WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.277 I think the story of Doge from your [music] perspective has never been told. 00:00:03.360 --> 00:00:04.797 Do you think you were successful? 00:00:04.880 --> 00:00:06.157 >> We're a little a little bit successful. 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:07.677 We were some somewhat successful. 00:00:07.760 --> 00:00:08.797 >> Would you ever do Doge again? 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:12.317 >> Um I mean, no. I don't think so. I think 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:16.317 in instead of doing Doge, I I would have basically [music] 00:00:16.400 --> 00:00:20.717 built, you know, worked on my companies essentially and not and the cars would 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:22.237 they wouldn't have been running the cars. 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:23.757 >> What's your biggest irrational fear? 00:00:23.840 --> 00:00:25.467 >> I I try not to have irrational fears. 00:00:25.550 --> 00:00:29.677 [music] >> None. If I find an irrational fear, I squelch it 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:31.437 >> if you had [music] to start from scratch 00:00:31.520 --> 00:00:34.317 today with only $1,000. What would you do? 00:00:34.400 --> 00:00:38.157 >> Well, I did I did originally come to uh North America with like I don't know 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:41.517 2500 bucks Canadian, so I don't know, maybe two grand us. At [music] this 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:44.237 point, I have a lot of knowledge. A lot of things have to go wrong for that to 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:47.917 be the case. It's like, am I just emerging from 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:53.800 prison perhaps [laughter] with a stipend? 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:05.837 Hi everyone and welcome to this week's episode of the Katie Miller podcast. We 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:10.237 are in Texas today joined by the one and only Elon Musk. 00:01:10.320 --> 00:01:12.237 >> Uh nice to see you again Katie. 00:01:12.320 --> 00:01:14.797 >> Nice to see you Elon. So I want to take 00:01:14.880 --> 00:01:19.117 us back. It's January 20th. You are in 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.357 the Roosevelt room, if you remember this, getting sworn in and they hand you 00:01:23.440 --> 00:01:25.197 a computer and a phone. >> Right. Right. 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:27.677 >> I want to go back to what happened next. 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:31.837 I think the story of Doge from your perspective has never been told. What 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:33.757 was your first thought on how Doge was 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:39.560 going to proceed? >> Well, um 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:41.677 I guess I couldn't believe I was there. 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:44.877 Uh, for the most part it's like 00:01:44.960 --> 00:01:50.077 um it's all seemed extremely surreal at the time. you know, Doge was a madeup 00:01:50.160 --> 00:01:53.917 name um that had been made up, I don't know, 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.157 two or three months before 00:01:56.240 --> 00:02:01.197 um and um based on internet suggestions 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:04.797 and um I was going to call the Government 00:02:04.880 --> 00:02:09.997 Efficiency Commission and then and then um someone on the internet said, "No, it 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:13.357 should be the Department of Government Efficiency, Dog." 00:02:13.440 --> 00:02:15.757 I'm like, "That sounds great." 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:19.720 Um, so 00:02:20.160 --> 00:02:22.477 we just kind of made up an apartment. 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:25.757 >> Do you think you were successful? 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:27.277 >> We're a little a little bit successful. 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:32.520 We were some somewhat successful. Um, 00:02:33.600 --> 00:02:37.037 I mean, we we we stopped a lot of [snorts] 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:40.397 funding for um that that that really 00:02:40.480 --> 00:02:42.397 just made no sense. That was just 00:02:42.480 --> 00:02:46.077 entirely wasteful. where like for 00:02:46.160 --> 00:02:49.277 example there was like 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:50.877 probably 100 maybe $200 billion dollars 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:53.597 worth of zombie payments per year uh 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:56.477 which uh simply by 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:58.157 um 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:03.757 enforcing that there be a payment code 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:07.677 and an explanation for the payment uh 00:03:07.760 --> 00:03:10.077 that the payment would not go out. So, 00:03:10.160 --> 00:03:13.197 we've made that change to the main 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:15.277 treasury computer and bunch of other 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:18.637 computers. Um, it's like it seems like 00:03:18.720 --> 00:03:24.077 insanely obvious. Um, but 00:03:24.160 --> 00:03:28.237 uh there are just call it I two or 3% of 00:03:28.320 --> 00:03:30.797 government payments that go out that uh 00:03:30.880 --> 00:03:34.077 really should not be going out. Um, and 00:03:34.160 --> 00:03:39.597 it's actually quite hard to stop. Um so 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:43.197 um it's a it's a pretty rare individual 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:47.917 that would um 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:50.637 ask the government to stop sending them money. 00:03:50.720 --> 00:03:51.917 >> Would you ever do Doge again? 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:57.117 >> Um do you mean would I repeat history or or would I 00:03:57.200 --> 00:04:00.397 >> two ways to think about it? One is if you could go back and start from scratch 00:04:00.480 --> 00:04:04.477 like it's January 20th all again. Would you go back and do it differently? And 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:06.477 knowing what you know now, do you think 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:09.677 there's ever a place to restart 00:04:09.760 --> 00:04:16.027 you? Not saying others in yourstead, you go back and restart doing Doge. 00:04:16.110 --> 00:04:16.557 [sighs] 00:04:16.640 --> 00:04:19.917 >> I mean, no, I don't think so. Um, would 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:24.157 I do I I think I probably 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:29.197 I don't know. Um, >> would you do Doge again knowing what you know now? 00:04:29.280 --> 00:04:31.037 I mean the thing is like I think in 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:33.997 instead of doing Doge I I would have 00:04:34.080 --> 00:04:37.757 basically built 00:04:37.840 --> 00:04:42.557 you know worked on my companies essentially. So and not and the cars 00:04:42.640 --> 00:04:43.597 would they wouldn't have been burning 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:45.997 the cars. Um 00:04:46.080 --> 00:04:50.237 >> you gave up a lot to do. Uh yeah, 00:04:50.320 --> 00:04:55.437 like if you if you if you stop money going uh to 00:04:55.520 --> 00:04:58.557 uh going going for political corruption, 00:04:58.640 --> 00:05:01.917 they will they will lash out big time. 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.477 >> Mhm. >> Um 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:06.557 so they really want the money to keep 00:05:06.640 --> 00:05:10.157 flowing. Um, 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:13.597 so if you stop it from flowing, there's 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:18.397 like a very strong reaction to to stopping the money flowing. 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:22.237 >> After you were in DC for a while, did you become disillusioned with how it 00:05:22.320 --> 00:05:25.037 operates? 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.197 >> Well, I I wouldn't say I was super 00:05:27.280 --> 00:05:32.157 illusioned to begin with. Uh, it it I mean, I guess it's just like you really 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:34.157 want the least amount done by government 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:37.837 possible. The least amount 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:40.717 I I I I guess maybe maybe like the the 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:45.677 biggest thing is that I guess the biggest single thing is is that the 00:05:45.760 --> 00:05:47.117 there there are massive transfer 00:05:47.200 --> 00:05:53.037 payments going to um illegal immigrants 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:57.197 um like massive essentially we're paying 00:05:57.280 --> 00:05:59.997 people to come here from somewhere else 00:06:00.080 --> 00:06:03.437 um in vast numbers including flying them 00:06:03.520 --> 00:06:06.157 in. So, like it's not like you need a 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.477 border wall if you're flying them in. 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:11.997 Um, then fasttracking them to 00:06:12.080 --> 00:06:14.957 citizenship and 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:18.157 um making them beholden to to government 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:22.717 payments um and uh 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:26.557 and voting hard left. That's that's 00:06:26.640 --> 00:06:29.917 essentially it's like voter importation. 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.237 If if if you if you create a gigantic 00:06:32.320 --> 00:06:37.357 money magnet to um you say if anyone 00:06:37.440 --> 00:06:40.237 comes here from anywhere else, we're going to pay you t tons of money, give 00:06:40.320 --> 00:06:43.517 you lots of free stuff. Um 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.477 come come come to America and and get 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:51.197 paid to do so. Um 00:06:51.280 --> 00:06:56.157 like you're going to get a lot of people taking up on that offer. Um and people 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:57.837 say like this this this is fake. I'm 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:01.037 like, uh, actually, well, let's look at, 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:05.597 um, you know, Elon Omar, who was 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:08.477 literally was voted into power, voted 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:12.317 into Congress by, uh, you know, large 00:07:12.400 --> 00:07:16.797 group of people from Somalia, who are in Minnesota, which is really far from 00:07:16.880 --> 00:07:18.317 Somalia, 00:07:18.400 --> 00:07:20.077 or Mandani, 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:24.797 who was voted as to be to be mayor. 00:07:24.880 --> 00:07:26.627 But if if but 00:07:26.710 --> 00:07:27.197 >> [clears throat] 00:07:27.280 --> 00:07:31.997 >> by a majority of people who are not um 00:07:32.080 --> 00:07:34.717 born in America. 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:38.717 That's my understanding at least. Um so 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:42.877 um and then then California say big time 00:07:42.960 --> 00:07:47.197 um situation. So 00:07:47.280 --> 00:07:48.557 uh I don't we just don't want to turn 00:07:48.640 --> 00:07:52.957 into a um 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:56.077 you know communist hell hole basically. 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:59.277 If you've said in the future that no one's going to need to worry about money 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:02.957 or work because AI is going to take care 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:06.637 of the rest, AI and robotics. What do you mean that people won't have to work 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:10.237 in the future? >> Assuming the current trend of artificial 00:08:10.320 --> 00:08:12.477 intelligence and robotics continues, 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:17.277 which seems likely, the um AI and robots 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:19.997 will be able to do anything 00:08:20.080 --> 00:08:23.277 that that humans want to want them to do 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:25.997 essentially. So hopefully not more than 00:08:26.080 --> 00:08:27.997 that, but 00:08:28.080 --> 00:08:31.037 AI and robotics will be able to 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:35.357 provide us provide all the goods and services that 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:40.317 anyone could possibly want. So >> but you wouldn't need to work 00:08:40.400 --> 00:08:43.917 like what would you do with your free time? 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:47.117 >> People people will be able to do whatever they want with their free time. 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:50.957 Um work will be optional. 00:08:51.040 --> 00:08:54.237 I I mean I just want to separate out from like what I wish would happen 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.877 versus what I predict will happen because people get confused about that. 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:00.317 They think that what I predict will happen is what I want it to happen. 00:09:00.400 --> 00:09:01.757 >> What I want what I predict to happen is 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:03.677 not the same as what I want to happen. 00:09:03.760 --> 00:09:08.717 >> Um I if if I could I I would 00:09:08.800 --> 00:09:11.917 I would certainly slow down uh AI and 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:18.920 robotics, but I I can't. It seems to be well 00:09:19.040 --> 00:09:20.957 it's it's it's advancing at a very rapid 00:09:21.040 --> 00:09:23.837 pace. Um whether I like it or not. 00:09:23.920 --> 00:09:26.877 >> Is AI what keeps you up at night? 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:30.237 >> It used to be this point. I don't know. 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:33.117 I I I wouldn't say there's there's 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:34.557 nothing particularly keeping me up at 00:09:34.640 --> 00:09:37.997 night right now except that. 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:41.197 But if you say what 00:09:41.280 --> 00:09:42.637 what where do I wake up in nightmares? 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:46.290 Oh, AI. Yeah. Actually, [laughter] 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:49.197 I've had a lot of AI nightmares. Uh I I 00:09:49.280 --> 00:09:55.517 I had AI nightmares many days in a row. 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:57.197 >> What am I supposed to do about it? 00:09:57.280 --> 00:10:00.557 >> What's your biggest irrational fear? 00:10:00.640 --> 00:10:03.597 >> Um I I I try not to have irrational fears. 00:10:03.680 --> 00:10:04.797 >> None. 00:10:04.880 --> 00:10:08.637 >> If I find an irrational fear, I squelch 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:12.877 it. I I I don't believe fear is fear is 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:17.517 the mind killer. So how about somebody who feels fear strongly? 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:20.477 >> Well, on average, how many hours do you sleep a night? 00:10:20.560 --> 00:10:24.477 >> Six. You can tell based on my exposts. 00:10:24.560 --> 00:10:27.597 >> Yes, you can. >> People have actually mapped them so you 00:10:27.680 --> 00:10:31.277 it's very clear when I'm sleeping and when I'm not. 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:33.917 Um, I tried having less than 6 hours 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:36.877 sleep, but um, although I'm awake more 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:39.917 hours per day, my cognitive function is 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:44.477 reduced. So, my natural sleep, I actually timed it with the phone. They 00:10:44.560 --> 00:10:46.237 can get a phone app, but time it. It's 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:50.157 like five 5 hours 56 minutes. 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:54.237 That's what the phone said. >> What's an average day for you look like? 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.557 >> Well, I have a lot of inbound 00:10:56.640 --> 00:10:59.117 communication. 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:02.637 So, it's information triage. I try to 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:05.757 segment the days so that there's not too 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.757 much context switching because arguably fear is not the mind killer. Context 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:11.677 switching is 00:11:11.760 --> 00:11:14.237 hard not to context switch if you've got 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:18.957 an inbox full of stuff. Um, 00:11:19.040 --> 00:11:22.717 but you can think like if you had to context switch every 00:11:22.800 --> 00:11:25.597 3 seconds or every 30 seconds or every 3 00:11:25.680 --> 00:11:29.357 minutes, the context switching 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:33.357 cognitive penalty would be very high every 3 seconds. 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.917 >> And you're talking about switching between say Tesla X, XAI, 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:41.277 >> SpaceX personal, >> SpaceX personal 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:43.677 >> and but even within Tesla and and SpaceX 00:11:43.760 --> 00:11:48.317 there are many different things. getting this sort of the stuff on X like random 00:11:48.400 --> 00:11:51.917 news things um you know people being burned alive 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:55.517 and stuff like that you're like what the hell's going on in this country 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:58.237 >> who's the funniest person you know in real life 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:02.957 >> you know President Trump is very funny he's got a great sense of humor 00:12:03.040 --> 00:12:05.677 >> President Trump is very funny >> he's very funny he's like naturally 00:12:05.760 --> 00:12:09.117 funny was it's somewhat e effortless I 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:11.757 mean um you know when he was had Ed 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:15.757 Mumdani in the office and Uh 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.037 they asked him if he saw thought the president was a fascist and the 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:21.517 president said just say yes. It's easier that way. 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:24.140 >> Yeah. [laughter] 00:12:24.880 --> 00:12:28.397 >> Don't worry about it. Just say yes. 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:33.310 Awesome. >> He's like you guys. [laughter] 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:39.917 What a what a how silly. >> Who do you look up to the most? 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:41.517 >> The creator. 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:44.877 >> What's your current position on God? 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:49.117 Uh, God is the creator. >> You don't believe in God though, do you? 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:53.757 >> Well, I believe there was this universe came for something. 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:57.117 People have different labels. >> When's the last time you did something 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:01.037 extremely ordinary like go to Target or CVS? 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:04.877 I can't go to things where there's the general public 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:07.997 because um 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:12.317 I I im there there's an immediate can I 00:13:12.400 --> 00:13:15.277 have a selfie line that forms and and 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:17.677 these days in particularly in light of 00:13:17.760 --> 00:13:20.877 Charlie Ko's murder there are serious um 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:23.277 security issues. 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:24.797 It's not that I don't want to. I simply 00:13:24.880 --> 00:13:27.997 can't. Has Charlie's murder changed how 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:30.877 you do things or were you already locked 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:35.277 down pretty well before that? >> It certainly reinforced the severity of 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:39.677 the situation where life is on hardcore mode. You make one 00:13:39.760 --> 00:13:44.477 mistake and you're dead and it only takes one one mistake. 00:13:44.560 --> 00:13:48.557 >> What's one moment in your life that you could live again just to feel it? 00:13:48.640 --> 00:13:49.837 Well, I mean, obviously when my kids 00:13:49.920 --> 00:13:55.117 were born or um the first time SpaceX 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:58.797 got to orbit or Tesla made an electric 00:13:58.880 --> 00:14:02.397 car work, >> you've had a big a lot of them. 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:05.277 >> It's a lot of It's a lot of things. 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:11.357 There's a lot coming down the pike >> like what >> starship 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:14.077 um the the degree to which a starship is 00:14:14.160 --> 00:14:16.717 a revolutionary technology is not well 00:14:16.800 --> 00:14:21.357 understood in the world. Um 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:23.357 it's the first time that there's been 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:27.357 any rocket design where full and rapid 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:28.877 reusability is possible or full 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:32.797 reusability at all is possible. Um 00:14:32.880 --> 00:14:35.517 this this is the first design where a 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.997 reusable rocket can um is one of the possible outcomes 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:42.237 where success is in the set of possible outcomes. 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:45.277 >> Are you talking about in V3 or V2? 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:47.917 >> Well, we could have made V2 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.077 um 00:14:50.160 --> 00:14:53.277 reusable, but the but we there were a 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:55.677 lot of performance improvements for V3, 00:14:55.760 --> 00:14:58.957 so it made sense to go to V3. 00:14:59.040 --> 00:15:01.597 They're just there's like 10,000 00:15:01.680 --> 00:15:04.637 different changes uh between V2 and B3, 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:09.837 maybe more than 10,000 really. Um so 00:15:09.920 --> 00:15:14.717 um but Starship, if if there are historians in the 00:15:14.800 --> 00:15:17.997 future, I'll look back and at Starship and say it was one of the most profound 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:20.077 things that ever happened. Now you can 00:15:20.160 --> 00:15:21.997 think of 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:25.037 historic events as where would they fit 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:27.597 on the 00:15:27.680 --> 00:15:31.437 in the evolutionary hall of fame. So 00:15:31.520 --> 00:15:33.837 you've got things like single cell life. 00:15:33.920 --> 00:15:35.597 Then you've got um you know 00:15:35.680 --> 00:15:38.477 multisellular life 00:15:38.560 --> 00:15:41.997 uh capturing a mitochondria 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:46.717 capturing mitochondria so that you have a power cell in the plant in the cell. 00:15:46.800 --> 00:15:50.957 Good. We've got like a power plant in the cell. Um, 00:15:51.040 --> 00:15:53.517 you've got, you know, differentiation 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:55.837 into plants and animals, life going from 00:15:55.920 --> 00:15:58.557 oceans to land. 00:15:58.640 --> 00:16:02.957 And then also on that scale, probably in the top 10 is life becoming 00:16:03.040 --> 00:16:05.357 multilanetary. 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:07.917 There just aren't very many things that 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.757 are in the top 10 of the evolution of 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.637 life or where you could basically say 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:19.917 you could evaluate any given uh civilization or any given life form 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:21.437 as 00:16:21.520 --> 00:16:24.077 you know on on that 00:16:24.160 --> 00:16:27.597 on that scale. Um 00:16:27.680 --> 00:16:31.677 so life becoming multilanetary it's on the top 10. 00:16:31.760 --> 00:16:33.357 Um it needs to be sustainably multi 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.877 multilanetary. So not just visiting 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:40.957 um but actually 00:16:41.040 --> 00:16:45.197 multilanetary in the sense that if 00:16:45.280 --> 00:16:50.557 you have planetary redundancy so if one of the planets um if there were to be a 00:16:50.640 --> 00:16:54.157 catastrophe on one of the planets the other planet would survive. 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.837 >> Are all of your companies >> starship is capable of doing that for 00:16:57.920 --> 00:17:01.357 the first time in history and no AI was used to create it. So the AI will 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.957 appreciate that. Are all of your companies working 00:17:05.040 --> 00:17:08.077 towards that same goal to help 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:10.877 us become multilanetary? 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:12.957 Like does the AI exist to be able to 00:17:13.040 --> 00:17:15.517 help life on Mars or is that primarily 00:17:15.600 --> 00:17:19.997 for what is happening here currently? 00:17:20.080 --> 00:17:21.677 >> You know Tesla is mostly about making 00:17:21.760 --> 00:17:25.597 sure life on Earth is good 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:30.957 and as NXAI is about that too because multilanetary means Earth's got to be 00:17:31.040 --> 00:17:32.477 good and you need another planet. 00:17:32.560 --> 00:17:34.957 Sometimes people think uh because they 00:17:35.040 --> 00:17:37.197 they have 00:17:37.280 --> 00:17:40.157 you know um legacy templates, mental 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:43.437 templates, they think that going to Mars 00:17:43.520 --> 00:17:48.957 is an escape from Earth. Um like or that it would be some 00:17:49.040 --> 00:17:52.957 you know place where billionaires would go or something like that. Um but but 00:17:53.040 --> 00:17:57.677 actually Mars will be very dangerous and the moon base will be al also dangerous 00:17:57.760 --> 00:18:02.317 much more dangerous um and much less comfortable than Earth. Um, so the 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:03.757 people that would go in the early days 00:18:03.840 --> 00:18:06.397 to make life multilanetary on Mars or 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:10.157 the moon, they would have a much higher 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:14.877 risk of death um than if then if they stayed on Earth. 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:18.477 Um, and things would be cramped and uncomfortable. 00:18:18.560 --> 00:18:22.717 So that's that's the sales pitch for Mars. It's it's going to be 00:18:22.800 --> 00:18:24.637 uncomfortable. The food won't be as good 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:28.477 as Earth. Uh, you might die. 00:18:28.560 --> 00:18:31.917 It's going to be a mass amount of hard work. 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:36.557 And um it may not succeed. That's the sales pitch. 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:39.037 >> Do you want to go? >> Same as when people came to America. 00:18:39.120 --> 00:18:42.237 >> Yeah. You didn't want to be in Jamestown. 00:18:42.320 --> 00:18:45.677 >> People went anyway. >> Yeah. Maybe if there had been social 00:18:45.760 --> 00:18:48.317 media back then they would have saying 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:51.197 uh we're all dying. Here's videos of us 00:18:51.280 --> 00:18:54.237 dying would have probably put a damper 00:18:54.320 --> 00:18:58.957 on future voyages. But um yeah, they just whole bunch of people just 00:18:59.040 --> 00:19:00.717 disappeared. They don't know what happened to them. 00:19:00.800 --> 00:19:04.237 >> You talk a lot on X about wardrobe 00:19:04.320 --> 00:19:07.757 >> and how you wish current wardrobe would be differently. 00:19:07.840 --> 00:19:09.357 >> I just think like from a fashion 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:13.917 standpoint, we should evolve. Um like my 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:19.037 son Saxon said at one point, why does everything look like it's 2015? And I 00:19:19.120 --> 00:19:23.037 was like, damn, things do everything does look like it's 2015. 00:19:23.120 --> 00:19:27.357 He's like, if you took a picture from 2015 and said 2025, 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:31.277 it looks exactly the same. There were >> stylistically 00:19:31.360 --> 00:19:35.677 >> things were the same as 2015. We have not we've not moved the needle in a 00:19:35.760 --> 00:19:38.877 decade. >> So what should it look like? 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:43.837 >> Something new. You know, like the 60s had a definitive style. The 70s had a 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:48.637 definitive style. The ' 80s had a definitive style. And then the ' 90s 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:50.637 also had a different had a style. But 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:53.677 then you start looking at the 2000s and 00:19:53.760 --> 00:19:56.077 the 2010s and it's like less and less 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.197 every year. I think we should if our 00:19:59.280 --> 00:20:03.597 style I and and if you look at some of the 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:05.837 older paintings 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:10.237 um you know of past cabinet secretaries 00:20:10.320 --> 00:20:15.437 um some of them like they look cool like their their jackets are cooler than what 00:20:15.520 --> 00:20:17.197 we have right now you know they have 00:20:17.280 --> 00:20:22.477 sort of like a high collar and like a sort of I don't know what some sort of 00:20:22.560 --> 00:20:25.277 what what do you call those things ascot or something like that 00:20:25.360 --> 00:20:28.077 >> I mean it just looks cool like so But we 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:31.037 we don't everything's like a very normal 00:20:31.120 --> 00:20:36.157 looking suit at this point. But like literally the same as 2015. I'm being 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:38.237 generous because arguably the same as 2010. 00:20:38.320 --> 00:20:41.917 >> Yeah. >> So in 15 years and and I'm like from a 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:45.197 fashion standpoint, I don't think we've moved since 00:20:45.280 --> 00:20:49.517 2000 in 25 years. If you showed someone a 00:20:49.600 --> 00:20:53.357 picture of this is a bunch of this is a bunch of dudes in 20 2000. This is a 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:56.477 bunch of dudes in 2025. 00:20:56.560 --> 00:21:01.197 which year is which? So, I think we should I don't know, spice it up a 00:21:01.280 --> 00:21:04.557 little. >> What's a conspiracy theory you believe in? 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.837 >> I mean, which which conspiracy theories haven't come true at this point. We've 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:11.517 run out of conspiracy theories that because they will come true 00:21:11.600 --> 00:21:13.117 >> as far as I can tell. >> Yeah. 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:17.837 >> Um I mean, I don't know of any aliens. People has 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:20.077 asked me if there's there are aliens. I 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:24.397 have seen no evidence of aliens. Um, no 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:30.157 one on the SpaceX senior team has any 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:32.877 evidence of aliens because I've asked team like, "Guys, am I missing 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:34.957 something?" 00:21:35.040 --> 00:21:39.917 Has anyone on the team has anyone's seen any evidence of aliens? 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:41.837 >> Does that include UFOs? 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:43.277 >> That's just an unidentified blank 00:21:43.360 --> 00:21:48.397 object. So, so UFOs like it could be 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:52.797 like some new weapons program or whatever. that's, you know, some 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:57.197 hypersonic missile or something like that. That that would be technically a 00:21:57.280 --> 00:21:59.197 UFO, but it's it's just it's just 00:21:59.280 --> 00:22:02.637 basically some weapons prototype. 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:05.117 That's not it's not like aliens. 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:09.117 So, although Neil Armstrong, Neil A spelled 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:14.600 backwards as alien. Coincidence? 00:22:14.900 --> 00:22:18.957 [laughter] >> You believe we actually went to the moon though? 00:22:19.040 --> 00:22:22.797 Yes, we went to the moon a few times actually and played golf on the moon. 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:25.437 >> Okay. >> We didn't just go to the moon. We 00:22:25.520 --> 00:22:29.437 actually got a little bored and started 00:22:29.520 --> 00:22:33.197 playing golf on the moon. >> But why didn't the flag move? There's 00:22:33.280 --> 00:22:36.637 like that conspiracy. >> That was the jump the truck moment >> about the flag. 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:38.477 >> No, the playing golf on the moon. 00:22:38.560 --> 00:22:40.717 >> Okay. >> You know, it literally did. 00:22:40.800 --> 00:22:43.037 >> No, I understand that. >> Yeah. Yeah. 00:22:43.120 --> 00:22:45.677 >> Whacked a golf ball on the moon. 00:22:45.760 --> 00:22:49.677 >> Is there There's no gravity though, right? There is gravity 16. 00:22:49.760 --> 00:22:51.997 >> If it wasn't gravity, you would just float away. 00:22:52.080 --> 00:22:53.357 >> Okay. >> There's no atmosphere. 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:57.917 >> Okay, fair. >> But there is one sixth gravity. 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:00.797 >> What's the biggest misconception about you? 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:05.517 >> I don't know. How would I know? 00:23:05.600 --> 00:23:10.157 Uh, what do you think? >> I think it's And I get asked this a lot 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:12.157 when I do interviews about you. 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.157 >> Me? >> Oh, got I got asked. Everyone always 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:17.357 thinks you're a very difficult person to work for. Oh, 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:19.517 >> which you're I think you're very kind. 00:23:19.600 --> 00:23:23.117 >> Thanks. >> Like people think which you're you are [clears throat] 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:25.437 >> like a very demanding boss. I think that 00:23:25.520 --> 00:23:28.477 you are I've never heard you yell at any employee. 00:23:28.560 --> 00:23:30.957 >> Yeah. I don't yell. >> I think every employee who works at 00:23:31.040 --> 00:23:33.917 every single one of your companies is incredibly missiondriven, which is 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.557 unlike any other workplace I've ever seen. 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:40.157 >> Like Starbase is the most inspirational place you'll ever go to, right? 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.237 >> Everyone is there to work on a singular 00:23:42.320 --> 00:23:44.237 goal. And so I think to me the biggest 00:23:44.320 --> 00:23:48.157 misconception about you is how every 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:52.477 employee at all of your companies are fiercely loyal because it's all 00:23:52.560 --> 00:23:56.797 mission driven and you are a very good employer to work 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:01.037 for and I think people assume you are not 00:24:01.120 --> 00:24:02.637 >> right. Well why would they think anyone 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:09.320 would work at the companies? >> Yeah. Um, 00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:12.237 I mean talent I mean talented people can 00:24:12.320 --> 00:24:14.637 go work anywhere they want. 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:18.157 So they're only going to work at one of 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.757 my companies if they want to. And if 00:24:21.840 --> 00:24:25.357 they're mistreated in some way, they would they would leave and go work 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:27.277 somewhere else. >> How'd you come up with the idea for 00:24:27.360 --> 00:24:29.037 Starbase? 00:24:29.120 --> 00:24:33.437 >> Well, I think we needed a 00:24:33.520 --> 00:24:37.517 something inspirational. I can we we kind of have a lot of star 00:24:37.600 --> 00:24:41.117 things, you know. So, we got Starlink, Starship. 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:44.237 Well, where would Starship depart from 00:24:44.320 --> 00:24:47.117 Star Base? 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:52.157 I mean, Star Base is is as you've mentioned, it's it's like it's I think 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:53.757 it's probably the coolest place on Earth. 00:24:53.840 --> 00:24:54.557 >> I agree. 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:58.397 >> Um, and it used to it it used to be a 00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:01.837 sand bar down by the Rio Grand. I It's 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:04.957 only like three feet above sea level. 00:25:05.040 --> 00:25:08.397 Um, so we built a gigantic rocket 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:11.837 factory and 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:15.437 two giant launch towers 00:25:15.520 --> 00:25:17.917 uh down by the river literally with 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:20.397 inside of the Rio Grand 00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:23.437 and on on on an actual sandbar kind of 00:25:23.520 --> 00:25:25.677 had to have like an inspirational name. 00:25:25.760 --> 00:25:29.357 And then we made it a city so it's an 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.717 incorporated city like legally a city. 00:25:32.800 --> 00:25:36.957 Um, you don't you don't hear about new cities being formed that often. 00:25:37.040 --> 00:25:39.437 Um, >> the last time there was a company town, 00:25:39.520 --> 00:25:42.477 it was Disney World. 00:25:42.560 --> 00:25:45.597 >> Yeah. I think Ford had some kind of like 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:49.437 company town situations, but um but 00:25:49.520 --> 00:25:53.757 yeah, Disney World is it's literally his name. 00:25:53.840 --> 00:25:56.077 >> Yeah. >> I'm Walt Disney. This is my world. 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:59.037 >> Yeah. >> I've gone from land to world. 00:25:59.120 --> 00:26:02.317 Um, they got like incorporated as a city 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:06.637 and got tax exemption which was like a whole was a was a big deal. 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.797 >> Yeah. >> I've been to Disney World probably 10 times. 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:13.277 >> Really? >> Yeah. Maybe more than maybe more than 00:26:13.360 --> 00:26:19.117 10, but at least 10 times. >> Uh because uh Cape Canaveral is right by 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:20.077 Disney World. 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:23.037 >> This makes sense now. So when I'd have 00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:26.557 the kids, then I would um my older kids 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:28.317 and I was we're trying to get the rocket 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:32.557 launch from Cape Canaveral. Then um 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:36.237 you know the thing they'd want to do is go to Disney World uh or Harry 00:26:36.320 --> 00:26:40.237 Potterland. >> What's your favorite ride? 00:26:40.320 --> 00:26:44.637 >> I'm sort of tempted to say Space Mountain, I suppose. Yeah, probably 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:47.837 Space Mountain. I mean, I do think Space Mountain needs an upgrade. 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:51.677 >> It's a little herky jerky. the it doesn't look quite as fuss sci-fi as it 00:26:51.760 --> 00:26:53.997 used to. >> You know, it's it's like it's like the 00:26:54.080 --> 00:26:57.277 day before yesterday's tomorrow, 00:26:57.360 --> 00:27:02.557 but just till yesterday. >> What's your favorite age to parent of your kids? 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:06.637 >> Uh, generally kids are the most fun between five and 10. 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:11.517 >> Do you think humanity is inherently good or is it just trying to be? 00:27:11.600 --> 00:27:14.877 >> The concept of good wouldn't exist without humanity. I think I do think 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:20.317 humanity is on balance good. You know, I generally think like in 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:26.157 increasing the amount of consciousness in the universe is a good thing. 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:30.157 Trying to try to understand the nature of the universe, which you can only do 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:32.397 by increasing 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:35.437 the increasing conscious awareness. I 00:27:35.520 --> 00:27:37.277 mean, I have thought about like how how 00:27:37.360 --> 00:27:39.837 did we get here? Because if we did start 00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:43.597 out as a hydrogen gas cloud 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:47.677 that that sort of condensed and then 00:27:47.760 --> 00:27:51.117 formed stars and then these stars exploded 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:53.357 and then they recondensed, formed stars 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.317 again and then exploded again and then 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:01.757 eventually you get to us 13.8 billion years later. 00:28:01.840 --> 00:28:02.957 And one of the interesting questions to 00:28:03.040 --> 00:28:09.200 think about is how many times have your atoms been at the center of a star? 00:28:09.600 --> 00:28:12.557 I think it's like on average three or 00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:15.117 four times, something like that. Uh then 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.837 how many times will your atoms be at the 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:21.677 center of a star? Estimates vary, but it 00:28:21.760 --> 00:28:24.877 seems like we're roughly halfway. 00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:26.717 So your atoms likely to be at the center 00:28:26.800 --> 00:28:30.477 of the star maybe another four times or 00:28:30.560 --> 00:28:33.837 something like that. It's depends on what your predictions are for the 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:38.797 future. In terms of existence as measured by the 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:42.317 number of times your atoms will be at the center of a star, 00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:45.677 we seem to be roughly halfway. 00:28:45.760 --> 00:28:48.397 That really, you know, if you want to 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.877 look at the big picture, that's the really big picture. 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.477 >> What's one invention that's made us worse, not better? 00:28:56.560 --> 00:28:58.717 >> What's one adventure that's made us worse? 00:28:58.800 --> 00:29:02.877 >> Mhm. Invention. 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:06.157 Maybe short form video [laughter] 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.797 seems to be rotting people's brains. 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:13.437 >> What's one piece of technology you hope never gets invented? 00:29:13.520 --> 00:29:15.597 >> Hope that I hope never gets invented. 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.637 >> Like yeah, like it's going to destroy us 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:20.877 all 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:24.717 or you think with the proper safeguards? 00:29:24.800 --> 00:29:29.517 >> Well, I mean obviously I hope like that people don't invent a 00:29:29.600 --> 00:29:31.357 virus that can kill all humans. It's 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:36.797 like that's an obvious thing. Um >> I mean yeah generally I hope like 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:41.720 inventions that destroy consciousness are not invented. 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:43.277 >> I think the future's going to look very 00:29:43.360 --> 00:29:45.437 interesting. 00:29:45.520 --> 00:29:50.957 So I I it's I do have this theory about the the predicting the future which is 00:29:51.040 --> 00:29:54.397 that the most interesting outcome is the most likely. 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.797 um which if simulation theory is 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.637 accurate uh makes sense because 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.277 if anyone is simulating a wide range of 00:30:03.360 --> 00:30:05.517 futures they're going to stop the 00:30:05.600 --> 00:30:07.997 simulation when it gets boring because 00:30:08.080 --> 00:30:11.357 this is what we do in our reality. So if 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:13.757 if SpaceX is doing or Tesla doing 00:30:13.840 --> 00:30:16.077 simulations to understand how a car 00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:19.917 would work or robot or spaceship or 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:24.797 something like that, we we run all these simulations in the computer. Um and the 00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:28.477 simulations that um 00:30:28.560 --> 00:30:32.957 we pay attention to are the ones that that are the most interesting. like the 00:30:33.040 --> 00:30:35.917 the simulation where everything goes right on the rocket we actually don't 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.397 pay attention to because that's that's 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:40.797 not a the everything goes right 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.797 simulation is um is fine. So we we 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.397 actually test the 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.637 you know the when we simulate the the 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:52.877 rocket flight we'll actually test all 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.637 sorts of oddball situations but we don't 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:01.277 test it we we don't have the simulation be totally wrong because I mean like if 00:31:01.360 --> 00:31:05.037 the rocket just explodes immediately that's not not also not interesting. So 00:31:05.120 --> 00:31:06.957 it's it's like you you need to find the 00:31:07.040 --> 00:31:09.757 envelope of possible flight paths where 00:31:09.840 --> 00:31:13.357 the rocket can make it to orbit and uh 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:18.237 without exploding and then you you find those boundaries 00:31:18.320 --> 00:31:21.037 and then when you launch the actual rocket you try you make sure it stays 00:31:21.120 --> 00:31:23.357 within those boundaries. Or another way 00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:25.357 to think of it is like we could be an 00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:29.117 alien Netflix series 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:31.117 and that that series is only going to 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:35.117 get continued if our ratings are good. 00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:36.877 >> Are the ratings good? >> Yeah. 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.197 >> Okay. >> But but you can think of it like from a 00:31:39.280 --> 00:31:44.797 Darwinian standpoint applied if if you apply Darwin to simulation theory then 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.997 the only the most interesting simulations will continue. Therefore, 00:31:48.080 --> 00:31:51.837 the most interesting outcome is most likely because the uh it's either that 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.717 or annihilation. So, really, we have one goal. Keep it interesting. 00:31:56.800 --> 00:32:01.517 >> Do you think social media has made people more honest or more performative? 00:32:01.600 --> 00:32:04.957 >> Well, social media makes people more performative. 00:32:05.040 --> 00:32:09.117 Um, by the same token, you you you get more 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:10.717 real 00:32:10.800 --> 00:32:13.677 life video of of things that that are 00:32:13.760 --> 00:32:16.637 actually happening and and anything that 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.757 is very interesting will sp will will go 00:32:19.840 --> 00:32:23.757 viral on the internet. Um, so so you 00:32:23.840 --> 00:32:26.477 have both. you've got more performative 00:32:26.560 --> 00:32:28.237 where people are doing anything they can 00:32:28.320 --> 00:32:30.877 to get a few more views on their Tik Tok 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.997 video or whatever or their reels or 00:32:34.080 --> 00:32:37.517 maybe on their expost or something. Um 00:32:37.600 --> 00:32:41.917 and um so that's very performative, 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.957 but then you also see real life videos 00:32:45.040 --> 00:32:48.477 that are that challenge the narrative um 00:32:48.560 --> 00:32:53.117 but are nonetheless real. Is there any ex accounts you're surprised when you 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:56.397 changed it so people could see country of origin that wasn't in the United 00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:58.557 States that you thought was in the United States? 00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:00.237 >> I don't really think about it that much. 00:33:00.320 --> 00:33:01.997 I mean 00:33:02.080 --> 00:33:07.357 there's in a country of origin 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:10.637 we have to be a little careful about this. You you can actually technically 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.877 you just specify your region like you can say I'm in Asia or something like 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:18.637 that which is quite big. it but but it does make it a little harder that if 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.597 somebody is trying to pretend that they're 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:24.397 say a member of the American public or 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:26.637 in Europe or Africa wherever if if 00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.757 they're you know if everything about 00:33:29.840 --> 00:33:33.757 their account is from a different continent than they are pretending to be 00:33:33.840 --> 00:33:36.637 from it's uh gets a little harder to 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:41.597 pretend. We don't want to dox people but we kind 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:45.037 of think you're not really doxing someone if you say which continent 00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:46.477 they're from. Yeah, I think it's fair. 00:33:46.560 --> 00:33:49.597 >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, in every episode we've played 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:53.277 would you rather. Okay. Would you rather 00:33:53.360 --> 00:33:55.517 save humanity from extinction extinction 00:33:55.600 --> 00:34:00.920 on Earth or guarantee its survival on Mars? 00:34:01.520 --> 00:34:05.277 >> Uh it's it's a false dichotomy. I [clears throat] I I think I'd say uh 00:34:05.360 --> 00:34:07.757 guarantee Earth Earth's much better than 00:34:07.840 --> 00:34:12.797 Mars to be clear. Um Mars, but Mars is just our best option if we want to 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:16.717 become a multilanet species. This is really our our our only option. Um if 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:20.157 you want to become a multilanet species, you got Mars which is very difficult but 00:34:20.240 --> 00:34:22.637 not impossible. Uh Earth is much better 00:34:22.720 --> 00:34:27.357 than Mars but you know we can't uh I 00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:31.357 think it was Silkovsky or I think he said uh you know Earth is the cradle of 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:35.117 civilization but we can't stay in the cradle forever. 00:34:35.200 --> 00:34:39.597 >> Would you rather be a Marvel superhero or a Bond villain? 00:34:39.680 --> 00:34:43.597 I think it would depend on which Marvel superhero or which Bond villain. I 00:34:43.680 --> 00:34:47.677 suppose I'd rather be a Marvel superhero. 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:51.117 >> They did. They did model Iron Man in the movies after me. 00:34:51.200 --> 00:34:54.397 >> Yes. >> So, >> you were in the Iron Man movie, right? 00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:56.077 >> Yes. >> That's pretty cool. 00:34:56.160 --> 00:34:59.757 >> Yeah. Ro Down Jr. and Favro met with me 00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:02.877 >> uh to and toured SpaceX and stuff. So, 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:08.717 and in fact, Iron Man 2, a large part of the movie is filmed in SpaceX. 00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:10.877 >> Really? >> Yes. If you look at if you watch Iron 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.317 Man 2, you'll see it's a SpaceX factory is the actual background. 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:18.317 >> That's so cool. >> Yeah, it was cool. We had Scarlett 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.997 Johansson doing martial arts in the lobby, 00:35:22.080 --> 00:35:26.210 >> actually. [laughter] 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.477 Yeah. And you expect me to believe this is all 00:35:30.560 --> 00:35:34.717 real? It's a simulation. >> Exactly. 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:36.957 >> What are the odds? >> Yeah. 00:35:37.040 --> 00:35:39.037 >> I mean, if you were me >> No, I agree with you. 00:35:39.120 --> 00:35:42.397 >> Would you think >> this is real or a simulation? 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:44.077 >> Your life is a simulation. >> Yeah. 00:35:44.160 --> 00:35:45.677 >> Your life gets to be the simulation. 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.637 >> Yeah. And I'm like doing all the side quests and everything. 00:35:48.720 --> 00:35:51.997 >> Yeah. What's your best side quest? 00:35:52.080 --> 00:35:55.680 >> A doge. Probably. [laughter] 00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:00.157 >> Okay. Would you rather launch a social 00:36:00.240 --> 00:36:02.797 network with no algorithm or a rocket 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:07.277 with no manual override? >> Who came up with these questions? 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.997 >> Just keep going. >> These are funny. 00:36:10.080 --> 00:36:12.797 >> Maybe not to you [clears throat] cuz they're too trivial. 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:17.437 >> What do you mean? Like so that with an algorithm means that you basically you 00:36:17.520 --> 00:36:19.597 only see the people you follow. 00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:23.197 >> Like it's just a mess. >> Like it was Twitter before you bought 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:27.117 it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um there's the sort of 00:36:27.200 --> 00:36:29.357 people you follow and then there there's 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:34.877 a recommendation algorithm. Um I think probably in December we'll 00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:37.597 finally have a half decent recommendation algorithm. 00:36:37.680 --> 00:36:42.237 >> It's a lot better >> recently. Yeah. 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:44.077 >> So it really just trying to show people 00:36:44.160 --> 00:36:47.597 stuff they'd be interested in. Um, but 00:36:47.680 --> 00:36:49.357 there's an enormous amount of AI 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.917 horsepower being applied to this where 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:56.957 Grock per thing is reading all it's going to read all 100 million posts per 00:36:57.040 --> 00:37:00.797 day which is a >> Does that take up a lot of comput? 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:03.997 >> Hopefully it doesn't destroy its mind or something. 00:37:04.080 --> 00:37:06.637 >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it does take a lot of compute. 00:37:06.720 --> 00:37:10.957 um like most most posts are um there's a 00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:13.517 lot of spam scam stuff so it just that 00:37:13.600 --> 00:37:16.477 can be easily discarded I suppose. Um 00:37:16.560 --> 00:37:21.197 but then you've got to take you know 100 million pieces of content 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:25.197 match that to I don't know sometimes three or 400 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:29.597 million people per day. So 00:37:29.680 --> 00:37:32.957 that's a lot of matching. >> My algorithm used to look a lot like 00:37:33.040 --> 00:37:36.077 other people's when you open their X account. Now mine is very unique 00:37:36.160 --> 00:37:39.437 comparatively to other people's. 00:37:39.520 --> 00:37:44.797 >> Um well we really are kind of the 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.197 this is just the 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:50.637 the beginning kind of thing. The what I 00:37:50.720 --> 00:37:54.317 mentioned like Grock reading everything and recommending any given thing to 00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.517 anyone should go live in December. So 00:37:57.600 --> 00:38:00.477 that the the acid test for this is are 00:38:00.560 --> 00:38:03.037 you seeing content like are you seeing 00:38:03.120 --> 00:38:05.997 content that you find really interesting 00:38:06.080 --> 00:38:09.117 from accounts you've never seen before? 00:38:09.200 --> 00:38:12.077 If if you if that's happening then the 00:38:12.160 --> 00:38:14.637 algorithm is working. Um like it should 00:38:14.720 --> 00:38:16.717 be possible for somebody to put to post 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:20.237 content as a new user with no followers 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.797 and if that content is is excellent it 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:26.637 gets seen by a lot of people. So, can an 00:38:26.720 --> 00:38:28.797 account with a small number of followers 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.677 or a new account 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:36.477 if if the content is intrinsically excellent, can that content be seen by a 00:38:36.560 --> 00:38:40.237 lot of people? That's our goal. 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:41.837 >> All right, last one. Would you rather 00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:44.717 invent time travel or teleportation? 00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:48.317 >> Actually, those things are 00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:53.277 almost the same thing in that you you can't break the speed of light without 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:55.277 breaking reality. 00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:57.917 And you you know so if you could 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:02.317 teleport somewhere instantly if you talking about teleportation 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:03.997 faster than the speed of light 00:39:04.080 --> 00:39:07.197 presumably it would be um then then that 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.077 that that would break our reality as 00:39:10.160 --> 00:39:14.237 would time travel. Um unless 00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:18.717 was there a very important conditional here? Unless 00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:20.717 we're a simulation. 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:24.157 Time travel does not break a simulation. 00:39:24.240 --> 00:39:28.157 Is it like in Loki where you're on like the time and you 00:39:28.240 --> 00:39:33.517 just break a new one? >> Um the I think well 00:39:33.600 --> 00:39:36.237 people do tend to get wrapped up in knots with the time travel thing because 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:40.397 they they try to simultaneously say something must be logically consistent 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:44.397 but logically inconsistent. That's impossible. Um, but if you think of it 00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.277 like a video game, um, and say, okay, 00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.797 you've got various saved games and you 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.437 can go back and restore a saved game 00:39:53.520 --> 00:39:56.797 from a prior start point. You still have 00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:58.557 your other saved games and there are 00:39:58.640 --> 00:40:01.357 many games going on in parallel. 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:03.997 Um, they don't have to be consistent 00:40:04.080 --> 00:40:06.157 with each other. That's that's that's 00:40:06.240 --> 00:40:11.357 that's a that that is a it's a false assumption. If we're a 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:12.957 simulation, 00:40:13.040 --> 00:40:17.437 um we might be somebody's video game 00:40:17.520 --> 00:40:21.997 or TV show or something like that. Like I said, we're just going to keep it 00:40:22.080 --> 00:40:26.717 interesting so they don't turn the computer off. 00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:28.820 [laughter] 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.357 >> What do you want? I'm just saying if that's true, keep it interesting or 00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:34.877 they're going to turn off the computer 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:38.077 and they might Please don't delete us. 00:40:38.160 --> 00:40:40.557 >> Please don't delete us. Please don't 00:40:40.640 --> 00:40:43.677 delete us. Uh, we'll keep it 00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:47.917 interesting. I swear >> you keep it interesting. 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:51.197 >> Yeah. So, if the most interesting outcome is 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.997 the most likely, what do you think are the most interesting things that can 00:40:54.080 --> 00:40:57.997 occur? Now, most interesting is not what you want. It's just as viewed by a third 00:40:58.080 --> 00:41:00.397 party. Let's say you this was for 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.157 argument sake um a an alien Netflix 00:41:04.240 --> 00:41:07.837 series and you were trying to maximize 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.157 your viewership, 00:41:10.240 --> 00:41:13.277 you know, maximize your ratings. 00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:18.077 Um it's it's actually an interesting thought experiment. It's it's like it 00:41:18.160 --> 00:41:21.597 it's not actually not that interesting if everything just blows up. It's now 00:41:21.680 --> 00:41:25.597 it's over. That's not that interesting. It's not 00:41:25.680 --> 00:41:28.077 that interesting if there's a there's a 00:41:28.160 --> 00:41:30.637 calamity that wipes out all the humans. 00:41:30.720 --> 00:41:33.917 The show just ended. 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.037 But I mean, fortunately and 00:41:37.120 --> 00:41:38.717 unfortunately 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:44.397 uh if there is drama that like war or 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:48.237 something like that, that that is interesting. You know, people will go to 00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:50.957 movies and watch, say, a World War I 00:41:51.040 --> 00:41:53.357 movie where people are getting blown up 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.357 um from cannon shells and uh they're in 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:01.357 the movie theater eating popcorn, drinking a soda. 00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.757 Um like you you wouldn't go to a movie where everything was just perfect and 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.877 stayed that way. You'd leave you'd leave the theater. 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:10.957 >> Good romance story, doesn't it? 00:42:11.040 --> 00:42:13.117 >> There's always a story arc. There's 00:42:13.200 --> 00:42:17.037 always an arc. Um, and it's it's 00:42:17.120 --> 00:42:21.437 generally not a linear arc. So, it's it's not going to be like things start 00:42:21.520 --> 00:42:25.597 here and just go straight up and to the right and end up in a good place for 00:42:25.680 --> 00:42:28.237 something like that. It's usually ups 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.197 and downs. 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.997 The classic sort of story arcs 00:42:34.080 --> 00:42:39.277 essentially, you know, act one, act two, act three. 00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:40.957 You have an initial rise in act two, 00:42:41.040 --> 00:42:43.357 full back in act initial rise in act 00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.997 one, full down in act two, um back in in 00:42:48.080 --> 00:42:51.677 act three with um you know happy ending 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:55.277 if it's a comedy or a sad ending if it's a drama. If you look at President 00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:57.117 Trump's 00:42:57.200 --> 00:42:58.957 uh 00:42:59.040 --> 00:43:03.757 you know story, it's more interesting 00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.197 that he lost this the intermediate term 00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:12.557 and then won you know his second term 00:43:12.640 --> 00:43:16.797 after that. >> Just like the story arc initially up 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.517 then down then resurgent resurgent 00:43:19.600 --> 00:43:24.157 again. If if you 00:43:24.240 --> 00:43:28.317 went with my theory that the most interesting outcome 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:32.477 is the most likely, then that was the most likely outcome. 00:43:32.560 --> 00:43:34.797 It was inevitable. 00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.237 >> What are you watching on TV right now? 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.797 >> I am irony man. 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.847 Something like that. I'm paraphrasing. 00:43:45.930 --> 00:43:47.950 >> [laughter] 00:43:49.600 --> 00:43:52.637 >> Uh, what am I watching actually? Right now I'm watching Teenage Mutant Ninja 00:43:52.720 --> 00:43:55.917 Turtles, the TV series Turtles in a Half 00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.477 Show, Total Power. 00:43:58.560 --> 00:44:01.117 Yeah. Uh, cuz uh, Little X wants to 00:44:01.200 --> 00:44:03.197 watch that. I I I'm watching things that 00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:08.397 the kids kids want to watch. Rewatched Dodgeball last night. 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.387 >> It's a good movie. >> Yeah. 00:44:11.470 --> 00:44:14.477 [laughter] If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge 00:44:14.560 --> 00:44:18.397 a ball. >> If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge 00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:22.520 a ball. >> What? 00:44:23.910 --> 00:44:25.930 [laughter] 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:34.450 Yeah. [laughter] 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:40.717 High motivation to dodge if somebody's loving reg. 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:45.400 What song instantly puts you in a good mood? 00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:53.160 >> Uh, The Final Countdown by Europa. 00:44:55.360 --> 00:45:00.717 [laughter] >> Heard that song a lot. Do you read the instructions or just wing it? 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.037 >> What's the goal? >> Like if you're putting something 00:45:03.120 --> 00:45:05.517 together, do you read the instructions or do you wing it? 00:45:05.600 --> 00:45:08.317 >> If it's a simple thing, I'll wing it. If it's a complex thing, I'll look at the 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.317 instructions. If you had to start from 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.717 scratch today with only $1,000, 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.997 what would you do? 00:45:18.080 --> 00:45:21.277 >> Well, I did I did originally come to 00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:23.117 uh North America with like I don't know 00:45:23.200 --> 00:45:25.037 2500 bucks Canadian, so I don't know, 00:45:25.120 --> 00:45:29.277 maybe two grand us. Um, one bag of books 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.357 and one bag of clothes in Montreal at 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:33.517 age 17. 00:45:33.600 --> 00:45:37.357 So that is how I started out. Um, 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.717 at this point I have a lot of knowledge. 00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:44.157 A lot of things would have to go wrong for that to be the case. 00:45:44.240 --> 00:45:46.317 It's like, am I just emerging from 00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:48.877 prison perhaps [laughter] 00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.277 with a stipend? 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.997 All my company's been confiscated. 00:45:54.080 --> 00:45:56.397 I mean, it would take Armageddon, which 00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.837 hopefully that doesn't happen. Um, 00:45:59.920 --> 00:46:02.317 like Ragnarok next level and I lost. 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:05.117 >> Yeah. >> What the hell? Um, 00:46:05.200 --> 00:46:07.517 >> it's bad hand. 00:46:07.600 --> 00:46:12.557 I I mean it's impossible for me for someone to 00:46:12.640 --> 00:46:14.237 have that amount of know all the 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:18.077 knowledge that I have and then be um 00:46:18.160 --> 00:46:21.997 dropped down to a low resource amount because the reality is that either 00:46:22.080 --> 00:46:23.197 something truly catastrophic has 00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:25.997 happened like civilization has melted um 00:46:26.080 --> 00:46:29.517 or I will be able to ask people to just 00:46:29.600 --> 00:46:33.837 give me money um and with the promise 00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:38.077 that I will have a high return which what I'm able to do right now. 00:46:38.160 --> 00:46:42.077 >> Yeah. >> Like if you give me a dollar, you will get back much more than a dollar. 00:46:42.160 --> 00:46:45.517 >> Yes. >> Um so this is it's it's somewhat of an 00:46:45.600 --> 00:46:48.557 impossible dichotomy because 00:46:48.640 --> 00:46:51.037 civilization would have had to have 00:46:51.120 --> 00:46:53.757 destroyed or something. 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.437 Um in which case $1,000 is not going to 00:46:57.520 --> 00:46:59.757 solve your problems. you know, you can't 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:04.557 do much with a [laughter] if you're if you're wandering around 00:47:04.640 --> 00:47:06.237 radioactive 00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:09.917 craters, uh, and you're in like, you 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.077 know, 00:47:12.160 --> 00:47:15.677 fallout or whatever, uh, then, uh, 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:18.477 $1,000 is not going to 00:47:18.560 --> 00:47:20.717 solve anything. And if civil 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:23.677 civilization hasn't melted, then 00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:28.547 probably just talk people into giving me money, which I've done before. 00:47:28.630 --> 00:47:31.757 >> [laughter] >> If you weren't running your companies, 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:34.717 what random job would you enjoy doing the most? 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.517 >> I don't know if that's all that random, but I'd like probably write video games 00:47:37.600 --> 00:47:40.077 or something like that. 00:47:40.160 --> 00:47:44.157 I I did that at one point. 00:47:44.240 --> 00:47:47.037 I like solving problems, so 00:47:47.120 --> 00:47:53.160 I like building things. I built a lot of things. 00:47:53.600 --> 00:47:55.677 Like a lot. 00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:58.397 What do you eat in a typical day? 00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.757 >> Well, these days I start off with a 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:06.157 breakfast of steak and eggs and coffee. 00:48:06.240 --> 00:48:08.877 And then dinner tends to vary. I usually 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:12.157 don't have lunch. Um or if I do 00:48:12.240 --> 00:48:15.437 something very small. And then dinner, 00:48:15.520 --> 00:48:17.597 depending on whether it's social or not, 00:48:17.680 --> 00:48:21.197 um will vary in cuisine. I like a wide 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:25.757 range of cuisine. >> What's your favorite food? Um, American 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:27.597 food is my favorite food. 00:48:27.680 --> 00:48:30.877 >> Like pizza or a cheeseburger? Like 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:35.597 >> Yeah, the cheeseburger is probably the If I had to say like there's only one 00:48:35.680 --> 00:48:40.077 thing you can ever have for the rest of time, which admittedly would be a bit 00:48:40.160 --> 00:48:43.517 monotonous, but it would probably be a cheeseburger. 00:48:43.600 --> 00:48:45.597 Um, because cheeseburgers are amazing. 00:48:45.680 --> 00:48:47.917 It's a genius invention. 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.637 Um, I'll tell you a funny story about 00:48:50.720 --> 00:48:52.877 when um 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:55.597 I was living in LA and I took my older 00:48:55.680 --> 00:48:59.357 boys out for lunch uh to Sugarfish, 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:03.517 which is a very um kind of uptight sushi 00:49:03.600 --> 00:49:07.437 restaurant. Um, in fact, it's at at at 00:49:07.520 --> 00:49:09.917 the on the menu of of [snorts] the 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:14.557 restaurant, it says, "Do not ask for soy sauce." 00:49:14.640 --> 00:49:18.397 Uh because the chef has put the right amount of choy soy sauce and you can't 00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:23.277 have anymore. And if the chef doesn't think you chef soy sauce, you can't have 00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:25.277 soy sauce. That's what it says on the 00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:29.597 menu basically. Um so 00:49:29.680 --> 00:49:33.517 like extremely strict um sushi 00:49:33.600 --> 00:49:37.597 restaurant. And so the waiter is going around asking 00:49:37.680 --> 00:49:41.997 everyone what they want. And then it comes to Saxon and Saxon says, "I'll 00:49:42.080 --> 00:49:45.197 have a cheeseburger. >> [laughter] 00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:49.197 >> And the waiter's like, takes a moment for the waiter to recover because no 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:53.757 one's ever asked for a cheeseburger at this, you know, very strict sushi 00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:58.397 restaurant. Um, took him like a 30 seconds to 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:00.797 realize he just been asked for a cheeseburger because you're not even 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:05.197 allowed to ask for soy sauce. So, um, so 00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:09.677 then when he finally recovered, he said, "We don't have cheeseburgers." 00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:13.917 >> [laughter] >> And Saxon Saxon goes at the top of his 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:18.877 voice, "What?" Like, "What kind of restaurant doesn't have cheeseburgers?" 00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:20.807 I says, "Fine, I'll have a hamburger." 00:50:20.890 --> 00:50:24.717 [laughter] I don't know what you got against dairy, 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:29.357 but >> yeah, I don't have hamburgers either. 00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.037 >> Did he stay for the rest of the meal? 00:50:31.120 --> 00:50:33.117 >> Yeah, but he was 00:50:33.200 --> 00:50:35.517 nonplusted. 00:50:35.600 --> 00:50:40.397 I was like, I can't believe um this place doesn't have cheeseburgers. So So 00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:41.757 yeah, I mean I like I guess I like 00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:43.917 barbecue, which is good because I'm here 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.517 in Austin. Um 00:50:47.600 --> 00:50:50.637 I mean if it's if it's if it's a hot 00:50:50.720 --> 00:50:54.717 cuisine, I like French food as well, but not every day in once in a while. 00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:59.037 >> If your friends described you in one emoji, what's the emoji? 00:50:59.120 --> 00:51:05.800 >> I guess the emoji I use the most, which is the laughing emoji. 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.437 All right. And we close on this question every episode. If you could host a 00:51:09.520 --> 00:51:12.077 dinner party with three people, dead or 00:51:12.160 --> 00:51:14.557 alive, who's coming to dinner, and what 00:51:14.640 --> 00:51:17.197 are you eating? 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:20.077 >> Maybe Shakespeare, Ben Franklin, Nicola 00:51:20.160 --> 00:51:24.237 Tesla. Um, I there's there's actually a lot of 00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:25.997 people I'd like to I would have liked to 00:51:26.080 --> 00:51:28.637 talk to and we'll we'll eat, I guess, 00:51:28.720 --> 00:51:33.837 whatever they'd like. Um, 00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:37.037 I think if if if you're going to if this is a once in a-lifetime thing, I think 00:51:37.120 --> 00:51:42.957 you'd want to have some epic, you know, 12 course meal or 00:51:43.040 --> 00:51:45.517 something like that >> at least. 00:51:45.600 --> 00:51:51.757 >> Yeah. But some Yeah. You want to go all out for that dinner? I think you're 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:55.517 probably not going to serve cheeseburgers unless they want it. 00:51:55.600 --> 00:51:58.557 >> Yeah. >> Maybe one of the courses could be like a 00:51:58.640 --> 00:52:01.597 tiny cheeseburger. Those don't taste as good as the big ones, though. 00:52:01.680 --> 00:52:05.117 >> No, but they could. It's just they don't try. There's 00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:08.157 nothing. You could make a tiny cheeseburger taste just as good as a big 00:52:08.240 --> 00:52:10.557 cheeseburger >> if you try it. 00:52:10.640 --> 00:52:13.597 >> Have you ever had a tiny cheeseburger that actually tastes good? 00:52:13.680 --> 00:52:16.077 >> Rare, but yes. >> Okay. >> 1% of the time. 00:52:16.160 --> 00:52:18.477 >> Fair. >> But usually it's too much bread and it's dry. 00:52:18.560 --> 00:52:21.357 >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> And then like there's not enough meat in 00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:23.117 proportion to the bread. >> Yeah. 00:52:23.200 --> 00:52:25.197 >> Right. >> But could you make a tiny cheeseburger 00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:29.437 that's good? Of course. Like you're not breaking, you're not like get any Nobel 00:52:29.520 --> 00:52:33.757 Prize with this. You know, [laughter] you can definitely make a tiny 00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:35.197 cheeseburger. It's like physically 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.677 possible. I'm saying it's just rare. 00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:41.837 >> Thank you for doing this. >> You're welcome. 00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:43.277 >> Thanks for watching this week's episode 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:45.117 of the Katie Miller podcast. We'll see 00:52:45.200 --> 00:52:48.847 you next week, Tuesday, 6 p.m. 00:52:48.930 --> 00:52:50.950 [music]