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>> THAT'S RIGHT. I'M JUST
WATCHING FROM THE SIDELINES.

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IT WAS A LOT OF GOOD
OLD-FASHIONED AMERICAN TECH,

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AMERICAN TRAINING AND AMERICAN TROOPS.

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LIZ: WELL, YOU'RE
THE NEW-FASHIONED AMERICAN TECH.

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WHAT DO YOU SEE AS A ROLE FOR ANDURIL?

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BECAUSE YOU ARE MAKING AUTONOMOUS
VEHICLES OF ALL KINDS AND WEAPONRY.

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>> THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, THERE IS A FEW
THINGS THAT ANDURIL'S BEEN DOING.

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WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON BUILDING
AUTONOMOUS SYSTEM THAT CAN TAKE

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PEOPLE OUT OF HARM'S WAY,
DO THE DIRTIEST, THE MOST DULL JOBS IN

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THE MILITARY, AND SOME OF THOSE
END UP BEING PRETTY COOL.

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WE'RE ABOUT TO START LARGE
SCALE MANUFACTURING OF THE FIRST

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AUTONOMOUS FIGHTER JET THAT

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ANDURIL'S HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE,
THE YFQ4 FOR THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE.

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LIZ: NO PILOT. >> NO PILOT AT ALL.

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IT FLIES ALONGSIDE U.S. AIRMEN.

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AND THEY'RE ABLE TO TAKE RISKS
THAT HUMAN PILOT WOULDN'T TAKE,

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TO FLY IN WAYS THAT THAT YOU
WOULDN'T HAVE A HUMAN PILOT

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TAKE, AND BY WORKING TOGETHER,
YOU CAN ACHIEVE OUTCOMES THAT

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WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE OTHERWISE.

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WE'RE GOING INTO PRODUCTION
ON THAT THIS SUMMER.

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WE'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. WE'VE BROUGHT
PEOPLE FROM OUR SITE IN COLUMBUS, OHIO, TO

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CALIFORNIA WHERE WE'RE HEADQUARTERED.

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WE'VE BEEN DOING TRAINING, INDOCTRINATION,
AND WE'RE ALREADY SENDING THEM BACK TO

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HELP STAND UP THE FACTORY.
LIZ: THIS SITUATION WITH THE OIL

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TANKER, TO ME, IS VERY FASCINATING.

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YOU HAD THE COAST GUARD CHASING
THIS, AND THEN YOU HAD THE

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RUSSIANS SENDING
A SUBMARINE TO PROTECT IT.

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I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WERE
THAT THEY COULDN'T GET THERE

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CLOSE ENOUGH, BUT WE COULD
HAVE HAD A SITUATION GOWN DOWN.

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YOU'VE GOT THE GHOST
SHARK VEAL -- VEHICLE.

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>> THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE.

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WE HAVE U.S. CUSTOMERS FOR THIS,
WE HAVE AUSTRALIAN CUSTOMERS FOR THIS.

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ANDURIL'S BUILDING ROBOTIC,
AUTONOMOUS SUBMARINES THAT CAN

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DO MANY OR THE THINGS THAT IN
THE PAST COULD ONLY BE DONE BY

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MANNED SUBMARINES, AND THEY WERE LESS
THAN ONE-ONE HUNDREDTH OF THE COST.

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IT IS EXTRAORDINARY LU CHEAP
YOU CAN MAKE A SUBMARINE.

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YOU DON'T NEED A LOT OF THE SPACE
FOR KEEPING A LARGE CREW OF PEOPLE ALIVE.

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AND YOU REPLACE THAT THAT WITH
CREWS AND ROBOTICS THAT DON'T

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MIND THE PRESSURE AND THE HEAT.

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AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW,
RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A

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LOT OF, I THINK,
TRADITIONAL WARFARE PLAYING OUT.

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I DON'T THINK IF THIS WERE
TO PLAY OUT TEN YEARS IN NOW, YOU

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WOULD SEE ALL THESE CREWED SYSTEMS.

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YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT
MORE ROBOT VERSUS ROBOT --

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LIZ: HOW WOULD THAT GHOST SHARK SYSTEM
WORK IN THIS VENEZUELAN TANKER SITUATION?

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IS. >> YOU KNOW,
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SPECULATE.

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ARE. LIZ: GO FOR IT. >> I'M THE TECH
KNOW-HEAD, I BUILD THE TOOLS.

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THERE'S PEOPLE IN OUR ARMED
FORCES WHO ARE EXPERTS ON HOW

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THEY DEPLOY THOSE,
THE STRATEGIES THAT COME OUT UP.

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THEY'D SAY THOSE ARE TACTICS
AND TECHNIQUES THEY MIGHT NOT WANT

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ME NECESSARYILY REVEALING.
BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A

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THREATENING NATION LIKE RUSSIA
OR LIKE IRAN OR LIKE NORTH

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KOREA, YOU WANT TO BE GOING
AFTER THEM WITH SYSTEMS WHERE

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THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE
NOT AFRAID TO LOSE THEM.

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IF YOU PUT A U.S. CARRIER OR A U.S.
SUBMARINE UP AGAINST THEIR

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FORCES, THERE'S A HUGE
POLITICAL, MORAL AND ECONOMIC

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RISK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE IT.

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ROBOTS, NOT SO MUCH. AND SO I THINK
AUTONOMOUS WEAPONS ARE GOING TO GIVE OUR

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ADVERSARIES THE CONFIDENCE
THAT WE ARE WILLING TO ACT, THAT WE

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DO NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS
IMPRESS UPON THEM WITH THINGS

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THAT WOULD COST TOO MUCH TO LOSE.

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LIZ: WELL, YOU SEE, YOU LEFT
OUT ONE NAME, ONE COUNTRY IN THAT

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LIST, AND THAT WOULD BE CHINA.

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CHINA JUST SANCTIONED 20 THE --
20 U.S. DEFENSE COMPANIES AND

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SOME OF THEIR CEOS. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

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LIZ: YOU AMONG THEM, ANDURIL AND PALMER.

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>> IT'S AN AWARD I'M VERY,
VERY PROUD TO WIN.

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[LAUGHTER] ANDURIL, MY COMPANY,
HAS BEEN SANCTIONED FOR YEARS ACTUALLY.

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BUT TO FINALLY PERSONALLY BE
SANCTIONED, TO BE TOLD ALL MY

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CHINESE ASSETS WILL BE SEIZED,
THAT I CAN NO LONGER ENTER CHINA

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OR ANY OF THEIR STATES THEY'VE
TAKEN OVER, I'M ACTUALLY VERY

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PROUD OF THAT. LIZ: THEY CITED U.S.
ARMS SALES TO TAIWAN.

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ARE YOU SELLING OR DOING
BUSINESS WITH TAIWAN?

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>> OR AS THEY SAY, I'M SELLING
TO THE SEPARATIST TERRORIST

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GROUP THAT CURRENTLY CONTROLS
THE ISLAND OF EYE TAIWAN --

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TAIWAN. I'M A BIG FAN OF THE SEPARATISTS.

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LIZ: ARE YOU DOING ANY WORK WITH TAIWAN?

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>> ABSOLUTELY. I WAS ACTUALLY JUST
PERSONALLY THERE A FEW MONTHS AGO.

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WE'RE REGULARLY HELPING THEM
MODERNIZE THEIR MILITARY,

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SENDING OVER TOOLS THAT THEY NEED.

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I THINK THE UNITED STATES HAS
REALIZED THAT WE DO NOT HAVE

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TIME FOR BUSINESS AS USUAL

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ELEVEN WHEN IT COMES TO CHINA'S

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AGGRESSION, AND WE NEED TO

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ACCELERATE THE PROCESS
OF TURNING THEM INTO A PRICKLY

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PORCUPINE. LIZ: THAT'S A BIG STATEMENT.

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WHAT WEAPONRY ARE YOU SELLING?

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>> DEFENSE SYSTEMS, MARITIME
SYSTEMS, SYSTEMS THAT CAN BE

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USED TO TO DESTROY INVADING
AIRCRAFT AND INVADING GROUND FORCES.

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WE'RE DOING A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF,
I'M TO NOT GOING TO TELL

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YOU EXACTLY WHAT, BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT,
MOST OF THE STUFF THAT WE

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DESIGN IS DESIGNED TO GO AFTER
CHINA MORE THAN VENEZUELA.

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AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY
WHY YOU DIDN'T SEE MUCH ANDURIL

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STUFF IN VENEZUELA.
BUT IN -- IF ANYTHING, ANYONE

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GOES TOE TO TOE WITH CHINA, YOU'RE
GOING TO SEE A LOT OF ANDURIL STUFF.

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LIZ: SO DON'T EXPECT A DINNER INI
HAVE INVITATION FROM XI JINPING.

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>> UNFORTUNATELY NOT.
I THINK IT'S OFF THE TABLE.

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THE REAL QUESTION IS IF YOU'RE
GOING TO SEE THE INTERNATIONAL

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COMMUNITY PRESIDENT A BOUNTY ON

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XI JINPING THE -- PUT A BOUNTY ON XI
JINPING THE WAY THEY DID WITH MADURO.

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LIZ: THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION
PUT A 25 -- >> THEY DOUBLED IT.

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JOE BIDEN DOUBLED THE BOUNTY ON MADURO.

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AND IT'S REALLY INTERESTING,
ALL THESE PEOPLE SAID, OH, MY GOD,

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INCREDIBLE MOVING BIDEN UPS
THE BOUNTY, WE DESPERATELY HOPE

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SOMEONE GOES AND CAPTURES THIS
HORRIBLE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL

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AND DICTATOR AND AUTOCRAT,
AND THEN SOMEBODY GOES AND DOES IT,

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AND THEY'RE PRETTY UPSET
THAT IT ACTUALLY CAME TO PASS.

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I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD LOVE
TO SEE BOUNTIES ON MORE OF THESE,

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ON MORE OF THESE DICTATOR TOSS.

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BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO GET
THE STONES TO DO IT.

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LIZ: WHEN THEY GOT HIM,
HE WAS WEARING SOME TYPE OF HEAD GEAR

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YOU KIND OF QUIPPED --

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[LAUGHTER] LIKE THE OCULUS RIFT WHICH YOU

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BROUGHT HERE -- YOU TWEETED
DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS A FAN OF

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V.R -- >> I HAVE TO ADMIT, I ASKED IF

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MADURO WAS ON THE LIST
OF CUSTOMERS AT META, BUT I DON'T

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KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
LIZ LES AND YOU'RE UNVEILING,

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JUST TO PUT A CAP ON IT, RETRO

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TECH HERE WITH ALEXIS TO TO HAVEN
JANUARY, THE FOUNDER OF REDDIT.

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>> I HAVE A SIDE PROJECT THAT
I'VE BEEN RUNNING SINCE I WAS

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ABOUT 14 YEARS OLD, BUILDING
TECHNOLOGY THAT COMBINES THE

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BEST OF RETRO PARTIES, RETRO CONSOLES
BUT MODERN TECHNOLOGY, MODERN PRACTICES.

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WE'VE RELEASE WILLED SOME OF

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THEM, IT'S A NEW HANDHELD THAT
PLAYS GAME BIOGAMES. -- GAMEBOY

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GAMES. A MAGNESIUM ALUMINUM
ALLOY SHELL, A SAPPHIRE CHRIS CALL

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WINDOW KISS PLAY -- CRYSTAL,
AND WE'RE ANNOUNCING NEW THINGS HERE.

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WE HAVE THE ULTIMATE WAY TO PLAY
GAMEBOY GAMES, WE'RE SHOWING THE

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ULTIMATE WAY TO PLAY ANYONE TEN

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DOE 64 -- ANYONE NINTENDO GAMES,
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ANNOUNCING

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OTHER STUFF AS WELL.

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LIZ YOU'RE MAKING ME FEEL GUILTY
FOR HAVING TOSSED OTT MY MIX

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TAPES. >> WE'VE GOT SOMETHING
COMING ON THAT FRONT TOO.

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LIZ: PALMER PALM