>> THAT'S RIGHT.
I'M JUST WATCHING FROM THE
SIDELINES.
IT WAS A LOT OF GOOD
OLD-FASHIONED AMERICAN TECH,
AMERICAN TRAINING AND AMERICAN
TROOPS.
LIZ: WELL, YOU'RE THE
NEW-FASHIONED AMERICAN TECH.
WHAT DO YOU SEE AS A ROLE FOR
ANDURIL?
BECAUSE YOU ARE MAKING
AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES OF ALL KINDS
AND WEAPONRY.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
WELL, THERE IS A FEW THINGS THAT
ANDURIL'S BEEN DOING.
WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON BUILDING
AUTONOMOUS SYSTEM THAT CAN TAKE
PEOPLE OUT OF HARM'S WAY, DO THE
DIRTIEST, THE MOST DULL JOBS IN
THE MILITARY, AND SOME OF THOSE
END UP BEING PRETTY COOL.
WE'RE ABOUT TO START LARGE SCALE
MANUFACTURING OF THE FIRST
AUTONOMOUS FIGHTER JET THAT
ANDURIL'S HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
MAKE, THE YFQ4 FOR THE UNITED
STATES AIR FORCE.
LIZ: NO PILOT.
>> NO PILOT AT ALL.
IT FLIES ALONGSIDE U.S. AIRMEN.
AND THEY'RE ABLE TO TAKE RISKS
THAT HUMAN PILOT WOULDN'T TAKE,
TO FLY IN WAYS THAT THAT YOU
WOULDN'T HAVE A HUMAN PILOT
TAKE, AND BY WORKING TOGETHER,
YOU CAN ACHIEVE OUTCOMES THAT
WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE OTHERWISE.
WE'RE GOING INTO PRODUCTION ON
THAT THIS SUMMER.
WE'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
WE'VE BROUGHT PEOPLE FROM OUR
SITE IN COLUMBUS, OHIO, TO
CALIFORNIA WHERE WE'RE
HEADQUARTERED.
WE'VE BEEN DOING TRAINING,
INDOCTRINATION, AND WE'RE
ALREADY SENDING THEM BACK TO
HELP STAND UP THE FACTORY.
LIZ: THIS SITUATION WITH THE OIL
TANKER, TO ME, IS VERY
FASCINATING.
YOU HAD THE COAST GUARD CHASING
THIS, AND THEN YOU HAD THE
RUSSIANS SENDING A SUBMARINE TO
PROTECT IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WERE
THAT THEY COULDN'T GET THERE
CLOSE ENOUGH, BUT WE COULD HAVE
HAD A SITUATION GOWN DOWN.
YOU'VE GOT THE GHOST SHARK
VEAL -- VEHICLE.
>> THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE.
WE HAVE U.S. CUSTOMERS FOR THIS,
WE HAVE AUSTRALIAN CUSTOMERS FOR
THIS.
ANDURIL'S BUILDING ROBOTIC,
AUTONOMOUS SUBMARINES THAT CAN
DO MANY OR THE THINGS THAT IN
THE PAST COULD ONLY BE DONE BY
MANNED SUBMARINES, AND THEY WERE
LESS THAN ONE-ONE HUNDREDTH OF
THE COST.
IT IS EXTRAORDINARY LU CHEAP YOU
CAN MAKE A SUBMARINE.
YOU DON'T NEED A LOT OF THE
SPACE FOR KEEPING A LARGE CREW
OF PEOPLE ALIVE.
AND YOU REPLACE THAT THAT WITH
CREWS AND ROBOTICS THAT DON'T
MIND THE PRESSURE AND THE HEAT.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW,
RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A
LOT OF, I THINK, TRADITIONAL
WARFARE PLAYING OUT.
I DON'T THINK IF THIS WERE TO
PLAY OUT TEN YEARS IN NOW, YOU
WOULD SEE ALL THESE CREWED
SYSTEMS.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT MORE
ROBOT VERSUS ROBOT --
LIZ: HOW WOULD THAT GHOST SHARK
SYSTEM WORK IN THIS VENEZUELAN
TANKER SITUATION?
IS.
>> YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO
SPECULATE.
ARE.
LIZ: GO FOR IT.
>> I'M THE TECH KNOW-HEAD, I
BUILD THE TOOLS.
THERE'S PEOPLE IN OUR ARMED
FORCES WHO ARE EXPERTS ON HOW
THEY DEPLOY THOSE, THE
STRATEGIES THAT COME OUT UP.
THEY'D SAY THOSE ARE TACTICS AND
TECHNIQUES THEY MIGHT NOT WANT
ME NECESSARYILY REVEALING.
BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A
THREATENING NATION LIKE RUSSIA
OR LIKE IRAN OR LIKE NORTH
KOREA, YOU WANT TO BE GOING
AFTER THEM WITH SYSTEMS WHERE
THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT AFRAID
TO LOSE THEM.
IF YOU PUT A U.S. CARRIER OR A
U.S. SUBMARINE UP AGAINST THEIR
FORCES, THERE'S A HUGE
POLITICAL, MORAL AND ECONOMIC
RISK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE
IT.
ROBOTS, NOT SO MUCH.
AND SO I THINK AUTONOMOUS
WEAPONS ARE GOING TO GIVE OUR
ADVERSARIES THE CONFIDENCE THAT
WE ARE WILLING TO ACT, THAT WE
DO NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS
IMPRESS UPON THEM WITH THINGS
THAT WOULD COST TOO MUCH TO
LOSE.
LIZ: WELL, YOU SEE, YOU LEFT OUT
ONE NAME, ONE COUNTRY IN THAT
LIST, AND THAT WOULD BE CHINA.
CHINA JUST SANCTIONED 20 THE --
20 U.S. DEFENSE COMPANIES AND
SOME OF THEIR CEOS.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
LIZ: YOU AMONG THEM, ANDURIL AND
PALMER.
>> IT'S AN AWARD I'M VERY, VERY
PROUD TO WIN.
[LAUGHTER]
ANDURIL, MY COMPANY, HAS BEEN
SANCTIONED FOR YEARS ACTUALLY.
BUT TO FINALLY PERSONALLY BE
SANCTIONED, TO BE TOLD ALL MY
CHINESE ASSETS WILL BE SEIZED,
THAT I CAN NO LONGER ENTER CHINA
OR ANY OF THEIR STATES THEY'VE
TAKEN OVER, I'M ACTUALLY VERY
PROUD OF THAT.
LIZ: THEY CITED U.S. ARMS SALES
TO TAIWAN.
ARE YOU SELLING OR DOING
BUSINESS WITH TAIWAN?
>> OR AS THEY SAY, I'M SELLING
TO THE SEPARATIST TERRORIST
GROUP THAT CURRENTLY CONTROLS
THE ISLAND OF EYE TAIWAN --
TAIWAN.
I'M A BIG FAN OF THE
SEPARATISTS.
LIZ: ARE YOU DOING ANY WORK WITH
TAIWAN?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I WAS ACTUALLY JUST PERSONALLY
THERE A FEW MONTHS AGO.
WE'RE REGULARLY HELPING THEM
MODERNIZE THEIR MILITARY,
SENDING OVER TOOLS THAT THEY
NEED.
I THINK THE UNITED STATES HAS
REALIZED THAT WE DO NOT HAVE
TIME FOR BUSINESS AS USUAL
ELEVEN WHEN IT COMES TO CHINA'S
AGGRESSION, AND WE NEED TO
ACCELERATE THE PROCESS OF
TURNING THEM INTO A PRICKLY
PORCUPINE.
LIZ: THAT'S A BIG STATEMENT.
WHAT WEAPONRY ARE YOU SELLING?
>> DEFENSE SYSTEMS, MARITIME
SYSTEMS, SYSTEMS THAT CAN BE
USED TO TO DESTROY INVADING
AIRCRAFT AND INVADING GROUND
FORCES.
WE'RE DOING A WHOLE BUNCH OF
STUFF, I'M TO NOT GOING TO TELL
YOU EXACTLY WHAT, BUT I HAVE TO
ADMIT, MOST OF THE STUFF THAT WE
DESIGN IS DESIGNED TO GO AFTER
CHINA MORE THAN VENEZUELA.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHY
YOU DIDN'T SEE MUCH ANDURIL
STUFF IN VENEZUELA.
BUT IN -- IF ANYTHING, ANYONE
GOES TOE TO TOE WITH CHINA,
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF
ANDURIL STUFF.
LIZ: SO DON'T EXPECT A DINNER
INI HAVE INVITATION FROM XI
JINPING.
>> UNFORTUNATELY NOT.
I THINK IT'S OFF THE TABLE.
THE REAL QUESTION IS IF YOU'RE
GOING TO SEE THE INTERNATIONAL
COMMUNITY PRESIDENT A BOUNTY ON
XI JINPING THE -- PUT A BOUNTY
ON XI JINPING THE WAY THEY DID
WITH MADURO.
LIZ: THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION
PUT A 25 --
>> THEY DOUBLED IT.
JOE BIDEN DOUBLED THE BOUNTY ON
MADURO.
AND IT'S REALLY INTERESTING, ALL
THESE PEOPLE SAID, OH, MY GOD,
INCREDIBLE MOVING BIDEN UPS THE
BOUNTY, WE DESPERATELY HOPE
SOMEONE GOES AND CAPTURES THIS
HORRIBLE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL
AND DICTATOR AND AUTOCRAT, AND
THEN SOMEBODY GOES AND DOES IT,
AND THEY'RE PRETTY UPSET THAT IT
ACTUALLY CAME TO PASS.
I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO
SEE BOUNTIES ON MORE OF THESE,
ON MORE OF THESE DICTATOR TOSS.
BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO GET THE
STONES TO DO IT.
LIZ: WHEN THEY GOT HIM, HE WAS
WEARING SOME TYPE OF HEAD GEAR
YOU KIND OF QUIPPED --
[LAUGHTER]
LIKE THE OCULUS RIFT WHICH YOU
BROUGHT HERE -- YOU TWEETED
DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS A FAN OF
V.R --
>> I HAVE TO ADMIT, I ASKED IF
MADURO WAS ON THE LIST OF
CUSTOMERS AT META, BUT I DON'T
KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
LIZ LES AND YOU'RE UNVEILING,
JUST TO PUT A CAP ON IT, RETRO
TECH HERE WITH ALEXIS TO TO
HAVEN JANUARY, THE FOUNDER OF
REDDIT.
>> I HAVE A SIDE PROJECT THAT
I'VE BEEN RUNNING SINCE I WAS
ABOUT 14 YEARS OLD, BUILDING
TECHNOLOGY THAT COMBINES THE
BEST OF RETRO PARTIES, RETRO
CONSOLES BUT MODERN TECHNOLOGY,
MODERN PRACTICES.
WE'VE RELEASE WILLED SOME OF
THEM, IT'S A NEW HANDHELD THAT
PLAYS GAME BIOGAMES. -- GAMEBOY
GAMES.
A MAGNESIUM ALUMINUM ALLOY
SHELL, A SAPPHIRE CHRIS CALL
WINDOW KISS PLAY -- CRYSTAL, AND
WE'RE ANNOUNCING NEW THINGS
HERE.
WE HAVE THE ULTIMATE WAY TO PLAY
GAMEBOY GAMES, WE'RE SHOWING THE
ULTIMATE WAY TO PLAY ANYONE TEN
DOE 64 -- ANYONE NINTENDO GAMES,
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ANNOUNCING
OTHER STUFF AS WELL.
LIZ YOU'RE MAKING ME FEEL GUILTY
FOR HAVING TOSSED OTT MY MIX
TAPES.
>> WE'VE GOT SOMETHING COMING ON
THAT FRONT TOO.
LIZ: PALMER PALM