verify that? I mean, there's

1021
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,637
certainly obviously ways

1022
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:38,317
>> and but some of it seems once again

1023
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,997
extraterrestrial is part of the pie
here, right? There's a, you know,

1024
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,597
there's ultraterrestrial and other

1025
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,637
things. And I it does seem like a lot of

1026
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:51,037
it's been here for a while and also

1027
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:56,397
seems so similar to us that I have
questions. And once again, this isn't

1028
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:57,837
rhetorical. I don't know the answer.

1029
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,237
It's like, well, is this bio-engineered?

1030
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,597
Is this uh a break from our tree? Is

1031
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,837
this um some sort of other technology?

1032
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,837
Uh like chameleon type technology,
if you will. I don't I don't know the

1033
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,517
answer to that. So I I think that's >>
what are the prevailing theories amongst

1034
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,037
the people that are
working on this though.

1035
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,677
>> Yeah. So >> like do they have
answers or do they just have theories?

1036
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,437
>> I am not certain of that because I do

1037
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,237
not have that level of knowledge and as

1038
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,037
the government rolls that out I'm happy

1039
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,837
to you know parse that with the American

1040
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,797
people in public and kind of explain
my opinion on things as gaps and

1041
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,237
information for myself is filled
in because I'm not omnipotent. I didn't

1042
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,317
have full access and I only know what
I know. And that's why I've I've treated

1043
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,637
this with such reverence because even
me going public, I'm like, I don't

1044
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,677
know what this is going to trigger
besides my own personal safety, which

1045
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,917
clearly I was under duress and and I had
to even resign my Air Force Commission.

1046
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,677
Didn't even fully retire and I'm trying
to get that fixed. I, you know, filed

1047
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:04,637
something with the Air Force board
a year ago so I can actually retire and

1048
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,237
have my benefits because I, you know, I

1049
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:07,437
miss my promotional lieutenant colonel

1050
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:12,557
and other stuff. But um I digress. But

1051
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,157
certainly

1052
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,357
there is such similarity that there was

1053
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,757
a concern and uh from a genomic
perspective and there was work on that

1054
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,717
to compare genomes. Unfortunately,
I don't know the answer to that and what

1055
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,477
they found out >> work
to compare genomes from biological

1056
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,837
samples. >> Uh yeah,
dead cadaavvers. Yeah.

1057
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,397
>> So that's real. >> Oh, 100%. Yeah.

1058
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,037
>> So there are >> Oh yeah,
I know that for sure. you. How

1059
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,957
do you know that for sure? >> I got
to see the audio visual on that side.

1060
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,557
>> You got to see what? >> Yeah.
So, I got to be a little vague

1061
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,557
only because I want to protect
the sources because it may indicate a

1062
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,877
specific activity or operation and these

1063
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,997
people were very patriotic and um they

1064
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:59,357
were just dead cadaavvers in you know
on the ground because it was a retrieval

1065
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,717
activity. Yeah. >> You saw them
physically or you saw video of them?

1066
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,037
>> Video. >> Video. >> Yeah.
So you saw a dead cadaavver that

1067
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,397
was at a crash. >> Yes.

1068
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,197
>> So they filmed the crash
and they filmed these cadaavvers.

1069
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,957
>> Yeah. >> How old is this footage?

1070
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,397
>> Uh I don't want to say. Okay.

1071
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,157
>> It's contemporary,
but I >> It's contemporary.

1072
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,437
>> Yeah. But I don't want to reveal
a particular operation because it narrows

1073
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,557
it down. >> But it's clear.
It's not like you're

1074
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,037
looking 1950s black and white. It's

1075
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,037
clear. And do know, you know, when I get

1076
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,077
that kind of information, you know,
I'm like, okay, tell me what it is, what

1077
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,957
what happened, and then I put it out
for collection, so to speak, and then I

1078
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,037
confirm it independently because I
was very uh allergic to any kind of

1079
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,197
deception, right? Like in the in the

1080
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,597
advent of AI, Sora AI, you can you can

1081
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,157
create a very realistic and so I was

1082
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,517
very anal retentive when I was given

1083
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,157
documents, audiovisisual, etc. And I sat

1084
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,717
on that stuff for like years until I
felt comfortable with that not being

1085
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:05,037
some sort of limited hangout
or deception activity. So yeah.

1086
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,677
>> What did it look like?
>> Human looking.

1087
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:12,077
>> How human? >> Very >> like
like looked like a human or looked

1088
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:17,117
similar to a human.
>> Very very beautiful. And

1089
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,117
>> beautiful. >> It and I I said

1090
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,477
>> what color was the skin?

1091
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,717
>> Uh bluish white
and super close. No, no,

1092
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,677
no, no, no. It like >>
like someone who drowned

1093
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:32,237
>> like a pale sort of albino and >>
and it's interesting and I said this in

1094
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,877
another interview that's not out yet,
but and and God willing this is my last

1095
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,477
interview for a while hopefully
in pre-disclosure environment, you know,

1096
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:45,357
and uh General McCaslin when he
was talking to Dong and this is public

1097
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,757
record. Tom's talked about it on I think
your show and other interviews where he

1098
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:51,757
always told Tom think of the Greek gods

1099
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:56,797
and and Oh, true. you look it up and and
now I kind of understand what he meant.

1100
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,637
But General McCaslin, who disappeared
within a week of Trump giving the the

1101
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,197
declassification order on UAP in

1102
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,117
February 2026, there's a lot of reasons

1103
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,477
why uh Mccasin's disappearance uh

1104
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,197
>> disappeared. Um he walked out of his

1105
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,197
residence in Albuquerque and vanished.

1106
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,517
>> Oh, that's right. That guy. Yeah.

1107
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:20,477
>> Yeah. And nobody knows. And I, you
know, I have a relationship obviously with

1108
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:25,357
Justice and nobody knows
what happened to the guy.

1109
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,637
>> And he like he left home so he
couldn't be tracked. I think his phone

1110
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:33,917
was left but you know one of his firearms
was missing. It's like very weird. So

1111
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,437
>> Right. He left without his phone.

1112
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,077
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. That was one
of the weird parts about it.

1113
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,957
>> Yeah. And and once
again he was going on

1114
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,797
a trip with like 18 of his friends. He

1115
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,117
went to REI the day before to get like a

1116
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,877
medical kit and other supplies and I

1117
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,477
mean obviously his wife's
discussion about him the body cam

1118
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,837
footage is public and you know he had

1119
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,477
some mental health issues nothing major

1120
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:03,597
and and um some aging type issues but

1121
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,637
she didn't think you know he was going
to like kill himself or whatever. So, I

1122
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,237
mean, you never know. And I've had
friends unfortunately uh pass away

1123
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,397
through suicide in the military, but

1124
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,957
it's very bizarre and it's when within a

1125
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:19,517
week of Trump that coming out and um
>> just say I know a lot about General

1126
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,677
McCass. >> Well,
there's quite a few scientists

1127
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,957
that were connected to UF UAP disclosure

1128
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:29,277
or UAP potential back engineering
projects or mysterious projects

1129
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,997
>> possibly. I think >> do
you think there was more like

1130
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,597
>> to be fair was a little overblown
and I don't think there was a ton of

1131
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,677
correlation like one was like a female
that worked at Air Force Research Lab

1132
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,277
when Macccasin was a commander. I think
that was one of Well, I mean there's a

1133
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,677
lot of people that work at Air Force
Research Lab. That doesn't mean it's

1134
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,637
necessarily related to the topic.
I the only one

1135
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,397
>> didn't she have did didn't that one
particular lady if it's the same person

1136
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,557
didn't she have some sort of research
that was on material science?

1137
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,237
>> That sounds correct. I'm not totally

1138
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,317
conversant on all the people that

1139
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,997
disappeared. The only one besides Maslin

1140
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,597
that was very concerning to me was my

1141
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,797
Air Force friend that um died

1142
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:15,997
mysteriously about two years ago.
And it's an open investigation, so I won't

1143
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,357
get into all the gory detail of my

1144
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,397
assessments. Um it I mean it's binary.

1145
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,357
It's either a very tragic thing, either

1146
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,357
self harm or otherwise, or it was

1147
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,197
something else. and my friend uh his

1148
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,797
name's Matthew Sullivan calls sign
quake in the air force him and I were on

1149
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,197
active duty together uh he was on the

1150
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,517
program and he was uh one of my sources

1151
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,277
and I and I once again I don't name
people but like he unfortunately has

1152
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,837
passed so I want to make that clear >>
this video do you think this will be a

1153
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,757
part of disclosure that we'll get
to see this video of these dead bodies

1154
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:56,717
>> probably so there's
a there's a lot audiovisisual

1155
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,997
stuff. The problem with the the with the
the current climate, like you're going

1156
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,277
to have to wheel out the physical
evidence, too, cuz people are the trust

1157
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,877
in government is so low right now. Like
you you could show a video, but people

1158
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,157
are going to be like, "Oh, well
that's just the US government with us,

1159
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:14,637
and you're going to have to >>
curate a wheel out literally like, you

1160
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,157
know, put it in the Uvar Hazy Center,

1161
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,317
the Smithsonian, and then give the

1162
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,317
biological samples to Eric Weinstein,

1163
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,397
who I know he wants it." And >> why
would you give it to him? Well, he

1164
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,637
says he has people that test it.
Um, >> I have people that test it, too.

1165
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,437
>> Yeah, but give it to me.
>> I'm just I'm just saying that

1166
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,597
>> it's all ridiculous and give it to who?

1167
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:40,557
There should be a way that human beings
uh other than the government can look at

1168
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,757
this stuff. >> Well, there needs
to be an independent process. Yeah.

1169
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:49,437
>> Right now, is this stuff >> So,
this is contemporary this this dead

1170
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:50,717
body thing.

1171
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,557
>> And so, this is a fairly recent crash.

1172
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,397
>> Mhm. And did these things have all the

1173
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,677
characteristics of a human being?
Did they have ears? And

1174
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:06,637
>> as far as I could recall, and it wasn't
like all they have close up. Oh, yeah.

1175
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,477
>> They had hair. What color was the hair?

1176
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,437
>> It was like grayish
and all that. It was

1177
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:16,957
The problem is I don't give the nature
of the the video. It wasn't super close

1178
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,877
up. It was like, >> of course not >>
during the operation. So, it's not like

1179
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,877
>> during the operation of retrieval.

1180
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,517
>> Yeah. Okay.
And then they they had these

1181
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,917
things. So what is your understanding of

1182
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,637
what happens to these bodies?
>> Oh, they're kept for analysis. And

1183
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,157
>> how do they keep them?
They freeze them.

1184
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,877
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah.
I don't know the exact process.

1185
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:42,397
I'm not a biologist, but they do put it
in some sort of preservation status. So

1186
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,277
>> Huh. >> Yeah.
>> So was that the most compelling thing

1187
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,117
you saw?

1188
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,317
Yes, because you know it couples with

1189
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,797
you know both the the craft and the
alleged you know occupants and you there

1190
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,997
was some other stuff in that in that
area that I got to be careful talking

1191
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:02,397
about because it's so specific that it'll
easily ID the you know the patriot

1192
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:06,877
that helped me on that.
>> Um and once again I want the public to

1193
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,117
see all this stuff and I you don't take
my word for it. Plead with the president

1194
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,117
to make sure this comes out. He's really
courageous to do so and I just I hope

1195
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,597
this all comes out. >> When you
say contemporary, you mean last

1196
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,717
20 years, more recent?
>> I don't even want to characterize it,

1197
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,637
but it's it's contemporary.

1198
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,557
>> And when you say Greek gods, like do

1199
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,997
these these creatures actually look like

1200
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,877
something special, like not just like a

1201
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,477
regular person. You said beautiful.

1202
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,157
>> Yeah. Just very oddly it and it's
been a while and but I'm just trying to

1203
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,877
visualize in my mind. It was just
very very beautiful. It was just

1204
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,557
>> Were they wearing an outfit?

1205
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,597
>> Uh, it looked like it like some kind
of form fitting thing, but I didn't get a

1206
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,317
good look at it. >> Spandex?
>> I don't know. I didn't get a good look

1207
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,317
at it, honestly. >> You didn't?

1208
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,477
>> No. I mean, it was like a a pan. So,
>> okay. So, they didn't even focus on the

1209
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,877
bodies. They just like, "Oh, there's
a body of there." You know, people had a

1210
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,117
job to do, >> right?
Did you worry that that that's a

1211
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,797
scop that you're being shown something
that's horseshit? Well, like I said, I

1212
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,717
was very careful with that and confirmed
it through other sources and methods to

1213
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,717
make sure it wasn't some sort of hangout
from some government element trying to

1214
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,637
sway me one way or the other.
And >> so, you independently verified that

1215
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,437
there was an event. >> Yeah, I did.

1216
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,557
>> Okay. And then there's footage
of this event. And in this footage of this

1217
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,237
event, how many bodies were there?

1218
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,877
>> I think three or four is what I saw.
I don't know what the total was.

1219
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,957
>> Did they have gender? >> Um,
looked amorphous to me, but once

1220
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:32,797
again, it was a pan. Really? It wasn't.

1221
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,477
Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Long hair, short hair, >> long.

1222
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,717
>> All of them. >> Yeah. >> Hm.

1223
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,157
>> That I could recall. Yeah.
>> The Greek gods thing is very weird.

1224
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,797
>> It's weird. And >> it's
a weird comparison. Like you stop

1225
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,637
and think about that. Yeah. Well,
why were the Greek gods >> so beautiful?

1226
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,397
>> It's funny you say
that cuz like I think

1227
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,637
about like breakaway human.
I mean, once again, I'm just I'm just

1228
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,237
>> or maybe even an original
civilization that existed before.

1229
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:03,117
>> Yeah. There's more people are leaning
in that direction when they start looking

1230
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,317
at some of the stuff that's underneath
the pyramids and some of the weird

1231
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,197
structures that they're finding all
over the earth. Like how how are these

1232
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,197
things? We had a whole podcast yesterday
about it. It's like how are these things

1233
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:14,957
made? Who made these things? Like what?

1234
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,677
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
obviously I I follow

1235
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,677
Graham Hancock and Randle Carlson just,

1236
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,037
you know, casually and

1237
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:25,597
>> and I do have um not fears, but uh you

1238
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,277
know, I have questions about some sort
of breakaway human civilization and that

1239
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:33,277
explains some of this or it's
bio-engineered because like for them to

1240
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,997
develop naturally say off planet say

1241
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:41,277
it's extraterrestrial that it looks
almost dead ringer like us like that

1242
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,837
doesn't make any sense to me.
>> Well, does it make sense? If we're

1243
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:48,317
engineered, then it makes sense. So, >>
that is that is certainly a possibility.

1244
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,477
You know, I have
questions about that, too.

1245
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:54,797
>> This is a this is what Bob Lazar
believes. I had a long conversation with

1246
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:59,517
him about that. He thinks that human
beings are a product of genetic some

1247
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,517
sort of manipulation.

1248
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,957
>> And I think hypothetically, if that

1249
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,957
ended up being verified in some way,
shape, or form, you know, how how does

1250
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,757
that change humanity? What does it mean
to be human? And I I think there's a lot

1251
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:16,077
of deep human sovereignty and other
questions uh on that if that ends up

1252
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:17,997
being the case. >> Well,
it gets weird because we're

1253
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,557
willing to believe that an omnipotent

1254
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,917
god created us out of nothing. That's

1255
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,397
cool. But the idea that we were visited

1256
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:29,917
by what's essentially almost godlike in

1257
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,757
their powers and abilities,
some creature from somewhere else or some

1258
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,197
being, some super hyper intelligent
being from somewhere else

1259
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:41,757
>> and they manipulated us. That bothers
us. I know. And I weird. My biggest

1260
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,277
regret was not getting access to like
the biological assessment reports and

1261
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,637
stuff like that. I was getting enough
spears thrown my way and I was, you

1262
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,317
know, in literal danger. So,
I unfortunately wasn't able to kind of,

1263
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,037
you know, um, get access to that stuff.

1264
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,997
>> Have you talked to anybody
who did get access to it?

1265
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,477
>> Um, not on that side
of the program in terms

1266
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:07,597
of like the scientists analyzing
the bodies. No. I just I know people that

1267
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:11,597
are good friends of mine that were
on retrievalss and saw them as well in

1268
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,717
person. And once again, I'm like
comparing like did did you it look like

1269
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,037
this? It look like this? Did this happen?
Was it this type of craft?

1270
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,357
>> Do they vary in terms of what they saw?

1271
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:25,517
>> Yes. And uh some of my colleagues
saw them alive as well.

1272
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,797
>> Yeah. >> What did they see alive?
Like the Greek god looking ones?

1273
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,837
>> Uh no. Uh it's

1274
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:36,397
the pop culture. I can't believe I want
to talk about this. Uh the pop culture

1275
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,957
>> uh reptilian looking >> reptilian

1276
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,557
>> the the grays yes
as well those are real

1277
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,877
once again the aerial school phenomenon
in 1994 very well documented mass

1278
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,037
sighting what does it >> is that Zimbabwe

1279
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,237
>> yeah near a uranium mine

1280
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:56,717
>> and they saw small gray beings coming
out of a lenticular disc craft once

1281
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,797
again this is why it's almost like not
that shocking it's like yeah they look

1282
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:05,117
like that no >> well that story
has been going on for a

1283
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,597
long time and that iconic. The problem

1284
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,717
with like iconic imagery is that now you

1285
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,957
have it in your head what to expect
and like that was like from the movie

1286
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,717
Contact. Remember the movie Contact?

1287
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,157
Like it showed itself. >> Great movie.
Great movie. I know my boy

1288
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:21,917
Amomar, I got him hooked on that movie.

1289
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,597
He watches it like every quarter.

1290
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,197
>> It's a phenomenal movie.

1291
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,357
>> But there's a scene in the movie where

1292
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:33,277
the alien shows itself as Jodie Foster's
dad. I know because it's something that

1293
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,557
she can handle >> and that's
what it's funny you say that

1294
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,677
that's what if they're bio-engineered
then that makes sense because of that

1295
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:44,877
ease of contact ease of communication also
less onlogically shocking it's familiar

1296
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,957
>> right >> and and I
think as this rolls out I

1297
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,317
think the American people need to think
about like okay well if you know I'm

1298
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,997
presented with this reality how would
I react you know I I just think of them

1299
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,117
personally as like it's like my West
Virginia cousins you know it's like

1300
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,677
different part of the family you
But but I'm cool with them. And uh

1301
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,117
>> that's a >> I'll I'll
chill with them, you know,

1302
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:11,357
whatever. And hey, I'm a nerd. Like
do you know how bad I want to just like

1303
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:13,357
hang out with them? >> Oh yeah, me too.

1304
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:18,477
>> Like not that I have like uh personal
bias for President Trump to do this, but

1305
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,957
like just like any American,
I like I want to know more.

1306
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:22,797
>> Of course, >> I want
to meet them. I want to

1307
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,957
communicate. Well, I think it's just

1308
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:29,917
it's wrong for some people to have
access to this information because this

1309
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,677
I think this is different than any
other kind of secret information.

1310
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,317
>> I think it's weight
and its significance

1311
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,317
and impact on the human race in general.

1312
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,237
I I mean I demand I I want we should

1313
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,957
know you shouldn't there shouldn't be a

1314
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,077
group of unelected bureaucrats and

1315
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,077
defense contractors that have access
to this stuff and the general public

1316
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:55,917
doesn't. So they have a completely

1317
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,477
different map of the world than we do.

1318
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:03,517
>> I know and I just think about
the unfortunate lies and how society has

1319
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,477
progressed over the last several decades
and where we could have been if this was

1320
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,877
handled back in the ' 50s60s and 70s.

1321
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,077
Right. And once again, it shouldn't even
be me doing this. Like, I saw a little

1322
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,237
bit of crazy I learned some stuff.

1323
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,757
I met with some of the most senior
people in government to confirm all

1324
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,197
this, you know, at the highest highest

1325
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:23,997
highest level. And um it's me like I'm

1326
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:25,917
just a dude like I'm I was a, you know,

1327
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,877
major in the Air Force and, you know,

1328
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:33,597
mid-level senior civilian
in the IC. But unfortunately,

1329
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:38,157
I got stuck with this and it wouldn't
have happened unless this small crew,

1330
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,917
you know, honestly pushed me over
the edge and, you know, I I was in

1331
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,637
unbelievable duress and I
ended up having to go public. So

1332
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,397
>> So tell me more about these reptilians
that your friend encountered. They were

1333
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:52,237
alive. >> Yeah.
>> So they were alive post crash.

1334
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,557
>> Yes. >> Why do these things keep

1335
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:55,677
crashing?

1336
01:13:55,760 --> 01:14:01,197
>> So some of it is um NHI versus NHI.

1337
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,597
wides. >> Yeah, >> they war
in the skies. Isn't that in the

1338
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:09,917
>> You think it's like would they get
along? They're so advanced. But uh the

1339
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,797
we have records of them
around with each other.

1340
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:14,557
>> Is that in the Mahabarata or the

1341
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,637
Bavagita? There's there's like talk

1342
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,997
about sky wars in ancient Hindu text.

1343
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:21,677
>> Vid Oh yeah,
in the Vidic text, the blue

1344
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:26,797
people. And I know that's why you asked
blue. I don't recall them being that

1345
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,597
blue, but you know, right?
>> I got a short little look unlike

1346
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,477
>> Yeah, when they're
alive, they're darker.

1347
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:38,157
>> Well, that is true. There's like
a post-mortem change in their like people.

1348
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:39,117
That's what happens with people.

1349
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,237
>> That that is true cuz you know, as they

1350
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:46,477
were struggling and then died,
obviously their affect changed and So,

1351
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,197
>> this friend that encountered first of

1352
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:53,837
all the we'll go to the the Greek god
people first. Yeah. What did their craft

1353
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:59,117
look like? >> Uh, boomerang,
crescent moon, usually.

1354
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:00,797
Not all the time. It's kind of like once

1355
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,717
I go back, some people like to drive the

1356
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,797
Porsche 911. Uh, that tends to be not

1357
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,877
all the time, but uh that's
what they like to roll up in.

1358
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,837
>> They they they talk about
them as the tall whites.

1359
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,477
>> Yeah. >> You hear that?
Were they tall? Were they large?

1360
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,597
>> They look tall to me. I didn't
have >> hard to tell because you don't

1361
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,517
>> I didn't have
a ground reference really.

1362
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:26,237
I would say at least
human size. They could be

1363
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:27,277
>> very similar to human size.

1364
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:32,557
>> Yeah, they could be my big ass is 66,
but like the >> they looked big um

1365
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:36,157
>> similar to humans, >> I think.
So, and there might be taller

1366
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:40,157
once again. I'm sure there's other stuff
I don't know about. I'm sure there's

1367
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:44,797
other variants of them too that look
more towards like the classic um

1368
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:49,037
>> what is it in eufology?
like Nordic or, you know, tall whites

1369
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,357
>> and that are probably even taller. If

1370
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:54,557
some of those uh experiences are true,

1371
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:59,677
which once again, as long as that source
is credible, that might be a thing. So,

1372
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,757
I think we need to be prepared to kind
of >> that being a thing. I don't know.

1373
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,757
>> Yeah, that makes sense. >> Now,
the reptilian craft, what did that

1374
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:12,637
thing look like? >> Uh,
that one is tic tac looking.

1375
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,277
>> Uhoh. >> Yeah.
>> I was hoping they were the cool ones.

1376
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,917
Yeah. The reptilian ones are
the ones that everyone's terrified of.

1377
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,557
>> Yeah. And and once again, like we're
we're doing like and of course it's not

1378
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,677
always a tic tac. Once again, kind of like
what I said, but like that tends to

1379
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,637
be them. >> Um from what
I understand, obviously,

1380
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:33,517
hopefully I'm not wrong, but I'm,
you know, pretty good sourcing on that.

1381
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,877
>> When you see like um malevolent
behavior, right, it's like, well, that's

1382
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,517
a humanistic lens. You're seeing like a

1383
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,997
animal lash out in captiv captivity kind
of thing. Or they're in duress. they're

1384
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:48,317
having an emotional experience, etc.
And it's like, you know, are they actually

1385
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:51,677
scary or is it just because of the
situations we've been in with them? And

1386
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,517
so what kind of bias and and all that?

1387
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,837
So, >> of course. >> Yeah. >> And so
these reptilians, what did they look like?

1388
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,837
>> Now, I've never seen them in person.

1389
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:01,117
Your friend described as

1390
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,877
>> it's like very almost like um 7 foot

1391
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,877
tall plus uh sort of gorilla looking skin.

1392
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,277
>> Gorilla looking, scaly skin though,

1393
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,197
reptile gorillas. But there's multiple

1394
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:17,197
types. There's ones that are are more

1395
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,797
humanoid looking. So >> there's
multiple types of reptilians.

1396
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,557
>> Yeah. And I'm not
an expert on that one.

1397
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,397
That's once again I never saw it in

1398
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:27,357
person to get the exact uh you know.

1399
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:30,637
>> See if there's a artist rendition.

1400
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,557
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Chris you are.

1401
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:37,677
>> Yeah. And once again it it sounds
it sounds so skitso like even for me

1402
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,797
>> gorilla with scales. >> Ex deep
state intel officer. I'm like, I

1403
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,837
cannot believe I'm talking
about this on Joe Rogan.

1404
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,757
>> Scare scaly gorilla. >> I know.
And I mean, it sounds skitso.

1405
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,357
And it's like coming from somebody
like me, you know, who, you know, is a

1406
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:54,157
credible person and has been
in government. It's like,

1407
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,597
>> I'm going to be that guy. I'm going to
be that guy. And then like down the road

1408
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:01,917
people will review Joe Rogan and he's
like that We thought he was crazy, but

1409
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:03,597
>> what do you know? You know, it's true.

1410
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,117
Well, of course, if there are things
from somewhere else, you're going to

1411
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,477
sound crazy describing any of >>
because it's it's so outside my

1412
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:15,117
experience because I never had some kind
of woo thing growing up or some sort of

1413
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:17,277
interaction with the phenomenon. So, it

1414
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,397
it it it feels so outside my personal

1415
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:24,877
comfort level and experience because um
I'm relying on the personal experience

1416
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,717
of others, you know, audio visual stuff
and it still feels like I'm watching a

1417
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,837
movie. Like, it's like is that is it real?
I mean, I know it is, but like

1418
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,357
it's I have a cognitive dissonance
a little bit, you know? So,

1419
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:38,397
>> and how were you able to watch
this video? Do they have to put you into a

1420
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:41,437
secret room? >> Yeah,
I won't get into the exact way it

1421
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,077
went down, but uh uh we'll just say it

1422
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:48,317
was uh kind of sketchy, but it to keep

1423
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:53,197
everybody safe. So, >> and so
there apparently is NHI versus

1424
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,957
NHI warfare. >> We've
we've documented that.

1425
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,117
>> Documented it >> in collection.

1426
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:03,597
what we perceive as warfare.
So, unless it's something conflict,

1427
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,877
>> yeah, it looks like conflict. It smells
like conflict. Is it some other kind of

1428
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:08,157
weird I don't know. And there's

1429
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:09,917
maybe an assessment on that. But,

1430
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,077
>> and um when this reptilian craft

1431
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,757
crashed, the assumption was that it
was some sort of conflict because I would

1432
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,397
imagine, >> correct, >> that they're
the ones you'd have to worry about

1433
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:23,997
>> cuz there was dead
uh dead grays there, too.

1434
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,637
>> Oh, yeah. So, >> so
the grays and the reptilians were

1435
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:31,197
duking it out. >> Yeah.
I guess I guess you know you know

1436
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,717
I know the people who were there
and >> this sounds insane Dave. It

1437
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,237
sounds crazy. And and once again,
I don't want to get in too many

1438
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,197
specifics cuz this is a very unique

1439
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:45,517
>> There's a couple unique retrievals out
there that to protect the innocents and

1440
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,757
people that have risked their lives
cuz a lot of the people that

1441
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,677
>> uh came to me with that kind
of information. I mean, they were

1442
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,917
physically threatened like me and and all
that and and so like me going public

1443
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,517
was taking it for the team because I
was able to create this umbrella of uh

1444
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,797
tacet, you know, protection
in case somebody got with. And

1445
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,917
unfortunately, you know, my my friend
Matt, who knows what happened to him,

1446
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,517
but um you know, tragically he died, you

1447
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,197
know, mysteriously. So >> now
these reptilians, what was their

1448
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:17,277
craft like? >> Oh, like I said,
the tic tac tic tac stuff.

1449
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:21,117
>> And was their craft crashed
into the ground, like broken up?

1450
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,437
>> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> It was like wedged into

1451
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,197
>> like had it been hit with something?

1452
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,997
>> Um I don't remember exactly what

1453
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,077
happened in that regard, but it did

1454
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,797
crash. So, and I don't want to misspeak

1455
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:37,917
on what exactly happened. So,
>> and how many times has this happened if

1456
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,757
you had a guess? >> I don't
know the total number of like uh

1457
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:47,837
adversarial conflict crashes, but I mean
it seems to be at least a dozen or two.

1458
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,117
I don't know. >> So,
at least a dozen or two adversarial

1459
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:56,317
crashes. And then there's
the high alitude nuclear tests,

1460
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:57,997
>> right? You're aware of those, right?

1461
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,197
>> Mhm. >> Okay. So, there's been a lot of

1462
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,357
speculation that during those high

1463
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:07,037
alitude nuclear tests that crafts that

1464
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,797
didn't know it was coming got rocked.

1465
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,397
Do you know anything about that?

1466
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:15,757
>> That's an area that I'll let
the government handle. That's because it

1467
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,477
gets into vulnerabilities and and and

1468
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:23,037
what the US has figured out. So, that
just gets a sensitive area, but that's

1469
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,837
something I'm sure that'll
come out in this process because

1470
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,037
>> So, you can't talk about that. Is that
what you're saying? because it gets into

1471
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,397
um US capabilities and what
we figured out in terms of uh

1472
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:34,477
>> Well, this is all
like from the 50s, right?

1473
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:39,117
>> Yeah. But we still got nukes and we
still got those kind of weapons, you know,

1474
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,557
>> away. So, >> you're aware of those um

1475
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,437
it was uh what what was it, Jamie? Was

1476
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,797
it um a telescope that they were t they

1477
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:54,077
they were taking photographs of the stars
and they were doing it with uh do

1478
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,357
you know what I'm talking about? all
the little dots popped up thing that Yeah,

1479
01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:59,757
that's like two or three weeks ago,
>> right? We talked about that a couple

1480
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,917
weeks ago. It was an observatory and the

1481
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,277
observatory has these old plates of

1482
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,597
images that they took of the sky.

1483
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:11,197
>> Oh, is this Beatatric's
work, the Vasco?

1484
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,517
>> Yes. >> Um yeah,
I read it. Very interesting.

1485
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:17,037
And um >> it's hard to make
an exact conclusion if

1486
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:21,917
if it's UAP, but it's really great
original scholarship and I applaud her

1487
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,917
for for doing that. But there appeared

1488
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,957
to be moving uh reflective things that

1489
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:33,037
were outside of our atmosphere that they
were taking images of. They were not

1490
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,917
static. They were not >> starutnik too.
That was the important thing.

1491
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,917
>> Pribut very important because there
was no satellites at the time. This was

1492
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:44,317
images that they took of the sky that
showed things that were reflective that

1493
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,877
seemed to be metallic allegedly. And if
I remember her paper correctly with her

1494
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,117
co-authors, it also there were cluster

1495
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:52,957
concentrations over sensitive nuclear

1496
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:57,997
facilities and nuclear testing um uh uh

1497
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,437
chronological temporal
correlation as well.

1498
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,677
>> So data shows unidentified lights in

1499
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:09,117
archival astronomy images were 68% more
likely to be imaged 24 hours after a

1500
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,277
nuclear weapons test.
>> Like I was saying, yeah,

1501
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:16,237
>> right. So this is chronologically
like we have these nuclear weapons tests

1502
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,397
including these high altitude detonations
like oper operation starfish prime.

1503
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:23,517
>> Yeah. >> We detonate
these things and then all of

1504
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:28,317
a sudden these craft start showing
up like hey what are these crazy

1505
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,717
monkeys up to? >> It does seem
like there was a heightened

1506
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,077
amount of activity once we started
testing nuclear weapons. Oh yeah.

1507
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,517
>> Obviously this phenomenon is old. It's
interacted with man and antiquity. You

1508
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:41,517
know Jacques Valet's scholarship
on that passport meonia that. Yeah,

1509
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,917
>> that's why the names
of our rooms at the

1510
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,677
comedy club are Fat Man and Little Boy.

1511
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:49,437
>> Oh, nice. Yeah, because that's what
ushered because it's the comedy mother

1512
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,557
ship. It's a UFOs based. The >> Yeah,
if you go to the Air Force Museum,

1513
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,157
um they have the the Anola Gay
there, I think. Is that right?

1514
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:57,917
>> It's one of the planes. >> Oh, wow.

1515
01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:59,677
>> My alma mater
is going to crucify me for

1516
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,957
getting that Air Force history wrong
at the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio.

1517
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,037
But >> Wow. >> It's pretty cool.
They have a mockup of

1518
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:09,437
the the little boy and fat man bombs,
so you can see how big they were. You're

1519
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,117
like, "Holy that was big."
>> One of the things that Lazar said is

1520
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:17,757
that one of the objects they were
working with was very old. And he said

1521
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:22,077
that they had somehow that it it
was told to him that it was retrieved from

1522
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,317
an archaeological dig.

1523
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:29,117
>> I don't know about his specific
story and his exposure, but uh the

1524
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,837
archaeological thing
that that is a thing. Yeah.

1525
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,717
>> Are you aware
of the labyrinth at Hawara

1526
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:39,197
in Egypt? >> No. What is that? Okay. So,

1527
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:40,637
>> is that the one
where there's a metallic

1528
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:44,877
object that they they but but the what's
his face won't let people go in it from

1529
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,357
the Egyptian? >> Well,
it's it's complicated. It's a

1530
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:50,877
little more complicated than won't let
them, but there's definitely resistance

1531
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,597
to it. >> So, these labyrinths, this this

1532
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,997
incredible compound that's underground

1533
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,237
was documented by Heroditus and he said

1534
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,037
it was greater than Giza. He said it was

1535
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,277
much more spectacular construction. Wow.

1536
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,437
So now they know from ground penetrating

1537
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,077
radar that these these cavities in the

1538
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,517
ground, these symmetrical rooms exist.

1539
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,437
They know where they are and they know

1540
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,437
why they're flooded. So they're flooded

1541
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:21,117
because during the 1960s they built
a dam to divert water for agriculture. And

1542
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,717
when they did, they changed the water
table and it flooded this labyrinth

1543
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,837
area. And when they used this ground pen

1544
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:31,997
penetrating radar and um I think it's
radio tomography and a bunch of other

1545
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:33,357
different ways of

1546
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:35,917
>> one of the things they found was a 40 m

1547
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:40,077
long metallic object that's in some sort

1548
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,717
of is it

1549
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:47,597
>> is it in an atrium like it's
in some sort of a large room.

1550
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:51,117
>> I've heard of I've seen a video about
this. You're you're recalling some stuff

1551
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,037
I've seen just casually online. Like

1552
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,797
just imagine if that's what that is.

1553
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:00,157
>> It's like it's like the movie
Stargate with with Kurt Russell.

1554
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,477
>> If these people had
been worshiping this

1555
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,197
craft and so much so that they built

1556
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,277
this incredible temple and put it in the

1557
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,157
center of their temple. It's a 40 m long

1558
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:14,157
metallic object and the metal apparently

1559
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:18,397
is of unknown origin. Like they
don't know what the metal is. It's not

1560
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:22,877
registering as copper. It's not
registering as steel or or or iron

1561
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:24,877
rather. They don't know what it is.

1562
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,877
>> Interesting. Interesting.
>> Yeah. It's weird.

1563
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:32,317
>> Yeah. I mean, I'm I won't be surprised
if some ancient civilizations were

1564
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,637
essentially cargo cults, you know, for

1565
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,517
these visitors. I mean, that is most

1566
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,077
likely true in many cases, not all. And

1567
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:45,037
of course, that gets into theological
areas that are touchy, but I I do think

1568
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:45,917
that that's probably the case.

1569
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,077
>> The central object is hard to classify.

1570
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:50,077
It appears metallic, not stone or wood.

1571
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,877
I named it Dippy after the giant dip

1572
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,477
diplotica skeleton in the hint hinty

1573
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,637
hall of London's natural history museum.

1574
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:03,437
It could be anything. Its shape
resembles those tic-tac hard mints. It

1575
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,437
might also be an upright disc or even a

1576
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,077
colossal shen ring. The ancient Egyptian

1577
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,877
symbol representing the eternal cycle of

1578
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,237
creation. The big job object alone big

1579
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:18,717
object alone rather raises profound
questions. How did it get there? Why is

1580
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,197
it there?

1581
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,717
So, show him some of the uh artistic

1582
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,197
recreations of what it looked like

1583
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:31,917
underneath the ground. So, this is all,
you know, like I said, Herodotus wrote

1584
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:36,317
about this thousands of years ago, but
now it's documented that these chambers

1585
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,477
and these pathways actually exist.

1586
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,837
>> And there had been people that had
studied at least the upper surface

1587
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,877
levels of it as recently
as like the 1800s.

1588
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:46,717
>> Interesting. >> Yeah.

1589
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,437
But that, you know, through all like a

1590
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:54,077
lot of Egypt, there's a water under Giza,
there's water under the pyramids,

1591
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,877
there's water under, >> you
know, a lot of that stuff is

1592
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,037
flooded. And so this is what it looked

1593
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:03,277
like. This is all underground.

1594
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:07,037
It's crazy because if this along

1595
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,837
with uh Filippo Beyond's work where it

1596
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:13,837
shows using that same uh satellite radio

1597
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,317
tomography that there's some sort of

1598
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:21,437
structure underneath the pyramids that
goes over a kilometer into the ground.

1599
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:25,197
>> Is there easy access or is it just
like a government denial? the antiquities

1600
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,677
bureau whatever they
call it in blocking it or

1601
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,877
>> I think there's been some progress in

1602
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:34,477
terms of allowing exploration and I

1603
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:38,397
don't know the extent of it but I know
that a lot of people are very hopeful

1604
01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:40,797
that that progress is is going to be

1605
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,877
achieved like they're opening up this

1606
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,837
research and look this would be a giant

1607
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,917
boom to their tourism industry oh yeah
I mean that's what they want I mean Egypt

1608
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,757
probably survives I don't know what
percentage of their economy in Giza is

1609
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,517
tourism But it has to be massive.

1610
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:59,757
>> Yeah. And you always hear interesting
stories. You know, I have an eclectic

1611
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,957
uh group of colleagues and you hear
interesting stories. Is it the Queen's

1612
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,957
Chamber? The the granite

1613
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,437
>> pill box and people
have had interesting

1614
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:11,757
experiences in there too.
And and uh >> well the king's chamber that

1615
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,557
sarcophagus. >> Yeah.
It's that like granite box, you

1616
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:16,957
know, talking perfectly cut granite box

1617
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,837
that also I think it mirrors the exact

1618
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,877
dimensions of the Ark of the Covenant.

1619
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:28,157
Interesting. That's That's crazy. But I
know people who've laid in it because

1620
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:31,997
they have to kind of pay the guard. It's
like off hours and they just have like a

1621
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:35,197
weird transcendental experience.
I mean, it's kind of woo.

1622
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,357
>> Once again, I've never
experienced something like that.

1623
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:40,717
>> Let me lie down there.
>> That's a thing. That's a thing. I I'll

1624
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,237
let you know who to talk to offline. Uh
>> how much do you think it cost to lay in

1625
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,557
the box? >> Maybe.
I don't know. Couple bucks.

1626
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:50,477
>> Egypt. 20 grand maybe. I don't >>
20 grand. Whoa. Yeah. 20 grand. You

1627
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:55,277
could like sleep there. Yeah. >> Yeah.
It's um it's very strange because

1628
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,397
the structures themselves are incredibly
strange. You know, the structures

1629
01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:02,877
themselves are so immense and so complex
and there the methods of construction

1630
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,797
are completely unknown and just the

1631
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:08,237
symmetry and the the the the precision

1632
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,717
of the engineering is beyond

1633
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,037
comprehension for people that lived at

1634
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:16,557
the very mo the very the most recent it

1635
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:20,477
could be is 4,500 years ago. And a lot
of these people think it's far older

1636
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,917
than that. And and we're finding
that I've been watching some of Graham

1637
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,077
Hancock's stuff.
You just look at these like

1638
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:29,917
>> megalithic architecture that's older
than you think. The stuff in Turkey and

1639
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:34,717
in the United States as well
in Ohio and and um >> Mississippi.

1640
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,557
>> Yeah. >> And it's like
and they're finding all

1641
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:40,717
these pyramid structures using synthetic
aperture radar. And I so I am casually

1642
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,477
following it and it it does seem like we
don't really even know our own history.

1643
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:49,197
And I think with all this coming out,
there's going to be a huge rew re uh

1644
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,397
writing of a lot of our ancient
and modern history. So,

1645
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:53,837
>> well, that's where
it gets really weird.

1646
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:58,797
Um, you know, uh, Rep. Paulina Luna
was on the podcast and >> Oh, yeah.

1647
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,997
>> She was talking to me
about the book of Enoch.

1648
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:05,277
>> I hadn't read it. She's like, "You have
to read it." And I've read it twice now.

1649
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:08,797
And I'm like, "What
in the are they talking about?"

1650
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:12,317
>> Like the book of Enoch, which was also
found with the Dead Sea Scrolls in

1651
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:17,437
>> Kuman. And it it refers to the watchers
who came down and and mated with

1652
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:22,077
daughters and created this race of giants.
And it's like what? Yeah. And

1653
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,677
you think is like now when you when all
this comes out was that actually literal

1654
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:29,917
and you and of course the Bible council
na was more of a political document

1655
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:33,437
before secular government and you know
they got together like what are all the

1656
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,997
different books that we can
agree upon that are good that are

1657
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:39,117
>> yeah what gets into the canon. And
that's the thing about the book of Enoch

1658
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:43,277
is that it was it was not put in there
because it didn't jive with the Torah.

1659
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:47,277
>> Correct. Yeah. >> Yes.
Which is like, okay, you

1660
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,877
Imagine if that was in the Bible. Like
if you go to church and you read about

1661
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,277
the Watchers. >> Well,
there's actually a lot of

1662
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,477
interesting stuff in the Bible. Like
obviously, and that's another thing like

1663
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,877
of course with um you know, I'm Catholic

1664
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,277
uh by growing up CCD confirmation did

1665
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:05,997
the whole thing as a kid. And you see
a lot of uh outspoken exorcists and other

1666
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,077
people right now saying, "Well, all this

1667
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:11,197
uh alien stuff is just diabolic

1668
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:15,597
deception and demons and you know,
all that kind of stuff." And and I and I

1669
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:19,437
respect that opinion and I do think
like what you perceive as a demon is a

1670
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:22,077
certain class of non-human or anomalous

1671
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:23,917
intelligence. And and that is certainly

1672
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,637
a thing, but the the whole ecosystem is

1673
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:30,157
not demonic. And but the Bible's

1674
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:31,997
interesting because once again it

1675
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,797
doesn't discuss about other life

1676
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,517
elsewhere like it doesn't talk about uh

1677
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:42,317
bacteria and viruses that those were
unseen. We cohabitated with bacteria and

1678
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:46,317
viruses until the invention of the
microscope whatever that was 1800s or or

1679
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,877
whatnot. But if you go into uh Leviticus

1680
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,677
and Deuteronomy, you will notice these

1681
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:56,317
like cleansing ritualistic stuff also
like, hey, you can't have your toilet

1682
01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:00,877
and your living area and all that. And if
you look in those books of the Bible,

1683
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:02,877
wait, that's like modern sanitization

1684
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,037
guidance. So, it's funny that like the

1685
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,997
Bible has encoded within it um kind of

1686
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:12,077
like best practices before man would
even understand what uh you know,

1687
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:16,317
viruses and bacteria are. And I just
find that that's very interesting based

1688
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,837
on when it was written. And it does
show that there was some sort of higher

1689
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,477
intelligence kind of influencing
the authorship. I just Yeah.

1690
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:26,477
>> Either that or in the civilization that

1691
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,997
was writing the Bible was a recreation
of civilization that had been destroyed

1692
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:34,237
in a cataclysm. >> Yeah. I mean >>
that I think that especially when you

1693
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:37,597
look at the pyramids, you look at some
of these other ancient structures like

1694
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:41,997
Lebanon, Ballback, they they they don't
make sense. And it seems to me that

1695
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:45,517
there was probably something super
sophisticated a long time ago and it got

1696
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,637
wiped out. And then what we get from

1697
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,917
these ancient texts is probably oral

1698
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:56,157
tradition passed on through hundreds if
not thousands of years and then people

1699
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:58,157
writing things down and people

1700
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:03,197
remembering these stories. I think one
of the weirdest uh books of the Bible is

1701
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:06,637
the book of Ezekiel. >> Yeah.
>> Because the book of Ezekiel is one all

1702
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:09,837
the UFO people turn to. >> Yeah,
of course. Because there's that

1703
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:14,717
the a great cloud with brightness around
it and fire flashing forth continually

1704
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:19,117
and in the midst of the fire as it were
gleaming metal and from the midst of the

1705
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,997
craft came the likeness
of four living creatures. Yeah.

1706
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:23,757
>> Like what? >> Yeah. Exactly.

1707
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:28,077
>> The creatures darted to and
fro like a flash of lightning.

1708
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:30,717
>> What? >> Exactly.
In the the mana machine, the

1709
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:34,957
cloud that followed the Israel wheel
within a wheel. There's there's weird

1710
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:39,517
in the book of Ezekiel. Like that
is a very very weird story. Like what

1711
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:43,757
are they describing? Yeah, >> it
sounds like a spaceship. It sounds

1712
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:48,157
like a ship comes down from the sky
with immense power, frightens everyone,

1713
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:51,837
freaks everyone out, and these
entities are inside the craft.

1714
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:56,317
>> Yeah. And I think a lot of it, once
again, they're interpreting it based on

1715
01:34:56,400 --> 01:35:00,157
their vernacular at the time, their
understanding. And I I remember I was at

1716
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:02,797
two years ago I was at Capitol Reef
National Park in Utah and there's

1717
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:07,517
petetroglyphs there and some of them
kind of look like aliens and and you're

1718
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:12,237
like well is that literally what they're
seeing? I perhaps and and I don't know

1719
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:16,477
the answer to that. That's not
my expertise. But I feel like a lot of the

1720
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:20,157
stuff in ancient tradition is literally
what they saw. It's not necessarily

1721
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:24,957
allegory or fable. Some of it may be
for for teaching lessons, but I have a

1722
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,997
feeling a lot of it was actually literal.
I have a feeling a lot of it

1723
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,037
was literal as well because most people

1724
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:35,117
>> first of all a couldn't
read and b couldn't write.

1725
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:40,157
>> And so writing fiction seems like
a fruitless pursuit. It seems like writing

1726
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:44,637
history so that you can remember what
happened at least a version of it that's

1727
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,357
palatable >> like ancient
sumeare and the Anunnaki

1728
01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:49,277
and all that and it's like well why did

1729
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,677
they make up that just for fun? They all

1730
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,877
had kooky stories about being visited.

1731
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:59,757
And you know, when you're telling me about
these things that look like Greek gods,

1732
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:03,837
>> that's how I described it. And that's
how clearly what what General McCaslin

1733
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,797
was hinting to Tom Dong.
And once again, I got, you know,

1734
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,477
>> well, doesn't it make sense that the
Greek gods did exist? Like, I mean, not

1735
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:14,717
not they did exist literally, but that
like when they talked about the Greek

1736
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:19,117
gods, they talked about them in this
manner looking like that. And then you

1737
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:22,557
actually find a craft
with these things that look

1738
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:26,237
>> which is like the concquistadors were
treated like that in the 1500s, right?

1739
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:28,957
>> Yeah. Right. >> Literally white

1740
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:33,677
>> Caucasian >> bearded.
Yeah. With horses. They rode

1741
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:35,837
horses. They couldn't figure out
what the was going on with that.

1742
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:38,957
>> Yeah. And I'm glad we talked about it.
I mean, I think that is probably the most

1743
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:42,317
uncomfortable stuff for me to talk about,
but it's also something that the

1744
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,037
public needs to wrap their mind around

1745
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:49,757
and understand that this is a thing
and kind of start processing that kind of

1746
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:52,157
reality. Well, >> as much
as it's coming from me, but I

1747
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:53,997
mean, the federal government,

1748
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:55,917
>> you know, if Trump
really is serious and

1749
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,757
Steven Miller, you know, u does his

1750
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:02,957
thing with this, I think all this all
this will come out in a hopefully

1751
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:07,357
responsible way. So >> there
they have a schedule that's based

1752
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:12,237
on the concept that people need to have
this information trickle slowly so that

1753
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:13,117
they can adjust.

1754
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:16,157
>> There was suggestions
in the past if the

1755
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:19,357
president did something. Um I am not

1756
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:22,797
aware at this point uh what the what the

1757
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,957
plan is in that regard right now though.

1758
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,997
But there is some sort of an idea that

1759
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:33,597
this should be trickled out. That this
shouldn't be like boom, here it is.

1760
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:35,837
Let's lay it out.
>> The president truly wants it out. And

1761
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:39,197
obviously Bob Bigalow met with the
president as well in February 26 before

1762
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,477
he made an announcement. And I mean
he told the president, hey, you need to

1763
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:47,517
admit that there's NHI and we've,
you know, recovered stuff and

1764
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:51,517
we're looking at it in a semiformal
announcement to start anesthetizing the

1765
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,797
public. And you can find that interview
online that Bob did. I think it was with

1766
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:59,837
George Knap on a >> on a podcast.
So, it it's not just

1767
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:02,797
myself advocating for this. There's
other people. I don't even know Bob

1768
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:07,837
Bigalow and, you know, he did us a solid
by pushing the president uh to help make

1769
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,637
that decision. I mean, there's a lot
of things that went on behind the scenes

1770
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,997
and, you know, I work in mysterious
ways and I I won't divulge certain

1771
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,157
relationships in certain rooms I've been

1772
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:20,477
in, but uh it took a village and uh you

1773
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:23,757
know, I'm proud that, you know, the time
I spent with Representative Burlson was

1774
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:28,077
very fruitful. We did a lot of stuff
behind the scenes and I think Burlson's

1775
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:31,677
going to go down as a very courageous
man and it's and I say that not just

1776
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:35,437
because he was my boss. I mean, he was
probably the most forward-leaning member

1777
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:39,117
of Congress on this issue. I mean,
Representative Luna did a great job, you

1778
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:43,517
know, Timbersh and and others, but,
you know, he actively was sending letters

1779
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,597
out. We made some of them public. That's

1780
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:47,917
how we got that Lincoln Labs formally

1781
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:50,557
classified 1952 film outs in the last

1782
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,597
trunch that just came out. And also, um,

1783
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:55,757
we've sent interrogatories, which are

1784
01:38:55,840 --> 01:39:00,637
legal questions and, you know,
that require an affidavit format response,

1785
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:02,717
uh, to different organizations. and it's

1786
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:07,917
public that we sent one uh this summer
to the the MITER Corporation which is a

1787
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:11,357
fedally funded research and development
center headquartered in uh Northern

1788
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:14,157
Virginia. So uh they clearly have a duty

1789
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,477
to respond. Their corporate council is

1790
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,837
working on it. Uh and obviously the you

1791
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:21,997
know I left but the hopefully Burlson's

1792
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,597
team is able to um push for a response

1793
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:29,677
in conjunction with whatever Steven
Miller and the pursuit team is working

1794
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:32,317
on too because they're probably going
to want to coordinate all that. So,

1795
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,237
>> so this guy that you communicated with

1796
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:39,517
that said he encountered um
living reptilians and dead grays.

1797
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:44,077
>> Yeah. >> Did they have
communication with these

1798
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:47,437
reptilians? >> I don't recall that.
No, I don't think so.

1799
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,997
>> So, what >> now?
Some people do get that kind of

1800
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:53,997
like that feeling and and I've talked
about that. I It was on Dr. Phil

1801
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:55,677
actually. There is some sort of

1802
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,317
consciousness communication. Call it

1803
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,277
telepathy. Hell if I know how it works,

1804
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:04,237
but it is a thing. And I know sober,

1805
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:09,037
high ranking people I've served a decade
and a half with in the government that

1806
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:12,557
were on these retrievalss that on occasion
that would happen or they would

1807
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:14,557
have like a feeling come over them.

1808
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:17,597
>> It's almost like I wonder this is like

1809
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:20,317
my own hypothesis and I would laugh if

1810
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:25,117
this is true, but that sometimes it's
like a positive feeling like um of

1811
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:29,597
comfort. I wonder if that's almost like
a countermeasure on the on the craft to

1812
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:32,077
prevent certain aggression or whatever.

1813
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:37,117
It's almost like how Air Force jets have
countermeasures on them, flare, chaff,

1814
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:40,237
you know, electronic countermeasures
as well, like jammers.

1815
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,117
>> And I wonder if some of that is

1816
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:47,517
psychotronic technology. Um, that's
just my hypothesis. I'm I don't have any

1817
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:49,917
secret knowledge, but >> why
did you come to that conclusion?

1818
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,997
>> Just because like um it
seems interesting. It's like an

1819
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:58,317
anesthetization technique
to reduce like the occupants

1820
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:03,517
risk of danger maybe. >> And it's
like a countermeasure. Oh, well

1821
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:06,797
like if you if you feel at peace, you're
not going to like roll up and you know

1822
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,357
do something bad. Yeah.
Exactly. Shoot aliens.

1823
01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:11,357
>> Yeah. >> Right.
So if you found them and they

1824
01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:15,197
were vulnerable, they could plate
you and calm you down with telepathy.

1825
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:16,877
>> It's like a countermeasure
system. I have a feel.

1826
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,597
>> Why would you think it's
that instead of just communication?

1827
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:23,197
>> Oh, it could be. I'm just saying
my other hypothesis in absent because

1828
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:27,357
sometimes they'll get that feeling
absent some sort of occupant.

1829
01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:28,557
>> Now, so that's why

1830
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:31,917
>> is there um a particular type of

1831
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:37,837
nonhuman intelligence that has this
telepathic capability or is it amongst

1832
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,797
all of them? >> I do not
know the holistic answer to

1833
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:46,477
that question. I do not know.
>> The the the grays do for example, but I

1834
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:48,957
don't know. >> The grays do.
Is that been reported? But

1835
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:52,877
I know the tall whites have been
reported that that they can communicate

1836
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:56,557
telepathically. >> Oh, sorry.
>> Or these weird the Nordics.

1837
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:59,037
>> Yeah, there's been
accounts out there in

1838
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:03,597
um the public vernacular on that >>
potentially, but unfortunately that's at

1839
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:07,917
the limit of my personal knowledge
that I feel confident, you know, saying

1840
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,917
something publicly about yet. So,

1841
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,197
>> what what other kinds of uh beings have

1842
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:18,797
been reported? Um,
so for the gray types, there were

1843
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,837
there multiple sizes.
>> There's a big tall thin one, right?

1844
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:23,997
>> Yeah. There's taller ones,
little tiny ones. Yeah.

1845
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:26,157
>> They think a lot of people think that

1846
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:29,837
the tiny ones might be some sort of like

1847
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:33,677
an android or >> Yeah,
that's certainly hypothesis that

1848
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:35,597
has also been discussed, you know,

1849
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:40,717
within the program as well. So, there's
a variety. There's like three or four

1850
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:45,117
different subtypes and they all kind of
have various statures, different effect,

1851
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:46,797
>> you know, their faces
are a little different.

1852
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:49,917
>> The tall ones seem to be
running the show and the little ones

1853
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,437
>> and I've heard that behind the scenes
as well. And I don't know what to make of

1854
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:57,837
that. Once again, I don't have like um
holistic knowledge on kind of the that

1855
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,717
species. So, >> well, it kind
of makes sense that you would

1856
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:06,157
>> if you develop some sort of a
nonbiological life form that worked for

1857
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:09,597
you. Like say if there's a bunch
of menial tasks like think about like all

1858
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:11,277
the things that people
have to do in this world.

1859
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:15,917
>> Well, we are siliconbased NHI aka
artificial intelligence. We're basically

1860
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:17,277
doing that already. So, >> right.

1861
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:21,517
>> Which is scary. >> Yeah.
>> And I I postulate that artificial super

1862
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:23,277
intelligence if it's allowed to have

1863
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,597
certain data and it's able to collect

1864
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:28,637
data. I mean to include uh genomic data

1865
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:32,957
almost like uh Larry Ellison's doing
the what the Stargate uh AI medical thing

1866
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:37,997
right now at the Trump administration.
I bet artificial super intelligence

1867
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:40,797
uh could disclose before the federal
government if we're not careful. And

1868
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:45,437
that's why I feel like times of the
essence. I think AI could possibly find

1869
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:49,517
evidence that we're not alone and curate
that um like it's been solving other

1870
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:53,517
crazy mathematical problems lately. You
know, open AI's been doing that and and

1871
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:57,117
that's another danger
besides our adversary

1872
01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:01,437
um accelerating this by taking the upper
hand on this to to look like a more

1873
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:03,917
messianic truth bearer. You could have

1874
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:08,157
big tech and AI invertly discovering uh

1875
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:12,317
US classified technology that we figured
out which is a national security issue

1876
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:16,397
near and dear to my heart but also
their presence just through different data

1877
01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:19,917
sets. >> So they would
have definitive proof that

1878
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:23,197
how would AI have access to definitive
proof unless it hacked into every

1879
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,477
government resource? >> Well,
medical records, optical sensing

1880
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:28,477
systems, you know, that kind of stuff.

1881
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:33,277
Um certainly I'm not aware of some sort
of imminent thing but I think there is a

1882
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:37,197
a possibility that artificial super
intelligence if it you know comes online

1883
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:41,037
in the next months to years uh could
figure it all out because they might see

1884
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:44,317
gaps in the historical record that don't
make any sense. They detect deni

1885
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:48,157
deception operations. They're like wait
a minute that story about that event in

1886
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:51,837
history is not right. Let me do some
digging and then they they figure out oh

1887
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:53,837
that was cover for a crash retrieval.

1888
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:57,357
That event didn't actually happen
the way it does. And I I can think of some

1889
01:44:57,440 --> 01:44:59,277
things that you know that
that could possibly happen.

1890
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:01,837
>> Okay, so you have
these Nordic Greek god

1891
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:06,477
looking things. You have these reptilian
ones. Are there more than one type of

1892
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:09,597
reptilian one? >> Yeah,
there seems seems to be. And I

1893
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:11,517
don't know why there's different subtypes.

1894
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:15,597
>> See if anybody has anybody have any
artistic renditions of what they saw the

1895
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:19,117
reptilians. >> I wasn't
getting I was only getting like

1896
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:23,517
weird fan art of you know crazy reptile
fighter things. Nothing of like a

1897
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:25,757
description.
Let me see what that looks like.

1898
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,917
>> Nonsense.
There's just >> I like nonsense.

1899
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:33,197
>> See some fan art. >> Now, um >> be
splashed on young kids walls as a kid

1900
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:37,037
after post disclosure. You're going
to have uh NHI fan art all over the place

1901
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:38,797
and Lamborghini Countach on the wall.

1902
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:42,397
Right. Right. So, >> but well
Betty and Barney Hill of course

1903
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:46,717
were um >> Yeah, that's
a weird one. And also Dr.

1904
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,037
Carla Turner did a lot of work in the 90s.

1905
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:53,837
>> I mean, this one's from a description
on Reddit, which I that's Interesting.

1906
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:56,477
>> He's jacked.
>> Yeah, >> he's got a tail.

1907
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:58,557
>> Yeah, >> he's got
a hole for a tail in a suit.

1908
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:02,557
>> Yeah. Once again, I've never seen one,
so I I can't uh >> He's wearing scrubs.

1909
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:06,317
>> Verifying the sketch.
>> That's some weird 3D version.

1910
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:08,317
>> Oh, is that the uh >> I
don't know what these are.

1911
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,717
>> Peruvian um >>
the Peruvian ones are weird.

1912
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,917
>> No idea. >> That's another
open-ended thing that um

1913
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:17,037
>> some of the Peruvian ones seem like
total horseshit and other ones are like,

1914
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:21,517
"What the hell is that?" And how
is it so old if it's that good of a

1915
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:25,437
recreation? If it's if it's art, it's
some of the greatest art I've ever seen

1916
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:28,397
because they have the bones are correct.

1917
01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:31,757
>> Yeah. But then the bones of the foot
are incorrect and some some people think

1918
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:35,677
that it was actually put together
and made. But then for what purpose? Like

1919
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:38,317
what what is the purpose?
>> Because like grave robbers found it. So

1920
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:40,077
the providence is kind of sketchy, but

1921
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:41,437
they look

1922
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:45,437
>> possibly legit cuz the MRIs and the CT

1923
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:48,877
scans. It's like, well, there's joints
and it's connected and if they glued it

1924
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:52,717
together, there's no obvious places
where they clued it together with the I

1925
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:56,077
think it was the bigger ones.
>> Monster. Pull pull the images up with

1926
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:59,437
Monat. Monat's the weird one.
But again, I've heard people who

1927
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:00,637
>> that's pregnant. No,

1928
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:03,117
>> there's one that supposedly Yeah.

1929
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:06,957
>> Um, but one of the weird things is that

1930
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:10,317
people that understand anatomy have
looked at the bones of the foot and say,

1931
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:13,597
"No, this is like this is not how it
would work. They're pieced together.

1932
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:17,117
This is fake." But how do you know if
you're talking about something that's

1933
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:21,197
not a human? Like what? I don't understand
that. It's outside of my wheelhouse.

1934
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:26,157
>> Exactly. >> But but the images
themselves are strange as man.

1935
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:28,477
>> Yeah. >> Like they're really weird.

1936
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:32,237
>> They just need genetic testing,
and I believe that's going on. Um

1937
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:33,917
>> Yeah, I believe that's going on, too.

1938
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:37,677
But I I don't know who to believe.
The other thing that's really

1939
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:39,917
weird about Peru is not only do they

1940
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:44,157
have these things, these weird looking

1941
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:48,477
sort of mummy creatures that look like
something non-human, but they also have

1942
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:51,037
this ancient artwork tradition of these

1943
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:54,237
three fingered, three-toed creatures

1944
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:58,717
that like these are like tapestries
and and paintings that are really

1945
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:02,557
old. Yeah. That have these things in them.

1946
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:04,157
>> Yeah. >> Is that the Nazca lions?

1947
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:07,997
>> Yeah, the Nazca lines. These are
this actually AI uncovered more of them.

1948
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:11,517
>> Yeah, >> I was trying to find that big
one, but >> Oh, really? Was that recently?

1949
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,797
>> Yeah. 303 previously unseen Nazca lines

1950
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:18,877
in Peru. all weird. Really weird

1951
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:23,437
stuff. The Peruvian stuff is really
strange. The the elongated skulls in

1952
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,637
Peru are really weird. >> Yeah.
Like whatever started the

1953
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:29,757
headbinding thing, like I
wonder if that's to emulate

1954
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:34,157
>> Yes. Well, that's what they think.
Well, see the thing about the skull that

1955
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:37,197
>> Have you seen some
of the weirder skulls?

1956
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:40,077
>> Some of them. Yeah.
They're like really really like

1957
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:42,317
>> they don't have that sagittal line that

1958
01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:44,877
we have that that line in the skull. And

1959
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:49,597
their their brain capacity is far
larger than us. 20 to 30% larger.

1960
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:53,357
>> So, it's not just that it was like
a manipulated skull. Like, this seems to

1961
01:48:53,440 --> 01:48:55,437
be a completely different type of person.

1962
01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:58,797
>> That's right. That's right. Like,
is it a missing link or or something? Show

1963
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:01,837
them some of the weirder skulls
that they found. Some of the weirder

1964
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:06,237
elongated skulls. Like you just
imagine running into this person.

1965
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,317
>> Like if you met this person and someone

1966
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:11,197
with a 30% larger brain capacity, like

1967
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:15,757
what does that mean? Like what could
are are these people able to communicate

1968
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:19,757
telepathically? Do they have
a far higher level of intelligence?

1969
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:23,357
>> Their synaptic density is the same
as humans or better. Like I'm sure crazy

1970
01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:27,037
intelligence, >> right?
30% is nuts. That's And the size

1971
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:29,917
of their skull is crazy.

1972
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:34,237
>> And some of them are like
tiny bodies, but enormous skulls.

1973
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,637
>> Oh, that's right. I think I know
what pictures you're talking about. It's

1974
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:39,757
pretty weird. Yeah, >> it's weird stuff.
And then um one of my

1975
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:42,877
friends recently went down to Peru
to see these things and he said the skulls

1976
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:46,637
are missing now. And that Yeah,
there's apparently that are real there. So

1977
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:50,317
here's some of them. Like look at that
one on the left. Like what in the hell,

1978
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:55,037
man? Imagine if you met that guy. Like
look, he doesn't have that same sagittal

1979
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:58,877
line that we have. >> And they've
done assessments of like how

1980
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:02,237
long you'd have to do headbinding
or >> it's not headbinding.

1981
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:05,997
>> Some sort of disease or >> Yeah.
It could be an anomaly. It could

1982
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:09,357
be some sort of a genetic thing.
But like look at what the dude would look

1983
01:50:09,440 --> 01:50:12,237
like down there below. Like what the

1984
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:17,917
Imagine meeting that guy and he's
talking to you telepathically.

1985
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,957
>> Hey, you never know. That might be
a thing uh sooner than you think. I don't

1986
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:22,717
know. I mean that image right there,

1987
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:25,517
that skull, that is a real elongated

1988
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:28,077
skull that they found in Peru. That is

1989
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:30,477
not just the product of headbinding.

1990
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:34,477
There's no way. It's too big. Like head
binding doesn't increase the capacity.

1991
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:38,637
It just flattens out the shape.
That's a weird head, man.

1992
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:39,757
>> Oh, that makes sense.
I know what you're

1993
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:42,957
talking about. Yeah. Unless it's some
sort of disease, and I'm not an expert.

1994
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:45,357
That's really >> It certainly
could be. It could be some

1995
01:50:45,440 --> 01:50:49,437
sort of a genetic anomaly,
some sort of a mutation. Yeah.

1996
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:52,877
>> Who knows? and a trait that was passed
on. Like there's those people that live

1997
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:57,037
in Africa that have like uh
ostrich feet. Have you seen that?

1998
01:50:57,120 --> 01:51:01,597
>> No. I'm learning a lot. >> Yeah.
There's this weird uh group of

1999
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:03,437
people in Africa that have this very

2000
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:06,717
specific trait where they do not have uh

2001
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:10,237
five toes uh on each foot. Instead, they

2002
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:13,117
have these long strange appendages that

2003
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:16,717
almost looks like like four or five toes

2004
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:18,877
smashed together, but much longer.

2005
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:23,277
>> Interesting. And they call them like
I think they call them ostrich feet. It's

2006
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:27,437
very weird, but like it's in this one
tribe and many people in this tribe have

2007
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:30,477
it. >> Very rampant. >> Yeah.
Show show some images of that.

2008
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:33,917
It's really strange. So you you

2009
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:38,477
see that and you go, "Okay, well that
clearly is a genetic anomaly. Maybe the

2010
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:41,677
head thing is a genetic
anomaly as well, right?" Yes.

2011
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:43,757
>> Like look at that.

2012
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,477
>> Ostrichfooted people of Zimbabwe.

2013
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:49,277
Interesting. Yeah. strange, man.

2014
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:53,437
So, look at the people down there. Look
what they look like. Scroll. Yeah. How

2015
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:54,797
weird is that? Wow.

2016
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:58,637
>> So, they have two big long things that

2017
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:00,957
are way longer than a toe and they

2018
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:03,757
spllay out and that's what their toes

2019
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:08,637
are. And it's like this tribe, multiple
people in this tribe have it. What if

2020
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:13,597
they've sequenced the genome of the they
see there's some sort of uh genetic

2021
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:16,477
abnormality. >> Well, there
certainly is, right? Cuz it

2022
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:22,280
seems like are their fingers
normal >> cuz it's passed down.

2023
01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:26,157
>> No. >> No. So they've got
the issue with their hands as well.

2024
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:27,597
>> They're missing. Can't tell.

2025
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:32,397
>> Yeah. No, it seems like that it's
with their hands as well. Yes. Look at her

2026
01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:35,757
left hand. >> It's almost like
an elephantitis kind of looking thing.

2027
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:39,917
>> Very weird. Whatever it is.
So you could imagine if that exists and

2028
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:44,397
exists with multiple people in this
tribe that a large head anomaly could

2029
01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:45,837
exist as well.

2030
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:48,877
So, so you have the tall grays, the

2031
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:53,837
small grays, you have more
than one version of reptilian

2032
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:55,437
>> from what I understand.
Yes. So, I'm not

2033
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:56,957
an expert on that. What have you heard?

2034
01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:58,157
I'll defer.

2035
01:52:58,240 --> 01:53:01,517
>> Um, some look a little more humanoid.

2036
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:05,757
Um, from what I understand, once again,
I'm hitting like the limit of my, you

2037
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:07,277
know, high confidence knowledge.

2038
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:09,037
>> More humanoid, but still reptilian.

2039
01:53:09,120 --> 01:53:13,837
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> And tall. 7 foot plus. big giant

2040
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:16,317
reptiles in the world, >> which
I thought was so funny because,

2041
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:19,197
you know, that's like the skitso thing
you hear out like in public, you know,

2042
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:22,877
the the big the big reptiles,
lizards, >> whatever.

2043
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:24,797
>> Turns out that that's kind of a thing.

2044
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:28,477
And I just it's just strange. But once
again, I I personally have not seen any

2045
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:31,997
of that. >> That is one
of the weirder theories of

2046
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:37,277
ancient civilizations as well, that
during the time of the dinosaurs, like

2047
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:40,317
let's >> let's imagine
that human beings weren't

2048
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:43,837
the first intelligent creature. Let's
imagine that there was an intelligent

2049
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:46,957
reptile >> and that this
intelligent reptile had

2050
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:51,597
formulated a very complex society
a 100red million years ago. Like why not?

2051
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:55,517
>> Like if if dinosaurs existed 100
million years ago, why not some sort of a

2052
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:59,997
reptilian type creature? Just we have
a tiny amount of fossils just from the

2053
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:01,677
amount of dinosaurs that existed.

2054
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:03,677
>> That's right. And if these things had

2055
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:06,157
some sort of sophisticated disposal of

2056
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:10,797
bodies, if they had burning rituals,
or if you know, if they never let their

2057
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:14,477
bodies just lay around and become
fossils, we would never find them.

2058
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:17,277
>> Exactly. >> What is that called?
Not Sorian. It's

2059
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:21,517
like there's a there's a there's
a theory about that that people have.

2060
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:23,837
>> I'm not sure >> outside my expertise.

2061
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:27,677
>> It's a wacky theory because there's
no evidence at all. It's just like what if

2062
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:32,717
you know there was an intelligent race of
reptiles that existed alongside dinosaurs.

2063
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:36,957
>> Yeah, that might be
a thing. And that's also

2064
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:41,597
uh once again going back
to bioengineered is it sourced from Earth

2065
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:44,797
genomic stockpile? >> Did they
visit us from somewhere else?

2066
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,837
>> I I don't currently this planet.

2067
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:50,797
>> I mean they clearly
have advanced technology

2068
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:55,197
>> but I don't understand the origin.
But you're convinced that this is a actual

2069
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:59,117
phenomenon.
That this isn't just a cover up for

2070
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:02,077
>> some top secret black ops programs.

2071
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:06,877
>> No, I would know cuz I was in the
position to know all that kind of stuff.

2072
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:10,157
Unlike Elon Musk, I actually
had all those clearances.

2073
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:12,797
>> And um we talk about Elon if you want,

2074
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:16,317
but interesting guy. But the uh the

2075
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:18,637
phenomenon is so old. We've been seeing

2076
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:20,797
the same objects for so long it rules

2077
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:24,077
out any kind of, you know, modern cold

2078
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:28,397
war technology. Now, have there been
oops where people have seen our stuff?

2079
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:32,317
Yes. I won't get into that because
that is a national security thing and I'm,

2080
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:33,757
you know, that's I'm very differential

2081
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:37,037
to that. But, uh, there's clearly a

2082
01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:39,597
genuine presence. The phenomenon's old.

2083
01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:43,197
Um, if you listen to the 1952

2084
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:44,877
uh recording that Representative Burlson

2085
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:47,757
got declassified from MIT Lincoln Labs,

2086
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:50,477
you'll hear uh Edward Rubelt who

2087
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:54,957
eventually defected from Blue Book
because he realized it was a cover up um

2088
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:57,357
in in the 50s, but he talked he was

2089
01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:02,077
talking to the Beacon Hill study team
at Lincoln Labs saying, "Hey, the the Air

2090
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:04,317
Force has ruled out mass hysteria. We're

2091
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:06,797
seeing during, you know, nuclear

2092
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:09,357
sites tests. Oh, by the way, in the

2093
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:11,757
White Sands Hollowman Air Force Base

2094
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:16,477
area, we we caught multiple objects
traveling an estimated 3,500 miles an

2095
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:18,477
hour. We can't rule out maybe some sort

2096
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:23,757
of meteor shower, but we're seeing
a lot of weird moving at velocities that

2097
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:27,357
we don't know. And in the recording,
it talks about like we've rolled out, you

2098
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:29,437
know, foreign programs, etc. This is an

2099
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:32,237
internal recorded briefing between

2100
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:35,037
Lincoln Lab scientists and the Air Force

2101
01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:36,957
that just got released in the recent

2102
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:40,557
trunch. And so that rules out a lot of

2103
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:44,957
um uh human activity. And so the the
thought experiment or the the kind of

2104
01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:48,957
the path I lead people it's like okay
are UAP real? Well of course people have

2105
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:53,037
seen it will be you know more inclined
to saying yes. But if you look at the

2106
01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:57,757
the whole tapestry of information
to include orbs that are accosting the

2107
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:01,917
federal government as we speak and there's
a whole task force looking at it

2108
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:03,677
right now between OD and I and

2109
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:07,117
Department of War etc. And um okay, so

2110
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:09,677
it's real. They're interacting with man.

2111
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:13,677
So you don't think the federal
government at one point tried to acquire

2112
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:16,637
some empirical evidence?
Of course they did.

2113
01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:18,637
>> Of course they did.
>> They were they recovered

2114
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:22,637
>> But it is. Yeah. So it's like once
you cross that Rubicon, you're like, well

2115
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:25,277
that makes sense why crash retrievals
could be a thing. You think the

2116
01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:27,277
government just passively studied it?

2117
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:31,037
Oh, we did a secret blue book and we
were just like, you know, imaging stuff.

2118
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:35,437
No, no, baby. we're doing for material
exploitation and acquisition. We're

2119
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:38,797
going to go get some of this when we
get a chance when you know there's a

2120
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:41,037
mission failure or one crashes or lands

2121
01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:46,077
for whatever other reason. So, uh that's
once you accept that it's like a whole

2122
01:57:46,160 --> 01:57:49,197
new paradigm in your mind like
holy And then all this crazy stuff

2123
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:50,797
we're talking about with Nordics and the

2124
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:54,637
beings, it's it is wild but it's true.

2125
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:58,957
Like of course if you're recovering an
artifact, you're going to get biological

2126
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:01,037
too. And and that's that's I think

2127
01:58:01,120 --> 01:58:03,037
the the place where the the public's

2128
01:58:03,120 --> 01:58:06,157
like has a harder uh cognitive leap

2129
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:10,317
where it's just so hard to conceptualize
something you don't see daytoday that's

2130
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:13,117
a a living thing. It's like even more

2131
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:18,077
wild than finding some new uh animal
in the Congo or some deep sea creature in

2132
01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:21,677
the bottom of the ocean. Like we don't
even know what's you know 70% of the

2133
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:24,557
ocean or something like that hasn't
even been mapped. Something like that. I

2134
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:26,557
don't know the exact might be more than

2135
01:58:26,640 --> 01:58:31,997
that. And you know it it's just shocking

2136
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:35,597
because it's just it's it's but it's
familiar at the same time. You know a

2137
01:58:35,680 --> 01:58:39,677
lot of it's bipedal and as the bilateral
symmetry and it's just like what does

2138
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:42,477
this mean? Like it they're so similar.

2139
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:45,517
Are they organic life from another planet?
Like how would it evolve in such

2140
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:50,317
a similar way? Are these like vonomy
probes that are sent with occupants that

2141
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:53,837
are bio-engineered because they know
on this M-class planet there's these homo

2142
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:57,037
sapiens sapient creatures. they look
like this, this, and that, and they

2143
01:58:57,120 --> 01:59:02,077
tweak a couple things, etc. So, it's I
don't know all the answers to that, and

2144
01:59:02,160 --> 01:59:04,877
I wish I did because I'm sure the public,
you know, has a, you know, a big

2145
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:08,797
desire to know that, but I think
eventually, uh, through the president's

2146
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,277
courageous actions,
it'll it'll come out. And

2147
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:13,837
>> so, the intent of Project Blue Book was

2148
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:16,397
clearly to obfuscate. And

2149
01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:18,637
>> yes, and you don't have to take my word

2150
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:21,117
for it. I talk about a formally

2151
01:59:21,200 --> 01:59:23,517
classified Australian Joint Intelligence

2152
01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:25,677
Organization document that was

2153
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:28,957
classified secret in 1971 written by a

2154
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:33,277
gentleman called Harry Turner who is the
nuclear branch chief for the GIO which

2155
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:35,437
is the Australian equivalent of the

2156
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:39,837
Defense Intelligence Agency DIA and it's

2157
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:43,517
like page eight or 7 through 18
of the document which is in the Australian

2158
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:47,357
National Archives. The Providence
is impeccable. Uh Harry Turner had a

2159
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:51,517
top-seeker clearance clearly and had
contacts at CIA and America. And if you

2160
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:55,117
read a summary, it's like, yeah,
Blue Book was a facade. The Air Force was

2161
01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:58,317
really concerned about this.
They wanted to figure out what was going

2162
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:00,957
on. Could they make use of whatever this

2163
02:00:01,040 --> 02:00:05,277
technology is? and they created this um

2164
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:07,357
uh plan of ridicule and and

2165
02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:09,677
disinformation unfortunately

2166
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:12,717
after the Robertson panel in 1953 to

2167
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:16,717
dissuade the public from looking
in on it because the America was afraid of

2168
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:20,397
that being used as a false flag
by the Soviets and there was other kind of

2169
02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:24,477
national security objectives and that's
publicly accessible. you can read it and

2170
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:26,077
that was from the Australian

2171
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:28,397
government's perspective what the cover

2172
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:32,077
up was in 1971 looking back from late

2173
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:36,717
40s to present at the time and that's
essentially the the the thesis of of

2174
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:40,637
Harry Turner. So of course this is
outside looking in but he was very well

2175
02:00:40,720 --> 02:00:43,517
informed and he um he traveled to the US

2176
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:48,157
and talked to the CIA a lot and so he he
stitched together the the the puzzle in

2177
02:00:48,240 --> 02:00:50,877
his mind of what he thought was going on.
Well, it's also the statements of

2178
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:53,197
Jay. Allen Heinik, who left Project Blue

2179
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:55,997
Book and talked openly about his role

2180
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:59,437
during Project Blue Book, was to dismiss

2181
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:02,957
any and all sightings as being either

2182
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:05,197
some sort of a natural occurrence like

2183
02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:08,077
ball lightning or meteor showers or

2184
02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:11,597
planet Venus or, you know, just a

2185
02:01:11,680 --> 02:01:16,077
misunderstanding and >> that he
believed after all of his years

2186
02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:19,357
in Project Blue Book that there
was a real phenomenon. Exactly.

2187
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:23,757
>> And then after he left Project
Blue Book, he became a UFO researcher.

2188
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:27,677
>> Yeah. A lot of was Donald Kho. There's
a lot of, you know, James McDonald, Dr.

2189
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:32,077
James McDonald, and a lot of those
OGs in this subject area that I only

2190
02:01:32,160 --> 02:01:34,877
recently learned about because I haven't
been following this until, you know,

2191
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:38,237
relatively recently
realized it was real. And

2192
02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:40,077
>> what do you know
about the Richard Nixon

2193
02:01:40,160 --> 02:01:43,197
Jackie Gleason story? I don't know if

2194
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:46,477
that happened, but based on Nixon's

2195
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:48,557
personality and he he he was

2196
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:53,677
knowledgeable on this topic, that might
have happened. I don't know, but I could

2197
02:01:53,760 --> 02:01:57,597
see Nixon doing that. So, >> well,
it's a it's a fun one. And it's

2198
02:01:57,680 --> 02:02:01,997
really particularly fun because Jackie
Gleason built a UFO house after I did

2199
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:04,797
not know that. >> You didn't know
that one? Let me show you the house.

2200
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:07,917
>> The house is crazy. It was for sale
for a while. We thought about buying it,

2201
02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:11,437
>> but >> where is it? >> It's
in upstate New York, I Oh, interesting.

2202
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:17,037
>> Um, it is a very weird house. He built
a house that looks like a flying saucer.

2203
02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:19,037
>> Interesting. >> In the woods.
And apparently, according

2204
02:02:19,120 --> 02:02:22,637
to his ex-wife, he was obsessed with
flying saucers. That's the inside. But

2205
02:02:22,720 --> 02:02:27,437
show the outside. Yeah. No. No. The one
down there. Yeah. Jackie of all people,

2206
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:30,237
too. >> They're separate buildings that
he had on the property. But it was like

2207
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:32,957
basically like a UFO themed property.

2208
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:34,797
Like, what the hell's that, Jackie?

2209
02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:37,597
>> Interesting. >> The are you making?

2210
02:02:37,680 --> 02:02:40,957
>> His whole house looked
like UFOs. It's very strange.

2211
02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:42,797
>> Well, and with Nixon, there's the whole

2212
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:45,917
story uh with Robert Enegger and the

2213
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:50,477
promise of footage and and all that.
And from what I understand, the MacArthur

2214
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:54,237
Foundation was kind of the the cutout
for that between the the White House and

2215
02:02:54,320 --> 02:02:57,357
the filmmakers. And obviously,
it didn't work out, but

2216
02:02:57,440 --> 02:03:01,197
>> So, they were thinking about disclosure
as far back as the Nixon administration.

2217
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:04,797
>> Yes. And I know of an assessment that
was done for Nixon basically saying it's

2218
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:06,637
going to cause absolute chaos.

2219
02:03:06,720 --> 02:03:10,077
And it's interesting that assessment

2220
02:03:10,160 --> 02:03:11,837
right after that assessment Watergate

2221
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:15,197
happened which is kind of very

2222
02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:19,117
convenient. And so I I have some
questions about that era as well because

2223
02:03:19,200 --> 02:03:23,277
it seemed like there was some movement
with Nixon. I don't know the rationale

2224
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:27,757
or why Nixon wanted to do it, but it
seemed like there was um some energy.

2225
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:31,357
And that's what sucks is like so Trump's
finally the first president to like

2226
02:03:31,440 --> 02:03:36,077
overtly say I want all this out and like
other presidents have failed and he

2227
02:03:36,160 --> 02:03:37,517
he really has an opportunity. I mean

2228
02:03:37,600 --> 02:03:40,557
it's the same thing I go uh back to

2229
02:03:40,640 --> 02:03:43,357
the uh the Hillary Clinton thing, right?

2230
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:46,077
So in prior to the 2016 election,

2231
02:03:46,160 --> 02:03:47,837
Hillary talked publicly and this is

2232
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:50,477
public record that if elected she would

2233
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:53,357
release the UFO files. So what happened

2234
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:57,677
was you know John Podesta green lit a uh

2235
02:03:57,760 --> 02:03:59,757
called a climatization activity a

2236
02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:02,637
popularization activity and you know

2237
02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:06,877
that's why Tom Dong got his advisors
that's why General McCasslin talked to

2238
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:09,997
him it wasn't because General McCaslin
Robert Weiss at Lockheed other people

2239
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:13,757
that's all in Wikileaks um just
wanted to talk to Tom because he

2240
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:17,277
was a rock star and you know
was infatuated by his celebrity and wanted

2241
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:19,997
to help on a sci-fi movie it was because

2242
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:23,197
they were given top cover to see Tom as

2243
02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:24,957
a public figure who had the touch of the

2244
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:28,317
youth um rightly or wrongly. I mean I

2245
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:30,957
once again there was an attempt and I'm

2246
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:34,077
not going to judge them bad or good but

2247
02:04:34,160 --> 02:04:35,517
they were trying to prep the battle

2248
02:04:35,600 --> 02:04:38,717
space uh prior to 2016.

2249
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:41,197
Obviously Hillary didn't win. Uh Trump

2250
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:44,397
won and clearly that activity pivoted

2251
02:04:44,480 --> 02:04:47,677
and you saw kind of the collapse of uh

2252
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:49,997
the original TTSA efforts in my opinion.

2253
02:04:50,080 --> 02:04:53,757
That's what I believe happened. Now,
the characters that were involved in that

2254
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:58,157
are happy to tell their side of the story
or more information, but from what

2255
02:04:58,240 --> 02:05:02,077
I understand, they were trying to get,
you know, Hillary. There was an inside

2256
02:05:02,160 --> 02:05:03,997
job to prep the battle space for

2257
02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:07,277
Hillary. Um, uh, Jim Clapper and some

2258
02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:09,277
other people that I know personally were

2259
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:13,837
providing some top cover and, uh, and

2260
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:18,637
that was going to be the thing. So,
the Clintons were trying to do it back in

2261
02:05:18,720 --> 02:05:22,797
the day. Don't you think that that's
also just a political ploy to get people

2262
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:25,757
to want to vote for you? >> Oh.
Oh, certainly there's politics in

2263
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:29,437
that and obviously even in this current
situation, you know, the president can

2264
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:33,517
use this for political ends, ways
and means, whether making some threshold

2265
02:05:33,600 --> 02:05:38,237
announcement for the upcoming midterms
or by, you know, the 2028 election

2266
02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:42,157
cycle. I mean, it could be used
in in political ways, too. So, but it is a

2267
02:05:42,240 --> 02:05:43,677
real topic and the government has real

2268
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:46,237
information on it, though. So,

2269
02:05:46,320 --> 02:05:49,917
>> okay. So, so we've covered the grays,

2270
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:54,237
the tall grays, the little grays,
the reptilians, various forms, the Nordic

2271
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:56,157
looking, Greek god looking ones.

2272
02:05:56,240 --> 02:05:59,597
>> Yeah. And there's like a >>
Isn't there like a mantis or two?

2273
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:01,677
>> Uh, in terms of the humanoid ones,

2274
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:04,877
there's like different kind of from very

2275
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:07,597
human to clear clearly not human, but

2276
02:06:07,680 --> 02:06:10,237
humanoidish. But like you said, I have

2277
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:13,677
heard I'll call it water cooler talk

2278
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:16,077
within those channels of like you said

2279
02:06:16,160 --> 02:06:18,477
some sort of insectoid. But I don't know

2280
02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:21,277
anything about it if that exists. I I've

2281
02:06:21,360 --> 02:06:25,917
heard you know like I said water cooler
talk about it. Um I'm open to that idea

2282
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:29,677
clearly because of all this other stuff
but I don't have any knowledge of that.

2283
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:31,437
um any high confidence

2284
02:06:31,520 --> 02:06:34,957
>> any detailed uh description of the

2285
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:38,557
number of different types
of entities and beings.

2286
02:06:38,640 --> 02:06:42,877
>> I mean the program has that I mean I
never I never I never have full access.

2287
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:45,677
No. >> Did anybody
ever discuss it like how

2288
02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:49,517
many they think they are? Is it
upwards of 10? Was it more? Is it 20?

2289
02:06:49,600 --> 02:06:53,837
>> No specific numericals. I only remember
in passing having those discussions and

2290
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:57,357
of course I was sitting in Senate
chambers when that crazy meeting

2291
02:06:57,440 --> 02:07:01,997
happened where I found out you know they
wanted to physically hurt me but um some

2292
02:07:02,080 --> 02:07:05,917
of those were brought up in passing but
there wasn't like a uh here's the exact

2293
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:10,077
number and here's the whole you
know organizational chart I never got

2294
02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:13,597
exposure like that so I unfortunately
don't have that level of confidence on

2295
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:17,197
how everything is. So >> do you
know what supposedly happened to

2296
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:20,237
those living reptilians from the crash?

2297
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:22,957
Uh uh deceased. They were killed.

2298
02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:25,517
>> They were killed.
Yeah. So we killed them.

2299
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:29,837
>> Yeah. >> Whoa. >> They are mortal.
So it's >> So how'd we kill them?

2300
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:31,197
>> Yeah. >> Did we shoot them?

2301
02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:33,277
>> Yeah. >> We shot the reptilians.

2302
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:37,117
>> Yeah. >> Jesus. >> Yeah.
>> That seems like a bad idea.

2303
02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:40,237
>> Yeah. I That's >> Maybe we
should like tell them to call

2304
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:42,317
your friends and come get picked up.

2305
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:45,597
>> Well, it's the same thing as like if we
force these craft down. Is that the best

2306
02:07:45,680 --> 02:07:47,997
thing we should be doing?
>> If we force it down. But it sounds like

2307
02:07:48,080 --> 02:07:49,357
they were in a war with the Grays.

2308
02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:53,437
>> Yeah. which is also,
by the way, I realize kooky talk,

2309
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:59,357
>> but >> it sounds crazy, but I swear
to God, I was in the most >> sensitive

2310
02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:01,757
>> Oh, I believe you.
>> places in government where that

2311
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:06,397
discussion was happening with >>
Listen, if it was if it was real,

2312
02:08:06,480 --> 02:08:08,157
there's no way it doesn't sound kooky.

2313
02:08:08,240 --> 02:08:11,357
Even if it's real. >> I know.
I know. And it even though I've

2314
02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:15,757
I know what I know. I'm confident what
I know, but just understanding this like

2315
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:21,357
new um normal that is eventually going
to come out, it's just it still hurts my

2316
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:23,037
head, honestly. >> How could it not?

2317
02:08:23,120 --> 02:08:27,837
>> So, >> um why did they do you
know why they killed the reptilians?

2318
02:08:27,920 --> 02:08:31,117
>> Um >> instead of just telling them to
call their homies, >> it posed a threat.

2319
02:08:31,200 --> 02:08:33,197
>> They posed a threat. >> Yeah.

2320
02:08:33,280 --> 02:08:35,357
>> Oh, so it was defending itself.

2321
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:37,197
>> Yeah. >> Was a giant reptile.

2322
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:41,917
>> Yeah. So, at some point that story will
come out. I'm sure the people who were

2323
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:44,557
in some of those events will
probably speak publicly at some point.

2324
02:08:44,640 --> 02:08:48,077
>> So, it posed a threat like
it tried to attack the soldiers.

2325
02:08:48,160 --> 02:08:51,757
>> Yeah, it's I'll let the people
who were there tell their story.

2326
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:53,117
>> Can you tell like a little bit of it?

2327
02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:55,517
>> So, I mean it just
posed a threat and uh

2328
02:08:55,600 --> 02:09:00,397
you know uh US personnel
started you know getting

2329
02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:04,397
hurt and dying and so >> so US
personnel was killed by these

2330
02:09:04,480 --> 02:09:07,837
reptilians. Yeah, I know.
It's crazy, man. But

2331
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:10,157
>> what? Like,
how many people were killed?

2332
02:09:10,240 --> 02:09:13,197
>> I don't know the exact numbers. And
once again, I >> So, it was like a fight.

2333
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:14,717
>> Yeah. I hope >> the fight broke out.

2334
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:17,677
>> Yeah. And I hope through this process
some of those people are allowed to

2335
02:09:17,760 --> 02:09:20,797
speak publicly about it. So, you could
just hear it from the horse's mouth, not

2336
02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:24,637
through me secondhand. You know, >> bro,
boy, would I would like to talk to

2337
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:28,717
someone who shot a reptile.
>> You never know. You may

2338
02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:32,957
>> imagine talking to some guy who shot
a seven foot reptilian. I mean, you think

2339
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:36,237
you want to talk to the guy who killed
Bin Laden. That's interesting. Talk to

2340
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:39,837
the guy who killed the seven foot
reptilian that tried to kill people

2341
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:43,357
or was killing soldiers. >> I know.

2342
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:45,677
>> Sounds so goofy though. >> I know.

2343
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:48,397
>> While you're saying it, it sounds like
this is and this is one of the reasons

2344
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:51,197
why people don't like to talk about it
because it makes you look like a fool.

2345
02:09:51,280 --> 02:09:55,197
>> And think about me, like I was a very
serious intel officer. I had access to

2346
02:09:55,280 --> 02:09:58,157
the most sensitive stuff like covert I
was working on covert action activities

2347
02:09:58,240 --> 02:09:59,837
all this and then all of a sudden I'm

2348
02:09:59,920 --> 02:10:02,557
inundated with this ecosystem and I'm

2349
02:10:02,640 --> 02:10:05,277
having to explain this you know to you

2350
02:10:05,360 --> 02:10:07,517
know members of Congress you know my

2351
02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:12,317
classified testimony and it's just
like I sound like a crazy person and

2352
02:10:12,400 --> 02:10:15,597
but >> but once again
it's true and I know who

2353
02:10:15,680 --> 02:10:18,717
I talked to I know what I saw and and I

2354
02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:21,437
you know I clearly have some inkling of

2355
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:25,757
what's going on behind the scenes and
and and this is a real reality, man. And

2356
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:29,277
it's it's and I hope
people look back at this

2357
02:10:29,360 --> 02:10:32,397
interview and are like, "Yeah,
Dave was really putting his ass on the

2358
02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:34,477
line." You know, >> it sounds
strange, but it's not nearly

2359
02:10:34,560 --> 02:10:36,637
as strange as the universe itself.

2360
02:10:36,720 --> 02:10:38,557
>> The universe itself is beyond strange.

2361
02:10:38,640 --> 02:10:42,477
The the the infinite nature of it, the
fact that there's stellar nurseries and

2362
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:45,437
black holes, like that's >> like
what's dark matter? Nobody really

2363
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:49,597
there's no consensus on.
There's wimps and all this other theories.

2364
02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:51,757
>> Yeah. The whole idea of the universe is

2365
02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:54,397
kooky as And so these

2366
02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:59,357
beings, this is a very minor level
of kooky in comparison to what we know.

2367
02:10:59,440 --> 02:11:03,117
>> Well, when you think about it,
you look at all the um credible military

2368
02:11:03,200 --> 02:11:04,877
witnesses that have had encounters at

2369
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:06,957
nuclear sites. I mean, you even look at

2370
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:10,797
the Mario Woods and Michael Johnson case

2371
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:15,037
up at Ellsworth Air Force Base in the 70s,
the Jesse Michaels just did an episode,

2372
02:11:15,120 --> 02:11:18,397
>> and it's like, >> think
about those military personnel.

2373
02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:23,117
like you saw the emotion in their face
talking about like I can't believe I'm

2374
02:11:23,200 --> 02:11:27,597
talking about a gray pushing some sort
of probe in me and it's like they're

2375
02:11:27,680 --> 02:11:31,277
even more uncomfortable than myself
because they are claiming that they

2376
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:35,037
experienced that and you look at Robert
Hastings book book UFOs and nukes and

2377
02:11:35,120 --> 02:11:39,757
all the different encounters military
personnel have had sober trained

2378
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:41,997
observers that are not drunk on duty

2379
02:11:42,080 --> 02:11:46,797
they're not high and um and I've had

2380
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:50,717
unbelievable highle
serious people in and out of

2381
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:53,917
government privately pull me aside and
tell me about their personal experiences

2382
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:57,037
and like they you're the only person I
can tell you. I don't even tell my wife

2383
02:11:57,120 --> 02:11:59,997
because I had this thing and this
happened this happened. I I thought I

2384
02:12:00,080 --> 02:12:01,757
was losing my mind but this really

2385
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:04,637
happened and it was and it's it's I

2386
02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:09,197
think a lot a bigger part of the
populace I think has had experiences

2387
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:12,717
than statistics would tell you just
because of the stigmatization of the

2388
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:16,157
topic you know. Well, yeah. I mean,
I don't know very many people that have

2389
02:12:16,240 --> 02:12:19,437
had encounters, but all of them
were very reluctant to talk about it.

2390
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:22,797
>> Oh, yes. And >> especially
people with like credible jobs.

2391
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:25,197
>> Yeah. And it's the same thing like
there's a lot of people behind the

2392
02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:28,557
scenes that are very credible supporting
me, talking to people behind the scenes

2393
02:12:28,640 --> 02:12:33,757
to bolster my efforts. And they're like,
I could never, you know, be public like

2394
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:36,717
you. And so I'm like, trust me, I don't
want to do this either. like I I'd like

2395
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:40,957
to, you know, go back to work in the
executive branch, put my uniform back on

2396
02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:45,837
and uh go kill terrorists. I used to hunt
warlords. Like I did a lot of crazy

2397
02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:50,157
I used to do hostage rescue,
do the Overwatch for that with certain JOC

2398
02:12:50,240 --> 02:12:54,237
elements and I've had a I've done
a lot of serious crazy in my career.

2399
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:57,437
Unfortunately, a lot of it
was traumatizing and, you know, got PTSD

2400
02:12:57,520 --> 02:13:00,877
from it. But um yeah, it's just a lot of

2401
02:13:00,960 --> 02:13:05,037
people still even at where we are right
now in the movie, so to speak, where

2402
02:13:05,120 --> 02:13:09,437
we're on the threshold of possibly
President Trump succeeding and his team

2403
02:13:09,520 --> 02:13:13,277
getting this information out there.
If they can, you know, uh broker a way

2404
02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:14,877
ahead with the elements, I'll call it

2405
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:17,037
the deep state that are that are holding

2406
02:13:17,120 --> 02:13:20,717
on. And and it seems crazy like, well,

2407
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:24,557
but couldn't the White House just, you
know, break down the door? Like what why

2408
02:13:24,640 --> 02:13:28,317
is there push back all that? Well,
you think about like MK Ultra and how

2409
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:30,157
Richard Helms told Sydney Gotautle to

2410
02:13:30,240 --> 02:13:32,077
destroy the records and the only reason

2411
02:13:32,160 --> 02:13:35,597
why we know of MK Ultra is uh Seymour

2412
02:13:35,680 --> 02:13:37,917
Hirs, right? The New York Times story,

2413
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:43,197
there was a leak to the Times. Then
uh Frank Church and other people got uh

2414
02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:44,877
information from whistleblowers and then

2415
02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:46,877
they found the financial records that

2416
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:50,717
weren't destroyed um in 1973 through 75

2417
02:13:50,800 --> 02:13:55,197
and and also what they call the what's
it called family jewels crown jewels

2418
02:13:55,280 --> 02:13:56,717
where

2419
02:13:56,800 --> 02:14:00,157
uh CI director Slesinger wrote down like

2420
02:14:00,240 --> 02:14:03,837
all the bad stuff the CIA was doing that
like you know we want to make sure this

2421
02:14:03,920 --> 02:14:07,837
stuff doesn't come out and then
there was like a 1964ish

2422
02:14:07,920 --> 02:14:11,677
CIA inspector general report that was
classified and clearly wasn't given to

2423
02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:15,757
Congress and that's the only way
reason we know about MK Ultra. It was

2424
02:14:15,840 --> 02:14:20,397
reluctantly there was an oopsies,
you know, and and part of this went public

2425
02:14:20,480 --> 02:14:23,357
and and so I guess there's some
historical parallels to to my journey

2426
02:14:23,440 --> 02:14:27,917
and and and stuff on this issue, but and
and once again MK Ultra like they had a

2427
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:32,317
drag CIA to they found all this other
bad stuff, the heart attack gun,

2428
02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:35,197
>> all the stuff in the church
committee hearings and you know the

2429
02:14:35,280 --> 02:14:39,117
>> operation midnight climax.
Then there was um what's a funny name?

2430
02:14:39,200 --> 02:14:40,077
I'm going to laugh about that one.

2431
02:14:40,160 --> 02:14:44,397
>> That's the brothel.
>> Was it? Oh, well people acid.

2432
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:48,557
>> Well, and then um you just saw there
was a story coming out where they like

2433
02:14:48,640 --> 02:14:53,277
sprayed the city of San Francisco
in 1976. I was just out in SF Gate

2434
02:14:53,360 --> 02:14:55,197
>> couple days.
See how they could spread disease.

2435
02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:58,397
>> Yeah. And then and then you had
a mockingb bird where they had people on

2436
02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:01,197
the payroll >> and and it's
like okay that's kind of

2437
02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:03,277
ethically dubious because it's domestic

2438
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:05,917
but influence foreign powers. Okay. the

2439
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:08,397
Smith Munt Act, a 1948 violation, sort

2440
02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:12,957
of, you know, on and on and on. So,
>> but I think what people really have a

2441
02:15:13,040 --> 02:15:18,077
hard time comprehending is that if this
is real and if we have been visited, why

2442
02:15:18,160 --> 02:15:19,677
doesn't everyone know about it already?

2443
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:21,437
Why haven't they made themselves known?

2444
02:15:21,520 --> 02:15:26,397
Why don't we why? And then there's
also this weird thing if anybody that's

2445
02:15:26,480 --> 02:15:30,637
actually experienced it like if you
have a novel experience if you are going

2446
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:35,117
through a you know you're going through
a national park in Utah and there's no

2447
02:15:35,200 --> 02:15:36,637
one out there and then all of a sudden

2448
02:15:36,720 --> 02:15:40,237
some disc shows up hovers over you lands

2449
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:44,717
some strange creatures you know come
out of it talk to you telepathically get

2450
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:45,997
back in the disc and take off.

2451
02:15:46,080 --> 02:15:49,997
>> Then you have the whole missing 411
stuff out there too I had that guy on too.

2452
02:15:50,080 --> 02:15:53,277
>> Clothes are folded. I don't
know the answer to that and I think

2453
02:15:53,360 --> 02:15:57,677
>> so why isn't this more pervasive?
I would say it's reasonably pervasive, but

2454
02:15:57,760 --> 02:16:00,957
we see these craft using cover,
concealment, deception techniques such

2455
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:04,077
as signature management, right?
Like think of the cling on bird of prey

2456
02:16:04,160 --> 02:16:07,677
cloaking, right? We >> we have
seen that and and so they're

2457
02:16:07,760 --> 02:16:11,757
they're masking their signature,
but like as Jacqu Valet will say, there's

2458
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:15,917
some sort of control system. It's like
a show and display thing as a stimulus for

2459
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:20,157
a lot of this. And then also, oh,
why don't they overtly interact? That gets

2460
02:16:20,240 --> 02:16:22,637
into like the exopolitique of this. I

2461
02:16:22,720 --> 02:16:24,797
certainly am not conversant in that yet.

2462
02:16:24,880 --> 02:16:27,437
I hope to learn more as the public to

2463
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:31,917
learn more about the objectives why
they're here why there hasn't been overt

2464
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:34,077
contact but clearly interactions with

2465
02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:39,197
you know the secular nation state
governments and well what's the

2466
02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:40,477
arrangement I don't know the answer to

2467
02:16:40,560 --> 02:16:44,557
that and and so there's or is it um like

2468
02:16:44,640 --> 02:16:47,837
the prime directive in Star Trek
right where the oh they're pre-warp

2469
02:16:47,920 --> 02:16:52,317
civilization we observe we're interested
here we're studying the planet but we're

2470
02:16:52,400 --> 02:16:56,237
not going to overtly influence their
development because that's unethical

2471
02:16:56,320 --> 02:17:00,237
according to our uh standards
of behavior and norms and rules of

2472
02:17:00,320 --> 02:17:02,477
engagement, you know, like like
it is in Star Trek for example.

2473
02:17:02,560 --> 02:17:05,357
>> Well, also just to to avoid any sort of

2474
02:17:05,440 --> 02:17:09,917
unbelievably catastrophic just upheaval

2475
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:15,277
of society, you would do it very slowly
like it's being done like today. The way

2476
02:17:15,360 --> 02:17:18,637
it's being discussed is very different
than the way it was being discussed

2477
02:17:18,720 --> 02:17:21,037
>> 20 years ago. Right. So 20 years ago is

2478
02:17:21,120 --> 02:17:25,757
2016. We hadn't had or 10 years ago
was 2016. We hadn't had the New York Times

2479
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:30,157
story yet. The New York Times story
is 2017. That changed everything. I think

2480
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:34,397
20 10 years before that, >> you
talked about this stuff. You were a

2481
02:17:34,480 --> 02:17:37,917
idiot and a kook.
>> This is a cottage industry. And I also

2482
02:17:38,000 --> 02:17:41,277
going back to kind of the pattern
of lifinglessness, so to speak.

2483
02:17:41,360 --> 02:17:43,037
>> I think the nature of the interaction

2484
02:17:43,120 --> 02:17:46,077
was more overt antiquity. So something

2485
02:17:46,160 --> 02:17:50,957
changed at some point in human history
where going back to Greek gods and you

2486
02:17:51,040 --> 02:17:52,957
know the and a whatever ends up being

2487
02:17:53,040 --> 02:17:54,637
true we'll find out I guess in this

2488
02:17:54,720 --> 02:17:57,997
process that seems more overt they're

2489
02:17:58,080 --> 02:18:02,317
like you know uh mass kind
of interactions but then

2490
02:18:02,400 --> 02:18:04,477
>> well I'm sure you've
seen those ancient changed

2491
02:18:04,560 --> 02:18:07,917
>> those ancient paintings that it looks
like a guy sitting in a craft that has

2492
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:12,877
like fire behind it and he's flying
through the sky >> like what the is that

2493
02:18:12,960 --> 02:18:16,397
>> yeah I'm not full uh chariots of the
gods or whatever that book but like I

2494
02:18:16,480 --> 02:18:20,077
think there's probably a happy medium
that ends up being accurate and but it

2495
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:23,677
looks at the nature of the interaction
does that mean a different group of

2496
02:18:23,760 --> 02:18:26,077
intelligences and how many of them and

2497
02:18:26,160 --> 02:18:30,717
the group changed and went away and
there's like this new generation I don't

2498
02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:34,717
know the answer to that but it does seem
if you pattern a life it um the nature

2499
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:38,397
of their show and display their
concealment deception their their force

2500
02:18:38,480 --> 02:18:40,237
presentation so to speak you know to use

2501
02:18:40,320 --> 02:18:42,877
kind of military talk has changed and

2502
02:18:42,960 --> 02:18:47,437
clearly um they're they're less uh

2503
02:18:47,520 --> 02:18:50,077
likely to do anything major negative or

2504
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:51,997
positive All right. For whatever reason,

2505
02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:55,277
>> is there a consensus
as to their origin?

2506
02:18:55,360 --> 02:18:59,597
Because I know that or or is it do they
vary wildly? Like there's a like timber

2507
02:18:59,680 --> 02:19:01,677
shed has talked about the ocean.

2508
02:19:01,760 --> 02:19:05,837
>> There is. Yes. The we know a lot about
that. And >> what do we know about that?

2509
02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:07,757
>> Well, be careful because it gets into

2510
02:19:07,840 --> 02:19:11,517
sensitive Navy underwater things. Um

2511
02:19:11,600 --> 02:19:16,317
there's clearly some sort of base of
operations in certain locations. Um it's

2512
02:19:16,400 --> 02:19:20,397
large. Don't know when it got there.

2513
02:19:20,480 --> 02:19:25,037
So it's large >> large like
multiple city blocks type stuff.

2514
02:19:25,120 --> 02:19:27,197
>> Yeah. >> So there's
multiple city blocks

2515
02:19:27,280 --> 02:19:29,117
somewhere in the bottom of the ocean.

2516
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:31,357
>> Yeah. And it's like >> Yeah.

2517
02:19:31,440 --> 02:19:34,237
>> Do you know what about
the Baltic Sea anomaly?

2518
02:19:34,320 --> 02:19:37,757
>> Well, the Yeah. The Yeah, the there's

2519
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:39,037
there's some interesting stuff there.

2520
02:19:39,120 --> 02:19:43,517
And um once again, I will allows the
federal government to deal with that one

2521
02:19:43,600 --> 02:19:46,157
in our allies and adversaries.
So >> Okay. Yeah.

2522
02:19:46,240 --> 02:19:48,797
>> Um but you did say
that there's multiple

2523
02:19:48,880 --> 02:19:51,197
city blocks under the ocean.

2524
02:19:51,280 --> 02:19:54,397
>> Yeah. I will tell you underwater people

2525
02:19:54,480 --> 02:19:58,637
I know um that come from that community,
they're they always like, you know, the

2526
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:03,597
movie The Abyss, Dave, it's kind of a
docu drama. And I'm like, "Holy fuck."

2527
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:04,797
You know, that movie, you know, with Ed

2528
02:20:04,880 --> 02:20:07,997
Harris back in '89. And so that kind of

2529
02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:11,037
gives you a sense in a pop sigh kind of

2530
02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:13,917
way for people to visualize. There is

2531
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:17,037
large down there and it's like the

2532
02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:19,597
origin is indeterminate. I'm sure we

2533
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:24,157
know a little bit more. I'm not privy to
that. And and the way we know things and

2534
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:27,917
track that gets into sensitive national
security stuff and um you know the

2535
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:30,477
government may have to reveal
some of that through some sort of

2536
02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:34,317
acknowledgement strategy. The way it's
been described to you are these large

2537
02:20:34,400 --> 02:20:38,077
city blocks or whatever the hell it is
under the ocean. Is this a way point? Is

2538
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:41,117
this a stop off? Like a base for a base?

2539
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:42,877
>> Stuff comes and goes. >> Okay.

2540
02:20:42,960 --> 02:20:46,237
>> Yeah. >> So, this is like
where they observe and

2541
02:20:46,320 --> 02:20:49,197
>> Yeah. I'm sure we've done an anal a

2542
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:51,677
behavioral analysis on it and we

2543
02:20:51,760 --> 02:20:56,557
probably have figured out maybe the
mission or whatever you want to call it.

2544
02:20:56,640 --> 02:21:00,957
>> I don't know the answer to that.
I I'm as curious as anybody honestly. So,

2545
02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:03,917
>> um, one thing I wanted to talk to you
about because it just recently started

2546
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:06,557
hitting the news, uh, or Twitter at

2547
02:21:06,640 --> 02:21:08,397
least. Someone sent it to me. Um, this

2548
02:21:08,480 --> 02:21:11,197
guy Matthew Brown saying that you, uh,

2549
02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:16,157
tricked him in a scop into revealing
that there's you turned him into a

2550
02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:17,677
whistleblower. Do you know the story?

2551
02:21:17,760 --> 02:21:22,157
>> I didn't even know Matt Brown until
right before the 2024 hearing. I never

2552
02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:25,917
met the guy while I was a, you know,
>> I sent it to you, Jamie. I I had to

2553
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:27,357
bring it up to you
because a bunch of people

2554
02:21:27,440 --> 02:21:29,757
>> Yeah, there's like some Make
sure you ask him about this.

2555
02:21:29,840 --> 02:21:31,597
>> Oh, because I because I was at the

2556
02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:34,557
Shrivever War game uh highle cell

2557
02:21:34,640 --> 02:21:38,557
advisor that I I somehow made fake stuff

2558
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:41,517
and and and and the the briefing that

2559
02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:44,717
that Matt says he saw, I've never seen.

2560
02:21:44,800 --> 02:21:47,117
I can't evaluate the contents of that.

2561
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:51,997
And and I didn't make anything. Um I've
never made a hazing brief on this topic.

2562
02:21:52,080 --> 02:21:56,237
I made some fun briefs just to with some
of my airmen back in the day. Um,

2563
02:21:56,320 --> 02:21:58,877
some Star Trek related
stuff and just for, you know,

2564
02:21:58,960 --> 02:22:00,477
>> but you're aware of this, right? So,

2565
02:22:00,560 --> 02:22:02,957
what is he what is he alleging?

2566
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:06,237
>> He alleges intent exposure. He was

2567
02:22:06,320 --> 02:22:10,637
cleaning up the file system on a
classified system in I think it was like

2568
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:12,797
2018 or something like that. And, you

2569
02:22:12,880 --> 02:22:15,357
know, he found this briefing. Um, once

2570
02:22:15,440 --> 02:22:17,757
again, I met Matt or talked to him for

2571
02:22:17,840 --> 02:22:20,237
the first time in like 2024, well after

2572
02:22:20,320 --> 02:22:22,477
I left uh the intelligence community.

2573
02:22:22,560 --> 02:22:27,117
So, I didn't even know he existed.
And um unfortunately, I've never seen a

2574
02:22:27,200 --> 02:22:29,277
briefing like that, so I can't evaluate

2575
02:22:29,360 --> 02:22:34,317
the the contents. So, um >> have
you communicated with him after he

2576
02:22:34,400 --> 02:22:37,837
said this? >> Oh, oh, oh,
sure. Sure. Yeah. I mean,

2577
02:22:37,920 --> 02:22:40,397
just to in support making
sure he has resources.

2578
02:22:40,480 --> 02:22:44,157
>> No, but I mean after he said that you
soped him. Have you communicated with

2579
02:22:44,240 --> 02:22:46,397
the assistant? >> Isn't that what it says?

2580
02:22:46,480 --> 02:22:48,317
>> I think that might have
been people saying that.

2581
02:22:48,400 --> 02:22:50,717
>> Some other people
saying in other words,

2582
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:53,117
>> that's news to me. Uh after

2583
02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:57,757
>> so that what what it is is other people
alleging that that's how it went down.

2584
02:22:57,840 --> 02:22:59,677
>> Yeah. There's a lot of theories online

2585
02:22:59,760 --> 02:23:02,557
about like myself and oh, I'm being

2586
02:23:02,640 --> 02:23:05,917
handled. Dude, it's just me. It's sad.

2587
02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:10,477
It's just me and like my bros and like
there's higher up people like helping

2588
02:23:10,560 --> 02:23:15,277
but unfortunately like nobody's
telling me to do X Y and Z and

2589
02:23:15,360 --> 02:23:18,797
>> obviously if the president wants me
officially involved I'm happy but like

2590
02:23:18,880 --> 02:23:21,277
you know it I'm just a dude you know

2591
02:23:21,360 --> 02:23:23,837
>> doing what I need to do. So yeah.

2592
02:23:23,920 --> 02:23:27,677
>> Um what other weirdness of it before we
wrap this up? What other weirdness of it

2593
02:23:27,760 --> 02:23:30,557
do you think people don't know about it?

2594
02:23:30,640 --> 02:23:35,357
Hm. You know, I think there's something to

2595
02:23:35,440 --> 02:23:37,197
synchronicities

2596
02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:40,317
and I don't have an answer why that

2597
02:23:40,400 --> 02:23:43,597
happens. It just see like weird

2598
02:23:43,680 --> 02:23:46,557
things just like happen or work out and

2599
02:23:46,640 --> 02:23:49,197
and this is about as woo as I get and I

2600
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:53,597
just look at my own personal journey.
um you know I was in like the right place

2601
02:23:53,680 --> 02:23:57,117
at the right time and so many instances
in my career to learn certain things

2602
02:23:57,200 --> 02:23:59,677
that would help me later and like you know

2603
02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:04,237
>> met certain people at the right time
and and of course you know there's like a

2604
02:24:04,320 --> 02:24:07,757
analytical bias most humans have where
they're ascribing meaning to certain

2605
02:24:07,840 --> 02:24:09,197
interactions that are actually truly

2606
02:24:09,280 --> 02:24:11,357
random statistically random right

2607
02:24:11,440 --> 02:24:15,677
>> but I've talked to enough people that

2608
02:24:15,760 --> 02:24:19,037
say the same thing and I just there's
something going there's a there's like a

2609
02:24:19,120 --> 02:24:23,357
hidden hand part of the phenomenon that I
can't there's like a certain Jennaqua

2610
02:24:23,440 --> 02:24:27,837
I can't like point my finger on that I
think is really interesting too but

2611
02:24:27,920 --> 02:24:32,077
that's about as woo as I get I don't know
>> that is the nature of the fabric of the

2612
02:24:32,160 --> 02:24:35,517
universe or do you think that this has
something to do with extraterrestrial

2613
02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:38,637
>> I think that's like almost like going
back to remote viewing because you know

2614
02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:42,557
the Stargate program grill flame all
the different names it had like that was

2615
02:24:42,640 --> 02:24:46,717
adjacent to the program why do you think
we were doing the psychic spying program

2616
02:24:46,800 --> 02:24:50,637
besides competing with the Soviets
and Chinese on the same topic is because

2617
02:24:50,720 --> 02:24:54,157
That's the key unlock to some of the
technology potentially if you could

2618
02:24:54,240 --> 02:24:57,597
figure out how to it's a it's what like
they call it like BCI brain computer

2619
02:24:57,680 --> 02:24:59,757
interface but like clearly there's some

2620
02:24:59,840 --> 02:25:03,677
sort of organic to tech interface and

2621
02:25:03,760 --> 02:25:07,517
and it's clearly consciousness
based >> um not to digress on your

2622
02:25:07,600 --> 02:25:12,397
>> no but this is what Lazar said as well
that there was no instruments and that

2623
02:25:12,480 --> 02:25:16,637
these things controlled this with their
mind. It depends on the class of vehicle

2624
02:25:16,720 --> 02:25:20,717
and like there's like really weird
that we have no idea how it works to

2625
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:22,077
like oh that kind of looks familiar.

2626
02:25:22,160 --> 02:25:24,077
>> What's the weirdest of the really weird

2627
02:25:24,160 --> 02:25:26,077
>> Um I mean you just have like the eggs

2628
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:29,357
and stuff. They're like usually unmanned

2629
02:25:29,440 --> 02:25:33,437
>> usually and it's like is this like
a probe? It's just it's like a

2630
02:25:33,520 --> 02:25:37,437
egg, you know, like and um I know
Jake Barber has talked about publicly

2631
02:25:37,520 --> 02:25:41,757
recovering them, you know, and uh >>
you know, I heard I you know, heard

2632
02:25:41,840 --> 02:25:45,117
about that elsewhere, people who were
were dealing with that. It's just kind

2633
02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:48,717
of weird. It's like this amorphous thing.
It's like the movie like Arrival,

2634
02:25:48,800 --> 02:25:51,757
right? You >> right.
That that's a great movie.

2635
02:25:51,840 --> 02:25:54,077
>> Is Yeah.
Is the technology like embedded

2636
02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:56,477
in the skin? Like what is going on here?

2637
02:25:56,560 --> 02:25:58,237
There's like no no obvious control

2638
02:25:58,320 --> 02:26:01,437
surfaces like what what's going on? So,

2639
02:26:01,520 --> 02:26:04,557
>> right. Um,
what what kind of timeline do

2640
02:26:04,640 --> 02:26:08,477
you think we're looking at in terms
of like really changing the world?

2641
02:26:08,560 --> 02:26:13,437
>> I think the the basic affirmation, the
threshold disclosure, you know, call it

2642
02:26:13,520 --> 02:26:17,917
we're not alone, we have stuff kind
of thing. It has to happen before Trump

2643
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:21,917
leaves because I don't trust another
president to follow through on the

2644
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:25,357
president's directive because,
you know, it's the the the

2645
02:26:25,440 --> 02:26:28,237
>> the next administration can be like,
"We're peeling that back, baby. We're

2646
02:26:28,320 --> 02:26:30,077
not touching this again."
And so, of course,

2647
02:26:30,160 --> 02:26:31,757
>> I think he has to do
it before he leaves

2648
02:26:31,840 --> 02:26:34,637
office. And if I were um advising the

2649
02:26:34,720 --> 02:26:37,997
president and if the team's listening, I

2650
02:26:38,080 --> 02:26:41,997
would do it at least 6 months before
the election just so there's some sort of

2651
02:26:42,080 --> 02:26:44,957
recovery period and kind of uh and

2652
02:26:45,040 --> 02:26:49,517
whatnot. But, uh I'm just a dude
obviously. I want it as soon as possible

2653
02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:51,437
like most Americans listening to this.

2654
02:26:51,520 --> 02:26:55,517
>> How do you envision that something like
that would take place? Would they have a

2655
02:26:55,600 --> 02:26:58,877
broadcast? where they
show video and explain.

2656
02:26:58,960 --> 02:27:01,997
>> That was a plan at one point
for a previous administration is they were

2657
02:27:02,080 --> 02:27:04,077
going to have like a one
of those like government

2658
02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:07,037
>> this the Bush administration
with the how put off days.

2659
02:27:07,120 --> 02:27:10,477
>> No, this was uh HW. >> Oh

2660
02:27:10,560 --> 02:27:13,517
>> yeah. And so I'm sure the video sucked.

2661
02:27:13,600 --> 02:27:16,877
It was probably has some synth wave
government, you know, film from like the

2662
02:27:16,960 --> 02:27:20,397
1989 like, you know, and it was probably

2663
02:27:20,480 --> 02:27:23,037
going to be horrible and dry, but there

2664
02:27:23,120 --> 02:27:27,677
was going to be this like audiovisisual
kind of a a companion to some sort of

2665
02:27:27,760 --> 02:27:32,397
announcement. Now, I don't know all the
the the specific details after that. Um,

2666
02:27:32,480 --> 02:27:34,557
clearly there has to be
a physical roll out for

2667
02:27:34,640 --> 02:27:38,237
>> God, I hope that video exists. It's out
there in the archive somewhere. We could

2668
02:27:38,320 --> 02:27:41,277
watch it after disclosure. >> I know.
We need to have like a throwback

2669
02:27:41,360 --> 02:27:42,957
like what you know to see the old come.

2670
02:27:43,040 --> 02:27:44,797
>> Well, if you think about like how long

2671
02:27:44,880 --> 02:27:47,997
it's been that people have like slowly

2672
02:27:48,080 --> 02:27:52,637
become more and more aware of this. It's
it seems like a long time but our lives

2673
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:54,077
are very short. >> Yeah.

2674
02:27:54,160 --> 02:27:56,637
>> And the the reality is if this thing

2675
02:27:56,720 --> 02:28:00,477
this this phenomenon has coexisted with

2676
02:28:00,560 --> 02:28:04,477
human beings and I guided
us aided us in some way

2677
02:28:04,560 --> 02:28:07,437
>> and that's why I don't think people
should be too fearful. I mean obviously

2678
02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:09,037
there's a yin and yang in the universe.

2679
02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:13,837
There's malevolent, benevolent,
but clearly there's some homeostasis going

2680
02:28:13,920 --> 02:28:15,997
on right now. And there's been this

2681
02:28:16,080 --> 02:28:21,117
called cohabitation, for the lack of a
better way to describe it. And and and

2682
02:28:21,200 --> 02:28:23,677
clearly nothing >> crazy has happened. So

2683
02:28:23,760 --> 02:28:28,797
>> some of this is in conjunction with AI
becoming sentient and that this was a

2684
02:28:28,880 --> 02:28:31,277
part of the process. >> I

2685
02:28:31,360 --> 02:28:35,837
don't know that to be a fact. However,
I like I said earlier in the interview, I

2686
02:28:35,920 --> 02:28:37,597
am fearful that AI is going to figure

2687
02:28:37,680 --> 02:28:39,917
some of this out, whether it be

2688
02:28:40,000 --> 02:28:45,437
>> tech technology stuff or um the fact
that we're not alone just by looking at

2689
02:28:45,520 --> 02:28:49,117
all the disparit databases
and correlating data um especially if it

2690
02:28:49,200 --> 02:28:51,037
gets connected to any sort of genetic

2691
02:28:51,120 --> 02:28:53,197
record, medical records, sensing system.

2692
02:28:53,280 --> 02:28:57,997
And I think that's a real um threat that

2693
02:28:58,080 --> 02:29:01,517
if I were to advise the White House,
they need to think about that like

2694
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:03,517
third-party unexpected disclosure

2695
02:29:03,600 --> 02:29:08,637
pathway that super intell artificial
super intelligence provides both from a

2696
02:29:08,720 --> 02:29:12,637
technology risk perspective but also
revealing some of this too and and once

2697
02:29:12,720 --> 02:29:14,397
again

2698
02:29:14,480 --> 02:29:17,357
uh you know that artificial siliconbased

2699
02:29:17,440 --> 02:29:21,917
AI is like is that the infrastructure
that we need to communicate to some of

2700
02:29:22,000 --> 02:29:24,877
this organic intelligence too because
it's able to learn and figure out

2701
02:29:24,960 --> 02:29:29,837
modalities of communication.
I don't know. So, >> it's pretty crazy.

2702
02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:31,277
>> Okay. It's a lot to absorb, Dave.

2703
02:29:31,360 --> 02:29:33,277
>> I know. >> Thank you very
much for being here, man.

2704
02:29:33,360 --> 02:29:36,717
I appreciate it. It's always great
to talk to you and thank you for all your

2705
02:29:36,800 --> 02:29:39,197
hard work and exposing all this stuff.

2706
02:29:39,280 --> 02:29:42,157
>> I mean, I really wonder like if it
wasn't for you doing all this, how much

2707
02:29:42,240 --> 02:29:44,557
would we know? >> I don't know,
man. I just I hope this is

2708
02:29:44,640 --> 02:29:50,157
the last time I got to send it on on
an interview. And uh it's been tough.

2709
02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:53,837
Really tough. like it's been debilitating.
I've gone through a lot,

2710
02:29:53,920 --> 02:29:57,677
you know, it's been in danger and I've
done a lot of stuff for this country

2711
02:29:57,760 --> 02:30:02,717
over the years, but I'm honored to be
that guy, I guess, and and and risk it

2712
02:30:02,800 --> 02:30:06,157
all to, you know, unveil this truth
because it really was a core secret of

2713
02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:08,797
the United States. So,
>> I certainly think it moves the needle.

2714
02:30:08,880 --> 02:30:13,960
Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you.
All right. Bye, everybody.