1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,757 Well, we are joined by Alex Karp. 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,517 Welcome to the show. [screaming] Thank you so much for taking the time. Uh you guys 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,477 >> with or without hat? >> Uh whatever's comfortable for you. You can do hat. 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,917 >> out here. >> Is it cold on this cold >> is an average day for you. You're always 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,437 out skiing. You're you're cold. 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,357 >> We should have done the Yeah, we need to get We're close to getting skis. Look. 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,997 >> we could we Well, you know, we are supposed to do something physical. 8 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:21,877 >> It's starting to stare. It's starting to stare. 9 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,877 >> to >> Oh, I like this. But I Now I feel like a 10 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,237 newscaster. I feel important. Yeah, this is good. 11 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,917 >> You're like 8 ft tall. >> You don't realize [laughter] that. 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,877 >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not standing up because it would be like he's like 13 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,077 counteracting for all of us. >> It's like he's like 8 ft. 14 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:39,877 >> Last time we talked to you, I think you were doing 4 minutes on the dead hang. 15 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,197 What's it up to now? >> 5:05 >> 5:05 >> 5:05. What about in the cold, though? 16 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,277 That's going to affect you, right? 17 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,797 >> We need to have a special minute for that. 5:05. For those of you who haven't 18 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,677 done a dead hang, first of all, go do it. 19 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,997 >> Why is it important? >> Um well, there there are very few things 20 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,477 that are proxy indicators that are accurate for health. It's like dead 21 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,997 hang, farmer's walk, body weight, and VO2 are the three ones that count. 22 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,637 >> Okay. >> I don't think anyone really >> one rep max bench bench press? That's 23 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,957 all I focus on. >> Okay, well, you know, it's like 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,837 >> I feel like I feel like as long as I have a really impressive bench press, 25 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,597 I'll I'll live a short but glorious life. 26 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,117 >> Yeah, I don't know. >> Didn't they say something like that? 27 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,677 Yeah, they >> Who wants to live a long glorious life 28 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,837 when you can live a glorious short life? 29 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,637 >> Yeah, I think that's what they tell you before they give you a bad salary and 30 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,837 something like that. >> [laughter] >> I think I think it's like yeah, it's or 31 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,637 it's like yeah, my social life is so great I only have a bot, but I enjoy it. 32 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,837 >> Yeah, so >> A kind of logic. No, but No, it's um >> Dead hang's important. 33 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,077 >> Dead hang is crucial. And you really need to go work on it. Especially anyone 34 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,157 watching your podcast >> Yes. >> is likely to outperform. 35 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,597 >> Yeah. >> You want to have some You know, you want 36 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,117 to be able to do something with that outperformance. 37 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,317 >> Yeah, like dead hang. >> Like Yeah, well, the dead hang may be a 38 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,037 proxy indicator for other things you could do with your outperformance, you know. 39 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,717 >> And you know, >> Not everyone is Yeah, not everyone is 40 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,197 like 6 ft 9 and like You may not need a dead hang, but the rest of us 41 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,357 >> Well, I can cheat because most of the pull-up bars I just stand on the floor. 42 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,037 >> that's right. Yeah. >> And I can hold forever because 43 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,997 >> forever. Yeah, that's right. That's right. 44 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,317 >> Um but it But when you're not dead hanging, uh what should people be doing 45 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,757 with uh the new coding agents? How important is it to learn to code? How 46 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,197 important is it to >> Look, there there are two Everybody's 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,877 worried about like their future, but there are basically two ways to know you 48 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,797 have a future. One, you have some vocational training. 49 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,837 >> Okay. >> So, it's like or two, you're neurodivergent and And I And when I say 50 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:31,997 neurodivergent, I mean broadly defined. 51 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,757 Like You guys are sitting here. You could have had a corporate tool job. 52 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,397 >> Yeah. >> You could have been like I don't want to 53 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,597 pick on Goldman, but like just say, you know, like a job 54 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:41,517 >> know why they're they're laying me off. 55 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,237 >> Well, yeah. >> I I I I I I I did work at Goldman Sachs. 56 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,557 >> Whatever. >> [laughter] >> You could have had You could have had a 57 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:48,117 job where you're like a coder. 58 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,237 It's like yeah, no, actually maybe they didn't know the right way to test. 59 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,397 >> Yeah. >> Like it's like yeah, they were like like, you know, and whatever. I'm not 60 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,197 picking on one or the other. I'm just saying you you you know, the like 61 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,037 you were probably here. You think you're here because of the da da da, but it's 62 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,597 actually you probably wouldn't have been able to do that cuz there's like 63 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,797 It's the same thing as Sit down in class and learn some >> Mhm. 64 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,517 >> Like and you just regurgitate it. 65 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:09,797 >> Mhm. 66 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,997 >> Like that's not a valuable thing. If you 67 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,917 are actually have insights into anything and you have real technical expertise, 68 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,717 like you know, you can look at a company, but you actually can look at it 69 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,197 because you know something about how these things work or something about how 70 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,997 clients work. You know, then all the other stuff that used to be precious, 71 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,517 like being able to do low-end coding, being able to do low-end lowering, being 72 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,117 able to do low-end reading and writing. 73 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,957 I mean, you got This is like I feel like Odin came down and was like, "I'm going 74 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,967 to make the world just right for a dyslexic." 75 00:03:42,050 --> 00:03:45,077 >> [laughter] >> It's like Yeah, I Odin has come down 76 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,037 from or Loki has come down and said, "You know what, Carp? You suffered so 77 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,157 much as a kid. I'm just going to make the whole world so everyone else can 78 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,357 suffer. I don't want that. It's like now, but it's really an inversion. Like 79 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,597 everybody with like the normal shaped skulls are dyslexics cuz like the 80 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,797 meaning the thing they can do that used to be valuable is not so valuable. The 81 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,517 thing that they need to learn to do is like be more of an artist, look at 82 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,917 things from a different direction, be able to build something unique. 83 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,517 >> Mhm. >> And then you see this on the battlefield like and one of the most 84 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,437 underappreciated things about fighting a war, which is the I mean there are basic 85 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,677 core things civilizations do. Like build 86 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,917 technology for war. Is every society 87 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,077 fights differently. Every component of this society fights differently. And 88 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,957 when like American as allies that we do not even approach these problems in the 89 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,837 same way. What it makes America lethal it more so than any currently country is 90 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,437 like a combination of obviously the technology, which we're super interested 91 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:45,717 in and and and believe are paying a huge part in. Um but it's like 20 years of 92 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,317 like operators figuring out what worked, what 93 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:54,157 not what worked in a manual. Like what worked in reality. Also, even selection. 94 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,197 If you look at the selection of people like you meet like tier one operators 95 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:00,637 they don't look anything like what people would think. It's not like the 96 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,517 movies. They're like these like these like this big and like you know, it's 97 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,317 like because we have Yeah, we have we have we have 98 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,197 specialized ways of doing that. All that 99 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:14,757 is crazy valuable. A- as a proxy indicator people who are 100 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:19,517 getting their news from you are just likely to massively outperform people 101 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,237 are getting their news from something that's a regurgitation of you got to 102 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,237 vote for one party or the other. Um 103 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,317 and then the the real problem we have in society is not your listeners or 104 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,877 Palantir's customers or our partners. 105 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,277 It's like well, what happens to everyone else? Are they going to lynch us? Cuz 106 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,197 like that's the real problem. Like these 107 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:39,477 products like what we're building like 108 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,477 our our our our agents mean that like 109 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,517 the most I mean the most powerful people in the Democratic Party are highly 110 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:51,357 educated female voters. And these technologies, like they love they I mean 111 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,037 like yeah, I actually get along with all these people in private and this is a 112 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,797 public dispute, but like largely I've talked to Daria over and over and it's 113 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,317 like, "Yeah, you love one company cuz they they're not pro-Trump. That 114 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,317 company's taking your job." >> Mhm. 115 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,837 >> How are you going to feel about that company when you find that you have no 116 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,877 job? >> Mhm. >> And how what what What do you think the 117 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,117 Republican Party's going to do to products that do not support our 118 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,677 military? What do you think the Democratic Party's going to do to 119 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,837 products, even if you're voting for them, that are taking away the jobs of 120 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,357 every one of your constituents and saying, "Oh, people are going to love 121 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:20,797 you so much and you're going to be poor." 122 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,557 >> Mhm. >> By the way, we love you so much we're 123 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,117 going to give you a little handout once a month. 124 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,717 >> Yeah. >> Like yeah. >> So apply that to the the the 125 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,677 SaaS-pocalypse narrative. The enterprise 126 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,117 SaaS, there's an idea that uh the first 127 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,877 jobs that will be taken might be the 128 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,517 enterprise software products that exist, haven't really innovated, have lock-in, 129 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:40,917 and they're going to be re-platformed. 130 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,917 >> Uh if you the the the thing that these technologies do is they also make it 131 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,197 harder to lie about This is what part of the political realm 132 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:52,317 If something's not creating value or something's not working or there's 133 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,637 corruption, you can't lie about it. And 134 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,597 nobody believes that all software 135 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,317 companies actually create value. I mean, the famous thing that we all learned was 136 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,677 what that we rejected that you were learned and people taught you is like, 137 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,797 "Your software company is supposed to give the client the feeling they're 138 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,477 getting laid while they're getting fucked." 139 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,557 >> Yeah. >> Now, if that's how your products actually are, 140 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,717 you argue Now, it's you who are going to get Like and this is going to 141 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,277 happen so quickly. And the simple test 142 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:27,117 for people who are looking at this is does this product or in our case, we 143 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,077 were never pure software. We're actually 144 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,677 like a hybrid of like humans, FTEs, 145 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,517 augmented humans, so AI FTEs, and then 146 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,757 orchestration, and then and essentially what we would call primitives, like 147 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,077 taking the tribal knowledge of institution, coding it into logic, and 148 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,597 then using that to be extended in LLMs. 149 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,437 Okay. But we don't have to explain that to our clients. 150 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,157 >> Yeah. >> You know. >> So so so there's there was always this 151 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,717 always Palantir consulting firm. Is it all just people? Is there any real 152 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,397 software? I feel like that narrative went away. 153 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,797 >> Oh, no no. They they they couldn't invest in us cuz we were a services 154 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,197 >> Yeah, exactly. >> And now now it's like and now 155 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,357 >> But but but is is is actually having that service capability better in the 156 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,357 future? >> it's not better. It's >> crucial. It's cru 157 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,997 >> It's crucial. Like all these places that made fun of us >> Yes. 158 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,677 >> they're running around and trying to get 159 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,357 FTEs. Getting an FTE is like yeah, it's like yeah, it's not as easy as it sounds 160 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,397 cuz you have to know how to manage it, where to put the person, how to extract 161 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,757 value. And then you need all these products that augment the FTE. All 162 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:28,837 right, what are those products? 163 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,717 Ontology, Foundry, FTE things that we've built. 164 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,077 >> Yeah. >> What we the being able to >> the value of the business is not a 165 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,997 monolithic code base that never changes. 166 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,077 It is the people. It is the deployment. 167 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,677 It is the relationships. Is that how you're thinking about the business these 168 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,557 days? >> Well, actually, the way I I'm telling you like when you walk around here 169 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,197 >> Yeah. >> they only care they don't care about any of that. 170 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,157 >> Yeah. >> What they care about is you transform my 171 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,717 business in in 3 months. It would have taken 3 years and I would never have 172 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,997 happened. >> Yeah. >> That's what they care about. Now then 173 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,397 there's a question of how do you do 174 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,597 that? And that is a that is a concatena- 175 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:05,357 It's artistry. It's like select client, 176 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:10,037 select where you would start, select ways in which you innovate in ways they 177 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,157 would not accept, innovate in places they do not understand. You should innovate. 178 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,717 Learn to manage these very complex By the way, it's not just culturally 179 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,917 complex. It's tribal knowledge. And much 180 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,077 of that tribal knowledge is in rules that they have to apply because there 181 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,117 all sorts of rules about manufacturing, hospitals, war, 182 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:30,757 rules that are applied that they're not 183 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,037 saying they apply, laws, like all sorts 184 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,597 of regulat- regulatory things on top of 185 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:41,437 all that. All that has to happen very rapidly. So, you would need and like 186 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,637 without going into details like I'm in the middle of like every single one of 187 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,317 these discussions in almost every breakdown it's like people do not 188 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,277 understand how institutions work. They don't understand how the software would 189 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,197 work. They don't know how the LM would work. They don't know how the product 190 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,797 that would actually work in that environment and they still at the end of 191 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,157 the day are not saying we're going to charge on value. 192 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,237 >> Okay, how do you institutions work? Why 193 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:07,757 is it that we get these genius models that are 160 IQ? They can solve 194 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,277 incredible math and they're not just like everywhere all of the time. What is 195 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,157 slowing down adoption? >> mean the simple version is they're 160 196 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,917 against a test. But the test isn't it's 197 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,717 a concatenation. The simple math would 198 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,877 be it's 160 on one test but you've got 199 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,437 to pass differentiated tests over a long period of time. So, it's a thousand tests. 200 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,397 >> Yeah. >> So, de facto by the 50th step it's zero 201 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,917 IQ. But then there's also there's also 202 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,717 yeah, I mean it's like it's it's it's insane. Like no I love when I hear about 203 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,317 all this is going to replace and then I go to our clients and they're like could 204 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,237 we have more? We don't even have the capacity. Like it's like it's a surreal 205 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,157 thing. Like would you guys like [laughter] to be FTEs cuz we need some help. 206 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,677 If you're in the audience completely seriously and you're aligned broadly 207 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,597 speaking with America is a great country. You don't have to agree about 208 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:59,197 anything else and you're out there and you're technical or just smart. Apply. 209 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,517 We need you. >> Okay, America is a great country. Put 210 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,317 aside Democrat. Put aside Republican. Is 211 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,237 democracy the correct formulation to 212 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,037 decide the future of AI? Should the 213 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,197 American people be voting or should that 214 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,877 be handled by private companies? 215 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,517 >> No, America well, it depends. Like 216 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,797 like yeah, great. So, in the war 217 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,677 fighting context the Department of War has to be the 218 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,797 arbiter of what gets deployed. 219 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,277 >> As a citizen I vote for the Department of War, right? 220 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,677 >> Exactly, yeah. Now, okay but but I'm just saying. So, I I want to split >> Yes. 221 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:39,117 >> and and foreign. >> Okay. >> We in this country have God-given 222 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,797 rights, literally given to us by higher being. There's a right of free 223 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,957 expression, which >> Mhm. >> we're exercising all the time, and is a 224 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,997 very important to us. >> Mhm. >> There's a Second Amendment, which I 225 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,517 exercise. I I shoot very well. 226 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,757 >> Yeah. >> I would encourage you guys and other people that are listening to avail 227 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,197 yourself of the Second Amendment. 228 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,317 >> Yes. >> Uh it was not It is there to protect 229 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,117 ourselves in case the First Amendment fails. 230 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,437 >> Mhm. >> That's the reason it's there. There's a 231 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,277 a Fourth Amendment, which is essentially we have a right to privacy. Okay. 232 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,237 >> We have those rights. >> Mhm. 233 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,597 >> Adversaries trying to kill us in Iran do not have those rights. 234 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:15,197 >> Sure. >> And I don't believe I've never believed 235 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,117 in extending our rights to foreign countries that are adversarial to us. 236 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,317 >> Mhm. >> I don't even really believe I don't like, you know, in Germany, >> Mhm. 237 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,797 >> where I lived half my life, they don't have a First Amendment. 238 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,477 >> Mhm. >> They don't believe it. And by the way, they've never believed in a First 239 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:29,557 Amendment. They have other rights. 240 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,797 >> That's great. >> I'm not going to dispute that, but I want our rights here. 241 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,277 >> Mhm. >> In this country, 242 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:40,517 uh if you're going to tell the American people you're building what is clearly a 243 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,317 dangerous technology. It's dangerous because it it will likely take your job, 244 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,637 >> Mhm. >> it especially if you're white-collar. 245 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,997 So, >> Mhm. >> if you're voting, you know, you're highly educated 246 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,787 >> Have you flipped on that in the last like 6 months or so because I think 247 00:12:54,870 --> 00:12:56,997 >> [clears throat] >> I think the last time we talked, your 248 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,237 general mindset was like high agency 249 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,077 highly productive people will be able to continue to leverage the tools to 250 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,157 deliver value within organizations. 251 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,637 >> Yeah, I think if you're neurodivergent and high agency and you're highly 252 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,557 educated, that's great. But, if you're not neurodivergent and you're like 253 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,557 lawyer 14506, that's a problem. 254 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,637 >> Mhm. >> Okay. But, let me get to this and 255 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,877 they're they're linked, but it's okay. 256 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,317 On domestic stuff, uh 257 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,117 I we have rights that are not 258 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,997 subject to majority rule. Like I the 259 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,557 majority can vote against us having Fourth Amendment rights. I want that I 260 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,037 want that litigated at the Supreme Court because I we are not our Constitution is 261 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,197 not about majority rights. Actually about the rights of the minority and 262 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,517 it's our right all I bet you the three of us have opinions that are very much 263 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,397 in the minority that we want to be able to say at least in the privacy of our 264 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:56,037 own home, right? And so so that there are real issues. I'm super sympathetic 265 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,317 with restrictions around the use of these 266 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,357 products in a domestic context even though it's funny people out there every 267 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,837 conspiracy theorist thinks yeah, it's insane. I'm the only one 268 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,397 conspiracy theorist you may hate this but there's one person protecting your 269 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,597 rights to be a conspiracy theorist that actually has a seat at the table and 270 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:16,797 that person is me. You may not you may not want to hear 271 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,357 that truth but it's it is true and maybe do a little more reading 272 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,757 before you pontificate on your absurd 273 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:28,597 and obviously ill-informed and many times stupid opinions. Okay, so cuz like 274 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:29,997 you're attacking the person who's 275 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,517 protecting you idiot. 276 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,797 It's like so stupid. Do do use 277 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,477 one of the bots to correct your opinion. 278 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,637 It's like I'm being attacked online now. 279 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,117 It's like Dr. Karp is anti progressive first of all because of my whole life. 280 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,277 I'm the only one just telling you the truth. These things are going to take 281 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,957 your job. Okay, so then but in the war fighting context 282 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,317 and it's the primary justification for these products has to be it's it's 283 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,477 they're two relevant powers now us and China. 284 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:02,157 This is a have have not world. It's going to be either us or them it's 285 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,837 basically deciding the world order because like these other countries and 286 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,837 maybe India will will will get involved maybe the Arab non-Arab Middle East but 287 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,397 currently on the trajectory we're on now there are two places where these things 288 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,197 are being developed and deployed it's us or them and I'm not particularly you 289 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:18,837 know, I'm not I'm not out to hurt China. 290 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,517 I'm just out to I think we we win. 291 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,917 >> Yeah. I'm not trying to hurt them. And 292 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,797 in that context, you can't say we're not going to do X, Y, and Z. 293 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,077 I mean, I can give you examples, but like >> Sure. 294 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,317 >> there are data sets that are publicly available in the US market 295 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,517 that should I don't think should be used against you and me in a law for law 296 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,197 enforcement context more than with the help of say AI agents and ontology. 297 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,557 >> Yeah. >> But if you don't use it on the battlefield, you obviously Iran's going 298 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,157 to use them. You don't think they can go online and buy those products? And And 299 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,397 by the way, without going into somewhat classified data, those things are in 300 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,717 combination with other things lethal. 301 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,917 Like a lot of people who want to hurt America on the battlefield end up dead 302 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,237 because of our ability to aggregate and then figure out what's going on in the 303 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,757 battlefield before they can figure out what we're doing. 304 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,677 And so like I'm very much in favor of it for moral reasons, but I'm also in favor 305 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,997 of it like I don't know how else you explain this to the American people. 306 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,957 We're We're going to take your job. 307 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,517 We're going to take away your going to eviscerate your ability to to to have 308 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,677 money and power. But that we're not going to defend you on the battlefield 309 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,357 just seems like yeah, well, they're going to You know what's actually going 310 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,677 to happen? That nobody believes me in tech, but 311 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,557 there's going to be a movement in this country that becomes very strong very 312 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,117 quickly to nationalize these things. 313 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,397 First, it's going to be take away all our money the bill the billionaires that 314 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:36,917 are evil. You may not have heard that. 315 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,237 Super evil. And if you take away their money, it'll help poor people. That's 316 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,957 really important to understand. Making rich people miserable is the only way to 317 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,997 help poor people. That's obviously true. 318 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,157 So once you've learned that, the next thing you're going to learn is we have 319 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,957 to nationalize the >> They're going to They're going to quote you on that. 320 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,517 >> Yeah. Well, >> [laughter] >> it's like >> They've quoted you on on Well, so so I 321 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,757 mean, it sounds like you're you're you're closer to Dario on, you know, 322 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,157 potentially 50% of early stage white-collar job loss. Like you're 323 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,797 you're you're aware that there's a risk at least a probability. You're aware of 324 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,277 it. Well, what do you see as the solution? 325 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:14,317 >> Um well, first we just have to I mean, well, I mean, the obvious thing is okay, 326 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,157 we can't have any migration here. Like how are we going to more jobs? Like, 327 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,237 it's like you have to What the problem in fairness not that people want to be 328 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,357 in the business of being fair to policy leaders, but 329 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,237 that we are dealing with technologies that will determine the policy 330 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,237 decisions. So, you can't just pretend 331 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,237 they're not happening. Like, step one is 332 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,437 like the we it's going to be hard and 333 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:41,117 but possible to make this society work given that 334 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,397 transforming it requires these technologies. Like, all the like I 335 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:45,637 really like the people who are here. 336 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,677 They're not here cuz they like me. 337 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,637 Like, maybe they're here for my jokes. 338 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,277 High quality in some cases. But, it's like a long trip and we're here and then 339 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:54,597 I'm the only one who likes this weather. 340 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,157 It's great weather. I brought it for you. It's >> [laughter] >> but 341 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,117 they're here because they've seen their business being transformed. And this is 342 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,877 happening in America more than it. So, we have to win those battles, but the 343 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,277 costs are going to be very high. And so, you have to work back from Okay, the 344 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:14,957 costs are going to be very high. We we can't put oil on the fire. It's like, 345 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,717 you know, it's like, well, getting jobs for all Americans is going to be hard 346 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,317 and people maybe who become Americans, but it's like you have to have different 347 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,477 policies around migration. You have to different policies around how we train 348 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,557 people. Like, currently, if you're a young kid in high school and you're 349 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,277 neurodivergent, they're literally track chaining into your chair and feeding you 350 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:36,277 medication so you can have skills that are not valuable. 351 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:40,317 Like, it's so it's like and then we'll probably over time have to have like a 352 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,317 discussion of like, yeah, if you go into this career 353 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,117 you're not going to have a job. Like, a really honest discussion about that. 354 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,357 These are the places where you are likely have a job. 355 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,517 And yeah. >> Help me you know, 356 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,037 it seems like we 357 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:00,077 as a country will probably head down a 358 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,597 more European path where it is becomes 359 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,357 very very difficult or near impossible to let people go. Do you think that's 360 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:12,757 correct? I mean, in Germany, in Germany, it's much harder to to lay someone off. 361 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:18,517 And and that does impact I mean that does impact the the growth of of companies. 362 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,157 >> Mhm. >> But I think many Germans would argue that's probably 363 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,157 >> Yeah, you know, Germany's I mean I won't I'll I'll answer your question. 364 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,637 Germany's an interesting place. I did this thing in German where I basically told the 365 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,957 truth which you're not allowed to do in German. It was like 366 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,557 you know, it's kind of really bad situation and the economy sucks. The 367 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,197 migration thing's a complete disaster and the energy situation is like 368 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,197 compounds everything and I got thousands of people literally 369 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,677 saying thank god someone told the truth. 370 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,277 Um and there are a lot of people like you guys, young people building things 371 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:55,917 that feel hampered and and and are correct to feel hampered. 372 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,077 I I think the American version if we're not careful is not going to be the 373 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,997 German version. I think it's going to be hang the rich. 374 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,557 I I it's like I think it's going to be not protect everybody else. It's going 375 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,277 to be like, "Oh look, this is too dangerous and we're going to hang the 376 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:12,517 rich but not really help the poor." And this in fairness to the German version, 377 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,557 like, you know, German like health insurance insurance all that stuff it 378 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:21,197 works. Like I was I was poor in Germany for like a decade. And like I had I had 379 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,157 the best life on the planet. Like it was like being poor in Germany is like being 380 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,637 better than being rich here in some in some days. 381 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,877 >> So basically policies that lift the floor, re-education, training. 382 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,197 >> you're So if you want to do what we could do here, we the things we could 383 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,197 adopt from Germany are Germany has three high schools. 384 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,317 >> Yeah. >> Two are vocational. 385 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,877 >> Sure. >> One is academic. >> Better education. 386 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,437 >> Better programmatic vocational a 387 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,197 vocational it also has a bad like a weird vibe here. Like vocational 388 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,277 training in Germany is very technical. 389 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:56,797 Like the people building the cars at BMW or even in the French version Airbus, 390 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,757 like very complicated jobs. They didn't go to college. They went to a very very 391 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,197 high-end high school and they come out without any debt. And that stuff is 392 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,077 really valuable. So if you want to you you have to completely transform our 393 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,717 educational system and and go very young into like training people to do things. 394 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,277 You also need to change our testing system. Like different forms of 395 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:19,357 intelligence are all of our tests are built around things that are were 396 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,157 valuable in the Industrial Revolution. 397 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,397 It's like you want to pull out all the dyslexics, all the neurodivergents, 398 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,157 everybody who can't sit or needs to build or wants to build have to go into 399 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,437 a a separate slot of like, yeah, we should have gotten you before you got 400 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,437 turned out of Goldman and like said, "Dude, this is like that's a waste of 401 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,797 your time. You could be building something important." And uh >> What else goes 402 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,157 would be a part of the good outcome? 403 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,677 >> Well, the the the most important part of a good outcome is we show our 404 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,357 adversaries you can't with us and we're the best we're the best military 405 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,157 in the world. Hope I believe we're doing that right 406 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,837 now. On the good outcome side, we yeah, we go around and then on the commercial 407 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,397 side, we go to all these high infrastructure, you know, hospitals, 408 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,237 manufacturing, all these things complicated infrastructure and we AI 409 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,477 enhanced all of them so the prox are legitimately the best in the world and 410 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,877 we rebuild manufacturing in this country. Like a big problem for us 411 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,037 including on the battlefield is our manufacturing just is not up to where we 412 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:18,717 have to be. And that by the way requires reskilling 413 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,477 scaling humans and we're doing this all over the place. I mean, the guy writing 414 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,357 a lot of the scripts for the target these people. They're like high school 415 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,477 college grads, the people building batteries and all these things using our 416 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,717 products. These are high school college grads. There's a lot of opportunity 417 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,397 there. But, you know, one of the things I told the Germans and I would say to us 418 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,357 is we I was like you know, in Germany 419 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,397 you have to call it a crisis. We do need 420 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:44,397 like this is a crisis moment. America is in tomorrow is not going to look like it 421 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,757 looked at all or we're going to have radicalism on right or left. The the the 422 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,357 problem the danger is if we don't do these reforms you are going to get the 423 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,717 pitchforks because that then the only solution people are going to have is 424 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,437 well, you know, let's go after the unlikable rich people in tech especially 425 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,517 AI tech. And then but but then what can 426 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,397 work is you have close the borders, keep 427 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,597 them closed, start doing huge vocational 428 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,037 efforts, change how we test aptitude. 429 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:14,117 Like so we have an accurate diagnostic of where you could be slotted. Uh be 430 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,197 ruthless and like, you know, it's it's like in in certain find out new ways to 431 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,997 test and do ruthless testing and slotting. And then also go around to 432 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,197 universities and just I mean, you know how when you like you want to smoke a 433 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,117 cigarette, it's like this this cigarette may be harmful to you. Maybe we should 434 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,117 be putting that in universities. This university This This university 435 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,197 [laughter] is harmful for your investment. You know, I'm libertarian. 436 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,667 >> This This student debt may be harmful to your future financial health. 437 00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:41,037 >> [laughter] >> for your and your personal life. Explain 438 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:45,277 to somebody you got a million dollars in debt. Yeah, million dollars in debt. I 439 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,477 mean, maybe if you're 6'9 and you >> [laughter] 440 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,597 >> you can get away with that, but the rest of us have to provide. 441 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,837 >> That's funny. Uh help me square this idea. You you were you were talking 442 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,957 earlier today about people 443 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,917 misunderstanding your business. And yet 444 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,997 >> to read about your business? [snorts] >> Oh, I mean, first of all, it's Oh, I 445 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,197 mean, the part I used I I hated but then 446 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,037 the part I love is 447 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:11,197 and it's like your valuable 448 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,437 your your value is pretty directly con- 449 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,677 convergent with people's inability to understand what you're doing. 450 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,277 >> Yeah. >> So it's like it's like all these technologies are potentially 451 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:23,957 commodifying everything. >> Yeah. 452 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,157 >> Okay. So, if you are a business that is, 453 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,557 you know, not services, not product, but 454 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,117 both, but also works on tribal knowledge 455 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,317 on data. And every single business you make is individual. And so, yeah, that's 456 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,237 a crazy valuable business. >> a lot of industries where if the broader 457 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,197 business community doesn't understand your business, you might have a short 458 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,917 report, but you'll have a way less competition because people aren't 459 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,837 copying you because they don't understand the playbook. 460 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,997 >> to copy certain like like in in in we we neglect this. Like, you know, um 461 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,437 almost like uh you even see it culturally luxury products dominated by 462 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,157 the French, watches dominated by the Swiss, currently certain kinds of war 463 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,997 fighting dominated by America. And it's like it's it's very hard for people to 464 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,837 eviscerate these cultural advantages. 465 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,277 And our products augment that, which makes it uh you know, augments the the 466 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:17,477 differentiated specific over the generalizable. And and and that's where 467 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,837 literally all the value's going to go. 468 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,437 And it's going to be like a waterfall. 469 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,277 And that that's the problem with a lot of software companies that's like it's 470 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:28,677 like product ABC-T. But um but but then when you read it, it's like 471 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,757 uh like one of the more depressing things that you guys probably confront, 472 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,197 but it's like a market market huge market opportunity for you is like where 473 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,157 are the experts? Like it's like you know, it's like there's it's like 474 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,037 you know, you you hope and pray like I'll tell you the funniest thing about 475 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:46,037 my life now and people internally know almost every day I'm like, "Wait a 476 00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:49,007 minute. I'm the adult in the room here?" 477 00:25:49,090 --> 00:25:51,917 >> [laughter] >> It's like everywhere I go, it's like 478 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,477 it's like, "Wait a minute. I uh like I 479 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:59,237 and it's like there it it's like and and it speaks so it's it's surreal when you 480 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,917 read about these things, but and it it used to really frustrate me, but now I 481 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,037 kind of just think, "Well, like I can't believe we're still viewed 482 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,837 as crazy." It's like everything we're doing is the only thing that's working. 483 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,197 I mean, like I don't want to like spend 484 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:16,157 a lot of time on our ball our essential essentially ball our numbers from last 485 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,997 year, but it's like you know, 486 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:24,157 clearly our works. Clearly nothing is working at that level. 487 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,957 And you would think they would take like I don't know, 10 minutes to think, 488 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,957 "Okay, well, the thing I believed and I thought would work didn't work at all. 489 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,557 But this thing I thought was insane is guys [clears throat] like a rule of 127 490 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,517 when like no one like 40 is considered like and like but they don't and and and 491 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,277 and and and I yeah, but it it's sometimes frustrating honestly. And the 492 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:47,157 hard part actually is I kind of view it as a feature. Uh 493 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,437 internally we get these bright-eyed kids. It's so it's so funny. I mean, 494 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,717 they one of the get the best people in the world. 495 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,877 >> Mhm. >> But you know, just like I was probably 496 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:00,117 at 21, they're very romantic. It's like, but why does the adult not understand 497 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,637 this? It's like, but but but the adult expert 498 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,557 tells me it's like, I don't know when you guys had to drop the shoe moment 499 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,887 when you realized that like the adults are like, you know, on crack or something. 500 00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:14,877 >> [laughter] >> Like, it's >> Okay. Uh last question. 501 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,997 Would you rather have $10 million 502 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,957 or access to chat GPT in 2012? It's a 503 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,680 viral question. It's going viral right now. 504 00:27:25,380 --> 00:27:27,437 >> [laughter] >> I have to choose one or the other. I 505 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,537 mean, okay. I'm just I don't think it needs >> I don't think it needs 506 00:27:30,620 --> 00:27:32,517 >> [laughter] >> 10 million. >> I don't think it needs 10 million. Can I 507 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,717 Can I have my social life in grad school? 508 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,557 >> There we go. [laughter] Okay. So that's your pick. 509 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,317 >> How about How about your new pick? 510 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,597 >> We just have to ask you the question. 511 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,597 >> you know, it's like, great. I'm going to I'm going to take something I valued. 512 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,637 >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. >> The most valuable thing. 513 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,837 >> Yeah. Your social life in grad school. 514 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,197 Well, thank you so much for taking the time to come chat with us. It's 515 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,037 fantastic. Great to have you. We'll see you soon. 516 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,317 >> Vampire Dracula here. If you found value in this video, please smash the like 517 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,477 button. Let me know your favorite part of the video by commenting below. And 518 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:58,837 most importantly, don't forget to 519 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:05,000 subscribe and ding that bell. Until next time, keep it real.