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superiority. If Silicon Valley believes

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Palantir is doing is to make sure that

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>> Dr. Karp, it is a pleasure to finally
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Um, I think gosh, if we had had
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>> Mati is in the audience.
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Um, but of course there's been a lot of
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the news and what's happening [snorts]
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certainly um part of that story. So over

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the weekend uh the US and Israel bombed

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Iran in Operation Epic Fury. Ayatollah
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at war. What do you
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for the future of the West, something
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America. >> Well, first of all, I'm
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you know, for many of you in this
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talking so much, I'm kind of losing
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introvert. Any excuse to cancel, as as

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libertarians know, it's uh yeah.
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broadly speaking defense tech, or let

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America wins, or things that
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we could talk about later on, like
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straightjackets because they're
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passion of of mine, and should be a

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passion of everyone's, since you could

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define our wonderful and great country
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religion, or quite frankly, like uh

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express their freedom, and had the right
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founders founders uh uh did
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battlefield uh willing
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the kids and families don't know if
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them and people who are not aware or

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don't realize what these people do for us,
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which it is to be an American nowadays,
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friends about They're They're like, "But
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those decisions, but I think we're doing
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Palantirians all over on like I'm
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where you really need all three.
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standing before we all have to salute
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you you the the it's it's the specificity
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orchestration. But,
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curtain. I've been heavily involved
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everyone thinks Palantir is the
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personal online things that's not true
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push back slightly. They do think it's
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versus each other.
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true. It's going to be chips, ontology
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half provider. So they pretend they
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>> very very I mean these people are

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fighting very very hard for the dominant
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zero-sum. But I I actually think the

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primary issue in the valley is it's

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going to be zero-sum vis-a-vis you when

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America decides that look okay, I have
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When politicians figure out this is
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zero-sum. It's going to be your money

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and your company being zero-sum
nationalized. So that's the part they

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don't understand.

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Helping people understand that you know,

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either we set the rules or de
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I'm much more on America should be strong
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enemies than our enemies are evil kind

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of thing. So I'm not super neocon. It

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seems to be very hard in this culture as

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someone who's lived abroad a lot of my
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explain to people that we're in a

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competitive environment because things

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here are so good they don't understand

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how different it will be and how much we

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will change and how much the pressure
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militarily and culturally
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them to DC and explain
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leadership why you make a hundred
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Iowa can't explain to his wife he has
the best technology. And then go across

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the hall, so let's classically
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hall and talk to progressive Democrats

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about how every one of their
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thing about those of us who spent most
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which is a phenomenal culture,

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we have a much better sense of how

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fragile this experiment is, America. It

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could go wrong. And it will go wrong if

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if all wealth is going to a small number
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to be on side. Now, that perception
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caricature in the sense this is new
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able to use the same kind
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people who appreciate how it's different.
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about Fourth Amendment protections, like
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a world where you can impute what
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technology? How how do you protect our
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ideas, our own practices at home, our

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own health records?
That those are real issues when the

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technology can also help you
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uh have a higher economic status,
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vocational worker. But so those issues

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have to be unpacked and where Silicon

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Valley is right is you you're going to

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need a forum to talk about
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machine learning is the same thing
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as a critique of the uh like uh economic

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elite especially in in the technical area,
there's there's like uh to use an

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economic a a kind of uh overly
economic uh a philosophical

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term, they reify, meaning
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Our rights, but those rights, you know,

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when I was in Germany, I I was there
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I did a PhD. Uh but I you
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older Germans and I I would spend time
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city, of course, they they didn't
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countryside, they're like, "We're all
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one of the more fascinating
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Democrats or not like left-right, but

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capital D. And it was always because it

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worked. And then the unwinding of it

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that we don't ask if it unwinds,
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protected. And it it's
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currently is not acknowledging what's
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happening politically. You know,
the wealth tax is a derivative of this

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because everyone knows the wealth tax
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going to the rich.
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there's going to be 50 unlikable
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>> [laughter] >> Anybody here like that?
And you guys are doing well.

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>> Yep. No, I I I I want to get back to
to kind of the conversation about how um

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how we ensure that the Department of War
continues to lead on AI because I think

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this has been top of mind for everyone
in the room for the last 48 hours.

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Um our adversaries are looking at,
you know, contracting wars um that are

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playing out in press releases. You know,
what is your view on how we can ensure

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that we win this AI race against the PRC?
If you if you're giving advice to

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all the founders and CEOs of of you
know the the the all our companies.

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>> part of what I'm doing and part what
part of the reason I'm here besides your

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charm and importance what part
of the reason I'm here is uh

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I want My reputation
in the valley every you

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always have reputations. My reputation
which I'm not even saying the reputation

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is true. But in my case like I'm viewed

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as the batshit crazy guy who is often
telling you something you don't want to

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hear and you may not like
but is probably right.

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>> [laughter] >> And that's
why I want you to send this

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first step we have to they're not
understanding mistakes. And what I

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nothing's going to happen till people
understand mistakes. This will affect you.

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Now then the question is like what

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Hollywood did is Hollywood got together.

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The whole rating system was Hollywood
realized if we don't do rating ratings

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Washington's going to.
And Washington is going to butcher it.

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want to butcher it. But like it it

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doesn't understand the métier. So the

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first step is everybody and I'm already
on the phone with people saying okay

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great I understand your issue.

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But you realize the wolves are at the gate
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>> Yeah. >> Uh second step
is we have to find ways

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where we get together
and say okay like if you

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just want to go through the issues. Yes

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there are you know using technologies in

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the context of eviscerating

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uh fourth amendment rights in America
is a is something left and right in this

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country actually don't want. It's
a caricature to believe that either side

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wants it. There are people on the honestly
I'm in private rooms. There are

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people on the left who don't care about
these issues who pretend to do it in

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public do in public. But there are
people and there people on the right who

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pretend not to care who do care. Both

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parties have significant coalitions and

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the American people cares care and it's
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to get be very granular about what's
going to happen on the battlefield

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because there the the two issues
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prosperity and their safety.

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to figure out is is what are
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ethically talk about what's going to

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happen to our economy.

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I in my view, you have you could create
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people. Uh okay,
but what is going to happen to

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the white-collar workers and what are
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then we we're not going to agree,
but we have to have something like a we're

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going to do these initiatives just like
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have to have a discussion on the
battlefield where you know, the

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rebuttable presumption, meaning it

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doesn't happen is that the we are going

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to do the maximal amount to make sure
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if you are sitting in Silicon Valley

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making an argument that somehow would
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not able to understand what Silicon
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have to be a medium. Without going
into details on all these breakdowns cuz

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I was in the middle of it and I want
to stay in the middle of it. There there

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are substantive issues
and there are cultural issues.

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If we could get rid of the cultural
misunderstanding, we could get pretty

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close to agreements here, but you you're

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dealing with worlds that never ever ever
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to each other. >> Yeah.
Well, and you've been building a

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bridge between these cultures for 20
years. I mean, that's what's so

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interesting. I mean, that's in some ways
why we have this conference is to bring

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together people who speak two different
languages, very different value sets and

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try to get them aligned. I I'd love your
advice for these founders who maybe are

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new. You know, it's sort of like that
meme, the first time meme with the Coen

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brothers film, you know, where it's like
a lot of these people are having their

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first conversations with the Department
of War. Or they don't or they maybe they

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don't have any family in the military,
maybe they've never never met a

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warfighter. What is your advice to some
of these CEOs who are maybe new to these

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conversations that you've been
having for for 20 years now?

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>> Well, the best thing you could do is go

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to Iowa or go to a base and have
a like I don't think look this way.

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Um maybe the first time

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it's probably not PG, but you know,
I'm happily not married, not divorced, so

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don't follow how I live, but you don't
have to maybe if you're going to meet

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somebody you really want to impress it
maybe not maybe you have an advantage if

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it's your third girlfriend
or boyfriend, not your first.

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Like go have a conversation with somebody
like if you're going to meet a

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general or somebody like that and you've

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never talked to somebody who's actually
done something on the battlefield or

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someone who has family who's done
something on the battlefield and you

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don't have any because of that you don't
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perspective, that's
probably a huge mistake.

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>> Yeah. >> And I that's
probably going to backfire.

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Last Secondly though, you have to be

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honest aware about where
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um Silicon Valley tech builders broadly

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defined hardware, software, AI,
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context essentially

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software scaffolding much more like
in a weird way more more like hardware

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software, but it's
in software managing LLMs.

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the single biggest mistake people
make in this area is because they're

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intelligent in one area,
they assume they're intelligent in all

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areas. And a big failure mechanism in

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the valley is every valley person is

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forced to present as if they're
the smartest in all areas at all time.

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And that's like if you don't know
who the mark is, you're the mark.

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>> Yeah. >> Like if you
think you're the smartest

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person So I I'm dyslexic and I think
one of the reasons I've done so well is

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I do think I'm one of the better people

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at certain things least I believe it and

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I know I'm not at everything. It's a

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very small It's like but a failure mode

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for the valley is I'm the smartest on
every issue. I For example, I need to be

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the person negotiating this contract.

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>> Yeah. >> What if you
have no aptitude for that?

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Just cuz you can do X does not mean
you've imputed high aptitude at Y. In

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fact, it's very unlikely it's true.

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>> Yeah. >> It's It's
almost certain that you're

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just not smart enough
to realize how bad you are.

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>> That's probably one of the most
important lessons for for company

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builders in the room.
I actually I I want to

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um end the conversation on Palantir
is the OG American Dynamism company. Um I

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think a lot of our founders in this room
are indebted. They've worked for you.

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They've um you know, built their
playbooks inside of Palantir or they've

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built new companies that, you know,
are are epic in their own right, but they

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started at Palantir in many cases.
And so I want to dive into you you brought

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up the neurodivergent fellowship.
It's one of my favorite things you've ever

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done. You've done a lot of great things,
but I think it's it's one of the most

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extraordinary um stands that you've
taken in the company. But you've always

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looked for people who are different
and somehow cultivated them and brought

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together people who are Democrats,
Republicans, on the right, on the left,

456
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people who are of all walks of life.

457
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,757
How do you lead such a diverse group
of people especially at scale like at the

458
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scale you are?

459
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:34,717
>> Well, I mean

460
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,957
it's always hard to know when you're
re- Like I I I view myself as an artist.

461
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,837
So you really it's like well, how do you
create the art? And it's funny because I

462
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,877
I mean I Look, I I like
the freedom money gives me and I

463
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,877
I certainly don't want to like do some
philanthropy to prove that I'm good

464
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,917
when because I did something
bad cuz I think what we do is

465
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,397
uh very important. Um but it's like at

466
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,717
the end of the day, it's like an

467
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,717
artistic thing, but you know, I had It's

468
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,757
always helpful. I had My parents
are among the most talented

469
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,197
people I've ever met and I feel
they don't agree with me that,

470
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,997
you know, like they
should have They could like

471
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,477
It's kind of weird I'm so famous.

472
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,117
Put it that way from my And um I

473
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,357
uh um uh

474
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,477
I I And I then there's the American thing

475
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,917
where we are I really believe in the

476
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,437
magical liberating inalienable right for

477
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,677
all of us to be individuals
and that's what I see as

478
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,437
particularly moral and special in the

479
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,997
world. I don't like these things that

480
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,917
like I I've been famously anti-woke, but

481
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,957
in The thing I find offensive about it
is actually that it's people pretending

482
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,357
to be different while all being the same.

483
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,677
And so I don't like uh so
I tend to gravitate towards

484
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,317
people who are unique and yeah, I don't

485
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,597
really care their politics. I care about

486
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,637
like their ability to think and do. Um

487
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,837
there is an aptitude thing
where can you recognize

488
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,437
somebody who is truly unique in

489
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,677
something you've not done yourself
is a just something you're born with.

490
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,997
Um I

491
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,797
I do think it's a form
of neurodivergence like outlier IQ is a It

492
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,077
is certain way it's not that different
than being autistic. Like you just can't

493
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,197
You're not going to You're not going to
decomp a problem the way somebody who is

494
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,717
all just normal smart will. Um and I

495
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,357
find that very, very charismatic. The

496
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,277
trick to doing it is you have to

497
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,997
It's It's very hard thing where
somebody who is the best I I believe the

498
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,957
Palantirians

499
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,797
will manage a Palantir and sometimes in

500
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,277
many and most cases presumably after a

501
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:03,717
Palantir I am helping them to express
something that only they can do

502
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,717
at that moment and if you look
at our products and what we've done it is

503
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,877
actually true even what we're doing
in in like right now it all across the

504
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,277
Middle East and obviously in America
each single product at each single part

505
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,757
was built by the one person
in the world that could have done it

506
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,037
but that and then I have to somehow get

507
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,797
them to do things that they don't
actually think are valuable but on their

508
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,077
terms and that's basically my job
because at that level of aptitude you

509
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,957
can't just say do this idiot cuz they're
like why would I do that you're the idiot

510
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,437
and so and and then what I think is very

511
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,157
special about the Palantirians
ex-Palantirians and current Palantirians

512
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,597
is when you're at Palantir you're not

513
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,357
learning to to actually follow my

514
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,477
playbook you're learning to follow your
playbook where I'm inserting some things

515
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,197
that may not have occurred to you
maybe you don't know I'm doing that

516
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,717
to make sure that your playbook gets
rid of your dyslexia basically I'm

517
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,477
anti-dyslexifying your playbook
it but around you and if

518
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,437
you take like the I don't know there's
so many really important ex-Palantirians

519
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,997
what you'll see is they're
a kind of plastic people and

520
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,317
they're not going to build the same
company Palantir was they're also not

521
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,357
going to build the same company of the
ex-personal as Palantir and that's why

522
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,877
they play such a disproportionate role
and at the end of the day that's why

523
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,477
Palantir is like

524
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,437
playing such a big role because like

525
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,877
Foundry PG Apollo ontology

526
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,557
the management of ontology Maven
which is like you know we've just

527
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,997
like been able to target in a way no
other country can. It's like the other

528
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,637
countries are like, what the happened

529
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,517
here? Like we were thinking Afghanistan.

530
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,797
Like, what is this? Meaning our retreat.

531
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,277
Like meaning and like like America has

532
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,557
reestablished deterrence.
That actually just happened. It's

533
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,717
happened in the last year.
Like that right left center

534
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,797
I don't care what party you're in in
private. Obviously you can't say this in

535
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,997
public. In private
that is a phenomenal asset

536
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,157
that America now has that it did not have.
And there are lots of reasons for

537
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,797
it, but a one maybe not the most
important is a concatenation of the most

538
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,357
unusual in some cases
otherwise maybe not fully

539
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,917
functional talent

540
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,597
built around building something that was

541
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,517
an absolutely scandalous unpopular dream

542
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,717
rejected by many people called Maven.

543
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:39,397
And that's how this country By the way,
if we are going to outperform the rest

544
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,717
of the world,

545
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,957
uh our single advantage is to augment

546
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,237
neurodivergent

547
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,117
highly individual people to be their

548
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,037
absolutely unique best and protect
their first, second, fourth, and fifth

549
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,277
amendment rights so
that they don't get screwed.

550
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,517
>> Absolutely. Well,
again, the OG American

551
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,517
Dynamism founder, thank you so much
for all you've done for the country.

552
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,000
>> Thank you.

553
00:32:15,550 --> 00:32:17,570
>> [music]