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excitement here has just
been incredible to watch. Uh,

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and it's not just ChatGPT, Codex
is the fastest growing Codex market in the

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world now, too. Um, but the energy here
and what people are building is, uh,

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is remarkable. >> Okay.
And in terms of, uh, the the

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potential of this market, I know you've
got the the Go plan here, uh, a low-cost

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plan. How do you plan to sort
of monetize people in this market as well

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as you continue to expand here?

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>> Uh, Go is one thing that we're we
really designed with India in mind.

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It's a market that clearly needed it.

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Um, and the enterprise adoption, I think,
will be another very strong angle.

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>> In terms of the infrastructure front,
you have this partnership with Tata as

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well, uh, and the data center.
Also wanted to get your take on what the

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plans are for Stargate in the India
market. Um, when is that happening? I

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think we had the IT minister this week
speaking and saying it's happening. Uh,

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can you give us some updates on that?

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>> We are working, uh, as hard and as
fast as we can to build sufficient AI

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infrastructure in India
to serve the market here.

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Um, it's going pretty well. I don't know
the exact timelines on every project, but,

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uh, the country here
is motivated to build fast.

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>> Do you think we'll
get something this year?

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>> I hope so. >> Hm. Sam,
on on terms of AI competition,

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we know it's intense. There's a there's
a ton of players and and there's a lot

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of competition on the frontier at this
point. Last year you issued this this

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code red, uh, around the competition.
Do you feel you're in a much better place

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now than you were, say,
last back in the last year?

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>> Um, yeah, ChatGPT has been growing very

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strongly, uh, and I feel
great about the current

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models, the upcoming models. It's been
very fun to see the momentum with Codex

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as a new product. Like, ChatGPT
is great, uh, but, you know, always

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expected that to do well. The strength,
uh, of Codex winning the coding market,

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uh, has been a new
and really fun thing to watch.

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>> And and in the enterprise specifically,
I mean, you go up there against

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Anthropic, for example. Um,
the competition Are you managing to gain

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customers? Co-work, there
was a big deal made out of that.

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>> Yeah. >> And the impact it's having.
Um, >> Um, I think most of the enterprise

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momentum right now is still, honestly,
around coding, but I I hope and expect

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that over this coming year we'll start to
see it for knowledge work more generally.

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>> When you start to think about revenue
as well, Sam, ads, this is a new area

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you've only just started them.
What has been the initial feedback so far?

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>> So it's super early and I always
hesitate to talk when something's this

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early, but the anecdotally
the feedback has been pretty

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positive. I think we still have some
work to do to figure out the exact ad

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format um that's going
to work the best, but

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people have are like, oh, this is like,
you know, a cool thing. The

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The ads that I have personally liked the
most in recent years from tech have been

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sort of Instagram style ads um
where you discover something new that

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you might really like and otherwise
wouldn't have known about. I think we've

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got a real opportunity to push
in that direction with ads in ChatGPT.

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>> When you say there's some stuff to
figure out, what are the things that you

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hope to make improvements on? >> Oh,
we're still just like testing very

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different formats, you know,
where and how should an ad show up uh

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like that kind of tactical stuff.

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>> It is it something for I know it's
super early stage, but how much are you

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thinking about taking this to
other markets outside the US?

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>> Eventually we want to, but I
don't know any kind of timeline there.

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>> Uh another big potential new revenue
driver in the future for you, Sam, is

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around hardware. I know you've got Jony
Ive on the team. Is there anything you

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can tease out at this point
around what you're working on?

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>> One of the powerful things about AI is

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how much context it can handle and

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an AI that and we see a little
bit of this with uh Open uh

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an AI that can get to know more and more
about you can give you better and better

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products and services and we'd like
to build a hardware that can do that very

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well in the virtual
and the physical world.

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>> Not a smartphone? >> [laughter]
>> Um the other part of the hardware

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equation as well is is semiconductors,
an incredibly important part of the data

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center, incredibly important part
of what you do in terms of training and

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inference, etc.
Uh semiconductors is an area I believe

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you are investing in and trying
to figure out your own kind of product.

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What does that look like now? Is this
going to be something you can train on

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as well as inference? >> Um

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we we will have a rich

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portfolio of semiconductor approaches.

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We will partner with uh
you know, the sort of

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giants of the field like Nvidia.
We'll partner with newer startups in areas

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like fast inference like Cerebras. We'll

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do our own inference chip as well. Um we

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we expect this to have this
to need more of a portfolio of

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solutions than maybe we initially thought,
but we're very excited with our

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own work here. >> So, we're
not talking just one kind of

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processor like a T like Google's gone
with the TPU. We're talking potentially

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a multiple portfolio
of semiconductors out of Open AI.

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>> Yeah, I mean Google has the TPU. They
also buy Nvidia chips and I believe some

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others too and I think you
should expect the same from us.

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>> Um financing has been a big focus.
I know you're currently undergoing

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potentially more than a hundred billion
dollar round at this point. Are you

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close to closing that? >> Uh if
I were as you know, like legally I

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would not be allowed to talk about that.

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>> Uh just in terms of financing
though, there has been a lot

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of concern about the way artificial
intelligence has been being financed.

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Terms like circular financing have been
thrown around. Vendor financing as well

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giving the fact that you buy chips from
Nvidia invested in you as well. Um there

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is also concern that if there is a
failure at some point in this chain,

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this could have knock-on effects
on companies like Open AI.

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Are you concerned about that? >> I
don't agree with the first part of the

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concern. I do agree with the second part.
Um new revenue has got to come into this

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system. Like people can invest in each
other and buy each other's stuff

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whatever, but if there's not new revenue
coming in, that's when you get into

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there's like nothing here. But, revenue
is growing so fast not just for us, but

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the whole ecosystem that there there's
like a massive amount of revenue coming

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in to support all of this infrastructure.
So, I don't worry about

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that part. Um in terms of any one
layer of the stack failing would

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cause some real knock-on effects
and it's sort of like a very tight supply

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chain right now. I do worry about that.

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>> In terms of not
being able to get access

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to certain technologies, like chips?

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>> If yeah, something like that.

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>> Yeah. Uh the other part of the concern,
some have criticized the valuation

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OpenAI has got and said, "Well, you know,
there's intense competition. We've

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seen things like the deep seek moment
can can disrupt markets uh as well." Um

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your valuation,
do you think it's justified?

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>> I think so.
The revenue that that's up to other

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that's like up to a market
to decide that. I think so.

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>> to profitability eventually,
what does that look like for OpenAI?

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>> Uh

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we are growing at a extremely fast rate
uh right now. I think as long as we can

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have reasonable unit economics,
we should focus on continuing to grow

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faster and faster. Um and we'll
get profitable when we think

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we when we think it makes sense.

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>> Sam, just a very quick final one China.

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Um we had an analyst on CNBC the other
day saying that China techs tech shock

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is just getting started that in 5 to 10
years time, most of the world could be

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running on the China tech stack.
Demis Hassabis was speaking to me very

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recently saying China is just months
behind in terms of its ability to bring

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out models. Just in the past 2 weeks,
we've seen a ton of interesting models

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out of China on on video,
on physical AI. Um

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are Chinese companies' progress being
underestimated right now? Do you feel

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that they're that close as Demis says?

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>> I don't know about being
underestimated, but certainly the progress

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of Chinese tech companies across the

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entire stack and also not just in AI,

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but in many fields is remarkable. Um

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the reason I'm pushing back
on underestimated is it feels like every

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conversation I have is like, "Oh,
China's beating us. What do we do about

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it?" So, I think people are aware
of what's happening there, but uh

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yes, Chinese progress is amazingly fast.

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>> Are they are they near the frontier?
Are they are they near you?

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>> Uh in some areas, yes, and in some
areas, no. It's not quite a unilateral

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thing like that.