1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,277 I think the story of Doge from your [music] perspective has never been told. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,797 Do you think you were successful? 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,157 >> We're a little a little bit successful. 4 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:07,677 We were some somewhat successful. 5 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:08,797 >> Would you ever do Doge again? 6 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,317 >> Um I mean, no. I don't think so. I think 7 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,317 in instead of doing Doge, I I would have basically [music] 8 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,717 built, you know, worked on my companies essentially and not and the cars would 9 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,237 they wouldn't have been running the cars. 10 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:23,757 >> What's your biggest irrational fear? 11 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,467 >> I I try not to have irrational fears. 12 00:00:25,550 --> 00:00:29,677 [music] >> None. If I find an irrational fear, I squelch it 13 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,437 >> if you had [music] to start from scratch 14 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,317 today with only $1,000. What would you do? 15 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,157 >> Well, I did I did originally come to uh North America with like I don't know 16 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,517 2500 bucks Canadian, so I don't know, maybe two grand us. At [music] this 17 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,237 point, I have a lot of knowledge. A lot of things have to go wrong for that to 18 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,917 be the case. It's like, am I just emerging from 19 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,800 prison perhaps [laughter] with a stipend? 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,837 Hi everyone and welcome to this week's episode of the Katie Miller podcast. We 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,237 are in Texas today joined by the one and only Elon Musk. 22 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:12,237 >> Uh nice to see you again Katie. 23 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:14,797 >> Nice to see you Elon. So I want to take 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,117 us back. It's January 20th. You are in 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,357 the Roosevelt room, if you remember this, getting sworn in and they hand you 26 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,197 a computer and a phone. >> Right. Right. 27 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,677 >> I want to go back to what happened next. 28 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,837 I think the story of Doge from your perspective has never been told. What 29 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,757 was your first thought on how Doge was 30 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:39,560 going to proceed? >> Well, um 31 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,677 I guess I couldn't believe I was there. 32 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,877 Uh, for the most part it's like 33 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:50,077 um it's all seemed extremely surreal at the time. you know, Doge was a madeup 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,917 name um that had been made up, I don't know, 35 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,157 two or three months before 36 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:01,197 um and um based on internet suggestions 37 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,797 and um I was going to call the Government 38 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,997 Efficiency Commission and then and then um someone on the internet said, "No, it 39 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,357 should be the Department of Government Efficiency, Dog." 40 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,757 I'm like, "That sounds great." 41 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,720 Um, so 42 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,477 we just kind of made up an apartment. 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,757 >> Do you think you were successful? 44 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,277 >> We're a little a little bit successful. 45 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:32,520 We were some somewhat successful. Um, 46 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,037 I mean, we we we stopped a lot of [snorts] 47 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,397 funding for um that that that really 48 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,397 just made no sense. That was just 49 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,077 entirely wasteful. where like for 50 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,277 example there was like 51 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:50,877 probably 100 maybe $200 billion dollars 52 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,597 worth of zombie payments per year uh 53 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,477 which uh simply by 54 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,157 um 55 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:03,757 enforcing that there be a payment code 56 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,677 and an explanation for the payment uh 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,077 that the payment would not go out. So, 58 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,197 we've made that change to the main 59 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,277 treasury computer and bunch of other 60 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,637 computers. Um, it's like it seems like 61 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:24,077 insanely obvious. Um, but 62 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,237 uh there are just call it I two or 3% of 63 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,797 government payments that go out that uh 64 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,077 really should not be going out. Um, and 65 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,597 it's actually quite hard to stop. Um so 66 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,197 um it's a it's a pretty rare individual 67 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,917 that would um 68 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,637 ask the government to stop sending them money. 69 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:51,917 >> Would you ever do Doge again? 70 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:57,117 >> Um do you mean would I repeat history or or would I 71 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,397 >> two ways to think about it? One is if you could go back and start from scratch 72 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,477 like it's January 20th all again. Would you go back and do it differently? And 73 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,477 knowing what you know now, do you think 74 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,677 there's ever a place to restart 75 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:16,027 you? Not saying others in yourstead, you go back and restart doing Doge. 76 00:04:16,110 --> 00:04:16,557 [sighs] 77 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,917 >> I mean, no, I don't think so. Um, would 78 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,157 I do I I think I probably 79 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,197 I don't know. Um, >> would you do Doge again knowing what you know now? 80 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:31,037 I mean the thing is like I think in 81 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,997 instead of doing Doge I I would have 82 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,757 basically built 83 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:42,557 you know worked on my companies essentially. So and not and the cars 84 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:43,597 would they wouldn't have been burning 85 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,997 the cars. Um 86 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,237 >> you gave up a lot to do. Uh yeah, 87 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:55,437 like if you if you if you stop money going uh to 88 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,557 uh going going for political corruption, 89 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,917 they will they will lash out big time. 90 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,477 >> Mhm. >> Um 91 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,557 so they really want the money to keep 92 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,157 flowing. Um, 93 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,597 so if you stop it from flowing, there's 94 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:18,397 like a very strong reaction to to stopping the money flowing. 95 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,237 >> After you were in DC for a while, did you become disillusioned with how it 96 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,037 operates? 97 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,197 >> Well, I I wouldn't say I was super 98 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:32,157 illusioned to begin with. Uh, it it I mean, I guess it's just like you really 99 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,157 want the least amount done by government 100 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,837 possible. The least amount 101 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,717 I I I I guess maybe maybe like the the 102 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:45,677 biggest thing is that I guess the biggest single thing is is that the 103 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,117 there there are massive transfer 104 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:53,037 payments going to um illegal immigrants 105 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,197 um like massive essentially we're paying 106 00:05:57,280 --> 00:05:59,997 people to come here from somewhere else 107 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,437 um in vast numbers including flying them 108 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,157 in. So, like it's not like you need a 109 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,477 border wall if you're flying them in. 110 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,997 Um, then fasttracking them to 111 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,957 citizenship and 112 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,157 um making them beholden to to government 113 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,717 payments um and uh 114 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,557 and voting hard left. That's that's 115 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,917 essentially it's like voter importation. 116 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,237 If if if you if you create a gigantic 117 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:37,357 money magnet to um you say if anyone 118 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,237 comes here from anywhere else, we're going to pay you t tons of money, give 119 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,517 you lots of free stuff. Um 120 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,477 come come come to America and and get 121 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:51,197 paid to do so. Um 122 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:56,157 like you're going to get a lot of people taking up on that offer. Um and people 123 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,837 say like this this this is fake. I'm 124 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,037 like, uh, actually, well, let's look at, 125 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,597 um, you know, Elon Omar, who was 126 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,477 literally was voted into power, voted 127 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,317 into Congress by, uh, you know, large 128 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,797 group of people from Somalia, who are in Minnesota, which is really far from 129 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,317 Somalia, 130 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,077 or Mandani, 131 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,797 who was voted as to be to be mayor. 132 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,627 But if if but 133 00:07:26,710 --> 00:07:27,197 >> [clears throat] 134 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,997 >> by a majority of people who are not um 135 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,717 born in America. 136 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,717 That's my understanding at least. Um so 137 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,877 um and then then California say big time 138 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,197 um situation. So 139 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,557 uh I don't we just don't want to turn 140 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,957 into a um 141 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,077 you know communist hell hole basically. 142 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,277 If you've said in the future that no one's going to need to worry about money 143 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,957 or work because AI is going to take care 144 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,637 of the rest, AI and robotics. What do you mean that people won't have to work 145 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,237 in the future? >> Assuming the current trend of artificial 146 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,477 intelligence and robotics continues, 147 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,277 which seems likely, the um AI and robots 148 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,997 will be able to do anything 149 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,277 that that humans want to want them to do 150 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,997 essentially. So hopefully not more than 151 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,997 that, but 152 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,037 AI and robotics will be able to 153 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,357 provide us provide all the goods and services that 154 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,317 anyone could possibly want. So >> but you wouldn't need to work 155 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,917 like what would you do with your free time? 156 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,117 >> People people will be able to do whatever they want with their free time. 157 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,957 Um work will be optional. 158 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,237 I I mean I just want to separate out from like what I wish would happen 159 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,877 versus what I predict will happen because people get confused about that. 160 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,317 They think that what I predict will happen is what I want it to happen. 161 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,757 >> What I want what I predict to happen is 162 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,677 not the same as what I want to happen. 163 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:08,717 >> Um I if if I could I I would 164 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,917 I would certainly slow down uh AI and 165 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:18,920 robotics, but I I can't. It seems to be well 166 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,957 it's it's it's advancing at a very rapid 167 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,837 pace. Um whether I like it or not. 168 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,877 >> Is AI what keeps you up at night? 169 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,237 >> It used to be this point. I don't know. 170 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,117 I I I wouldn't say there's there's 171 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,557 nothing particularly keeping me up at 172 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,997 night right now except that. 173 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,197 But if you say what 174 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,637 what where do I wake up in nightmares? 175 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,290 Oh, AI. Yeah. Actually, [laughter] 176 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,197 I've had a lot of AI nightmares. Uh I I 177 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:55,517 I had AI nightmares many days in a row. 178 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,197 >> What am I supposed to do about it? 179 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,557 >> What's your biggest irrational fear? 180 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,597 >> Um I I I try not to have irrational fears. 181 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:04,797 >> None. 182 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,637 >> If I find an irrational fear, I squelch 183 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,877 it. I I I don't believe fear is fear is 184 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,517 the mind killer. So how about somebody who feels fear strongly? 185 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,477 >> Well, on average, how many hours do you sleep a night? 186 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:24,477 >> Six. You can tell based on my exposts. 187 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:27,597 >> Yes, you can. >> People have actually mapped them so you 188 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:31,277 it's very clear when I'm sleeping and when I'm not. 189 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,917 Um, I tried having less than 6 hours 190 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,877 sleep, but um, although I'm awake more 191 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,917 hours per day, my cognitive function is 192 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,477 reduced. So, my natural sleep, I actually timed it with the phone. They 193 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:46,237 can get a phone app, but time it. It's 194 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,157 like five 5 hours 56 minutes. 195 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,237 That's what the phone said. >> What's an average day for you look like? 196 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,557 >> Well, I have a lot of inbound 197 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,117 communication. 198 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,637 So, it's information triage. I try to 199 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,757 segment the days so that there's not too 200 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,757 much context switching because arguably fear is not the mind killer. Context 201 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,677 switching is 202 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,237 hard not to context switch if you've got 203 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,957 an inbox full of stuff. Um, 204 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,717 but you can think like if you had to context switch every 205 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,597 3 seconds or every 30 seconds or every 3 206 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:29,357 minutes, the context switching 207 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,357 cognitive penalty would be very high every 3 seconds. 208 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,917 >> And you're talking about switching between say Tesla X, XAI, 209 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,277 >> SpaceX personal, >> SpaceX personal 210 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,677 >> and but even within Tesla and and SpaceX 211 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,317 there are many different things. getting this sort of the stuff on X like random 212 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,917 news things um you know people being burned alive 213 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,517 and stuff like that you're like what the hell's going on in this country 214 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,237 >> who's the funniest person you know in real life 215 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,957 >> you know President Trump is very funny he's got a great sense of humor 216 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,677 >> President Trump is very funny >> he's very funny he's like naturally 217 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,117 funny was it's somewhat e effortless I 218 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,757 mean um you know when he was had Ed 219 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,757 Mumdani in the office and Uh 220 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,037 they asked him if he saw thought the president was a fascist and the 221 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,517 president said just say yes. It's easier that way. 222 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,140 >> Yeah. [laughter] 223 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,397 >> Don't worry about it. Just say yes. 224 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,310 Awesome. >> He's like you guys. [laughter] 225 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,917 What a what a how silly. >> Who do you look up to the most? 226 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,517 >> The creator. 227 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,877 >> What's your current position on God? 228 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,117 Uh, God is the creator. >> You don't believe in God though, do you? 229 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,757 >> Well, I believe there was this universe came for something. 230 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,117 People have different labels. >> When's the last time you did something 231 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,037 extremely ordinary like go to Target or CVS? 232 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,877 I can't go to things where there's the general public 233 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,997 because um 234 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,317 I I im there there's an immediate can I 235 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,277 have a selfie line that forms and and 236 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,677 these days in particularly in light of 237 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,877 Charlie Ko's murder there are serious um 238 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,277 security issues. 239 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,797 It's not that I don't want to. I simply 240 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,997 can't. Has Charlie's murder changed how 241 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,877 you do things or were you already locked 242 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,277 down pretty well before that? >> It certainly reinforced the severity of 243 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,677 the situation where life is on hardcore mode. You make one 244 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,477 mistake and you're dead and it only takes one one mistake. 245 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:48,557 >> What's one moment in your life that you could live again just to feel it? 246 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:49,837 Well, I mean, obviously when my kids 247 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:55,117 were born or um the first time SpaceX 248 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,797 got to orbit or Tesla made an electric 249 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,397 car work, >> you've had a big a lot of them. 250 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,277 >> It's a lot of It's a lot of things. 251 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:11,357 There's a lot coming down the pike >> like what >> starship 252 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,077 um the the degree to which a starship is 253 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,717 a revolutionary technology is not well 254 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,357 understood in the world. Um 255 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,357 it's the first time that there's been 256 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,357 any rocket design where full and rapid 257 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:28,877 reusability is possible or full 258 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,797 reusability at all is possible. Um 259 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,517 this this is the first design where a 260 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,997 reusable rocket can um is one of the possible outcomes 261 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,237 where success is in the set of possible outcomes. 262 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,277 >> Are you talking about in V3 or V2? 263 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,917 >> Well, we could have made V2 264 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,077 um 265 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,277 reusable, but the but we there were a 266 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,677 lot of performance improvements for V3, 267 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,957 so it made sense to go to V3. 268 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,597 They're just there's like 10,000 269 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,637 different changes uh between V2 and B3, 270 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:09,837 maybe more than 10,000 really. Um so 271 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,717 um but Starship, if if there are historians in the 272 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,997 future, I'll look back and at Starship and say it was one of the most profound 273 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,077 things that ever happened. Now you can 274 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,997 think of 275 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,037 historic events as where would they fit 276 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,597 on the 277 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,437 in the evolutionary hall of fame. So 278 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,837 you've got things like single cell life. 279 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,597 Then you've got um you know 280 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,477 multisellular life 281 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,997 uh capturing a mitochondria 282 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,717 capturing mitochondria so that you have a power cell in the plant in the cell. 283 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,957 Good. We've got like a power plant in the cell. Um, 284 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,517 you've got, you know, differentiation 285 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,837 into plants and animals, life going from 286 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,557 oceans to land. 287 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,957 And then also on that scale, probably in the top 10 is life becoming 288 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,357 multilanetary. 289 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,917 There just aren't very many things that 290 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,757 are in the top 10 of the evolution of 291 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,637 life or where you could basically say 292 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,917 you could evaluate any given uh civilization or any given life form 293 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,437 as 294 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,077 you know on on that 295 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,597 on that scale. Um 296 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,677 so life becoming multilanetary it's on the top 10. 297 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,357 Um it needs to be sustainably multi 298 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,877 multilanetary. So not just visiting 299 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,957 um but actually 300 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,197 multilanetary in the sense that if 301 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:50,557 you have planetary redundancy so if one of the planets um if there were to be a 302 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,157 catastrophe on one of the planets the other planet would survive. 303 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,837 >> Are all of your companies >> starship is capable of doing that for 304 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,357 the first time in history and no AI was used to create it. So the AI will 305 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,957 appreciate that. Are all of your companies working 306 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,077 towards that same goal to help 307 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,877 us become multilanetary? 308 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,957 Like does the AI exist to be able to 309 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,517 help life on Mars or is that primarily 310 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,997 for what is happening here currently? 311 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,677 >> You know Tesla is mostly about making 312 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,597 sure life on Earth is good 313 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,957 and as NXAI is about that too because multilanetary means Earth's got to be 314 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,477 good and you need another planet. 315 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,957 Sometimes people think uh because they 316 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,197 they have 317 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,157 you know um legacy templates, mental 318 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,437 templates, they think that going to Mars 319 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:48,957 is an escape from Earth. Um like or that it would be some 320 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,957 you know place where billionaires would go or something like that. Um but but 321 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,677 actually Mars will be very dangerous and the moon base will be al also dangerous 322 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:02,317 much more dangerous um and much less comfortable than Earth. Um, so the 323 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,757 people that would go in the early days 324 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,397 to make life multilanetary on Mars or 325 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,157 the moon, they would have a much higher 326 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,877 risk of death um than if then if they stayed on Earth. 327 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,477 Um, and things would be cramped and uncomfortable. 328 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,717 So that's that's the sales pitch for Mars. It's it's going to be 329 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,637 uncomfortable. The food won't be as good 330 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,477 as Earth. Uh, you might die. 331 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,917 It's going to be a mass amount of hard work. 332 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,557 And um it may not succeed. That's the sales pitch. 333 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,037 >> Do you want to go? >> Same as when people came to America. 334 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:42,237 >> Yeah. You didn't want to be in Jamestown. 335 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,677 >> People went anyway. >> Yeah. Maybe if there had been social 336 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,317 media back then they would have saying 337 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,197 uh we're all dying. Here's videos of us 338 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,237 dying would have probably put a damper 339 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,957 on future voyages. But um yeah, they just whole bunch of people just 340 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,717 disappeared. They don't know what happened to them. 341 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,237 >> You talk a lot on X about wardrobe 342 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,757 >> and how you wish current wardrobe would be differently. 343 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,357 >> I just think like from a fashion 344 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,917 standpoint, we should evolve. Um like my 345 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,037 son Saxon said at one point, why does everything look like it's 2015? And I 346 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:23,037 was like, damn, things do everything does look like it's 2015. 347 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:27,357 He's like, if you took a picture from 2015 and said 2025, 348 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,277 it looks exactly the same. There were >> stylistically 349 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:35,677 >> things were the same as 2015. We have not we've not moved the needle in a 350 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,877 decade. >> So what should it look like? 351 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:43,837 >> Something new. You know, like the 60s had a definitive style. The 70s had a 352 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,637 definitive style. The ' 80s had a definitive style. And then the ' 90s 353 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,637 also had a different had a style. But 354 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,677 then you start looking at the 2000s and 355 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,077 the 2010s and it's like less and less 356 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,197 every year. I think we should if our 357 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,597 style I and and if you look at some of the 358 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,837 older paintings 359 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,237 um you know of past cabinet secretaries 360 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:15,437 um some of them like they look cool like their their jackets are cooler than what 361 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,197 we have right now you know they have 362 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:22,477 sort of like a high collar and like a sort of I don't know what some sort of 363 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,277 what what do you call those things ascot or something like that 364 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:28,077 >> I mean it just looks cool like so But we 365 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,037 we don't everything's like a very normal 366 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:36,157 looking suit at this point. But like literally the same as 2015. I'm being 367 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,237 generous because arguably the same as 2010. 368 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,917 >> Yeah. >> So in 15 years and and I'm like from a 369 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,197 fashion standpoint, I don't think we've moved since 370 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,517 2000 in 25 years. If you showed someone a 371 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,357 picture of this is a bunch of this is a bunch of dudes in 20 2000. This is a 372 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,477 bunch of dudes in 2025. 373 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:01,197 which year is which? So, I think we should I don't know, spice it up a 374 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,557 little. >> What's a conspiracy theory you believe in? 375 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,837 >> I mean, which which conspiracy theories haven't come true at this point. We've 376 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,517 run out of conspiracy theories that because they will come true 377 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,117 >> as far as I can tell. >> Yeah. 378 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,837 >> Um I mean, I don't know of any aliens. People has 379 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,077 asked me if there's there are aliens. I 380 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,397 have seen no evidence of aliens. Um, no 381 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:30,157 one on the SpaceX senior team has any 382 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,877 evidence of aliens because I've asked team like, "Guys, am I missing 383 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,957 something?" 384 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,917 Has anyone on the team has anyone's seen any evidence of aliens? 385 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,837 >> Does that include UFOs? 386 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,277 >> That's just an unidentified blank 387 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:48,397 object. So, so UFOs like it could be 388 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,797 like some new weapons program or whatever. that's, you know, some 389 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,197 hypersonic missile or something like that. That that would be technically a 390 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,197 UFO, but it's it's just it's just 391 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,637 basically some weapons prototype. 392 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,117 That's not it's not like aliens. 393 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,117 So, although Neil Armstrong, Neil A spelled 394 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:14,600 backwards as alien. Coincidence? 395 00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:18,957 [laughter] >> You believe we actually went to the moon though? 396 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,797 Yes, we went to the moon a few times actually and played golf on the moon. 397 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,437 >> Okay. >> We didn't just go to the moon. We 398 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,437 actually got a little bored and started 399 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,197 playing golf on the moon. >> But why didn't the flag move? There's 400 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,637 like that conspiracy. >> That was the jump the truck moment >> about the flag. 401 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,477 >> No, the playing golf on the moon. 402 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,717 >> Okay. >> You know, it literally did. 403 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,037 >> No, I understand that. >> Yeah. Yeah. 404 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,677 >> Whacked a golf ball on the moon. 405 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,677 >> Is there There's no gravity though, right? There is gravity 16. 406 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,997 >> If it wasn't gravity, you would just float away. 407 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,357 >> Okay. >> There's no atmosphere. 408 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,917 >> Okay, fair. >> But there is one sixth gravity. 409 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,797 >> What's the biggest misconception about you? 410 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,517 >> I don't know. How would I know? 411 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,157 Uh, what do you think? >> I think it's And I get asked this a lot 412 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,157 when I do interviews about you. 413 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,157 >> Me? >> Oh, got I got asked. Everyone always 414 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,357 thinks you're a very difficult person to work for. Oh, 415 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,517 >> which you're I think you're very kind. 416 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,117 >> Thanks. >> Like people think which you're you are [clears throat] 417 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,437 >> like a very demanding boss. I think that 418 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,477 you are I've never heard you yell at any employee. 419 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,957 >> Yeah. I don't yell. >> I think every employee who works at 420 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,917 every single one of your companies is incredibly missiondriven, which is 421 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,557 unlike any other workplace I've ever seen. 422 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,157 >> Like Starbase is the most inspirational place you'll ever go to, right? 423 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,237 >> Everyone is there to work on a singular 424 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,237 goal. And so I think to me the biggest 425 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,157 misconception about you is how every 426 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,477 employee at all of your companies are fiercely loyal because it's all 427 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,797 mission driven and you are a very good employer to work 428 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,037 for and I think people assume you are not 429 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:02,637 >> right. Well why would they think anyone 430 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:09,320 would work at the companies? >> Yeah. Um, 431 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,237 I mean talent I mean talented people can 432 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,637 go work anywhere they want. 433 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,157 So they're only going to work at one of 434 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,757 my companies if they want to. And if 435 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,357 they're mistreated in some way, they would they would leave and go work 436 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,277 somewhere else. >> How'd you come up with the idea for 437 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:29,037 Starbase? 438 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:33,437 >> Well, I think we needed a 439 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,517 something inspirational. I can we we kind of have a lot of star 440 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,117 things, you know. So, we got Starlink, Starship. 441 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,237 Well, where would Starship depart from 442 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,117 Star Base? 443 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:52,157 I mean, Star Base is is as you've mentioned, it's it's like it's I think 444 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,757 it's probably the coolest place on Earth. 445 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:54,557 >> I agree. 446 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,397 >> Um, and it used to it it used to be a 447 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,837 sand bar down by the Rio Grand. I It's 448 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,957 only like three feet above sea level. 449 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,397 Um, so we built a gigantic rocket 450 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,837 factory and 451 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,437 two giant launch towers 452 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,917 uh down by the river literally with 453 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,397 inside of the Rio Grand 454 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,437 and on on on an actual sandbar kind of 455 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,677 had to have like an inspirational name. 456 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,357 And then we made it a city so it's an 457 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,717 incorporated city like legally a city. 458 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,957 Um, you don't you don't hear about new cities being formed that often. 459 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,437 Um, >> the last time there was a company town, 460 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,477 it was Disney World. 461 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,597 >> Yeah. I think Ford had some kind of like 462 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,437 company town situations, but um but 463 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,757 yeah, Disney World is it's literally his name. 464 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,077 >> Yeah. >> I'm Walt Disney. This is my world. 465 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,037 >> Yeah. >> I've gone from land to world. 466 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:02,317 Um, they got like incorporated as a city 467 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,637 and got tax exemption which was like a whole was a was a big deal. 468 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,797 >> Yeah. >> I've been to Disney World probably 10 times. 469 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,277 >> Really? >> Yeah. Maybe more than maybe more than 470 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:19,117 10, but at least 10 times. >> Uh because uh Cape Canaveral is right by 471 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,077 Disney World. 472 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,037 >> This makes sense now. So when I'd have 473 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:26,557 the kids, then I would um my older kids 474 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,317 and I was we're trying to get the rocket 475 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,557 launch from Cape Canaveral. Then um 476 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,237 you know the thing they'd want to do is go to Disney World uh or Harry 477 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,237 Potterland. >> What's your favorite ride? 478 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,637 >> I'm sort of tempted to say Space Mountain, I suppose. Yeah, probably 479 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,837 Space Mountain. I mean, I do think Space Mountain needs an upgrade. 480 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,677 >> It's a little herky jerky. the it doesn't look quite as fuss sci-fi as it 481 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,997 used to. >> You know, it's it's like it's like the 482 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,277 day before yesterday's tomorrow, 483 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:02,557 but just till yesterday. >> What's your favorite age to parent of your kids? 484 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,637 >> Uh, generally kids are the most fun between five and 10. 485 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,517 >> Do you think humanity is inherently good or is it just trying to be? 486 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,877 >> The concept of good wouldn't exist without humanity. I think I do think 487 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,317 humanity is on balance good. You know, I generally think like in 488 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:26,157 increasing the amount of consciousness in the universe is a good thing. 489 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,157 Trying to try to understand the nature of the universe, which you can only do 490 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,397 by increasing 491 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,437 the increasing conscious awareness. I 492 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,277 mean, I have thought about like how how 493 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,837 did we get here? Because if we did start 494 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,597 out as a hydrogen gas cloud 495 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,677 that that sort of condensed and then 496 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,117 formed stars and then these stars exploded 497 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,357 and then they recondensed, formed stars 498 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,317 again and then exploded again and then 499 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,757 eventually you get to us 13.8 billion years later. 500 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,957 And one of the interesting questions to 501 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:09,200 think about is how many times have your atoms been at the center of a star? 502 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,557 I think it's like on average three or 503 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,117 four times, something like that. Uh then 504 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,837 how many times will your atoms be at the 505 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,677 center of a star? Estimates vary, but it 506 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,877 seems like we're roughly halfway. 507 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,717 So your atoms likely to be at the center 508 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,477 of the star maybe another four times or 509 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,837 something like that. It's depends on what your predictions are for the 510 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,797 future. In terms of existence as measured by the 511 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,317 number of times your atoms will be at the center of a star, 512 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,677 we seem to be roughly halfway. 513 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,397 That really, you know, if you want to 514 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,877 look at the big picture, that's the really big picture. 515 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,477 >> What's one invention that's made us worse, not better? 516 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,717 >> What's one adventure that's made us worse? 517 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,877 >> Mhm. Invention. 518 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,157 Maybe short form video [laughter] 519 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,797 seems to be rotting people's brains. 520 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,437 >> What's one piece of technology you hope never gets invented? 521 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,597 >> Hope that I hope never gets invented. 522 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,637 >> Like yeah, like it's going to destroy us 523 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,877 all 524 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,717 or you think with the proper safeguards? 525 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,517 >> Well, I mean obviously I hope like that people don't invent a 526 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,357 virus that can kill all humans. It's 527 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,797 like that's an obvious thing. Um >> I mean yeah generally I hope like 528 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,720 inventions that destroy consciousness are not invented. 529 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,277 >> I think the future's going to look very 530 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,437 interesting. 531 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,957 So I I it's I do have this theory about the the predicting the future which is 532 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,397 that the most interesting outcome is the most likely. 533 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,797 um which if simulation theory is 534 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,637 accurate uh makes sense because 535 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,277 if anyone is simulating a wide range of 536 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,517 futures they're going to stop the 537 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,997 simulation when it gets boring because 538 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,357 this is what we do in our reality. So if 539 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,757 if SpaceX is doing or Tesla doing 540 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,077 simulations to understand how a car 541 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,917 would work or robot or spaceship or 542 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,797 something like that, we we run all these simulations in the computer. Um and the 543 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,477 simulations that um 544 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,957 we pay attention to are the ones that that are the most interesting. like the 545 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,917 the simulation where everything goes right on the rocket we actually don't 546 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,397 pay attention to because that's that's 547 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,797 not a the everything goes right 548 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,797 simulation is um is fine. So we we 549 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,397 actually test the 550 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,637 you know the when we simulate the the 551 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,877 rocket flight we'll actually test all 552 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,637 sorts of oddball situations but we don't 553 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,277 test it we we don't have the simulation be totally wrong because I mean like if 554 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,037 the rocket just explodes immediately that's not not also not interesting. So 555 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,957 it's it's like you you need to find the 556 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,757 envelope of possible flight paths where 557 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,357 the rocket can make it to orbit and uh 558 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,237 without exploding and then you you find those boundaries 559 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,037 and then when you launch the actual rocket you try you make sure it stays 560 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,357 within those boundaries. Or another way 561 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,357 to think of it is like we could be an 562 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,117 alien Netflix series 563 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,117 and that that series is only going to 564 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,117 get continued if our ratings are good. 565 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,877 >> Are the ratings good? >> Yeah. 566 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,197 >> Okay. >> But but you can think of it like from a 567 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,797 Darwinian standpoint applied if if you apply Darwin to simulation theory then 568 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,997 the only the most interesting simulations will continue. Therefore, 569 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,837 the most interesting outcome is most likely because the uh it's either that 570 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,717 or annihilation. So, really, we have one goal. Keep it interesting. 571 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,517 >> Do you think social media has made people more honest or more performative? 572 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,957 >> Well, social media makes people more performative. 573 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,117 Um, by the same token, you you you get more 574 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,717 real 575 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,677 life video of of things that that are 576 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,637 actually happening and and anything that 577 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,757 is very interesting will sp will will go 578 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,757 viral on the internet. Um, so so you 579 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,477 have both. you've got more performative 580 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,237 where people are doing anything they can 581 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,877 to get a few more views on their Tik Tok 582 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,997 video or whatever or their reels or 583 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,517 maybe on their expost or something. Um 584 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,917 and um so that's very performative, 585 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,957 but then you also see real life videos 586 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,477 that are that challenge the narrative um 587 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,117 but are nonetheless real. Is there any ex accounts you're surprised when you 588 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,397 changed it so people could see country of origin that wasn't in the United 589 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,557 States that you thought was in the United States? 590 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,237 >> I don't really think about it that much. 591 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,997 I mean 592 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:07,357 there's in a country of origin 593 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,637 we have to be a little careful about this. You you can actually technically 594 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,877 you just specify your region like you can say I'm in Asia or something like 595 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,637 that which is quite big. it but but it does make it a little harder that if 596 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,597 somebody is trying to pretend that they're 597 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,397 say a member of the American public or 598 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,637 in Europe or Africa wherever if if 599 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,757 they're you know if everything about 600 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,757 their account is from a different continent than they are pretending to be 601 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,637 from it's uh gets a little harder to 602 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,597 pretend. We don't want to dox people but we kind 603 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,037 of think you're not really doxing someone if you say which continent 604 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,477 they're from. Yeah, I think it's fair. 605 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,597 >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, in every episode we've played 606 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,277 would you rather. Okay. Would you rather 607 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,517 save humanity from extinction extinction 608 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,920 on Earth or guarantee its survival on Mars? 609 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,277 >> Uh it's it's a false dichotomy. I [clears throat] I I think I'd say uh 610 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,757 guarantee Earth Earth's much better than 611 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,797 Mars to be clear. Um Mars, but Mars is just our best option if we want to 612 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,717 become a multilanet species. This is really our our our only option. Um if 613 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,157 you want to become a multilanet species, you got Mars which is very difficult but 614 00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:22,637 not impossible. Uh Earth is much better 615 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:27,357 than Mars but you know we can't uh I 616 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,357 think it was Silkovsky or I think he said uh you know Earth is the cradle of 617 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,117 civilization but we can't stay in the cradle forever. 618 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,597 >> Would you rather be a Marvel superhero or a Bond villain? 619 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,597 I think it would depend on which Marvel superhero or which Bond villain. I 620 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,677 suppose I'd rather be a Marvel superhero. 621 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,117 >> They did. They did model Iron Man in the movies after me. 622 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,397 >> Yes. >> So, >> you were in the Iron Man movie, right? 623 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,077 >> Yes. >> That's pretty cool. 624 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,757 >> Yeah. Ro Down Jr. and Favro met with me 625 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,877 >> uh to and toured SpaceX and stuff. So, 626 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:08,717 and in fact, Iron Man 2, a large part of the movie is filmed in SpaceX. 627 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,877 >> Really? >> Yes. If you look at if you watch Iron 628 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,317 Man 2, you'll see it's a SpaceX factory is the actual background. 629 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,317 >> That's so cool. >> Yeah, it was cool. We had Scarlett 630 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,997 Johansson doing martial arts in the lobby, 631 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,210 >> actually. [laughter] 632 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,477 Yeah. And you expect me to believe this is all 633 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,717 real? It's a simulation. >> Exactly. 634 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,957 >> What are the odds? >> Yeah. 635 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,037 >> I mean, if you were me >> No, I agree with you. 636 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,397 >> Would you think >> this is real or a simulation? 637 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,077 >> Your life is a simulation. >> Yeah. 638 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,677 >> Your life gets to be the simulation. 639 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,637 >> Yeah. And I'm like doing all the side quests and everything. 640 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,997 >> Yeah. What's your best side quest? 641 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,680 >> A doge. Probably. [laughter] 642 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,157 >> Okay. Would you rather launch a social 643 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,797 network with no algorithm or a rocket 644 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,277 with no manual override? >> Who came up with these questions? 645 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,997 >> Just keep going. >> These are funny. 646 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,797 >> Maybe not to you [clears throat] cuz they're too trivial. 647 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,437 >> What do you mean? Like so that with an algorithm means that you basically you 648 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,597 only see the people you follow. 649 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,197 >> Like it's just a mess. >> Like it was Twitter before you bought 650 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,117 it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um there's the sort of 651 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,357 people you follow and then there there's 652 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,877 a recommendation algorithm. Um I think probably in December we'll 653 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,597 finally have a half decent recommendation algorithm. 654 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,237 >> It's a lot better >> recently. Yeah. 655 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,077 >> So it really just trying to show people 656 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,597 stuff they'd be interested in. Um, but 657 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,357 there's an enormous amount of AI 658 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,917 horsepower being applied to this where 659 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,957 Grock per thing is reading all it's going to read all 100 million posts per 660 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,797 day which is a >> Does that take up a lot of comput? 661 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,997 >> Hopefully it doesn't destroy its mind or something. 662 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,637 >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it does take a lot of compute. 663 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,957 um like most most posts are um there's a 664 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,517 lot of spam scam stuff so it just that 665 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,477 can be easily discarded I suppose. Um 666 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,197 but then you've got to take you know 100 million pieces of content 667 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,197 match that to I don't know sometimes three or 400 668 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,597 million people per day. So 669 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,957 that's a lot of matching. >> My algorithm used to look a lot like 670 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,077 other people's when you open their X account. Now mine is very unique 671 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,437 comparatively to other people's. 672 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,797 >> Um well we really are kind of the 673 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,197 this is just the 674 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,637 the beginning kind of thing. The what I 675 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,317 mentioned like Grock reading everything and recommending any given thing to 676 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,517 anyone should go live in December. So 677 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,477 that the the acid test for this is are 678 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,037 you seeing content like are you seeing 679 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,997 content that you find really interesting 680 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,117 from accounts you've never seen before? 681 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,077 If if you if that's happening then the 682 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,637 algorithm is working. Um like it should 683 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,717 be possible for somebody to put to post 684 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,237 content as a new user with no followers 685 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,797 and if that content is is excellent it 686 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,637 gets seen by a lot of people. So, can an 687 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,797 account with a small number of followers 688 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,677 or a new account 689 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,477 if if the content is intrinsically excellent, can that content be seen by a 690 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,237 lot of people? That's our goal. 691 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,837 >> All right, last one. Would you rather 692 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,717 invent time travel or teleportation? 693 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,317 >> Actually, those things are 694 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,277 almost the same thing in that you you can't break the speed of light without 695 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,277 breaking reality. 696 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,917 And you you know so if you could 697 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,317 teleport somewhere instantly if you talking about teleportation 698 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,997 faster than the speed of light 699 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,197 presumably it would be um then then that 700 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,077 that that would break our reality as 701 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,237 would time travel. Um unless 702 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,717 was there a very important conditional here? Unless 703 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,717 we're a simulation. 704 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,157 Time travel does not break a simulation. 705 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:28,157 Is it like in Loki where you're on like the time and you 706 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:33,517 just break a new one? >> Um the I think well 707 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,237 people do tend to get wrapped up in knots with the time travel thing because 708 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,397 they they try to simultaneously say something must be logically consistent 709 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,397 but logically inconsistent. That's impossible. Um, but if you think of it 710 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,277 like a video game, um, and say, okay, 711 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,797 you've got various saved games and you 712 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,437 can go back and restore a saved game 713 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,797 from a prior start point. You still have 714 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,557 your other saved games and there are 715 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,357 many games going on in parallel. 716 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,997 Um, they don't have to be consistent 717 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,157 with each other. That's that's that's 718 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:11,357 that's a that that is a it's a false assumption. If we're a 719 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,957 simulation, 720 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,437 um we might be somebody's video game 721 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,997 or TV show or something like that. Like I said, we're just going to keep it 722 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,717 interesting so they don't turn the computer off. 723 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,820 [laughter] 724 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,357 >> What do you want? I'm just saying if that's true, keep it interesting or 725 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,877 they're going to turn off the computer 726 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,077 and they might Please don't delete us. 727 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,557 >> Please don't delete us. Please don't 728 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,677 delete us. Uh, we'll keep it 729 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,917 interesting. I swear >> you keep it interesting. 730 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,197 >> Yeah. So, if the most interesting outcome is 731 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,997 the most likely, what do you think are the most interesting things that can 732 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,997 occur? Now, most interesting is not what you want. It's just as viewed by a third 733 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,397 party. Let's say you this was for 734 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,157 argument sake um a an alien Netflix 735 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,837 series and you were trying to maximize 736 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,157 your viewership, 737 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,277 you know, maximize your ratings. 738 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:18,077 Um it's it's actually an interesting thought experiment. It's it's like it 739 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,597 it's not actually not that interesting if everything just blows up. It's now 740 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,597 it's over. That's not that interesting. It's not 741 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,077 that interesting if there's a there's a 742 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,637 calamity that wipes out all the humans. 743 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,917 The show just ended. 744 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,037 But I mean, fortunately and 745 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,717 unfortunately 746 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:44,397 uh if there is drama that like war or 747 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,237 something like that, that that is interesting. You know, people will go to 748 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,957 movies and watch, say, a World War I 749 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,357 movie where people are getting blown up 750 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,357 um from cannon shells and uh they're in 751 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,357 the movie theater eating popcorn, drinking a soda. 752 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,757 Um like you you wouldn't go to a movie where everything was just perfect and 753 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,877 stayed that way. You'd leave you'd leave the theater. 754 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,957 >> Good romance story, doesn't it? 755 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,117 >> There's always a story arc. There's 756 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,037 always an arc. Um, and it's it's 757 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,437 generally not a linear arc. So, it's it's not going to be like things start 758 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,597 here and just go straight up and to the right and end up in a good place for 759 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,237 something like that. It's usually ups 760 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,197 and downs. 761 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,997 The classic sort of story arcs 762 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:39,277 essentially, you know, act one, act two, act three. 763 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,957 You have an initial rise in act two, 764 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,357 full back in act initial rise in act 765 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,997 one, full down in act two, um back in in 766 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,677 act three with um you know happy ending 767 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,277 if it's a comedy or a sad ending if it's a drama. If you look at President 768 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,117 Trump's 769 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,957 uh 770 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,757 you know story, it's more interesting 771 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,197 that he lost this the intermediate term 772 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:12,557 and then won you know his second term 773 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,797 after that. >> Just like the story arc initially up 774 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,517 then down then resurgent resurgent 775 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:24,157 again. If if you 776 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:28,317 went with my theory that the most interesting outcome 777 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,477 is the most likely, then that was the most likely outcome. 778 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,797 It was inevitable. 779 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,237 >> What are you watching on TV right now? 780 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,797 >> I am irony man. 781 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,847 Something like that. I'm paraphrasing. 782 00:43:45,930 --> 00:43:47,950 >> [laughter] 783 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,637 >> Uh, what am I watching actually? Right now I'm watching Teenage Mutant Ninja 784 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,917 Turtles, the TV series Turtles in a Half 785 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,477 Show, Total Power. 786 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,117 Yeah. Uh, cuz uh, Little X wants to 787 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,197 watch that. I I I'm watching things that 788 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:08,397 the kids kids want to watch. Rewatched Dodgeball last night. 789 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,387 >> It's a good movie. >> Yeah. 790 00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:14,477 [laughter] If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge 791 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,397 a ball. >> If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge 792 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,520 a ball. >> What? 793 00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:25,930 [laughter] 794 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,450 Yeah. [laughter] 795 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,717 High motivation to dodge if somebody's loving reg. 796 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,400 What song instantly puts you in a good mood? 797 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,160 >> Uh, The Final Countdown by Europa. 798 00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,717 [laughter] >> Heard that song a lot. Do you read the instructions or just wing it? 799 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,037 >> What's the goal? >> Like if you're putting something 800 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,517 together, do you read the instructions or do you wing it? 801 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,317 >> If it's a simple thing, I'll wing it. If it's a complex thing, I'll look at the 802 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,317 instructions. If you had to start from 803 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,717 scratch today with only $1,000, 804 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,997 what would you do? 805 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,277 >> Well, I did I did originally come to 806 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,117 uh North America with like I don't know 807 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,037 2500 bucks Canadian, so I don't know, 808 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,277 maybe two grand us. Um, one bag of books 809 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,357 and one bag of clothes in Montreal at 810 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,517 age 17. 811 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,357 So that is how I started out. Um, 812 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,717 at this point I have a lot of knowledge. 813 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,157 A lot of things would have to go wrong for that to be the case. 814 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:46,317 It's like, am I just emerging from 815 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,877 prison perhaps [laughter] 816 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,277 with a stipend? 817 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,997 All my company's been confiscated. 818 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,397 I mean, it would take Armageddon, which 819 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,837 hopefully that doesn't happen. Um, 820 00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,317 like Ragnarok next level and I lost. 821 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,117 >> Yeah. >> What the hell? Um, 822 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,517 >> it's bad hand. 823 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:12,557 I I mean it's impossible for me for someone to 824 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,237 have that amount of know all the 825 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,077 knowledge that I have and then be um 826 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,997 dropped down to a low resource amount because the reality is that either 827 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,197 something truly catastrophic has 828 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,997 happened like civilization has melted um 829 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,517 or I will be able to ask people to just 830 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,837 give me money um and with the promise 831 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,077 that I will have a high return which what I'm able to do right now. 832 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,077 >> Yeah. >> Like if you give me a dollar, you will get back much more than a dollar. 833 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,517 >> Yes. >> Um so this is it's it's somewhat of an 834 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,557 impossible dichotomy because 835 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,037 civilization would have had to have 836 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,757 destroyed or something. 837 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,437 Um in which case $1,000 is not going to 838 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,757 solve your problems. you know, you can't 839 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,557 do much with a [laughter] if you're if you're wandering around 840 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,237 radioactive 841 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,917 craters, uh, and you're in like, you 842 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,077 know, 843 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,677 fallout or whatever, uh, then, uh, 844 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,477 $1,000 is not going to 845 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,717 solve anything. And if civil 846 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,677 civilization hasn't melted, then 847 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,547 probably just talk people into giving me money, which I've done before. 848 00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:31,757 >> [laughter] >> If you weren't running your companies, 849 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,717 what random job would you enjoy doing the most? 850 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,517 >> I don't know if that's all that random, but I'd like probably write video games 851 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,077 or something like that. 852 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,157 I I did that at one point. 853 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,037 I like solving problems, so 854 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:53,160 I like building things. I built a lot of things. 855 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,677 Like a lot. 856 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,397 What do you eat in a typical day? 857 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,757 >> Well, these days I start off with a 858 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,157 breakfast of steak and eggs and coffee. 859 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:08,877 And then dinner tends to vary. I usually 860 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,157 don't have lunch. Um or if I do 861 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,437 something very small. And then dinner, 862 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,597 depending on whether it's social or not, 863 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,197 um will vary in cuisine. I like a wide 864 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,757 range of cuisine. >> What's your favorite food? Um, American 865 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,597 food is my favorite food. 866 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,877 >> Like pizza or a cheeseburger? Like 867 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,597 >> Yeah, the cheeseburger is probably the If I had to say like there's only one 868 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,077 thing you can ever have for the rest of time, which admittedly would be a bit 869 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,517 monotonous, but it would probably be a cheeseburger. 870 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,597 Um, because cheeseburgers are amazing. 871 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,917 It's a genius invention. 872 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,637 Um, I'll tell you a funny story about 873 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:52,877 when um 874 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,597 I was living in LA and I took my older 875 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,357 boys out for lunch uh to Sugarfish, 876 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,517 which is a very um kind of uptight sushi 877 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,437 restaurant. Um, in fact, it's at at at 878 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,917 the on the menu of of [snorts] the 879 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,557 restaurant, it says, "Do not ask for soy sauce." 880 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,397 Uh because the chef has put the right amount of choy soy sauce and you can't 881 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,277 have anymore. And if the chef doesn't think you chef soy sauce, you can't have 882 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,277 soy sauce. That's what it says on the 883 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,597 menu basically. Um so 884 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,517 like extremely strict um sushi 885 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,597 restaurant. And so the waiter is going around asking 886 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,997 everyone what they want. And then it comes to Saxon and Saxon says, "I'll 887 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,197 have a cheeseburger. >> [laughter] 888 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,197 >> And the waiter's like, takes a moment for the waiter to recover because no 889 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,757 one's ever asked for a cheeseburger at this, you know, very strict sushi 890 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,397 restaurant. Um, took him like a 30 seconds to 891 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,797 realize he just been asked for a cheeseburger because you're not even 892 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,197 allowed to ask for soy sauce. So, um, so 893 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,677 then when he finally recovered, he said, "We don't have cheeseburgers." 894 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,917 >> [laughter] >> And Saxon Saxon goes at the top of his 895 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,877 voice, "What?" Like, "What kind of restaurant doesn't have cheeseburgers?" 896 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,807 I says, "Fine, I'll have a hamburger." 897 00:50:20,890 --> 00:50:24,717 [laughter] I don't know what you got against dairy, 898 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,357 but >> yeah, I don't have hamburgers either. 899 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,037 >> Did he stay for the rest of the meal? 900 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,117 >> Yeah, but he was 901 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,517 nonplusted. 902 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,397 I was like, I can't believe um this place doesn't have cheeseburgers. So So 903 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:41,757 yeah, I mean I like I guess I like 904 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,917 barbecue, which is good because I'm here 905 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,517 in Austin. Um 906 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,637 I mean if it's if it's if it's a hot 907 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:54,717 cuisine, I like French food as well, but not every day in once in a while. 908 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,037 >> If your friends described you in one emoji, what's the emoji? 909 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:05,800 >> I guess the emoji I use the most, which is the laughing emoji. 910 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,437 All right. And we close on this question every episode. If you could host a 911 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,077 dinner party with three people, dead or 912 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,557 alive, who's coming to dinner, and what 913 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,197 are you eating? 914 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,077 >> Maybe Shakespeare, Ben Franklin, Nicola 915 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,237 Tesla. Um, I there's there's actually a lot of 916 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,997 people I'd like to I would have liked to 917 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,637 talk to and we'll we'll eat, I guess, 918 00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:33,837 whatever they'd like. Um, 919 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,037 I think if if if you're going to if this is a once in a-lifetime thing, I think 920 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:42,957 you'd want to have some epic, you know, 12 course meal or 921 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,517 something like that >> at least. 922 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:51,757 >> Yeah. But some Yeah. You want to go all out for that dinner? I think you're 923 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,517 probably not going to serve cheeseburgers unless they want it. 924 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,557 >> Yeah. >> Maybe one of the courses could be like a 925 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,597 tiny cheeseburger. Those don't taste as good as the big ones, though. 926 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,117 >> No, but they could. It's just they don't try. There's 927 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,157 nothing. You could make a tiny cheeseburger taste just as good as a big 928 00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:10,557 cheeseburger >> if you try it. 929 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,597 >> Have you ever had a tiny cheeseburger that actually tastes good? 930 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,077 >> Rare, but yes. >> Okay. >> 1% of the time. 931 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,477 >> Fair. >> But usually it's too much bread and it's dry. 932 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,357 >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> And then like there's not enough meat in 933 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,117 proportion to the bread. >> Yeah. 934 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,197 >> Right. >> But could you make a tiny cheeseburger 935 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,437 that's good? Of course. Like you're not breaking, you're not like get any Nobel 936 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,757 Prize with this. You know, [laughter] you can definitely make a tiny 937 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,197 cheeseburger. It's like physically 938 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,677 possible. I'm saying it's just rare. 939 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,837 >> Thank you for doing this. >> You're welcome. 940 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,277 >> Thanks for watching this week's episode 941 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,117 of the Katie Miller podcast. We'll see 942 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,847 you next week, Tuesday, 6 p.m. 943 00:52:48,930 --> 00:52:50,950 [music]