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You support not just the populist right
but the far right in fact very fringe

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parties in some

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countries I support the normal people okay
what you call the far right falsely you

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think is the

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normal person okay yes um literally you
could you could go back uh 10 or 15 years

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and these these

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these policies were completely normal in
fact you you one of the one of the tricks

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I think is

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funny what I think is that's quite
funny is to like take a speech from Obama

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and Hillary and then

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and and go to someone say uh who's sort
of um you know on the sort of what I call

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the lunatic left

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um and say what do you think of the speech
by Trump like oh wow he's the worst person

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ever actually that was a speech by Obama
or actually that was a speech by Hillary

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I I I agree no I agree that the center
of gravity in this country has shifted

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certainly

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the Democratic party shifted to the left
but that's not what I'm talking about I'm

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talking

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about people like Rupert Lowe people it's
actually just normal people um it's just

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normal people

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it's just normal people And um the and and
here are the principles and and tell me

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which of these sound terrible.
Um that we should have secure borders,

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that we should have safe cities,

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uh that we should have sensible spending.
Which of those three are are are far right

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fringe and and

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I would like to just admonish you and
the media for the absurd characterization

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of the far right.

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It is false and misleading and nonsense.
Please keep this part in.

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We'll keep all of this in. But [laughter]
let me let me let me Don't cut this part.

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Let me push back on that. Let me push

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back on that because you have nonsense.
Elon, you have what is it?

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Close to 250 million followers on X. Yeah.
You say things like popular guy. Quote,

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"Civil war in Britain is inevitable."

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Just a question.
On the current trend. Yes. I mean,

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when were you last in the UK? Um, a few

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years ago. Exactly. So, so I live there.
I'm there the whole time.

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That is not you live in a closed

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existence. No, I don't actually. And
the numbers also disprove what you say.

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What numbers? All the

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numbers about London is a much safer
city than any city in the United States.

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Violent crime in the UK is not where you
think it is. In fact, it's coming down.

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You you have painted and because you

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have so many followers,
so many Americans believe it.

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A a kind of view that
Europe in and the UK are

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kind of, you know, overrun
with terrifying Muslim immigrants.

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There's rape on every corner. there's

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a sort of civilizational destruction.
I haven't said any of those things.

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If you have uh a large

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uh and growing rapidly growing uh group of
of people whose beliefs are antithetical

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to western beliefs um at some point there
will be a reckoning that that they they

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will they will try

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to implement their views and those who
oppose it will oppose it and that's what

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you call civil war.

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And obviously this is the trend. Um
and uh and and you absolutely do live in

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a cloistered existence. And if you'd
like we can go on a tour of Britain. Sure.

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Happy to come on a tour
of Britain. And then

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and you will see for yourself. Come see
my country that I live in all the time

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and you haven't been to a few years.
I've been there literally a hundred times.

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But when was the last time?

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Literally a few years ago.
You know why I this exercises me?

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because you have really shaped

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opinion about the UK and so many Americans
I come across and I have conversations

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with and

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they'll be and I just had one the other
day along the order of oh London such

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a dangerous place

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how can you know there are sort
of grooming gangs everywhere there are

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there's violence

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everywhere this is a picture that people
get from things that you post or that are

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posted on X

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and for example you're you're posting for
what was it 48 hours of Citizen Vigilante

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that film which

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you know paints a dystopian.
I've watched it. Yes, it was not fun.

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I watched it yesterday. It's not a

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very good movie, but it's also paints
a dystopian picture of Europe and it

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glorifies vigilante

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violence. It glorifies the murdering
of a Muslim immigrant family.

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I honestly think that it is irresponsible
for you to put that up on X.

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I think that it's it's a movie
um and it's worth watching.

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People say that you're a racist.
What is the motivation for doing that?

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Are you fermenting?

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My partner is is is um she's half
Indian and my my and I have four children

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with her. Um you know um

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one of them was named after
a famous Indian physicist.

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Um so I I would say I'm not racist.

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And also uh the you know if you look
at the people that are employed at

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my companies um

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you know we have senior executives
of all races. Uh there there's there's

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I don't think there's any racism there.
Are you anti-Muslim?

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Um I am I'm against uh

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having if if if if people
are coming to a country with

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antithetical views um I I am against that.
I I'm against that, you know.

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I'm against um

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I I I'm against rape and murder.
I'm against uh the imposition of rules

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and laws that are

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contrary to what we've come
to accept in the west. Um, and um,

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and I think it's a it's it's a crying
shame that the sort of traditional media

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like you um, uh,

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don't recognize this. Why should you be
able to shape European politics? Wasn't

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you don't even live there. I think of it
as the sort of the West collectively.

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But do you see why this makes people think
that this man who has all this power,

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he's the world's richest man,

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he thinks he has a right to influence
our politics. It makes people It's why,

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you know, we started this
conversation saying superlatives.

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It's why people loathe you.

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I mean, some people do loathe you.
Yes, some people do.

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But do you understand why do you think
what you're doing is helpful for Western?

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Maybe maybe some people
do loathe me. I And that's

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and that's probably true. I don't care.
Um the uh but but the fact that uh as you

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pointed out

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a quarter billion people follow me is that
I think a lot more people actually like me

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than don't

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and I think a lot more people hate you
and the media uh more than you realize.