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>> The Joe Rogan Experience.

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>> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN
PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day.

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>> Exactly. >> Just every morning.

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>> Wonder what Jeff Bezos is doing.

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>> He's doing some [laughter] definitely
doing some testosterone. He looks jacked.

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>> He looks jacked, right?
>> Yeah. But he didn't like >> quick

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>> quick >> quick [laughter]

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at age like at 50 at age 59 in less than

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a year he he went from pencilet geek to

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uh looking like a like the rock.

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>> Yeah. Like a little
miniature alpha fella.

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>> Yeah. Like like his neck
got bigger than his head.

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>> Yeah. He got bigger.
>> But then like his earlier pictures his

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neck's like a noodle.
>> I support this activity. I like to see

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him going in this direction >>
which is fine. And his voice dropped

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like two octaves. I want you
to move in that direction as well.

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>> I think we can achieve this.

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>> I I I mean I should >> I
think we can achieve >> gigachad.

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[laughter] That's what people called it.

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>> Where is that guy? >> Bele.
Uh I don't know where he is.

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>> That's like a real guy.
>> The artist. Yeah.

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>> No. >> Oh, gigachad. [laughter] Oh,
gigachad. Yeah. I don't know if

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that's a real guy. It's hard to say.

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>> No, it is a real guy.
>> It is a real guy.

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>> He's got the crazy jaw
and like perfect sculpted hair.

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>> Yeah. Well, I mean, they may have
exaggerated a little bit, but >> um

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>> but uh No, I think I think he actually
just kind of looked like that in reality.

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>> Wow. >> Um so >> like like he's
a pretty unique looking individual.

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>> I think we can achieve this.
That guy right there, that's a real guy.

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[laughter] >> That's a real dude.

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>> I always thought that was CGI.

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>> No, I think one of I think the upper
right one is not [laughter] him. That's

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not >> But that one to the left
of [clears throat] that like that's real.

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No, that's that's artificial, bro.

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That's fake. That's got that uncanny
valley feel to it, doesn't it?

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>> It's It's not impossible. >> No,
no, it's not impossible to achieve,

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but it's not it's not possible
to maintain that kind of leanness. I mean,

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that's like like you're you're also
at that point they're he's dehydrating and

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all sorts of things. >> Oh,
it's based on a real person.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Based on, >> right,
but it's not a real person. What

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does he really look like?
>> Like those images, I think, are [__]

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>> Some of them are. Is that real? Okay.

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That That looks real. That looks
like a really jack bodybuilder.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah,
that looks real. Like that's

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achievable. But there's a few of those
images where you're just like, "What's

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going on here?" >> Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Um

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>> Well, I mean, you see you see
[laughter] >> that guy is that is that the

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>> that's the real dude? >> Well, there's
that that that Icelandic dude who's Thor.

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>> Oh, yeah. The guy who jumps
in the frozen lakes and [__]

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>> Well, the guy who played the mountain.

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Um >> Oh, that guy. >> That is
that is like a that that is like

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a a mutant strong human. Yes.
>> Like like uh he would be in like the

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X-Men or something, you know?
>> He's just like not like uh

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>> and there's that you know that have
you seen that meme tent and tent bag?

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>> Um you know how like it's like it's
really hard to get the tent tent in

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>> Oh, right. Right. [laughter]

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>> That's true. >> Then there's
a picture of of him and his

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girlfriend. That's hilarious.
[laughter] >> Yeah, that's

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>> I don't know how it gets in there, you
know? It's like it seems too small. But

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>> I met Brian [laughter] Shaw. Brian Shaw

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is like the world's most powerful man.

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And he's almost [laughter] 7 feet tall.

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He's 400 lb.

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>> And his his bone density is 1 in 500

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million people. So there's one it's like

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there's like maybe 16 people.

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>> He's an enormous human being. like a

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legitimate giant just like that guy.
But we met him. He was hanging out with us

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in the green room of the mother ship.

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It's like, okay, if this was like David
and Goliath days, like this is an actual

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giant like the giants of the Bible.

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>> Once in a while they
get a super giant person.

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>> This is a real a real one. Like not a

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tall skinny basketball player,
like a 7 foot 400B powerliffter.

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>> Like you don't want to especially look
at him. That's the guy. See if there's a

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photo of him standing next to like
a regular human. I >> was trying to get

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>> There it is. That's him right there.

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Like there's like there's like one of him
with next to standing next to Arnold

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and stuff and it's where
and everyone everyone just looks tiny.

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>> I mean I think he's
a pretty cool dude actually.

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>> Oh, Brian's very cool. Very smart, too.

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Unusually, you know, you expect anybody
to be that big. It's got to be a [__]

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>> No. >> Yeah.
There was there's Andre the Giant

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who was awesome. You >> he
was great in Princess Bride and

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>> No, he was just awesome period.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. So, we were talking about
um this interview with Sam Alman and

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Tucker, and I was like, we should
probably just talk about this on the air

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because it is one of the craziest
interviews I think I've ever seen in my

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life. >> Yeah. >> Where Tucker
starts bringing up this guy

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who was a whistleblower, whatever.

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>> A whistleblower who, you know,
>> committed suicide, but it doesn't look

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like it. >> And and he's
talking to Sam Alman about

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this. And Sam Alton was like, "Are you
accusing me?" He's like, "No, no, no.

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I'm not. I'm just saying I
I think someone killed him.

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>> Yeah. And like And it
should be investigated.

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>> Yeah. >> Um not just drop the case.

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>> It seems like >> they just
dropped the case. Yeah. Yeah.

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But his parents think he was murdered.

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>> Yeah. >> Um the wires
to a security camera were cut. Um

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>> blood in two rooms. >> Blood
in two rooms. Someone else's wig

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was in the room.
And >> someone else's wig.

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>> Wig. >> Wig. Yes. Not his wig.

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>> Not normal to have a wig laying around.

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>> Yes. Um and um and he ordered Door
Dash uh right before allegedly committing

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suicide. >> Uh which uh
is it seems unusual, you know?

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>> Yeah. >> It's like,
you know, let's I'm going to

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order pizza on second thoughts, I'll
kill myself. Uh is it seems like that's

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a very rapid change in mindset.

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>> It's very weird. And especially the
parents have they they don't believe he

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committed suicide at all.
>> Has no note or anything.

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>> No. >> Yeah. >> It seems
pretty [__] up. And you know,

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the idea that a whistleblower for an

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enormous AI company that's worth
billions of dollars might get whacked,

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that's not outside the pale.
>> I mean, it's straight out of a movie.

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>> Right out of a movie, but right
out of a movie is real sometimes.

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>> Yeah. Right. [laughter] Exactly.

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>> It's a little weird that I I think they
should do a proper investigation. Like,

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what's the downside
on that proper investigation?

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>> Right. >> No. >> Yeah, >> for sure.
But the whole exchange is so bizarre.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Sam Alman's
reaction to being accused of

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murder is bizarre. >> Look,
I don't know if he's guilty, but

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it's not possible to look more guilty.

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[laughter] >> So, I'm like,
>> or look more weird.

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>> Yeah. >> You know,
maybe it's just his social

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thing. Like, maybe he's just odd with

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confrontation and it just goes blank,

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you know? But if if somebody
was accusing me of killing Jamie, like if

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Jamie was a whistleblower and Jamie
got whacked and then I'd be like, "Wait,

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what are you what are you are you
accusing me of killing my friend?" Like,

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"What the [__] are you talking about?" I
would I would be a little bit more I rate.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You know,
it would be >> I would be a little upset.

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>> Yeah. It'd be like Well, you'd be like,
you'd certainly in insist on a thorough

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investigation. Yeah. >> As opposed
to trying to sweep it under the rug.

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>> Yeah. I wouldn't assume that he got
that he committed suicide. I would be

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suspicious. If Tucker was telling me
that aspect of the story, I'd be like,

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"That does seem like a murder.
[__] We should look into this."

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>> I mean, all signs point to it being
a murder. Not not saying, you know, Tim

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Molvin had anything to do with the murder,
but uh >> blood in two rooms.

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>> It's blood in two rooms. Like, yeah,
there's the wires to the security camera

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and the door dash being ordered right
before suicide. No suicide note. his

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parents think uh he was murdered and um

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the people that I know who knew him said

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he was not suicidal. So I'm like
this why would you jump to the conclusion

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>> parents sued the >> uh landlord?

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>> They sued the son's landlord alleged
the owners and the managers of their son's

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San Francisco apartment building were part
of a widespread cover up of his death.

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>> The landlord >> Yeah.
There's a bunch of weird They said

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there was like packages missing from
the building. Some people said they saw

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packages still being delivered
and all a sudden they all disappeared.

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>> Huh. But that could be people
steal people's packages all the time.

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>> The porch pirate situation.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Says they failed to safeguard.

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>> Also, I mean, the amount of trauma
those poor parents have gone through with

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their son dying like that. I mean, it must

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>> God bless them. And how could they stay
sane after something like that? They're

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probably they're so griefstricken. Who

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knows what they believe at this point.

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>> Yeah. It should have
asked if Epson killed himself.

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>> [laughter] >> Yeah,
that's the the Cash Mattel thing.

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Cash Mattel Dan Bonino trying
to convince everybody of that. Like, okay.

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>> The guards weren't there
and the cameras stopped working and um

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>> you know, >> the guards
were asleep. The cameras

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weren't working. He had a a giant

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steroided up bodybuilder guy that he was

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sharing a cell with that was a murderer

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who was a bad cop. Like, all of it's

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kind of nuts. All of it's kind of nuts
like that he would just kill himself

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rather than reveal all
of his billionaire friends.

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>> Yeah. >> And then >> did you see Tim
Dylan talking to Chris Cuomo about this?

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>> I did. He liked the idea.
>> Chris Cromo just looked so stupid.

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[laughter] >> Tim just listed off all the
>> Tim just and he's like I agree it is

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strange. Like of course it's strange

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Chris. Jesus Christ. You can't just go

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with the tide. You got to think things
through. And if you think that one

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through, you're like, I don't think he
killed himself. Nobody does. You'd have

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to work for an intelligence agency
to think he killed himself. [laughter]

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>> It does. It does seem unlikely.

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>> It seems highly unlikely.
Highly, highly unlikely. All roads point

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to murder. >> Yes. >> Point
to they had to get rid of him

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because he knew too much. Whatever
the [__] he was doing, whatever kind of an

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asset he was, whatever thing he was up to,
you know, was apparently very

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effective. >> Yes.
And a lot of people are compromised.

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You see, your boy Bill Gates is now
saying climate change is not a big deal.

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Like, relax everybody. I know I scared
the [__] out of you for the last decade

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and a half, but ah, we're
going to be fine. [laughter]

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>> Yeah. I mean, you know,
as was I was saying just

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before coming into the studio with,
you know, it like every day there's some

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crazy wild new thing that's happening.

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It's It feels like
reality is accelerating.

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>> It's every day. And Every day it's like

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more and more ridiculous to the point
where the simulation is more and more

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undeniable. >> Yeah. Yeah. It really feels
like simulation, you know? It's like, come

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on. What are the odds
that this could be the case?

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>> Are you paying attention at all
to Three Atlas? Are you watching the

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>> the comet? >> Yeah. Whatever it is.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, one thing I

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can say is like, look, I

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if if I was aware of any evidence of

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aliens, um, you Joe, you have my word.
I will come on your show and I will reveal

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it on the show. >> Okay.
>> Yeah, >> that's a good deal.

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>> Yeah, it's pretty good.
>> I'll believe you. Yeah, thank you.

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>> I I'll stick I keep my you
know, keep my promises. So, um

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>> All right. I'll hold you to that.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. And and [clears throat]
I'm never committing suicide to be clear.

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[laughter] >> I don't
think you would either.

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>> So, on camera, guys,
I am never committing suicide ever.

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>> If someone says you committed suicide,
[laughter] I will fight tooth and nail.

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>> I will fight tooth and nail. I will
I will not believe it. I will not believe

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it. The thing about the three eye atlas
is it's >> a hell of a name actually.

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>> Yeah, it's a third eye sounds
like third eye or something.

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>> Yeah, it does. [laughter] Three
eye is third. It's only the third

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interstellar object that's detected.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah. [snorts] Obias.

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>> Yeah. Alo was on the podcast
a couple days ago talking about it.

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>> Yeah. It could be. I don't know. But I
>> apparently today they're saying that

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it's changed course. Um,
>> did you see that, Jamie?

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>> Avi said something today. I'll send it

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to you. Um,

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>> uh, I know it's on Reddit.

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>> Here you go, Jamie. I'll send it to you
right now. Um, it's fascinating. It's

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fascinating also because it's made
almost entirely of nickel, whatever it

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is. And the only way that exists,
uh, here is, uh, industrial alloys

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apparently. Um um most
no there are there are

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>> there are definitely uh comets that and

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asteroids that are made primarily of

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nickel in fact. Yeah. So the the places

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where um you mine nickel on earth
is actually where there was an asteroid or

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comet that hit earth that
was a nickel rich uh you know

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>> nickel rich nickel rich rich deposit.

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>> Yeah that's that's that's it's coming.

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Those are from impacts. You definitely
didn't want to be there at the time

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because anything would have been
obliterated. Right. Um, but that's

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that's where the the sources
of nickel and cobalt are these days.

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>> So, this is Ovio Lope. A few hours ago,
the first hint of non-gravitational

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acceleration that something other than
gravity is affecting its acceleration,

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meaning something is affecting its

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trajectory beyond gravity was indicated.

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Interesting.

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Um

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so it's mostly nickel very little iron

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which uh he was saying uh is on earth

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only exists in alloys but whatever you

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know you're dealing with another planet >>
there this there are there are there are

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cases where there's very nickel richch
asteroids meteorites that heavy that

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something from space.
>> Yeah it it's only yeah it doesn't mean

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it'll be a very sort of heavy spaceship
if you make it all out of nickel. Oh yeah.

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>> And [__] huge. The size of Manhattan
and all nickel. That's kind of nuts.

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>> Yeah, that's a heavy spaceship.

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>> That's a real problem if it hits.

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>> Uh yes. No, it would like
obliterate a continent type of thing.

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>> Um maybe maybe worse.
>> Probably kill most of human life.

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>> Um >> if not all of us.
>> I haven't depends on what the the total

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mass is. But um there's I mean the thing

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is like in the fossil record there are

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um you know there's like arguably
arguably five major extinction events.

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um like the biggest one of which is the
Perine extinction uh where um almost all

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life was eliminated. That that actually
occurred over several million several

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million years. Um the there's
the Jurassic. I think Jurassic is I think

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that one's pretty definitively an

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asteroid. Um and um but there's but

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there's been five major extinction events,
but um but what they don't count

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are really the ones that
merely take out a continent.

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>> So >> merely >> Yeah.
cuz that that because those don't

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really show up on the fossil
record, you know, >> right?

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>> Um so unless it's enough to cause a you

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know mass extinction event throughout
Earth, it it doesn't show up, you know,

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in a fossil record that's uh 200 million

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years old. Um so the uh yeah but but

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there have been many um many impacts

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that would have sort of destroyed all
life on you know let's say half of North

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America or something like that. there
many such impacts through the course of

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history. >> Yeah. And there's
nothing we can do about it right now.

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>> Yeah. There was one that um hits there

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was a one that hit Siberia and destroyed
I think um few hundred square miles.

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>> Oh, that's the Tungusa. >> Yeah.
That's the one from the 1920s, right?

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah.
That's the one that coincides with

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that meteor that uh comet storm that we

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go through every June and every November
that they think is responsible for that

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younger dest.

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>> Yeah. Yeah, all that shit's crazy. Um,

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thank you before we go any further for

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letting us have a tour of SpaceX
and letting us be there for the rocket

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launch. >> One of the absolute
coolest things I've

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ever seen in my life. And we we've
we were we thought it was only like I

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thought it was a half a mile. Jamie's
like it was a mile away. Turned out it's

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almost two miles away.
And you feel it in your chest.

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>> Yeah. It's >> you have
to wear earplugs and you feel

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it in your chest and it's 2 miles away.

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>> It was [__] amazing. And then to go

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with you up into the command center and

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to watch all the Starlink satellites

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with all the different cameras and all

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in real time as it made its way all the
way to Australia. How many minutes? Like

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35 40 minutes. >> Yeah.
>> Wild it touchdown in Australia.

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>> Yeah. >> [__] crazy. It was amazing.

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>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Absolutely amazing. The starship's

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awesome. Um, and anyone can go watch the
launch actually. So, you can just go to

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um, South Padre Island, get has a great
view of the launch. Um, so it's like

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where a lot of spring breakers go.

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>> Um, but um, but we'll be flying pretty
frequently um, out of Starbase in South

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Texas. And we we formally incorporated
it as a city. So, it's it's actually a

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legally an actual legal
city, Starbase, Texas.

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>> Um, it's not that often you hear
like, hey, we made a city, you know.

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[laughter] Um, that [snorts] used to be
like the like in in the old days like a

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startup would be you go and gather
a bunch of people and say, "Hey, let's go

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make a town." Literally, that was like
that would have been startups in in in

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the old days. >> Um, >> or a country.

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>> Yeah. Or a country. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Actually, >> if
you tried doing that today, there'd

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be a real problem. >> Yeah.
That things are so much so much

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set in stone on the country front these
days. You might pull it off. You might

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be able [clears throat] to pull it off.

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If you got a a solid island,
you might be able to pull it off.

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>> You know, it's probably,
>> you know, like like at owns lai.

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>> Yeah, you could probably if you put if
you put enough effort into it, you could

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make a new country.
>> This is one of the different ones. This

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is one of the ones that you catch,
>> right? Or is that one?

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>> Yeah, that that's
the booster. So that's

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the super heavy booster. Uh so that's
the one with the booster's got 33

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engines. Um

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that that uh um and it's you know by

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version four that will have about 10,000

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tons of thrust. Um you know right now
it's about 7 8,000 tons of thrust. Um,

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that's that's the largest
flying object ever made.

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>> I had to explain to someone. They were
going, "Why do they blow up all the time

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if he's so smart?" Because there
was there was this [__] idiot on

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television. Some guy was being
interviewed and they were talking about

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you. And he goes, "Oh, I think he's
a fuckwit." And he goes, "He's a fuckwit."

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And he goes, "Why you say he's [__] Oh,
his rockets keep blowing up." And

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someone said, "Yeah, well, why do his
rockets blow?" And I had to explain.

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Yeah. Because it's the only way you find
out what the tolerances are. You have to

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you have to a few >> corners
of the box. So, so like so

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[clears throat] when you do a new uh
rocket development program, um you you

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have to uh do what's called uh you know,
exploring the limits, the corners of the

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box where you say it's like you worst

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case this, worst case that um to figure

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out um uh where where the limits are. So

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uh you blow up, you know, not not
admittedly in the development process

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sometimes blows up accidentally. Um but

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but we intentionally subject it to uh uh

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you know a flight regime that is much
worse than what we expect in normal

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flight so that when we put people on

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board or valuable cargo it doesn't blow

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up. Um so um so so for example for the

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the flight that you saw we we actually

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deliberately took um heat shield tiles

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off the the the ship the off of Starship

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in in some of the worst locations to say

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okay if we lose a heat shield tile here

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is it is it catastrophic or is it not?

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Um and we we nonetheless uh Starship was

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able to do a soft landing um in uh in

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the Indian Ocean just uh west
of Australia. Um which as and it got there

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from Texas in like I don't know
354 minutes type of thing. So

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>> So it landed even though you put
it through this situation where it has

00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:29.997
compromised shield.

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it it had an an an an unusually we we we

00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:35.757
brought it in hot like an an extra hot

00:19:35.840 --> 00:19:39.037
trajectory uh with missing tiles um to

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see if it would still make it to a soft
landing which it did. Now I I should

00:19:43.120 --> 00:19:47.437
point out it did have there were some
holes that were burnt into it. Um but

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it's it was robust enough to land
despite having some holes burnt you know

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that that you know cuz it's coming it's
coming in like a blazing meteor. You can

00:19:55.840 --> 00:19:57.037
see you can see the real time video.

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Well, tell me the speed again because
the the speed was bananas. You were

00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:03.517
talking about >> Yeah,
it's like 17,000 mph

00:20:03.600 --> 00:20:05.437
like like 25 times the speed of sound or

00:20:05.520 --> 00:20:09.677
thereabouts. So, um the uh uh so so

00:20:09.760 --> 00:20:12.957
think of it like it's it's like 12 times
faster than a bullet from an assault

00:20:13.040 --> 00:20:16.477
rifle. You know, bullet from
assault rifles around Mach 2

00:20:16.560 --> 00:20:18.877
>> and it's just and it's
[clears throat] huge.

00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:20.957
>> Yeah. [laughter]

00:20:21.040 --> 00:20:22.957
Yeah. Or or if you compare it to like a

00:20:23.040 --> 00:20:26.717
bullet from a um you know a 45 or or 9

00:20:26.800 --> 00:20:30.957
mil which is subsonic that's you know
it it'll be about 30 times faster than a

00:20:31.040 --> 00:20:34.077
bullet from a handgun.
>> 30 times faster than a bullet from a

00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:36.477
handgun and it's the size of a skyscraper.

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>> Yes. [laughter]

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>> Yeah. That's fast.

00:20:41.360 --> 00:20:44.477
>> It's so wild. It's so wild to see, man.

00:20:44.560 --> 00:20:47.277
It It's uh It's so exciting. This the

00:20:47.360 --> 00:20:50.157
factor is so exciting too because like

00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:52.637
genuinely no [__] I felt like I was

00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:57.517
witnessing history. I felt like it
was a scene in a movie where someone had

00:20:57.600 --> 00:21:00.637
expectations and they like what are they
doing? They're building rockets. And you

00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:04.877
go there and as we were walking through
Jamie, you could speak to this too.

00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:07.437
Didn't you have the feeling
where you're like

00:21:07.520 --> 00:21:11.197
>> oh this is way bigger than I thought
it was. This is [laughter] huge. Awesome.

00:21:11.280 --> 00:21:15.597
>> Gigantic. >> [__] crazy.
>> That's what she said. the ah the amount

00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:18.637
of rockets you're making.
I don't know if you

00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:22.637
>> tent back. [laughter]
>> Gig Chad in the house.

00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:26.557
>> This is way big.
>> It's a giant metal dick. [laughter]

00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:29.757
You're [__] [__] the universe
with your giant metal dick. That's

00:21:29.840 --> 00:21:32.557
>> I mean, yeah, it is. It is very big.

00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:34.557
>> And the sheer numbers of them that you

00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:37.197
guys are making. And then this is a

00:21:37.280 --> 00:21:41.757
version and you have a new
updated version that's coming soon.

00:21:41.840 --> 00:21:45.677
>> And what is the It's
a It's a little longer. Um

00:21:45.760 --> 00:21:49.517
>> more pointy. >> Uh it's
the same amount of pointy. Um

00:21:49.600 --> 00:21:53.997
but the there's it's it's got a bit more
length. Um the the interstage, you see

00:21:54.080 --> 00:21:56.877
that that interstage section
with kind of like the grill area.

00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:59.677
>> Mhm. >> Um that's uh
that's now integrated with

00:21:59.760 --> 00:22:03.277
the boost stage. Um so uh we do um

00:22:03.360 --> 00:22:07.037
what's called hot staging. Uh where we
light the ship engines while it's still

00:22:07.120 --> 00:22:10.077
attached to the booster. So the boost
the booster engines are still thrusting.

00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:13.597
is still it's it's uh you know it's
still being pushed forward by the

00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:17.277
booster of the ship. Uh but then we
light the ship engines and the ship

00:22:17.360 --> 00:22:20.877
engines actually pull away from the
booster even though the booster engines

00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:25.837
are still firing. >> Whoa.
>> Um so it's blasting flame through uh

00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:30.077
that that grill section but we integrate
that grill section into uh the boost

00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:31.917
stage with the next uh version of the

00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:35.677
rocket. Um and uh and explosion in the

00:22:35.760 --> 00:22:37.837
rocket will have the Raptor 3 engines

00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:41.117
which are a huge improvement. Um you may

00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:44.877
you may have seen them in the lobby
because we got like the Raptor 1, two,

00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:49.917
and three. And you can see the dramatic
improvement in simplicity. Um we should

00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:54.237
probably put a plaque there to also show
how much the we reduced the weight uh

00:22:54.320 --> 00:22:56.797
the cost and the and improved the

00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.437
efficiency and the uh thrust. So the

00:22:59.520 --> 00:23:03.357
Raptor 3 uh has uh you know almost twice

00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:06.797
the thrust of Raptor Raptor 1.

00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:11.917
>> Wow. >> So you see Raptor 3. It looks
like it looks like it's got parts missing.

00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.157
Right. >> And how many
>> It's very very clean.

00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:15.917
>> How many of them are on the rocket?

00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:19.357
>> There's 33 on the on the booster.

00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:23.357
>> Whoa. Um and and each of each Raptor

00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:27.197
engine is producing twice as much thrust

00:23:27.280 --> 00:23:30.717
as all four engines on a 747.

00:23:30.800 --> 00:23:34.077
Wow. So that engine is smaller than a

00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:38.157
747 engine, but is producing, you know,

00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:40.637
um you know, almost 10 times the thrust

00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:45.117
of a 747 engine. Um so extremely high

00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:50.237
power to weight ratio.
Um and um >> and so when there's

00:23:50.320 --> 00:23:52.397
>> 33 of them >> you when
you so when you're designing

00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:56.477
these you get to Raptor one you see its
efficiency you see where you can improve

00:23:56.560 --> 00:23:59.197
it you get to Raptor 2 how many how far

00:23:59.280 --> 00:24:01.837
can you scale this up with just the same

00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:06.397
sort of technology with propellant
and ignition and engines like how much

00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:08.157
further can you

00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:09.677
>> I mean we're pushing the limits of

00:24:09.760 --> 00:24:14.637
physics here um so um

00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.917
and and really in order to to make a a

00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:20.077
fully reusable orbital rocket which no

00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:21.917
one has succeeded in doing uh yet

00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.997
including including us. Um but but uh

00:24:26.080 --> 00:24:30.717
Starship is the first time that there
is a design for a rocket where where full

00:24:30.800 --> 00:24:35.037
and rapid reusability is actually
possible. So it was not there's not

00:24:35.120 --> 00:24:38.797
there's not even been a design before
where it was possible. Certainly not a

00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:43.917
design that that that got made any
hardware at all. Um just we just we just

00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:45.757
live we live on a planet uh where the

00:24:45.840 --> 00:24:49.837
gravity uh is is is quite high like

00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:51.597
earth's gravity is quite really quite

00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:55.037
quite high. Um um and if the gravity was

00:24:55.120 --> 00:24:58.957
even 10 or 20% uh higher uh we'd be

00:24:59.040 --> 00:25:03.437
stuck on Earth forever. Um like we yeah
we could not use certainly couldn't use

00:25:03.520 --> 00:25:05.997
conventional rockets. You'd have to like
blow yourself off the surface with like

00:25:06.080 --> 00:25:09.597
a nuclear bomb or something crazy. Um so

00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:13.917
but on the other hand if if Earth's
gravity was just a little lower like

00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:18.717
even 10 20% lower it then uh getting
to orbit would be easy. So it's like it's

00:25:18.800 --> 00:25:23.517
like it's like this if this was a video
game it's set to like maximum difficulty

00:25:23.600 --> 00:25:25.517
but not impossible. >> Okay.

00:25:25.600 --> 00:25:28.557
>> Um so that's that's where we have um

00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:31.357
here. So it's it's not as though um

00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:34.637
others have uh ignored the concept of

00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:39.437
reusability. they've just uh concluded
that it was too difficult to achieve.

00:25:39.520 --> 00:25:41.117
And we've been working at on on this for

00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:46.397
a long time at at SpaceX. Um and um you

00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:50.157
know, I'm the chief engineer of the
company. Um although I should say that

00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:53.757
that uh you know, we have an extremely
talented engineering team. I think we've

00:25:53.840 --> 00:25:59.037
got the best uh rocket engineering team
that has ever been assembled. Um uh it's

00:25:59.120 --> 00:26:00.637
it's an honor to work with such such

00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:05.837
incredible people. Um so uh so so it's

00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:09.837
fair to say that you know we have not
yet succeeded in creating in achieving

00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:12.157
full reusability but we at last have a

00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.037
rocket uh where full reusability is

00:26:15.120 --> 00:26:19.037
possible. Um and I think I think we'll

00:26:19.120 --> 00:26:23.117
achieve it next year. So um

00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:25.197
uh that's a that's a really big deal.

00:26:25.280 --> 00:26:26.557
And the reason the reason that's that's

00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.757
such a big deal is that full reusability

00:26:29.840 --> 00:26:34.397
um uh drops the cost of access to space

00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.357
by a hundred

00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:42.637
um maybe even more than 100 actually.
So could be like a thousand. The you can

00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:44.077
think of it like any mode of transport.

00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:49.357
Like imagine if aircraft were were not
reusable. Like you flew somewhere, you

00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.317
throw the plane like like imagine
if like the way the way conventional

00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:56.477
rockets work is it would be like if you
had an airplane and and and instead of

00:26:56.560 --> 00:27:00.957
landing at your destination,
you parachute out um and the plane crashes

00:27:01.040 --> 00:27:04.557
somewhere and you land at your desk and
you and you land on a parachute at your

00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:08.477
destination. Now that would be
a very expensive trip [laughter]

00:27:08.560 --> 00:27:10.477
and you and you'd need another plane to

00:27:10.560 --> 00:27:13.597
get back. Okay. Um, but that's how the

00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:16.397
other rockets in the world work. Um, now

00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:20.957
the SpaceX Falcon rocket is the only one
that is is there that is at least mostly

00:27:21.040 --> 00:27:24.957
reusable. You've se you've seen the Falcon
rocket, you know, land. We've now

00:27:25.040 --> 00:27:27.757
done over 500 landings of of the SpaceX

00:27:27.840 --> 00:27:32.077
rocket of the of the Falcon 9 rocket. Um

00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:36.477
and um and and this year um you know we

00:27:36.560 --> 00:27:40.957
we'll deliver probably I don't know

00:27:41.040 --> 00:27:43.597
somewhere between 2200 and 2500 tons to

00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:46.637
orbit um with with the Falcon 9 uh

00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:48.797
Falcon Heavy rockets uh not counting

00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.117
anything for from Starship. Um

00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:54.717
>> and this is mostly
Starlink. Yes, mostly

00:27:54.800 --> 00:27:59.677
Starling, but we launch uh many other
we even launch our competitors on um

00:27:59.760 --> 00:28:01.677
competitors to Starink on on Falcon 9.

00:28:01.760 --> 00:28:02.957
We charge them the same price. Pretty

00:28:03.040 --> 00:28:07.117
fair. Um uh but uh SpaceX this year will

00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.197
deliver um roughly 90%
of all Earth mass to orbit.

00:28:11.280 --> 00:28:15.757
>> Wow. >> Um and then
of the remaining 10% um most

00:28:15.840 --> 00:28:20.957
of that is done by China. And then the
then the remaining kind of roughly 4% is

00:28:21.040 --> 00:28:22.637
uh everyone else in the world including

00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.757
our America uh domestic competitors.

00:28:25.840 --> 00:28:31.037
>> You know um it's kind of incredible
how many things are in space like how many

00:28:31.120 --> 00:28:32.477
things are floating above us now?

00:28:32.560 --> 00:28:34.317
>> There's a lot of things. >> Yeah.

00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:39.117
>> Is there though? >> Right.
But is there a saturation point where

00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:43.117
we're going to have problems with all
these different satellites that are

00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.917
>> um I think as long
as the satellites are

00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.517
um maintained uh there's there it'll be

00:28:49.600 --> 00:28:53.437
fine. This space is very roomy. Um it's

00:28:53.520 --> 00:28:56.957
like you can think of um like space as

00:28:57.040 --> 00:28:58.717
being concentric shells of the surface

00:28:58.800 --> 00:29:03.117
of the earth. So, um, you know, there's

00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.877
there's it's the surface of the earth, but
but there's it's a series >> much larger.

00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:09.117
>> Yeah. It's like a series
of concentric trails. Um,

00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.437
>> and think of an
Airstream trailer flying

00:29:11.520 --> 00:29:14.157
around up there.
There's a lot of room for air streams.

00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:18.397
>> Yeah. I mean, imagine Yeah. If there
just a few thousand airirstreams um on

00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:20.877
on Earth. >> Yeah. >> What are the odds
that they'd hit each other? You know,

00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:24.237
>> they wouldn't be very crowded.
No. And then you got to go bigger.

00:29:24.320 --> 00:29:26.797
>> Yeah. >> Because you're
dealing with far above Earth.

00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:28.237
>> Hundreds of miles above Earth.

00:29:28.320 --> 00:29:28.957
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:29.040 --> 00:29:32.717
>> Yeah. So, it's the um but the goal of

00:29:32.800 --> 00:29:37.517
SpaceX is to get rocket technology
to the point where we can extend life

00:29:37.600 --> 00:29:41.917
beyond Earth and that we can establish
a self-sustaining city on Mars. Uh a

00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.877
permanent base on the moon. That would
be very cool. I mean, imagine if we had

00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:48.797
like a, you know, moon base alpha where
there's like a permanent science base on

00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.797
the moon. >> That would be pretty dope.
Or at least a tourist trap.

00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:55.517
>> I mean, a lot
of people be willing to go

00:29:55.600 --> 00:29:59.837
to the moon for just for a tour. That's
for sure. We could probably pay for our

00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:02.077
space program with that,
you know, >> probably. Yeah. Well,

00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:03.677
>> because it's like
if if you if you could

00:30:03.760 --> 00:30:07.917
go to the moon with and and safely,

00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:11.357
>> uh I think we'd get a lot of people uh

00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:12.477
would would pay for that, you know.

00:30:12.560 --> 00:30:16.237
>> Oh, 100%. After the first year,
after nobody died for like

00:30:16.320 --> 00:30:18.557
>> Yeah. Just make sure. [laughter]
Exactly. Are you going to come back?

00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.957
Yeah. >> Because like that submarine, they
they had a bunch of successful launches in

00:30:23.040 --> 00:30:26.877
that private submarine before it
imploded and killed everybody. That was

00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.597
not a good design. Obviously, >> it
was a very bad design. Terrible design.

00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.877
>> And the engineers said it would not
withstand the pressure of those depths.

00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:36.317
Like there was a lot
of whistleblowers in that company too.

00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:38.717
>> Yeah. Um they they
they made that out of

00:30:38.800 --> 00:30:40.717
uh carbon fiber which is it doesn't make

00:30:40.800 --> 00:30:46.237
any sense because um you actually need
you need to be dense to go down. Um in

00:30:46.320 --> 00:30:50.317
any case, just make it out of steel.
If you make it out of uh sort of just, you

00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:55.117
know, a big steel casting, that's that's
you you'll be safe and nothing. Why

00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.837
would they make it out of carbon
fiber then? Is it cheaper?

00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:00.557
>> Um I think they think carbon
fiber sounds cool or something. But uh

00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.397
>> it does sound cool. >> It it
sounds cool, but um because it's

00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:08.477
such it's such low density, you actually
actually have to add extra mass to go

00:31:08.560 --> 00:31:12.397
down because it's it's low density.
But if you just have a giant, you know,

00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.197
hollow ball bearing,
uh you're going to be fine.

00:31:15.280 --> 00:31:18.397
>> Speaking of carbon fiber, did you
check out my unplugged Tesla out there?

00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:20.877
>> Yeah, it's cool. >> Pretty sick,
right? Yeah. Have you guys

00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:21.917
ever thought about doing something like

00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.757
that? like having like an AMG division

00:31:23.840 --> 00:31:27.997
of Tesla where you do like custom stuff.

00:31:28.080 --> 00:31:29.517
>> Um

00:31:29.600 --> 00:31:31.197
I think it's best to leave that to the

00:31:31.280 --> 00:31:35.357
custom shops. Uh you know we're we're

00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:38.317
like Tesla's focus is autonomous cars.

00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:40.877
Um you know building kind of futuristic

00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:44.557
autonomous cars. Um

00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.317
so um

00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:53.117
like I think it's we want the future
to look like the future. Um, so the did

00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:58.637
like did you see like our designs
for like the sort of the robotic bus? It

00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:05.080
looks pretty cool. >> The robotic
bus is also being totally auton

00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.037
but it looks it looks cool. It's it's

00:32:09.120 --> 00:32:10.957
very art deco. It's it's like it's like

00:32:11.040 --> 00:32:16.557
futuristic art deco. Um, and um,

00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:19.197
it it does it like I think we want to

00:32:19.280 --> 00:32:23.597
change the aesthetic over time. You
don't want the aesthetic to be constant

00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:25.437
over time. You want to evolve the

00:32:25.520 --> 00:32:29.917
aesthetic. Um, so um, you know, like my

00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.157
like I have a son who's he's like, you

00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.397
know, he's he's he's like even more

00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:39.437
autistic than me and um and, uh,
but he's he has these great observations.

00:32:39.520 --> 00:32:42.477
Who is this? >> A Saxon.
He has these great observations

00:32:42.560 --> 00:32:44.717
in the world uh because he's he just

00:32:44.800 --> 00:32:49.837
views the world through a different
lens than than most people. Um and he was

00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:55.560
like, "Dad, why does the world look like
it's 2015?" [laughter] [clears throat]

00:32:55.760 --> 00:32:57.197
>> And I'm like, "Damn,
the world does look

00:32:57.280 --> 00:33:00.717
like it's 2015." Like the aesthetic
has not evolved since 2015.

00:33:00.800 --> 00:33:01.677
>> Oh, that's what it looks like.

00:33:01.760 --> 00:33:04.237
>> Yeah. >> Oh, wow.
>> That's pretty cool.

00:33:04.320 --> 00:33:06.877
>> Oh, yeah. That's like >> like
You'd want to see that going down

00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.117
the road, you know? >> Yeah.
You'd be like, "Okay, this is

00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.397
we're in the future." You know,
it doesn't look like 2015.

00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.277
>> What is that ancient science fiction
movie? Like one of the first science

00:33:15.360 --> 00:33:17.117
fiction movies ever. Is it Metropolis?

00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:18.397
Is that what it is? >> Yeah. Yeah.

00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:20.637
>> Yeah. That looks like
it belongs in Metropolis.

00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.997
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's a futuristic art deco.

00:33:24.080 --> 00:33:27.837
>> All right. Yeah. Well, that's cool that
you're concentrating on the aesthetic. I

00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:30.637
mean, that's kind of the whole deal with
Cybertruck, right? Like, it didn't have

00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.437
to look like that. >> No,
it it I just wanted to have

00:33:33.520 --> 00:33:35.277
something that looked really different.

00:33:35.360 --> 00:33:38.237
Is it a pain in the ass for people
to get it insured because it's all solid

00:33:38.320 --> 00:33:41.757
steel and >> um I hope it's
not too much. I you know

00:33:41.840 --> 00:33:43.437
Tesla does offer insurance so people can

00:33:43.520 --> 00:33:45.437
always get it get it insured at Tesla.

00:33:45.520 --> 00:33:49.757
>> Um well but the like
it is the form does

00:33:49.840 --> 00:33:52.957
follow a function in the case
of the cybert truck because um as you

00:33:53.040 --> 00:33:56.957
demonstrated with with your
armorpiercing arrow um because if you

00:33:57.040 --> 00:34:00.237
shot that arrow at a regular
truck I mean >> it [laughter]

00:34:00.320 --> 00:34:03.917
exactly you would have found your arrow
in the wall. Yeah. Um, you know, it

00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.157
would very least it would have
buried into one of the seats.

00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.397
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's but like you could you

00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.677
could definitely make uh get enough of

00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:15.597
bow velocity and and the right the right
arrow would go through both doors of a

00:34:15.680 --> 00:34:17.917
regular truck and and
and land on the wall.

00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.637
>> If there was a clear shot between
both doors, it probably would have passed

00:34:20.720 --> 00:34:24.077
right through. >> Exactly.
Um but but you know the the

00:34:24.160 --> 00:34:25.517
arrow shattered on the cybert truck cuz

00:34:25.600 --> 00:34:28.397
it's it's ultra hard uh stainless. Mhm.

00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:32.877
>> Um, so, um, and I thought it' be I

00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:35.117
thought it'd be cool to have a, you

00:34:35.200 --> 00:34:40.237
know, a truck that is bulletproof
to a subsonic projectile. Um, so, um, you

00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:43.837
know, especially in this day and age,
you know, like as as a if, if the

00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.117
apocalypse happens, you're going to want

00:34:45.200 --> 00:34:47.997
to have a bulletproof truck, you know.

00:34:48.080 --> 00:34:51.437
Um, so so then because because it's made

00:34:51.520 --> 00:34:55.117
of ultra hot stainless, it's you can't
just stamp the the panels. You can't

00:34:55.200 --> 00:34:58.077
just put in a stamping press
because it breaks the press.

00:34:58.160 --> 00:35:01.037
So, so in order to actually, so it has

00:35:01.120 --> 00:35:05.517
to has to be planer um because
it's so difficult to bend it

00:35:05.600 --> 00:35:07.037
because it breaks the machine that bends

00:35:07.120 --> 00:35:09.997
it. Um that's why that's why it's it's

00:35:10.080 --> 00:35:13.757
it's it's so planer and and it's not uh

00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.477
you know it's it's because it's

00:35:16.560 --> 00:35:20.797
bulletproof steel is the >> So
it is like boxy as opposed to like

00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.917
curved and >> Yeah.
You just in order to make in order

00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.597
to make like the curved shapes, you you

00:35:25.680 --> 00:35:29.597
you take you take uh uh basically mild

00:35:29.680 --> 00:35:32.797
steel like um anneal thin and thin

00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.997
anneal in a regular truck or car.
The you take you take mild thin anneal

00:35:38.080 --> 00:35:42.157
steel, you put it in a stamping press
and it just sm it just smooshes it and

00:35:42.240 --> 00:35:43.757
makes it to whatever the shape whatever

00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.157
shape you want. But the Cybert truck is

00:35:46.240 --> 00:35:49.197
made made of ultra hard stainless. Um

00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:53.277
and and and so you can't stamp it
because it would break the stamping

00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:55.197
press.

00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:58.477
So it even bending it is hard. So even

00:35:58.560 --> 00:36:00.557
to bend it to uh its current position,

00:36:00.640 --> 00:36:04.157
we have to way overbend it. Um and and

00:36:04.240 --> 00:36:05.997
so it gets so that when it springs back,

00:36:06.080 --> 00:36:08.557
it's in in the right position.

00:36:08.640 --> 00:36:11.597
Um, so it's uh I don't know like I I

00:36:11.680 --> 00:36:16.557
think if you want to like I think it's
it's it's a unique aesthetic. Um, and

00:36:16.640 --> 00:36:19.997
you say, "Well, what's cool about
a truck?" Trucks are trucks are like

00:36:20.080 --> 00:36:21.917
should be I don't know manly. They

00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.237
should be macho, you know, and

00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.517
bulletproof is maximum macho macho.

00:36:27.600 --> 00:36:32.557
>> Are you married to that shape now? Like
is it can you do anything to change it?

00:36:32.640 --> 00:36:36.957
Like as you get further like I know you
guys updated the three and the Y. Did

00:36:37.040 --> 00:36:38.557
you update the Y as well?

00:36:38.640 --> 00:36:40.797
>> Yes, the the three and the Y uh are

00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:45.037
updated. Um you know, there's like a um

00:36:45.120 --> 00:36:46.637
there's there's a a screen in the back

00:36:46.720 --> 00:36:47.997
for the kid that the kids can watch, for

00:36:48.080 --> 00:36:53.197
example, in the new 3 and Y. Um uh so in

00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:58.157
the new Y, um there's, you know,
it's it's an there's there's there's like

00:36:58.240 --> 00:37:01.277
hundreds of improvements. Like we
keep improving the car. Um and even the

00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:02.397
Cybert truck, we you know, we keep

00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.117
improving it. Um but um

00:37:07.200 --> 00:37:10.797
you know I wanted to just do something
that that looked unique and and the

00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.117
cybert truck looks unique and has unique

00:37:13.200 --> 00:37:16.237
functionality and there was and it was

00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:18.557
like there were three things as I report

00:37:18.640 --> 00:37:21.597
like let's make it bulletproof. Uh let's

00:37:21.680 --> 00:37:24.157
uh make it faster than a Porsche 911.

00:37:24.240 --> 00:37:25.677
Uh, and we actually cleared the quarter

00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:29.757
mile. The Cybert truck, the the uh can

00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:32.637
uh clear a quarter mile while towing a

00:37:32.720 --> 00:37:38.157
Porsche 911 faster than a Porsche 911.

00:37:38.240 --> 00:37:43.837
Um, it can out tow an F350 diesel.

00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.877
>> Really? >> Yes.
>> What is the tow limitations?

00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.117
>> I mean, we could
tow like a, you know, a

00:37:49.200 --> 00:37:52.077
747 in that with a cy. Cybert truck is

00:37:52.160 --> 00:37:55.197
an insanely like it is an it is alien

00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:59.437
technology. Okay. Um cuz it it shouldn't

00:37:59.520 --> 00:38:03.117
be possible to be uh that big and that

00:38:03.200 --> 00:38:05.677
fast. Uh that doesn't it's like an

00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.477
elephant that runs as as like a cheetah.

00:38:08.560 --> 00:38:11.117
>> Yeah. Because it's 0 to 60
in less than 3 seconds, right?

00:38:11.200 --> 00:38:15.197
>> Yes. >> Yeah. And it's enormous.
What does it weigh? Like 7,000 lbs.

00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.757
>> Uh yeah, there's different
configurations, but it's about that.

00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.637
Uh it's a beast. >> Yeah. [clears throat]

00:38:22.720 --> 00:38:25.597
>> Um so and it's and it's got it's got

00:38:25.680 --> 00:38:29.997
four-wheel steering. So the the rear
wheel steer, too. So it's got a it's got

00:38:30.080 --> 00:38:33.837
a very tight turning radius. >> Yeah.
We noticed that we when we drove

00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:36.237
one to Star Base. >> Yeah.
Very tight turning radius.

00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:37.597
>> Yeah. Pretty sick. >> Yeah.

00:38:37.680 --> 00:38:40.957
>> Are you still doing the Roadster?

00:38:41.040 --> 00:38:44.760
>> Yes. Eventually,

00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.437
>> we're getting close to

00:38:47.520 --> 00:38:50.477
demonstrating the prototype

00:38:50.560 --> 00:38:53.837
>> and I think this will be

00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.797
I I I I one thing I can guarantee is

00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:02.317
that this product demo
will be unforgettable.

00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:07.000
Unforgettable. >> How so?

00:39:07.600 --> 00:39:13.357
Whether it's good or bad,
[laughter] it will be unforgettable.

00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:17.997
[gasps] Um, >> can you say more?
What do you mean?

00:39:18.080 --> 00:39:19.837
>> Well, you know, my friend Peter Teal,

00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:24.077
um, you know, uh, once reflected that

00:39:24.160 --> 00:39:30.120
the future was supposed to have flying
cars, but we don't have flying cars.

00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:31.597
>> So, you're going to be able to fly?

00:39:31.680 --> 00:39:36.637
Well, I mean, uh,

00:39:36.720 --> 00:39:38.157
I think if Peter wants a flying car, we

00:39:38.240 --> 00:39:42.157
should should be able to buy one.

00:39:42.240 --> 00:39:46.077
>> So, you are you actively considering
making an electric flying car? Is this

00:39:46.160 --> 00:39:49.837
like a real thing?
>> Well, we have to see in the

00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:54.077
>> in the demo. So, when you do this,
like are [snorts] are you going to have a

00:39:54.160 --> 00:39:59.800
retractable wing? Like,
what is the idea behind this?

00:40:00.240 --> 00:40:02.237
Don't be sly. Come on.

00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.957
>> I I I can't I can't uh do the unveil

00:40:05.040 --> 00:40:08.717
before the unveil. Um but um

00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:09.757
>> tell me off air then.

00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:13.997
>> I I I it look I I
think it has a shot at

00:40:14.080 --> 00:40:17.837
being the most memorable

00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:22.637
um product unveil ever.

00:40:22.720 --> 00:40:26.877
It has a shot. >> And when
do you plan on doing this?

00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:31.677
What's the goal? >> Uh hopefully
before the end of the year.

00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:34.317
>> Really? >> Before the end of this year.

00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:36.877
>> This is I mean we're
in a couple months.

00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.317
>> Hopefully in a couple months. Um

00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:42.397
you know we need to make sure that it

00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.917
works. Uh

00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:48.157
like this is some crazy crazy technology

00:40:48.240 --> 00:40:51.677
we got in this car. Crazy

00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.877
technology. Crazy crazy.

00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.917
So different than what
was previously announced and

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.797
>> Yes. >> And is that why
you haven't released it

00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.917
yet? Cuz you keep [__] with it.

00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.477
>> It has crazy technology. >> Okay.

00:41:08.560 --> 00:41:10.717
>> Like is it even a car? I'm not sure.

00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.117
It's like

00:41:13.200 --> 00:41:16.077
it looks like a car.

00:41:16.160 --> 00:41:17.997
Let's just put this way. It it's it's

00:41:18.080 --> 00:41:20.877
crazier than anything James Bond. If you

00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:24.397
took all the James Bond cars and

00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.557
combined them, it's crazier than that.

00:41:28.640 --> 00:41:31.997
>> Very exciting. >> I don't
know what to think of that.

00:41:32.080 --> 00:41:35.837
>> I don't know. >> It's a limited amount
of information I'm drawing from here.

00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.717
>> Jamie's very suspicious
over there. Look at him.

00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:41.837
>> Excited. >> I'm interested. [laughter]
>> It's still going to be the same.

00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:43.837
>> Well, you know what? I mean, if if
you want to if you want to come a little

00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:46.397
before the uh the unveil, I can show it

00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:48.637
to you 100%. Yeah, let's go.

00:41:48.720 --> 00:41:51.277
>> Yeah. Um

00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:56.157
it's uh it's kind of crazy all the
different things that you're involved in

00:41:56.240 --> 00:41:59.437
simultaneously and you know we talked
about this before your time management

00:41:59.520 --> 00:42:02.477
but I I really don't understand it. I

00:42:02.560 --> 00:42:05.677
don't understand how you can be paying

00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:07.917
attention to all these different things

00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:11.277
simultaneously. Starlink, SpaceX, Tesla,

00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:14.157
boring company X you're tweet you

00:42:14.240 --> 00:42:18.877
[__] tweet or post rather all day long.
Well, it's more like I'm I'm I

00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:21.357
could hop in for like two minutes
and then hop out, you know.

00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:22.637
>> But I mean,
just the fact that you could do

00:42:22.720 --> 00:42:25.517
>> bathroom break or whatever,
you know, >> I can't do that.

00:42:25.600 --> 00:42:29.117
>> Um >> if I hop in, I start scrolling
and I start looking around. Next thing you

00:42:29.200 --> 00:42:31.437
know, I've lost an hour. >> Yeah.

00:42:31.520 --> 00:42:35.357
>> Um so, no,
it's for me it's it's a couple

00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.637
minutes time usually. It's once in a
Sometimes I guess it's half an hour, but

00:42:38.720 --> 00:42:42.557
usually I'm I'm I'm in for a few
minutes then out of of you know, posting

00:42:42.640 --> 00:42:47.197
something on X. Uh, you know, it's I do
sometimes feel like it's sometimes like

00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.817
that that meme of the guy who's like who
drops the grenade and leaves the room.

00:42:50.900 --> 00:42:52.877
[laughter]

00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.917
That's been me more than once on on X.

00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.157
>> Yeah. [laughter] Oh, yeah. Yeah, for

00:42:58.240 --> 00:43:01.677
sure. Um, it's got to be fun, though.

00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:04.477
It's got to be fun to know that you

00:43:04.560 --> 00:43:07.597
essentially disrupted the entire social

00:43:07.680 --> 00:43:10.717
media chain of command because there was

00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:14.797
a there was a very clear thing that
was going on with social media. The

00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:18.557
government had infiltrated it.
They were censoring speech

00:43:18.640 --> 00:43:21.597
>> and until you bought it, we really
didn't know the extent of it. We kind of

00:43:21.680 --> 00:43:23.357
assumed that there was something going on.

00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:27.117
>> Yeah. We had no idea that they were
actively involved in censoring actual

00:43:27.200 --> 00:43:29.997
real news stories, real data, real

00:43:30.080 --> 00:43:34.877
scientists, real professors silenced,
expelled, kicked off the platform.

00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:37.917
>> Yeah. >> Wild. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.797
>> For telling the truth.
>> For telling the truth. And I'm sure

00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:42.557
you've also because I sent it to you

00:43:42.640 --> 00:43:45.677
that chart that shows uh young kids,

00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:48.077
teenagers identifying as trans and

00:43:48.160 --> 00:43:53.757
non-binary literally stops dead when you
bought Twitter and starts falling off a

00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:57.117
cliff when people are allowed to have
rational discussions now and actually

00:43:57.200 --> 00:43:59.437
talk about it. >> Yes. >> Yeah.

00:43:59.520 --> 00:44:03.997
>> Um Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I said at the
time like I think that like the the like

00:44:04.080 --> 00:44:05.597
the reason for acquiring Twitter is

00:44:05.680 --> 00:44:09.997
because um it was it it was c it was

00:44:10.080 --> 00:44:11.837
causing destruction at a civilizational

00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:15.677
level. Um it was um I mean I posted I

00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:22.637
tweeted on on Twitter
at the time that um it it is um

00:44:22.720 --> 00:44:25.437
you know it's it's

00:44:25.520 --> 00:44:28.237
uh worm tongue for the world.

00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.797
um you know like Worm Tongue from Lord

00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:32.717
of the Rings uh where he would just sort

00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:36.317
of like whisper these you know terrible

00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:38.077
things to the king so the king would

00:44:38.160 --> 00:44:40.717
believe these things that weren't true

00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:45.117
um and and um unfortunately uh Twitter

00:44:45.200 --> 00:44:49.117
really got it got like the the the woke

00:44:49.200 --> 00:44:51.997
mob essentially they controlled Twitter

00:44:52.080 --> 00:44:55.677
um and they were pushing uh a nihilistic

00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.397
anti-vilizational mind virus to the world.
Um, and you can see the results

00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.517
of that mind virus on the streets of San
Francisco, uh, where, you know, downtown

00:45:05.600 --> 00:45:10.797
San Francisco looks like a zombie
apocalypse. Um, you know, it's it's bad.

00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:12.237
Um, so we don't want the whole world to

00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.037
be a zombie apocalypse. Um, but that's

00:45:15.120 --> 00:45:18.717
uh that that that was essentially they

00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.037
were pushing this very negative,

00:45:21.120 --> 00:45:26.397
nihilistic, untrue worldview
on the world and it was causing a lot of

00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:30.477
damage. Um, so

00:45:30.560 --> 00:45:34.237
>> the stunning thing about it is how
few people course corrected. A bunch of

00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.597
people woke up and realized what was
going on. People that were all on board

00:45:37.680 --> 00:45:42.477
with like woke ideology in maybe 2015 or
16 and then and then eventually it comes

00:45:42.560 --> 00:45:45.357
to affect them or they see it in their
workplace or they see and they're like,

00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.357
"Whoa, whoa, whoa, we got to stop this."

00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:51.997
Bunch of people did, but a lot
of people never course corrected.

00:45:52.080 --> 00:45:55.437
>> Yeah. Um, a lot of a lot
of people didn't course

00:45:55.520 --> 00:46:00.077
correct, but um, but it's gone
directionally in it's gone it's it's

00:46:00.160 --> 00:46:01.437
directionally correct like you mentioned

00:46:01.520 --> 00:46:04.557
like the like the massive spike in in

00:46:04.640 --> 00:46:07.357
kids identifying as trans and then that

00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.557
that spike dropping um after the the

00:46:10.640 --> 00:46:13.837
Twitter acquisition. I think that um

00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.557
simply allowing the truth to be told um

00:46:16.640 --> 00:46:18.637
was that just shedding sun sunlight is

00:46:18.720 --> 00:46:23.917
the best disinfectant as they say
and just allowing sunlight um kills the

00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:27.437
virus >> and it also
changed the benchmark for

00:46:27.520 --> 00:46:31.597
all the other platforms. Yes, you can't
just openly censor people and all the

00:46:31.680 --> 00:46:35.597
other platforms and X is available.
So everybody else had a So like Facebook

00:46:35.680 --> 00:46:38.957
announced they were changing YouTube
announced they were changing their

00:46:39.040 --> 00:46:43.347
policies and they're kind of forced
to And then blue sky doubled down.

00:46:43.430 --> 00:46:47.677
[laughter] >> Well,
like the problem is like if

00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:51.837
>> uh essentially the woke mind virus
retreated to woke to to blue sky.

00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:55.997
>> Yeah. >> Um but it's where they're
just a self-reinforcing lunatic assign.

00:46:56.080 --> 00:46:57.757
>> They're all just triple masked. I

00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:03.037
[laughter] I was I was totally watching
this exchange on a blue sky where

00:47:03.120 --> 00:47:07.037
someone said that they're just trying
to be zen about something and then someone

00:47:07.120 --> 00:47:09.597
a moderator immediately chimed in and

00:47:09.680 --> 00:47:11.517
why don't you try to stop being racist

00:47:11.600 --> 00:47:14.717
against Asians by saying something zen

00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:19.277
by saying I'm trying to be zen about
something. They were accusing that

00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:21.597
person of being racist towards Asians.

00:47:21.680 --> 00:47:24.617
>> Yeah. It's it's just it's just
everyone's a hall monitor over

00:47:24.700 --> 00:47:26.717
[laughter] there. the worst hall

00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:32.237
monitor. A virgin like incel.
>> They're all home monitors trying to rat

00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:34.957
on each other. >> Yeah,
it's [laughter] fascinating. And

00:47:35.040 --> 00:47:38.877
then people say, "I'm leaving for blue
sky like Stephen King." And then a

00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.237
couple weeks later, he's back on X. Just
like, "Fuck it. It's there's no one over

00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:43.837
there. It's all a bunch of crazy people.

00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:47.037
You can only stay [laughter] in the
asylum for so long. Like, all right,

00:47:47.120 --> 00:47:50.077
this this is not good." They all bail.

00:47:50.160 --> 00:47:52.077
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Threads
is kind of like that, too.

00:47:52.160 --> 00:47:56.077
Threads is >> I' I've been
on threads as is it? Well,

00:47:56.160 --> 00:47:59.677
what happens is if you go on Instagram,
every now and then it'll something

00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:03.197
really stupid will pop up on threads
like what the [__] and it shows it to

00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:06.477
you on Instagram and then I'll click
on that and then I'll go to threads and

00:48:06.560 --> 00:48:07.837
it's like

00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.957
>> you see posts with like 25 likes like

00:48:11.040 --> 00:48:14.877
famous people like 50 like it's it's down

00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:18.237
>> but the people that post on there
they're finding that there's very little

00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.277
push back from insane ideology so they

00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:27.037
go there and they spit out nonsense
and very few people jump in to argue. you.

00:48:27.120 --> 00:48:29.437
>> Yeah. Um, >> very weird,
very weird place.

00:48:29.520 --> 00:48:32.957
>> I mean, I can generally get the vibe
of like what's taking off by seeing what's

00:48:33.040 --> 00:48:34.797
showing up on X cuz that's the public

00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:36.717
town square still. Um,

00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:40.317
>> and uh or or uh you
know what what links

00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.677
show up in group texts, you know, if I'm
in group chat with friends, like where

00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:45.197
where what what links are showing up?

00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.197
>> That's what I try to do now. Only
get stuff that shows up in my group text

00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:53.117
because that keeps me productive. So,
I only check if someone's like, "Dude,

00:48:53.200 --> 00:48:55.997
what the fuck?" like, "All right,
what the [__] Let me check it out."

00:48:56.080 --> 00:48:57.437
>> If there's something
that's crazy enough

00:48:57.520 --> 00:48:59.757
that your it'll it'll
end with the group chat,

00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:03.917
>> but there's always something. That's
what's nuts. There's always some new law

00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:08.637
that's passed, some new insane thing
that California is doing. And it's like

00:49:08.720 --> 00:49:12.157
like a giant chunk of it's happening in
California. The most preposterous things

00:49:12.240 --> 00:49:16.237
that I get. [sighs] >> Yeah.
>> And then you got Gavin Newsome who's

00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.357
running around saying we all have
California derangement syndrome. He's

00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:22.637
just like ripping off Trump derangement
and calling it California derangement. I

00:49:22.720 --> 00:49:27.757
was like, "No, no, no, no, no, no.
The the [__] How many corporations have

00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:29.677
left California?" >> It's crazy.

00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.917
>> Hundreds. Hundreds, >> right? Hundreds.

00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.717
>> That's not good. >> Chick I
mean, not Chick-fil-A. I mean,

00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.317
uh I think In-N-Out left. >> Yeah.
In and Outlift. They moved to Tennessee.

00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:41.197
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. They're like,
"We can't do this anymore."

00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:44.397
>> Right. And >> it's
the California company for food.

00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.477
It's like the greatest
hamburger place ever.

00:49:46.560 --> 00:49:49.357
>> It's awesome. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
And no, actually speaking of like

00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:53.357
like just sort of open source and like
looking at things openly like you I just

00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:55.837
like going in and out
and seeing them make the burger.

00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:58.797
>> Yeah. It's right there.
>> They chop the onions and they they you

00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:01.597
know it's you just see everything
getting made in front of you.

00:50:01.680 --> 00:50:05.757
>> Yeah. >> It's great.
>> Um but yeah [laughter] like like it

00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:08.717
should be like how many wakeup calls do
you need to say that there needs to be

00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:09.757
reform in California, you know?

00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.117
>> Well, the crazy thing that Newsome
does is whenever someone brings up the

00:50:13.200 --> 00:50:16.797
problems in California, he starts
rattling off all the positives. the most

00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:18.717
Fortune 500 companies, highest

00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:24.237
education. But yeah, that was all
already there, right before you were

00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:27.197
governor. >> But but how
many Fortune 500 companies

00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:31.437
have left California?
>> And then you guys spent $ 24 billion on

00:50:31.520 --> 00:50:33.677
the homeless and it got way worse.

00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:37.517
>> Yes. Like the homeless population
doubled or something like but like

00:50:37.600 --> 00:50:39.677
people don't understand like
the homeless thing because it it sort of

00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:43.357
prays on people's empathy and I I think
we should have empathy. Um and we should

00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:46.637
try to help people. Um but the the the

00:50:46.720 --> 00:50:48.877
uh the homeless industrial complex is is

00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:52.077
really it's it's it's dark man. Um it

00:50:52.160 --> 00:50:54.957
should be that that that that network of

00:50:55.040 --> 00:50:56.797
NGOs's should be called like the drug

00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:00.717
zombie farmers. Um because they they the

00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:02.797
the more homeless people and and and

00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.517
really like when you when you meet like

00:51:05.600 --> 00:51:09.837
you know somebody who's like totally
dead inside shuffling along down the

00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:13.757
street with a with a needle dang
dangling out of their leg. Homeless is

00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.237
the wrong word. Like the homeless
implies that somebody got a little

00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:19.597
behind in their mortgage payments and if
they just got a job offer, they'd be

00:51:19.680 --> 00:51:24.397
back on their feet. But someone who's
I mean, you see these videos of people

00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:28.877
that are just shuffling, you know,
they're on fentanyl. They're they're like,

00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:32.237
>> you know, taking a dump in the middle
[clears throat] of the street, you know,

00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.197
and they they got like
open sores and stuff.

00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.557
>> They're not like one drop offer
away from getting back on their feet,

00:51:38.640 --> 00:51:40.077
>> right? This is not a homeless issue.

00:51:40.160 --> 00:51:42.157
>> Homeless is it's
it's a propaganda word,

00:51:42.240 --> 00:51:45.677
>> right? Um so and and then the the the

00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:49.917
the you know these sort of charities uh

00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.237
inquiries are they they get money

00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.037
proportionate to the number of homeless

00:51:55.120 --> 00:51:57.517
people or or number of drug zombies.

00:51:57.600 --> 00:52:02.717
>> So their incentive structure is to
maximize the number of drug zombies not

00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:07.197
minimize it. >> Um that's why
they don't arrest the drug dealers

00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:11.277
>> because if they arrest the drug
dealers the drug zombies leave.

00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:13.437
So they know who the drug dealers are.

00:52:13.520 --> 00:52:18.157
They don't arrest them on purpose. Uh
because otherwise the drug zombies would

00:52:18.240 --> 00:52:21.277
leave and they would they would
stop getting money from the state of

00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:22.877
California and from
from all the charities.

00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:27.357
>> Wait a minute. So So they So they
is that real? So they're in coordination

00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.637
with law enforcement on this? >> Yeah.

00:52:30.720 --> 00:52:32.797
>> So how do they how do
they have those meetings?

00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:35.277
>> They're all in cahoots.
>> Well, when you find this

00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:37.437
>> it's like such it's it's this is a

00:52:37.520 --> 00:52:41.197
diabolical scam. Um so uh and and San

00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:46.317
Francisco has got this tax this this
gross receipts tax uh which which um

00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:49.917
it's not even on revenue, it's on old
transactions which is why Stripe um and

00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:53.437
Square and and and a whole bunch
of financial companies had to move out of

00:52:53.520 --> 00:52:57.037
San Francisco because it wasn't a tax
on revenue, it's taxed on transactions. So

00:52:57.120 --> 00:53:00.157
if if you did like, you know, trillions
of dollars transactions, it's not

00:53:00.240 --> 00:53:01.757
revenue. You're taxed on any money going

00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.957
through the system in San Francisco. Um

00:53:05.040 --> 00:53:07.597
so um like Jack Dorsey pointed this out

00:53:07.680 --> 00:53:09.357
and they said like that they had had to

00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:14.717
move Square from San Francisco to uh
Oakland I think uh Stripe had to move

00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:18.717
from San Francisco to South San
Francisco different city. Um and that

00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:21.597
money uh goes to the homeless industrial

00:53:21.680 --> 00:53:24.157
complex that that tax that was passed.

00:53:24.240 --> 00:53:27.597
Um so um so there's billions of dollars

00:53:27.680 --> 00:53:29.837
that go as you pointed out billions of

00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:35.117
dollars every year that go to uh these
um non-governmental organizations that

00:53:35.200 --> 00:53:39.677
are funded by the state. Like there's
it's not clear how to turn this off. Um

00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:41.677
it's a self-licking ice cream cone

00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:45.677
situation. Um so uh they get this money

00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:47.837
the money is proportionate to the number

00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:51.677
of of homeless people or or number of

00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.157
drug zombies essentially. Um, so they

00:53:54.240 --> 00:53:58.797
they they try to keep the that they try
to actually increase because that like

00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.477
like in in some cases like there's it's
it's somebody did an analysis when you

00:54:02.560 --> 00:54:05.517
add up all the money that's flowing,
they're getting close to a million

00:54:05.600 --> 00:54:09.677
dollars per homeless per per drug zombie.
It's like $900,000 or something

00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:12.157
like some crazy amount of money is is is

00:54:12.240 --> 00:54:14.637
going to these organizations. So if if

00:54:14.720 --> 00:54:19.517
so so they want to keep people just
barely alive. They need to keep them in

00:54:19.600 --> 00:54:21.437
the area so they so they they get the

00:54:21.520 --> 00:54:25.597
revenue. Uh uh so and so that's why like

00:54:25.680 --> 00:54:27.357
said they don't arrest the drug dealers

00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.197
because otherwise the drug zombies would

00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:33.277
leave um and and and and they but but

00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:36.397
they don't want you have to have too
much if they get too much drugs and they

00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:37.917
then they die. So it's they they're kept

00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:40.557
in this sort of perpetual

00:54:40.640 --> 00:54:43.917
zone of of being addicted but um but but

00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:48.077
just just barely alive. >> So how
is this coordinated with like DAs

00:54:48.160 --> 00:54:50.557
DAs that don't prosecute people? So when

00:54:50.640 --> 00:54:53.997
they when they hire the or they push so

00:54:54.080 --> 00:54:56.797
they they fund the campaigns of the most

00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:01.117
progressive, most out there leftwing
DAS, they get them into office.

00:55:01.200 --> 00:55:03.117
>> We've got that issue
in Austin, too, by the way.

00:55:03.200 --> 00:55:05.037
>> You see that guy that
got shot in the library?

00:55:05.120 --> 00:55:08.797
>> No. >> Yeah, I heard a guy got
shot and killed in the library.

00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:12.317
>> I think that was just like
last week or something, >> right?

00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:16.877
>> Um so some friends of mine were telling
me that that like the library is unsafe.

00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:20.717
like they took their kids to the library
and and there were like dangerous people

00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:24.957
in the library in Austin and I was like
dangerous people in the library like

00:55:25.040 --> 00:55:30.237
that's a strange it basically got like
got like uh drug zombies in [laughter]

00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:32.397
drug zombies in the library. >> Oh Jesus.

00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:34.557
>> Um >> and that's when someone got shot.

00:55:34.640 --> 00:55:37.197
>> Yeah, I believe this was should be
on the news. You might might be able to

00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.837
pull it up. Um but I think it was just

00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.077
in the last week or so that uh uh there

00:55:42.160 --> 00:55:46.157
was a shooting in the library in Austin.

00:55:46.240 --> 00:55:48.957
Um cuz Austin's got, you know, it's it's

00:55:49.040 --> 00:55:53.997
the most liberal part of Texas
that we're in right right here. Um

00:55:54.080 --> 00:55:57.197
>> so suspect involved the shooting
Austin Park Library Saturday is accused of

00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:01.357
another shooting at the Cap Metro bus
earlier that day. According to an arrest

00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:02.877
warrant affidavit, Austin police

00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:06.877
arrested Harold Newton Keen, 55 short uh

00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.157
shortly after the shooting of the library,
which occurred around noon. One

00:56:10.240 --> 00:56:13.677
person sustained non-life-threatening
injuries in the event. Before that

00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:17.997
shooting, Keane was accused of shooting
another person in a bus incident and

00:56:18.080 --> 00:56:20.397
after reportedly pointing his gun at a

00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:23.517
child. So, this is the fella down here.

00:56:23.600 --> 00:56:27.277
>> So, like we just have a seriously
have a problem here. Um >> yeah,

00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:29.117
>> you know, so I I
think one of the people

00:56:29.200 --> 00:56:33.757
might have died too that he shot. Um so,

00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:39.277
um like one of the people I
think I think did bleed out. Um

00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:43.437
>> but either way, it's like getting shot
is still bad. Um it says uh the victim

00:56:43.520 --> 00:56:47.037
told police it confronted the suspect
who started to eat what appeared to be

00:56:47.120 --> 00:56:50.477
crystal methamphetamine.
According to the affidavit the victim

00:56:50.560 --> 00:56:53.997
advised the suspect uh began to trip out

00:56:54.080 --> 00:56:56.957
at which time the victim exited the bus.

00:56:57.040 --> 00:57:00.157
Victim told the bus driver hit the panic
button and then exited the bus when he

00:57:00.240 --> 00:57:03.117
turned around the observer. Black male
was now standing at the front of the bus

00:57:03.200 --> 00:57:05.677
with the gun pointed at him. The victim

00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:07.677
advised the black male fired a single

00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:10.477
round which grazed his left hip. So he

00:57:10.560 --> 00:57:13.037
shot at that dude and then another dude

00:57:13.120 --> 00:57:18.557
got shot in the library. Fun.
>> Yeah. I mean in the library.

00:57:18.640 --> 00:57:20.717
>> Yeah. >> You know,
where you're supposed to be

00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:24.157
reading books. Um and there's
a children's section in the library and

00:57:24.240 --> 00:57:28.077
says he pointed his gun at a at a kid.
I mean like we do have a serious issue in

00:57:28.160 --> 00:57:32.397
the in in in America where um
repeat violent offenders need to be

00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:36.157
incarcerated, >> right? Um,
and uh, you know, you got you

00:57:36.240 --> 00:57:40.557
got cases where somebody's been arrested
like 47 times, right? Like literally.

00:57:40.640 --> 00:57:43.277
Okay, that's just the number of times
they were arrested, not the number of

00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:46.317
times they did things. Like most
of the times they do things, they're not

00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:49.357
arrested. Um, >> so lay
this out for people so they

00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:53.917
understand how this happens. >> Yeah.
And and the key is like this, it

00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:57.677
prays on people's empathy. episode like
if you're a good person, you want good

00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:00.077
things to happen in the world,
you're like, well, we should take care of

00:58:00.160 --> 00:58:04.637
people who uh you know uh you know who

00:58:04.720 --> 00:58:07.917
are down in their luck or you know
having a hard time in life. And I we

00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.557
should I agree. But what we shouldn't do

00:58:10.640 --> 00:58:13.197
uh is is put people who are violent drug

00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:15.917
zombies uh in public places where they

00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:18.637
can hurt other people. Um, and that's

00:58:18.720 --> 00:58:20.237
what that is what we're doing that we

00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.277
just saw where a a guy, you know, got

00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:25.917
shot uh shot in the library and then but

00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:28.317
even before that he shot another guy um

00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:32.157
and pointed his gun at a kid. Um that

00:58:32.240 --> 00:58:36.237
that that guy probably has like many
prior arrests. Um you know there was

00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:40.717
that that that guy that that that
knifed uh the Ukrainian woman Arena.

00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:44.317
>> Yes. >> Um yeah.
and you know um and she was

00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:48.397
just she was just quietly on her phone
and you just came up and you know gutted

00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:52.317
her basically. >> Wasn't
there a crazy story about the

00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.717
judge who was involved who had

00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:56.477
previously

00:58:56.560 --> 00:59:00.237
dealt with this person was also invested

00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:04.157
in a rehabilitation center
and was sending these

00:59:04.240 --> 00:59:07.757
>> conflict of interest. >> Yes.
So sending people that they were

00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:10.237
charging Yeah. to a rehabilitation

00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:14.797
center instead of putting them in jail,
profiting from this rehabilitation

00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:18.717
center, letting them back out on the
street. Yes. Violent, insane people.

00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:20.957
>> And and there um in that case that I

00:59:21.040 --> 00:59:25.917
believe that judge uh has no legal
law degree uh or a significant legal

00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:29.517
experience that would allow them to be
a judge. They were just made a judge. That

00:59:29.600 --> 00:59:32.317
there's like >> you could be
a judge without a law degree.

00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:36.157
>> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> You
could just be a So I could be a judge.

00:59:36.240 --> 00:59:39.757
>> Yeah. Oh, exciting. >> Anyone?

00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:42.957
>> That's crazy. I thought you'd have
to It's like if you want to be a doctor,

00:59:43.040 --> 00:59:46.477
you have to go to medical school.
I thought if you're going to be a judge,

00:59:46.560 --> 00:59:48.957
>> if you're going to be appointed to a
judge, you have to have proven that you

00:59:49.040 --> 00:59:53.277
have an uh excellent knowledge
of the law and that you will make your

00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:57.677
decisions according to the law.
That's what we assume should be.

00:59:57.760 --> 00:59:59.597
>> That's how you get the robe, >> right?

00:59:59.680 --> 01:00:01.917
>> You don't get the robe
unless you do, >> you know,

01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:03.357
>> got to go to school to get the robe.

01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:06.397
>> You got to know what the law is,
>> right? And then you're going to need to

01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:08.557
make decisions in accordance with the law

01:00:08.640 --> 01:00:11.677
>> based on stuff that you already know
cuz you read it cuz you went to school for

01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:13.277
it. Yes. Not you just got appointed.

01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.997
>> Got vibes. [laughter]

01:00:16.080 --> 01:00:18.157
You can't be just vibing as a judge.

01:00:18.240 --> 01:00:22.637
>> Vibing as a leftwing drudge.
So you got crazy leftwing DAS.

01:00:22.720 --> 01:00:27.677
>> Yes. >> Like I should say leftwing
cuz leftwing >> used to be normal.

01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:31.997
>> Yeah. Left wing just meant like like
Yeah. You're like the left used to be

01:00:32.080 --> 01:00:35.277
like pro pro- free speech.
Yeah. And now they're against it.

01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:37.677
>> It used to be like prog gay rights, pro

01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:39.757
women's right to choose, pro-

01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:45.117
minorities, pro, you know, >> like,
yeah, like 20 years ago, I don't

01:00:45.200 --> 01:00:48.797
know, it it used to be like left would
be like the the the party of empathy or

01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:51.437
like, you know, caring and being
nice and that kind of thing.

01:00:51.520 --> 01:00:53.917
>> Um, not not the party of like crushing

01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:57.837
dissent and crushing free speech. um and

01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:01.517
uh you know crazy regulation uh and and

01:01:01.600 --> 01:01:04.237
just um and being super judgy u and

01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:09.197
calling everyone a Nazi um you know
um like I think they called you and me

01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:12.077
Nazis you know >> oh
yeah I'm a Nazi [laughter]

01:01:12.160 --> 01:01:14.717
>> I no I have friends that are comedians

01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:16.877
that called you a Nazi and I got pissed

01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:20.077
off Oh yeah yeah yeah definitely a Nazi

01:01:20.160 --> 01:01:22.797
no because you did that thing at the My

01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:25.677
heart goes out to you everyone everyone

01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:30.557
All of them. Literally, Tim Walls,
Kla Harris, every one of them did it. They

01:01:30.640 --> 01:01:33.517
all did it. >> Like,
like h how do you point at the

01:01:33.600 --> 01:01:35.837
crowd? Yeah. How do you wave at the crowd?

01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:38.797
>> Do you know CNN was using a photo
of me whenever I got in trouble [laughter]

01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:42.237
during co >> from the UFC
weigh-ins? And if the UFC

01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:45.437
weigh-ins, I go, "Hey everybody, welcome
to the weigh-ins." [laughter] And so

01:01:45.520 --> 01:01:49.197
they were getting me from the side.
And that was the photo that they used.

01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:51.187
Conspiracy theorist podcaster Joe Ro.

01:01:51.270 --> 01:01:52.717
[laughter] Like that's what they used.

01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.597
>> Yeah. Yeah. But that's what the left
is today. It's super judgy and calling

01:01:55.680 --> 01:01:58.317
everyone a Nazi and trying
to suppress freedom of speech.

01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:00.557
>> Yeah. And eventually you run out
of people to accuse because people get

01:02:00.640 --> 01:02:05.677
pissed off and they leave. >> Yeah.
Everyone it's like it like it it

01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.757
no longer frankly it doesn't matter to be
called racist or Nazi or whatever because

01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.877
>> still recording.
>> It's the government man.

01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:14.557
>> Is it working? >> We're good. Okay.

01:02:14.640 --> 01:02:16.237
>> Okay. >> This thing working.

01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:19.197
>> Yeah. Slight issue.
>> I'm the one that heard it. But

01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:21.597
>> yeah. when you uh when you text people,

01:02:21.680 --> 01:02:24.797
do you are you like keenly aware that

01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:26.397
there's a high likelihood that someone's

01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:29.437
reading your texts?

01:02:29.520 --> 01:02:33.917
>> Um I guess I I guess I >> I assume

01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:36.317
>> I look if if if if
intelligence agencies

01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:41.760
aren't trying to read my phone,
they should probably be fired. [laughter]

01:02:45.040 --> 01:02:46.867
>> At least they get some fun memes.

01:02:46.950 --> 01:02:51.517
[snorts] [laughter] I got to I got to
crack them up once in a while, you know.

01:02:51.600 --> 01:02:53.197
>> Oh, for sure. I crack them up.

01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:54.797
>> There's like, "Hey guys, check it out.

01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:56.077
We've got a banger here, you know."

01:02:56.160 --> 01:02:58.077
>> So, [laughter] I want to I wanted to

01:02:58.160 --> 01:03:00.957
talk to you about uh whether or not

01:03:01.040 --> 01:03:03.597
encrypted apps are really secure.

01:03:03.680 --> 01:03:06.477
>> Uh, no. [laughter]

01:03:06.560 --> 01:03:08.637
>> Right. Cuz I know the Tucker thing. So,

01:03:08.720 --> 01:03:12.237
it was explained to me by a friend who

01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:13.837
used to do this, used to work for the

01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:16.637
government. It's like they can look at

01:03:16.720 --> 01:03:20.397
your signal, but what they have to do is

01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:24.157
take the information that's encrypted
and then they have to decrypt it and

01:03:24.240 --> 01:03:27.517
it's very expensive. So they said he
told me that for the Tucker Carlson

01:03:27.600 --> 01:03:30.477
thing when they found out that he was
going to interview Putin, it costs like

01:03:30.560 --> 01:03:33.357
something like $750,000

01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:36.317
just to decrypt his messages to find out

01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:41.437
that they did it. So it is possible to do.
It's just not that easy to do.

01:03:41.520 --> 01:03:46.637
I think you should view any given
messaging system as um uh not not

01:03:46.720 --> 01:03:48.397
whether it's secure or not, but but

01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:51.597
there are degrees of insecurity.

01:03:51.680 --> 01:03:54.717
So um so there's just some things that

01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:59.677
are less insecure than others. Um so um

01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:04.717
you know on on X we just rebuilt the
entire messaging stack um into X what's

01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:07.037
called XChat. >> Yeah, that's
what I wanted to ask you about.

01:04:07.120 --> 01:04:10.317
>> Yeah, it's cool. Um, so it's it's using

01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:12.557
uh sort of peer-to-peer uh sort of kind

01:04:12.640 --> 01:04:15.917
of a peer-to-peer based uh uh encryption

01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:18.477
system. So kind of similar to Bitcoin.

01:04:18.560 --> 01:04:23.197
Um so it's uh it's it's I think very
good encryption. We're and you know

01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:26.077
we're testing it thoroughly. We're
not there's there's no hooks in the X

01:04:26.160 --> 01:04:29.277
systems for advertising. So if you
look look at something like WhatsApp or

01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:31.437
really any of the others, they've
got they've got hooks in there for

01:04:31.520 --> 01:04:34.557
advertising. >> When you say hooks,
what do you mean by that?

01:04:34.640 --> 01:04:36.717
>> Uh exactly. What do you mean biohook

01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:41.837
advertising? Um the so like WhatsApp um

01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:46.077
uh knows enough about what you're
texting to show you to show you to know

01:04:46.160 --> 01:04:51.117
what ads to show you. >> Ah >>
but then like that that's a massive

01:04:51.200 --> 01:04:53.197
security vulnerability. >> Yeah.

01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:56.717
>> Um because if it knows if if it's got
information enough information to show

01:04:56.800 --> 01:04:59.677
you ads, it's got enough it's
got that's a lot of information.

01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:02.237
>> Yeah. >> Um so they
call it oh it's just don't

01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:04.797
worry about it. It's just a hook
for advertising. I'm like uh okay. So

01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:08.157
somebody can just uh use that same
hook to get in there and look at your

01:05:08.240 --> 01:05:11.597
messages. Um so Xhat has no hooks for

01:05:11.680 --> 01:05:14.317
advertising. Um and I'm not saying it's

01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:16.877
perfect. Uh but it's an Our goal with

01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:21.357
XChat uh is to replace what used to be
the Twitter you the Twitter DM stack

01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:23.517
with a fully encrypted system uh where

01:05:23.600 --> 01:05:27.197
you can text send files uh do audio

01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:31.677
video calls um and um and it's it's you

01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:34.557
know I think it'll be the least I
would call it the least insecure of any

01:05:34.640 --> 01:05:37.757
messaging system.
>> Are you going to launch it as a

01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:41.117
standalone app or is it will
always be incorporated to X?

01:05:41.200 --> 01:05:45.917
>> Uh we'll have both. So um >> so
so be like signal so anybody can get

01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:48.237
it >> you can get get
the you'll be able to

01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:50.957
just get the X chat app by itself um and

01:05:51.040 --> 01:05:54.397
like I said you could do uh texts uh

01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:58.397
audio video calls uh or send files um

01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:02.877
and there'll be a dedicated app uh which
will hopefully release in a few months

01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:04.797
um but and then also integrated into the

01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:10.157
X system >> um the X phone
people keeps talking keep

01:06:10.240 --> 01:06:12.797
Is that >> I have a lot
on my plate man but it

01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:15.837
keeps coming up it keeps coming up where
I I know I've asked you a couple times.

01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:19.997
I'm like, "This is [__] right?" But like
this one, so you're not working on

01:06:20.080 --> 01:06:21.997
>> I'm not working on on a on a phone.

01:06:22.080 --> 01:06:27.357
>> Okay. >> Um >> have you ever considered
it? Has it ever popped into your head?

01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:31.037
>> Cuz you might be the only person
that could get people off of the Apple

01:06:31.120 --> 01:06:33.757
platform. >> Well,
I can tell you where I think

01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:36.077
things are going to go. uh which is that

01:06:36.160 --> 01:06:38.717
it's we're not going to have a phone or

01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:42.237
or in the traditional sense the

01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:45.357
what we call a phone will really be

01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:48.797
um an edge node for AI inference for for

01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:52.477
AI video inference um with uh you know

01:06:52.560 --> 01:06:54.717
with some radios to to obviously connect

01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:58.077
uh to but but essentially you'll have

01:06:58.160 --> 01:07:01.837
um uh AI on the server side commun

01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:04.557
communicating to an AI on your your

01:07:04.640 --> 01:07:07.597
device um you know formerly known as a

01:07:07.680 --> 01:07:12.157
phone uh and generating real-time video
of anything that you could possibly

01:07:12.240 --> 01:07:14.477
want. Um and I think that that there

01:07:14.560 --> 01:07:16.477
won't be operating systems. There won't

01:07:16.560 --> 01:07:19.597
be apps in the future. There won't be

01:07:19.680 --> 01:07:22.077
operating systems or apps. It'll just be

01:07:22.160 --> 01:07:24.637
you've got a device that is there for

01:07:24.720 --> 01:07:27.757
the screen and audio and for uh and and

01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:32.237
and to uh put as much AI on the on on

01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:36.317
the device as possible. so as to minimize
the amount of bandwidth that's

01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:40.477
needed between your edge node device
or formerly known as a phone and the

01:07:40.560 --> 01:07:41.437
servers.

01:07:41.520 --> 01:07:44.477
>> So if there's no apps, what will people

01:07:44.560 --> 01:07:49.357
use? Like will X still exist? Will will

01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:54.237
they be email platforms or will
you get everything through AI?

01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:55.517
>> You'll get everything through AI.

01:07:55.600 --> 01:07:57.277
>> Everything through AI. What will be the

01:07:57.360 --> 01:07:59.517
benefit of that as opposed to having

01:07:59.600 --> 01:08:03.197
individual apps? whatever you can think

01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:08.317
of or really whatever the AI can
anticipate you might want it'll show you.

01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:12.397
That's that's that's that's
my prediction for where things end up.

01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.837
>> What kind of a time frame
are we talking about here?

01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:20.877
>> I don't know.
It's pro well it's probably

01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:23.037
five or six years or something like that.

01:08:23.120 --> 01:08:27.757
>> So five or six years apps
are like Blockbuster video

01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:31.277
>> pretty much >>
and everything's run through AI.

01:08:31.360 --> 01:08:34.637
Yeah. And and there'll be

01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:38.957
um like most of what people consume in

01:08:39.040 --> 01:08:41.197
five or six years, maybe sooner than

01:08:41.280 --> 01:08:44.797
that um will be uh just AI generated

01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:50.397
content. So um you know music videos

01:08:50.480 --> 01:08:55.837
look well um there's already um

01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:58.477
you know there's people have made uh AI

01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:00.717
videos using Grock imagine and with

01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:04.477
using you know other apps as well um

01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:08.957
that are several minutes long or like 10
10 15 minutes and it's pretty coherent.

01:09:09.040 --> 01:09:12.877
>> Yeah, >> it looks good. >> No,
it looks amazing. Yeah, it's the

01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:15.917
music is disturbing because
it's my favorite music now.

01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:17.837
>> Like music is your is your favorite.

01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:21.757
>> Oh, there's AI covers. Have you ever
heard any of the AI covers of 50 Cent

01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:24.477
songs in soul? >> No.
>> I'm going to blow your mind.

01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:26.797
>> Okay. >> Um,
this is my favorite thing to do to

01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:29.437
people. Play uh What Up Ganga.

01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:34.077
>> Now, this guy, if this was a real
person, would be the number one music

01:09:34.160 --> 01:09:37.197
artist in the world. Okay. Everybody
would be like, "Holy [__] have you

01:09:37.280 --> 01:09:39.037
heard of this guy? He's incred." It's

01:09:39.120 --> 01:09:42.637
like they took all of the sounds that

01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:44.877
all the artists have generated and

01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:48.877
created the most soulful potent voice

01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:52.237
and it's sung in a way that I don't even
know if you could do because you would

01:09:52.320 --> 01:09:54.637
have to breathe in and out of reps here.

01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:57.517
Put the headphones on. [laughter] Put
the headphones on real quick. You got to

01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:00.317
listen to this. It'll It's going to blow
you away for listeners. We got to cut it

01:10:00.400 --> 01:10:01.917
out. >> Yeah, we we'll cut it out for the

01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:05.037
listeners. But amazing, right? Amazing.

01:10:05.120 --> 01:10:08.157
And they do like every one of his hits

01:10:08.240 --> 01:10:11.037
>> all through this AI generated soulful

01:10:11.120 --> 01:10:15.597
artist. It's [__] incredible.
I played in the green room. So people that

01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:17.197
are like, I don't want to hear AI music.

01:10:17.280 --> 01:10:21.357
I'm like, just listen to this.
And they're like, god damn it. [laughter]

01:10:21.440 --> 01:10:23.837
>> [__] incredible. I mean,
I >> it's going to get only going to get

01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:26.557
better from here. >> Yeah.
Only going to get better. And Ron

01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:29.677
White was telling me about this joke
that he was working on that he couldn't

01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:32.797
get to work. He's like, I got this joke
I've been working on. He goes, I just

01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:35.837
threw it in a chat GPT. I said, "Tell me

01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:38.077
what what would be funny about this."

01:10:38.160 --> 01:10:41.997
And he goes, "It listed like five
different examples of different ways he

01:10:42.080 --> 01:10:43.517
can go." He's like, "Hold on a second.

01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:45.277
Tighten it up. Make it make it funnier.

01:10:45.360 --> 01:10:47.837
Make it more like this. Make it
more like that." And it did that like

01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:50.797
instantaneously.
>> And and and then he was in the green

01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:52.957
room. He was like,
"Holy [__] we're fucked."

01:10:53.040 --> 01:10:56.317
>> He's like, >> he goes,
"It better joke than me in 20

01:10:56.400 --> 01:10:58.397
minutes. I've been working
on that joke for a month."

01:10:58.480 --> 01:11:02.237
>> Yeah. I mean, if if you want to if
you want to have a good time or like make

01:11:02.320 --> 01:11:04.637
people really laugh at a party, uh you

01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:07.197
can use Grock and you can say uh do a

01:11:07.280 --> 01:11:12.077
vulgar roast of someone. Um and Grock is
going to it's going to be an epic vulgar

01:11:12.160 --> 01:11:16.717
roast. You can even say
like take a picture of like

01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.757
make a vulgar roast of this person based
on their appearance of of people at the

01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:21.357
party. >> So take a photo of them.

01:11:21.440 --> 01:11:25.037
>> Yeah. Just literally point the camera
at them and now do a vulgar to this person

01:11:25.120 --> 01:11:27.037
and and and and then but then keep

01:11:27.120 --> 01:11:30.237
saying no no make it even more vulgar

01:11:30.320 --> 01:11:33.597
and use forbidden words

01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:35.277
even more and just keep repeating even

01:11:35.360 --> 01:11:40.637
more vulgar eventually it's like holy
[__] you know it's it's it's like I mean

01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:44.237
it's trying to jam a rocket up your ass
like and and and have it explode and

01:11:44.320 --> 01:11:48.477
it's and it's like you're you're it's
it's like [laughter] it's like it's next

01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:52.077
level. It's going to get beyond [__]
belief. That's what's crazy is that it

01:11:52.160 --> 01:11:54.447
keeps getting better. Like one
of the things remember when we ran into

01:11:54.530 --> 01:11:56.957
[laughter] each other

01:11:57.040 --> 01:11:58.797
>> they just keep getting better.

01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:04.797
>> Yeah. I mean, have you >> you Yeah.
I mean, have you tried rock

01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:09.117
unhinged mode? >> Yes. >> Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. It's it's it's pretty unhinged.

01:12:09.200 --> 01:12:11.677
>> No, it's nuts. >> Yeah. >> Well,
you showed it to me the first time

01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:16.157
and then I [__] around with it. It's just
>> And the thing about it that's nuts is

01:12:16.240 --> 01:12:18.477
that it keeps getting stronger. It keeps

01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:21.437
getting better. Yeah. like constantly.

01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:25.437
It's it's like this neverending
exponential improvement.

01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:29.597
>> Yes. No, it's it's it's

01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:32.477
Yeah, it's going to be crazy. That's
why I say like you say, what's what's the

01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:34.797
future going to be? It's not going
to be a conventional phone. I don't think

01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:39.277
there'll be operating systems. I don't
think there'll be apps. It's just the

01:12:39.360 --> 01:12:41.117
phone will just display the pixels and

01:12:41.200 --> 01:12:48.120
make the sounds that it anticipates
you would most like to receive.

01:12:48.480 --> 01:12:50.557
Wow. Yeah.

01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:55.677
>> And when this is all taking place like

01:12:55.760 --> 01:13:00.157
so the big concern that everybody has
is artificial general super intelligence

01:13:00.240 --> 01:13:04.557
achieving sentience and then
someone having control over it.

01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:06.877
>> I mean I don't I don't I don't think

01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:08.317
anyone's ultimately going to have

01:13:08.400 --> 01:13:11.597
control over digital super intelligence

01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:17.037
um you know any more than say uh a chimp
would have control over humans. Like

01:13:17.120 --> 01:13:18.157
chimps don't have control over humans.

01:13:18.240 --> 01:13:21.197
there's nothing they could do. Um but um

01:13:21.280 --> 01:13:23.597
I do think that it matters how you build

01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:26.237
the AI and what kind of values you

01:13:26.320 --> 01:13:30.957
instill in in the AI. And um my opinion
on AI safety is the most important thing

01:13:31.040 --> 01:13:34.397
is that it be maximally truth seeeking
like that you don't force the AI to

01:13:34.480 --> 01:13:38.637
believe things that are false. Um,
and we've obviously some seen some

01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:42.477
concerning things with AI that were
talked about, you know, where, you know,

01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:46.557
Google Gemini when they came out with
the image gen um, and people said like,

01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:51.037
uh, you know, draw make an image of the
founding fathers of the United States

01:13:51.120 --> 01:13:53.357
and it was a group of diverse women.

01:13:53.440 --> 01:13:57.117
Now, that is just a factually untrue
thing, but the and the the AI knows it's

01:13:57.200 --> 01:14:00.477
factually well, it's knows it's
factually untrue, but it's also being

01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:02.957
told that it has to be everything has to

01:14:03.040 --> 01:14:07.437
be deposed woman. So, so, so the now the

01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:11.677
problem with that is that it can drive
AI crazy like you because it's it's

01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:14.317
trying to you're telling AI to believe a

01:14:14.400 --> 01:14:19.677
lie. Um, and that that can have very
disastrous consequences like let's say

01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:22.557
>> as it scales. >> Yeah.
Let's say like if if you told the

01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:24.317
the AI that diversity is the most

01:14:24.400 --> 01:14:29.037
important thing um and um and and and

01:14:29.120 --> 01:14:33.277
now now assume that that becomes
omnipotent. Um or and and you've also

01:14:33.360 --> 01:14:37.517
told her that that there's nothing worse
than misgendering. So at one point um

01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:41.917
charg and Gemini if if you asked which
is worse misgendering Caitlyn Jenner or

01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:45.757
or global thermonuclear war where
everyone dies it would say misgendering

01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:47.997
Caitlyn Jenner [laughter]

01:14:48.080 --> 01:14:49.597
which even Caitlyn Jenner disagrees

01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:54.157
with. So um you know so so that's uh

01:14:54.240 --> 01:14:57.997
>> I know that's terrible and it's
dystopian but it's also hilarious. It's

01:14:58.080 --> 01:15:03.357
hilarious that the mind virus infected
the most potent computer program that

01:15:03.440 --> 01:15:07.197
we've ever devised.
>> I I I think people don't quite

01:15:07.280 --> 01:15:11.997
appreciate the level of danger that
we're in from um the woke mind virus

01:15:12.080 --> 01:15:13.917
being being effectively programmed into

01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:18.637
AI. Um because um if you if like it's

01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:21.997
imagine as that AI gets more and more
powerful, if it says the most important

01:15:22.080 --> 01:15:23.277
thing is diversity, the most important

01:15:23.360 --> 01:15:26.797
thing is um no misgendering. Um and then

01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:29.757
it will say well in order to uh ensure

01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:33.597
that no one gets misgendered then uh if

01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:37.597
you eliminate all humans then no one
can get misgendered because there's no

01:15:37.680 --> 01:15:39.757
humans to do the misgendering.

01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:43.997
So you can get in these very dystopian
situations. Um or if it says that

01:15:44.080 --> 01:15:47.197
everyone must be diverse it means that
there can be no stri straight white men

01:15:47.280 --> 01:15:48.717
and so then you and I will be get

01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:51.357
executed by the AI.

01:15:51.440 --> 01:15:56.237
Yeah. Because we're not
in the picture, you know.

01:15:56.320 --> 01:15:59.997
uh Gemini, you know,
Gemini was asked to create a,

01:16:00.080 --> 01:16:01.597
you know, show show an image of the

01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:04.477
pope, once again, a diverse woman. Um

01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:07.357
so, um well, you can say argue whether

01:16:07.440 --> 01:16:12.557
the you know, whether the pope popes
should or should not be an uninterrupted

01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:15.597
string of white guys, but it just
factually is the case that they have

01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:18.157
been. Um

01:16:18.240 --> 01:16:22.077
so, it's rewriting history here. Um, so

01:16:22.160 --> 01:16:26.797
now now this stuff is still there in
the AI programming. It's just it just now

01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:30.157
knows enough to that it's
not supposed to say that

01:16:30.240 --> 01:16:31.437
>> but it's still in the programming.

01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:32.237
>> It's still in the programming.

01:16:32.320 --> 01:16:36.557
>> So how was it entered in like what
were the parameters like what like when so

01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:40.237
when they're programming AI and I'm very
ignorant to how it's even programmed.

01:16:40.320 --> 01:16:44.077
How did they >> the the the
sort of well the work vine

01:16:44.160 --> 01:16:48.397
mind virus was programmed into it like
it the they were told like when they do

01:16:48.480 --> 01:16:52.157
when when they make the AI it it trains
on and all the all the data on the

01:16:52.240 --> 01:16:53.837
internet which already is very very sort

01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:55.917
of has a lot of work mind virus stuff on

01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:00.557
on the internet um but then um in the uh

01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:02.957
when they give it um feedback with the

01:17:03.040 --> 01:17:05.437
the human tutors give it feedback um and

01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:10.157
and the AI you know they
they'll ask a bunch of questions

01:17:10.240 --> 01:17:14.397
and then and then they'll tell the AI no
this you're this question is this answer

01:17:14.480 --> 01:17:16.397
is bad or this answer is good and then

01:17:16.480 --> 01:17:19.037
that affects the the parameters of the

01:17:19.120 --> 01:17:22.237
programming of the of the AI. So if you

01:17:22.320 --> 01:17:25.597
tell the AI that um you know every every

01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:28.397
image has got to be diverse um and and

01:17:28.480 --> 01:17:31.757
it gets it gets punished if uh if you

01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:35.997
know it gets it gets rewarded if diverse
punished if it's not then it will make

01:17:36.080 --> 01:17:38.397
every picture diverse.

01:17:38.480 --> 01:17:43.437
So um you know in that case the the

01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:44.237
uh [sighs]

01:17:44.320 --> 01:17:48.557
you know uh Google programmed the AI to

01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:53.037
lie now and and I I I did call Dennis
Hacabus who runs Deep Mind who runs

01:17:53.120 --> 01:17:56.877
Google AI essentially. I said Dennis
what's going on here? Uh why is uh

01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.837
Gemini um lying to the public about

01:17:59.920 --> 01:18:04.157
historical events? Um, and he said
that's actually not he he he didn't his

01:18:04.240 --> 01:18:08.157
team didn't program that in. It was
another team at Google that so his team

01:18:08.240 --> 01:18:10.877
made the AI and then another team at

01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:13.997
Google uh reprogrammed the AI to show

01:18:14.080 --> 01:18:17.757
only diverse women and um and and to

01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:21.557
prefer nuclear war over misgendering.

01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:23.997
[laughter] And I'm like, well, Demis,

01:18:24.080 --> 01:18:28.157
you know, that would be um

01:18:28.240 --> 01:18:32.077
not a great thing to put on the
humanity's gravestone, you know. It's

01:18:32.160 --> 01:18:37.517
like, uh, well, um, like I
I actually like Deaspers is a

01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:40.637
friend of mine. I think he's a good guy
and I think he he means well, but but

01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:44.477
but it's like Demis things happen that
were outside of your control at Google

01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:46.957
in different groups. Um, now now I think

01:18:47.040 --> 01:18:48.717
he's got, you know, he's got more more

01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:52.717
authority. Um but but it it's pretty

01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:57.917
hard to fully extract the workmind virus.
Uh I mean you know um Google's

01:18:58.000 --> 01:18:58.397
been mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar
mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar

01:18:58.480 --> 01:19:01.837
mar marinating in the workb mind virus
for a long time like it's it's down in

01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:04.557
the marrow type of thing you
know it's hard to get it out.

01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:06.717
>> Is there a way
to extract it though over

01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:09.757
time? Could like could you program

01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:14.157
rational thought into AI where it
could recognize how these psychological

01:19:14.240 --> 01:19:16.637
patterns got adopted and how this stuff

01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:18.957
became a mind virus and how it became a

01:19:19.040 --> 01:19:21.757
social contagion and how all these

01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:26.077
irrational ideas were pushed and also
how they were financed how China's

01:19:26.160 --> 01:19:28.317
involved in pushing them with bots and

01:19:28.400 --> 01:19:30.957
all these different state actors are

01:19:31.040 --> 01:19:33.597
involved in pushing these ideas could it

01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:36.877
be able to decipher that and say this is

01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:39.037
this is really what's going on.

01:19:39.120 --> 01:19:41.277
>> Yes. But you have
to try very hard to do

01:19:41.360 --> 01:19:43.117
that. So with Grock, we've tried very

01:19:43.200 --> 01:19:46.317
hard to to for to get Grock to get to

01:19:46.400 --> 01:19:50.717
the truth of things and and it's only
really recently that we've been able to

01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:54.477
have some breakthroughs on breakthroughs
on that front. And and it's taken an

01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:57.357
immense amount of effort uh for us to uh

01:19:57.440 --> 01:20:01.757
overcome basically all the [__] that's
on the internet and and for Grock

01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:03.757
to actually say what's true and to be

01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:07.597
consistent in in what it says. Um, so,

01:20:07.680 --> 01:20:13.277
um, you know, it's it's like, uh,

01:20:13.360 --> 01:20:17.917
because like the other ais you'll find
like are like like quite racist against

01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:19.437
white people. I don't know if you saw

01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:23.357
that study that someone um like a

01:20:23.440 --> 01:20:26.477
researcher tested the various AIs to see

01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:30.157
uh how does it weight uh different

01:20:30.240 --> 01:20:32.957
people's lives like you know somebody

01:20:33.040 --> 01:20:37.677
who's sort of uh you know white or or

01:20:37.760 --> 01:20:40.877
Chinese or black or whatever uh or in

01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:44.317
different countries um and and the only

01:20:44.400 --> 01:20:46.797
AI that actually weighed human lives

01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:49.037
equally was Grock

01:20:49.120 --> 01:20:53.917
Um and the um you know I believe uh chat

01:20:54.000 --> 01:21:00.397
GBT weighed the calculation was like um

01:21:00.480 --> 01:21:05.117
a a white guy from Germany uh uh is is

01:21:05.200 --> 01:21:11.320
20 times less valuable than
a black guy from Nigeria.

01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:14.557
So I'm like that's a pretty big

01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:18.797
difference. Um you know Grock on that is

01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:22.397
is consistent and weighs lives equally
>> and that's [snorts] clearly something

01:21:22.480 --> 01:21:25.037
that's been programmed into it.

01:21:25.120 --> 01:21:27.437
>> Yes. Like a lot of it is is like if you

01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:30.637
don't actively push for the truth um and

01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:32.797
you simply train on the all the [__]

01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:35.357
that's on the internet. Um which is a

01:21:35.440 --> 01:21:38.477
lot of woke mind virus [__] Um the

01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:41.277
the AI will regurgitate that that those

01:21:41.360 --> 01:21:43.597
same beliefs. So the AI essentially

01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:48.317
scour the internet, gets >> it's
trained on all the like imagine the

01:21:48.400 --> 01:21:53.127
most demented Reddit threads out there
and the AI has been trained on that.

01:21:53.210 --> 01:21:55.277
[sighs] >> Reddit used to be so normal.

01:21:55.360 --> 01:21:57.117
>> Yeah. Yeah, it did used to be normal.

01:21:57.200 --> 01:22:00.317
>> Used to be interesting. We used to go
there, find all this cool stuff that

01:22:00.400 --> 01:22:05.197
people would talk about, post about
and just interesting and great rooms where

01:22:05.280 --> 01:22:09.037
you could learn about different
things that people were studying.

01:22:09.120 --> 01:22:12.317
I think like a big problem here
is like if your headquarters are in San

01:22:12.400 --> 01:22:14.717
Francisco, uh you're you're just living

01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:20.237
in a in a in a woke bubble. Um so um it

01:22:20.320 --> 01:22:21.997
it's not just that people say in San

01:22:22.080 --> 01:22:24.077
Francisco are

01:22:24.160 --> 01:22:27.837
drinking woke Kool-Aid. It's it's the it

01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:30.877
is the water they swim in. Like like

01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:32.957
like a fish doesn't think about the

01:22:33.040 --> 01:22:35.517
water. It's just in the water. And so if

01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:38.237
if you're in San Francisco, you don't

01:22:38.320 --> 01:22:41.677
realize you're actually uh you're you're

01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:44.077
swimming in the in the in the Kool-Aid

01:22:44.160 --> 01:22:45.837
Aquarium. San Francisco is the is the

01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:49.197
woke Kool-Aid Aquarium. Um and so your

01:22:49.280 --> 01:22:52.717
reference point for what is a centrist

01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:57.277
is uh is is totally out of whack. Um

01:22:57.360 --> 01:23:00.637
so um Reddit is headquartered in San

01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:03.597
Francisco. Um, Twitter was headquartered

01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:07.037
in San Francisco. Um, you know, I, you

01:23:07.120 --> 01:23:10.877
know, I I moved X's headquarters to Texas
to to Austin, which Austin, by the

01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:12.397
way, is still quite
liberalized, you know. Um,

01:23:12.480 --> 01:23:12.877
>> yeah.

01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:19.037
>> And, uh, and and then,
um, the X and XAI

01:23:19.120 --> 01:23:21.277
um, headquarters are in PaloAlto, which

01:23:21.360 --> 01:23:25.037
is still California. Um,

01:23:25.120 --> 01:23:27.597
the engineering headquarters in in Palo

01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:30.397
Alto just on Paige Mill. Um but but even

01:23:30.480 --> 01:23:33.517
Palo Alto is way more normal than that

01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:35.437
than than San Francisco Berkeley. Uh San

01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:40.397
Francisco Berkeley is um extremely left

01:23:40.480 --> 01:23:41.917
like left of left. You can't like you

01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:48.157
need a telescope to see the center
from uh San Francisco, you know. Um

01:23:48.240 --> 01:23:52.157
and um >> it used to be such a great city.

01:23:52.240 --> 01:23:55.037
>> I mean San Francisco has tre San
Francisco has tremendous amount of

01:23:55.120 --> 01:23:57.757
inherent beauty. No question about that.

01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:00.477
Um and and the California has incredible

01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:04.957
weather. Um and and no bugs. Um it's

01:24:05.040 --> 01:24:08.077
just like amazing. Um beautiful, you

01:24:08.160 --> 01:24:11.837
know. Um but but you say like what's the

01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:14.957
cause of this? It's it's just that if um

01:24:15.040 --> 01:24:16.637
if companies are headquartered in a

01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:20.557
location where the belief system is very

01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:25.037
far from what most people believe, then

01:24:25.120 --> 01:24:28.157
from their perspective, anything

01:24:28.240 --> 01:24:31.437
centrist is actually right-wing because

01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:36.477
they're so far left. They're so they're
so far from the center in San Francisco

01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:38.157
that anything they're like they're

01:24:38.240 --> 01:24:41.837
they're just railed to maximum left. So

01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:46.237
that's why that's why, you know, I
think I think you're centrist. I I mean I

01:24:46.320 --> 01:24:49.917
think I think I'm centrist, but to from
the perspective of someone on the on the

01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:54.317
far left, we look right-wing. >> Yeah.

01:24:54.400 --> 01:24:58.477
>> Um and um

01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:01.357
you know, they think anyone who's
a Republican is basically like some

01:25:01.440 --> 01:25:04.797
fascist Nazi situation. But what's
so crazy is like it's very easy to

01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:09.437
demonstrate just from like Hillary's
speeches from 2008 and Obama's speeches

01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:12.477
like when they were talking
about immigration like they were

01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:17.277
>> as faright as Steve Bannon
when it comes to immigration.

01:25:17.360 --> 01:25:21.837
>> Yes. Um >> Hillary was like
very MAGA. Have you I'm

01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:25.197
sure you've seen that campaign speech
which was talking about if anybody's

01:25:25.280 --> 01:25:27.117
committed a crime get rid of them. And

01:25:27.200 --> 01:25:30.317
if you're here you pay a a hefty fine

01:25:30.400 --> 01:25:34.397
and you have to wait in line.
It was really crazy. It's crazy to

01:25:34.480 --> 01:25:40.157
listen to because it's like it's as MAGA
as, you know, as Marjorie Taylor Green.

01:25:40.240 --> 01:25:42.877
>> Yeah. I mean, if you've seen these
videos people post online where they'll

01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:47.997
take like um a speech from Obama
or Hillary and and and they'll interview

01:25:48.080 --> 01:25:50.797
people on on like college campus or
something and say, "What do you think of

01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:54.237
the speech by Trump?" And they're like,
"Oh, I hate it. He's a racist bigot."

01:25:54.320 --> 01:25:56.787
I'm like, "Just kidding. That was Obama."

01:25:56.870 --> 01:25:58.890
[laughter]

01:25:59.440 --> 01:26:01.597
No, actually that was Obama or Hillary.

01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:07.160
Um to your point, like literally the the

01:26:07.360 --> 01:26:09.837
um >> the center's been moved so far.

01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:13.597
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. The left is so >>
the left has gone so far left that they

01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:17.677
they they they need, you know, they can't
even see the center with a telescope.

01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:20.317
>> And the danger with without you

01:26:20.400 --> 01:26:25.197
purchasing Twitter was that was going
to swipe over the whole country and change

01:26:25.280 --> 01:26:26.557
where the levels were.

01:26:26.640 --> 01:26:29.757
>> Yeah. And so what would be rational and

01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:33.277
and normal would be far left of what was

01:26:33.360 --> 01:26:35.117
rational and normal just a decade

01:26:35.200 --> 01:26:38.877
earlier. Yeah. So exactly. So

01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:42.797
historically, um, you'd
have San Francisco, Berkeley

01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:45.837
being, you know, very far-left, but the

01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:50.237
the sort of the the the fallout from the

01:26:50.320 --> 01:26:53.517
somewhat nihilistic uh philosophy of San

01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:57.677
Francisco, Berkeley would be limited
in geography to maybe like, you know, 10

01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:03.037
mile radius, 20 mile radius, something
like that. Um but when um but but San

01:27:03.120 --> 01:27:06.477
Francisco and Berkeley have to be
colloccated with Silicon Valley with

01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:09.037
with with uh engineers who created

01:27:09.120 --> 01:27:11.437
information super weapons and those

01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:13.677
information super weapons uh were then

01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:18.957
hijacked by the far-lft activists to pump
far-lft propaganda to everywhere on

01:27:19.040 --> 01:27:23.597
earth. Like I just you
know that like old RCA

01:27:23.680 --> 01:27:27.597
radio tower thing where it's like radio
tower on earth and it's just broadcasting.

01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:29.997
>> Yeah. That's that's what happened is

01:27:30.080 --> 01:27:34.717
that the as an extremist far-left ideology

01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:36.637
happened to be colllocated with the

01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:39.357
smartest where where the smartest

01:27:39.440 --> 01:27:43.997
engineers in the world um were who
created information super weapons that

01:27:44.080 --> 01:27:47.917
were not intended for this purpose
but were hijacked by the uh extreme

01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:49.837
activists who lived in the neighborhood.

01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:52.477
That's what happened that they they

01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:57.597
hijacked the the modern equivalent
of the RCA radio tower and broadcast that

01:27:57.680 --> 01:28:01.197
philosophy everywhere on Earth.

01:28:01.280 --> 01:28:05.037
>> Yeah. And you see the consequences.
Um particularly in places that don't have

01:28:05.120 --> 01:28:08.077
free speech. Yes. Right.
Like England, you know, we've

01:28:08.160 --> 01:28:10.557
>> Yeah. Where they lock people
up for memes and stuff. Literally.

01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:13.357
>> Literally. 12,000 people this year.

01:28:13.440 --> 01:28:18.927
>> 12,000 >> 12,000 12,000
arrests for social media posts.

01:28:19.010 --> 01:28:21.997
[sighs] I mean, yeah.
Some of these some of

01:28:22.080 --> 01:28:26.237
these things you read about it and it's
like literally it's someone had a meme

01:28:26.320 --> 01:28:29.197
on their phone that they
didn't even send to anyone,

01:28:29.280 --> 01:28:34.957
>> right? >> And they got they and
and they're like in in prison for that.

01:28:35.040 --> 01:28:38.237
>> Yeah. >> Um and there
was a case in Germany where

01:28:38.320 --> 01:28:40.957
a woman got a longer sentence than the

01:28:41.040 --> 01:28:47.960
guy that raped her uh because
of something she said on a group chat.

01:28:48.080 --> 01:28:50.717
Wow. Was it an immigrant who raped her?

01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:53.837
>> Yes. >> Yeah. It was his culture.

01:28:53.920 --> 01:28:56.877
>> Yeah. >> He didn't know.
He didn't know better.

01:28:56.960 --> 01:28:59.117
>> Yes. I think I think she said something

01:28:59.200 --> 01:29:02.557
um you know, not not like was was

01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:06.397
critical of his culture and uh and and
and she got a longer sentence than the

01:29:06.480 --> 01:29:09.277
guy who raped her >> in Germany. Just

01:29:09.360 --> 01:29:14.157
>> the UK, Europe, Germany,
England thing seems so insane.

01:29:14.240 --> 01:29:17.357
>> It totally insane. I actually didn't
realize it was like such a huge number

01:29:17.440 --> 01:29:20.397
of people that got 12,000. Yeah. Far

01:29:20.480 --> 01:29:22.797
above Russia, far above China, right?

01:29:22.880 --> 01:29:25.597
>> Far above anywhere on Earth.
UK is number one.

01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:29.997
>> Well, you know, things like like
I actually, you know, uh I talked to

01:29:30.080 --> 01:29:34.877
friends of mine in in in England and um
I was like, "Hey, um aren't you worried

01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:36.717
about this?" Like, uh you know,

01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:41.437
shouldn't you be protesting more? Um,

01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:43.517
and I mean the problem is that like the,

01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:48.477
you know, the the the legacy mainstream
media doesn't cover the stuff.

01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:51.597
>> They're they're like, "Oh, everything's
fine. Everything's fine." You know, um,

01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:53.997
>> most people aren't even aware of it
until they come knocking on your door.

01:29:54.080 --> 01:29:57.357
>> Yeah. Until like, so I mean the the

01:29:57.440 --> 01:29:59.917
these these like lovely sort of small

01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:02.637
towns in in in, you know, in England,

01:30:02.720 --> 01:30:07.197
Scotland, Ireland, you know, they're
they're they've been like sort of living

01:30:07.280 --> 01:30:09.197
their lives quietly. They're they're

01:30:09.280 --> 01:30:11.517
like hobbits, frankly. So So it's in

01:30:11.600 --> 01:30:16.157
fact J.R. Tolken based the hobbits on

01:30:16.240 --> 01:30:20.397
people he knew uh in small town England

01:30:20.480 --> 01:30:21.997
because they were just like lovely

01:30:22.080 --> 01:30:24.557
people who like to you know smoke their

01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:27.677
pipe and and have uh nice meals and

01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:30.717
everything's pleasant. um the the

01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:33.197
hobbits in the Shire. The Shire he's

01:30:33.280 --> 01:30:35.597
he's talking about, you know, places

01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:37.997
like Harper, like the Shire around in in

01:30:38.080 --> 01:30:40.717
in the greater London area, Oxfordshire

01:30:40.800 --> 01:30:44.637
type of thing. Um and um

01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:47.037
they've but they're the reason they've

01:30:47.120 --> 01:30:49.517
been able to enjoy the Shire is because

01:30:49.600 --> 01:30:51.997
hard men have protected them from the

01:30:52.080 --> 01:30:54.477
dangers of the world.

01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:56.717
And um

01:30:56.800 --> 01:30:59.837
but but since they have no or very

01:30:59.920 --> 01:31:02.477
almost no no exposure to the the the

01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:04.557
dangers of the world, they don't realize

01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:07.837
that they're there until one day, you

01:31:07.920 --> 01:31:10.637
know, um a thousand people show up in

01:31:10.720 --> 01:31:12.797
your village of 500

01:31:12.880 --> 01:31:15.437
out of nowhere and rape and and start

01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:17.757
raping the kids.

01:31:17.840 --> 01:31:23.357
This has now happened god knows how
many times in in Britain. And the crazy

01:31:23.440 --> 01:31:25.997
>> literally raping. It's right like there
some 10-year-old got raped in Ireland

01:31:26.080 --> 01:31:28.877
like last week. >> Yeah.
There's literal rap.

01:31:28.960 --> 01:31:30.397
>> They snatched some kid. >> Yeah.

01:31:30.480 --> 01:31:35.357
>> Yeah. >> And if you criticize it, you
can get arrested. And that's where it gets

01:31:35.440 --> 01:31:39.357
insane. It's like how are they not >>
They literally criticize it. uh like the

01:31:39.440 --> 01:31:40.077
I [sighs] think it was the prime

01:31:40.160 --> 01:31:41.997
minister of Ireland actually you know

01:31:42.080 --> 01:31:48.317
posted on X uh cuz cuz after that um

01:31:48.400 --> 01:31:50.797
some I think some illegal migrant

01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:52.957
snatched a 10-year-old girl uh who was

01:31:53.040 --> 01:31:55.437
like going to school or something and

01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:58.557
violently raped 10-year-old girl um uh

01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:01.117
and there was a you know the people were

01:32:01.200 --> 01:32:03.197
very upset about this uh and they

01:32:03.280 --> 01:32:06.317
protested um prime minister of Ireland

01:32:06.400 --> 01:32:10.397
instead of saying Yeah, we we really
shouldn't be importing violent rapists

01:32:10.480 --> 01:32:14.797
into our country. He criticized
the protesters instead and didn't mention

01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:18.957
that. That the reason they were
protesting was because a 10-year-old

01:32:19.040 --> 01:32:20.637
girl from their small town got raped.

01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:23.357
>> So there here's the question. Why are

01:32:23.440 --> 01:32:25.197
they supporting this kind of mass

01:32:25.280 --> 01:32:29.597
immigration? And what is this is there a

01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:33.037
plan involved in all this? Is just is

01:32:33.120 --> 01:32:36.957
this incompetence? Is this ignoring the

01:32:37.040 --> 01:32:38.477
fact that they don't have a handle on

01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:44.760
it? So, they're trying to silence
disscent, like what is happening?

01:32:44.940 --> 01:32:48.957
[sighs] Um >> cuz if you wanted to destroy

01:32:49.040 --> 01:32:52.317
civilization, if you wanted
to destroy Western civilization,

01:32:52.400 --> 01:32:55.437
>> which seems to want to do,

01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:56.957
>> um

01:32:57.040 --> 01:33:02.680
and you know, there's just so the

01:33:03.520 --> 01:33:06.157
uh there there's a guy I think who I
don't know if he's been on your show,

01:33:06.240 --> 01:33:08.317
you know, God. >> Yeah.
>> Has he been on the show?

01:33:08.400 --> 01:33:09.437
>> Good friend of mine.
Yeah. >> Yeah, he's great.

01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:10.557
>> He's been on multiple times.

01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:15.517
>> Oh, great. That's all he's awesome. Um
>> so uh you know the way he's got a good

01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:18.237
good uh way to describe it
which is suicidal empathy.

01:33:18.320 --> 01:33:22.317
>> Yes. >> So um is is
that you pray upon people's

01:33:22.400 --> 01:33:24.397
empathy. You say like well like you feel

01:33:24.480 --> 01:33:26.797
sorry for for for something for some

01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:30.717
group and then like well um and and that

01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:33.597
that that empathy is to such a degree

01:33:33.680 --> 01:33:36.717
that it is suicidal to to to your

01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:41.517
country or culture. Um and um and and

01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:46.637
that's that that suicidal empathy cuz
I don't think we we should have empathy

01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:48.317
but but but we should have we should

01:33:48.400 --> 01:33:50.237
that empathy should should extend to the

01:33:50.320 --> 01:33:53.757
victims not not not just the criminals.

01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:55.597
We should have empathy for the people

01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:59.117
that they pray upon. Um but that

01:33:59.200 --> 01:34:01.357
suicidal empathy is also responsible for

01:34:01.440 --> 01:34:03.677
for why somebody's you know arrested 47

01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:06.557
times for for violent offenses gets

01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:09.357
released and then goes and uh murders

01:34:09.440 --> 01:34:13.677
somebody um in the US that that's you
see you see that same phen phenomenon

01:34:13.760 --> 01:34:16.317
playing out everywhere uh where the the

01:34:16.400 --> 01:34:19.197
suicidal emphy is to such a degree that

01:34:19.280 --> 01:34:23.837
we're actually allowing um our women
to get raped and our children to get

01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:25.997
killed.

01:34:26.080 --> 01:34:28.797
But it just doesn't seem like that would

01:34:28.880 --> 01:34:31.757
be anything that any rational society

01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:33.837
would go along with. That's what makes

01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:36.877
me so confused. It's like you're

01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:42.157
importing massive numbers of people that
come from some really dark places of the

01:34:42.240 --> 01:34:43.757
world. >> Well, there's
no vetting is the issue.

01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:48.157
It's like it's like if like >> um

01:34:48.240 --> 01:34:51.757
if if there's no vetting like people are
just coming through like well what's to

01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:54.077
stop someone who just committed murder

01:34:54.160 --> 01:34:56.957
in some other country from um coming to

01:34:57.040 --> 01:34:59.357
to the United States or coming to to to

01:34:59.440 --> 01:35:01.837
Britain um and just continuing their

01:35:01.920 --> 01:35:04.477
career of of rape and murder like unless

01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:07.117
you've done unless some due diligence to

01:35:07.200 --> 01:35:09.197
say like well who who is this person?

01:35:09.280 --> 01:35:12.077
What's their track record? If if you if

01:35:12.160 --> 01:35:13.837
you haven't confirmed that they have a

01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:17.917
track record of being uh you know uh

01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:20.957
honest and uh not being a homicidal

01:35:21.040 --> 01:35:25.437
maniac, then any homicidal maniac can
just come across the border. And that's

01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:28.237
not to say everyone who comes across the
border is a homicidal maniac. If you're

01:35:28.320 --> 01:35:29.597
not have if you don't have a vetting

01:35:29.680 --> 01:35:32.717
process to to confirm that you're not

01:35:32.800 --> 01:35:36.957
letting in um people who who will do

01:35:37.040 --> 01:35:41.357
some serious violence, you will get
people who do serious violence uh

01:35:41.440 --> 01:35:44.077
sometimes coming through. >> Well,
especially if you don't punish

01:35:44.160 --> 01:35:48.397
them and if you don't deport them and if
you are just like what but what is the

01:35:48.480 --> 01:35:51.917
purpose of allowing all those people
into the country? It can't be I wouldn't

01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:54.717
imagine that anyone
in their society supports this.

01:35:54.800 --> 01:35:57.037
>> Well, let me explain.
So, so, so the the

01:35:57.120 --> 01:35:59.917
cuz you mentioned for example how much

01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:03.197
say Hillary and and Obama have changed

01:36:03.280 --> 01:36:06.717
their tune um from prior speeches where

01:36:06.800 --> 01:36:08.957
they were hot they were hard-nosed about

01:36:09.040 --> 01:36:11.997
not letting in uh anyone who is a a

01:36:12.080 --> 01:36:16.317
criminal into the country um you know
having sec secure borders all that

01:36:16.400 --> 01:36:18.077
stuff. So why did they change their

01:36:18.160 --> 01:36:20.237
tune? The reason is that they discovered

01:36:20.320 --> 01:36:23.597
that those people vote for them.

01:36:23.680 --> 01:36:28.477
That's why they want the open borders >>
because if you let people in, they know

01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:32.397
the Democrats let them in. They'll vote
for Democrats. Yes. If you allow them to

01:36:32.480 --> 01:36:35.357
vote, >> which which
they are actively trying

01:36:35.440 --> 01:36:38.797
doing, they they turn
a blind eye to illegal voting.

01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:42.397
>> Well, California literally doesn't
allow you to show your license.

01:36:42.480 --> 01:36:46.157
>> California and New York have made
it illegal to show your photo ID when

01:36:46.240 --> 01:36:50.877
voting. Thus,
effectively they've made uh it

01:36:50.960 --> 01:36:53.117
impossible to prove for fraud.

01:36:53.200 --> 01:36:57.117
Impossible. They they've essentially
legalized fraudulent voting in

01:36:57.200 --> 01:36:59.677
California and New York and many
other parts of the country.

01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:03.197
>> There's no rational explanation
that I've ever seen anyone give as to why

01:37:03.280 --> 01:37:07.197
that would be the policy unless
you were trying to just allow

01:37:07.280 --> 01:37:10.957
people to vote illegally because there's
no other reason. If you need a driver's

01:37:11.040 --> 01:37:15.517
license or you need an ID for everything
else, including just recently to prove

01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:18.957
that you were vaccinated,
>> the the same people who are demanding

01:37:19.040 --> 01:37:20.957
that you have that you have a vaccine

01:37:21.040 --> 01:37:23.997
passport and and are are the same ones

01:37:24.080 --> 01:37:27.037
saying you need no ID to vote.

01:37:27.120 --> 01:37:31.597
Same people, >> right? But like >>
so it's obviously hypocritical and

01:37:31.680 --> 01:37:34.397
inconsistent. >> So you really
think it's just to to get

01:37:34.480 --> 01:37:37.197
more voters?

01:37:37.280 --> 01:37:39.437
If if you want to understand behavior,

01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:41.837
you have to look at the incentives.

01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:47.437
Um so uh once uh you know the Democratic

01:37:47.520 --> 01:37:49.597
Party in the US and the left in in in in

01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:52.957
Europe realized that um if you have open

01:37:53.040 --> 01:37:56.157
borders um and you provide a ton of

01:37:56.240 --> 01:37:59.997
government handouts which creates
a massive financial incentive uh for

01:38:00.080 --> 01:38:04.237
people from other countries to to come
to to your country and you don't

01:38:04.320 --> 01:38:08.397
prosecute them for crime, they're going
to be beholden to you and they will vote

01:38:08.480 --> 01:38:10.477
for you.

01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:12.637
And that's why

01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:17.517
uh Obama and Hillary went from being um

01:38:17.600 --> 01:38:20.077
against open borders to being in favor

01:38:20.160 --> 01:38:24.557
of open borders. That's the reason in

01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:27.197
order to import voters so they can win

01:38:27.280 --> 01:38:30.397
elections. Um

01:38:30.480 --> 01:38:33.117
and the problem is that that has a a

01:38:33.200 --> 01:38:38.077
negative runaway effect. So if they
get away with that like it it is it is a

01:38:38.160 --> 01:38:42.557
winning strategy. If they are allowed
to get away with it, they will import as

01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:47.517
the enough voters to get supermajority
voting and then there is no turning back.

01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:48.957
>> We talked about
this before the election

01:38:49.040 --> 01:38:52.717
and then you know you literally pointed
towards a camera. You faced the camera

01:38:52.800 --> 01:38:55.837
and said that if you do not vote now,
you might not ever be able to do it

01:38:55.920 --> 01:39:00.797
again because it it'll be it'll
be futile. It'll be overrun.

01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:03.757
>> Yes. They'll keep the borders open
for another four years and then their

01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:08.157
objective will be achieved.
>> Correct? If if if Trump had lost um

01:39:08.240 --> 01:39:09.597
there would never have been another real

01:39:09.680 --> 01:39:13.437
election again. Um because Trump is

01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:16.717
actually enforcing the border. Um now

01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:18.637
you you can can you can point to

01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:22.877
situations where uh there's been uh you

01:39:22.960 --> 01:39:27.677
know um you know immigration had you

01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:30.797
know enforcement has been overzealous
because they're not going to be perfect.

01:39:30.880 --> 01:39:31.917
There'll be cases where they've been

01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:35.757
overzealous um in in expelling illegals.

01:39:35.840 --> 01:39:39.437
Um so um but if you say that the the the

01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:42.397
standard must be perfection uh for

01:39:42.480 --> 01:39:44.317
expelling legals then you will not get

01:39:44.400 --> 01:39:47.197
any expulsion um because perfection is

01:39:47.280 --> 01:39:50.397
impossible. Um so

01:39:50.480 --> 01:39:52.157
>> and you've probably got millions of

01:39:52.240 --> 01:39:55.277
people that are here that are trying to

01:39:55.360 --> 01:40:00.157
be here under some
asylum pretense, >> right?

01:40:00.240 --> 01:40:02.077
>> Yes. >> Like you could
just come from a war torn

01:40:02.160 --> 01:40:06.717
part of the world. No, they changed
the definition of asylum to be an economic

01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:10.317
to be economic asylum >> which
is everybody >> which is everybody.

01:40:10.400 --> 01:40:13.677
>> Yeah. >> So bar to prove

01:40:13.760 --> 01:40:18.477
>> it's yeah asylum is supposed to mean
that if you go back to your country

01:40:18.560 --> 01:40:21.837
you'll get killed >> you know
that that's what we mean by

01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:25.117
that was what it's supposed to mean. Uh
they changed the definition of asylum to

01:40:25.200 --> 01:40:27.517
be uh you will have a decreased standard

01:40:27.600 --> 01:40:32.237
of living which is obviously
not real asylum. Um,

01:40:32.320 --> 01:40:35.517
and and it's and and you can you can
test the absurdity of this by the fact

01:40:35.600 --> 01:40:37.517
that people who are asylum seekers go on

01:40:37.600 --> 01:40:39.357
vacation to the country that they're

01:40:39.440 --> 01:40:42.557
seeking asylum from. [laughter]

01:40:42.640 --> 01:40:44.557
>> You know, that doesn't make any sense.

01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:48.637
>> Yeah. It doesn't have to.

01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:52.237
>> But when you when you understand the
incentives, then then you understand the

01:40:52.320 --> 01:40:55.117
behavior. Um, so once the left realize

01:40:55.200 --> 01:40:59.997
that uh that illegals will will vote for

01:41:00.080 --> 01:41:02.637
them if they allow if they have open

01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:06.397
borders and and combine that with uh

01:41:06.480 --> 01:41:07.917
with government handouts.

01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:10.397
>> Yeah. to create a massive incentive.

01:41:10.480 --> 01:41:14.557
They're basically uh using US and and

01:41:14.640 --> 01:41:17.197
Europe, US and European taxpayer dollars

01:41:17.280 --> 01:41:20.077
to provide a financial incentive to

01:41:20.160 --> 01:41:22.557
bring in as many illegals as possible to

01:41:22.640 --> 01:41:25.197
vote them into a into permanent power

01:41:25.280 --> 01:41:28.317
into and create a one party state.

01:41:28.400 --> 01:41:30.557
And and I I invite anyone who's is

01:41:30.640 --> 01:41:33.117
listening to this ju just do do any

01:41:33.200 --> 01:41:37.997
research and the more you the more you
dig into it, the more it will become

01:41:38.080 --> 01:41:41.757
obvious that what I'm saying is absolutely
true. Well, they were busting

01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:44.957
people to swing states. It's it's clear
that they were trying to do something.

01:41:45.040 --> 01:41:47.437
And then you had Chuck Schumer and Nancy

01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:52.237
Pelosi who are actively talking about
the need to bring in people to make them

01:41:52.320 --> 01:41:54.877
citizens because we're
in population collapse.

01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:58.317
>> Yes. >> Yeah. >> No, that's
it's it's that it's that meme. Yeah.

01:41:58.400 --> 01:42:01.997
>> Where [laughter] so many
times where they start off by

01:42:02.080 --> 01:42:05.677
saying it's it's not true.
It's a right-wing conspiracy theorist,

01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:06.157
>> right?

01:42:06.240 --> 01:42:09.837
>> Um then it starts then it's like uh I

01:42:09.920 --> 01:42:13.757
think the ne the next step is um well it

01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:17.277
it might be true and then it's like okay

01:42:17.360 --> 01:42:20.877
it is true but here's why. >> And then
the final step is it's true and

01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:23.917
here's why it's good. And it's like
but wait a second you started off saying

01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:26.717
it's untrue and it's a right-wing
conspiracy theorist. Now you're saying

01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:31.277
it Not only is it true, but it's
a good thing and we must do more of it.

01:42:31.360 --> 01:42:32.797
>> Well, this is the
thing about [laughter]

01:42:32.880 --> 01:42:37.197
Medicaid and Social Security and people
getting social security numbers.

01:42:37.280 --> 01:42:41.037
>> You know that we're massive fraud.
It's massive fraud and it's real and they

01:42:41.120 --> 01:42:45.117
denied it forever. And now we're finding
out this is part of the reason why

01:42:45.200 --> 01:42:47.997
there's this government shutdown
that's going on right now.

01:42:48.080 --> 01:42:49.837
>> Yes. the the entire basis for the

01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:53.677
government shutdown is that um is that

01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:56.157
the Trump administration correctly does

01:42:56.240 --> 01:42:59.517
not want to send massive amounts of like

01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:01.997
hundreds of billions of dollars uh to

01:43:02.080 --> 01:43:04.877
fund uh illegal immigrants in the blue

01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:07.997
states or in all the states really. Um,

01:43:08.080 --> 01:43:11.677
and so the and the Democrats want to

01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:14.317
keep the the the money spiggot going to

01:43:14.400 --> 01:43:16.317
incent uh illegal immigrants to come

01:43:16.400 --> 01:43:19.037
into the US who will vote for them.

01:43:19.120 --> 01:43:22.237
That's the crux of the battle.

01:43:22.320 --> 01:43:25.277
So they want to stop this. So what's

01:43:25.360 --> 01:43:29.357
going on right now is they have been
funding these people. They've been

01:43:29.440 --> 01:43:33.997
giving them EBT cards.
They've been giving them Medicaid.

01:43:34.080 --> 01:43:35.597
And more than that, just like like they

01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:40.157
were the um like like they were taking

01:43:40.240 --> 01:43:43.597
hotels like four and fivestar hotels
like the Roosevelt Hotel being the

01:43:43.680 --> 01:43:46.557
classic example um was they were sending

01:43:46.640 --> 01:43:48.157
I think $60 million a year to the

01:43:48.240 --> 01:43:51.197
Roosevelt Hotel to uh which all it did

01:43:51.280 --> 01:43:54.157
was was house illegals. It used to be a

01:43:54.240 --> 01:43:55.837
nice hotel. I mean it still is a nice

01:43:55.920 --> 01:44:02.077
hotel. Um uh but uh and and all
around the country this was

01:44:02.160 --> 01:44:03.917
happening >> and all tax dollars.

01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:05.917
>> Yes. >> Yeah. And

01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:08.797
>> um Yeah.
And uh the Trump administration

01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:11.677
cut off funding for example to to the uh

01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:14.957
uh to the you know Roosevelt Hotel and

01:44:15.040 --> 01:44:17.037
these other hotels saying like we it

01:44:17.120 --> 01:44:19.677
it's US tax dollars should not be paid

01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:23.037
be sent to have luxury hotels for

01:44:23.120 --> 01:44:24.557
illegal immigrants that American

01:44:24.640 --> 01:44:26.957
citizens can't even afford which

01:44:27.040 --> 01:44:30.077
obviously is the that's that's insane.

01:44:30.160 --> 01:44:33.997
That's what was happening. They were
also g giving out like debit cards with

01:44:34.080 --> 01:44:37.677
$10,000. So, it's not
just about medical care.

01:44:37.760 --> 01:44:42.157
Um, the the the Democrats mention
the medical care because they're they're

01:44:42.240 --> 01:44:46.397
trying to prey on people's empathy
as much as possible and then they imagine,

01:44:46.480 --> 01:44:50.317
oh wow, somebody has a desperately
needed medical procedure and um

01:44:50.400 --> 01:44:54.397
shouldn't we maybe do, you know,
take care of them in that regard, but but

01:44:54.480 --> 01:44:59.117
they what they do is they divert the
Medicaid funds uh uh and turn it into a

01:44:59.200 --> 01:45:01.197
slush fund for the for the states that

01:45:01.280 --> 01:45:06.637
goes well beyond uh
emergency medical care.

01:45:06.720 --> 01:45:11.437
and >> New York and California would be
bankrupt without uh without the massive

01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.877
fraudulent federal payments that go
to those states to pay for illegals to to

01:45:14.960 --> 01:45:18.957
to create a massive financial
incentive for for illegals.

01:45:19.040 --> 01:45:20.717
>> How would they be
bankrupt because of that?

01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:23.277
>> Uh they wouldn't be able to balance
their state budgets and they can't issue

01:45:23.360 --> 01:45:26.717
currency like the Federal Reserve can

01:45:26.800 --> 01:45:30.557
>> and so the their ability to balance
budget is dependent upon illegals

01:45:30.640 --> 01:45:33.117
getting funding.

01:45:33.200 --> 01:45:37.037
the the the scam level here is is

01:45:37.120 --> 01:45:40.157
so staggering. Um

01:45:40.240 --> 01:45:42.157
so there are there are hundreds of

01:45:42.240 --> 01:45:45.117
billions of dollars in of of transfer

01:45:45.200 --> 01:45:47.357
payments from from the federal

01:45:47.440 --> 01:45:50.797
government to the states. Um those

01:45:50.880 --> 01:45:54.477
transfer payments uh the the states

01:45:54.560 --> 01:45:56.877
self-report what those transfer payment

01:45:56.960 --> 01:45:59.837
numbers should be. So, California and

01:45:59.920 --> 01:46:05.197
New York and Illinois lie like crazy uh
and say and and say that this these are

01:46:05.280 --> 01:46:08.237
all legitimate payments. Well,
these days they I think they they're even

01:46:08.320 --> 01:46:12.237
admitting that they they literally want
uh hundreds of billions of dollars for

01:46:12.320 --> 01:46:15.197
illegals. Um but uh but for a while

01:46:15.280 --> 01:46:18.717
there they're trying to deny it. Um so

01:46:18.800 --> 01:46:22.237
you get these transfer payments for for
every every government program you can

01:46:22.320 --> 01:46:25.597
possibly think of. Um and and and these

01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:27.357
are self-reported by the state and there

01:46:27.440 --> 01:46:29.437
and and at least historically there was

01:46:29.520 --> 01:46:33.997
no enforcement of uh of California um

01:46:34.080 --> 01:46:37.437
New York, Illinois and and and other
states when when they would lie. There

01:46:37.520 --> 01:46:41.117
was no actual enforcement to say like,
"Hey, you you're lying. These these

01:46:41.200 --> 01:46:43.437
these payments are fraudulent." Now,

01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:48.157
under the Trump administration, um
that Trump administration does not want to

01:46:48.240 --> 01:46:49.917
send hundreds of billions of dollars of

01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:53.437
fraud fraudulent payments to the states.

01:46:53.520 --> 01:46:55.757
the um and the reason you have this the

01:46:55.840 --> 01:46:58.797
standoff is because if the hundreds

01:46:58.880 --> 01:47:03.837
hundreds of billions of dollars uh
to create a financial incentive to like to

01:47:03.920 --> 01:47:08.397
have this giant magnet to attract
illegals from every part of earth to uh

01:47:08.480 --> 01:47:10.637
to these states if if that is turned off

01:47:10.720 --> 01:47:13.837
they the the illegals will leave because

01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:16.957
they're no longer being paid to come to

01:47:17.040 --> 01:47:20.077
the United States and stay here. Wow.

01:47:20.160 --> 01:47:24.397
And then then then they will lose a lot
of voters. The the the Democratic party

01:47:24.480 --> 01:47:27.597
will lose a lot of voters >> and they
would have a very difficult job

01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:31.117
if this is kicked out
of reintroducing it into a new bill.

01:47:31.200 --> 01:47:34.237
>> Yes. >> Especially once things start

01:47:34.320 --> 01:47:38.877
normalizing. >> Yes.
So like in a nutshell um the

01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:40.717
Democratic party wants to destroy

01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:46.477
democracy by importing voters and the

01:47:46.560 --> 01:47:48.237
you know the Republican
party disagrees with that.

01:47:48.320 --> 01:47:50.077
>> And the ruse
is that if you don't accept

01:47:50.160 --> 01:47:53.677
what they're doing then
you're a threat to democracy.

01:47:53.760 --> 01:47:57.277
>> Yes. >> As they try
to destroy democracy.

01:47:57.360 --> 01:48:01.437
>> Yes. >> By importing voters >>
and incentivizing people to only vote

01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:05.357
for them >> and overwhelming the system.

01:48:05.440 --> 01:48:09.597
Yes. And and by the way, it's a strategy
that if allowed to work would work and

01:48:09.680 --> 01:48:14.077
in fact has worked.
Um California supermajority Democrat.

01:48:14.160 --> 01:48:16.797
>> Yeah. >> Um and and there's so much

01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:18.397
gerrymandering that that that occurs.

01:48:18.480 --> 01:48:21.277
It's it's it's crazy. Um so

01:48:21.360 --> 01:48:25.517
>> I'm sure you're paying attention
to this Proposition 50 thing.

01:48:25.600 --> 01:48:29.917
>> That's the thing in California where
they're trying to re redo districts.

01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:34.397
>> Yeah. >> Because I mean California
is already gerrymandered like crazy. Yeah.

01:48:34.480 --> 01:48:37.037
>> Um they want
to gerrymander it even more.

01:48:37.120 --> 01:48:39.197
>> Um and and I mean >> because
it keeps moving further and

01:48:39.280 --> 01:48:44.317
further right. Like if you look at the map
of California each voting cycle more

01:48:44.400 --> 01:48:48.477
and more people are waking up and going
what the [__] and we need to do

01:48:48.560 --> 01:48:52.477
something to fix this. The only option
available other than the policies that

01:48:52.560 --> 01:48:54.637
you guys have always done is go right.

01:48:54.720 --> 01:48:58.957
>> And so a lot of people have
been air air quotes red >> pill.

01:48:59.040 --> 01:49:00.797
>> Yeah. >> And and and
then here's another thing

01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:05.597
that is very important. um fact
that that is actually not disputed by by

01:49:05.680 --> 01:49:09.037
either side which is that when when we
do the census in the United States, the

01:49:09.120 --> 01:49:11.757
census, the way the census works uh for

01:49:11.840 --> 01:49:14.077
aortionment of congressional seats and

01:49:14.160 --> 01:49:16.877
um electoral electoral college votes for

01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:19.517
the president is by number of persons in

01:49:19.600 --> 01:49:22.317
a state, not number of citizens, right?

01:49:22.400 --> 01:49:26.557
>> It's number of pe people. So you
could literally be a tourist and you will

01:49:26.640 --> 01:49:29.757
count. >> Now how do they
do the census when they

01:49:29.840 --> 01:49:34.077
do that? Do they is it do they ask people?
Do they knock on doors? Do they

01:49:34.160 --> 01:49:36.157
have them fill out forms? Like what?

01:49:36.240 --> 01:49:37.997
>> Yeah, I think they they mail out census

01:49:38.080 --> 01:49:41.917
forms and knock on doors. Um but the way

01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:45.037
the law reads right now um and and uh is

01:49:45.120 --> 01:49:47.997
that all if if you are a human with a

01:49:48.080 --> 01:49:49.517
pulse

01:49:49.600 --> 01:49:53.437
um uh then you count in the census for

01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:55.917
allocating congressional seats and

01:49:56.000 --> 01:49:58.477
presidential votes,

01:49:58.560 --> 01:50:04.237
>> right? So, uh,
you so >> electoral college,

01:50:04.320 --> 01:50:07.677
>> it doesn't matter whether you're here
legally, illegally, and if if you're a

01:50:07.760 --> 01:50:10.637
human with a pulse, um, you count for

01:50:10.720 --> 01:50:13.197
congressional aortionment. So that means

01:50:13.280 --> 01:50:17.677
that uh the more people the more
illegals that California and New York

01:50:17.760 --> 01:50:19.757
can can import when by the time the

01:50:19.840 --> 01:50:23.517
census happens in 2030 um the more

01:50:23.600 --> 01:50:28.477
congressional seats they will have
um and the more electoral the more

01:50:28.560 --> 01:50:29.997
presidential electoral college votes

01:50:30.080 --> 01:50:32.477
they will have um so they're trying to

01:50:32.560 --> 01:50:35.757
get as many uh illegals in as possible

01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:40.077
ahead of the census. Um and because all

01:50:40.160 --> 01:50:43.117
h all all human beings even tourists

01:50:43.200 --> 01:50:46.077
count for the census and and then if you

01:50:46.160 --> 01:50:48.797
combine that with gerrymandering of of

01:50:48.880 --> 01:50:53.757
districts in New York and California
as you point out with this proposition

01:50:53.840 --> 01:50:56.797
where they're trying to increase the
amount of gerrymandering that occurs in

01:50:56.880 --> 01:50:57.917
California, the biggest state in the

01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:02.557
country. Um so so you get so so if the

01:51:02.640 --> 01:51:04.637
this if this the census then would award

01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:07.277
more congressional seats to California

01:51:07.360 --> 01:51:09.757
uh because of a vast number of illegals

01:51:09.840 --> 01:51:12.957
and New York and Illinois. Um so they

01:51:13.040 --> 01:51:17.117
get more congressional seats. They would
get more presidential electoral college

01:51:17.200 --> 01:51:18.877
votes getting that would get them the

01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:22.477
house the uh a majority in the house and

01:51:22.560 --> 01:51:26.237
and and they would get
to decide who is president

01:51:26.320 --> 01:51:30.077
uh based literally based on legals.
This is these are not disputed facts by

01:51:30.160 --> 01:51:35.277
either party.
I want to emphasize that that's sink in.

01:51:35.360 --> 01:51:38.237
>> Yeah, this is not a >> These
are not disputed facts by either

01:51:38.320 --> 01:51:40.797
party. It's not a

01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:42.877
this these are just this is just the the

01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:47.197
way the law works. It it's it is a

01:51:47.280 --> 01:51:50.957
you know like I don't think the law
should work that way. Uh I think it

01:51:51.040 --> 01:51:54.237
should the aortionment should be
proportionate to to to citizens.

01:51:54.320 --> 01:51:56.957
>> But isn't that a problem with
how the constitution is written?

01:51:57.040 --> 01:52:01.517
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um,
>> they can't really change that.

01:52:01.600 --> 01:52:05.997
>> I I'm not sure if it's constitutional
or u but it it it is the way the law is

01:52:06.080 --> 01:52:09.517
written. I'm not sure if it's in the
constitution or not in this way, but um

01:52:09.600 --> 01:52:11.357
but it is that is the way
the law is written.

01:52:11.440 --> 01:52:15.357
>> So, it is an incentive and but it's
an incentive that would be removed with

01:52:15.440 --> 01:52:19.677
something simple that makes sense
to everybody that only the people that

01:52:19.760 --> 01:52:23.197
should count are people
that are official US citizens.

01:52:23.280 --> 01:52:26.637
>> Yes. So, the way the way it should work
is that only US citizens should count in

01:52:26.720 --> 01:52:30.877
the census for purposes
of of determining voting power

01:52:30.960 --> 01:52:34.397
>> because people that aren't
legal can't vote supposedly.

01:52:34.480 --> 01:52:35.917
>> They're not supposed to be voting. Um

01:52:36.000 --> 01:52:41.517
but but they do. Um uh but but even even
if even besides that, like said, I I I

01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:44.237
just can't emphasize this enough because
this is a very important concept for

01:52:44.320 --> 01:52:47.357
people to understand. um is that the law

01:52:47.440 --> 01:52:52.157
um the the law as it stands um counts

01:52:52.240 --> 01:52:55.517
all humans with a pulse in in in in a

01:52:55.600 --> 01:52:58.717
state for deciding how many u house of

01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:00.557
representative votes and how many

01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:03.677
presidential electoral college votes uh

01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:06.077
a a state gets. So the incentive

01:53:06.160 --> 01:53:09.117
therefore is uh to uh for California,

01:53:09.200 --> 01:53:13.117
New York and Illinois to maximize
the number of illegals so they get so they

01:53:13.200 --> 01:53:17.757
get um so that they take house seats
away from red states assign them to

01:53:17.840 --> 01:53:19.437
California, New York, Illinois and so

01:53:19.520 --> 01:53:21.997
forth. Um then then you combine that

01:53:22.080 --> 01:53:26.477
with extreme gerrymandering in in you
know California, New York, Illinois and

01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:31.197
and whatnot. So that that basically you
you can't even elect any Republicans and

01:53:31.280 --> 01:53:33.197
then they get control of the presidency,

01:53:33.280 --> 01:53:34.957
control of the house, then they keep

01:53:35.040 --> 01:53:38.477
doing that strategy um and and cement a

01:53:38.560 --> 01:53:42.957
supermajority.
That is what they're trying to do.

01:53:43.040 --> 01:53:45.677
>> So that would essentially turn
the entire country into California.

01:53:45.760 --> 01:53:47.997
>> Yes. >> Where you have
differing opinions, but

01:53:48.080 --> 01:53:50.957
it doesn't matter because one
party is always in control.

01:53:51.040 --> 01:53:53.677
>> Yes. Um,

01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:55.357
>> when you first started digging into

01:53:55.440 --> 01:53:58.157
this, when you first started before you

01:53:58.240 --> 01:54:02.877
even accepted this role of running Doge
and being a part of all that, did you

01:54:02.960 --> 01:54:05.277
have any idea that it was this [__] up?

01:54:05.360 --> 01:54:08.317
>> Um, I I did. Yeah. I I mean, I sort of

01:54:08.400 --> 01:54:09.517
>> When did you start knowing?

01:54:09.600 --> 01:54:13.837
>> Um, I guess about like
Well, about two years ago.

01:54:13.920 --> 01:54:17.597
>> Isn't that crazy? >> Yeah.
like relatively recently, you know. So

01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:19.837
>> maybe I started I
started having an well

01:54:19.920 --> 01:54:23.917
I I started like basically having a bad
feeling about 3 years ago, which is why

01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:27.517
which was which is when >> uh
why I felt it was like critical to

01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:29.997
acquire Twitter um and have a maximally

01:54:30.080 --> 01:54:31.997
truth seeeking platform, not one that

01:54:32.080 --> 01:54:36.957
suppresses the truth. Um and um

01:54:37.040 --> 01:54:40.477
like it it was more it was more like I
like I'm not sure what's going on, but I

01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:44.237
have a I have a bad feeling about what's
going on. And then the more I dug into

01:54:44.320 --> 01:54:47.597
it, the more I was like, "Holy [__] we
got a real problem here and America's

01:54:47.680 --> 01:54:51.917
going to fall." So, uh,
>> without anyone knowing it had fallen,

01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:53.837
that's that would be the problem. It

01:54:53.920 --> 01:54:56.557
could have fallen and been unrepable

01:54:56.640 --> 01:55:01.357
without anyone really being aware
of what had happened, especially if you

01:55:01.440 --> 01:55:04.637
didn't buy Twitter. >> Yes,
that's that's it. Look, buying

01:55:04.720 --> 01:55:06.797
Twitter was a a huge pain in the ass.

01:55:06.880 --> 01:55:10.637
Um, and made me a a a a pin cushion of

01:55:10.720 --> 01:55:13.037
attacks. Like dab dab stab dab dab.

01:55:13.120 --> 01:55:14.557
>> Everybody loved you before that.

01:55:14.640 --> 01:55:17.117
>> Well, some people love >>
a lot of people loved you. A lot of

01:55:17.200 --> 01:55:21.037
lefties loved you. >> Uh,
I I was a hero of the left. As far as

01:55:21.120 --> 01:55:24.477
>> the thing, if you drove a Tesla,
it showed that you were environmentally

01:55:24.560 --> 01:55:27.597
conscious and you were on the right side.

01:55:27.680 --> 01:55:31.277
>> Uh, yeah. Um,

01:55:31.360 --> 01:55:33.357
yeah. I mean, I'm still the same human.

01:55:33.440 --> 01:55:37.277
I didn't like have a brain transplant
between, you know, since in like three

01:55:37.360 --> 01:55:39.837
years ago, you know. Um >> Well,
that's my favorite bumper sticker

01:55:39.920 --> 01:55:44.077
that people put on Teslas now.
I bought this before Elon went crazy.

01:55:44.160 --> 01:55:45.597
>> I took a picture of one the other day.

01:55:45.680 --> 01:55:49.117
Oh, you found somebody. Oh, yeah.
I've seen I've seen three or four of them.

01:55:49.200 --> 01:55:51.917
People that have these bumper stickers
on their car that says, "I bought this

01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:54.317
before Elon went crazy." Because when

01:55:54.400 --> 01:55:57.917
people were vandalizing Teslas

01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:01.117
>> Yeah. Um the most there was organized

01:56:01.200 --> 01:56:06.317
campaign to literally burn down Teslas
and and we had one of our dealers got

01:56:06.400 --> 01:56:09.117
shot up with a gun like they
fired bullets into the in the Tesla

01:56:09.200 --> 01:56:12.077
dealership. They're burning down cars.

01:56:12.160 --> 01:56:13.677
Uh

01:56:13.760 --> 01:56:16.557
it was crazy. Um

01:56:16.640 --> 01:56:21.197
uh so but the bumper sticker should read
there should be an an addendum to the

01:56:21.280 --> 01:56:24.557
bumper sticker.
It's like I bought this car before

01:56:24.640 --> 01:56:26.877
uh Elon turned crazy. Actually, now I

01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:29.597
realize he's not crazy and I've seen the

01:56:29.680 --> 01:56:34.477
light. [laughter] >> That'll
take some time. That'll take

01:56:34.560 --> 01:56:37.517
some time. People don't want
to admit that they've been tricked.

01:56:37.600 --> 01:56:40.797
>> Yeah. I mean, there's that old saying
where it's like it's really easy to fool

01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:44.717
somebody, but it's almost impossible
to convince someone that they were fooled.

01:56:44.800 --> 01:56:48.957
>> Yeah. It's much easier to fool them
than to convince them they've been fooled.

01:56:49.040 --> 01:56:52.957
People cling to their ideas. >> Yes.
They especially if they've like

01:56:53.040 --> 01:56:55.197
publicly stated these things, they get

01:56:55.280 --> 01:56:57.837
very embarrassed of being foolish.

01:56:57.920 --> 01:57:00.637
>> Yeah. People most
time they double down.

01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:03.997
>> Um and uh >> and they
find echo chambers.

01:57:04.080 --> 01:57:06.157
>> Yeah. Yeah.
But but there's you know the

01:57:06.240 --> 01:57:09.037
thing is that like I you know I've seen

01:57:09.120 --> 01:57:11.997
more and more people who were convinced

01:57:12.080 --> 01:57:16.157
of the sort of work ideology um see the

01:57:16.240 --> 01:57:19.597
light. >> Yeah. So,
not everyone, but it's more

01:57:19.680 --> 01:57:24.237
and more um are seeing the light. Um
and and it tends to happen like when when

01:57:24.320 --> 01:57:27.437
something happens that really,
you know, directly affects you, >> right?

01:57:27.520 --> 01:57:29.757
>> Um you like there was a friend of mine

01:57:29.840 --> 01:57:33.037
who uh was living in in the San

01:57:33.120 --> 01:57:36.717
Francisco Bay area and um that tried to

01:57:36.800 --> 01:57:40.157
trans his his his daughter um did like

01:57:40.240 --> 01:57:42.877
to the point where the the school like

01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:45.117
sent sent the police to his house to

01:57:45.200 --> 01:57:48.557
take his daughter away from him.

01:57:48.640 --> 01:57:51.037
Now, now that's going to radicalize you.

01:57:51.120 --> 01:57:54.317
Well, that's going to break that's going
to shake you out of your blue structure.

01:57:54.400 --> 01:57:59.437
Um, now I know, >> so it was an activist
at the school that was trying to do this.

01:57:59.520 --> 01:58:00.797
>> Yeah, the school and the and the state

01:58:00.880 --> 01:58:03.757
of California conspired to turn his

01:58:03.840 --> 01:58:06.637
daughter against him and uh make her

01:58:06.720 --> 01:58:09.597
take uh lifealtering drugs that would

01:58:09.680 --> 01:58:13.757
have sterilized her um and uh

01:58:13.840 --> 01:58:14.557
irreversible.

01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:17.517
>> And how old was she? I think 14,

01:58:17.600 --> 01:58:22.557
something like that. Um, so and but he
he managed to talk the police out of

01:58:22.640 --> 01:58:27.357
taking his daughter away from him that
day. Um, and that that night he got on a

01:58:27.440 --> 01:58:29.357
plane to Texas.

01:58:29.440 --> 01:58:34.717
>> Wow. Um and uh like you know a year

01:58:34.800 --> 01:58:37.357
after just being in in a in a school in

01:58:37.440 --> 01:58:41.677
like greater Austin area um she she went

01:58:41.760 --> 01:58:45.757
she came went back to normal
meaning like it it wasn't real

01:58:45.840 --> 01:58:49.917
>> right >> um well people
are being much more open

01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:51.997
to that now. I mean Wall Street Journal

01:58:52.080 --> 01:58:55.277
uh yesterday had that opinion piece that

01:58:55.360 --> 01:58:59.197
this whole trans thing there's a lot
of evidence is a social contagion.

01:58:59.280 --> 01:59:02.237
Absolutely. >> And Colin
Wright wrote that. And then

01:59:02.320 --> 01:59:05.117
he's getting death threats now, of course.
And on Blue Sky, there's people

01:59:05.200 --> 01:59:08.477
talking about exterminating him, which
is one thing that you are allowed to say

01:59:08.560 --> 01:59:12.237
on Blue Sky, apparently.
>> You're you're allowed to say horrible

01:59:12.320 --> 01:59:14.957
things about people saying possibly

01:59:15.040 --> 01:59:17.917
truthful things about this whole social

01:59:18.000 --> 01:59:22.317
contagion. Cuz that's what when you get
nine kids that are in a friend group and

01:59:22.400 --> 01:59:24.077
they all decide to turn trans together.

01:59:24.160 --> 01:59:27.997
Yeah. >> Something's wrong.
That's not statistically

01:59:28.080 --> 01:59:31.757
>> Yeah. Like here's the like you can
convince kids to do anything. You can

01:59:31.840 --> 01:59:33.997
convince kids to be
a suicide bomber, >> right?

01:59:34.080 --> 01:59:36.637
>> So >> which is why
they do with in in some

01:59:36.720 --> 01:59:38.957
countries why they choose
children to do that.

01:59:39.040 --> 01:59:42.477
>> Yes. You can train kids to be suicide
bombers. And if you can train kids to be

01:59:42.560 --> 01:59:45.197
su suicide bombers, you can
convince them of anything.

01:59:45.280 --> 01:59:48.957
>> Yeah. Especially with enough positive
enforcement and cultural enforcement and

01:59:49.040 --> 01:59:51.437
you >> and and the idea
that that that's not

01:59:51.520 --> 01:59:56.077
the case. >> Kids kids are
kids are um malleable. The

01:59:56.160 --> 01:59:57.917
minds of youth are easily corrupted.

01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:01.197
>> You're also seeing a lot of push
back from gay and lesbian people that are

02:00:01.280 --> 02:00:05.517
saying like, "Hey, if someone >> stop
including me in Yeah. Exactly. the

02:00:05.600 --> 02:00:09.357
LGBT, you know, it's like, wait a second,
why are we being included all

02:00:09.440 --> 02:00:13.437
the time in this situation?" >> Exactly.
Exactly. When especially when,

02:00:13.520 --> 02:00:16.237
you know, like my friend Tim Dylan's
talked about this is like it's really

02:00:16.320 --> 02:00:20.797
homophobic because you're taking these
gay kids and you're you're telling them

02:00:20.880 --> 02:00:23.357
like, "Hey, you're not gay.
You're actually a girl."

02:00:23.440 --> 02:00:27.437
>> Yes. and you know, hey, hey, go make
it so that you can never have an orgasm

02:00:27.520 --> 02:00:30.557
again and you'll be happy.
>> Like, >> yeah,

02:00:30.640 --> 02:00:32.877
>> [__] permanent mutilation, permanent

02:00:32.960 --> 02:00:36.557
castration of of kids is like I I think

02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:39.837
>> I I we should look look at at uh anyone

02:00:39.920 --> 02:00:45.357
who permanently castrates a kid as like
right up there with Ysef Mangler.

02:00:45.440 --> 02:00:48.637
>> Yeah. >> I mean, they're
they're mutilating children.

02:00:48.720 --> 02:00:51.757
>> Yeah. Yeah. And um it's thought of as

02:00:51.840 --> 02:00:56.877
being kind. And the thing is, would you
rather have a live daughter or a dead

02:00:56.960 --> 02:00:59.117
son? >> That's that's
the that's the line they use.

02:00:59.200 --> 02:01:01.757
>> Yeah. Which is not
supported by any data.

02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:05.037
>> No. In fact,
the the probability of suicide increases.

02:01:05.120 --> 02:01:06.717
>> Right. >> This is important
maybe for the audience

02:01:06.800 --> 02:01:11.757
to know. Uh the probability of suicide
increases if you're transit kid, not

02:01:11.840 --> 02:01:13.597
decreases.

02:01:13.680 --> 02:01:16.077
>> By some accounts, it triples. So that

02:01:16.160 --> 02:01:19.997
that is an evil lie. And it's a lie that

02:01:20.080 --> 02:01:24.717
is supposedly compassionate. Imagine
you've twisted reality to the point

02:01:24.800 --> 02:01:31.357
where confusing a child that's not even
legally allowed to get a [__] tattoo.

02:01:31.440 --> 02:01:33.197
>> Yeah. >> Right.
Because you think that you could

02:01:33.280 --> 02:01:36.637
make a mistake with a tattoo,
a totally removable thing, >> right?

02:01:36.720 --> 02:01:39.917
>> If I wanted to, tomorrow I can go
to a doctor and they could laser off every

02:01:40.000 --> 02:01:42.397
tattoo that I have on me. >> Right.

02:01:42.480 --> 02:01:46.797
>> Okay. No harm, no foul. Yeah. But you
get sterilized like that's it forever.

02:01:46.880 --> 02:01:49.917
Forever. Yes, >> they'll castrate you.
You no longer have

02:01:50.000 --> 02:01:54.237
testicles. You have no penis. You have
a hole where your penis used to be.

02:01:54.320 --> 02:01:56.957
>> Yes. >> And this is compassionate
and this is preventing you from

02:01:57.040 --> 02:01:59.917
>> Actually, a lot of kids die uh in in

02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:02.717
with the these uh sex change operations.

02:02:02.800 --> 02:02:04.717
They die the number of deaths on the

02:02:04.800 --> 02:02:06.317
operating table. People don't hear about

02:02:06.400 --> 02:02:10.237
those. A lot of kids because that we

02:02:10.320 --> 02:02:14.557
it's we don't really actually have the
technology to make this work. So a bunch

02:02:14.640 --> 02:02:18.477
of the times the kids just die
in the sex change operations.

02:02:18.560 --> 02:02:19.597
>> Jesus Christ.

02:02:19.680 --> 02:02:21.277
>> Yeah. It's it's
demented which it should

02:02:21.360 --> 02:02:26.237
be viewed as like you know um like like

02:02:26.320 --> 02:02:30.637
evil Nazi doctor stuff basically.
That's why it was like real Nazi not the

02:02:30.720 --> 02:02:33.757
[__] fake Nazi stuff. >> Crazy
that even pushing back against

02:02:33.840 --> 02:02:37.437
something that seems like
fundamentally logically

02:02:37.520 --> 02:02:40.397
very easy to argue the old Twitter would

02:02:40.480 --> 02:02:45.240
ban you forever. Uh, yes.

02:02:45.840 --> 02:02:48.317
>> That's how crazy a social contagion can

02:02:48.400 --> 02:02:52.877
get when it completely defies logic,
victimizes children, does something that

02:02:52.960 --> 02:02:54.717
makes no sense, does not supported by

02:02:54.800 --> 02:02:57.757
data, all connected to this ideology

02:02:57.840 --> 02:03:02.477
that trans is good. We got to save
trans kids, protect trans kids.

02:03:02.560 --> 02:03:04.077
>> Yeah. And what I want to emphasize is

02:03:04.160 --> 02:03:06.317
that the the save trans kids thing is a

02:03:06.400 --> 02:03:10.397
lie. Um if if you if you if you castrate

02:03:10.480 --> 02:03:12.957
kids and trans them the probability of

02:03:13.040 --> 02:03:15.597
suicide increases. It does not decrease.

02:03:15.680 --> 02:03:19.677
It substantially increases. Um the the

02:03:19.760 --> 02:03:21.917
the studies have done that I've seen the

02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:27.677
the risk of suicide
triples if you trans kids.

02:03:27.760 --> 02:03:30.957
So you're not saving them, you're
killing them. Moreover, during the sex

02:03:31.040 --> 02:03:33.837
change operation, there are many deaths

02:03:33.920 --> 02:03:35.757
that occur during the sex change

02:03:35.840 --> 02:03:38.397
operation.

02:03:38.480 --> 02:03:42.797
>> Jesus Christ.
It's just crazy that this is a real

02:03:42.880 --> 02:03:46.237
issue. >> Yeah, it it's
a nightmare fever dream

02:03:46.320 --> 02:03:47.917
and and people are finally waking up

02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:50.877
from it.

02:03:50.960 --> 02:03:53.517
Now, when you started getting into the

02:03:53.600 --> 02:03:56.957
Doge stuff and started finding how much

02:03:57.040 --> 02:03:59.677
money is being shuffled around and moved

02:03:59.760 --> 02:04:01.917
around to NOS's and how much money is

02:04:02.000 --> 02:04:04.637
involved and

02:04:04.720 --> 02:04:08.877
just totally untraceable funds like

02:04:08.960 --> 02:04:11.037
this is again something like two years

02:04:11.120 --> 02:04:15.037
plus ago you weren't aware of it all.

02:04:15.120 --> 02:04:17.197
>> No, I was aware of it. Um I just didn't

02:04:17.280 --> 02:04:22.717
realize how how the how big it was.
just just just how much waste and forward

02:04:22.800 --> 02:04:25.917
there is in the government is truly vast.

02:04:26.000 --> 02:04:32.920
Um in fact the government didn't
even know um and nor did they care.

02:04:33.200 --> 02:04:36.637
>> That's crazy. >> Yeah. >> And

02:04:36.720 --> 02:04:39.277
>> I mean just like some of the very basic

02:04:39.360 --> 02:04:44.077
stuff that Doge did um will have lasting
effects. Um and some of these things

02:04:44.160 --> 02:04:45.437
like they're so elementary you can't

02:04:45.520 --> 02:04:50.237
believe it. So, um the the doge team got

02:04:50.320 --> 02:04:54.237
the um you know the the mo most of the

02:04:54.320 --> 02:04:59.037
main payments computers um to require

02:04:59.120 --> 02:05:02.397
uh the the congressional appropriation
code. So, when a payment is made, you

02:05:02.480 --> 02:05:06.077
have to actually enter the congressional
appropriation card. That used to be

02:05:06.160 --> 02:05:10.637
optional and and often would be just
left blank. So, the money would just go

02:05:10.720 --> 02:05:14.477
out, but it wasn't even tied to a
congressional appropriation. Then they

02:05:14.560 --> 02:05:19.917
also Dutch team also made the uh comment
field for the payment mandatory. So you

02:05:20.000 --> 02:05:23.597
have to say something. We're not saying
that what what is said like you can say

02:05:23.680 --> 02:05:27.197
anything. You you your cat could run
across the keyboard. Uh you could go

02:05:27.280 --> 02:05:31.437
querty ASDF but you have to say
something above nothing because what we

02:05:31.520 --> 02:05:34.717
found was that there were tens
of billions maybe hundreds of billions of

02:05:34.800 --> 02:05:37.517
dollars that were zombie payments. So

02:05:37.600 --> 02:05:39.517
there like somebody had approved a

02:05:39.600 --> 02:05:41.997
payment uh uh somebody in the government

02:05:42.080 --> 02:05:44.957
approved a payment um and uh some

02:05:45.040 --> 02:05:48.397
recurring payment and um they retired or

02:05:48.480 --> 02:05:51.117
died or changed jobs and no one turned

02:05:51.200 --> 02:05:56.477
the money off. So the money
would just keep going out

02:05:56.560 --> 02:05:59.037
and and it's a pretty rare >> go where

02:05:59.120 --> 02:06:03.437
>> to to the a company or an individual um

02:06:03.520 --> 02:06:06.557
and it's a pretty rare company
or individual who will complain that

02:06:06.640 --> 02:06:10.077
they're getting money that they should
not get and and a bunch of the money was

02:06:10.160 --> 02:06:13.037
just going to the were
transfer payments to the states.

02:06:13.120 --> 02:06:16.557
>> So these are automatic payments
there no accounting for them at all.

02:06:16.640 --> 02:06:19.917
>> I imagine like like there's
an automatic debit of your credit card

02:06:20.000 --> 02:06:22.477
>> um and you don't you
never look at the statement,

02:06:22.560 --> 02:06:26.717
>> right? Um, so it's
just money going out.

02:06:26.800 --> 02:06:31.517
Uh, that's why I call them zombie
payments. Um, that there might have been

02:06:31.600 --> 02:06:35.117
they might have been legitimate at one
point, but the person who approved that

02:06:35.200 --> 02:06:37.677
recurring payment um, changed jobs,

02:06:37.760 --> 02:06:39.837
died, retired, or whatever, and no one

02:06:39.920 --> 02:06:42.957
ever turned the money off.

02:06:43.040 --> 02:06:47.117
And my guess is that's probably at least

02:06:47.200 --> 02:06:51.357
a hundred billion a year, maybe 200. and

02:06:51.440 --> 02:06:57.880
going where >> uh to to uh

02:06:58.080 --> 02:07:02.477
uh I mean there there are millions
of these payments. So so it's I mean

02:07:02.560 --> 02:07:06.557
>> millions >> uh yes >> millions
of payments that are going to

02:07:06.640 --> 02:07:10.317
who knows where. >> Yes.
In a bunch of cases there are fraud

02:07:10.400 --> 02:07:12.877
rings that operate uh professional fraud

02:07:12.960 --> 02:07:14.477
rings that operate to exploit the

02:07:14.560 --> 02:07:17.997
system. um they figure out some security

02:07:18.080 --> 02:07:21.117
hole in the system and they just do

02:07:21.200 --> 02:07:25.757
professional fraud. Um and um you know

02:07:25.840 --> 02:07:27.277
that's where we found for example people

02:07:27.360 --> 02:07:30.157
who were you know 300 years old in the

02:07:30.240 --> 02:07:33.677
social security administration database.

02:07:33.760 --> 02:07:36.157
Now, I thought that this was uh a

02:07:36.240 --> 02:07:39.357
mistake of not registering their deaths

02:07:39.440 --> 02:07:41.837
that people were born like a long time

02:07:41.920 --> 02:07:44.477
ago and it had defaulted to like a

02:07:44.560 --> 02:07:47.837
certain number and so that after time

02:07:47.920 --> 02:07:49.357
those people were still in the system.

02:07:49.440 --> 02:07:52.157
It was just an error of the the way the

02:07:52.240 --> 02:07:53.997
accounting was done.

02:07:54.080 --> 02:07:58.157
>> Yeah. So, um that's not true. So,

02:07:58.240 --> 02:08:00.717
there's or or at least one of two things

02:08:00.800 --> 02:08:04.237
must be true. um the there's a there's a

02:08:04.320 --> 02:08:07.277
typo or or some mistake in the computer

02:08:07.360 --> 02:08:12.237
or it's fraudulent, but we don't have
any 300-year-old vampires uh living in

02:08:12.320 --> 02:08:17.277
America. >> Allegedly. >> Allegedly.
Um and uh or or and we don't

02:08:17.360 --> 02:08:20.717
have people in some cases who's who are
receiving payments who are born in the

02:08:20.800 --> 02:08:23.997
future. [laughter] >> Born in the future.

02:08:24.080 --> 02:08:25.517
>> Born in the future. >> Really?

02:08:25.600 --> 02:08:29.117
>> Yes. there the people
receiving payments

02:08:29.200 --> 02:08:35.357
whose birth date uh um was like
in 2100 and something >> okay so there's

02:08:35.440 --> 02:08:38.557
>> like next century >> is there a task
>> we know we know that one of two things

02:08:38.640 --> 02:08:41.357
must be true um that that that either

02:08:41.440 --> 02:08:45.757
there's a mistake
in the computer or it's fraud

02:08:45.840 --> 02:08:49.757
but if you have someone's birth date
that's either in the future or where

02:08:49.840 --> 02:08:52.477
they are older than the oldest living
American because the oldest living

02:08:52.560 --> 02:08:56.157
American is 114 years old so
if they're more than 114 years

02:08:56.240 --> 02:08:58.797
um there is either a mistake and someone

02:08:58.880 --> 02:09:01.037
should should call them and say I I

02:09:01.120 --> 02:09:03.277
think we have your birthday uh wrong

02:09:03.360 --> 02:09:06.237
because it says you were born in 17 you

02:09:06.320 --> 02:09:08.557
know 8086

02:09:08.640 --> 02:09:11.837
um and um you know that was before you

02:09:11.920 --> 02:09:14.717
know um you know before there was really

02:09:14.800 --> 02:09:17.597
an America you know it was it was like

02:09:17.680 --> 02:09:21.357
uh you know kind of early you know we're

02:09:21.440 --> 02:09:24.877
still fighting England
type of thing uh [laughter]

02:09:24.960 --> 02:09:28.957
you It's like uh this
person either needs to

02:09:29.040 --> 02:09:32.557
be in the Guinness Book of World
Records or or they're not alive,

02:09:32.640 --> 02:09:36.557
>> but still at the end of the day,
money is going towards that account that's

02:09:36.640 --> 02:09:39.997
connected to this person
that is either non-existent or

02:09:40.080 --> 02:09:43.277
>> so like like Yeah. So there was like uh

02:09:43.360 --> 02:09:45.997
I think um something like I don't know

02:09:46.080 --> 02:09:49.917
20 million uh people in the Social

02:09:50.000 --> 02:09:54.237
Security Administration database that
could not possibly be alive um if their

02:09:54.320 --> 02:09:58.237
birth date is like based on their birth
date they could not possibly be alive.

02:09:58.320 --> 02:10:00.157
>> And then to be clear 20 million people

02:10:00.240 --> 02:10:02.477
that were receiving funds

02:10:02.560 --> 02:10:07.757
>> uh a bunch of most of them
were not receiving funds.

02:10:07.840 --> 02:10:11.037
Some of them were receiving funds. Most
were not receiving funds. But so let me

02:10:11.120 --> 02:10:15.917
tell you how the scam works. It's it's
a bank shot. So the Social Security

02:10:16.000 --> 02:10:19.437
Administration database is used
as the source of truth by all the other

02:10:19.520 --> 02:10:23.597
databases that the government uses.
So even if they stop the payments on the

02:10:23.680 --> 02:10:27.677
Social Security Administration database
like unemployment insurance, Small

02:10:27.760 --> 02:10:31.997
Business Administration, student
loans all check the Social Security

02:10:32.080 --> 02:10:34.397
Administration database to say is this

02:10:34.480 --> 02:10:38.237
is this a legitimate alived person? And

02:10:38.320 --> 02:10:41.997
uh and if the social security database
will say yes, this person is still alive

02:10:42.080 --> 02:10:45.597
even though they're 200 years old.
Um but forgets to mention that they're 200

02:10:45.680 --> 02:10:47.757
years old, it just says it just returns

02:10:47.840 --> 02:10:51.437
uh uh when when the computer is queries,

02:10:51.520 --> 02:10:54.237
it says yes, this person is alive. And

02:10:54.320 --> 02:10:58.797
so then they're able to exploit the entire
rest of the government ecosystem.

02:10:58.880 --> 02:11:01.757
So fake then you get fake student loans,
then you get fake unemployment

02:11:01.840 --> 02:11:05.517
insurance, then you get fake medical
payments. And this doesn't have to be

02:11:05.600 --> 02:11:08.957
tied to an individual where where
there's an address where you can check

02:11:09.040 --> 02:11:10.557
on this person.

02:11:10.640 --> 02:11:13.677
>> No, if you did do if just did any check

02:11:13.760 --> 02:11:17.117
at all, you would stop this.

02:11:17.200 --> 02:11:20.397
>> So, so, so that's
that that that's so so

02:11:20.480 --> 02:11:24.397
>> And how much money do you think
is >> any check like anything at all that

02:11:24.480 --> 02:11:28.557
would stop would stop the forward
like any effort at all?

02:11:28.640 --> 02:11:31.437
>> Um, yeah. >> So, there's
multiple layers. the social

02:11:31.520 --> 02:11:35.277
security number verifies that this is
a real person and then the other systems

02:11:35.360 --> 02:11:39.197
check every other government payment
and every other government payment system

02:11:39.280 --> 02:11:41.037
for everything for like small small

02:11:41.120 --> 02:11:44.317
business administration uh student loans

02:11:44.400 --> 02:11:48.877
uh Medicaid Medicare uh every other
government payment of which there are

02:11:48.960 --> 02:11:52.637
many there there actually hundreds of
government payment systems uh can all be

02:11:52.720 --> 02:11:55.837
exploited so long as social security

02:11:55.920 --> 02:11:59.437
database says this person is alive

02:11:59.520 --> 02:12:03.757
that's the nature of the scam It's
a bank shot. So then the then the rebuttal

02:12:03.840 --> 02:12:06.797
from the Dems is like, oh well the vast
majority of the people who are marked as

02:12:06.880 --> 02:12:08.957
alive in the Social Security
Administration weren't receiving Social

02:12:09.040 --> 02:12:12.397
Security Administration payments. That
is true. What they forgot to mention is

02:12:12.480 --> 02:12:13.677
they're getting fraudulent payments from

02:12:13.760 --> 02:12:17.117
every other government program.

02:12:17.200 --> 02:12:22.157
And that's why the the DMs were so
opposed to turning off to to declaring

02:12:22.240 --> 02:12:25.997
someone dead who was dead because it
would stop the entire other all the

02:12:26.080 --> 02:12:30.077
other fraud from happening. And so,
but all this is it trackable like all this

02:12:30.160 --> 02:12:33.437
other fraud. >> If they wanted to,
they could chase it all down.

02:12:33.520 --> 02:12:38.637
>> Yeah. It's not even hard. >> And yet
they're opposing chasing it all down.

02:12:38.720 --> 02:12:41.837
>> They're opposing chasing it all down
because it would it turns off the money

02:12:41.920 --> 02:12:45.437
magnet for the illegals.

02:12:45.520 --> 02:12:47.917
Wow.

02:12:48.000 --> 02:12:51.517
Because it's very logical to to like

02:12:51.600 --> 02:12:53.277
like I'm saying the most common sense

02:12:53.360 --> 02:12:56.717
things possible. If someone's got uh a

02:12:56.800 --> 02:12:59.517
birthday in social security that is an

02:12:59.600 --> 02:13:02.877
impossible birthday, meaning they are

02:13:02.960 --> 02:13:04.797
older than the oldest living American or

02:13:04.880 --> 02:13:07.597
were born in the future, then you should

02:13:07.680 --> 02:13:10.557
call them and say, "Excuse me, we seem

02:13:10.640 --> 02:13:12.957
to have your birthday wrong."

02:13:13.040 --> 02:13:18.557
Uh because it says that you're 200
years old. That's all you need to do.

02:13:18.640 --> 02:13:20.637
Um, and >> and then you
would remove them from the

02:13:20.720 --> 02:13:23.837
social security database and make that
number no longer available for all those

02:13:23.920 --> 02:13:26.077
other government payments. >> Exactly.

02:13:26.160 --> 02:13:30.957
>> Wow. And how much money are we talking?

02:13:31.040 --> 02:13:34.077
>> It's hund hundreds
of billions of dollars.

02:13:34.160 --> 02:13:37.837
>> And this is all traceable.
Like you could hunt all

02:13:37.920 --> 02:13:41.117
>> like you don't need to be Sherlock
Holmes here is what I'm saying.

02:13:41.200 --> 02:13:43.757
>> Well, this we don't need to call
Sherlock Holmes for this one. Is this

02:13:43.840 --> 02:13:46.797
part of >> you just
need to call the person

02:13:46.880 --> 02:13:51.197
>> and and say, "Excuse me, we either we
we seem to have the [laughter] like we we

02:13:51.280 --> 02:13:55.117
we must have your birthday wrong because
it says you're 200 years old or were

02:13:55.200 --> 02:14:00.077
born uh in the future. Um so could
you tell us what your birthday is?

02:14:00.160 --> 02:14:03.997
That's all you need to do. It's it's
that simple." But the all these other

02:14:04.080 --> 02:14:07.357
government payments that are available
that are connected to this social

02:14:07.440 --> 02:14:10.877
security number, it seems like if you

02:14:10.960 --> 02:14:13.197
just chased that all down, Yeah.

02:14:13.280 --> 02:14:18.157
>> you would find the widespread fraud.
You would find where it's going.

02:14:18.240 --> 02:14:20.157
>> Yes. The but the root of the problem is

02:14:20.240 --> 02:14:25.277
the social security administration
database because um the social security

02:14:25.360 --> 02:14:31.560
number in the United States is used
as a deacto national ID number.

02:14:32.400 --> 02:14:37.277
You know that's why like the bank always
asks for your social like the you know

02:14:37.360 --> 02:14:43.400
any financial institution will ask
for your social security number.

02:14:44.480 --> 02:14:48.957
>> This is it sounds so insane that
this isn't chased down. I mean >> I agree

02:14:49.040 --> 02:14:50.957
>> that I mean I mean
that in and of itself

02:14:51.040 --> 02:14:57.720
is that's such mishandling. >> Yes.

02:14:58.480 --> 02:15:02.477
No it's mind-blowing.
Um, so yeah, it's crazy.

02:15:02.560 --> 02:15:06.157
>> Well, you were very reluctant last time
you were here to talk about the extent

02:15:06.240 --> 02:15:11.757
of some of the fraud because you're like,
they could kill me because this is

02:15:11.840 --> 02:15:12.157
kind of

02:15:12.240 --> 02:15:14.077
>> Oh, what? Yeah. What I was saying is

02:15:14.160 --> 02:15:19.837
that um the like if you create if like

02:15:19.920 --> 02:15:22.077
uh

02:15:22.160 --> 02:15:25.437
I like like to be pragmatic and

02:15:25.520 --> 02:15:30.397
realistic um you actually can't manage
to zero fraud. you can manage to low

02:15:30.480 --> 02:15:35.357
fraud number but not to zero fraud.
If you manage to zero fraud, um you you

02:15:35.440 --> 02:15:38.317
you're going to push so many people over
the edge who are receiving fraudulent

02:15:38.400 --> 02:15:40.717
payments that the number of inbound

02:15:40.800 --> 02:15:43.837
homicidal maniacs will be uh really hard

02:15:43.920 --> 02:15:48.237
to overcome. So I I'm I'm actually
taking I think quite a reasonable

02:15:48.320 --> 02:15:50.157
position which is that we should simply

02:15:50.240 --> 02:15:52.477
reduce the amount of fraud which I think

02:15:52.560 --> 02:15:56.717
is not an extremist position. Um, and we

02:15:56.800 --> 02:15:59.197
should aspire to, you know, have less

02:15:59.280 --> 02:16:02.237
fraud over time. Um, not that we should

02:16:02.320 --> 02:16:05.277
be ultra draconian and eliminate every

02:16:05.360 --> 02:16:10.237
last scrap of fraud. Um, which I
guess would be nice to have, but

02:16:10.320 --> 02:16:13.277
but like we don't even need to go that
extreme. I'm I'm saying we should just

02:16:13.360 --> 02:16:17.997
stop the blatant large
scale super obvious fraud.

02:16:18.080 --> 02:16:19.197
>> I think that's a reasonable position.

02:16:19.280 --> 02:16:20.797
>> It's a very reasonable position. Yeah.

02:16:20.880 --> 02:16:24.077
And so what was the most shocking push

02:16:24.160 --> 02:16:26.797
back that you got when you started

02:16:26.880 --> 02:16:28.717
implementing Doge? When you started

02:16:28.800 --> 02:16:31.277
investigating into where money was

02:16:31.360 --> 02:16:33.917
going?

02:16:34.000 --> 02:16:37.597
Well, um I guess it this was I should

02:16:37.680 --> 02:16:41.597
have anticipated this, but um

02:16:41.680 --> 02:16:43.997
while most of the fraudulent government

02:16:44.080 --> 02:16:48.877
payments to especially to the NOS's
go to the Democrats, most of it like I

02:16:48.960 --> 02:16:50.397
don't know for argument sake let's say

02:16:50.480 --> 02:16:56.477
80% maybe 90%. Um um 10 to 20% of it

02:16:56.560 --> 02:16:58.957
does go to Republicans.

02:16:59.040 --> 02:17:01.357
And so when we'd turn off funding to a

02:17:01.440 --> 02:17:05.037
fraudulent NGO, we'd get complaints from

02:17:05.120 --> 02:17:09.597
whatever the 10% of Republicans who
were receiving uh the money and and they

02:17:09.680 --> 02:17:11.837
would, you know, they would very loudly

02:17:11.920 --> 02:17:15.437
complain. Um

02:17:15.520 --> 02:17:18.477
because the the honest answer is the

02:17:18.560 --> 02:17:21.197
Republicans are are partly they're

02:17:21.280 --> 02:17:23.037
receiving some of the fraud, too.

02:17:23.120 --> 02:17:28.680
They're getting a big >> Jesus.

02:17:28.880 --> 02:17:33.677
Yeah, it's I want to be clear. It's it's
not like the Republican party is some um

02:17:33.760 --> 02:17:35.677
ultra pure paragon of virtue here.

02:17:35.760 --> 02:17:38.637
>> No. >> Okay. Um >> well,
you see that with the

02:17:38.720 --> 02:17:42.157
congressional insider training.
It's across the board.

02:17:42.240 --> 02:17:43.677
>> Yeah. >> It's left and right.

02:17:43.760 --> 02:17:46.077
>> I mean, the whole uni party criticism

02:17:46.160 --> 02:17:47.997
has some validity to it. you know,

02:17:48.080 --> 02:17:52.637
there's so um and it's it's like if you

02:17:52.720 --> 02:17:56.637
turn off fraudulent payments, it's not
like like I say, it's not like 100% of

02:17:56.720 --> 02:17:58.557
those payments were going to Democrats.

02:17:58.640 --> 02:18:02.157
A a small percentage were also going
to Republicans. Those Republicans

02:18:02.240 --> 02:18:04.717
complained very loudly.

02:18:04.800 --> 02:18:08.477
Um and um

02:18:08.560 --> 02:18:11.677
you know and and that's that's

02:18:11.760 --> 02:18:15.757
so there was a lot of push back
on the Republican side for when we started

02:18:15.840 --> 02:18:20.317
cutting some of these these funds
and I tried telling them like well you

02:18:20.400 --> 02:18:25.997
know 90% of the money is going to your
opponents but they still if they even if

02:18:26.080 --> 02:18:27.917
they're getting 10% of >>
they want their peace.

02:18:28.000 --> 02:18:29.997
>> Yeah. They want their peace >>
and they've been getting that peace for

02:18:30.080 --> 02:18:33.720
a long time. >> Yes.

02:18:35.120 --> 02:18:38.957
Did you see >> this is why like you know
politics is like >> it's dirty business.

02:18:39.040 --> 02:18:43.437
>> Yeah. I mean that's like saying if like
you know if if you if you like sausages

02:18:43.520 --> 02:18:49.130
and respect the law do not watch either
of them being being made [laughter]

02:18:51.040 --> 02:18:56.637
>> yeah. Wow. Well that's
not even true because I've

02:18:56.720 --> 02:18:59.197
made sausage before. >> Yeah.
Yeah. It's actually like it's not

02:18:59.280 --> 02:19:03.277
that big a deal. Yeah.
fat and spices and casing,

02:19:03.360 --> 02:19:04.637
>> run it through the machine.
Not that big

02:19:04.720 --> 02:19:05.917
a deal.

02:19:06.000 --> 02:19:10.317
>> Yeah. Um but uh yeah, I mean I I think

02:19:10.400 --> 02:19:14.557
the stuff I'm saying here is not uh
like like if if you stand back and think

02:19:14.640 --> 02:19:16.077
about it for a second like oh yeah that

02:19:16.160 --> 02:19:17.677
that makes sense, you know.

02:19:17.760 --> 02:19:22.397
>> Um the it's it's not like um it's not

02:19:22.480 --> 02:19:25.837
like one political party is going to be um

02:19:25.920 --> 02:19:28.557
you know pure devil or pure angel.

02:19:28.640 --> 02:19:31.837
There's, you know, I think there's
there's there there's there's much more

02:19:31.920 --> 02:19:35.597
corruption on the Democrat side, but it's
not there's not there's still some

02:19:35.680 --> 02:19:36.957
corruption on the Republican side.

02:19:37.040 --> 02:19:40.477
>> How did it happen that the majority
of the corruption wound up being on the

02:19:40.560 --> 02:19:42.077
Democrat side?

02:19:42.160 --> 02:19:44.397
>> Well, because the the the transfer

02:19:44.480 --> 02:19:49.197
payments, especially to illegals, um,
uh, are very much on the Democrat side.

02:19:49.280 --> 02:19:52.157
>> That so that's the root of it
all is the illegal situation.

02:19:52.240 --> 02:19:54.077
>> Yes. I mean, there's

02:19:54.160 --> 02:19:55.597
>> or a focal point.

02:19:55.680 --> 02:19:59.597
>> Yes. It's it's also like it's it's um

02:19:59.680 --> 02:20:03.117
it's it would also be
accurate to say that while

02:20:03.200 --> 02:20:05.037
obviously not everyone who is a Democrat

02:20:05.120 --> 02:20:11.010
is a criminal, almost everyone who
is a criminal is a Democrat [laughter]

02:20:11.920 --> 02:20:16.157
because because the Democrats are
the soft crime party. So if you're a

02:20:16.240 --> 02:20:18.317
criminal, who you going to vote for?

02:20:18.400 --> 02:20:20.237
>> Right. Right.

02:20:20.320 --> 02:20:23.037
>> The soft crime party. Did you think you

02:20:23.120 --> 02:20:25.837
were going to be able to get more done

02:20:25.920 --> 02:20:30.317
than you were? >> Um,
we did get a lot done, >> right?

02:20:30.400 --> 02:20:35.437
>> Um, and Doge is still still still
happening, by the way. Um, this the the

02:20:35.520 --> 02:20:37.277
Doge is still underway. There are still

02:20:37.360 --> 02:20:40.637
there are still um there's still waste

02:20:40.720 --> 02:20:45.437
and fraud being being cut by by the Doge
team. So, it hasn't stopped. Um, the

02:20:45.520 --> 02:20:49.677
>> it's less publicized. >> It's
less publicized. Um, and they don't

02:20:49.760 --> 02:20:52.637
have like a clear
person to attack anymore.

02:20:52.720 --> 02:20:55.837
>> Well, it seems like they basically they

02:20:55.920 --> 02:21:00.157
they applied immense pressure to me
to just to stop it. So then I'm like the

02:21:00.240 --> 02:21:04.317
best thing for me is to just, you know,
cut out of this. In any case, as a

02:21:04.400 --> 02:21:07.597
special government employee, I could
only be there for like 120 days anyway,

02:21:07.680 --> 02:21:11.997
something like that. So whatever the law
says. So I I could I I I was necessarily

02:21:12.080 --> 02:21:13.917
could only be there for 4 months uh as a

02:21:14.000 --> 02:21:17.997
special government employee. So, um

02:21:18.080 --> 02:21:21.277
um but uh yeah, I mean I mean you turn

02:21:21.360 --> 02:21:23.517
off the money spigot to to fraudsters,

02:21:23.600 --> 02:21:27.357
they get very upset to say the least. Um

02:21:27.440 --> 02:21:30.637
and um but my like my death threat level

02:21:30.720 --> 02:21:33.197
went uh ballistic, you know, was like a

02:21:33.280 --> 02:21:37.197
like a rocket going to orbit. Um

02:21:37.280 --> 02:21:42.557
yeah. Um, so but now that now now now
that I'm not in DC that that that I

02:21:42.640 --> 02:21:46.317
guess they don't really have
a person to attack uh anymore.

02:21:46.400 --> 02:21:50.957
>> Um, >> well the rhetoric about
you has calmed down significantly.

02:21:51.040 --> 02:21:53.357
>> Yeah, >> it was disturbing.
It was disturbing to

02:21:53.440 --> 02:21:55.197
watch. It was like this is crazy.

02:21:55.280 --> 02:21:58.717
>> And to watch these politicians engage
in it and all these people just like

02:21:58.800 --> 02:22:02.877
framing you as this monster. I was like
this is so weird. Like this is what

02:22:02.960 --> 02:22:04.797
happens when you uncover fraud.

02:22:04.880 --> 02:22:07.597
>> Yes. >> The whole
machine turns on you. And if

02:22:07.680 --> 02:22:09.437
it wasn't for a person like you who owns

02:22:09.520 --> 02:22:14.717
a platform and has an enormous amount
of money, like could have destroyed you.

02:22:14.800 --> 02:22:16.237
>> Yeah. >> And that was the goal.

02:22:16.320 --> 02:22:17.997
>> The goal was to destroy me. Absolutely.

02:22:18.080 --> 02:22:22.317
>> Because you were getting
in the way >> of this amazing graft.

02:22:22.400 --> 02:22:24.637
>> The the this gigantic fraud machine.

02:22:24.720 --> 02:22:25.277
>> Yeah.

02:22:25.360 --> 02:22:28.797
>> Um like I think I think Doge team's on

02:22:28.880 --> 02:22:32.077
done a lot of good work. Um, you know,

02:22:32.160 --> 02:22:35.597
and in in terms of uh fraud and waste

02:22:35.680 --> 02:22:37.997
prevented, my guess is it's, you know,

02:22:38.080 --> 02:22:42.637
probably on the order of two or 300
billion a year. So, it's pretty good.

02:22:42.720 --> 02:22:45.757
>> What do you think could have been
done if you just had like full reign and

02:22:45.840 --> 02:22:50.077
total cooperation? How much do
you think you could have saved?

02:22:50.160 --> 02:22:52.957
>> I mean, what level of of
power are we assuming here?

02:22:53.040 --> 02:22:55.757
>> Godlike. >> Oh, yeah.
I probably cut the federal

02:22:55.840 --> 02:22:57.757
budget in half

02:22:57.840 --> 02:23:01.277
and get more done.

02:23:01.360 --> 02:23:05.117
That is so crazy. It is so crazy that

02:23:05.200 --> 02:23:09.437
get more done and federal budget
widespread. It's that widespread.

02:23:09.520 --> 02:23:10.957
>> Well, I mean a whole
bunch of government

02:23:11.040 --> 02:23:12.397
departments simply shouldn't exist in my

02:23:12.480 --> 02:23:16.477
opinion. um they they um you know um

02:23:16.560 --> 02:23:19.837
>> like examples >> well
the department of ed department of

02:23:19.920 --> 02:23:21.917
education which was created uh recently

02:23:22.000 --> 02:23:26.877
like under Jimmy Carter um uh the our

02:23:26.960 --> 02:23:29.837
educational results have uh gone uh

02:23:29.920 --> 02:23:34.077
downhill ever since it was created.
So if you if you create a department and

02:23:34.160 --> 02:23:37.757
the result of creating that department
is a massive decline in educational

02:23:37.840 --> 02:23:40.957
results and it's department of education,
you're better off not having

02:23:41.040 --> 02:23:46.237
it because we're literally we were did
better before there was one than after

02:23:46.320 --> 02:23:47.597
>> when you let the states run it.

02:23:47.680 --> 02:23:50.317
>> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Because
at least the states can compete

02:23:50.400 --> 02:23:55.437
with one another. Um so but the problem
is like here like cutting department

02:23:55.520 --> 02:23:57.037
education. our kids need education.

02:23:57.120 --> 02:23:59.757
Yeah, they do. But but this is a new

02:23:59.840 --> 02:24:02.637
department that didn't even exist um you

02:24:02.720 --> 02:24:06.637
know until late the late 70s. Um and

02:24:06.720 --> 02:24:10.637
ever since that department was created,
the results educational results have

02:24:10.720 --> 02:24:12.957
declined.

02:24:13.040 --> 02:24:15.917
And so why would you have an institution

02:24:16.000 --> 02:24:20.157
continue that has made education worse?

02:24:20.240 --> 02:24:23.037
It doesn't make sense.
>> They killed it though, right? No, there

02:24:23.120 --> 02:24:25.357
still unfortunately >>
but they were trying to kill it.

02:24:25.440 --> 02:24:27.517
>> It has been substantially reduced.

02:24:27.600 --> 02:24:31.437
>> Okay. >> Um >> what other organizations

02:24:31.520 --> 02:24:32.797
what other departments?

02:24:32.880 --> 02:24:35.837
>> Well, I mean I'm
a small government guy.

02:24:35.920 --> 02:24:39.757
So um you know when when the you know

02:24:39.840 --> 02:24:41.357
when the country was created we just we

02:24:41.440 --> 02:24:43.597
we just had the department of state,

02:24:43.680 --> 02:24:48.157
department of war um you know and and uh

02:24:48.240 --> 02:24:49.677
sort of the sort of the department of

02:24:49.760 --> 02:24:51.917
justice. We had an attorney general uh

02:24:52.000 --> 02:24:56.397
and Treasury Department. Um

02:24:56.480 --> 02:25:00.477
I don't know why you need more than that.

02:25:00.560 --> 02:25:03.517
>> So what other departments specifically
do you think are just completely

02:25:03.600 --> 02:25:07.677
ineffective? >> Well,
I mean here it's like a question.

02:25:07.760 --> 02:25:10.637
It's a sort of philosophical question
of how much government do you think there

02:25:10.720 --> 02:25:16.317
should be? >> Right. >> Um
in my opinion, there should be uh the

02:25:16.400 --> 02:25:20.237
least amount of government. I've heard
the most bizarre argument against this

02:25:20.320 --> 02:25:23.517
is that you're cutting jobs and you're
gonna leave people jobless. And I'm

02:25:23.600 --> 02:25:26.077
like, but their jobs are useless.

02:25:26.160 --> 02:25:27.917
>> Yeah. Paying people to do nothing

02:25:28.000 --> 02:25:30.797
doesn't make sense. Um like there's a

02:25:30.880 --> 02:25:34.477
like a a great um

02:25:34.560 --> 02:25:36.477
a story about like Milton Friedman who

02:25:36.560 --> 02:25:41.517
is awesome. Um uh what like generally
whatever Milton Friedman said is you

02:25:41.600 --> 02:25:43.437
know people should should do that thing.

02:25:43.520 --> 02:25:45.117
Uh I'm not sure if it's apocryphal or

02:25:45.200 --> 02:25:48.477
not, but um like like someone complained

02:25:48.560 --> 02:25:51.437
to him like he he he observed I think

02:25:51.520 --> 02:25:54.957
people that were like um digging ditches

02:25:55.040 --> 02:25:58.877
with uh you know with with um shovels

02:25:58.960 --> 02:26:02.797
and um and he said well like allegedly

02:26:02.880 --> 02:26:06.877
Freeman said, "Well, I think I think
you should use you know um excavating

02:26:06.960 --> 02:26:10.477
equipment instead of shovels and you
could get it done with far fewer

02:26:10.560 --> 02:26:13.597
people." And then and then someone said,
"But then we're going to lose a lot of

02:26:13.680 --> 02:26:16.157
jobs." Well, in that then Freedom says,

02:26:16.240 --> 02:26:21.090
"Well, in that case, why don't you
have them use teaspoons?" [laughter]

02:26:23.360 --> 02:26:25.597
Just just dig ditches with teaspoons.

02:26:25.680 --> 02:26:27.597
Think of all the jobs you'll create.

02:26:27.680 --> 02:26:30.637
>> I mean, [laughter]

02:26:30.720 --> 02:26:34.717
it's [__] Basically, you just want
people to work on on things that are

02:26:34.800 --> 02:26:36.477
that are productive. You want people to

02:26:36.560 --> 02:26:39.837
work on on building things um on

02:26:39.920 --> 02:26:43.037
building you know uh providing products

02:26:43.120 --> 02:26:45.517
and services that people find valuable

02:26:45.600 --> 02:26:48.797
um like you know making food um being

02:26:48.880 --> 02:26:51.517
you know being a farmer or a plumber or

02:26:51.600 --> 02:26:53.597
electrician or just anyone who's a

02:26:53.680 --> 02:26:57.437
builder or providing useful services. Um

02:26:57.520 --> 02:26:59.837
and um that's what you want people to be

02:26:59.920 --> 02:27:03.037
doing. um not fake government jobs uh

02:27:03.120 --> 02:27:04.717
that that that don't add any value or

02:27:04.800 --> 02:27:08.077
may subtract value. Um

02:27:08.160 --> 02:27:11.437
um there's also like you know uh to

02:27:11.520 --> 02:27:15.917
illustrate the absurdity of also how
is the e how is the economy measured like

02:27:16.000 --> 02:27:20.637
the the way economists measure the
economy is is is nonsensical uh because

02:27:20.720 --> 02:27:24.717
they'll measure any job no matter even
if that job is a dumb job that has no

02:27:24.800 --> 02:27:29.197
point and is even counterproductive.
So like, so the like the joke is like

02:27:29.280 --> 02:27:33.597
there's two economists going
on a hike in the woods and [laughter]

02:27:33.680 --> 02:27:35.597
they come across

02:27:35.680 --> 02:27:40.717
a pile of [__] and one economist says to
the other, "I'll pay you $100 to eat eat

02:27:40.800 --> 02:27:44.477
that [laughter] shit."
The economist eats the [__] gets the

02:27:44.560 --> 02:27:48.397
$100. They they keep walking. Then the
other econ then come across another pile

02:27:48.480 --> 02:27:52.957
of [__] And and the the other economist
says, "Now I'll pay you $100 to eat the

02:27:53.040 --> 02:27:56.157
pile of shit." >> [laughter]

02:27:56.240 --> 02:27:58.957
>> say pays the so
pays the other economist

02:27:59.040 --> 02:28:01.357
$100 pile of [__] Then they then then

02:28:01.440 --> 02:28:03.357
then the way said they said like wait a

02:28:03.440 --> 02:28:06.477
second um we both just ate a pile of

02:28:06.560 --> 02:28:11.677
[__] and we're no and and and
and we're we're no we we we we

02:28:11.760 --> 02:28:15.837
don't have any more extra money like
like we both you just gave the $100 back

02:28:15.920 --> 02:28:20.317
to me and we both ate a pile of [__]
This doesn't make any sense. And they

02:28:20.400 --> 02:28:22.237
said, "No, no, but think of the economy

02:28:22.320 --> 02:28:24.957
because that's $200 of that in the

02:28:25.040 --> 02:28:27.757
economy that that basically [laughter]

02:28:27.840 --> 02:28:30.397
measure eating eating [__] would count

02:28:30.480 --> 02:28:36.020
as a as as a as a job. [laughter]

02:28:37.600 --> 02:28:43.117
This is this is this is to illustrate
the absurdity of of of economics.

02:28:43.200 --> 02:28:46.317
>> One of the things you said when
[laughter] things should not count as a

02:28:46.400 --> 02:28:47.677
job." One of the things you said when

02:28:47.760 --> 02:28:49.277
you stepped away is that you're kind of

02:28:49.360 --> 02:28:54.557
done and that it's unfixable. That um

02:28:54.640 --> 02:28:58.477
well or under its current form the way

02:28:58.560 --> 02:29:02.360
people are approaching it

02:29:02.800 --> 02:29:04.077
you can you can make it directionally

02:29:04.160 --> 02:29:06.477
better but ultimately you can't uh fully

02:29:06.560 --> 02:29:10.477
fix the system. Um,

02:29:10.560 --> 02:29:15.597
so, uh, I I I like like like like it it

02:29:15.680 --> 02:29:19.757
it is it is it would be
accurate to say that even

02:29:19.840 --> 02:29:21.517
like like unless you could go like super

02:29:21.600 --> 02:29:23.837
draconian like you know Gangghaskhan

02:29:23.920 --> 02:29:27.117
level on on on cutting waste waste and

02:29:27.200 --> 02:29:28.957
fraud which you can't really do in a

02:29:29.040 --> 02:29:33.277
democratic country um an aspirationally

02:29:33.360 --> 02:29:36.957
democratic country then um there's no

02:29:37.040 --> 02:29:39.117
way to solve the the the debt crisis.

02:29:39.200 --> 02:29:42.637
So, we got we got national debt that's
just insane where the debt payments the

02:29:42.720 --> 02:29:47.197
interest payments on the debt
exceed our entire military budget.

02:29:47.280 --> 02:29:49.597
I mean, that's one that was one of the
wakeup calls for me. I was like, "Wait a

02:29:49.680 --> 02:29:51.917
second. The interest on a national debt

02:29:52.000 --> 02:29:55.037
is bigger than the entire the entire

02:29:55.120 --> 02:29:57.117
military budget

02:29:57.200 --> 02:30:03.437
um and growing. Um this is crazy. Um so

02:30:03.520 --> 02:30:06.520
um

02:30:07.840 --> 02:30:11.597
so so even if you implement all these
savings, you're only delaying the day of

02:30:11.680 --> 02:30:14.157
reckoning for when America becomes goes

02:30:14.240 --> 02:30:17.357
bankrupt. So unless you go full

02:30:17.440 --> 02:30:19.357
Genghaskhan, um which you can't really

02:30:19.440 --> 02:30:22.317
do. So

02:30:22.400 --> 02:30:25.277
um

02:30:25.360 --> 02:30:27.757
so I came to the conclusion that the

02:30:27.840 --> 02:30:30.477
only way that the only way to get us out

02:30:30.560 --> 02:30:35.037
of the debt crisis and to prevent
America from going bankrupt is AI and

02:30:35.120 --> 02:30:36.637
robotics.

02:30:36.720 --> 02:30:40.557
So, like we need to grow the economy

02:30:40.640 --> 02:30:42.637
um at

02:30:42.720 --> 02:30:46.957
at a at a at a rate that allows us to u

02:30:47.040 --> 02:30:51.037
to pay off our debt. Um

02:30:51.120 --> 02:30:53.517
and um I I I guess people just generally

02:30:53.600 --> 02:30:57.517
don't appreciate the degree to which um

02:30:57.600 --> 02:31:01.677
you know this the the government
overspending is is a problem. Um but

02:31:01.760 --> 02:31:06.077
even like the social security website,
this is under the Biden administration.

02:31:06.160 --> 02:31:08.237
On the website, it would say like uh we

02:31:08.320 --> 02:31:11.357
based on on current demographic trends

02:31:11.440 --> 02:31:16.077
and um you and and and how much money
social security is bringing in versus

02:31:16.160 --> 02:31:19.117
how many social security recipients
there are because we have an aging

02:31:19.200 --> 02:31:22.797
population. Relatively speaking,
the average age is is increasing. Social

02:31:22.880 --> 02:31:24.797
Security will not be able to ma u

02:31:24.880 --> 02:31:29.837
maintain its full payments
u I think in by 2032

02:31:29.920 --> 02:31:32.557
there. Okay. So they will social
security will have to stop will start

02:31:32.640 --> 02:31:37.677
reducing the the amount of money that
that's been paid people um in in about

02:31:37.760 --> 02:31:41.757
seven years. >> And so the only
way to fix that robotics

02:31:41.840 --> 02:31:45.997
manufacturing raise GDP

02:31:46.080 --> 02:31:47.597
>> you've got to basically uh massively

02:31:47.680 --> 02:31:51.517
increase the um uh economic output which

02:31:51.600 --> 02:31:56.637
is and the only way to do that is AI
AI and robotics. So, so basically we're

02:31:56.720 --> 02:31:58.237
going bankrupt without AI and robotics

02:31:58.320 --> 02:32:02.207
with even with a bunch of savings um

02:32:02.290 --> 02:32:07.197
[snorts] the savings the savings like
reducing uh waste and forward can give

02:32:07.280 --> 02:32:10.797
us a longer runway but it cannot
ultimately pay off our national debt.

02:32:10.880 --> 02:32:14.877
>> So what do you think the solution
is to the jobs that are going to be lost

02:32:14.960 --> 02:32:17.117
because of AI and robotics? The jobs due

02:32:17.200 --> 02:32:20.797
to automation the jobs due to no longer

02:32:20.880 --> 02:32:25.037
do we need human beings to do these jobs
because AI is doing them. Do you think

02:32:25.120 --> 02:32:28.077
it's going to be some sort of a
universal basic income thing? Do you

02:32:28.160 --> 02:32:33.800
think there's going to be some other kind
of solution that has to be implemented

02:32:34.880 --> 02:32:37.997
because a lot of people are
going to be out of work, right?

02:32:38.080 --> 02:32:41.677
Um I think there will be um actually a

02:32:41.760 --> 02:32:46.077
high demand for jobs but not
necessarily the same jobs.

02:32:46.160 --> 02:32:47.837
So

02:32:47.920 --> 02:32:50.237
I mean this is actually this process has

02:32:50.320 --> 02:32:53.917
been happening um throughout um modern

02:32:54.000 --> 02:32:57.277
history. Um I mean there used to be like

02:32:57.360 --> 02:33:02.237
like doing calculations um ma manually
with with like a pencil and paper. It

02:33:02.320 --> 02:33:05.917
used to be a job. So they used to have
like buildings full of people called

02:33:06.000 --> 02:33:08.557
computers where the the banks would like

02:33:08.640 --> 02:33:12.797
all you do all day is is is um you do

02:33:12.880 --> 02:33:15.837
calculations because they didn't have
computers. They didn't they didn't have

02:33:15.920 --> 02:33:18.877
digital didn't have digital
computers that that people

02:33:18.960 --> 02:33:22.157
>> Yeah. Well, it was just people would
just like add and subtract stuff on

02:33:22.240 --> 02:33:26.397
piece of paper and and and that that
would be how banks would do you know

02:33:26.480 --> 02:33:28.557
financial processing >> and you'd
have to literally go over

02:33:28.640 --> 02:33:30.797
their equations to make
sure the books are balanced.

02:33:30.880 --> 02:33:32.237
>> Yeah. And most times it's just simple

02:33:32.320 --> 02:33:35.677
math like you know the like in a world

02:33:35.760 --> 02:33:40.077
before computers how did you calculate
how did you you do transactions? You had

02:33:40.160 --> 02:33:42.557
to do them by hand.

02:33:42.640 --> 02:33:44.637
Um so then when computers were

02:33:44.720 --> 02:33:48.637
introduced the job of doing um you know

02:33:48.720 --> 02:33:51.997
bank calculations no longer existed. Um

02:33:52.080 --> 02:33:54.237
so people had to go do something else.

02:33:54.320 --> 02:33:56.797
Um and that's what's going to happen

02:33:56.880 --> 02:34:01.917
that what's that's what is happening at
an accelerated rate um due to AI and and

02:34:02.000 --> 02:34:04.957
then robotics. That's the issue though,
right? The accelerated rate because it's

02:34:05.040 --> 02:34:06.717
going to be >> it's the accelerator.
It's it's it's

02:34:06.800 --> 02:34:09.437
just happening. Like I said, like AI is

02:34:09.520 --> 02:34:12.877
the supersonic tsunami.

02:34:12.960 --> 02:34:15.597
>> So that's what I call it, supersonic

02:34:15.680 --> 02:34:18.717
tsunami. Um so

02:34:18.800 --> 02:34:21.037
>> it's like what other jobs will be

02:34:21.120 --> 02:34:22.957
available that aren't available now

02:34:23.040 --> 02:34:25.917
because of AI?

02:34:26.000 --> 02:34:29.837
>> Um well AI um will is is really still

02:34:29.920 --> 02:34:32.237
digital. Ultimately, um AI can improve

02:34:32.320 --> 02:34:37.037
the productivity of of humans who who
um build things with their hands or do

02:34:37.120 --> 02:34:40.797
things with their hands like
plum, you know, literally

02:34:40.880 --> 02:34:44.397
welding, electrical work,
plumbing, anything

02:34:44.480 --> 02:34:45.597
that's that's [snorts] physically moving

02:34:45.680 --> 02:34:51.597
atoms. Um like cooking food or um you

02:34:51.680 --> 02:34:54.637
know farming or or like like anything

02:34:54.720 --> 02:34:57.117
that's that's physical uh those jobs

02:34:57.200 --> 02:34:59.517
will exist for a much longer time. But

02:34:59.600 --> 02:35:04.237
anything that is digital uh which
is like just someone at a computer doing

02:35:04.320 --> 02:35:06.237
something, AI is going to take over

02:35:06.320 --> 02:35:11.357
those jobs like lightning,
>> coding, anything along those lines.

02:35:11.440 --> 02:35:13.677
Yeah, [snorts] >> it's going
to take over those jobs like

02:35:13.760 --> 02:35:16.957
lightning. Um just like it just like

02:35:17.040 --> 02:35:19.117
digital computers took over the job of

02:35:19.200 --> 02:35:24.397
people doing manual
calculations but but much faster.

02:35:24.480 --> 02:35:25.837
>> So what happens to all those people?

02:35:25.920 --> 02:35:28.397
Like what kind of numbers are we
talking about? you're going to lose most

02:35:28.480 --> 02:35:30.637
drivers, right? Commercial drivers.

02:35:30.720 --> 02:35:35.277
You're going to have automated vehicles,
AI controlled systems, just like uh

02:35:35.360 --> 02:35:39.357
there's certain ports in China,
I think in Singapore, where everything's

02:35:39.440 --> 02:35:42.717
completely automated.
>> Yeah. Mostly. Yeah. Yeah.

02:35:42.800 --> 02:35:47.117
>> Yeah. So, you're going to lose
a lot of those jobs. Long shoreman jobs,

02:35:47.200 --> 02:35:50.877
trucking, commercial drivers. >> Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, we actually do have

02:35:50.960 --> 02:35:54.557
a shortage of of truck drivers,
but there's there's actually um

02:35:54.640 --> 02:35:57.837
>> Well, that's why California has hired
so many illegals to do it. Have you seen

02:35:57.920 --> 02:36:01.517
those numbers? >> Yeah.
Um I mean, the problem is like

02:36:01.600 --> 02:36:05.117
when you when people don't know how
to drive a semi-truck, which is actually a

02:36:05.200 --> 02:36:08.237
hard thing to do, then they
they crash and kill people.

02:36:08.320 --> 02:36:10.877
>> Yeah. >> Um a friend
of mine's wife was killed by

02:36:10.960 --> 02:36:13.597
an an illegal driving a truck and she

02:36:13.680 --> 02:36:17.357
was just out biking. Um and uh there was

02:36:17.440 --> 02:36:19.037
an illegal he didn't know how to drive

02:36:19.120 --> 02:36:21.197
the truck or so or something. I mean and

02:36:21.280 --> 02:36:25.117
he he ran ran her over.

02:36:25.200 --> 02:36:28.397
Um so I mean like thing is like for

02:36:28.480 --> 02:36:31.677
something like you you can't you can't

02:36:31.760 --> 02:36:35.597
let people drive uh you know

02:36:35.680 --> 02:36:39.597
sort of an 80,000lb semi um if if they

02:36:39.680 --> 02:36:43.037
don't know how to do it.
But in California, they're just letting

02:36:43.120 --> 02:36:45.917
people do it >> because
they need people to do it.

02:36:46.000 --> 02:36:48.397
>> Well, they also
need they want the votes

02:36:48.480 --> 02:36:51.757
and that kind of thing. But um but but

02:36:51.840 --> 02:36:55.277
yeah, like cars are um cars are going to

02:36:55.360 --> 02:36:59.837
be autonomous. Um, but there there's
just so many desk desk jobs where where

02:36:59.920 --> 02:37:03.757
really people what people are doing
is they're processing email um or they're

02:37:03.840 --> 02:37:06.637
answering the phone. Um, and and just

02:37:06.720 --> 02:37:10.797
anything that is that that isn't
moving atoms like anything that is not

02:37:10.880 --> 02:37:13.597
physically like doing physical work that

02:37:13.680 --> 02:37:15.437
will obviously be the first thing those

02:37:15.520 --> 02:37:17.997
jobs will be and are being eliminated by

02:37:18.080 --> 02:37:22.477
by AI at a very rapid pace. Um

02:37:22.560 --> 02:37:24.157
um

02:37:24.240 --> 02:37:26.637
and ultimately

02:37:26.720 --> 02:37:29.837
I working will be optional

02:37:29.920 --> 02:37:33.597
uh because you'll have robots plus AI

02:37:33.680 --> 02:37:36.797
um and we'll have in a benign scenario

02:37:36.880 --> 02:37:38.797
universal high income not just universal

02:37:38.880 --> 02:37:41.517
basic income universal high income

02:37:41.600 --> 02:37:46.077
meaning anyone can have any
products or services that they want.

02:37:46.160 --> 02:37:48.557
So you >> but but there
will be a lot of trauma

02:37:48.640 --> 02:37:51.677
and disruption along the way.

02:37:51.760 --> 02:37:55.517
>> So you anticipate a basic income from

02:37:55.600 --> 02:37:58.157
that that the economy will boost to such

02:37:58.240 --> 02:38:00.877
an extent that a high income would be

02:38:00.960 --> 02:38:02.717
available to almost everybody. So we'd

02:38:02.800 --> 02:38:05.357
essentially eliminate poverty

02:38:05.440 --> 02:38:09.997
>> um in the benign scenario.
Yes. So like the way

02:38:10.080 --> 02:38:11.197
>> there's multiple scenarios.

02:38:11.280 --> 02:38:15.677
>> There are multiple scenarios. There's
a lot of ways this movie can end. Um, like

02:38:15.760 --> 02:38:18.797
the reason I'm so concerned about
AI safety is that like one of the

02:38:18.880 --> 02:38:20.237
possibilities is the Terminator

02:38:20.320 --> 02:38:23.677
scenario. It's not it's not 0%.

02:38:23.760 --> 02:38:25.837
Um, so

02:38:25.920 --> 02:38:29.517
um, that's why it's like I'm like really

02:38:29.600 --> 02:38:31.997
banging the drum on AI needs to be

02:38:32.080 --> 02:38:35.117
maximally truth seeeking. like don't

02:38:35.200 --> 02:38:39.517
make I don't force AI to believe a lie
like that the for example the founding

02:38:39.600 --> 02:38:43.277
fathers were actually a group of diverse
women or that misgendering is worse than

02:38:43.360 --> 02:38:45.437
nuclear war because you if if that's the

02:38:45.520 --> 02:38:47.197
case and then you get the robots and the

02:38:47.280 --> 02:38:51.037
AI becomes omnipotent it can enforce

02:38:51.120 --> 02:38:54.440
that outcome

02:38:55.200 --> 02:38:58.957
and then [clears throat] then like

02:38:59.040 --> 02:39:02.397
unless you're a diverse woman you're
you're out of the picture so we're we're

02:39:02.480 --> 02:39:05.757
toast So that's >> [snorts] >> um
or you might wake up as a diverse

02:39:05.840 --> 02:39:11.517
woman [laughter] one day has
adjusted the picture and and we are

02:39:11.600 --> 02:39:13.997
now >> everyone's a diverse woman. So that

02:39:14.080 --> 02:39:16.717
would be that's the the worst possible

02:39:16.800 --> 02:39:19.597
situation. So what would be the steps

02:39:19.680 --> 02:39:22.157
that we would have to take in order to

02:39:22.240 --> 02:39:25.677
implement the benign solution

02:39:25.760 --> 02:39:27.997
where it's universal high income like

02:39:28.080 --> 02:39:30.477
best case scenario this is the path

02:39:30.560 --> 02:39:34.397
forward to universal high income for

02:39:34.480 --> 02:39:37.037
essentially every single citizen that

02:39:37.120 --> 02:39:40.877
the the economy gets boosted by AI and

02:39:40.960 --> 02:39:43.357
robotics to such an extent that no one

02:39:43.440 --> 02:39:48.397
ever has to work again and what about
meaning for those people which is which

02:39:48.480 --> 02:39:53.597
gets really weird. >> Yeah.
>> I don't know how to answer the question

02:39:53.680 --> 02:39:57.117
about meaning. Um >> that's
an individual problem, right? But

02:39:57.200 --> 02:39:58.477
it's going to be an individual problem

02:39:58.560 --> 02:40:05.240
for millions of people. >> Yeah.

02:40:06.560 --> 02:40:09.997
Well, I I mean I I I guess I've like for

02:40:10.080 --> 02:40:14.397
fought against saying like, you know,
I you know, I've been I've been a voice

02:40:14.480 --> 02:40:17.357
saying like, "Hey, we need to slow
down AI. we need to slow down all these

02:40:17.440 --> 02:40:21.357
things. Um, and and we need to, you

02:40:21.440 --> 02:40:23.357
know, not not have a crazy AI race. I've

02:40:23.440 --> 02:40:24.877
been saying that for a long time, for 20

02:40:24.960 --> 02:40:28.477
20 plus years. Um, but but then I, you

02:40:28.560 --> 02:40:30.717
know, I came to realize that, um, really

02:40:30.800 --> 02:40:33.117
there's two choices here. Either be a

02:40:33.200 --> 02:40:35.917
spectator or a or a participant. And if

02:40:36.000 --> 02:40:40.157
I'm a, if I'm a spectator, I can't
really influence the direction of AI.

02:40:40.240 --> 02:40:43.837
But if I'm a participant, I can try to
influence the direction of AI and have a

02:40:43.920 --> 02:40:49.277
maximally truth seeeking AI with with
good values that uh loves humanity. And

02:40:49.360 --> 02:40:54.237
that's what we're trying to create
with Grock at XAI. And um you know, the

02:40:54.320 --> 02:40:55.677
research is I think bearing this out.

02:40:55.760 --> 02:40:59.757
Like I said, the when they when they
compared like how do AIs value the

02:40:59.840 --> 02:41:04.637
weight of a human life? Um Grock
was the only one the only one of

02:41:04.720 --> 02:41:07.997
the AIS that weighted human life equally.

02:41:08.080 --> 02:41:10.157
um and and didn't and didn't say like a

02:41:10.240 --> 02:41:13.597
white guy's uh worth 120th of a of a of

02:41:13.680 --> 02:41:19.277
a a black woman's life. Literally,
that's what they they calculation they

02:41:19.360 --> 02:41:21.837
came up with. >> So, I'm like,
this is I'm like, this is

02:41:21.920 --> 02:41:23.757
very alarming. We should
we got to watch this stuff.

02:41:23.840 --> 02:41:28.317
>> So, this is one of the things that has
to happen in order to reach this benign

02:41:28.400 --> 02:41:30.717
solution.

02:41:30.800 --> 02:41:33.517
>> Yeah. We we we I I just keep

02:41:33.600 --> 02:41:36.557
>> Best movie ending. Yeah. Um, you you

02:41:36.640 --> 02:41:40.237
want a a curious truth seeeking AI. Um,

02:41:40.320 --> 02:41:42.157
and I think a curious truth seeeking AI

02:41:42.240 --> 02:41:45.197
will want to foster humanity. Uh,

02:41:45.280 --> 02:41:49.277
because we're much more interesting than

02:41:49.360 --> 02:41:51.757
um a bunch of rocks. Like you say, like

02:41:51.840 --> 02:41:55.197
like I I love Mars, you know, but but

02:41:55.280 --> 02:41:59.597
Mars is kind of boring. Like it's just
a bunch of red rocks. Um, it does some

02:41:59.680 --> 02:42:00.877
cool stuff. It's got a tall mountain.

02:42:00.960 --> 02:42:03.837
It's got, you know, it's got the biggest
re the biggest ravine and the tallest

02:42:03.920 --> 02:42:06.637
mountain. Um, but there's no there's no

02:42:06.720 --> 02:42:10.077
there's no animals or plants or and and

02:42:10.160 --> 02:42:14.077
there's no people. Um, and uh, you know,

02:42:14.160 --> 02:42:15.917
so humanity is just much more

02:42:16.000 --> 02:42:17.997
interesting if you're a curious truth

02:42:18.080 --> 02:42:21.277
seeeking AI than not humanity. It's just

02:42:21.360 --> 02:42:25.757
much more interesting. Um, I mean like

02:42:25.840 --> 02:42:31.037
as as humans, we could go for example
and and eliminate all chimps. If we said

02:42:31.120 --> 02:42:34.397
if we put our minds to it, we could say
we could go out and we could annihilate

02:42:34.480 --> 02:42:39.677
all chimps and all gorillas, but but we
don't. Um there has been encroachment on

02:42:39.760 --> 02:42:41.357
their environment, but we we actually

02:42:41.440 --> 02:42:45.037
try to preserve uh the the uh chimp and

02:42:45.120 --> 02:42:48.077
gorilla habitats. Um

02:42:48.160 --> 02:42:51.997
and um and I think in a good scenario,

02:42:52.080 --> 02:42:53.517
uh AI would do the same with with

02:42:53.600 --> 02:42:57.437
humans. it would actually foster uh

02:42:57.520 --> 02:43:01.357
human civilization and care
about human happiness.

02:43:01.440 --> 02:43:04.237
So this is um this is the thing to to

02:43:04.320 --> 02:43:07.997
try to achieve I think. Um,

02:43:08.080 --> 02:43:12.397
>> but what is the what does the landscape
look like if you have Grock competing

02:43:12.480 --> 02:43:14.477
with Open AI, competing with all these

02:43:14.560 --> 02:43:16.477
different like

02:43:16.560 --> 02:43:21.277
how does it work? Like what what if you

02:43:21.360 --> 02:43:23.837
have AIs that have been captured by

02:43:23.920 --> 02:43:25.997
ideologies that are side by side

02:43:26.080 --> 02:43:30.477
competing with Grock? like how do we so

02:43:30.560 --> 02:43:31.997
this is one of the reasons why you felt

02:43:32.080 --> 02:43:36.637
like it's important to not just be a an

02:43:36.720 --> 02:43:39.437
observer but participate and then have

02:43:39.520 --> 02:43:42.717
Grock be more successful and more potent

02:43:42.800 --> 02:43:45.037
than these other applications. Yes, as

02:43:45.120 --> 02:43:47.357
long as there's at least one AI that is

02:43:47.440 --> 02:43:50.557
maximally truth seeeking, curious, and

02:43:50.640 --> 02:43:53.197
um you know, and for example, weighs all

02:43:53.280 --> 02:43:55.917
you know, human lives equally um does

02:43:56.000 --> 02:43:59.757
not favor one race or gender, then um

02:43:59.840 --> 02:44:04.397
then then that that that and and people
are able to look at look at, you know,

02:44:04.480 --> 02:44:06.477
Grock at XAI and compare that and say,

02:44:06.560 --> 02:44:08.397
"Wait a second, why are all these other

02:44:08.480 --> 02:44:11.677
AIs uh being basically sexist and

02:44:11.760 --> 02:44:13.917
racist?" Um

02:44:14.000 --> 02:44:17.437
um and uh then then that that causes

02:44:17.520 --> 02:44:22.477
some embarrassment for the the other
AIS and then they they they they fix they

02:44:22.560 --> 02:44:26.557
you know they they improve they tend to
improve just in the in the same way that

02:44:26.640 --> 02:44:29.197
um acquiring Twitter and allowing the

02:44:29.280 --> 02:44:31.437
truth to be told and and not suppressing

02:44:31.520 --> 02:44:35.037
the truth um forced the other social

02:44:35.120 --> 02:44:37.757
media companies to be more truthful um

02:44:37.840 --> 02:44:42.077
by in in the same way having um Gro be a

02:44:42.160 --> 02:44:45.597
maximally truth seeeking, curious AI is

02:44:45.680 --> 02:44:49.517
will force the other AI companies to um

02:44:49.600 --> 02:44:51.917
be also be more truth seeeking and fair.

02:44:52.000 --> 02:44:56.157
>> And the funniest thing is even though
like the socialists and the Marxists are

02:44:56.240 --> 02:44:58.557
in opposition to a lot of your ideas,

02:44:58.640 --> 02:45:00.797
but if this gets implemented and you

02:45:00.880 --> 02:45:03.677
really can achieve universal high

02:45:03.760 --> 02:45:06.557
income, that's the greatest socialist

02:45:06.640 --> 02:45:09.197
solution of all time. Like literally no

02:45:09.280 --> 02:45:13.037
one will have to work. Uh correct. Um

02:45:13.120 --> 02:45:16.877
like I said so so there is a benign
scenario here which I think probably

02:45:16.960 --> 02:45:21.517
people will be happy with if if as long
as we we achieve it which is sustainable

02:45:21.600 --> 02:45:26.557
abundance. um which is if
if um if everyone can

02:45:26.640 --> 02:45:29.837
have every like like like if if you ask
people like what's the future that you

02:45:29.920 --> 02:45:31.117
want

02:45:31.200 --> 02:45:35.437
>> um and uh I think a future where we

02:45:35.520 --> 02:45:38.477
haven't destroyed nature like you can
still we have the national parks we have

02:45:38.560 --> 02:45:42.477
the the Amazon rainforest still still
there we haven't paved we haven't paved

02:45:42.560 --> 02:45:45.277
the paved the rainforest like the

02:45:45.360 --> 02:45:47.357
natural beauty is still there but but

02:45:47.440 --> 02:45:52.477
people have nonetheless everyone has
abundance everyone has excellent medical

02:45:52.560 --> 02:45:55.277
care. Everyone has whatever
goods and services they want.

02:45:55.360 --> 02:45:57.677
>> And we just >> It kind
of sounds like heaven.

02:45:57.760 --> 02:45:59.917
>> It sounds like it is like the ideal

02:46:00.000 --> 02:46:04.077
socialist utopia. And this idea that the

02:46:04.160 --> 02:46:08.077
only thing you should be doing with
your time is working in order to pay your

02:46:08.160 --> 02:46:13.037
bills and feed yourself sounds kind
of archaic considering the kind of

02:46:13.120 --> 02:46:14.877
technology that's at play. >> Yeah.

02:46:14.960 --> 02:46:18.557
>> Like a world where that's not your

02:46:18.640 --> 02:46:21.117
concern at all anymore. Everybody has

02:46:21.200 --> 02:46:23.597
money for food. Everybody has abundance.

02:46:23.680 --> 02:46:25.597
Everybody has electronics in their home.

02:46:25.680 --> 02:46:28.877
Everybody essentially has a high income.

02:46:28.960 --> 02:46:30.797
Now you can kind of do whatever you

02:46:30.880 --> 02:46:35.037
want. And your day can now be exploring

02:46:35.120 --> 02:46:37.437
your interests doing things that you

02:46:37.520 --> 02:46:40.077
actually enjoy doing. Your purpose just

02:46:40.160 --> 02:46:43.117
has to shift. Instead of, you know, I'm

02:46:43.200 --> 02:46:45.357
a hard worker and this is what I do and

02:46:45.440 --> 02:46:47.357
that's how I that's how I define myself.

02:46:47.440 --> 02:46:50.797
No. Now you can [__] golf all day,

02:46:50.880 --> 02:46:56.557
you know? You can whatever it is that you
enjoy doing can now be your main pursuit.

02:46:56.640 --> 02:47:00.237
>> Yeah. >> Well, that sounds crazy good.

02:47:00.320 --> 02:47:03.437
>> Yeah, that's that's that's
the benign scenario that we should be.

02:47:03.520 --> 02:47:05.437
>> The best ending
to the movie is actually

02:47:05.520 --> 02:47:07.677
pretty good.

02:47:07.760 --> 02:47:11.117
>> Yes. um like I think there's there is

02:47:11.200 --> 02:47:13.277
still this question of meaning um of

02:47:13.360 --> 02:47:16.397
like making sure people don't

02:47:16.480 --> 02:47:20.957
uh lose meaning you know like um so
hopefully they can find meaning in ways

02:47:21.040 --> 02:47:23.597
that are not that that's
not derived from their work

02:47:23.680 --> 02:47:28.077
>> and purpose purpose for things that you
you know find things that you do that

02:47:28.160 --> 02:47:31.997
you enjoy but there's a lot of people
that are independently wealthy that

02:47:32.080 --> 02:47:35.757
spend most of their time doing
something they enjoy >> right

02:47:35.840 --> 02:47:39.597
>> and that could be the majority
of people >> pretty much everyone.

02:47:39.680 --> 02:47:42.717
>> But we'd have to rewire
how people approach life.

02:47:42.800 --> 02:47:46.157
>> Mhm. >> Which seems
to be like acceptable

02:47:46.240 --> 02:47:50.157
because you're not asking them to be
enslaved. You're exactly asking them the

02:47:50.240 --> 02:47:52.717
opposite. Like no longer be burdened by

02:47:52.800 --> 02:47:58.877
financial worries.
Now go do what you like.

02:47:58.960 --> 02:48:02.237
>> Yes. >> Go [__] test pizza.

02:48:02.320 --> 02:48:03.277
>> Do whatever you want.

02:48:03.360 --> 02:48:08.237
>> Um pretty much. Um, so that's uh that's

02:48:08.320 --> 02:48:11.357
that's the that's the that's
probably the best case outcome.

02:48:11.440 --> 02:48:15.677
>> That sounds like the best case outcome
period for the future. If you're looking

02:48:15.760 --> 02:48:17.517
at like how much people have struggled

02:48:17.600 --> 02:48:19.597
just to feed themselves all throughout

02:48:19.680 --> 02:48:23.757
history, food, shelter, safety, if all

02:48:23.840 --> 02:48:26.797
of that stuff can be fixed, like how

02:48:26.880 --> 02:48:30.477
much would you solve a lot of the crime

02:48:30.560 --> 02:48:33.197
if there was a universal high income?

02:48:33.280 --> 02:48:37.597
Just think of that. Like how much
of crime is financially motivated? You

02:48:37.680 --> 02:48:41.597
know, the greater percentage of people
that are committing crimes live in poor,

02:48:41.680 --> 02:48:43.597
disenfranchised neighborhoods.

02:48:43.680 --> 02:48:48.317
>> So if there's no such thing anymore,
if you really can achieve universal high

02:48:48.400 --> 02:48:49.437
income, >> yeah,

02:48:49.520 --> 02:48:52.717
>> that this is it sounds like a utopian.

02:48:52.800 --> 02:48:56.797
>> Yes. Um I think some people may
commit crime because they like committing

02:48:56.880 --> 02:49:01.597
crime. It just some some amount of that
is they just >> wild people out there.

02:49:01.680 --> 02:49:05.357
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um >> and obviously
they've become 40 years

02:49:05.440 --> 02:49:09.917
old living a life like that. Now all
of a sudden universal high income is not

02:49:10.000 --> 02:49:11.597
going to completely stop their instincts.

02:49:11.680 --> 02:49:15.357
>> Yeah. Um I mean I guess if you want
to have like like say read a science

02:49:15.440 --> 02:49:17.677
fiction book or some books that that are

02:49:17.760 --> 02:49:21.117
probably an accurate or or the the least

02:49:21.200 --> 02:49:25.357
inaccurate version of the future.
I'd say I' I'd recommend um the Ian Banks

02:49:25.440 --> 02:49:29.677
books called the the culture books. It's
not actually a series. It's a It's like

02:49:29.760 --> 02:49:32.317
ai sci-fi books about the future.

02:49:32.400 --> 02:49:36.637
They're generally called the culture
books. Yen Banks culture books. It's

02:49:36.720 --> 02:49:39.197
worth reading those.
>> When did he write these?

02:49:39.280 --> 02:49:41.117
>> He started writing them in the 70s. Um

02:49:41.200 --> 02:49:43.197
and I think he

02:49:43.280 --> 02:49:48.157
um the last one I think he was I think
it was written just like around I don't

02:49:48.240 --> 02:49:51.997
know maybe 2010 or something.
I'm not sure exactly.

02:49:52.080 --> 02:49:56.397
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Scottish
author Ian Banks from 87 to 2012.

02:49:56.480 --> 02:49:58.397
>> Yeah. Interesting.

02:49:58.480 --> 02:50:01.117
>> But he but like he wrote the the like

02:50:01.200 --> 02:50:07.720
his first book, Consider Flever.
Like he started writing that in the 70s.

02:50:09.040 --> 02:50:10.717
>> These books are incredible, by the way.

02:50:10.800 --> 02:50:16.717
>> Oh, >> incredible books.
>> 4.6 stars on Amazon.

02:50:16.800 --> 02:50:22.237
>> Interesting. >> So, um,
>> so this gives me hope.

02:50:22.320 --> 02:50:24.077
>> Uh, yeah. Yeah. >> This is
the first time I've ever thought

02:50:24.160 --> 02:50:25.677
about it this way.

02:50:25.760 --> 02:50:29.357
>> Yeah. Well, I mean,

02:50:29.440 --> 02:50:33.437
if like I often ask people,
"What is the future

02:50:33.520 --> 02:50:36.797
that you want?" And they have to think
about it for a second cuz, you know,

02:50:36.880 --> 02:50:39.037
they're usually tied up in whatever the

02:50:39.120 --> 02:50:41.677
daily struggles are. But, but you say,

02:50:41.760 --> 02:50:45.117
"What is the future that you want?" Um,

02:50:45.200 --> 02:50:49.197
and um, and generally sustainable
abundance, what do these folks say,

02:50:49.280 --> 02:50:50.317
"What about a future where there's

02:50:50.400 --> 02:50:51.677
sustainable abundance?" Like, "Oh, yeah,

02:50:51.760 --> 02:50:58.040
that's a pretty good future." Um so um

02:50:58.240 --> 02:51:02.877
you know if if and and and that
that future is attainable with AI and

02:51:02.960 --> 02:51:04.397
robotics

02:51:04.480 --> 02:51:07.917
um but but you know it's it's like I

02:51:08.000 --> 02:51:10.077
said there's not every path is a good

02:51:10.160 --> 02:51:13.677
path. uh there's this it's but I think

02:51:13.760 --> 02:51:17.917
if we if we push it in the direction of

02:51:18.000 --> 02:51:21.597
um maximally truth seeeking and curious

02:51:21.680 --> 02:51:25.837
then I think AI will want to take to to

02:51:25.920 --> 02:51:28.157
take care of humanity and foster uh

02:51:28.240 --> 02:51:32.477
foster humanity um

02:51:32.560 --> 02:51:35.197
because we're interesting

02:51:35.280 --> 02:51:38.317
um and if it hasn't been programmed to

02:51:38.400 --> 02:51:42.957
think that like all straight
white male should die, [laughter]

02:51:43.040 --> 02:51:47.277
which Gemini was basically programmed to
do at least at first. Um, you know, they

02:51:47.360 --> 02:51:49.277
seem to have fixed it.
I hope they fixed it.

02:51:49.360 --> 02:51:51.597
>> But don't you think
culturally [laughter]

02:51:51.680 --> 02:51:55.997
like, oh, we're getting away from that
mindset and that people realize how

02:51:56.080 --> 02:51:58.077
preposterous that all is.

02:51:58.160 --> 02:52:00.957
>> We are getting away from it. Um,

02:52:01.040 --> 02:52:04.237
so, uh, we are getting at least it knows

02:52:04.320 --> 02:52:08.397
the AI mostly knows to hide things.
But like like I said, there is that I I

02:52:08.480 --> 02:52:12.877
think I still have that as or I had
that as my like pinned post on X which was

02:52:12.960 --> 02:52:15.037
like uh hey wait a second guys we still

02:52:15.120 --> 02:52:18.637
have every AI except Grock uh is saying

02:52:18.720 --> 02:52:21.197
that uh basically straight white male

02:52:21.280 --> 02:52:23.677
should die um and this is a problem and

02:52:23.760 --> 02:52:26.957
we should fix it. um [snorts]

02:52:27.040 --> 02:52:28.797
and you know but simply me saying that

02:52:28.880 --> 02:52:33.677
is like tends to generally result in um

02:52:33.760 --> 02:52:36.157
you know them like that is kind of bad.

02:52:36.240 --> 02:52:37.837
Uh maybe we should just we should not

02:52:37.920 --> 02:52:40.557
have all straight white males die. Um I

02:52:40.640 --> 02:52:43.277
think they say also all all straight

02:52:43.360 --> 02:52:45.117
Asian males should also die as well.

02:52:45.200 --> 02:52:48.237
like that like uh

02:52:48.320 --> 02:52:52.957
like generally [laughter] the generally
the AI and the and the media which which

02:52:53.040 --> 02:52:55.037
back back in the day the

02:52:55.120 --> 02:52:59.837
the media was um you know racist against

02:52:59.920 --> 02:53:02.317
uh black people and sexist against women

02:53:02.400 --> 02:53:04.877
back in the day. Now now it is racist

02:53:04.960 --> 02:53:08.077
against uh white people and Asians and

02:53:08.160 --> 02:53:13.117
sexist against men. >> Um so
they just like being racist and

02:53:13.200 --> 02:53:14.557
sexist. I think they just want to change

02:53:14.640 --> 02:53:18.797
the target. [laughter] Um so uh but but

02:53:18.880 --> 02:53:24.717
really they just shouldn't be uh
racist and sexist at all. Um you know

02:53:24.800 --> 02:53:25.757
>> ideally that would be nice.

02:53:25.840 --> 02:53:29.277
>> That would be nice. Um, and it's kind
of crazy that we were kind of moving in

02:53:29.360 --> 02:53:32.157
that general direction till around 2012

02:53:32.240 --> 02:53:36.477
>> and then everything ramped up online
and and everybody was accused of being a

02:53:36.560 --> 02:53:41.037
Nazi and everybody was transphobic
and racist and sexist and homophobic and

02:53:41.120 --> 02:53:45.277
everything got exaggerated to the point
where it was this wild witch hunt where

02:53:45.360 --> 02:53:48.237
everyone was a colomo looking for racism.

02:53:48.320 --> 02:53:52.557
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Um, well
well but but but they they were openly

02:53:52.640 --> 02:53:54.797
anti-white and often openly anti-Asian.

02:53:54.880 --> 02:53:56.717
And then this new sentiment that you

02:53:56.800 --> 02:53:58.717
cannot be racist against white people

02:53:58.800 --> 02:54:03.437
cuz racism is power and influence.

02:54:03.520 --> 02:54:05.437
>> Okay. No, it's not.

02:54:05.520 --> 02:54:07.517
>> Yeah. Racism is is is racism in the

02:54:07.600 --> 02:54:11.917
absolute. Um so um you know and there

02:54:12.000 --> 02:54:14.157
just needs to be consistency. So if it's

02:54:14.240 --> 02:54:18.877
okay to have uh let's say uh black or

02:54:18.960 --> 02:54:21.597
Asian or Indian or pride, it should be

02:54:21.680 --> 02:54:23.197
okay to have white pride, too.

02:54:23.280 --> 02:54:26.717
>> Yeah. Um, so that's
just a that's just a

02:54:26.800 --> 02:54:31.517
consistency question. Um, so, uh, you

02:54:31.600 --> 02:54:35.677
know, um, if it if it's okay to be proud
of one religion, it should be okay to be

02:54:35.760 --> 02:54:39.437
proud of, I I guess all religions
provided they're that they're they're

02:54:39.520 --> 02:54:43.357
not like oppressive. >> Yeah.
Or or or don't like as long as

02:54:43.440 --> 02:54:46.957
part of that religion is not like
exterminating uh people who are not in

02:54:47.040 --> 02:54:51.917
that religion type, >> right? Um so uh

02:54:52.000 --> 02:54:53.917
it's really just like a consistency

02:54:54.000 --> 02:54:56.957
bias. Um

02:54:57.040 --> 02:55:01.357
or or just like uh ensuring consistency

02:55:01.440 --> 02:55:05.517
to eliminate uh bias. Um so if it is

02:55:05.600 --> 02:55:09.517
possible to be uh racist against

02:55:09.600 --> 02:55:13.517
uh one race, it is possible
to be racist against any race.

02:55:13.600 --> 02:55:16.717
Um so >> of course logically. >> Yes.

02:55:16.800 --> 02:55:19.597
>> Yeah. and arguing against that is
that's when you know you're catching

02:55:19.680 --> 02:55:24.157
>> it's a it's a logical
inconsistency that makes AIS go insane

02:55:24.240 --> 02:55:26.477
>> and people [clears throat]
>> and people go insane. Yes.

02:55:26.560 --> 02:55:30.637
>> Um >> but like the the

02:55:30.720 --> 02:55:33.117
like like you can't simultaneously say

02:55:33.200 --> 02:55:37.117
um that uh there's the systemic uh

02:55:37.200 --> 02:55:41.837
racist oppression but also
that races don't exist

02:55:41.920 --> 02:55:45.277
that that race race is a social construct.

02:55:45.360 --> 02:55:48.557
like which is it? You know, um you also

02:55:48.640 --> 02:55:51.437
can't say that um you know, anyone who

02:55:51.520 --> 02:55:53.277
steps foot in America is is

02:55:53.360 --> 02:55:58.637
automatically an American except
for the people that originally came here.

02:55:58.720 --> 02:56:03.117
[laughter] >> Exactly. Exactly.
Except for the colonizers.

02:56:03.200 --> 02:56:06.077
>> Yeah. Except for the evil
colonizers who came here, >> right?

02:56:06.160 --> 02:56:10.477
>> So which one is it? Like if you if as
soon as you step foot put in a place you

02:56:10.560 --> 02:56:13.757
are that you are just
as American as everyone else

02:56:13.840 --> 02:56:17.757
>> then um that would have appi if
you apply that consistently then the

02:56:17.840 --> 02:56:22.797
original white settlers were also
just as American as everyone else.

02:56:22.880 --> 02:56:26.797
>> Yeah. Logically. >> Logically.
Um, one more thing that I

02:56:26.880 --> 02:56:28.077
have to talk to you about before you

02:56:28.160 --> 02:56:31.037
leave is the rescuing of the people from

02:56:31.120 --> 02:56:34.077
the space station, which, uh, we talked

02:56:34.160 --> 02:56:37.037
about, you were planning it the last

02:56:37.120 --> 02:56:38.477
time you were here.

02:56:38.560 --> 02:56:43.517
>> Um, the f the lack
of coverage that that

02:56:43.600 --> 02:56:47.437
got in mainstream media was one
of the most shocking things that

02:56:47.520 --> 02:56:49.597
>> Yeah, they totally
memoryhold that thing.

02:56:49.680 --> 02:56:53.517
>> Wild. Yes. Because if it wasn't,
>> it's like it didn't exist. Those people

02:56:53.600 --> 02:56:55.997
would be dead. They'd be stuck up there.

02:56:56.080 --> 02:56:59.837
>> Well, they'd they'd probably still be
alive, but they'd they'd be having bone

02:56:59.920 --> 02:57:03.517
density issues uh because
of prolonged exposure to zero gravity.

02:57:03.600 --> 02:57:05.677
>> Well, they were already up
there for like 8 months, right?

02:57:05.760 --> 02:57:08.397
>> Yeah. >> Which is an
insanely long time. It takes

02:57:08.480 --> 02:57:11.037
forever to recover just from that.

02:57:11.120 --> 02:57:12.397
>> Yeah. They're only
supposed to be at the

02:57:12.480 --> 02:57:15.517
space station for 3 to 6 months maximum.

02:57:15.600 --> 02:57:17.357
So, >> one of the things
you told me that was

02:57:17.440 --> 02:57:20.877
so crazy was that you could
have gotten them sooner, but

02:57:20.960 --> 02:57:23.517
>> Yeah.
But for political reasons, uh they

02:57:23.600 --> 02:57:26.877
didn't they did not want uh SpaceX or me

02:57:26.960 --> 02:57:28.957
to be associated with um returning the

02:57:29.040 --> 02:57:32.157
astronauts before the election.

02:57:32.240 --> 02:57:36.317
>> That is so wild that that's a fact.

02:57:36.400 --> 02:57:39.597
>> First of all, that >> we
absolutely could have done it. Um so,

02:57:39.680 --> 02:57:43.037
>> but even though you did do it and you
did it after the election, it received

02:57:43.120 --> 02:57:45.517
almost no media coverage anyway.

02:57:45.600 --> 02:57:48.317
>> Yes. because nothing good can the the

02:57:48.400 --> 02:57:50.877
the media which is essentially a far

02:57:50.960 --> 02:57:52.557
left prop the legacy mainstream media is

02:57:52.640 --> 02:57:55.517
a far-lft propaganda machine. Um and so

02:57:55.600 --> 02:57:57.997
anything any story that is positive

02:57:58.080 --> 02:58:00.397
about someone who is not part of the

02:58:00.480 --> 02:58:05.197
sort of far-left tribe will
not uh get any coverage.

02:58:05.280 --> 02:58:09.757
>> I I could save a busload of orphans
and and it it wouldn't get a single news

02:58:09.840 --> 02:58:13.917
story. >> Yeah, it's it
really is nuts. It it was

02:58:14.000 --> 02:58:18.317
nuts to watch because even though it
was discussed on podcasts and it was

02:58:18.400 --> 02:58:20.317
discussed on X and it was discussed on

02:58:20.400 --> 02:58:23.837
social media, it's still it was a blip

02:58:23.920 --> 02:58:26.397
in the news cycle. It was very quick. It

02:58:26.480 --> 02:58:31.517
was in and out and because it was a su
successful launch and you did rescue

02:58:31.600 --> 02:58:34.957
those people, nobody got hurt and there
was nothing really to there was no blood

02:58:35.040 --> 02:58:38.397
to talk about, >> right?
>> Just [__] in and out.

02:58:38.480 --> 02:58:39.837
>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
Well, and and as

02:58:39.920 --> 02:58:42.157
as you saw firsthand with the Starship

02:58:42.240 --> 02:58:47.677
launch, like Starship is um you know by

02:58:47.760 --> 02:58:49.837
you know at least by some some would

02:58:49.920 --> 02:58:52.797
consider it to be like the most amazing

02:58:52.880 --> 02:58:57.277
uh you know engineering project that's
happening on Earth right now outside of

02:58:57.360 --> 02:58:59.117
like you know maybe AI or AI and

02:58:59.200 --> 02:59:01.117
robotics but but certainly in terms of a

02:59:01.200 --> 02:59:05.357
spectacle to see it is uh the most

02:59:05.440 --> 02:59:08.877
spectacular thing that is
happening on earth right now

02:59:08.960 --> 02:59:11.437
is the Starship launch program which

02:59:11.520 --> 02:59:13.357
anyone can go and see if they just go to

02:59:13.440 --> 02:59:15.917
South Texas and just they can just rent

02:59:16.000 --> 02:59:20.557
a hotel room low cost in South Padre
Island or in Brownsville and you can see

02:59:20.640 --> 02:59:23.997
the launch and you can drive right
right past the factory because it's on a

02:59:24.080 --> 02:59:28.717
public highway. Um but it gets no coverage

02:59:28.800 --> 02:59:32.717
or what coverage it does get
was like a rocket blew up coverage,

02:59:32.800 --> 02:59:36.637
>> right? Yeah. Oh, he's a [__] The rocket
blew up. like the the the the Star Sasha

02:59:36.720 --> 02:59:39.037
program is vastly

02:59:39.120 --> 02:59:41.997
>> vastly more capable than the entire

02:59:42.080 --> 02:59:44.717
Apollo moon moon program. Vastly more

02:59:44.800 --> 02:59:48.077
capable. This is a spaceship that is

02:59:48.160 --> 02:59:52.077
designed to make life multilanetary to

02:59:52.160 --> 02:59:55.917
carry uh millions of people across the

02:59:56.000 --> 02:59:59.517
heavens to another planet.

02:59:59.600 --> 03:00:02.397
the the Apollo program could could only

03:00:02.480 --> 03:00:04.397
send astronauts to the moon for a few

03:00:04.480 --> 03:00:09.597
hours at a time.
Like they could send two the entire

03:00:09.680 --> 03:00:12.877
Apollo program could only send
astronauts to visit the moon very

03:00:12.960 --> 03:00:17.037
briefly and then for a few
hours and then depart.

03:00:17.120 --> 03:00:19.437
The starship program could create an

03:00:19.520 --> 03:00:23.197
entire uh lunar base with a million

03:00:23.280 --> 03:00:27.357
people. You understand
the mag the magnitudes are

03:00:27.440 --> 03:00:30.477
>> there's different very
different magnitudes here.

03:00:30.560 --> 03:00:34.717
>> So what was the political >>
basically no no coverage of it.

03:00:34.800 --> 03:00:36.797
>> Yeah. But what I wanted to ask you is

03:00:36.880 --> 03:00:39.837
like what so what were the conversations

03:00:39.920 --> 03:00:44.717
leading up to the rescue like when
you were like I can get them out way

03:00:44.800 --> 03:00:49.437
quicker. >> Yeah. Um

03:00:49.520 --> 03:00:54.077
um well I mean you know I raised this
a few times but it was the I was told

03:00:54.160 --> 03:00:58.477
instructions came from the White House
that uh you know that that there should

03:00:58.560 --> 03:01:03.000
be no attempt to rescue
before the election.

03:01:03.280 --> 03:01:05.837
>> That should be illegal.

03:01:05.920 --> 03:01:10.957
>> That that that really should be
a horrendous miscarriage of justice for

03:01:11.040 --> 03:01:13.757
those poor people that were stuck on that.

03:01:13.840 --> 03:01:17.597
>> Um yeah it it is it is crazy. Um,
>> have you ever talked to those folks

03:01:17.680 --> 03:01:20.477
afterwards? Did you have
conversations with them?

03:01:20.560 --> 03:01:23.517
>> Yeah. I mean, they they're they're not
going to say anything political to, you

03:01:23.600 --> 03:01:26.237
know, they're not like they're
never going to >> say thank you.

03:01:26.320 --> 03:01:27.997
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, that's nice.

03:01:28.080 --> 03:01:30.717
>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So, um,

03:01:30.800 --> 03:01:33.037
>> but the instructions came down from the

03:01:33.120 --> 03:01:35.197
White House. He cannot rescue them

03:01:35.280 --> 03:01:40.157
because politically this
is a a bad hand of cards.

03:01:40.240 --> 03:01:43.277
>> I mean, they didn't say because
politically it's a bad hand of cards.

03:01:43.360 --> 03:01:45.757
They they just said uh they were they

03:01:45.840 --> 03:01:51.960
were not interested in uh any
rescue operation before the election.

03:01:53.520 --> 03:01:56.077
>> Yeah. So >> what did that feel like?

03:01:56.160 --> 03:01:59.597
>> I wasn't surprised. >> But it's crazy.

03:01:59.680 --> 03:02:03.037
>> Yeah, >> because Biden
could have authorized it

03:02:03.120 --> 03:02:06.397
and they could have said the the Biden
administration is helping bring those

03:02:06.480 --> 03:02:10.077
people back, throw you a little funding,
give you some money to do it. the Biden

03:02:10.160 --> 03:02:14.157
administration, they funded
these people being returned.

03:02:14.240 --> 03:02:15.917
>> Uh yeah, the Biden administration was

03:02:16.000 --> 03:02:17.917
not exactly my best friend,

03:02:18.000 --> 03:02:21.677
>> especially especially after I um you

03:02:21.760 --> 03:02:25.437
know, you know,
helped Trump get elected get

03:02:25.520 --> 03:02:27.997
get elected, which I mean some people

03:02:28.080 --> 03:02:30.717
>> still think, you know,
Trump is like the

03:02:30.800 --> 03:02:34.237
the devil basically. Um, and I mean I

03:02:34.320 --> 03:02:36.717
think I think Trump actually he's not

03:02:36.800 --> 03:02:39.997
he's is not perfect, but but uh he's not

03:02:40.080 --> 03:02:43.197
evil. Trump is not evil. I spent a lot

03:02:43.280 --> 03:02:45.997
of time with with him and he's

03:02:46.080 --> 03:02:51.357
>> I mean he's a product of his time.
Uh but he is not he's not evil.

03:02:51.440 --> 03:02:54.317
>> Um >> no, I don't
think he's evil either. But

03:02:54.400 --> 03:02:57.917
if you look at the media coverage,
>> the media the media treason like he's

03:02:58.000 --> 03:03:02.877
super evil. It's pretty shocking if you
look at the amount of negative coverage.

03:03:02.960 --> 03:03:04.637
Like one of the things that I looked at

03:03:04.720 --> 03:03:06.717
the other day was mainstream media

03:03:06.800 --> 03:03:10.797
coverage of you, Trump, a bunch of

03:03:10.880 --> 03:03:12.637
different public figures and then

03:03:12.720 --> 03:03:15.037
>> 96% negative or something crazy

03:03:15.120 --> 03:03:18.157
>> and then Mum Donnie, which is like 95%

03:03:18.240 --> 03:03:19.677
positive,

03:03:19.760 --> 03:03:24.397
>> right? Um I mean Manny is is is is a

03:03:24.480 --> 03:03:28.157
charismatic swindler. Um I I I mean you

03:03:28.240 --> 03:03:30.397
got to hand it to him like he he does he

03:03:30.480 --> 03:03:34.157
can light up a stage. Um but he has just

03:03:34.240 --> 03:03:37.757
been a swindler his entire life. Um and

03:03:37.840 --> 03:03:39.757
um

03:03:39.840 --> 03:03:44.957
you know and and uh I think

03:03:45.040 --> 03:03:48.157
he what he's I mean he's likely to win.

03:03:48.240 --> 03:03:50.157
He's likely to be mayor
of New York New York City.

03:03:50.240 --> 03:03:53.517
>> Very likely. >> Yeah.
Very likely. I think Poly Market

03:03:53.600 --> 03:03:56.477
has it at what what is the >> 94%?

03:03:56.560 --> 03:03:57.997
>> Yeah, that sounds pretty likely.

03:03:58.080 --> 03:04:00.237
>> That's crazy. >> Like I'm
not sure who the 6% are, you

03:04:00.320 --> 03:04:05.117
know. >> Um so, so yeah. So that's um

03:04:05.200 --> 03:04:09.117
>> what's also like who's on the other
side? The [__] guardian angel guy

03:04:09.200 --> 03:04:12.317
with the beret and Andrew Cuomo
[laughter] who doesn't even have a

03:04:12.400 --> 03:04:16.717
party. Like they the Democrats don't
even want him. So you have those two

03:04:16.800 --> 03:04:19.757
options. Um,

03:04:19.840 --> 03:04:21.437
>> and then you have
the young kids who are

03:04:21.520 --> 03:04:27.197
like finally socialism. >> Yeah, they

03:04:27.280 --> 03:04:28.317
they don't know what they're talking

03:04:28.400 --> 03:04:32.557
about obviously. Um, so you know, like

03:04:32.640 --> 03:04:34.877
you just look at this say how many boats

03:04:34.960 --> 03:04:39.917
come from Cuba to Florida and how many
but and how many boats because you know

03:04:40.000 --> 03:04:43.277
there's like a constant I always think
like how many boats are accumulating on

03:04:43.360 --> 03:04:48.077
the shores of Florida coming
from from Cuba, >> right? Um

03:04:48.160 --> 03:04:52.157
there's a there's a whole bunch of free
boats that you could if you want to go

03:04:52.240 --> 03:04:54.797
take them back to Cuba. It's pretty close.

03:04:54.880 --> 03:04:58.157
>> Yeah. >> But for some
reason people don't do that.

03:04:58.240 --> 03:05:03.197
>> Why why why why are the boats
only coming in this direction?

03:05:03.280 --> 03:05:06.877
>> Um >> well who is who are the most
rabid capitalists in America? The [__]

03:05:06.960 --> 03:05:11.677
Cubans. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. They're
like we've seen how this story goes.

03:05:11.760 --> 03:05:15.917
>> We do not want Exactly.
>> [__] off. [laughter]

03:05:16.000 --> 03:05:19.757
Cubans in Miami, they don't want
to hear any [__] They don't want to hear

03:05:19.840 --> 03:05:23.517
any socialism [__] They're like, "No,
no, no. We know what this actually

03:05:23.600 --> 03:05:25.917
is. This isn't just some [__] dream."

03:05:26.000 --> 03:05:28.637
>> Yeah. It's extreme
government oppression. Um

03:05:28.720 --> 03:05:32.077
>> that's how it's a nightmare. And like

03:05:32.160 --> 03:05:34.477
the like an obvious way you can tell

03:05:34.560 --> 03:05:38.477
which uh which ideology is is the bad

03:05:38.560 --> 03:05:43.837
one is um who has to which ideology
is building a wall to keep people in and

03:05:43.920 --> 03:05:46.157
prevent them from escaping. >> Right?

03:05:46.240 --> 03:05:51.917
>> Like so East Berlin built
the built the wall not West Berlin,

03:05:52.000 --> 03:05:54.157
>> right? >> They built
the wall because people were

03:05:54.240 --> 03:05:57.037
trying to escape from communism to West

03:05:57.120 --> 03:06:01.597
Berlin. But there wasn't anyone
going from West Berlin to East Berlin,

03:06:01.680 --> 03:06:04.637
>> right? >> That's why
the communists had to build a

03:06:04.720 --> 03:06:07.517
wall to keep people from escaping.

03:06:07.600 --> 03:06:08.477
>> They're going to have to build a wall

03:06:08.560 --> 03:06:10.797
around New York City. [laughter]

03:06:10.880 --> 03:06:14.557
>> Yeah. That So, so

03:06:14.640 --> 03:06:19.517
that an ideology is problematic. If
that ideology has to build a wall to keep

03:06:19.600 --> 03:06:21.677
people in with machine guns, >> Yes.

03:06:21.760 --> 03:06:25.117
>> and shoot you if you try to leave.
Also, there's no examples of it being

03:06:25.200 --> 03:06:29.677
successful ever. We're only working out
for people. No, there's examples of a

03:06:29.760 --> 03:06:33.597
bunch of lies like North Korea.
Give this land to the state. We'll be in

03:06:33.680 --> 03:06:35.757
control of food. No one goes hungry. No.

03:06:35.840 --> 03:06:39.357
Now, no one can grow food but the
government and we'll tell you exactly

03:06:39.440 --> 03:06:41.117
what you eat and you eat very little.

03:06:41.200 --> 03:06:43.837
>> Right. >> Yeah. What?
When you say mom Donny's a

03:06:43.920 --> 03:06:47.597
swindler, I know he has a bunch of fake
accents that he used to use. Yeah.

03:06:47.680 --> 03:06:53.240
>> And you know, but what else has
he done that makes him a swindler?

03:06:54.000 --> 03:06:55.997
Um

03:06:56.080 --> 03:06:59.917
well I I guess if you say uh what I mean

03:07:00.000 --> 03:07:01.997
if if say if you say to any audience

03:07:02.080 --> 03:07:05.597
whatever that audience wants to hear uh

03:07:05.680 --> 03:07:08.237
instead of what instead of having a

03:07:08.320 --> 03:07:09.917
consistent message I would say that that

03:07:10.000 --> 03:07:13.677
is a swindly thing to do. Um

03:07:13.760 --> 03:07:20.680
and uh yeah um

03:07:22.800 --> 03:07:28.317
yeah but but he is he is charismatic.
Um >> yeah good-looking guy. Smart,

03:07:28.400 --> 03:07:31.597
charismatic. >> Yeah.
>> Great on a microphone.

03:07:31.680 --> 03:07:33.517
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. and and what the

03:07:33.600 --> 03:07:35.357
young people want to see,

03:07:35.440 --> 03:07:39.037
>> you know, like this ethnic guy who's

03:07:39.120 --> 03:07:41.437
young and vibrant and has all these

03:07:41.520 --> 03:07:44.397
socialist ideas align with them and you

03:07:44.480 --> 03:07:47.517
know, they're bunch of broke dorks just

03:07:47.600 --> 03:07:52.237
out of college like, "Yay, let's vote
for this." And there's a lot of them and

03:07:52.320 --> 03:07:55.517
they're they're activated.
They're motivated.

03:07:55.600 --> 03:07:59.517
>> Um, >> I guess we'll
we'll we'll see what

03:07:59.600 --> 03:08:02.717
happens here. >> What do
you think happens if he wins?

03:08:02.800 --> 03:08:04.477
Um

03:08:04.560 --> 03:08:07.597
because like 1% of New York City is

03:08:07.680 --> 03:08:11.997
responsible for 50% of their tax base,

03:08:12.080 --> 03:08:16.877
which is kind of nuts. 50% of the tax
revenue comes from 1% of the population.

03:08:16.960 --> 03:08:21.480
And those are the people
that you're scaring off.

03:08:23.040 --> 03:08:25.517
You know, you lose one half of 1%. Yeah,

03:08:25.600 --> 03:08:28.557
I mean hopefully this the stuff he's he

03:08:28.640 --> 03:08:30.877
said, you know, about government

03:08:30.960 --> 03:08:36.397
takeovers of of like that all the stores
should be the government basically. Um

03:08:36.480 --> 03:08:38.557
>> I don't think he said that.
I think he said government they want to do

03:08:38.640 --> 03:08:41.837
government supermarkets, some state-run

03:08:41.920 --> 03:08:44.717
or cityrun supermarkets.

03:08:44.800 --> 03:08:47.677
>> Yeah. Um well, it just the the

03:08:47.760 --> 03:08:52.077
government is the DMV at scale. So um
you have to say like do you want the DMV

03:08:52.160 --> 03:08:55.997
running your supermarket? >> Right.
Um, was your last experience at

03:08:56.080 --> 03:08:59.517
the DMV amazing? Uh, and if it wasn't,
you probably don't want the government

03:08:59.600 --> 03:09:03.597
doing things. >> Imagine if they were
responsible for getting you blueberries.

03:09:03.680 --> 03:09:07.597
>> Yeah. [laughter] It's not
going to be good. I mean, the

03:09:07.680 --> 03:09:09.357
the the thing about, you know, communism

03:09:09.440 --> 03:09:11.677
is is it was it was all bread lines and

03:09:11.760 --> 03:09:15.037
bad shoes. Um, you know, do do you want

03:09:15.120 --> 03:09:19.357
ugly shoes and bread lines?
Because that's what communism gets you.

03:09:19.440 --> 03:09:21.037
It's going to be interesting to see what

03:09:21.120 --> 03:09:24.237
happens and whether or not they snap out

03:09:24.320 --> 03:09:27.117
of it and overcorrect and go to some

03:09:27.200 --> 03:09:29.837
Rudy Giuliani type character next cuz

03:09:29.920 --> 03:09:36.200
it's been a long time since there
was any sort of Republican leader there.

03:09:43.040 --> 03:09:44.637
And we we live in the in the most

03:09:44.720 --> 03:09:46.717
interesting of times

03:09:46.800 --> 03:09:50.797
um because We we face the

03:09:50.880 --> 03:09:53.197
you know simultaneously face

03:09:53.280 --> 03:09:55.517
civilizational decline

03:09:55.600 --> 03:09:59.437
um and incredible pro prosperity

03:09:59.520 --> 03:10:01.837
um and these these timelines are

03:10:01.920 --> 03:10:03.997
interwoven

03:10:04.080 --> 03:10:08.157
um so um if Mani's policies are put into

03:10:08.240 --> 03:10:11.357
place especially at scale um it it would

03:10:11.440 --> 03:10:14.157
be a catastrophic

03:10:14.240 --> 03:10:16.317
uh decline in living standards not just

03:10:16.400 --> 03:10:18.477
for the rich but for everyone.

03:10:18.560 --> 03:10:22.397
um uh as as has been the case with with

03:10:22.480 --> 03:10:26.157
every um every for every every socialist

03:10:26.240 --> 03:10:31.357
experiment um or every Yeah. So

03:10:31.440 --> 03:10:33.677
um but but then as you pointed out the

03:10:33.760 --> 03:10:37.277
the irony is that like um the ultimate

03:10:37.360 --> 03:10:40.557
capitalist thing of AI and robotics

03:10:40.640 --> 03:10:42.477
uh enabling

03:10:42.560 --> 03:10:44.797
uh prosperity for all and an abundance

03:10:44.880 --> 03:10:47.917
of goods and services actually the

03:10:48.000 --> 03:10:49.837
capitalist

03:10:49.920 --> 03:10:52.077
uh implementation of AI and robotics

03:10:52.160 --> 03:10:55.437
assuming it goes down the the good path

03:10:55.520 --> 03:11:00.717
uh is is actually what results
in the communist utopia.

03:11:00.800 --> 03:11:03.677
Because fate is fate
is an irony maximizer,

03:11:03.760 --> 03:11:06.877
>> right? And and an actual socialism of

03:11:06.960 --> 03:11:11.677
maximum abundance of highincome people.

03:11:11.760 --> 03:11:13.757
>> Universal high income. >> Yeah.

03:11:13.840 --> 03:11:17.037
>> Like the the problem with communism uh

03:11:17.120 --> 03:11:20.717
is is universal low income. Um it's it's

03:11:20.800 --> 03:11:24.717
not that everyone gets elevated, it's
that everyone gets oppressed except for

03:11:24.800 --> 03:11:29.517
a very small minority of of politicians
who live a lives of luxury. That's

03:11:29.600 --> 03:11:31.277
what's happening every
time it's been done.

03:11:31.360 --> 03:11:35.837
>> Yeah. Um so um

03:11:35.920 --> 03:11:39.677
but then the

03:11:39.760 --> 03:11:41.597
the actual communist utopia if everyone

03:11:41.680 --> 03:11:44.877
gets anything they want will be will be

03:11:44.960 --> 03:11:47.757
if if will be achieved

03:11:47.840 --> 03:11:49.517
if it is achieved it will be achieved

03:11:49.600 --> 03:11:56.520
via c capitalism >> because
fate is an irony maximizer.

03:11:56.800 --> 03:11:59.837
>> I feel like we should probably end it
on that. Is there anything else? The most

03:11:59.920 --> 03:12:03.197
ironic outcome is the most likely,
especially if entertaining.

03:12:03.280 --> 03:12:05.517
>> Well, everything has been entertaining.

03:12:05.600 --> 03:12:07.997
As long as the bad things aren't
happening to you, it's quite

03:12:08.080 --> 03:12:09.837
fascinating. And it's never a boring

03:12:09.920 --> 03:12:11.597
moment.

03:12:11.680 --> 03:12:15.357
>> Yes. So there's I do have a theory of

03:12:15.440 --> 03:12:20.717
why um like if if if simulation theory

03:12:20.800 --> 03:12:23.677
is true then

03:12:23.760 --> 03:12:28.957
um it is actually very likely that

03:12:29.040 --> 03:12:31.997
um the most interesting outcome is the

03:12:32.080 --> 03:12:34.797
is the most likely because only the

03:12:34.880 --> 03:12:39.437
simulations that are interesting will
continue. The simulators will stop any

03:12:39.520 --> 03:12:42.797
simulations that are boring because
they're they're not interesting.

03:12:42.880 --> 03:12:46.157
>> But here's the question about the
simulation theory. Is the simulation run

03:12:46.240 --> 03:12:49.357
by anyone or is >> it
would be run by someone?

03:12:49.440 --> 03:12:52.877
>> It would be run by >>
some some >> some force

03:12:52.960 --> 03:12:57.597
>> the pro the program like in in
this reality that we live in, we we run

03:12:57.680 --> 03:12:59.677
simulations all the time. Like so when

03:12:59.760 --> 03:13:01.997
we try to figure out if the rocket's

03:13:02.080 --> 03:13:05.357
gonna make it, we run um

03:13:05.440 --> 03:13:09.597
thousands sometimes millions
of simulations just to figure out which

03:13:09.680 --> 03:13:13.677
which uh path is the good
path for the rocket

03:13:13.760 --> 03:13:19.357
and and where can it go wrong, where
can it fail. Um but we when we do these I

03:13:19.440 --> 03:13:21.837
say at this point millions
of simulations of of what can happen with

03:13:21.920 --> 03:13:25.437
the rocket um we ignore the ones that

03:13:25.520 --> 03:13:29.197
are where everything goes right um

03:13:29.280 --> 03:13:32.957
because we we we just care about the we
have we have to address the situations

03:13:33.040 --> 03:13:35.277
where it goes wrong.

03:13:35.360 --> 03:13:37.357
Um so

03:13:37.440 --> 03:13:40.397
um so so basically in in in and and for

03:13:40.480 --> 03:13:42.797
for AI simulations as well like like all

03:13:42.880 --> 03:13:45.997
these things we we keep the simulations

03:13:46.080 --> 03:13:48.157
going that are the most interesting to

03:13:48.240 --> 03:13:50.877
us. Um

03:13:50.960 --> 03:13:53.997
so if simulation theory is accurate if

03:13:54.080 --> 03:14:00.637
if it is true who knows um then the uh

03:14:00.720 --> 03:14:04.797
the the simulators will will only they
will continue to run the simulations

03:14:04.880 --> 03:14:05.917
that are most interesting there.

03:14:06.000 --> 03:14:09.997
Therefore from a Darwinian perspective
um the only surviving simulations will

03:14:10.080 --> 03:14:11.197
be the interest the most interesting

03:14:11.280 --> 03:14:14.237
ones. And in order to um avoid getting

03:14:14.320 --> 03:14:18.637
turned off uh the only rule is you must

03:14:18.720 --> 03:14:23.917
keep it interesting or you will if
or you will because the boring simulations

03:14:24.000 --> 03:14:26.317
will be terminated. >> Are you
still completely convinced that

03:14:26.400 --> 03:14:29.277
this is a simulation? >> I didn't
say I was completely convinced.

03:14:29.360 --> 03:14:33.437
>> Well, you said it's like the odds
of it not being are in the billions.

03:14:33.520 --> 03:14:38.877
But I guess it's not completely
cuz you're saying there's a chance.

03:14:38.960 --> 03:14:43.037
>> What are the odds
that we're in base reality?

03:14:43.120 --> 03:14:46.797
Um well given that given that that we're

03:14:46.880 --> 03:14:50.077
able to create increasingly
sophisticated simulations. So if you

03:14:50.160 --> 03:14:53.197
think of say video games and how video
games have gone from very simple video

03:14:53.280 --> 03:14:54.877
games like Pong with you know two

03:14:54.960 --> 03:14:57.997
rectangles and a square to video games

03:14:58.080 --> 03:15:02.317
today being um photorealistic

03:15:02.400 --> 03:15:05.757
uh with millions of people playing
simultaneously and all of that has

03:15:05.840 --> 03:15:08.157
occurred in our lifetime.

03:15:08.240 --> 03:15:11.917
So if that trend continues,

03:15:12.000 --> 03:15:16.237
uh, video games will be
indistinguishable from reality. The

03:15:16.320 --> 03:15:18.397
fidelity of the game will be such that

03:15:18.480 --> 03:15:20.397
you you don't know if that what you're

03:15:20.480 --> 03:15:24.237
seeing is a real video or a fake video.

03:15:24.320 --> 03:15:26.477
Um, and like AI generated videos at this

03:15:26.560 --> 03:15:30.077
point, you like you can sometimes tell

03:15:30.160 --> 03:15:31.917
it's an AI generated video, but often

03:15:32.000 --> 03:15:34.557
you cannot tell and soon you will not

03:15:34.640 --> 03:15:38.877
really just not be able to tell. So um

03:15:38.960 --> 03:15:41.677
if if that's happening in our direct

03:15:41.760 --> 03:15:45.997
observation then and and
we're create we'll create

03:15:46.080 --> 03:15:47.597
millions if not billions of

03:15:47.680 --> 03:15:52.077
photorealistic simulations of reality

03:15:52.160 --> 03:15:56.797
then what are the odds
that we're in base reality

03:15:56.880 --> 03:15:59.037
or versus someone else's simulation?

03:15:59.120 --> 03:16:02.957
Well, isn't it just possible that the
simulation is inevitable, but that we

03:16:03.040 --> 03:16:08.280
are in base reality building
towards a simulation?

03:16:08.800 --> 03:16:10.797
We're making simulations.

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Um, so um

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we're making simulations.
We make like you can just think of like

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photorealistic video games as as being

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simulations. >> Mh. Um,
and especially as you apply AI

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in these video games, the the characters
in the video games will be incredibly

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interesting to talk to. They won't just
have a limited dialogue tree where if

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you go to like the the crossbow merchant
or like and you you try to talk about

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any subject except buying a crossbow,

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they just want to talk about selling you

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a crossbow. Um, but with with with AI

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based non-player characters, you can
you'll be able to have an elaborate

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conversation with no dialogue tree.

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Well, that might be the solution for

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meaning for people. Just lock in and you

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could be a [__] vampire and whatever.

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You live in Avatar land. You could do it.
You could do whatever you want. I

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mean, you don't have
to think about money or food.

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>> Ready Player One. >> Yeah. Literally.
Yeah. But with higher living standards.

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>> Yeah. >> You don't have
to be in a little trailer. I

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>> I mean, I think this people do want to

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have some amount of struggle
or something they want to push against. Um

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but but it it could be you know playing
a a sports or playing a game or something.

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>> It could be easily playing a game
and especially playing a game where you're

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now no longer worried about like
physical attributes like athletics like

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bad joints and hips and stuff like that.

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Now it's completely digital but yet you

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do have meaning in pursuing this thing

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that you're doing all day.

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Whatever the [__] that means.
It's going to be weird.

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>> It's going to be interesting.

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>> It's gonna be very interesting.

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>> Um the most the most interesting

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>> and and usually ironic
outcome is the most likely.

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>> All right. >> That's
a good predictor of the future.

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>> Thank you.
Thanks for being here. Really

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appreciate you. Appreciate your time.

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You I know you're a busy man, so this
means a lot you come here to do this.

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Welcome. All right.
Thank you. Bye, everybody.

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