1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,597 How long is the trip from Austin to here, by the way? 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,677 I I think it's about eight eight or nine 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:11,707 hours. Okay. So, you're fresh like having the first morning. Yeah, exactly. 4 00:00:11,790 --> 00:00:15,757 >> [laughter] >> So, first question is about demography and 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,317 I spoke with you in the past about that and I think it's very important for you 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,917 and you pointed on that a lot of your 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,877 discussion and your purpose. Is it? 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,597 Yeah, I I think you know, I really want to emphasize 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,477 that it's important to have children and 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,357 to create the new generation. 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,637 And as simple as it sounds, if people do 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,917 not have children, there is no new generation. 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,940 So. >> [applause] 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,557 >> Um. So, I I I very very much strongly 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,197 recommend that um you know, I'm very much in favor of 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:57,677 uh humanity expanding and creating a bright and exciting future for the 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,837 world. And 18 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:02,917 um but but but fundamental to the 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,477 furtherance of human civilization is 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:10,117 having humans. As as simple and basic as that sounds, 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,437 um and you know, every year I look at the 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:19,877 uh the birth rates and I'm like it's it's kind of a bit depressing because 23 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:23,437 uh birth rates seem to decline every year. 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,357 Um and I I think uh 25 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,477 you know, that past my my biggest advice 26 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,797 um to leaders, to government leaders and 27 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,917 and and to to the people in general 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,957 would would be to make sure to have 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,277 children to create the new generation. 30 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,277 Um and yeah, I think 31 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,997 any any incentives that can be done to 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,557 incent the new generation to make it 33 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,437 easier uh for women to have children 34 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,677 um and to support the children, I think 35 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,917 would be a very wise. 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,837 Um this is so fundamental uh and uh 37 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,717 I really can't emphasize that enough. If if you if you don't 38 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,637 have a new generation, 39 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,317 there is no new generation. 40 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,757 Um or with current birth rates, I think 41 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,877 it may be the generations are are birth 42 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,277 rates maybe half or half of the replacement rate. And what that means is 43 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:25,277 in three generations, the population will be one roughly 44 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,397 roughly 1/10 of its current size. 45 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,997 In three generations, maybe four generations, the you'll have the 46 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,677 population be 1/10 of its current size. 47 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,877 So, I I I I always um 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,557 want to emphasize this point because it is so basic and fundamental that if if 49 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:45,237 if there's not at least a birth rate 50 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,557 which is keeping population constant, 51 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:51,437 then uh the 52 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,837 a people will will will disappear. 53 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:57,717 Um Disappear means to must disappear. 54 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,477 >> Disappear. We have a lot of immigration. Somebody 55 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,237 says that immigration is important for that reason. What What's your point on 56 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,717 that? Immigration is coming in Europe and is coming in 57 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,557 America from the south of America and then Europe from the south of 58 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:14,597 Mediterranean Sea. What do you think about that? 59 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,477 Well, I I think you one can't depend on 60 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,717 other countries for immigration. 61 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,397 And in fact, if you look at say the the population worldwide 62 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,237 and this is almost everywhere in the world and it seems to be a function of 63 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,717 how once a country industrializes, once a 64 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,637 country urbanizes, the population 65 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,837 immediately starts to decline. 66 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,397 Um so, one could say for example, 67 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,797 um like like China could not possibly solve 68 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,917 uh its population with immigration because if 69 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,877 you you know, China's currently tracking to be maybe lose 40% of its population 70 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,637 every generation. You know, that would be 700 million 800 71 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,317 million people. Um or 700 roughly seven 6 700 million 72 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,877 people. It's a lot basically. You'd have to have the entire United States 73 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,877 immigrate there twice every generation to simply maintain numbers just for China. 74 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,877 So, immigration the simply aren't enough numbers in immigration. 75 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,917 Um and I I think I think there is value to 76 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,357 to a culture uh you know, and we don't want cultures. 77 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,837 We don't want Japan to disappear. We don't want Italy as a culture to 78 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,157 disappear. We don't want France as a culture to disappear. I think we have to 79 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,837 have the maintain this sort of 80 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,077 reasonable cultural identity of the 81 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,717 various countries. Um or they simply 82 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,837 will not be those countries. 83 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,117 Um you know, Italy is 84 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,397 Italy is the people of Italy. The 85 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,437 buildings are there, but but really what 86 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,640 is Italy? Italy is the people of Italy. 87 00:04:54,750 --> 00:04:56,770 >> [applause] 88 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,357 >> So, I I mean I I just think it's a 89 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,517 and and and I I speak as someone who is very much um 90 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,837 very much an I'm an environ- environmentalist. 91 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,877 I I believe in having you know, building 92 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:20,317 a sustainable future for the world. Um I think that there are very few people who 93 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,397 who as as an individual who've done more than than I have for to help the 94 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:29,637 environment with electric cars and solar and and batteries to create a 95 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,677 sustainable energy future because we absolutely need a sustainable energy 96 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:38,690 future. Um But >> [laughter] 97 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,557 >> But but but there is an aspect of the environmental movement that I think has 98 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,877 gone too far. Um Really said from you. Yes. So, said 99 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,317 for me, you know, I think I am objectively one of the world's 100 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,557 leading environmentalists in terms of doing things. Not talk. 101 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,757 >> I I mean an environ- environmentalist who does things. I I've talked of 102 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:04,097 action, not talk. I act. Um 103 00:06:04,180 --> 00:06:09,157 >> [applause] >> So, so I feel I can say as 104 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,317 uh as an environmentalist that the environmentalist movement has gone too 105 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:17,077 far. Um and in that if if you in the natural extension of 106 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,837 the environmentalist movement, if you go too far, you start to look at humanity 107 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,117 as a bad thing. You start to look at humanity as though 108 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,917 we are a plague on the surface of the earth. 109 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,397 Um as though humanity is a bad thing. 110 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:35,917 And in fact, there are some people who think and and say explicitly that in 111 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,997 fact, there was on the front page of the New York Times, there was a guy who said 112 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,757 there are 8 billion people on earth, it 113 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:43,237 would be better if there were none. 114 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,917 Which is crazy. Definitely. Um So, 115 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,637 >> me a joke about the You told me once a joke about the cows and the problem with 116 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,157 the cows. You remember that? Oh, yeah, don't worry about the cows. The cows are 117 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,157 fine. Cows are not going to destroy the 118 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,397 environment. Cows are fine. Yeah. Uh 119 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,957 yes. You know, we have a lot of a lot of laws, European laws again- 120 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,517 against all the people who works with them. You 121 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,397 know, that is a big issue for us because it seems very very 122 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,797 green issue, but it's a very industrial issue for us. 123 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,517 Yeah, I think farming and cows are not 124 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,997 do not have a any meaningful effect on 125 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,357 the environment. Yes, underline, please. 126 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,357 I I yes. Objectively, this is true. 127 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,357 So, so the If you say like there's there's really 128 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,237 only one thing that matters from an environmental standpoint uh for carbon, 129 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,997 which is that we are taking uh billions, eventually trillions of tons of carbon 130 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,997 from very deep within under the earth and putting transferring it to the 131 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,837 atmosphere and oceans. That's the That's actually really all that matters is is 132 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,717 taking um vast amounts of carbon from underground 133 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,117 where it's buried and moving it into the atmosphere by burning it. 134 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,277 Um and if you do that for long enough, 135 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,077 eventually you will get climate change. 136 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,077 Now, I think the climate change alarm is a little somewhat 137 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,357 uh overblown in the short term. It's still 138 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,277 a concern in the long term, but I think it's exaggerated in the short term. 139 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,957 Great. Um Now, now so I have to I'm trying to 140 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,357 thread the the needle here between what you know, 141 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,877 like what is pragmatic and what is sensible. What really matters and what 142 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,357 doesn't matter. What really matters is that over the long term, over the course 143 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,717 of the next uh several decades, that we gradually 144 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,957 reduce how how many 145 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,357 millions and billions of tons of of 146 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,517 carbon that we move from underground and to the atmosphere because we're running 147 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,637 sort of a climate experiment that is dangerous. 148 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,837 Um but but I also don't think that I think of 149 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,797 it as a a fundamental civilizational risk. It it is it's not going to destroy 150 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,197 life on earth. It's not going to destroy 151 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,917 humanity, but it will it will create uh 152 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,557 hardship if you change the climate um 153 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,437 over many decades. So, it's it's it's I I I think my my my message is like I 154 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:08,957 think much more pragmatic and and I 155 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,757 think I think correct and sensible. Um 156 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:18,077 And I I and I don't think we should uh demonize oil and gas. I think we should 157 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,717 we should uh say look, that is obviously necessary in the short term um and the 158 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,197 medium term, too. And it will be take several decades to become sustainable. 159 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,837 So, I think if we just without getting 160 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,877 too worried about it, uh seek to have a 161 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,477 sustainable energy future um gradually, 162 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:38,837 then that's what will happen. Um and so, 163 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,197 but but I think that some of the environmentalist movement has is is part 164 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,677 of what is causing people to lose hope in the 165 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,517 future. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that we should have hope in the 166 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,317 future. We should be excited about the future and we should build the future we 167 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,637 want. >> [applause] 168 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,757 >> What about um Elon? You call it um 169 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,597 the woke mind. Yes, it's your it's the name you 170 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:09,077 gave to that that illness. Woke mind 171 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,197 uh illness. What's that virus? 172 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,677 Yeah, so so It's coming to Europe. I have to advise you, huh? 173 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,357 Yes, well, this is not something you should import from America. Please don't 174 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,827 import the woke mind virus. It's bad. 175 00:10:22,910 --> 00:10:28,237 >> [laughter] >> Um so the the I mean essentially 176 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,917 that it's to summarize maybe the woke mind 177 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,597 virus. It consists of creating very very divisive 178 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:38,597 um identity politics. So, it actually 179 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:41,357 amplifies woke virus mind virus in my 180 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,637 view amplifies racism, amplifies uh 181 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,157 frankly sexism, and all the isms. And 182 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:52,237 what while claiming to do the opposite it it actually divides people and makes 183 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,277 them uh sort of hate each other, and it makes 184 00:10:55,360 --> 00:11:00,397 people hate themselves. Um and it's also anti-meritocratic. It's 185 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,117 not like um you know, it's not merit-based. So, 186 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,357 you want you want to have people succeed 187 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,957 based on how hard they work and the 188 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,517 talents, not who they are, whether 189 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,797 they're man, woman, what what what race 190 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,077 or you know, gender what it That That 191 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,277 stuff is all creating it's an artificial 192 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,357 uh you know, mental civil war that is 193 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:29,237 created. Um and it's not And And let me tell you it's no fun, 194 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,517 okay? No fun at It is like it is like 195 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,957 woke mind virus and fun are incompatible. 196 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,427 There's no fun in that. No joy. 197 00:11:41,510 --> 00:11:44,477 >> [applause] >> It's It's It It woke mind virus is all 198 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:48,717 about condemning people instead of celebrating people. Um 199 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,037 you know, like when in the woke It It 200 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,757 just doesn't celebrate. It's all about condemning and being divisive and and 201 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,917 being uh just I think it's just evil, frankly. 202 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Really? Yeah. Yeah, it's bad. So bad. Yeah. 203 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:08,997 But have you get a lot of problems 204 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,397 saying so on on your social and ex or 205 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,077 have this point of view? You are 206 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,677 good friend of Obama administration, and now they don't really like you so much 207 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,997 for for this kind of speech you do in in 208 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,837 public or not? 209 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,557 I don't know. I I mean I I I just um I'm very I'm very pro-human. I'm very 210 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:34,957 pro-civilization. I'm in favor of uh humanity um 211 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,557 and and our collective consciousness 212 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,197 expanding um on Earth and going beyond 213 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,437 Earth uh being a multi-planet species, a 214 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,557 space-faring civilization, and being out 215 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,357 there among the stars, and finding out 216 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:52,357 the nature of the universe. Like all the things that, you know, it's That seems 217 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,277 like to me an an you know, exciting 218 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:59,637 thing somebody can get really excited about. Is Is you can get excited like we 219 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,957 want to have ideas that make you look forward to 220 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,317 waking up in the morning, look forward to the day, look forward to the future. 221 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,477 And I you know, so you have to say 222 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:13,997 what 223 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,637 What excites you about the future? 224 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,037 What moves your heart about the future? 225 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,237 What makes you say like, "Yes, I'm glad about what will happen in the 226 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:29,277 future." That's what we must you know, focus on. And that's That's 227 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,517 why we have to have a new generation we've got to build and we got to grow. 228 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,997 And and uh like I said, we understand this understand the 229 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,957 the the the nature of this beautiful universe that we find ourselves in 230 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,717 and the meaning of life or even what questions to ask about you know, the 231 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,997 meaning of life. Um 232 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,957 let us explore this wondrous creation 233 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,237 and and have a good time doing it. Yeah. 234 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,437 That's my philosophy. >> [laughter] >> Let me Let me go back for a little 235 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,877 because I want to ask you about your perception of Europe as a building, not 236 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,237 as as people because Europe do a lot of laws, want a lot of integration of 237 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,917 cultures, different cultures, and has different approach to the immigration. 238 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,957 We heard Meloni did a lot on that with the 239 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,037 Premier Rama I see in the first line of Albania. What do you think about the 240 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,597 this approach of Europe approach as building, I would say as an established 241 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,677 building. 242 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,637 Well, I I should say like on the To be 243 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,037 clear on on immigration overall, I'm I'm 244 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,237 very much in favor of legal immigration. 245 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,597 I think that um generally I think we 246 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,877 should one should welcome to a country anyone who is willing to work hard 247 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,517 and is honest, you know, has high integrity, and will add to, you know, 248 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,437 any given country. If somebody is an asset to the country, why not have them 249 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,477 join? That's obviously a great thing to 250 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,317 do. Um so, I think it it's good actually 251 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,357 to have an increase in legal 252 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,277 immigration. And And a simple Legal with 253 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:09,077 paper, with uh Yeah, just some some approval process. Should um with a 254 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,717 simple requirement that look, if somebody is 255 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,197 going to add to a country um like just 256 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,557 really hard working and high high 257 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,917 integrity let them in. I think that's 258 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,037 great. Um but if there's if it's illegal 259 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,557 immigration and there's no filter, well, 260 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:30,317 how do you know who's coming? You don't know. So, you you have to have some 261 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,877 you know, uh basis for saying somebody should come in 262 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,357 or not come in. And And And And And my argument is like it should be a very 263 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,837 simple basis. Uh will they Will they add 264 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,877 to the country? Will they be a 265 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,997 productive part of the economy? And um 266 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:51,037 do they admire the culture? Do they want to join because of the culture? Uh then 267 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,357 that's great. Um but if you know, if if there's no 268 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,717 process for that, then you don't know. I think, you know, at least some number of 269 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,357 the people that come in will will not be necessarily uh And And I want to be 270 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,637 careful because my words will be misconstrued. Yeah. I'm not saying all 271 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,557 illegal immigrants are are are bad. I 272 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,677 think probably perhaps most of them are good. But But 273 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,637 there will be some if there's no process 274 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,597 for reviewing not at all, 275 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:24,317 then how can you say that everyone who is an illegal immigrant is is going to 276 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:29,560 be honest and hard working? You can't say that cuz you simply don't know. 277 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,517 Um so 278 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,717 So, I want to be clear top line, pro-immigration, but but let's increase 279 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,117 legal immigration, but but we should stop illegal immigration. I think this 280 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,757 is just logical. >> [applause] >> You 281 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,397 You have a lot of company. That's all right. You can drink because 282 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,037 I want to do the list of the companies. 283 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,877 You have 5-7 minutes to do that. I mean, 284 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,877 I'm joking with SpaceX X 285 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,917 Neuralink So many X's. Huh? Uh I All the 286 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,877 X's. Guess what my favorite letter is. 287 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,677 Okay. [laughter] X, I guess. 288 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,437 Is a good place to invest Italy? Is a 289 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,997 good place place to invest some of I mean, not your money, but you have 290 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,037 some investment from your company of the American companies of the I would say 291 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:18,517 competitive companies in this place. 292 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,197 What's your opinion? No, I I I mean, I think Italy is uh an 293 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,757 incredible country, incredible culture. 294 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:29,237 I love I love visiting. I love the Italian people. I think you guys are amazing. 295 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:36,160 Thanks. >> [applause] >> So, Italia. 296 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,997 So, um 297 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,037 So, I I I I want I I you know, personally I want I want the Actually, I 298 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:47,717 want the prosperity of Italy and I want the prosperity of every country. Um 299 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,037 I want the prosperity of humanity as a whole. And And like I said, I want I had 300 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:54,837 to ask to have an exciting uh future where we're we're fired up 301 00:17:54,920 --> 00:18:00,117 about what's going to happen and really excited. So, uh you know, I And And I 302 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,157 think um it it you know, Italy is a great place to invest. It's a 303 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:10,117 great uh you know, great country. Um >> [applause] 304 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,317 >> And uh but but I I do want to emphasize that the the 305 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,277 that I I do worry that about the the low birth rate. And you know, if if if a 306 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:22,357 com- if a company is to invest in Italy, they're like, "Well, you have to say 307 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,597 like, will there be enough people to work there?" 308 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,517 You know, it's a simple question, you know, if if if if the workforce is 309 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,117 declining, then if the workforce is declining, then 310 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,517 then the then who will work at the company? It's simple. If there's no 311 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,317 people, there's no people to work >> Yeah, but I mean, in 50 years to 60 312 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,957 >> but I think it's even sooner than that, though, you know, if all the 313 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,797 >> You're so worried about that. 314 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,197 Is the problem. I I I I feel like a total Cassandra here um 315 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,357 because like I seem to be worried about it much more than other people. Um 316 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,597 but you know, there just uh needs to be people If you don't make 317 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,797 a new generation of people, there is no new generation of people. 318 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,757 So, that's it. I I know I'm I'm I'm being rep- 319 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,237 you know, I'm being rep- rep- repetitive here. Um 320 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:17,397 but um I'm just I'm just trying to state state facts, you know? 321 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,637 So, and uh yeah. So, 322 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,597 Is a good place to invest. I know I agree it's a good place to invest. Um 323 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:32,357 and uh and and what a wonderful country. So, um 324 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,997 please make more Italians is what I'm saying. 325 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,100 >> [laughter] 326 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,637 >> You said once that the internet is the 327 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,237 is the system is the new I I I write down the the the your word, the nervous 328 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,437 system of humanity. What's it? The essence. Yes. 329 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,197 >> You said once to me. And what is 330 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,517 artificial intelligence for you? 331 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,197 Sorry, then? The intel- artificial If that is the nervous system, intelligence 332 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:03,320 artificial intelligence, what's I mean, use another metaphor. 333 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,800 Uh you asked me what do I think of artificial intelligence? Obviously. 334 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,800 Well, you can think of artificial intelligence as um 335 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,837 This is perhaps the the biggest inflection point in 336 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,277 intelligence since Homo sapiens. 337 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:26,517 Um Yeah, yeah, yeah. 338 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,837 Um 339 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,557 Artificial intelligence is will be essentially a sort of a a new 340 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,677 species or is a new species. Um So, I think one of the biggest 341 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,357 challenges if you if if I look at say 342 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,597 civilizational risk um 343 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,677 you know, the the risk to the future of humanity um 344 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,597 you know, birth rate is one of them if we just don't have kids and dwindle away. 345 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:58,237 Um that's one which I've talked a lot about. The other is uh 346 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,397 you know, there's always like potentially nuclear war, of course, that 347 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,117 kind of thing. Um 348 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,717 The then AI is also an existential risk. 349 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,917 And we need to be um I think we need to be careful with the 350 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,120 advent of AI. Um 351 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,797 It it it but it is very much it's a it's a very much a double-edged sword. You 352 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,837 can think of AI as kind of like the magic genie. 353 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,397 You know, that like digital super intelligence will be 354 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,877 capable of doing anything. 355 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,357 Anything? Pretty much anything. 356 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,120 >> But he doesn't have any consciousness. 357 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:39,237 I'm I'm wondering about that. I mean, there is a whole question of like what 358 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:44,637 is consciousness? In fact, so here's like a I was I thought a lot about what is 359 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,477 consciousness and where does consciousness arise? 360 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,757 Um you know, just to say like 361 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,437 because I I think in terms of physics, you know, um 362 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,877 And it it at least if physics is true, then we go from 363 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:04,837 a start of the universe where things are almost entirely hydrogen. And then if 364 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,317 you leave the hydrogen out in the long enough, eventually it coalesces into 365 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,757 stars. And then those stars explode. 366 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,717 And then they re- recondense. 367 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,997 Um you know, and so so like 368 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,317 most of the mass in your body is was once at the center of a star. 369 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,837 Which is kind of wild, billions of years ago. 370 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,477 And so so where where along the lines of of 371 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,117 hydrogen 372 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,277 to human does consciousness arise? 373 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:40,437 You get very serious when you speak about that, huh? Yeah, it's a real 374 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,677 question. If you leave hydrogen out in the sun long enough, 375 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,757 it it starts talking to itself. 376 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,517 Here we are, hydrogen talking to itself. 377 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,317 How to deal with that? So, if it is so important, how is to deal? I 378 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,557 mean, right laws 379 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,397 person behave How how to deal with that artificial intelligence? This is a 380 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,957 process, I mean I think we need to keep 381 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,637 a close eye on artificial intelligence. 382 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,797 Um I mean, I'm in favor of some regulatory 383 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,757 insight just so that there's someone can at 384 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,717 least um be a referee. Like if you think of any 385 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,637 game, like there's always a referee for a 386 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,237 game. For for industries that affect the good 387 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,397 of the people, there's are there are regulatory agencies that oversee those 388 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,757 industries. 389 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,117 Anything that's dangerous is overseen by 390 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,597 uh some kind of referee or regulator. 391 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,037 Um I think we should have the same thing for AI. 392 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:42,397 Um just to to help 393 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,517 ensure that it is beneficial. Um the 394 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,237 the good part of AI is that we are headed for a future of abundance. 395 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,437 Um so AI and robotics will 396 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,117 mean that there are no shortage of goods and services. You there's there will be 397 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,237 goods and services. If if you can think of it, you can have it, basically. 398 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:08,117 So, this is a quite profound. Like I said, it's the 399 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,797 magic genie. Um AI and AI and robotics will get you 400 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,557 anything you want. 401 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,237 Um now, usually in these sort of 402 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,837 fairy tales about magic genies, it doesn't turn out so well. 403 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,677 Um You have to be careful what you wish for, even if what you wish for are wishes. 404 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,637 Um So, 405 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,997 it's just something we should be cautious about. Okay. 406 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,677 Um On the plus side, it will bring many 407 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,877 benefits, like I said. It will 408 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,077 it will usher in an age of abundance. 409 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,077 Um The so the the positive scenario of AI 410 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,917 is that there's an age of abundance and there's no shortage of goods and services. 411 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,597 That any scarcity that is that exists will be only because we 412 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:03,040 define it to be scarce. So, 413 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,237 and it does seem to be somewhat of an inevitable thing 414 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,960 uh AI. So, 415 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,357 you know, there's that supposedly that that's a Chinese saying about 416 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,597 uh may you live in interesting times. 417 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,397 Well, I think we currently live in the 418 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,717 most interesting of times in all of 419 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:27,480 history, right now. Um 420 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,157 So, anyway, so my recommendation on AI is I think we want some kind of 421 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,557 regulatory oversight just to make sure um 422 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:40,240 that it's beneficial AI. Great. We hope so. 423 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,797 And what about what the governments like 424 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,957 I mean, they are elected by people like 425 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,437 Meloni and this government and the other government, they have any risks or what 426 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,957 do you think about these um 427 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,157 challenge for the for the executive of 428 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:03,117 the nations about all these new process? 429 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,387 Sorry, I'm not sure I understand the question. 430 00:26:05,470 --> 00:26:09,597 >> [clears throat] >> What's the risk for the government of 431 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,437 this artificial intelligence? Are there any 432 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,880 risks? I mean, the democracy is finished. 433 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,917 Well, I think there's certainly a risk of artificial 434 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,597 intelligence um affecting 435 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,637 voting opinion, I think I suppose, and manipulating public opinion. 436 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,077 Um So, I think there's there's some risk of yeah, 437 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:39,837 AI um manipulating the public. 438 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,237 I think that's part there's there's some risk of that. 439 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,317 Um So, yeah, um 440 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,797 Okay. You know, But I think prob- like like I 441 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:55,437 said, 80% probable that AI is beneficial, 20% harmful, something like that. 442 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,517 >> I am I'm always worried because you know, we 443 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,157 have a new government just 2 years this government, almost 2 years. And we have 444 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,877 a Europe for us is our artificial intelligence. It seems like artificial 445 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,517 intelligence, but it's not very intelligent sometimes Europe. And so, 446 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,117 I'm wondering what do you think about the government and about Europe? For us 447 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,757 is so important the relation. I I understand artificial intelligence in 448 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,957 the future, but in the present we have laws 449 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,277 you know, constraints that comes from Europe. What 450 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,197 do you think about that if you have any opinion on that? What do you think about 451 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,677 about Italian government which is trying to have a 452 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,157 position? I would say a position Meloni. 453 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,077 I don't know if this more than a position. You want me to be more tough 454 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,717 than a position? It's okay. What do you think? 455 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,917 Is is good to have a position in Europe to be I mean 456 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,117 I would say 457 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,760 different from main course of European politics. 458 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,117 Um you mean you mean like 459 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,357 country decisions versus EU decisions or 460 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,997 Decision about green, about the politics, immigration. 461 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,077 Oh. 462 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,037 I mean, I there's a separate question of 463 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:11,557 like I think regulations in Europe um 464 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,597 there are too many regulations. 465 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,917 In in general, not I'm not speaking 466 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,837 about specific case of AI. The I I think 467 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,197 one could look at this as overall a 468 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,797 fundamental function of 469 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,197 of a stable civilization. The long- the 470 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,437 longer that any given civilization is 471 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,637 stable and does not have a big war, the 472 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,717 more rules and regulations will accumulate over time. 473 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,637 So, rules, regulations, laws, they are 474 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,877 immortal. They never die. 475 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,797 So, but people die. So, if every year 476 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,277 um more and more rules, regulations, and laws are added, uh 477 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,477 you you will eventually make everything illegal. 478 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,517 Um and you can think of it sort of like 479 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,477 Gulliver's Travels where 480 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,917 Gulliver if if the nation is Gulliver 481 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,277 is being tied down by one little regulatory string at a time. 482 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:11,397 And eventually you have millions of strings. And then the giant can't move. 483 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,237 And so, and like I think there needs to be 484 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,197 something where we uh delete rules, 485 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,957 regulations, and laws. Um cuz if we keep if we simply if all we 486 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,277 do is add them, eventually we will be able to do nothing. 487 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,277 Okay. Shall shall I shall I do some question 488 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,597 about your companies? Because here there are all the young people, not only the 489 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,117 young people from important important 490 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,037 Italian party. And they most of them use 491 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,037 the social network, they use X. And I I 492 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,357 I saw in the past 493 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,637 days that the CEO of Disney said, I 494 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,317 don't want to invest any advertising on 495 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,677 X and he's uh 496 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,317 investing for example in the meta, in 497 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,957 the Instagram and he said that there are problems of I don't know which kind of 498 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,277 problem they find on X. Child exploitation on 499 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,357 Instagram. Yeah, what what's what's going on and why why an important 500 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,517 investor like Disney said something so 501 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,117 tough on on X? What's going on there? 502 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,717 Well, I think X will be will be fine um 503 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,477 and um we are actually already seeing um 504 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,637 advertisers return to to X. 505 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,877 Um so I guess they were I don't know upset with something I said or something 506 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,397 I don't know. Um but um 507 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,077 they you know, advertisers I think 508 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,397 are 509 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,837 the brand advertisers are little they're 510 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,117 always worried about their brand and um 511 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,957 you know, maybe I think maybe a bit more than they should be um 512 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,837 but I think it's a short-term issue. Um 513 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,997 like I said the advertisers they sometimes get upset but 514 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,637 then they usually calm down and they return to advertising. 515 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,357 So um Come on, you know that there is a woke 516 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,197 virus over there. Well, oh yes We have to say so I I don't want to answer for you. 517 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,037 >> Yeah, yeah, no no, you're right. You're right. 518 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,597 If we're going to fight the woke mind virus then the woke woke mind virus will 519 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,957 fight back and unfortunately Disney is 520 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,037 deeply infected with the woke mind virus. In fact, if you ask an AI what is 521 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,480 the most woke company on Earth, it's Disney. 522 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,197 You know. >> [applause] >> But 523 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,397 and and you have to say what would I mean, I think they should be asking 524 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,677 themselves what would Walt Disney think of Disney today? I think he's turning in 525 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,037 his grave. 526 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,917 I think he's not happy. Sure. Sure. You know, if if the namesake of the company 527 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,917 is not happy, that's probably a bad sign, you know? Because Walt Disney what 528 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,077 did he care about? He cared about 529 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,237 bringing joy to people's lives. He put 530 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,077 up you know um making wonderful things 531 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,797 that children and families could enjoy 532 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,277 um and you know, he was 533 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,757 created some of the the coolest um 534 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,877 uh you know, art in the world and stuff 535 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,637 that even 100 years after it's created 536 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,997 we still remember it and and still it's still a major thing. You have to say how 537 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,397 great was Walt Disney? He was amazing. 538 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,277 Um but now uh Disney at least for now is 539 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,997 deeply infected with the woke mind virus. I think that will, you know 540 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,957 that will change over time. >> Yeah, oh I hope so. Yeah, right but the 541 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,917 European Commission they are not investing on X, you know that. 542 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,157 Maybe they're a little they got the woke woke mind virus too. 543 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,277 Yeah. You don't care. I I think so, you know? 544 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,197 And and and and and it's like why are they importing this 545 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,957 this crazy thing for America? You know, 546 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,037 it's like it's it's just some 547 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,517 thing that was created basically by 548 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:56,077 sort of far left crazy people in US colleges and now it's spreading all over 549 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,717 the world. Um and it's it's like you you know, like 550 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,437 the thing is the woke mind virus it's it's not a message of joy. It's a it's a 551 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,237 a message of division. Sure. 552 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,760 >> It's not a message of love, it's a message of hate. And I was like 553 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,917 and so >> [applause] 554 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,117 >> I'm like I'm like it like you know, let's uh 555 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,757 I don't know. I'm I'm I'm in favor of like let's have a future 556 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,677 that's got more love, more light, more 557 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,397 and let us build a fun, exciting future. 558 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,557 And and and the woke mind virus is all about condemning one group and 559 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,157 condemning this, condemning that. It's like and and and and it's also like just 560 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,477 being like it just wants to scold you all the time 561 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,677 and and treat you like a you know I don't know. 562 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,517 Uh if you want to be scolded, you know? 563 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,477 It's not fun. Um So anyway, 564 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,757 um I think we want to you know 565 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,517 have a I I like so I I I guess at its 566 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,637 heart my concern is that the woke mind virus is anti-civilizational. 567 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,397 Um and of civilization >> Anti-civilizational. 568 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,677 >> I think civilization, sure. But if it represents a cost for your 569 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,197 company, what's you know, you have a trade-off between the cost of your 570 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,277 position and and the cost for the 571 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,077 company. What's your choice and what how 572 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:23,637 much is important in your behavior the the free speech standing? That's the 573 00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:27,797 question. >> I I I do think free speech is incredibly important because 574 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,317 if people cannot speak their minds 575 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,517 um and then we we won't have a 576 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:39,567 democracy. Democracy is the foundation of democracy is freedom of speech. 577 00:34:39,650 --> 00:34:44,760 >> [applause] >> So But also saying something 578 00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:49,530 >> [applause] 579 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,837 >> So Andrea Andrea Stroppa is is laughing 580 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,077 at that because he knows that it's so important for you. But tell me more 581 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,477 about the free speech because here is very important person here couldn't 582 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,157 speak for a lot of people because they were considered maverick some worse than 583 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,757 that. Free speech for everybody is important, not just for the person who 584 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,917 say the right things. Exactly. No no, 585 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,877 exactly. Free speech means that 586 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,037 free free speech is only relevant free 587 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,997 speech is only meaningful when if if you 588 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:27,717 allow people you don't like to say things you don't like. 589 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,037 So that's how you know it's working. 590 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,757 Yeah, that's how you know it's working. 591 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,237 Um because if if as 592 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,477 once you start to censor uh people you don't like saying things 593 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,997 you don't like it's only a matter of time before that censorship turns on 594 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,757 you. Eventually you know, live by the sword, die by the 595 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,997 sword. Live by censorship, die by censorship. 596 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,317 Hey Giovanni, come funziona? No. 597 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,557 Due minuti. Va beh, allora c'abbiamo due minuti. Eh ragazzi, qua viene 598 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,997 Che cosa? Tutti fatevi un applauso a Elon. 599 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,880 Andiamo, facciamogli altri paio di minuti, eh. 600 00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:15,990 >> [applause] 601 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,797 >> Elon, why? Allora, you spoke about the free speech you bought Twitter for the 602 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,397 free speech. Due minuti, dai, due minuti, eh. Just for the free speech, 603 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,437 not for the business inside. You bought the >> Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 604 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,997 Well, I mean here's the thing. So um 605 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,797 you know, I think 606 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,837 you have to say like if civilization is 607 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,477 not strong, if civilization doesn't grow 608 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,837 um then nothing else matters, you know? 609 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,077 Profits don't matter if civilization collapses. 610 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,597 There's there's no profits, there's no you know, you 611 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,997 you we we are not 612 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,117 we cannot exist absent civilization. 613 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,797 So sometimes maybe people may say like, well 614 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,757 is this an altruistic thing? I mean, I think it's for me it feels altruistic 615 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,957 but even if it's even if one is not 616 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,037 altruistic, even if one is very self-centered um 617 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,957 you have to say if you simply think long-term, you have to be 618 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,797 pro-civilization because you cannot 619 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,037 exist without civilization. Okay? 620 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,717 How how important from zero to 10 in the scale from zero to 10 money? You are the 621 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,717 richest person in the world. How is 622 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,757 important money for you from zero to 10? 623 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,517 Zero is the less important and 10 is the is the good one. I don't want to One or 624 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,837 two or something? >> Now, come on. 625 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,597 No, I mean One or two? Just just one or 626 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,917 >> Well, if you say like I mean 627 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,837 the reason I guess I have what so-called wealth or it's really just shares in the 628 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,157 company is that I've created these companies. You know, in these companies 629 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,237 like SpaceX and Tesla 630 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,597 Tesla is 140,000 jobs direct 631 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,597 worldwide and like five times that number maybe maybe almost a million jobs 632 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,037 when you look at the whole supply chain 633 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,837 for is what Tesla has created. And then 634 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,837 SpaceX is is about 15,000 people and 635 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,717 also, you know, like maybe a full total 636 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,277 supply chain 50,000 people. So, you know, I mean I basically 637 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,117 with the help of many talented people built these 638 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,517 companies. And then the the so-called these these wealth 639 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,797 statistics simply they simply add up what the ownership is in the companies 640 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,597 and say, okay, this is a certain amount of money. But I don't 641 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,237 actually have that in money. I have it in stock. I just it's just it's just 642 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,397 that the companies have succeeded. Um 643 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,437 but How was the last the last launch of the SpaceX? That means something. That's 644 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,317 my question, please. Giovanni, the last launch. I see my 645 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,357 brother sitting on the floor. Why are you sitting on the floor? Are you 646 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:57,160 worried about the highness? >> [laughter] >> Same here. 647 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,637 How was the last launch? Was you were 648 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:04,637 optimist about your SpaceX the big big 649 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,117 Yeah, so well well Starship so the the 650 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,077 the exciting thing about Starship is that it's the first rocket design that 651 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,237 could make life multi-planetary. That 652 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,197 could enable a self-sustaining 653 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,317 base on the moon and a city on Mars. 654 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,037 Um so because it is it's not just a very large 655 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:30,837 vehicle but it is what designed for full and rapid reusability. Um so that would 656 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,557 um lower the cost of access to space by I 657 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,837 don't know, maybe a 100 or more. 658 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:42,717 And so and basically it's it's It's rocket that is capable of 659 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,797 um building a base on Mars and a base on 660 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,037 the moon. Yes. That's That's That's Yeah. 661 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,797 >> [applause] >> So, 662 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,117 you know, you know, there's the the the 663 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,117 the great Italian physicist, Enrico 664 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,637 Fermi. I'm a I'm a big admirer of Fermi. 665 00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:06,957 And he had uh he was very good at asking profound 666 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,997 questions. Um and one of his questions, 667 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,517 which is called the Fermi paradox, is where are the aliens? 668 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,237 And one of the explanations is that, and 669 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,077 perhaps I think the one that I think is most appears to be most 670 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,757 accurate, is that consciousness is extremely rare. 671 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,077 That it's you know, we we People often ask me, have I Do I know about aliens or 672 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,517 something like that, you know? 673 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,477 Ask that a lot. Um and the crazy thing is that I've seen no 674 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,277 evidence of aliens whatsoever. 675 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,237 Um 676 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,957 This This means that I think most likely 677 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,517 at least in this part of the galaxy, um we are the only 678 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,637 consciousness that exists. 679 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:53,317 And so, you can think of 680 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,997 human consciousness really as like a 681 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,717 a tiny candle in a vast darkness. 682 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,877 And we must do everything we can to 683 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,277 ensure that the candle does not go out. 684 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,677 That's great. We can finish with that. 685 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,357 We can finish with that, Elon. 686 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,677 Yeah. Okay. 687 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,957 We can finish with this. Oh. And so, so 688 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,077 um it's worth reading about the Fermi paradox and because people have thought 689 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,557 very hard about this. Um cuz there are these cuz one of the 690 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,477 things is like, well, maybe there are these great filters. And and so and and 691 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,317 these civilizations don't pass these filters. 692 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,877 One of the filters is um do we become a multi-planet species or 693 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,837 not? If we do not become a multi-planet species, then eventually 694 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:49,037 at some point, something will happen to the planet. Either it will be 695 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,597 uh man-made or it will be uh 696 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,677 something natural, like a a meteor, like whatever killed the dinosaurs, for 697 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,077 example. So, and then eventually the sun will 698 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,157 actually expand and will destroy all life on Earth. 699 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:08,877 So, if one cares about life on Earth at all, we should care about becoming a 700 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,677 multi-planet species and eventually going out there and 701 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,197 becoming a multi-stellar species and having many star systems. You know, we 702 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,357 we we want the exciting parts of science 703 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,277 fiction to not be fiction forever. We want to make them real. 704 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,600 And um yeah. Great. Oh. Thank