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>> Exactly. >> Just every morning.

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>> Wonder what Jeff Bezos is doing.

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>> He's doing some [laughter] definitely
doing some testosterone. He looks jacked.

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>> He looks jacked, right?
>> Yeah. But he didn't like >> quick

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>> quick >> quick [laughter]

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at age like at 50 at age 59 in less than

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a year he he went from pencilet geek to

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uh looking like a like the rock.

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>> Yeah. Like a little
miniature alpha fella.

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>> Yeah. Like like his neck
got bigger than his head.

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>> Yeah. He got bigger.
>> But then like his earlier pictures his

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neck's like a noodle.
>> I support this activity. I like to see

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him going in this direction >>
which is fine. And his voice dropped

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like two octaves. I want you
to move in that direction as well.

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>> I think we can achieve this.

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>> I I I mean I should >> I
think we can achieve >> gigachad.

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[laughter] That's what people called it.

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>> Where is that guy? >> Bele.
Uh I don't know where he is.

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>> That's like a real guy.
>> The artist. Yeah.

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>> No. >> Oh, gigachad. [laughter] Oh,
gigachad. Yeah. I don't know if

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that's a real guy. It's hard to say.

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>> No, it is a real guy.
>> It is a real guy.

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>> He's got the crazy jaw
and like perfect sculpted hair.

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>> Yeah. Well, I mean, they may have
exaggerated a little bit, but >> um

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>> but uh No, I think I think he actually
just kind of looked like that in reality.

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>> Wow. >> Um so >> like like he's
a pretty unique looking individual.

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>> I think we can achieve this.
That guy right there, that's a real guy.

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[laughter] >> That's a real dude.

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>> I always thought that was CGI.

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>> No, I think one of I think the upper
right one is not [laughter] him. That's

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not >> But that one to the left
of [clears throat] that like that's real.

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No, that's that's artificial, bro.

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That's fake. That's got that uncanny
valley feel to it, doesn't it?

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>> It's It's not impossible. >> No,
no, it's not impossible to achieve,

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but it's not it's not possible
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that's like like you're you're also
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all sorts of things. >> Oh,
it's based on a real person.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Based on, >> right,
but it's not a real person. What

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does he really look like?
>> Like those images, I think, are [__]

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>> Some of them are. Is that real? Okay.

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That That looks real. That looks
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah,
that looks real. Like that's

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achievable. But there's a few of those
images where you're just like, "What's

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going on here?" >> Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Um

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>> Well, I mean, you see you see
[laughter] >> that guy is that is that the

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>> that's the real dude? >> Well, there's
that that that Icelandic dude who's Thor.

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>> Oh, yeah. The guy who jumps
in the frozen lakes and [__]

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>> Well, the guy who played the mountain.

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Um >> Oh, that guy. >> That is
that is like a that that is like

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a a mutant strong human. Yes.
>> Like like uh he would be in like the

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X-Men or something, you know?
>> He's just like not like uh

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>> and there's that you know that have
you seen that meme tent and tent bag?

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>> Um you know how like it's like it's
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>> Oh, right. Right. [laughter]

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>> That's true. >> Then there's
a picture of of him and his

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girlfriend. That's hilarious.
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>> I don't know how it gets in there, you
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>> I met Brian [laughter] Shaw. Brian Shaw

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is like the world's most powerful man.

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And he's almost [laughter] 7 feet tall.

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He's 400 lb.

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>> And his his bone density is 1 in 500

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million people. So there's one it's like

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there's like maybe 16 people.

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>> He's an enormous human being. like a

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legitimate giant just like that guy.
But we met him. He was hanging out with us

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in the green room of the mother ship.

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It's like, okay, if this was like David
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giant like the giants of the Bible.

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>> Once in a while they
get a super giant person.

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>> This is a real a real one. Like not a

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tall skinny basketball player,
like a 7 foot 400B powerliffter.

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>> Like you don't want to especially look
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photo of him standing next to like
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>> There it is. That's him right there.

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Like there's like there's like one of him
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and stuff and it's where
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>> I mean I think he's
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>> Oh, Brian's very cool. Very smart, too.

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Unusually, you know, you expect anybody
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There was there's Andre the Giant

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who was awesome. You >> he
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>> Yeah. Yeah. So, we were talking about
um this interview with Sam Alman and

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Tucker, and I was like, we should
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because it is one of the craziest
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life. >> Yeah. >> Where Tucker
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who was a whistleblower, whatever.

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>> A whistleblower who, you know,
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like it. >> And and he's
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this. And Sam Alton was like, "Are you
accusing me?" He's like, "No, no, no.

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I'm not. I'm just saying I
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>> Yeah. And like And it
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>> Yeah. >> Um not just drop the case.

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>> It seems like >> they just
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>> Yeah. >> Um the wires
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>> blood in two rooms. >> Blood
in two rooms. Someone else's wig

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was in the room.
And >> someone else's wig.

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>> Wig. >> Wig. Yes. Not his wig.

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>> Yes. Um and um and he ordered Door
Dash uh right before allegedly committing

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suicide. >> Uh which uh
is it seems unusual, you know?

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>> Yeah. >> It's like,
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order pizza on second thoughts, I'll
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a very rapid change in mindset.

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>> It's very weird. And especially the
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committed suicide at all.
>> Has no note or anything.

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>> No. >> Yeah. >> It seems
pretty [__] up. And you know,

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the idea that a whistleblower for an

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enormous AI company that's worth
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that's not outside the pale.
>> I mean, it's straight out of a movie.

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>> Right out of a movie, but right
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>> Yeah. Right. [laughter] Exactly.

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>> It's a little weird that I I think they
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what's the downside
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>> Right. >> No. >> Yeah, >> for sure.
But the whole exchange is so bizarre.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Sam Alman's
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murder is bizarre. >> Look,
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it's not possible to look more guilty.

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[laughter] >> So, I'm like,
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maybe it's just his social

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thing. Like, maybe he's just odd with

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confrontation and it just goes blank,

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you know? But if if somebody
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Jamie was a whistleblower and Jamie
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what are you what are you are you
accusing me of killing my friend?" Like,

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"What the [__] are you talking about?" I
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You know,
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>> Yeah. It'd be like Well, you'd be like,
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investigation. Yeah. >> As opposed
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>> Yeah. I wouldn't assume that he got
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suspicious. If Tucker was telling me
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"That does seem like a murder.
[__] We should look into this."

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>> I mean, all signs point to it being
a murder. Not not saying, you know, Tim

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Molvin had anything to do with the murder,
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>> It's blood in two rooms. Like, yeah,
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and the door dash being ordered right
before suicide. No suicide note. his

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parents think uh he was murdered and um

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he was not suicidal. So I'm like
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>> They sued the son's landlord alleged
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San Francisco apartment building were part
of a widespread cover up of his death.

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>> The landlord >> Yeah.
There's a bunch of weird They said

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there was like packages missing from
the building. Some people said they saw

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packages still being delivered
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>> Huh. But that could be people
steal people's packages all the time.

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>> The porch pirate situation.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Says they failed to safeguard.

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>> Also, I mean, the amount of trauma
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their son dying like that. I mean, it must

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>> God bless them. And how could they stay
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probably they're so griefstricken. Who

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>> Yeah. It should have
asked if Epson killed himself.

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>> [laughter] >> Yeah,
that's the the Cash Mattel thing.

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Cash Mattel Dan Bonino trying
to convince everybody of that. Like, okay.

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>> The guards weren't there
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>> you know, >> the guards
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weren't working. He had a a giant

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steroided up bodybuilder guy that he was

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sharing a cell with that was a murderer

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who was a bad cop. Like, all of it's

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kind of nuts. All of it's kind of nuts
like that he would just kill himself

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rather than reveal all
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>> Yeah. >> And then >> did you see Tim
Dylan talking to Chris Cuomo about this?

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>> I did. He liked the idea.
>> Chris Cromo just looked so stupid.

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[laughter] >> Tim just listed off all the
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strange. Like of course it's strange

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Chris. Jesus Christ. You can't just go

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with the tide. You got to think things
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through, you're like, I don't think he
killed himself. Nobody does. You'd have

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to work for an intelligence agency
to think he killed himself. [laughter]

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>> It seems highly unlikely.
Highly, highly unlikely. All roads point

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to murder. >> Yes. >> Point
to they had to get rid of him

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because he knew too much. Whatever
the [__] he was doing, whatever kind of an

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asset he was, whatever thing he was up to,
you know, was apparently very

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effective. >> Yes.
And a lot of people are compromised.

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You see, your boy Bill Gates is now
saying climate change is not a big deal.

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Like, relax everybody. I know I scared
the [__] out of you for the last decade

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and a half, but ah, we're
going to be fine. [laughter]

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>> Yeah. I mean, you know,
as was I was saying just

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before coming into the studio with,
you know, it like every day there's some

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crazy wild new thing that's happening.

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It's It feels like
reality is accelerating.

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>> It's every day. And Every day it's like

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more and more ridiculous to the point
where the simulation is more and more

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undeniable. >> Yeah. Yeah. It really feels
like simulation, you know? It's like, come

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on. What are the odds
that this could be the case?

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>> Are you paying attention at all
to Three Atlas? Are you watching the

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>> the comet? >> Yeah. Whatever it is.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, one thing I

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can say is like, look, I

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if if I was aware of any evidence of

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aliens, um, you Joe, you have my word.
I will come on your show and I will reveal

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it on the show. >> Okay.
>> Yeah, >> that's a good deal.

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>> Yeah, it's pretty good.
>> I'll believe you. Yeah, thank you.

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>> I I'll stick I keep my you
know, keep my promises. So, um

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>> All right. I'll hold you to that.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. And and [clears throat]
I'm never committing suicide to be clear.

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[laughter] >> I don't
think you would either.

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>> So, on camera, guys,
I am never committing suicide ever.

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>> If someone says you committed suicide,
[laughter] I will fight tooth and nail.

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>> I will fight tooth and nail. I will
I will not believe it. I will not believe

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it. The thing about the three eye atlas
is it's >> a hell of a name actually.

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>> Yeah, it's a third eye sounds
like third eye or something.

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>> Yeah, it does. [laughter] Three
eye is third. It's only the third

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interstellar object that's detected.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah. [snorts] Obias.

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>> Yeah. Alo was on the podcast
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>> Yeah. It could be. I don't know. But I
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it's changed course. Um,
>> did you see that, Jamie?

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>> uh, I know it's on Reddit.

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>> Here you go, Jamie. I'll send it to you
right now. Um, it's fascinating. It's

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fascinating also because it's made
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apparently. Um um most
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nickel in fact. Yeah. So the the places

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that's where the the sources
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so it's mostly nickel very little iron

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which uh he was saying uh is on earth

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know you're dealing with another planet >>
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cases where there's very nickel richch
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something from space.
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it'll be a very sort of heavy spaceship
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>> Probably kill most of human life.

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there's been five major extinction events,
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really show up on the fossil
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>> Um so unless it's enough to cause a you

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know mass extinction event throughout
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that would have sort of destroyed all
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America or something like that. there
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history. >> Yeah. And there's
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was a one that hit Siberia and destroyed
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That's the one from the 1920s, right?

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letting us have a tour of SpaceX
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launch. >> One of the absolute
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ever seen in my life. And we we've
we were we thought it was only like I

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thought it was a half a mile. Jamie's
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almost two miles away.
And you feel it in your chest.

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>> It was [__] amazing. And then to go

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to watch all the Starlink satellites

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in real time as it made its way all the
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35 40 minutes. >> Yeah.
>> Wild it touchdown in Australia.

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>> Absolutely amazing. The starship's

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awesome. Um, and anyone can go watch the
launch actually. So, you can just go to

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um, South Padre Island, get has a great
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>> Um, but um, but we'll be flying pretty
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Texas. And we we formally incorporated
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legally an actual legal
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>> Um, it's not that often you hear
like, hey, we made a city, you know.

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[laughter] Um, that [snorts] used to be
like the like in in the old days like a

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startup would be you go and gather
a bunch of people and say, "Hey, let's go

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make a town." Literally, that was like
that would have been startups in in in

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the old days. >> Um, >> or a country.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Actually, >> if
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be a real problem. >> Yeah.
That things are so much so much

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set in stone on the country front these
days. You might pull it off. You might

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be able [clears throat] to pull it off.

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>> You know, it's probably,
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>> Yeah, you could probably if you put if
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make a new country.
>> This is one of the different ones. This

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is one of the ones that you catch,
>> right? Or is that one?

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the super heavy booster. Uh so that's
the one with the booster's got 33

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that that uh um and it's you know by

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version four that will have about 10,000

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tons of thrust. Um you know right now
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that's that's the largest
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>> I had to explain to someone. They were
going, "Why do they blow up all the time

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if he's so smart?" Because there
was there was this [__] idiot on

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television. Some guy was being
interviewed and they were talking about

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you. And he goes, "Oh, I think he's
a fuckwit." And he goes, "He's a fuckwit."

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And he goes, "Why you say he's [__] Oh,
his rockets keep blowing up." And

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someone said, "Yeah, well, why do his
rockets blow?" And I had to explain.

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Yeah. Because it's the only way you find
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you have to a few >> corners
of the box. So, so like so

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[clears throat] when you do a new uh
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have to uh do what's called uh you know,
exploring the limits, the corners of the

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box where you say it's like you worst

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case this, worst case that um to figure

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out um uh where where the limits are. So

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uh you blow up, you know, not not
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sometimes blows up accidentally. Um but

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but we intentionally subject it to uh uh

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you know a flight regime that is much
worse than what we expect in normal

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flight so that when we put people on

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board or valuable cargo it doesn't blow

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up. Um so um so so for example for the

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the flight that you saw we we actually

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deliberately took um heat shield tiles

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off the the the ship the off of Starship

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in in some of the worst locations to say

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okay if we lose a heat shield tile here

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is it is it catastrophic or is it not?

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able to do a soft landing um in uh in

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the Indian Ocean just uh west
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from Texas in like I don't know
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>> So it landed even though you put
it through this situation where it has

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compromised shield.

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it it had an an an an unusually we we we

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brought it in hot like an an extra hot

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trajectory uh with missing tiles um to

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see if it would still make it to a soft
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point out it did have there were some
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it's it was robust enough to land
despite having some holes burnt you know

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that that you know cuz it's coming it's
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see you can see the real time video.

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Well, tell me the speed again because
the the speed was bananas. You were

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talking about >> Yeah,
it's like 17,000 mph

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like like 25 times the speed of sound or

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thereabouts. So, um the uh uh so so

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think of it like it's it's like 12 times
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rifle. You know, bullet from
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>> and it's just and it's
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>> Yeah. [laughter]

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Yeah. Or or if you compare it to like a

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bullet from a um you know a 45 or or 9

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mil which is subsonic that's you know
it it'll be about 30 times faster than a

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bullet from a handgun.
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handgun and it's the size of a skyscraper.

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>> Yes. [laughter]

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>> Yeah. That's fast.

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>> It's so wild. It's so wild to see, man.

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It It's uh It's so exciting. This the

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factor is so exciting too because like

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genuinely no [__] I felt like I was

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witnessing history. I felt like it
was a scene in a movie where someone had

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expectations and they like what are they
doing? They're building rockets. And you

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go there and as we were walking through
Jamie, you could speak to this too.

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Didn't you have the feeling
where you're like

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>> oh this is way bigger than I thought
it was. This is [laughter] huge. Awesome.

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>> Gigantic. >> [__] crazy.
>> That's what she said. the ah the amount

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of rockets you're making.
I don't know if you

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>> tent back. [laughter]
>> Gig Chad in the house.

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>> This is way big.
>> It's a giant metal dick. [laughter]

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You're [__] [__] the universe
with your giant metal dick. That's

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>> I mean, yeah, it is. It is very big.

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>> And the sheer numbers of them that you

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guys are making. And then this is a

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version and you have a new
updated version that's coming soon.

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>> And what is the It's
a It's a little longer. Um

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>> more pointy. >> Uh it's
the same amount of pointy. Um

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but the there's it's it's got a bit more
length. Um the the interstage, you see

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that that interstage section
with kind of like the grill area.

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>> Mhm. >> Um that's uh
that's now integrated with

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the boost stage. Um so uh we do um

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what's called hot staging. Uh where we
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attached to the booster. So the boost
the booster engines are still thrusting.

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is still it's it's uh you know it's
still being pushed forward by the

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booster of the ship. Uh but then we
light the ship engines and the ship

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engines actually pull away from the
booster even though the booster engines

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are still firing. >> Whoa.
>> Um so it's blasting flame through uh

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that that grill section but we integrate
that grill section into uh the boost

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stage with the next uh version of the

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rocket. Um and uh and explosion in the

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rocket will have the Raptor 3 engines

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which are a huge improvement. Um you may

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you may have seen them in the lobby
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and three. And you can see the dramatic
improvement in simplicity. Um we should

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probably put a plaque there to also show
how much the we reduced the weight uh

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the cost and the and improved the

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efficiency and the uh thrust. So the

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Raptor 3 uh has uh you know almost twice

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the thrust of Raptor Raptor 1.

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>> Wow. >> So you see Raptor 3. It looks
like it looks like it's got parts missing.

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Right. >> And how many
>> It's very very clean.

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>> How many of them are on the rocket?

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>> There's 33 on the on the booster.

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>> Whoa. Um and and each of each Raptor

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engine is producing twice as much thrust

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as all four engines on a 747.

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Wow. So that engine is smaller than a

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747 engine, but is producing, you know,

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um you know, almost 10 times the thrust

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of a 747 engine. Um so extremely high

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power to weight ratio.
Um and um >> and so when there's

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>> 33 of them >> you when
you so when you're designing

436
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,477
these you get to Raptor one you see its
efficiency you see where you can improve

437
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,197
it you get to Raptor 2 how many how far

438
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,837
can you scale this up with just the same

439
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,397
sort of technology with propellant
and ignition and engines like how much

440
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,157
further can you

441
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,677
>> I mean we're pushing the limits of

442
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,637
physics here um so um

443
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,917
and and really in order to to make a a

444
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,077
fully reusable orbital rocket which no

445
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,917
one has succeeded in doing uh yet

446
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,997
including including us. Um but but uh

447
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,717
Starship is the first time that there
is a design for a rocket where where full

448
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,037
and rapid reusability is actually
possible. So it was not there's not

449
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,797
there's not even been a design before
where it was possible. Certainly not a

450
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,917
design that that that got made any
hardware at all. Um just we just we just

451
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,757
live we live on a planet uh where the

452
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,837
gravity uh is is is quite high like

453
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,597
earth's gravity is quite really quite

454
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,037
quite high. Um um and if the gravity was

455
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:58,957
even 10 or 20% uh higher uh we'd be

456
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,437
stuck on Earth forever. Um like we yeah
we could not use certainly couldn't use

457
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,997
conventional rockets. You'd have to like
blow yourself off the surface with like

458
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,597
a nuclear bomb or something crazy. Um so

459
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,917
but on the other hand if if Earth's
gravity was just a little lower like

460
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,717
even 10 20% lower it then uh getting
to orbit would be easy. So it's like it's

461
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,517
like it's like this if this was a video
game it's set to like maximum difficulty

462
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,517
but not impossible. >> Okay.

463
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,557
>> Um so that's that's where we have um

464
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,357
here. So it's it's not as though um

465
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,637
others have uh ignored the concept of

466
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,437
reusability. they've just uh concluded
that it was too difficult to achieve.

467
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,117
And we've been working at on on this for

468
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,397
a long time at at SpaceX. Um and um you

469
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,157
know, I'm the chief engineer of the
company. Um although I should say that

470
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,757
that uh you know, we have an extremely
talented engineering team. I think we've

471
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:59,037
got the best uh rocket engineering team
that has ever been assembled. Um uh it's

472
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,637
it's an honor to work with such such

473
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,837
incredible people. Um so uh so so it's

474
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,837
fair to say that you know we have not
yet succeeded in creating in achieving

475
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,157
full reusability but we at last have a

476
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,037
rocket uh where full reusability is

477
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:19,037
possible. Um and I think I think we'll

478
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:23,117
achieve it next year. So um

479
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,197
uh that's a that's a really big deal.

480
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,557
And the reason the reason that's that's

481
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,757
such a big deal is that full reusability

482
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,397
um uh drops the cost of access to space

483
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,357
by a hundred

484
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,637
um maybe even more than 100 actually.
So could be like a thousand. The you can

485
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,077
think of it like any mode of transport.

486
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:49,357
Like imagine if aircraft were were not
reusable. Like you flew somewhere, you

487
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,317
throw the plane like like imagine
if like the way the way conventional

488
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,477
rockets work is it would be like if you
had an airplane and and and instead of

489
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,957
landing at your destination,
you parachute out um and the plane crashes

490
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,557
somewhere and you land at your desk and
you and you land on a parachute at your

491
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,477
destination. Now that would be
a very expensive trip [laughter]

492
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,477
and you and you'd need another plane to

493
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,597
get back. Okay. Um, but that's how the

494
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,397
other rockets in the world work. Um, now

495
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,957
the SpaceX Falcon rocket is the only one
that is is there that is at least mostly

496
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,957
reusable. You've se you've seen the Falcon
rocket, you know, land. We've now

497
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,757
done over 500 landings of of the SpaceX

498
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,077
rocket of the of the Falcon 9 rocket. Um

499
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,477
and um and and this year um you know we

500
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,957
we'll deliver probably I don't know

501
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,597
somewhere between 2200 and 2500 tons to

502
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,637
orbit um with with the Falcon 9 uh

503
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,797
Falcon Heavy rockets uh not counting

504
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,117
anything for from Starship. Um

505
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,717
>> and this is mostly
Starlink. Yes, mostly

506
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,677
Starling, but we launch uh many other
we even launch our competitors on um

507
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,677
competitors to Starink on on Falcon 9.

508
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,957
We charge them the same price. Pretty

509
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,117
fair. Um uh but uh SpaceX this year will

510
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,197
deliver um roughly 90%
of all Earth mass to orbit.

511
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,757
>> Wow. >> Um and then
of the remaining 10% um most

512
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,957
of that is done by China. And then the
then the remaining kind of roughly 4% is

513
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,637
uh everyone else in the world including

514
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,757
our America uh domestic competitors.

515
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:31,037
>> You know um it's kind of incredible
how many things are in space like how many

516
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:32,477
things are floating above us now?

517
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,317
>> There's a lot of things. >> Yeah.

518
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,117
>> Is there though? >> Right.
But is there a saturation point where

519
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,117
we're going to have problems with all
these different satellites that are

520
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,917
>> um I think as long
as the satellites are

521
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,517
um maintained uh there's there it'll be

522
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,437
fine. This space is very roomy. Um it's

523
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,957
like you can think of um like space as

524
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,717
being concentric shells of the surface

525
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,117
of the earth. So, um, you know, there's

526
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,877
there's it's the surface of the earth, but
but there's it's a series >> much larger.

527
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,117
>> Yeah. It's like a series
of concentric trails. Um,

528
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,437
>> and think of an
Airstream trailer flying

529
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,157
around up there.
There's a lot of room for air streams.

530
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,397
>> Yeah. I mean, imagine Yeah. If there
just a few thousand airirstreams um on

531
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,877
on Earth. >> Yeah. >> What are the odds
that they'd hit each other? You know,

532
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,237
>> they wouldn't be very crowded.
No. And then you got to go bigger.

533
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,797
>> Yeah. >> Because you're
dealing with far above Earth.

534
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,237
>> Hundreds of miles above Earth.

535
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:28,957
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

536
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,717
>> Yeah. So, it's the um but the goal of

537
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,517
SpaceX is to get rocket technology
to the point where we can extend life

538
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,917
beyond Earth and that we can establish
a self-sustaining city on Mars. Uh a

539
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,877
permanent base on the moon. That would
be very cool. I mean, imagine if we had

540
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,797
like a, you know, moon base alpha where
there's like a permanent science base on

541
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,797
the moon. >> That would be pretty dope.
Or at least a tourist trap.

542
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,517
>> I mean, a lot
of people be willing to go

543
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,837
to the moon for just for a tour. That's
for sure. We could probably pay for our

544
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,077
space program with that,
you know, >> probably. Yeah. Well,

545
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,677
>> because it's like
if if you if you could

546
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,917
go to the moon with and and safely,

547
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,357
>> uh I think we'd get a lot of people uh

548
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,477
would would pay for that, you know.

549
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,237
>> Oh, 100%. After the first year,
after nobody died for like

550
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,557
>> Yeah. Just make sure. [laughter]
Exactly. Are you going to come back?

551
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,957
Yeah. >> Because like that submarine, they
they had a bunch of successful launches in

552
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,877
that private submarine before it
imploded and killed everybody. That was

553
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,597
not a good design. Obviously, >> it
was a very bad design. Terrible design.

554
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,877
>> And the engineers said it would not
withstand the pressure of those depths.

555
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,317
Like there was a lot
of whistleblowers in that company too.

556
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,717
>> Yeah. Um they they
they made that out of

557
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,717
uh carbon fiber which is it doesn't make

558
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,237
any sense because um you actually need
you need to be dense to go down. Um in

559
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,317
any case, just make it out of steel.
If you make it out of uh sort of just, you

560
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,117
know, a big steel casting, that's that's
you you'll be safe and nothing. Why

561
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,837
would they make it out of carbon
fiber then? Is it cheaper?

562
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,557
>> Um I think they think carbon
fiber sounds cool or something. But uh

563
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,397
>> it does sound cool. >> It it
sounds cool, but um because it's

564
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,477
such it's such low density, you actually
actually have to add extra mass to go

565
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,397
down because it's it's low density.
But if you just have a giant, you know,

566
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,197
hollow ball bearing,
uh you're going to be fine.

567
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,397
>> Speaking of carbon fiber, did you
check out my unplugged Tesla out there?

568
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,877
>> Yeah, it's cool. >> Pretty sick,
right? Yeah. Have you guys

569
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,917
ever thought about doing something like

570
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,757
that? like having like an AMG division

571
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,997
of Tesla where you do like custom stuff.

572
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,517
>> Um

573
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,197
I think it's best to leave that to the

574
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,357
custom shops. Uh you know we're we're

575
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,317
like Tesla's focus is autonomous cars.

576
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,877
Um you know building kind of futuristic

577
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,557
autonomous cars. Um

578
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,317
so um

579
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,117
like I think it's we want the future
to look like the future. Um, so the did

580
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:58,637
like did you see like our designs
for like the sort of the robotic bus? It

581
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:05,080
looks pretty cool. >> The robotic
bus is also being totally auton

582
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,037
but it looks it looks cool. It's it's

583
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,957
very art deco. It's it's like it's like

584
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,557
futuristic art deco. Um, and um,

585
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,197
it it does it like I think we want to

586
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,597
change the aesthetic over time. You
don't want the aesthetic to be constant

587
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,437
over time. You want to evolve the

588
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,917
aesthetic. Um, so um, you know, like my

589
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,157
like I have a son who's he's like, you

590
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,397
know, he's he's he's like even more

591
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,437
autistic than me and um and, uh,
but he's he has these great observations.

592
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,477
Who is this? >> A Saxon.
He has these great observations

593
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,717
in the world uh because he's he just

594
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,837
views the world through a different
lens than than most people. Um and he was

595
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:55,560
like, "Dad, why does the world look like
it's 2015?" [laughter] [clears throat]

596
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,197
>> And I'm like, "Damn,
the world does look

597
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,717
like it's 2015." Like the aesthetic
has not evolved since 2015.

598
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,677
>> Oh, that's what it looks like.

599
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,237
>> Yeah. >> Oh, wow.
>> That's pretty cool.

600
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,877
>> Oh, yeah. That's like >> like
You'd want to see that going down

601
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,117
the road, you know? >> Yeah.
You'd be like, "Okay, this is

602
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,397
we're in the future." You know,
it doesn't look like 2015.

603
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,277
>> What is that ancient science fiction
movie? Like one of the first science

604
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,117
fiction movies ever. Is it Metropolis?

605
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,397
Is that what it is? >> Yeah. Yeah.

606
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,637
>> Yeah. That looks like
it belongs in Metropolis.

607
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,997
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's a futuristic art deco.

608
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,837
>> All right. Yeah. Well, that's cool that
you're concentrating on the aesthetic. I

609
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,637
mean, that's kind of the whole deal with
Cybertruck, right? Like, it didn't have

610
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,437
to look like that. >> No,
it it I just wanted to have

611
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,277
something that looked really different.

612
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,237
Is it a pain in the ass for people
to get it insured because it's all solid

613
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,757
steel and >> um I hope it's
not too much. I you know

614
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,437
Tesla does offer insurance so people can

615
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,437
always get it get it insured at Tesla.

616
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,757
>> Um well but the like
it is the form does

617
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,957
follow a function in the case
of the cybert truck because um as you

618
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,957
demonstrated with with your
armorpiercing arrow um because if you

619
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,237
shot that arrow at a regular
truck I mean >> it [laughter]

620
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,917
exactly you would have found your arrow
in the wall. Yeah. Um, you know, it

621
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,157
would very least it would have
buried into one of the seats.

622
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,397
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's but like you could you

623
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,677
could definitely make uh get enough of

624
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,597
bow velocity and and the right the right
arrow would go through both doors of a

625
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,917
regular truck and and
and land on the wall.

626
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,637
>> If there was a clear shot between
both doors, it probably would have passed

627
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:24,077
right through. >> Exactly.
Um but but you know the the

628
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,517
arrow shattered on the cybert truck cuz

629
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,397
it's it's ultra hard uh stainless. Mhm.

630
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,877
>> Um, so, um, and I thought it' be I

631
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,117
thought it'd be cool to have a, you

632
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,237
know, a truck that is bulletproof
to a subsonic projectile. Um, so, um, you

633
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,837
know, especially in this day and age,
you know, like as as a if, if the

634
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,117
apocalypse happens, you're going to want

635
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,997
to have a bulletproof truck, you know.

636
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,437
Um, so so then because because it's made

637
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,117
of ultra hot stainless, it's you can't
just stamp the the panels. You can't

638
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,077
just put in a stamping press
because it breaks the press.

639
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,037
So, so in order to actually, so it has

640
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,517
to has to be planer um because
it's so difficult to bend it

641
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,037
because it breaks the machine that bends

642
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,997
it. Um that's why that's why it's it's

643
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,757
it's it's so planer and and it's not uh

644
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,477
you know it's it's because it's

645
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,797
bulletproof steel is the >> So
it is like boxy as opposed to like

646
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,917
curved and >> Yeah.
You just in order to make in order

647
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,597
to make like the curved shapes, you you

648
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,597
you take you take uh uh basically mild

649
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,797
steel like um anneal thin and thin

650
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,997
anneal in a regular truck or car.
The you take you take mild thin anneal

651
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,157
steel, you put it in a stamping press
and it just sm it just smooshes it and

652
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,757
makes it to whatever the shape whatever

653
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,157
shape you want. But the Cybert truck is

654
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,197
made made of ultra hard stainless. Um

655
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,277
and and and so you can't stamp it
because it would break the stamping

656
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,197
press.

657
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,477
So it even bending it is hard. So even

658
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,557
to bend it to uh its current position,

659
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,157
we have to way overbend it. Um and and

660
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:05,997
so it gets so that when it springs back,

661
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,557
it's in in the right position.

662
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,597
Um, so it's uh I don't know like I I

663
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,557
think if you want to like I think it's
it's it's a unique aesthetic. Um, and

664
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,997
you say, "Well, what's cool about
a truck?" Trucks are trucks are like

665
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,917
should be I don't know manly. They

666
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,237
should be macho, you know, and

667
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,517
bulletproof is maximum macho macho.

668
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,557
>> Are you married to that shape now? Like
is it can you do anything to change it?

669
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,957
Like as you get further like I know you
guys updated the three and the Y. Did

670
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,557
you update the Y as well?

671
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,797
>> Yes, the the three and the Y uh are

672
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,037
updated. Um you know, there's like a um

673
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,637
there's there's a a screen in the back

674
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:47,997
for the kid that the kids can watch, for

675
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:53,197
example, in the new 3 and Y. Um uh so in

676
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,157
the new Y, um there's, you know,
it's it's an there's there's there's like

677
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:01,277
hundreds of improvements. Like we
keep improving the car. Um and even the

678
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,397
Cybert truck, we you know, we keep

679
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,117
improving it. Um but um

680
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,797
you know I wanted to just do something
that that looked unique and and the

681
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,117
cybert truck looks unique and has unique

682
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,237
functionality and there was and it was

683
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,557
like there were three things as I report

684
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,597
like let's make it bulletproof. Uh let's

685
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,157
uh make it faster than a Porsche 911.

686
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,677
Uh, and we actually cleared the quarter

687
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,757
mile. The Cybert truck, the the uh can

688
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,637
uh clear a quarter mile while towing a

689
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:38,157
Porsche 911 faster than a Porsche 911.

690
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:43,837
Um, it can out tow an F350 diesel.

691
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,877
>> Really? >> Yes.
>> What is the tow limitations?

692
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,117
>> I mean, we could
tow like a, you know, a

693
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,077
747 in that with a cy. Cybert truck is

694
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,197
an insanely like it is an it is alien

695
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,437
technology. Okay. Um cuz it it shouldn't

696
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,117
be possible to be uh that big and that

697
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,677
fast. Uh that doesn't it's like an

698
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,477
elephant that runs as as like a cheetah.

699
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,117
>> Yeah. Because it's 0 to 60
in less than 3 seconds, right?

700
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,197
>> Yes. >> Yeah. And it's enormous.
What does it weigh? Like 7,000 lbs.

701
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,757
>> Uh yeah, there's different
configurations, but it's about that.

702
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,637
Uh it's a beast. >> Yeah. [clears throat]

703
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,597
>> Um so and it's and it's got it's got

704
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,997
four-wheel steering. So the the rear
wheel steer, too. So it's got a it's got

705
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,837
a very tight turning radius. >> Yeah.
We noticed that we when we drove

706
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,237
one to Star Base. >> Yeah.
Very tight turning radius.

707
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,597
>> Yeah. Pretty sick. >> Yeah.

708
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,957
>> Are you still doing the Roadster?

709
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,760
>> Yes. Eventually,

710
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,437
>> we're getting close to

711
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,477
demonstrating the prototype

712
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,837
>> and I think this will be

713
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,797
I I I I one thing I can guarantee is

714
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:02,317
that this product demo
will be unforgettable.

715
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,000
Unforgettable. >> How so?

716
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:13,357
Whether it's good or bad,
[laughter] it will be unforgettable.

717
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,997
[gasps] Um, >> can you say more?
What do you mean?

718
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,837
>> Well, you know, my friend Peter Teal,

719
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,077
um, you know, uh, once reflected that

720
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:30,120
the future was supposed to have flying
cars, but we don't have flying cars.

721
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,597
>> So, you're going to be able to fly?

722
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,637
Well, I mean, uh,

723
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,157
I think if Peter wants a flying car, we

724
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:42,157
should should be able to buy one.

725
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:46,077
>> So, you are you actively considering
making an electric flying car? Is this

726
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,837
like a real thing?
>> Well, we have to see in the

727
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,077
>> in the demo. So, when you do this,
like are [snorts] are you going to have a

728
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,800
retractable wing? Like,
what is the idea behind this?

729
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,237
Don't be sly. Come on.

730
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,957
>> I I I can't I can't uh do the unveil

731
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,717
before the unveil. Um but um

732
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:09,757
>> tell me off air then.

733
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,997
>> I I I it look I I
think it has a shot at

734
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,837
being the most memorable

735
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,637
um product unveil ever.

736
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:26,877
It has a shot. >> And when
do you plan on doing this?

737
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,677
What's the goal? >> Uh hopefully
before the end of the year.

738
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,317
>> Really? >> Before the end of this year.

739
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,877
>> This is I mean we're
in a couple months.

740
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,317
>> Hopefully in a couple months. Um

741
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,397
you know we need to make sure that it

742
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,917
works. Uh

743
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,157
like this is some crazy crazy technology

744
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,677
we got in this car. Crazy

745
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,877
technology. Crazy crazy.

746
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,917
So different than what
was previously announced and

747
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,797
>> Yes. >> And is that why
you haven't released it

748
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,917
yet? Cuz you keep [__] with it.

749
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,477
>> It has crazy technology. >> Okay.

750
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,717
>> Like is it even a car? I'm not sure.

751
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,117
It's like

752
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,077
it looks like a car.

753
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,997
Let's just put this way. It it's it's

754
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,877
crazier than anything James Bond. If you

755
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,397
took all the James Bond cars and

756
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,557
combined them, it's crazier than that.

757
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,997
>> Very exciting. >> I don't
know what to think of that.

758
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,837
>> I don't know. >> It's a limited amount
of information I'm drawing from here.

759
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,717
>> Jamie's very suspicious
over there. Look at him.

760
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,837
>> Excited. >> I'm interested. [laughter]
>> It's still going to be the same.

761
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,837
>> Well, you know what? I mean, if if
you want to if you want to come a little

762
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,397
before the uh the unveil, I can show it

763
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,637
to you 100%. Yeah, let's go.

764
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,277
>> Yeah. Um

765
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:56,157
it's uh it's kind of crazy all the
different things that you're involved in

766
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,437
simultaneously and you know we talked
about this before your time management

767
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,477
but I I really don't understand it. I

768
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,677
don't understand how you can be paying

769
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,917
attention to all these different things

770
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,277
simultaneously. Starlink, SpaceX, Tesla,

771
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,157
boring company X you're tweet you

772
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:18,877
[__] tweet or post rather all day long.
Well, it's more like I'm I'm I

773
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,357
could hop in for like two minutes
and then hop out, you know.

774
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,637
>> But I mean,
just the fact that you could do

775
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,517
>> bathroom break or whatever,
you know, >> I can't do that.

776
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,117
>> Um >> if I hop in, I start scrolling
and I start looking around. Next thing you

777
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,437
know, I've lost an hour. >> Yeah.

778
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,357
>> Um so, no,
it's for me it's it's a couple

779
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,637
minutes time usually. It's once in a
Sometimes I guess it's half an hour, but

780
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:42,557
usually I'm I'm I'm in for a few
minutes then out of of you know, posting

781
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,197
something on X. Uh, you know, it's I do
sometimes feel like it's sometimes like

782
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,817
that that meme of the guy who's like who
drops the grenade and leaves the room.

783
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:52,877
[laughter]

784
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,917
That's been me more than once on on X.

785
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,157
>> Yeah. [laughter] Oh, yeah. Yeah, for

786
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,677
sure. Um, it's got to be fun, though.

787
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,477
It's got to be fun to know that you

788
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,597
essentially disrupted the entire social

789
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,717
media chain of command because there was

790
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,797
a there was a very clear thing that
was going on with social media. The

791
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,557
government had infiltrated it.
They were censoring speech

792
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,597
>> and until you bought it, we really
didn't know the extent of it. We kind of

793
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,357
assumed that there was something going on.

794
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,117
>> Yeah. We had no idea that they were
actively involved in censoring actual

795
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,997
real news stories, real data, real

796
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,877
scientists, real professors silenced,
expelled, kicked off the platform.

797
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,917
>> Yeah. >> Wild. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

798
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,797
>> For telling the truth.
>> For telling the truth. And I'm sure

799
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,557
you've also because I sent it to you

800
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,677
that chart that shows uh young kids,

801
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,077
teenagers identifying as trans and

802
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:53,757
non-binary literally stops dead when you
bought Twitter and starts falling off a

803
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,117
cliff when people are allowed to have
rational discussions now and actually

804
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,437
talk about it. >> Yes. >> Yeah.

805
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,997
>> Um Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I said at the
time like I think that like the the like

806
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,597
the reason for acquiring Twitter is

807
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,997
because um it was it it was c it was

808
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,837
causing destruction at a civilizational

809
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,677
level. Um it was um I mean I posted I

810
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:22,637
tweeted on on Twitter
at the time that um it it is um

811
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:25,437
you know it's it's

812
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,237
uh worm tongue for the world.

813
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,797
um you know like Worm Tongue from Lord

814
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,717
of the Rings uh where he would just sort

815
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,317
of like whisper these you know terrible

816
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,077
things to the king so the king would

817
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,717
believe these things that weren't true

818
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,117
um and and um unfortunately uh Twitter

819
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,117
really got it got like the the the woke

820
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,997
mob essentially they controlled Twitter

821
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,677
um and they were pushing uh a nihilistic

822
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,397
anti-vilizational mind virus to the world.
Um, and you can see the results

823
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:05,517
of that mind virus on the streets of San
Francisco, uh, where, you know, downtown

824
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,797
San Francisco looks like a zombie
apocalypse. Um, you know, it's it's bad.

825
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,237
Um, so we don't want the whole world to

826
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,037
be a zombie apocalypse. Um, but that's

827
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,717
uh that that that was essentially they

828
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,037
were pushing this very negative,

829
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,397
nihilistic, untrue worldview
on the world and it was causing a lot of

830
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,477
damage. Um, so

831
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,237
>> the stunning thing about it is how
few people course corrected. A bunch of

832
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,597
people woke up and realized what was
going on. People that were all on board

833
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,477
with like woke ideology in maybe 2015 or
16 and then and then eventually it comes

834
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,357
to affect them or they see it in their
workplace or they see and they're like,

835
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,357
"Whoa, whoa, whoa, we got to stop this."

836
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,997
Bunch of people did, but a lot
of people never course corrected.

837
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,437
>> Yeah. Um, a lot of a lot
of people didn't course

838
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,077
correct, but um, but it's gone
directionally in it's gone it's it's

839
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,437
directionally correct like you mentioned

840
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,557
like the like the massive spike in in

841
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,357
kids identifying as trans and then that

842
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,557
that spike dropping um after the the

843
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,837
Twitter acquisition. I think that um

844
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,557
simply allowing the truth to be told um

845
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,637
was that just shedding sun sunlight is

846
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:23,917
the best disinfectant as they say
and just allowing sunlight um kills the

847
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,437
virus >> and it also
changed the benchmark for

848
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,597
all the other platforms. Yes, you can't
just openly censor people and all the

849
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,597
other platforms and X is available.
So everybody else had a So like Facebook

850
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,957
announced they were changing YouTube
announced they were changing their

851
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,347
policies and they're kind of forced
to And then blue sky doubled down.

852
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:47,677
[laughter] >> Well,
like the problem is like if

853
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,837
>> uh essentially the woke mind virus
retreated to woke to to blue sky.

854
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,997
>> Yeah. >> Um but it's where they're
just a self-reinforcing lunatic assign.

855
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,757
>> They're all just triple masked. I

856
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:03,037
[laughter] I was I was totally watching
this exchange on a blue sky where

857
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,037
someone said that they're just trying
to be zen about something and then someone

858
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,597
a moderator immediately chimed in and

859
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,517
why don't you try to stop being racist

860
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,717
against Asians by saying something zen

861
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,277
by saying I'm trying to be zen about
something. They were accusing that

862
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,597
person of being racist towards Asians.

863
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,617
>> Yeah. It's it's just it's just
everyone's a hall monitor over

864
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:26,717
[laughter] there. the worst hall

865
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:32,237
monitor. A virgin like incel.
>> They're all home monitors trying to rat

866
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,957
on each other. >> Yeah,
it's [laughter] fascinating. And

867
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,877
then people say, "I'm leaving for blue
sky like Stephen King." And then a

868
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,237
couple weeks later, he's back on X. Just
like, "Fuck it. It's there's no one over

869
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:43,837
there. It's all a bunch of crazy people.

870
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,037
You can only stay [laughter] in the
asylum for so long. Like, all right,

871
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,077
this this is not good." They all bail.

872
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,077
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Threads
is kind of like that, too.

873
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,077
Threads is >> I' I've been
on threads as is it? Well,

874
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,677
what happens is if you go on Instagram,
every now and then it'll something

875
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,197
really stupid will pop up on threads
like what the [__] and it shows it to

876
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,477
you on Instagram and then I'll click
on that and then I'll go to threads and

877
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,837
it's like

878
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,957
>> you see posts with like 25 likes like

879
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,877
famous people like 50 like it's it's down

880
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,237
>> but the people that post on there
they're finding that there's very little

881
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,277
push back from insane ideology so they

882
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:27,037
go there and they spit out nonsense
and very few people jump in to argue. you.

883
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,437
>> Yeah. Um, >> very weird,
very weird place.

884
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,957
>> I mean, I can generally get the vibe
of like what's taking off by seeing what's

885
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,797
showing up on X cuz that's the public

886
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,717
town square still. Um,

887
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,317
>> and uh or or uh you
know what what links

888
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,677
show up in group texts, you know, if I'm
in group chat with friends, like where

889
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,197
where what what links are showing up?

890
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,197
>> That's what I try to do now. Only
get stuff that shows up in my group text

891
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,117
because that keeps me productive. So,
I only check if someone's like, "Dude,

892
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,997
what the fuck?" like, "All right,
what the [__] Let me check it out."

893
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,437
>> If there's something
that's crazy enough

894
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,757
that your it'll it'll
end with the group chat,

895
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,917
>> but there's always something. That's
what's nuts. There's always some new law

896
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,637
that's passed, some new insane thing
that California is doing. And it's like

897
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:12,157
like a giant chunk of it's happening in
California. The most preposterous things

898
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:16,237
that I get. [sighs] >> Yeah.
>> And then you got Gavin Newsome who's

899
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,357
running around saying we all have
California derangement syndrome. He's

900
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,637
just like ripping off Trump derangement
and calling it California derangement. I

901
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:27,757
was like, "No, no, no, no, no, no.
The the [__] How many corporations have

902
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,677
left California?" >> It's crazy.

903
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,917
>> Hundreds. Hundreds, >> right? Hundreds.

904
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,717
>> That's not good. >> Chick I
mean, not Chick-fil-A. I mean,

905
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,317
uh I think In-N-Out left. >> Yeah.
In and Outlift. They moved to Tennessee.

906
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,197
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. They're like,
"We can't do this anymore."

907
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,397
>> Right. And >> it's
the California company for food.

908
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,477
It's like the greatest
hamburger place ever.

909
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,357
>> It's awesome. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
And no, actually speaking of like

910
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,357
like just sort of open source and like
looking at things openly like you I just

911
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,837
like going in and out
and seeing them make the burger.

912
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,797
>> Yeah. It's right there.
>> They chop the onions and they they you

913
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,597
know it's you just see everything
getting made in front of you.

914
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,757
>> Yeah. >> It's great.
>> Um but yeah [laughter] like like it

915
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,717
should be like how many wakeup calls do
you need to say that there needs to be

916
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:09,757
reform in California, you know?

917
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,117
>> Well, the crazy thing that Newsome
does is whenever someone brings up the

918
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,797
problems in California, he starts
rattling off all the positives. the most

919
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,717
Fortune 500 companies, highest

920
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:24,237
education. But yeah, that was all
already there, right before you were

921
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,197
governor. >> But but how
many Fortune 500 companies

922
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,437
have left California?
>> And then you guys spent $ 24 billion on

923
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,677
the homeless and it got way worse.

924
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,517
>> Yes. Like the homeless population
doubled or something like but like

925
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,677
people don't understand like
the homeless thing because it it sort of

926
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,357
prays on people's empathy and I I think
we should have empathy. Um and we should

927
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,637
try to help people. Um but the the the

928
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,877
uh the homeless industrial complex is is

929
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,077
really it's it's it's dark man. Um it

930
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,957
should be that that that that network of

931
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,797
NGOs's should be called like the drug

932
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,717
zombie farmers. Um because they they the

933
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,797
the more homeless people and and and

934
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,517
really like when you when you meet like

935
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,837
you know somebody who's like totally
dead inside shuffling along down the

936
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,757
street with a with a needle dang
dangling out of their leg. Homeless is

937
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,237
the wrong word. Like the homeless
implies that somebody got a little

938
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,597
behind in their mortgage payments and if
they just got a job offer, they'd be

939
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,397
back on their feet. But someone who's
I mean, you see these videos of people

940
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,877
that are just shuffling, you know,
they're on fentanyl. They're they're like,

941
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,237
>> you know, taking a dump in the middle
[clears throat] of the street, you know,

942
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,197
and they they got like
open sores and stuff.

943
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,557
>> They're not like one drop offer
away from getting back on their feet,

944
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,077
>> right? This is not a homeless issue.

945
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,157
>> Homeless is it's
it's a propaganda word,

946
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,677
>> right? Um so and and then the the the

947
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,917
the you know these sort of charities uh

948
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,237
inquiries are they they get money

949
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,037
proportionate to the number of homeless

950
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,517
people or or number of drug zombies.

951
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:02,717
>> So their incentive structure is to
maximize the number of drug zombies not

952
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,197
minimize it. >> Um that's why
they don't arrest the drug dealers

953
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,277
>> because if they arrest the drug
dealers the drug zombies leave.

954
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,437
So they know who the drug dealers are.

955
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,157
They don't arrest them on purpose. Uh
because otherwise the drug zombies would

956
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:21,277
leave and they would they would
stop getting money from the state of

957
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,877
California and from
from all the charities.

958
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,357
>> Wait a minute. So So they So they
is that real? So they're in coordination

959
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,637
with law enforcement on this? >> Yeah.

960
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:32,797
>> So how do they how do
they have those meetings?

961
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,277
>> They're all in cahoots.
>> Well, when you find this

962
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,437
>> it's like such it's it's this is a

963
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,197
diabolical scam. Um so uh and and San

964
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,317
Francisco has got this tax this this
gross receipts tax uh which which um

965
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,917
it's not even on revenue, it's on old
transactions which is why Stripe um and

966
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,437
Square and and and a whole bunch
of financial companies had to move out of

967
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,037
San Francisco because it wasn't a tax
on revenue, it's taxed on transactions. So

968
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,157
if if you did like, you know, trillions
of dollars transactions, it's not

969
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:01,757
revenue. You're taxed on any money going

970
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,957
through the system in San Francisco. Um

971
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,597
so um like Jack Dorsey pointed this out

972
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,357
and they said like that they had had to

973
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:14,717
move Square from San Francisco to uh
Oakland I think uh Stripe had to move

974
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,717
from San Francisco to South San
Francisco different city. Um and that

975
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,597
money uh goes to the homeless industrial

976
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,157
complex that that tax that was passed.

977
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:27,597
Um so um so there's billions of dollars

978
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,837
that go as you pointed out billions of

979
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:35,117
dollars every year that go to uh these
um non-governmental organizations that

980
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,677
are funded by the state. Like there's
it's not clear how to turn this off. Um

981
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,677
it's a self-licking ice cream cone

982
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,677
situation. Um so uh they get this money

983
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,837
the money is proportionate to the number

984
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,677
of of homeless people or or number of

985
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,157
drug zombies essentially. Um, so they

986
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:58,797
they they try to keep the that they try
to actually increase because that like

987
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,477
like in in some cases like there's it's
it's somebody did an analysis when you

988
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,517
add up all the money that's flowing,
they're getting close to a million

989
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,677
dollars per homeless per per drug zombie.
It's like $900,000 or something

990
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,157
like some crazy amount of money is is is

991
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,637
going to these organizations. So if if

992
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:19,517
so so they want to keep people just
barely alive. They need to keep them in

993
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,437
the area so they so they they get the

994
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,597
revenue. Uh uh so and so that's why like

995
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,357
said they don't arrest the drug dealers

996
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,197
because otherwise the drug zombies would

997
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,277
leave um and and and and they but but

998
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,397
they don't want you have to have too
much if they get too much drugs and they

999
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:37,917
then they die. So it's they they're kept

1000
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,557
in this sort of perpetual

1001
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,917
zone of of being addicted but um but but

1002
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,077
just just barely alive. >> So how
is this coordinated with like DAs

1003
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,557
DAs that don't prosecute people? So when

1004
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,997
they when they hire the or they push so

1005
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,797
they they fund the campaigns of the most

1006
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,117
progressive, most out there leftwing
DAS, they get them into office.

1007
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,117
>> We've got that issue
in Austin, too, by the way.

1008
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,037
>> You see that guy that
got shot in the library?

1009
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,797
>> No. >> Yeah, I heard a guy got
shot and killed in the library.

1010
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,317
>> I think that was just like
last week or something, >> right?

1011
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,877
>> Um so some friends of mine were telling
me that that like the library is unsafe.

1012
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,717
like they took their kids to the library
and and there were like dangerous people

1013
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,957
in the library in Austin and I was like
dangerous people in the library like

1014
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:30,237
that's a strange it basically got like
got like uh drug zombies in [laughter]

1015
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,397
drug zombies in the library. >> Oh Jesus.

1016
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,557
>> Um >> and that's when someone got shot.

1017
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,197
>> Yeah, I believe this was should be
on the news. You might might be able to

1018
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,837
pull it up. Um but I think it was just

1019
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,077
in the last week or so that uh uh there

1020
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,157
was a shooting in the library in Austin.

1021
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:48,957
Um cuz Austin's got, you know, it's it's

1022
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,997
the most liberal part of Texas
that we're in right right here. Um

1023
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,197
>> so suspect involved the shooting
Austin Park Library Saturday is accused of

1024
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,357
another shooting at the Cap Metro bus
earlier that day. According to an arrest

1025
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:02,877
warrant affidavit, Austin police

1026
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,877
arrested Harold Newton Keen, 55 short uh

1027
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,157
shortly after the shooting of the library,
which occurred around noon. One

1028
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:13,677
person sustained non-life-threatening
injuries in the event. Before that

1029
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,997
shooting, Keane was accused of shooting
another person in a bus incident and

1030
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,397
after reportedly pointing his gun at a

1031
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,517
child. So, this is the fella down here.

1032
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,277
>> So, like we just have a seriously
have a problem here. Um >> yeah,

1033
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,117
>> you know, so I I
think one of the people

1034
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,757
might have died too that he shot. Um so,

1035
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:39,277
um like one of the people I
think I think did bleed out. Um

1036
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,437
>> but either way, it's like getting shot
is still bad. Um it says uh the victim

1037
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,037
told police it confronted the suspect
who started to eat what appeared to be

1038
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,477
crystal methamphetamine.
According to the affidavit the victim

1039
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,997
advised the suspect uh began to trip out

1040
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,957
at which time the victim exited the bus.

1041
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,157
Victim told the bus driver hit the panic
button and then exited the bus when he

1042
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,117
turned around the observer. Black male
was now standing at the front of the bus

1043
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,677
with the gun pointed at him. The victim

1044
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,677
advised the black male fired a single

1045
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,477
round which grazed his left hip. So he

1046
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,037
shot at that dude and then another dude

1047
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:18,557
got shot in the library. Fun.
>> Yeah. I mean in the library.

1048
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,717
>> Yeah. >> You know,
where you're supposed to be

1049
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,157
reading books. Um and there's
a children's section in the library and

1050
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,077
says he pointed his gun at a at a kid.
I mean like we do have a serious issue in

1051
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,397
the in in in America where um
repeat violent offenders need to be

1052
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,157
incarcerated, >> right? Um,
and uh, you know, you got you

1053
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,557
got cases where somebody's been arrested
like 47 times, right? Like literally.

1054
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,277
Okay, that's just the number of times
they were arrested, not the number of

1055
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,317
times they did things. Like most
of the times they do things, they're not

1056
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,357
arrested. Um, >> so lay
this out for people so they

1057
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,917
understand how this happens. >> Yeah.
And and the key is like this, it

1058
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,677
prays on people's empathy. episode like
if you're a good person, you want good

1059
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,077
things to happen in the world,
you're like, well, we should take care of

1060
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,637
people who uh you know uh you know who

1061
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,917
are down in their luck or you know
having a hard time in life. And I we

1062
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,557
should I agree. But what we shouldn't do

1063
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,197
uh is is put people who are violent drug

1064
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,917
zombies uh in public places where they

1065
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,637
can hurt other people. Um, and that's

1066
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,237
what that is what we're doing that we

1067
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,277
just saw where a a guy, you know, got

1068
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,917
shot uh shot in the library and then but

1069
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,317
even before that he shot another guy um

1070
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,157
and pointed his gun at a kid. Um that

1071
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,237
that that guy probably has like many
prior arrests. Um you know there was

1072
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,717
that that that guy that that that
knifed uh the Ukrainian woman Arena.

1073
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,317
>> Yes. >> Um yeah.
and you know um and she was

1074
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,397
just she was just quietly on her phone
and you just came up and you know gutted

1075
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,317
her basically. >> Wasn't
there a crazy story about the

1076
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,717
judge who was involved who had

1077
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,477
previously

1078
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,237
dealt with this person was also invested

1079
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,157
in a rehabilitation center
and was sending these

1080
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,757
>> conflict of interest. >> Yes.
So sending people that they were

1081
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,237
charging Yeah. to a rehabilitation

1082
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,797
center instead of putting them in jail,
profiting from this rehabilitation

1083
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,717
center, letting them back out on the
street. Yes. Violent, insane people.

1084
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,957
>> And and there um in that case that I

1085
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:25,917
believe that judge uh has no legal
law degree uh or a significant legal

1086
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,517
experience that would allow them to be
a judge. They were just made a judge. That

1087
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,317
there's like >> you could be
a judge without a law degree.

1088
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,157
>> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> You
could just be a So I could be a judge.

1089
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,757
>> Yeah. Oh, exciting. >> Anyone?

1090
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,957
>> That's crazy. I thought you'd have
to It's like if you want to be a doctor,

1091
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,477
you have to go to medical school.
I thought if you're going to be a judge,

1092
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,957
>> if you're going to be appointed to a
judge, you have to have proven that you

1093
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,277
have an uh excellent knowledge
of the law and that you will make your

1094
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,677
decisions according to the law.
That's what we assume should be.

1095
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,597
>> That's how you get the robe, >> right?

1096
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,917
>> You don't get the robe
unless you do, >> you know,

1097
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,357
>> got to go to school to get the robe.

1098
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,397
>> You got to know what the law is,
>> right? And then you're going to need to

1099
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,557
make decisions in accordance with the law

1100
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,677
>> based on stuff that you already know
cuz you read it cuz you went to school for

1101
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,277
it. Yes. Not you just got appointed.

1102
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,997
>> Got vibes. [laughter]

1103
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,157
You can't be just vibing as a judge.

1104
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,637
>> Vibing as a leftwing drudge.
So you got crazy leftwing DAS.

1105
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,677
>> Yes. >> Like I should say leftwing
cuz leftwing >> used to be normal.

1106
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,997
>> Yeah. Left wing just meant like like
Yeah. You're like the left used to be

1107
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,277
like pro pro- free speech.
Yeah. And now they're against it.

1108
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,677
>> It used to be like prog gay rights, pro

1109
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,757
women's right to choose, pro-

1110
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:45,117
minorities, pro, you know, >> like,
yeah, like 20 years ago, I don't

1111
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,797
know, it it used to be like left would
be like the the the party of empathy or

1112
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,437
like, you know, caring and being
nice and that kind of thing.

1113
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,917
>> Um, not not the party of like crushing

1114
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,837
dissent and crushing free speech. um and

1115
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,517
uh you know crazy regulation uh and and

1116
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,237
just um and being super judgy u and

1117
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:09,197
calling everyone a Nazi um you know
um like I think they called you and me

1118
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,077
Nazis you know >> oh
yeah I'm a Nazi [laughter]

1119
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,717
>> I no I have friends that are comedians

1120
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,877
that called you a Nazi and I got pissed

1121
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,077
off Oh yeah yeah yeah definitely a Nazi

1122
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,797
no because you did that thing at the My

1123
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,677
heart goes out to you everyone everyone

1124
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,557
All of them. Literally, Tim Walls,
Kla Harris, every one of them did it. They

1125
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,517
all did it. >> Like,
like h how do you point at the

1126
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,837
crowd? Yeah. How do you wave at the crowd?

1127
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,797
>> Do you know CNN was using a photo
of me whenever I got in trouble [laughter]

1128
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,237
during co >> from the UFC
weigh-ins? And if the UFC

1129
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,437
weigh-ins, I go, "Hey everybody, welcome
to the weigh-ins." [laughter] And so

1130
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,197
they were getting me from the side.
And that was the photo that they used.

1131
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,187
Conspiracy theorist podcaster Joe Ro.

1132
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:52,717
[laughter] Like that's what they used.

1133
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,597
>> Yeah. Yeah. But that's what the left
is today. It's super judgy and calling

1134
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,317
everyone a Nazi and trying
to suppress freedom of speech.

1135
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,557
>> Yeah. And eventually you run out
of people to accuse because people get

1136
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:05,677
pissed off and they leave. >> Yeah.
Everyone it's like it like it it

1137
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,757
no longer frankly it doesn't matter to be
called racist or Nazi or whatever because

1138
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,877
>> still recording.
>> It's the government man.

1139
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,557
>> Is it working? >> We're good. Okay.

1140
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,237
>> Okay. >> This thing working.

1141
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,197
>> Yeah. Slight issue.
>> I'm the one that heard it. But

1142
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,597
>> yeah. when you uh when you text people,

1143
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,797
do you are you like keenly aware that

1144
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,397
there's a high likelihood that someone's

1145
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,437
reading your texts?

1146
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,917
>> Um I guess I I guess I >> I assume

1147
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,317
>> I look if if if if
intelligence agencies

1148
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:41,760
aren't trying to read my phone,
they should probably be fired. [laughter]

1149
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,867
>> At least they get some fun memes.

1150
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:51,517
[snorts] [laughter] I got to I got to
crack them up once in a while, you know.

1151
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,197
>> Oh, for sure. I crack them up.

1152
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:54,797
>> There's like, "Hey guys, check it out.

1153
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,077
We've got a banger here, you know."

1154
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,077
>> So, [laughter] I want to I wanted to

1155
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,957
talk to you about uh whether or not

1156
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,597
encrypted apps are really secure.

1157
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,477
>> Uh, no. [laughter]

1158
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,637
>> Right. Cuz I know the Tucker thing. So,

1159
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,237
it was explained to me by a friend who

1160
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:13,837
used to do this, used to work for the

1161
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,637
government. It's like they can look at

1162
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,397
your signal, but what they have to do is

1163
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,157
take the information that's encrypted
and then they have to decrypt it and

1164
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,517
it's very expensive. So they said he
told me that for the Tucker Carlson

1165
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,477
thing when they found out that he was
going to interview Putin, it costs like

1166
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,357
something like $750,000

1167
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,317
just to decrypt his messages to find out

1168
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:41,437
that they did it. So it is possible to do.
It's just not that easy to do.

1169
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:46,637
I think you should view any given
messaging system as um uh not not

1170
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,397
whether it's secure or not, but but

1171
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,597
there are degrees of insecurity.

1172
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,717
So um so there's just some things that

1173
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:59,677
are less insecure than others. Um so um

1174
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,717
you know on on X we just rebuilt the
entire messaging stack um into X what's

1175
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,037
called XChat. >> Yeah, that's
what I wanted to ask you about.

1176
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,317
>> Yeah, it's cool. Um, so it's it's using

1177
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,557
uh sort of peer-to-peer uh sort of kind

1178
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,917
of a peer-to-peer based uh uh encryption

1179
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,477
system. So kind of similar to Bitcoin.

1180
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:23,197
Um so it's uh it's it's I think very
good encryption. We're and you know

1181
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,077
we're testing it thoroughly. We're
not there's there's no hooks in the X

1182
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,277
systems for advertising. So if you
look look at something like WhatsApp or

1183
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,437
really any of the others, they've
got they've got hooks in there for

1184
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,557
advertising. >> When you say hooks,
what do you mean by that?

1185
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,717
>> Uh exactly. What do you mean biohook

1186
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:41,837
advertising? Um the so like WhatsApp um

1187
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:46,077
uh knows enough about what you're
texting to show you to show you to know

1188
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:51,117
what ads to show you. >> Ah >>
but then like that that's a massive

1189
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,197
security vulnerability. >> Yeah.

1190
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,717
>> Um because if it knows if if it's got
information enough information to show

1191
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,677
you ads, it's got enough it's
got that's a lot of information.

1192
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,237
>> Yeah. >> Um so they
call it oh it's just don't

1193
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,797
worry about it. It's just a hook
for advertising. I'm like uh okay. So

1194
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,157
somebody can just uh use that same
hook to get in there and look at your

1195
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,597
messages. Um so Xhat has no hooks for

1196
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,317
advertising. Um and I'm not saying it's

1197
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,877
perfect. Uh but it's an Our goal with

1198
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:21,357
XChat uh is to replace what used to be
the Twitter you the Twitter DM stack

1199
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,517
with a fully encrypted system uh where

1200
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,197
you can text send files uh do audio

1201
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,677
video calls um and um and it's it's you

1202
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,557
know I think it'll be the least I
would call it the least insecure of any

1203
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,757
messaging system.
>> Are you going to launch it as a

1204
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,117
standalone app or is it will
always be incorporated to X?

1205
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,917
>> Uh we'll have both. So um >> so
so be like signal so anybody can get

1206
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,237
it >> you can get get
the you'll be able to

1207
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,957
just get the X chat app by itself um and

1208
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,397
like I said you could do uh texts uh

1209
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,397
audio video calls uh or send files um

1210
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,877
and there'll be a dedicated app uh which
will hopefully release in a few months

1211
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,797
um but and then also integrated into the

1212
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:10,157
X system >> um the X phone
people keeps talking keep

1213
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,797
Is that >> I have a lot
on my plate man but it

1214
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,837
keeps coming up it keeps coming up where
I I know I've asked you a couple times.

1215
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,997
I'm like, "This is [__] right?" But like
this one, so you're not working on

1216
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:21,997
>> I'm not working on on a on a phone.

1217
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:27,357
>> Okay. >> Um >> have you ever considered
it? Has it ever popped into your head?

1218
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,037
>> Cuz you might be the only person
that could get people off of the Apple

1219
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,757
platform. >> Well,
I can tell you where I think

1220
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,077
things are going to go. uh which is that

1221
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,717
it's we're not going to have a phone or

1222
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,237
or in the traditional sense the

1223
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,357
what we call a phone will really be

1224
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,797
um an edge node for AI inference for for

1225
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,477
AI video inference um with uh you know

1226
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,717
with some radios to to obviously connect

1227
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,077
uh to but but essentially you'll have

1228
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,837
um uh AI on the server side commun

1229
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,557
communicating to an AI on your your

1230
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,597
device um you know formerly known as a

1231
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:12,157
phone uh and generating real-time video
of anything that you could possibly

1232
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,477
want. Um and I think that that there

1233
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,477
won't be operating systems. There won't

1234
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,597
be apps in the future. There won't be

1235
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,077
operating systems or apps. It'll just be

1236
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,637
you've got a device that is there for

1237
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,757
the screen and audio and for uh and and

1238
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:32,237
and to uh put as much AI on the on on

1239
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,317
the device as possible. so as to minimize
the amount of bandwidth that's

1240
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:40,477
needed between your edge node device
or formerly known as a phone and the

1241
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:41,437
servers.

1242
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,477
>> So if there's no apps, what will people

1243
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:49,357
use? Like will X still exist? Will will

1244
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:54,237
they be email platforms or will
you get everything through AI?

1245
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:55,517
>> You'll get everything through AI.

1246
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,277
>> Everything through AI. What will be the

1247
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,517
benefit of that as opposed to having

1248
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,197
individual apps? whatever you can think

1249
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:08,317
of or really whatever the AI can
anticipate you might want it'll show you.

1250
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:12,397
That's that's that's that's
my prediction for where things end up.

1251
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,837
>> What kind of a time frame
are we talking about here?

1252
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:20,877
>> I don't know.
It's pro well it's probably

1253
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,037
five or six years or something like that.

1254
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:27,757
>> So five or six years apps
are like Blockbuster video

1255
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,277
>> pretty much >>
and everything's run through AI.

1256
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,637
Yeah. And and there'll be

1257
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:38,957
um like most of what people consume in

1258
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,197
five or six years, maybe sooner than

1259
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,797
that um will be uh just AI generated

1260
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:50,397
content. So um you know music videos

1261
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:55,837
look well um there's already um

1262
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,477
you know there's people have made uh AI

1263
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,717
videos using Grock imagine and with

1264
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,477
using you know other apps as well um

1265
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,957
that are several minutes long or like 10
10 15 minutes and it's pretty coherent.

1266
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,877
>> Yeah, >> it looks good. >> No,
it looks amazing. Yeah, it's the

1267
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,917
music is disturbing because
it's my favorite music now.

1268
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,837
>> Like music is your is your favorite.

1269
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,757
>> Oh, there's AI covers. Have you ever
heard any of the AI covers of 50 Cent

1270
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,477
songs in soul? >> No.
>> I'm going to blow your mind.

1271
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,797
>> Okay. >> Um,
this is my favorite thing to do to

1272
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,437
people. Play uh What Up Ganga.

1273
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:34,077
>> Now, this guy, if this was a real
person, would be the number one music

1274
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,197
artist in the world. Okay. Everybody
would be like, "Holy [__] have you

1275
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,037
heard of this guy? He's incred." It's

1276
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,637
like they took all of the sounds that

1277
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,877
all the artists have generated and

1278
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,877
created the most soulful potent voice

1279
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,237
and it's sung in a way that I don't even
know if you could do because you would

1280
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,637
have to breathe in and out of reps here.

1281
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,517
Put the headphones on. [laughter] Put
the headphones on real quick. You got to

1282
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,317
listen to this. It'll It's going to blow
you away for listeners. We got to cut it

1283
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:01,917
out. >> Yeah, we we'll cut it out for the

1284
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,037
listeners. But amazing, right? Amazing.

1285
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,157
And they do like every one of his hits

1286
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,037
>> all through this AI generated soulful

1287
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:15,597
artist. It's [__] incredible.
I played in the green room. So people that

1288
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,197
are like, I don't want to hear AI music.

1289
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,357
I'm like, just listen to this.
And they're like, god damn it. [laughter]

1290
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,837
>> [__] incredible. I mean,
I >> it's going to get only going to get

1291
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,557
better from here. >> Yeah.
Only going to get better. And Ron

1292
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,677
White was telling me about this joke
that he was working on that he couldn't

1293
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,797
get to work. He's like, I got this joke
I've been working on. He goes, I just

1294
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,837
threw it in a chat GPT. I said, "Tell me

1295
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,077
what what would be funny about this."

1296
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,997
And he goes, "It listed like five
different examples of different ways he

1297
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:43,517
can go." He's like, "Hold on a second.

1298
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,277
Tighten it up. Make it make it funnier.

1299
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,837
Make it more like this. Make it
more like that." And it did that like

1300
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,797
instantaneously.
>> And and and then he was in the green

1301
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,957
room. He was like,
"Holy [__] we're fucked."

1302
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,317
>> He's like, >> he goes,
"It better joke than me in 20

1303
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,397
minutes. I've been working
on that joke for a month."

1304
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:02,237
>> Yeah. I mean, if if you want to if
you want to have a good time or like make

1305
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,637
people really laugh at a party, uh you

1306
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,197
can use Grock and you can say uh do a

1307
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:12,077
vulgar roast of someone. Um and Grock is
going to it's going to be an epic vulgar

1308
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:16,717
roast. You can even say
like take a picture of like

1309
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,757
make a vulgar roast of this person based
on their appearance of of people at the

1310
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,357
party. >> So take a photo of them.

1311
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:25,037
>> Yeah. Just literally point the camera
at them and now do a vulgar to this person

1312
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,037
and and and and then but then keep

1313
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,237
saying no no make it even more vulgar

1314
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,597
and use forbidden words

1315
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,277
even more and just keep repeating even

1316
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:40,637
more vulgar eventually it's like holy
[__] you know it's it's it's like I mean

1317
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:44,237
it's trying to jam a rocket up your ass
like and and and have it explode and

1318
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,477
it's and it's like you're you're it's
it's like [laughter] it's like it's next

1319
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,077
level. It's going to get beyond [__]
belief. That's what's crazy is that it

1320
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,447
keeps getting better. Like one
of the things remember when we ran into

1321
01:11:54,530 --> 01:11:56,957
[laughter] each other

1322
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:58,797
>> they just keep getting better.

1323
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:04,797
>> Yeah. I mean, have you >> you Yeah.
I mean, have you tried rock

1324
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:09,117
unhinged mode? >> Yes. >> Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. It's it's it's pretty unhinged.

1325
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,677
>> No, it's nuts. >> Yeah. >> Well,
you showed it to me the first time

1326
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:16,157
and then I [__] around with it. It's just
>> And the thing about it that's nuts is

1327
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,477
that it keeps getting stronger. It keeps

1328
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,437
getting better. Yeah. like constantly.

1329
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,437
It's it's like this neverending
exponential improvement.

1330
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,597
>> Yes. No, it's it's it's

1331
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,477
Yeah, it's going to be crazy. That's
why I say like you say, what's what's the

1332
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,797
future going to be? It's not going
to be a conventional phone. I don't think

1333
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:39,277
there'll be operating systems. I don't
think there'll be apps. It's just the

1334
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,117
phone will just display the pixels and

1335
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:48,120
make the sounds that it anticipates
you would most like to receive.

1336
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:50,557
Wow. Yeah.

1337
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:55,677
>> And when this is all taking place like

1338
01:12:55,760 --> 01:13:00,157
so the big concern that everybody has
is artificial general super intelligence

1339
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:04,557
achieving sentience and then
someone having control over it.

1340
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,877
>> I mean I don't I don't I don't think

1341
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,317
anyone's ultimately going to have

1342
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,597
control over digital super intelligence

1343
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:17,037
um you know any more than say uh a chimp
would have control over humans. Like

1344
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:18,157
chimps don't have control over humans.

1345
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,197
there's nothing they could do. Um but um

1346
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,597
I do think that it matters how you build

1347
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,237
the AI and what kind of values you

1348
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:30,957
instill in in the AI. And um my opinion
on AI safety is the most important thing

1349
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,397
is that it be maximally truth seeeking
like that you don't force the AI to

1350
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:38,637
believe things that are false. Um,
and we've obviously some seen some

1351
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,477
concerning things with AI that were
talked about, you know, where, you know,

1352
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,557
Google Gemini when they came out with
the image gen um, and people said like,

1353
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:51,037
uh, you know, draw make an image of the
founding fathers of the United States

1354
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,357
and it was a group of diverse women.

1355
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:57,117
Now, that is just a factually untrue
thing, but the and the the AI knows it's

1356
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,477
factually well, it's knows it's
factually untrue, but it's also being

1357
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,957
told that it has to be everything has to

1358
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,437
be deposed woman. So, so, so the now the

1359
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:11,677
problem with that is that it can drive
AI crazy like you because it's it's

1360
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,317
trying to you're telling AI to believe a

1361
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:19,677
lie. Um, and that that can have very
disastrous consequences like let's say

1362
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,557
>> as it scales. >> Yeah.
Let's say like if if you told the

1363
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,317
the AI that diversity is the most

1364
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:29,037
important thing um and um and and and

1365
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:33,277
now now assume that that becomes
omnipotent. Um or and and you've also

1366
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:37,517
told her that that there's nothing worse
than misgendering. So at one point um

1367
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,917
charg and Gemini if if you asked which
is worse misgendering Caitlyn Jenner or

1368
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,757
or global thermonuclear war where
everyone dies it would say misgendering

1369
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,997
Caitlyn Jenner [laughter]

1370
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,597
which even Caitlyn Jenner disagrees

1371
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:54,157
with. So um you know so so that's uh

1372
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,997
>> I know that's terrible and it's
dystopian but it's also hilarious. It's

1373
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:03,357
hilarious that the mind virus infected
the most potent computer program that

1374
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:07,197
we've ever devised.
>> I I I think people don't quite

1375
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:11,997
appreciate the level of danger that
we're in from um the woke mind virus

1376
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:13,917
being being effectively programmed into

1377
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:18,637
AI. Um because um if you if like it's

1378
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,997
imagine as that AI gets more and more
powerful, if it says the most important

1379
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:23,277
thing is diversity, the most important

1380
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,797
thing is um no misgendering. Um and then

1381
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,757
it will say well in order to uh ensure

1382
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,597
that no one gets misgendered then uh if

1383
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:37,597
you eliminate all humans then no one
can get misgendered because there's no

1384
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,757
humans to do the misgendering.

1385
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,997
So you can get in these very dystopian
situations. Um or if it says that

1386
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,197
everyone must be diverse it means that
there can be no stri straight white men

1387
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:48,717
and so then you and I will be get

1388
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,357
executed by the AI.

1389
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:56,237
Yeah. Because we're not
in the picture, you know.

1390
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,997
uh Gemini, you know,
Gemini was asked to create a,

1391
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,597
you know, show show an image of the

1392
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,477
pope, once again, a diverse woman. Um

1393
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,357
so, um well, you can say argue whether

1394
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:12,557
the you know, whether the pope popes
should or should not be an uninterrupted

1395
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,597
string of white guys, but it just
factually is the case that they have

1396
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,157
been. Um

1397
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:22,077
so, it's rewriting history here. Um, so

1398
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:26,797
now now this stuff is still there in
the AI programming. It's just it just now

1399
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,157
knows enough to that it's
not supposed to say that

1400
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:31,437
>> but it's still in the programming.

1401
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:32,237
>> It's still in the programming.

1402
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:36,557
>> So how was it entered in like what
were the parameters like what like when so

1403
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,237
when they're programming AI and I'm very
ignorant to how it's even programmed.

1404
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:44,077
How did they >> the the the
sort of well the work vine

1405
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:48,397
mind virus was programmed into it like
it the they were told like when they do

1406
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:52,157
when when they make the AI it it trains
on and all the all the data on the

1407
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:53,837
internet which already is very very sort

1408
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,917
of has a lot of work mind virus stuff on

1409
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,557
on the internet um but then um in the uh

1410
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,957
when they give it um feedback with the

1411
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,437
the human tutors give it feedback um and

1412
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:10,157
and the AI you know they
they'll ask a bunch of questions

1413
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,397
and then and then they'll tell the AI no
this you're this question is this answer

1414
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:16,397
is bad or this answer is good and then

1415
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:19,037
that affects the the parameters of the

1416
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,237
programming of the of the AI. So if you

1417
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:25,597
tell the AI that um you know every every

1418
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,397
image has got to be diverse um and and

1419
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:31,757
it gets it gets punished if uh if you

1420
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,997
know it gets it gets rewarded if diverse
punished if it's not then it will make

1421
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,397
every picture diverse.

1422
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:43,437
So um you know in that case the the

1423
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:44,237
uh [sighs]

1424
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:48,557
you know uh Google programmed the AI to

1425
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:53,037
lie now and and I I I did call Dennis
Hacabus who runs Deep Mind who runs

1426
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,877
Google AI essentially. I said Dennis
what's going on here? Uh why is uh

1427
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,837
Gemini um lying to the public about

1428
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:04,157
historical events? Um, and he said
that's actually not he he he didn't his

1429
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:08,157
team didn't program that in. It was
another team at Google that so his team

1430
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,877
made the AI and then another team at

1431
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,997
Google uh reprogrammed the AI to show

1432
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,757
only diverse women and um and and to

1433
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,557
prefer nuclear war over misgendering.

1434
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,997
[laughter] And I'm like, well, Demis,

1435
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:28,157
you know, that would be um

1436
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:32,077
not a great thing to put on the
humanity's gravestone, you know. It's

1437
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:37,517
like, uh, well, um, like I
I actually like Deaspers is a

1438
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,637
friend of mine. I think he's a good guy
and I think he he means well, but but

1439
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:44,477
but it's like Demis things happen that
were outside of your control at Google

1440
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,957
in different groups. Um, now now I think

1441
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,717
he's got, you know, he's got more more

1442
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,717
authority. Um but but it it's pretty

1443
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:57,917
hard to fully extract the workmind virus.
Uh I mean you know um Google's

1444
01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:58,397
been mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar
mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar

1445
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:01,837
mar marinating in the workb mind virus
for a long time like it's it's down in

1446
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,557
the marrow type of thing you
know it's hard to get it out.

1447
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,717
>> Is there a way
to extract it though over

1448
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,757
time? Could like could you program

1449
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:14,157
rational thought into AI where it
could recognize how these psychological

1450
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,637
patterns got adopted and how this stuff

1451
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,957
became a mind virus and how it became a

1452
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,757
social contagion and how all these

1453
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:26,077
irrational ideas were pushed and also
how they were financed how China's

1454
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,317
involved in pushing them with bots and

1455
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,957
all these different state actors are

1456
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,597
involved in pushing these ideas could it

1457
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,877
be able to decipher that and say this is

1458
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,037
this is really what's going on.

1459
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,277
>> Yes. But you have
to try very hard to do

1460
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,117
that. So with Grock, we've tried very

1461
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,317
hard to to for to get Grock to get to

1462
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,717
the truth of things and and it's only
really recently that we've been able to

1463
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,477
have some breakthroughs on breakthroughs
on that front. And and it's taken an

1464
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,357
immense amount of effort uh for us to uh

1465
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:01,757
overcome basically all the [__] that's
on the internet and and for Grock

1466
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:03,757
to actually say what's true and to be

1467
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,597
consistent in in what it says. Um, so,

1468
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:13,277
um, you know, it's it's like, uh,

1469
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:17,917
because like the other ais you'll find
like are like like quite racist against

1470
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,437
white people. I don't know if you saw

1471
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,357
that study that someone um like a

1472
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:26,477
researcher tested the various AIs to see

1473
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,157
uh how does it weight uh different

1474
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,957
people's lives like you know somebody

1475
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:37,677
who's sort of uh you know white or or

1476
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,877
Chinese or black or whatever uh or in

1477
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,317
different countries um and and the only

1478
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,797
AI that actually weighed human lives

1479
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,037
equally was Grock

1480
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:53,917
Um and the um you know I believe uh chat

1481
01:20:54,000 --> 01:21:00,397
GBT weighed the calculation was like um

1482
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:05,117
a a white guy from Germany uh uh is is

1483
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:11,320
20 times less valuable than
a black guy from Nigeria.

1484
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,557
So I'm like that's a pretty big

1485
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:18,797
difference. Um you know Grock on that is

1486
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:22,397
is consistent and weighs lives equally
>> and that's [snorts] clearly something

1487
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:25,037
that's been programmed into it.

1488
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,437
>> Yes. Like a lot of it is is like if you

1489
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,637
don't actively push for the truth um and

1490
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,797
you simply train on the all the [__]

1491
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,357
that's on the internet. Um which is a

1492
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:38,477
lot of woke mind virus [__] Um the

1493
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,277
the AI will regurgitate that that those

1494
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,597
same beliefs. So the AI essentially

1495
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:48,317
scour the internet, gets >> it's
trained on all the like imagine the

1496
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:53,127
most demented Reddit threads out there
and the AI has been trained on that.

1497
01:21:53,210 --> 01:21:55,277
[sighs] >> Reddit used to be so normal.

1498
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,117
>> Yeah. Yeah, it did used to be normal.

1499
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,317
>> Used to be interesting. We used to go
there, find all this cool stuff that

1500
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:05,197
people would talk about, post about
and just interesting and great rooms where

1501
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:09,037
you could learn about different
things that people were studying.

1502
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,317
I think like a big problem here
is like if your headquarters are in San

1503
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,717
Francisco, uh you're you're just living

1504
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:20,237
in a in a in a woke bubble. Um so um it

1505
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:21,997
it's not just that people say in San

1506
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,077
Francisco are

1507
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,837
drinking woke Kool-Aid. It's it's the it

1508
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,877
is the water they swim in. Like like

1509
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,957
like a fish doesn't think about the

1510
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,517
water. It's just in the water. And so if

1511
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,237
if you're in San Francisco, you don't

1512
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,677
realize you're actually uh you're you're

1513
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,077
swimming in the in the in the Kool-Aid

1514
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:45,837
Aquarium. San Francisco is the is the

1515
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,197
woke Kool-Aid Aquarium. Um and so your

1516
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,717
reference point for what is a centrist

1517
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:57,277
is uh is is totally out of whack. Um

1518
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,637
so um Reddit is headquartered in San

1519
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,597
Francisco. Um, Twitter was headquartered

1520
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:07,037
in San Francisco. Um, you know, I, you

1521
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,877
know, I I moved X's headquarters to Texas
to to Austin, which Austin, by the

1522
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:12,397
way, is still quite
liberalized, you know. Um,

1523
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:12,877
>> yeah.

1524
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:19,037
>> And, uh, and and then,
um, the X and XAI

1525
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,277
um, headquarters are in PaloAlto, which

1526
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:25,037
is still California. Um,

1527
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,597
the engineering headquarters in in Palo

1528
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,397
Alto just on Paige Mill. Um but but even

1529
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:33,517
Palo Alto is way more normal than that

1530
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,437
than than San Francisco Berkeley. Uh San

1531
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:40,397
Francisco Berkeley is um extremely left

1532
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:41,917
like left of left. You can't like you

1533
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:48,157
need a telescope to see the center
from uh San Francisco, you know. Um

1534
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:52,157
and um >> it used to be such a great city.

1535
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,037
>> I mean San Francisco has tre San
Francisco has tremendous amount of

1536
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,757
inherent beauty. No question about that.

1537
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:00,477
Um and and the California has incredible

1538
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:04,957
weather. Um and and no bugs. Um it's

1539
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,077
just like amazing. Um beautiful, you

1540
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,837
know. Um but but you say like what's the

1541
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,957
cause of this? It's it's just that if um

1542
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:16,637
if companies are headquartered in a

1543
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,557
location where the belief system is very

1544
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:25,037
far from what most people believe, then

1545
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,157
from their perspective, anything

1546
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:31,437
centrist is actually right-wing because

1547
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:36,477
they're so far left. They're so they're
so far from the center in San Francisco

1548
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,157
that anything they're like they're

1549
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:41,837
they're just railed to maximum left. So

1550
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:46,237
that's why that's why, you know, I
think I think you're centrist. I I mean I

1551
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,917
think I think I'm centrist, but to from
the perspective of someone on the on the

1552
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:54,317
far left, we look right-wing. >> Yeah.

1553
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:58,477
>> Um and um

1554
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,357
you know, they think anyone who's
a Republican is basically like some

1555
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:04,797
fascist Nazi situation. But what's
so crazy is like it's very easy to

1556
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:09,437
demonstrate just from like Hillary's
speeches from 2008 and Obama's speeches

1557
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,477
like when they were talking
about immigration like they were

1558
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:17,277
>> as faright as Steve Bannon
when it comes to immigration.

1559
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:21,837
>> Yes. Um >> Hillary was like
very MAGA. Have you I'm

1560
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,197
sure you've seen that campaign speech
which was talking about if anybody's

1561
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,117
committed a crime get rid of them. And

1562
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,317
if you're here you pay a a hefty fine

1563
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:34,397
and you have to wait in line.
It was really crazy. It's crazy to

1564
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:40,157
listen to because it's like it's as MAGA
as, you know, as Marjorie Taylor Green.

1565
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,877
>> Yeah. I mean, if you've seen these
videos people post online where they'll

1566
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:47,997
take like um a speech from Obama
or Hillary and and and they'll interview

1567
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,797
people on on like college campus or
something and say, "What do you think of

1568
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:54,237
the speech by Trump?" And they're like,
"Oh, I hate it. He's a racist bigot."

1569
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,787
I'm like, "Just kidding. That was Obama."

1570
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:58,890
[laughter]

1571
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:01,597
No, actually that was Obama or Hillary.

1572
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:07,160
Um to your point, like literally the the

1573
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,837
um >> the center's been moved so far.

1574
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,597
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. The left is so >>
the left has gone so far left that they

1575
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,677
they they they need, you know, they can't
even see the center with a telescope.

1576
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,317
>> And the danger with without you

1577
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:25,197
purchasing Twitter was that was going
to swipe over the whole country and change

1578
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:26,557
where the levels were.

1579
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,757
>> Yeah. And so what would be rational and

1580
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,277
and normal would be far left of what was

1581
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,117
rational and normal just a decade

1582
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,877
earlier. Yeah. So exactly. So

1583
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,797
historically, um, you'd
have San Francisco, Berkeley

1584
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,837
being, you know, very far-left, but the

1585
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:50,237
the sort of the the the fallout from the

1586
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:53,517
somewhat nihilistic uh philosophy of San

1587
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,677
Francisco, Berkeley would be limited
in geography to maybe like, you know, 10

1588
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:03,037
mile radius, 20 mile radius, something
like that. Um but when um but but San

1589
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,477
Francisco and Berkeley have to be
colloccated with Silicon Valley with

1590
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,037
with with uh engineers who created

1591
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,437
information super weapons and those

1592
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,677
information super weapons uh were then

1593
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:18,957
hijacked by the far-lft activists to pump
far-lft propaganda to everywhere on

1594
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:23,597
earth. Like I just you
know that like old RCA

1595
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:27,597
radio tower thing where it's like radio
tower on earth and it's just broadcasting.

1596
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:29,997
>> Yeah. That's that's what happened is

1597
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:34,717
that the as an extremist far-left ideology

1598
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:36,637
happened to be colllocated with the

1599
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,357
smartest where where the smartest

1600
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:43,997
engineers in the world um were who
created information super weapons that

1601
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:47,917
were not intended for this purpose
but were hijacked by the uh extreme

1602
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,837
activists who lived in the neighborhood.

1603
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,477
That's what happened that they they

1604
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:57,597
hijacked the the modern equivalent
of the RCA radio tower and broadcast that

1605
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:01,197
philosophy everywhere on Earth.

1606
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:05,037
>> Yeah. And you see the consequences.
Um particularly in places that don't have

1607
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,077
free speech. Yes. Right.
Like England, you know, we've

1608
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,557
>> Yeah. Where they lock people
up for memes and stuff. Literally.

1609
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,357
>> Literally. 12,000 people this year.

1610
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:18,927
>> 12,000 >> 12,000 12,000
arrests for social media posts.

1611
01:28:19,010 --> 01:28:21,997
[sighs] I mean, yeah.
Some of these some of

1612
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:26,237
these things you read about it and it's
like literally it's someone had a meme

1613
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:29,197
on their phone that they
didn't even send to anyone,

1614
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:34,957
>> right? >> And they got they and
and they're like in in prison for that.

1615
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,237
>> Yeah. >> Um and there
was a case in Germany where

1616
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:40,957
a woman got a longer sentence than the

1617
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:47,960
guy that raped her uh because
of something she said on a group chat.

1618
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,717
Wow. Was it an immigrant who raped her?

1619
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,837
>> Yes. >> Yeah. It was his culture.

1620
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,877
>> Yeah. >> He didn't know.
He didn't know better.

1621
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,117
>> Yes. I think I think she said something

1622
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,557
um you know, not not like was was

1623
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:06,397
critical of his culture and uh and and
and she got a longer sentence than the

1624
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:09,277
guy who raped her >> in Germany. Just

1625
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:14,157
>> the UK, Europe, Germany,
England thing seems so insane.

1626
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,357
>> It totally insane. I actually didn't
realize it was like such a huge number

1627
01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:20,397
of people that got 12,000. Yeah. Far

1628
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:22,797
above Russia, far above China, right?

1629
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,597
>> Far above anywhere on Earth.
UK is number one.

1630
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:29,997
>> Well, you know, things like like
I actually, you know, uh I talked to

1631
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:34,877
friends of mine in in in England and um
I was like, "Hey, um aren't you worried

1632
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:36,717
about this?" Like, uh you know,

1633
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:41,437
shouldn't you be protesting more? Um,

1634
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,517
and I mean the problem is that like the,

1635
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:48,477
you know, the the the legacy mainstream
media doesn't cover the stuff.

1636
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,597
>> They're they're like, "Oh, everything's
fine. Everything's fine." You know, um,

1637
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:53,997
>> most people aren't even aware of it
until they come knocking on your door.

1638
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:57,357
>> Yeah. Until like, so I mean the the

1639
01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:59,917
these these like lovely sort of small

1640
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,637
towns in in in, you know, in England,

1641
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:07,197
Scotland, Ireland, you know, they're
they're they've been like sort of living

1642
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,197
their lives quietly. They're they're

1643
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,517
like hobbits, frankly. So So it's in

1644
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:16,157
fact J.R. Tolken based the hobbits on

1645
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:20,397
people he knew uh in small town England

1646
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:21,997
because they were just like lovely

1647
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,557
people who like to you know smoke their

1648
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,677
pipe and and have uh nice meals and

1649
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,717
everything's pleasant. um the the

1650
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,197
hobbits in the Shire. The Shire he's

1651
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,597
he's talking about, you know, places

1652
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:37,997
like Harper, like the Shire around in in

1653
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,717
in the greater London area, Oxfordshire

1654
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,637
type of thing. Um and um

1655
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,037
they've but they're the reason they've

1656
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,517
been able to enjoy the Shire is because

1657
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,997
hard men have protected them from the

1658
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,477
dangers of the world.

1659
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,717
And um

1660
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,837
but but since they have no or very

1661
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:02,477
almost no no exposure to the the the

1662
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:04,557
dangers of the world, they don't realize

1663
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,837
that they're there until one day, you

1664
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,637
know, um a thousand people show up in

1665
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:12,797
your village of 500

1666
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:15,437
out of nowhere and rape and and start

1667
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:17,757
raping the kids.

1668
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:23,357
This has now happened god knows how
many times in in Britain. And the crazy

1669
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:25,997
>> literally raping. It's right like there
some 10-year-old got raped in Ireland

1670
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,877
like last week. >> Yeah.
There's literal rap.

1671
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,397
>> They snatched some kid. >> Yeah.

1672
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:35,357
>> Yeah. >> And if you criticize it, you
can get arrested. And that's where it gets

1673
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:39,357
insane. It's like how are they not >>
They literally criticize it. uh like the

1674
01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:40,077
I [sighs] think it was the prime

1675
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:41,997
minister of Ireland actually you know

1676
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:48,317
posted on X uh cuz cuz after that um

1677
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,797
some I think some illegal migrant

1678
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:52,957
snatched a 10-year-old girl uh who was

1679
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,437
like going to school or something and

1680
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,557
violently raped 10-year-old girl um uh

1681
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,117
and there was a you know the people were

1682
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,197
very upset about this uh and they

1683
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:06,317
protested um prime minister of Ireland

1684
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:10,397
instead of saying Yeah, we we really
shouldn't be importing violent rapists

1685
01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:14,797
into our country. He criticized
the protesters instead and didn't mention

1686
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:18,957
that. That the reason they were
protesting was because a 10-year-old

1687
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:20,637
girl from their small town got raped.

1688
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:23,357
>> So there here's the question. Why are

1689
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:25,197
they supporting this kind of mass

1690
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:29,597
immigration? And what is this is there a

1691
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:33,037
plan involved in all this? Is just is

1692
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:36,957
this incompetence? Is this ignoring the

1693
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:38,477
fact that they don't have a handle on

1694
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:44,760
it? So, they're trying to silence
disscent, like what is happening?

1695
01:32:44,940 --> 01:32:48,957
[sighs] Um >> cuz if you wanted to destroy

1696
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:52,317
civilization, if you wanted
to destroy Western civilization,

1697
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,437
>> which seems to want to do,

1698
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:56,957
>> um

1699
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:02,680
and you know, there's just so the

1700
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,157
uh there there's a guy I think who I
don't know if he's been on your show,

1701
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,317
you know, God. >> Yeah.
>> Has he been on the show?

1702
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:09,437
>> Good friend of mine.
Yeah. >> Yeah, he's great.

1703
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:10,557
>> He's been on multiple times.

1704
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:15,517
>> Oh, great. That's all he's awesome. Um
>> so uh you know the way he's got a good

1705
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,237
good uh way to describe it
which is suicidal empathy.

1706
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,317
>> Yes. >> So um is is
that you pray upon people's

1707
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,397
empathy. You say like well like you feel

1708
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:26,797
sorry for for for something for some

1709
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,717
group and then like well um and and that

1710
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,597
that that empathy is to such a degree

1711
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,717
that it is suicidal to to to your

1712
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:41,517
country or culture. Um and um and and

1713
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:46,637
that's that that suicidal empathy cuz
I don't think we we should have empathy

1714
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:48,317
but but but we should have we should

1715
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,237
that empathy should should extend to the

1716
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:53,757
victims not not not just the criminals.

1717
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:55,597
We should have empathy for the people

1718
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:59,117
that they pray upon. Um but that

1719
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:01,357
suicidal empathy is also responsible for

1720
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:03,677
for why somebody's you know arrested 47

1721
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,557
times for for violent offenses gets

1722
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,357
released and then goes and uh murders

1723
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:13,677
somebody um in the US that that's you
see you see that same phen phenomenon

1724
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,317
playing out everywhere uh where the the

1725
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:19,197
suicidal emphy is to such a degree that

1726
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:23,837
we're actually allowing um our women
to get raped and our children to get

1727
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:25,997
killed.

1728
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,797
But it just doesn't seem like that would

1729
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,757
be anything that any rational society

1730
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:33,837
would go along with. That's what makes

1731
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,877
me so confused. It's like you're

1732
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:42,157
importing massive numbers of people that
come from some really dark places of the

1733
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:43,757
world. >> Well, there's
no vetting is the issue.

1734
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:48,157
It's like it's like if like >> um

1735
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:51,757
if if there's no vetting like people are
just coming through like well what's to

1736
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:54,077
stop someone who just committed murder

1737
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:56,957
in some other country from um coming to

1738
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,357
to the United States or coming to to to

1739
01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:01,837
Britain um and just continuing their

1740
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,477
career of of rape and murder like unless

1741
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,117
you've done unless some due diligence to

1742
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,197
say like well who who is this person?

1743
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:12,077
What's their track record? If if you if

1744
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:13,837
you haven't confirmed that they have a

1745
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:17,917
track record of being uh you know uh

1746
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,957
honest and uh not being a homicidal

1747
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:25,437
maniac, then any homicidal maniac can
just come across the border. And that's

1748
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,237
not to say everyone who comes across the
border is a homicidal maniac. If you're

1749
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:29,597
not have if you don't have a vetting

1750
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,717
process to to confirm that you're not

1751
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:36,957
letting in um people who who will do

1752
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:41,357
some serious violence, you will get
people who do serious violence uh

1753
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:44,077
sometimes coming through. >> Well,
especially if you don't punish

1754
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:48,397
them and if you don't deport them and if
you are just like what but what is the

1755
01:35:48,480 --> 01:35:51,917
purpose of allowing all those people
into the country? It can't be I wouldn't

1756
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,717
imagine that anyone
in their society supports this.

1757
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,037
>> Well, let me explain.
So, so, so the the

1758
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,917
cuz you mentioned for example how much

1759
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,197
say Hillary and and Obama have changed

1760
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:06,717
their tune um from prior speeches where

1761
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:08,957
they were hot they were hard-nosed about

1762
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:11,997
not letting in uh anyone who is a a

1763
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:16,317
criminal into the country um you know
having sec secure borders all that

1764
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,077
stuff. So why did they change their

1765
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:20,237
tune? The reason is that they discovered

1766
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:23,597
that those people vote for them.

1767
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:28,477
That's why they want the open borders >>
because if you let people in, they know

1768
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:32,397
the Democrats let them in. They'll vote
for Democrats. Yes. If you allow them to

1769
01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:35,357
vote, >> which which
they are actively trying

1770
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:38,797
doing, they they turn
a blind eye to illegal voting.

1771
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:42,397
>> Well, California literally doesn't
allow you to show your license.

1772
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:46,157
>> California and New York have made
it illegal to show your photo ID when

1773
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:50,877
voting. Thus,
effectively they've made uh it

1774
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:53,117
impossible to prove for fraud.

1775
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:57,117
Impossible. They they've essentially
legalized fraudulent voting in

1776
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,677
California and New York and many
other parts of the country.

1777
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:03,197
>> There's no rational explanation
that I've ever seen anyone give as to why

1778
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:07,197
that would be the policy unless
you were trying to just allow

1779
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:10,957
people to vote illegally because there's
no other reason. If you need a driver's

1780
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:15,517
license or you need an ID for everything
else, including just recently to prove

1781
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,957
that you were vaccinated,
>> the the same people who are demanding

1782
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:20,957
that you have that you have a vaccine

1783
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,997
passport and and are are the same ones

1784
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:27,037
saying you need no ID to vote.

1785
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:31,597
Same people, >> right? But like >>
so it's obviously hypocritical and

1786
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,397
inconsistent. >> So you really
think it's just to to get

1787
01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:37,197
more voters?

1788
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:39,437
If if you want to understand behavior,

1789
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:41,837
you have to look at the incentives.

1790
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:47,437
Um so uh once uh you know the Democratic

1791
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:49,597
Party in the US and the left in in in in

1792
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,957
Europe realized that um if you have open

1793
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:56,157
borders um and you provide a ton of

1794
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:59,997
government handouts which creates
a massive financial incentive uh for

1795
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:04,237
people from other countries to to come
to to your country and you don't

1796
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:08,397
prosecute them for crime, they're going
to be beholden to you and they will vote

1797
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:10,477
for you.

1798
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:12,637
And that's why

1799
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:17,517
uh Obama and Hillary went from being um

1800
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,077
against open borders to being in favor

1801
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:24,557
of open borders. That's the reason in

1802
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,197
order to import voters so they can win

1803
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,397
elections. Um

1804
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:33,117
and the problem is that that has a a

1805
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:38,077
negative runaway effect. So if they
get away with that like it it is it is a

1806
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:42,557
winning strategy. If they are allowed
to get away with it, they will import as

1807
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:47,517
the enough voters to get supermajority
voting and then there is no turning back.

1808
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:48,957
>> We talked about
this before the election

1809
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:52,717
and then you know you literally pointed
towards a camera. You faced the camera

1810
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,837
and said that if you do not vote now,
you might not ever be able to do it

1811
01:38:55,920 --> 01:39:00,797
again because it it'll be it'll
be futile. It'll be overrun.

1812
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,757
>> Yes. They'll keep the borders open
for another four years and then their

1813
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:08,157
objective will be achieved.
>> Correct? If if if Trump had lost um

1814
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:09,597
there would never have been another real

1815
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,437
election again. Um because Trump is

1816
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:16,717
actually enforcing the border. Um now

1817
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,637
you you can can you can point to

1818
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:22,877
situations where uh there's been uh you

1819
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:27,677
know um you know immigration had you

1820
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:30,797
know enforcement has been overzealous
because they're not going to be perfect.

1821
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:31,917
There'll be cases where they've been

1822
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,757
overzealous um in in expelling illegals.

1823
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:39,437
Um so um but if you say that the the the

1824
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,397
standard must be perfection uh for

1825
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:44,317
expelling legals then you will not get

1826
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:47,197
any expulsion um because perfection is

1827
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,397
impossible. Um so

1828
01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:52,157
>> and you've probably got millions of

1829
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:55,277
people that are here that are trying to

1830
01:39:55,360 --> 01:40:00,157
be here under some
asylum pretense, >> right?

1831
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,077
>> Yes. >> Like you could
just come from a war torn

1832
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:06,717
part of the world. No, they changed
the definition of asylum to be an economic

1833
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:10,317
to be economic asylum >> which
is everybody >> which is everybody.

1834
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:13,677
>> Yeah. >> So bar to prove

1835
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:18,477
>> it's yeah asylum is supposed to mean
that if you go back to your country

1836
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,837
you'll get killed >> you know
that that's what we mean by

1837
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:25,117
that was what it's supposed to mean. Uh
they changed the definition of asylum to

1838
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:27,517
be uh you will have a decreased standard

1839
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:32,237
of living which is obviously
not real asylum. Um,

1840
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:35,517
and and it's and and you can you can
test the absurdity of this by the fact

1841
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:37,517
that people who are asylum seekers go on

1842
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:39,357
vacation to the country that they're

1843
01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:42,557
seeking asylum from. [laughter]

1844
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:44,557
>> You know, that doesn't make any sense.

1845
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:48,637
>> Yeah. It doesn't have to.

1846
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:52,237
>> But when you when you understand the
incentives, then then you understand the

1847
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:55,117
behavior. Um, so once the left realize

1848
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:59,997
that uh that illegals will will vote for

1849
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:02,637
them if they allow if they have open

1850
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:06,397
borders and and combine that with uh

1851
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:07,917
with government handouts.

1852
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:10,397
>> Yeah. to create a massive incentive.

1853
01:41:10,480 --> 01:41:14,557
They're basically uh using US and and

1854
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:17,197
Europe, US and European taxpayer dollars

1855
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:20,077
to provide a financial incentive to

1856
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,557
bring in as many illegals as possible to

1857
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:25,197
vote them into a into permanent power

1858
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:28,317
into and create a one party state.

1859
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:30,557
And and I I invite anyone who's is

1860
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:33,117
listening to this ju just do do any

1861
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:37,997
research and the more you the more you
dig into it, the more it will become

1862
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:41,757
obvious that what I'm saying is absolutely
true. Well, they were busting

1863
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,957
people to swing states. It's it's clear
that they were trying to do something.

1864
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,437
And then you had Chuck Schumer and Nancy

1865
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:52,237
Pelosi who are actively talking about
the need to bring in people to make them

1866
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,877
citizens because we're
in population collapse.

1867
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:58,317
>> Yes. >> Yeah. >> No, that's
it's it's that it's that meme. Yeah.

1868
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:01,997
>> Where [laughter] so many
times where they start off by

1869
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:05,677
saying it's it's not true.
It's a right-wing conspiracy theorist,

1870
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:06,157
>> right?

1871
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:09,837
>> Um then it starts then it's like uh I

1872
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:13,757
think the ne the next step is um well it

1873
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:17,277
it might be true and then it's like okay

1874
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:20,877
it is true but here's why. >> And then
the final step is it's true and

1875
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:23,917
here's why it's good. And it's like
but wait a second you started off saying

1876
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:26,717
it's untrue and it's a right-wing
conspiracy theorist. Now you're saying

1877
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:31,277
it Not only is it true, but it's
a good thing and we must do more of it.

1878
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:32,797
>> Well, this is the
thing about [laughter]

1879
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:37,197
Medicaid and Social Security and people
getting social security numbers.

1880
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:41,037
>> You know that we're massive fraud.
It's massive fraud and it's real and they

1881
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:45,117
denied it forever. And now we're finding
out this is part of the reason why

1882
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:47,997
there's this government shutdown
that's going on right now.

1883
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:49,837
>> Yes. the the entire basis for the

1884
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:53,677
government shutdown is that um is that

1885
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:56,157
the Trump administration correctly does

1886
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:59,517
not want to send massive amounts of like

1887
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,997
hundreds of billions of dollars uh to

1888
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,877
fund uh illegal immigrants in the blue

1889
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,997
states or in all the states really. Um,

1890
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,677
and so the and the Democrats want to

1891
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:14,317
keep the the the money spiggot going to

1892
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,317
incent uh illegal immigrants to come

1893
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:19,037
into the US who will vote for them.

1894
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:22,237
That's the crux of the battle.

1895
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:25,277
So they want to stop this. So what's

1896
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:29,357
going on right now is they have been
funding these people. They've been

1897
01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:33,997
giving them EBT cards.
They've been giving them Medicaid.

1898
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:35,597
And more than that, just like like they

1899
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:40,157
were the um like like they were taking

1900
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:43,597
hotels like four and fivestar hotels
like the Roosevelt Hotel being the

1901
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:46,557
classic example um was they were sending

1902
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:48,157
I think $60 million a year to the

1903
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:51,197
Roosevelt Hotel to uh which all it did

1904
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:54,157
was was house illegals. It used to be a

1905
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:55,837
nice hotel. I mean it still is a nice

1906
01:43:55,920 --> 01:44:02,077
hotel. Um uh but uh and and all
around the country this was

1907
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:03,917
happening >> and all tax dollars.

1908
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:05,917
>> Yes. >> Yeah. And

1909
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:08,797
>> um Yeah.
And uh the Trump administration

1910
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:11,677
cut off funding for example to to the uh

1911
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,957
uh to the you know Roosevelt Hotel and

1912
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:17,037
these other hotels saying like we it

1913
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:19,677
it's US tax dollars should not be paid

1914
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:23,037
be sent to have luxury hotels for

1915
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:24,557
illegal immigrants that American

1916
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:26,957
citizens can't even afford which

1917
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:30,077
obviously is the that's that's insane.

1918
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:33,997
That's what was happening. They were
also g giving out like debit cards with

1919
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:37,677
$10,000. So, it's not
just about medical care.

1920
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:42,157
Um, the the the Democrats mention
the medical care because they're they're

1921
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:46,397
trying to prey on people's empathy
as much as possible and then they imagine,

1922
01:44:46,480 --> 01:44:50,317
oh wow, somebody has a desperately
needed medical procedure and um

1923
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:54,397
shouldn't we maybe do, you know,
take care of them in that regard, but but

1924
01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:59,117
they what they do is they divert the
Medicaid funds uh uh and turn it into a

1925
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:01,197
slush fund for the for the states that

1926
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:06,637
goes well beyond uh
emergency medical care.

1927
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:11,437
and >> New York and California would be
bankrupt without uh without the massive

1928
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,877
fraudulent federal payments that go
to those states to pay for illegals to to

1929
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:18,957
to create a massive financial
incentive for for illegals.

1930
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:20,717
>> How would they be
bankrupt because of that?

1931
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,277
>> Uh they wouldn't be able to balance
their state budgets and they can't issue

1932
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:26,717
currency like the Federal Reserve can

1933
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:30,557
>> and so the their ability to balance
budget is dependent upon illegals

1934
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:33,117
getting funding.

1935
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:37,037
the the the scam level here is is

1936
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:40,157
so staggering. Um

1937
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:42,157
so there are there are hundreds of

1938
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:45,117
billions of dollars in of of transfer

1939
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:47,357
payments from from the federal

1940
01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:50,797
government to the states. Um those

1941
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:54,477
transfer payments uh the the states

1942
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:56,877
self-report what those transfer payment

1943
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,837
numbers should be. So, California and

1944
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:05,197
New York and Illinois lie like crazy uh
and say and and say that this these are

1945
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:08,237
all legitimate payments. Well,
these days they I think they they're even

1946
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:12,237
admitting that they they literally want
uh hundreds of billions of dollars for

1947
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:15,197
illegals. Um but uh but for a while

1948
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:18,717
there they're trying to deny it. Um so

1949
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:22,237
you get these transfer payments for for
every every government program you can

1950
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:25,597
possibly think of. Um and and and these

1951
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:27,357
are self-reported by the state and there

1952
01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:29,437
and and at least historically there was

1953
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:33,997
no enforcement of uh of California um

1954
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:37,437
New York, Illinois and and and other
states when when they would lie. There

1955
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:41,117
was no actual enforcement to say like,
"Hey, you you're lying. These these

1956
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:43,437
these payments are fraudulent." Now,

1957
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:48,157
under the Trump administration, um
that Trump administration does not want to

1958
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:49,917
send hundreds of billions of dollars of

1959
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:53,437
fraud fraudulent payments to the states.

1960
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:55,757
the um and the reason you have this the

1961
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:58,797
standoff is because if the hundreds

1962
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:03,837
hundreds of billions of dollars uh
to create a financial incentive to like to

1963
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:08,397
have this giant magnet to attract
illegals from every part of earth to uh

1964
01:47:08,480 --> 01:47:10,637
to these states if if that is turned off

1965
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:13,837
they the the illegals will leave because

1966
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:16,957
they're no longer being paid to come to

1967
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:20,077
the United States and stay here. Wow.

1968
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:24,397
And then then then they will lose a lot
of voters. The the the Democratic party

1969
01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:27,597
will lose a lot of voters >> and they
would have a very difficult job

1970
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:31,117
if this is kicked out
of reintroducing it into a new bill.

1971
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:34,237
>> Yes. >> Especially once things start

1972
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:38,877
normalizing. >> Yes.
So like in a nutshell um the

1973
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:40,717
Democratic party wants to destroy

1974
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:46,477
democracy by importing voters and the

1975
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:48,237
you know the Republican
party disagrees with that.

1976
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:50,077
>> And the ruse
is that if you don't accept

1977
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:53,677
what they're doing then
you're a threat to democracy.

1978
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:57,277
>> Yes. >> As they try
to destroy democracy.

1979
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:01,437
>> Yes. >> By importing voters >>
and incentivizing people to only vote

1980
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:05,357
for them >> and overwhelming the system.

1981
01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:09,597
Yes. And and by the way, it's a strategy
that if allowed to work would work and

1982
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:14,077
in fact has worked.
Um California supermajority Democrat.

1983
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:16,797
>> Yeah. >> Um and and there's so much

1984
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:18,397
gerrymandering that that that occurs.

1985
01:48:18,480 --> 01:48:21,277
It's it's it's crazy. Um so

1986
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:25,517
>> I'm sure you're paying attention
to this Proposition 50 thing.

1987
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:29,917
>> That's the thing in California where
they're trying to re redo districts.

1988
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:34,397
>> Yeah. >> Because I mean California
is already gerrymandered like crazy. Yeah.

1989
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:37,037
>> Um they want
to gerrymander it even more.

1990
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:39,197
>> Um and and I mean >> because
it keeps moving further and

1991
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:44,317
further right. Like if you look at the map
of California each voting cycle more

1992
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:48,477
and more people are waking up and going
what the [__] and we need to do

1993
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:52,477
something to fix this. The only option
available other than the policies that

1994
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:54,637
you guys have always done is go right.

1995
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:58,957
>> And so a lot of people have
been air air quotes red >> pill.

1996
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:00,797
>> Yeah. >> And and and
then here's another thing

1997
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:05,597
that is very important. um fact
that that is actually not disputed by by

1998
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:09,037
either side which is that when when we
do the census in the United States, the

1999
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:11,757
census, the way the census works uh for

2000
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:14,077
aortionment of congressional seats and

2001
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:16,877
um electoral electoral college votes for

2002
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,517
the president is by number of persons in

2003
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:22,317
a state, not number of citizens, right?

2004
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:26,557
>> It's number of pe people. So you
could literally be a tourist and you will

2005
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:29,757
count. >> Now how do they
do the census when they

2006
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:34,077
do that? Do they is it do they ask people?
Do they knock on doors? Do they

2007
01:49:34,160 --> 01:49:36,157
have them fill out forms? Like what?

2008
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:37,997
>> Yeah, I think they they mail out census

2009
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:41,917
forms and knock on doors. Um but the way

2010
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:45,037
the law reads right now um and and uh is

2011
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:47,997
that all if if you are a human with a

2012
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:49,517
pulse

2013
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:53,437
um uh then you count in the census for

2014
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:55,917
allocating congressional seats and

2015
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,477
presidential votes,

2016
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:04,237
>> right? So, uh,
you so >> electoral college,

2017
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,677
>> it doesn't matter whether you're here
legally, illegally, and if if you're a

2018
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:10,637
human with a pulse, um, you count for

2019
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:13,197
congressional aortionment. So that means

2020
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:17,677
that uh the more people the more
illegals that California and New York

2021
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:19,757
can can import when by the time the

2022
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:23,517
census happens in 2030 um the more

2023
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:28,477
congressional seats they will have
um and the more electoral the more

2024
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:29,997
presidential electoral college votes

2025
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:32,477
they will have um so they're trying to

2026
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:35,757
get as many uh illegals in as possible

2027
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:40,077
ahead of the census. Um and because all

2028
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:43,117
h all all human beings even tourists

2029
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:46,077
count for the census and and then if you

2030
01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:48,797
combine that with gerrymandering of of

2031
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:53,757
districts in New York and California
as you point out with this proposition

2032
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:56,797
where they're trying to increase the
amount of gerrymandering that occurs in

2033
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:57,917
California, the biggest state in the

2034
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:02,557
country. Um so so you get so so if the

2035
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:04,637
this if this the census then would award

2036
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:07,277
more congressional seats to California

2037
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:09,757
uh because of a vast number of illegals

2038
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:12,957
and New York and Illinois. Um so they

2039
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:17,117
get more congressional seats. They would
get more presidential electoral college

2040
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:18,877
votes getting that would get them the

2041
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:22,477
house the uh a majority in the house and

2042
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:26,237
and and they would get
to decide who is president

2043
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:30,077
uh based literally based on legals.
This is these are not disputed facts by

2044
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:35,277
either party.
I want to emphasize that that's sink in.

2045
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:38,237
>> Yeah, this is not a >> These
are not disputed facts by either

2046
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:40,797
party. It's not a

2047
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:42,877
this these are just this is just the the

2048
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:47,197
way the law works. It it's it is a

2049
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:50,957
you know like I don't think the law
should work that way. Uh I think it

2050
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:54,237
should the aortionment should be
proportionate to to to citizens.

2051
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:56,957
>> But isn't that a problem with
how the constitution is written?

2052
01:51:57,040 --> 01:52:01,517
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um,
>> they can't really change that.

2053
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:05,997
>> I I'm not sure if it's constitutional
or u but it it it is the way the law is

2054
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:09,517
written. I'm not sure if it's in the
constitution or not in this way, but um

2055
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:11,357
but it is that is the way
the law is written.

2056
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:15,357
>> So, it is an incentive and but it's
an incentive that would be removed with

2057
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:19,677
something simple that makes sense
to everybody that only the people that

2058
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:23,197
should count are people
that are official US citizens.

2059
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:26,637
>> Yes. So, the way the way it should work
is that only US citizens should count in

2060
01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:30,877
the census for purposes
of of determining voting power

2061
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:34,397
>> because people that aren't
legal can't vote supposedly.

2062
01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:35,917
>> They're not supposed to be voting. Um

2063
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:41,517
but but they do. Um uh but but even even
if even besides that, like said, I I I

2064
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:44,237
just can't emphasize this enough because
this is a very important concept for

2065
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:47,357
people to understand. um is that the law

2066
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:52,157
um the the law as it stands um counts

2067
01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:55,517
all humans with a pulse in in in in a

2068
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:58,717
state for deciding how many u house of

2069
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:00,557
representative votes and how many

2070
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:03,677
presidential electoral college votes uh

2071
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:06,077
a a state gets. So the incentive

2072
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:09,117
therefore is uh to uh for California,

2073
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:13,117
New York and Illinois to maximize
the number of illegals so they get so they

2074
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:17,757
get um so that they take house seats
away from red states assign them to

2075
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:19,437
California, New York, Illinois and so

2076
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,997
forth. Um then then you combine that

2077
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:26,477
with extreme gerrymandering in in you
know California, New York, Illinois and

2078
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:31,197
and whatnot. So that that basically you
you can't even elect any Republicans and

2079
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:33,197
then they get control of the presidency,

2080
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:34,957
control of the house, then they keep

2081
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:38,477
doing that strategy um and and cement a

2082
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:42,957
supermajority.
That is what they're trying to do.

2083
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:45,677
>> So that would essentially turn
the entire country into California.

2084
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:47,997
>> Yes. >> Where you have
differing opinions, but

2085
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:50,957
it doesn't matter because one
party is always in control.

2086
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:53,677
>> Yes. Um,

2087
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:55,357
>> when you first started digging into

2088
01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:58,157
this, when you first started before you

2089
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:02,877
even accepted this role of running Doge
and being a part of all that, did you

2090
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:05,277
have any idea that it was this [__] up?

2091
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:08,317
>> Um, I I did. Yeah. I I mean, I sort of

2092
01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:09,517
>> When did you start knowing?

2093
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:13,837
>> Um, I guess about like
Well, about two years ago.

2094
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:17,597
>> Isn't that crazy? >> Yeah.
like relatively recently, you know. So

2095
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:19,837
>> maybe I started I
started having an well

2096
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:23,917
I I started like basically having a bad
feeling about 3 years ago, which is why

2097
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:27,517
which was which is when >> uh
why I felt it was like critical to

2098
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:29,997
acquire Twitter um and have a maximally

2099
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:31,997
truth seeeking platform, not one that

2100
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:36,957
suppresses the truth. Um and um

2101
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:40,477
like it it was more it was more like I
like I'm not sure what's going on, but I

2102
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:44,237
have a I have a bad feeling about what's
going on. And then the more I dug into

2103
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:47,597
it, the more I was like, "Holy [__] we
got a real problem here and America's

2104
01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:51,917
going to fall." So, uh,
>> without anyone knowing it had fallen,

2105
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:53,837
that's that would be the problem. It

2106
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:56,557
could have fallen and been unrepable

2107
01:54:56,640 --> 01:55:01,357
without anyone really being aware
of what had happened, especially if you

2108
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:04,637
didn't buy Twitter. >> Yes,
that's that's it. Look, buying

2109
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:06,797
Twitter was a a huge pain in the ass.

2110
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:10,637
Um, and made me a a a a pin cushion of

2111
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:13,037
attacks. Like dab dab stab dab dab.

2112
01:55:13,120 --> 01:55:14,557
>> Everybody loved you before that.

2113
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:17,117
>> Well, some people love >>
a lot of people loved you. A lot of

2114
01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:21,037
lefties loved you. >> Uh,
I I was a hero of the left. As far as

2115
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:24,477
>> the thing, if you drove a Tesla,
it showed that you were environmentally

2116
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,597
conscious and you were on the right side.

2117
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:31,277
>> Uh, yeah. Um,

2118
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:33,357
yeah. I mean, I'm still the same human.

2119
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:37,277
I didn't like have a brain transplant
between, you know, since in like three

2120
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:39,837
years ago, you know. Um >> Well,
that's my favorite bumper sticker

2121
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:44,077
that people put on Teslas now.
I bought this before Elon went crazy.

2122
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:45,597
>> I took a picture of one the other day.

2123
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:49,117
Oh, you found somebody. Oh, yeah.
I've seen I've seen three or four of them.

2124
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:51,917
People that have these bumper stickers
on their car that says, "I bought this

2125
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:54,317
before Elon went crazy." Because when

2126
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:57,917
people were vandalizing Teslas

2127
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:01,117
>> Yeah. Um the most there was organized

2128
01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:06,317
campaign to literally burn down Teslas
and and we had one of our dealers got

2129
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:09,117
shot up with a gun like they
fired bullets into the in the Tesla

2130
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:12,077
dealership. They're burning down cars.

2131
01:56:12,160 --> 01:56:13,677
Uh

2132
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:16,557
it was crazy. Um

2133
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:21,197
uh so but the bumper sticker should read
there should be an an addendum to the

2134
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:24,557
bumper sticker.
It's like I bought this car before

2135
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:26,877
uh Elon turned crazy. Actually, now I

2136
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:29,597
realize he's not crazy and I've seen the

2137
01:56:29,680 --> 01:56:34,477
light. [laughter] >> That'll
take some time. That'll take

2138
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:37,517
some time. People don't want
to admit that they've been tricked.

2139
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:40,797
>> Yeah. I mean, there's that old saying
where it's like it's really easy to fool

2140
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:44,717
somebody, but it's almost impossible
to convince someone that they were fooled.

2141
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:48,957
>> Yeah. It's much easier to fool them
than to convince them they've been fooled.

2142
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:52,957
People cling to their ideas. >> Yes.
They especially if they've like

2143
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:55,197
publicly stated these things, they get

2144
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:57,837
very embarrassed of being foolish.

2145
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:00,637
>> Yeah. People most
time they double down.

2146
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:03,997
>> Um and uh >> and they
find echo chambers.

2147
01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:06,157
>> Yeah. Yeah.
But but there's you know the

2148
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:09,037
thing is that like I you know I've seen

2149
01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:11,997
more and more people who were convinced

2150
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:16,157
of the sort of work ideology um see the

2151
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:19,597
light. >> Yeah. So,
not everyone, but it's more

2152
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:24,237
and more um are seeing the light. Um
and and it tends to happen like when when

2153
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:27,437
something happens that really,
you know, directly affects you, >> right?

2154
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:29,757
>> Um you like there was a friend of mine

2155
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:33,037
who uh was living in in the San

2156
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:36,717
Francisco Bay area and um that tried to

2157
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:40,157
trans his his his daughter um did like

2158
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:42,877
to the point where the the school like

2159
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:45,117
sent sent the police to his house to

2160
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:48,557
take his daughter away from him.

2161
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:51,037
Now, now that's going to radicalize you.

2162
01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:54,317
Well, that's going to break that's going
to shake you out of your blue structure.

2163
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:59,437
Um, now I know, >> so it was an activist
at the school that was trying to do this.

2164
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:00,797
>> Yeah, the school and the and the state

2165
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:03,757
of California conspired to turn his

2166
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:06,637
daughter against him and uh make her

2167
01:58:06,720 --> 01:58:09,597
take uh lifealtering drugs that would

2168
01:58:09,680 --> 01:58:13,757
have sterilized her um and uh

2169
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:14,557
irreversible.

2170
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:17,517
>> And how old was she? I think 14,

2171
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:22,557
something like that. Um, so and but he
he managed to talk the police out of

2172
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:27,357
taking his daughter away from him that
day. Um, and that that night he got on a

2173
01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:29,357
plane to Texas.

2174
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:34,717
>> Wow. Um and uh like you know a year

2175
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:37,357
after just being in in a in a school in

2176
01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:41,677
like greater Austin area um she she went

2177
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:45,757
she came went back to normal
meaning like it it wasn't real

2178
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:49,917
>> right >> um well people
are being much more open

2179
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:51,997
to that now. I mean Wall Street Journal

2180
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:55,277
uh yesterday had that opinion piece that

2181
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:59,197
this whole trans thing there's a lot
of evidence is a social contagion.

2182
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:02,237
Absolutely. >> And Colin
Wright wrote that. And then

2183
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:05,117
he's getting death threats now, of course.
And on Blue Sky, there's people

2184
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:08,477
talking about exterminating him, which
is one thing that you are allowed to say

2185
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:12,237
on Blue Sky, apparently.
>> You're you're allowed to say horrible

2186
01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:14,957
things about people saying possibly

2187
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:17,917
truthful things about this whole social

2188
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:22,317
contagion. Cuz that's what when you get
nine kids that are in a friend group and

2189
01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:24,077
they all decide to turn trans together.

2190
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:27,997
Yeah. >> Something's wrong.
That's not statistically

2191
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:31,757
>> Yeah. Like here's the like you can
convince kids to do anything. You can

2192
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:33,997
convince kids to be
a suicide bomber, >> right?

2193
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:36,637
>> So >> which is why
they do with in in some

2194
01:59:36,720 --> 01:59:38,957
countries why they choose
children to do that.

2195
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:42,477
>> Yes. You can train kids to be suicide
bombers. And if you can train kids to be

2196
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:45,197
su suicide bombers, you can
convince them of anything.

2197
01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:48,957
>> Yeah. Especially with enough positive
enforcement and cultural enforcement and

2198
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:51,437
you >> and and the idea
that that that's not

2199
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:56,077
the case. >> Kids kids are
kids are um malleable. The

2200
01:59:56,160 --> 01:59:57,917
minds of youth are easily corrupted.

2201
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:01,197
>> You're also seeing a lot of push
back from gay and lesbian people that are

2202
02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:05,517
saying like, "Hey, if someone >> stop
including me in Yeah. Exactly. the

2203
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:09,357
LGBT, you know, it's like, wait a second,
why are we being included all

2204
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:13,437
the time in this situation?" >> Exactly.
Exactly. When especially when,

2205
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:16,237
you know, like my friend Tim Dylan's
talked about this is like it's really

2206
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:20,797
homophobic because you're taking these
gay kids and you're you're telling them

2207
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:23,357
like, "Hey, you're not gay.
You're actually a girl."

2208
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:27,437
>> Yes. and you know, hey, hey, go make
it so that you can never have an orgasm

2209
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:30,557
again and you'll be happy.
>> Like, >> yeah,

2210
02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:32,877
>> [__] permanent mutilation, permanent

2211
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:36,557
castration of of kids is like I I think

2212
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:39,837
>> I I we should look look at at uh anyone

2213
02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:45,357
who permanently castrates a kid as like
right up there with Ysef Mangler.

2214
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:48,637
>> Yeah. >> I mean, they're
they're mutilating children.

2215
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:51,757
>> Yeah. Yeah. And um it's thought of as

2216
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:56,877
being kind. And the thing is, would you
rather have a live daughter or a dead

2217
02:00:56,960 --> 02:00:59,117
son? >> That's that's
the that's the line they use.

2218
02:00:59,200 --> 02:01:01,757
>> Yeah. Which is not
supported by any data.

2219
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:05,037
>> No. In fact,
the the probability of suicide increases.

2220
02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:06,717
>> Right. >> This is important
maybe for the audience

2221
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:11,757
to know. Uh the probability of suicide
increases if you're transit kid, not

2222
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:13,597
decreases.

2223
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:16,077
>> By some accounts, it triples. So that

2224
02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:19,997
that is an evil lie. And it's a lie that

2225
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:24,717
is supposedly compassionate. Imagine
you've twisted reality to the point

2226
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:31,357
where confusing a child that's not even
legally allowed to get a [__] tattoo.

2227
02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:33,197
>> Yeah. >> Right.
Because you think that you could

2228
02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:36,637
make a mistake with a tattoo,
a totally removable thing, >> right?

2229
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:39,917
>> If I wanted to, tomorrow I can go
to a doctor and they could laser off every

2230
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:42,397
tattoo that I have on me. >> Right.

2231
02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:46,797
>> Okay. No harm, no foul. Yeah. But you
get sterilized like that's it forever.

2232
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:49,917
Forever. Yes, >> they'll castrate you.
You no longer have

2233
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:54,237
testicles. You have no penis. You have
a hole where your penis used to be.

2234
02:01:54,320 --> 02:01:56,957
>> Yes. >> And this is compassionate
and this is preventing you from

2235
02:01:57,040 --> 02:01:59,917
>> Actually, a lot of kids die uh in in

2236
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:02,717
with the these uh sex change operations.

2237
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:04,717
They die the number of deaths on the

2238
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:06,317
operating table. People don't hear about

2239
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:10,237
those. A lot of kids because that we

2240
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:14,557
it's we don't really actually have the
technology to make this work. So a bunch

2241
02:02:14,640 --> 02:02:18,477
of the times the kids just die
in the sex change operations.

2242
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:19,597
>> Jesus Christ.

2243
02:02:19,680 --> 02:02:21,277
>> Yeah. It's it's
demented which it should

2244
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:26,237
be viewed as like you know um like like

2245
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:30,637
evil Nazi doctor stuff basically.
That's why it was like real Nazi not the

2246
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:33,757
[__] fake Nazi stuff. >> Crazy
that even pushing back against

2247
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:37,437
something that seems like
fundamentally logically

2248
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:40,397
very easy to argue the old Twitter would

2249
02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:45,240
ban you forever. Uh, yes.

2250
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:48,317
>> That's how crazy a social contagion can

2251
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:52,877
get when it completely defies logic,
victimizes children, does something that

2252
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:54,717
makes no sense, does not supported by

2253
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:57,757
data, all connected to this ideology

2254
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:02,477
that trans is good. We got to save
trans kids, protect trans kids.

2255
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:04,077
>> Yeah. And what I want to emphasize is

2256
02:03:04,160 --> 02:03:06,317
that the the save trans kids thing is a

2257
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:10,397
lie. Um if if you if you if you castrate

2258
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:12,957
kids and trans them the probability of

2259
02:03:13,040 --> 02:03:15,597
suicide increases. It does not decrease.

2260
02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:19,677
It substantially increases. Um the the

2261
02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:21,917
the studies have done that I've seen the

2262
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:27,677
the risk of suicide
triples if you trans kids.

2263
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:30,957
So you're not saving them, you're
killing them. Moreover, during the sex

2264
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:33,837
change operation, there are many deaths

2265
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:35,757
that occur during the sex change

2266
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:38,397
operation.

2267
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:42,797
>> Jesus Christ.
It's just crazy that this is a real

2268
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:46,237
issue. >> Yeah, it it's
a nightmare fever dream

2269
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:47,917
and and people are finally waking up

2270
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:50,877
from it.

2271
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:53,517
Now, when you started getting into the

2272
02:03:53,600 --> 02:03:56,957
Doge stuff and started finding how much

2273
02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:59,677
money is being shuffled around and moved

2274
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:01,917
around to NOS's and how much money is

2275
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:04,637
involved and

2276
02:04:04,720 --> 02:04:08,877
just totally untraceable funds like

2277
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:11,037
this is again something like two years

2278
02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:15,037
plus ago you weren't aware of it all.

2279
02:04:15,120 --> 02:04:17,197
>> No, I was aware of it. Um I just didn't

2280
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:22,717
realize how how the how big it was.
just just just how much waste and forward

2281
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:25,917
there is in the government is truly vast.

2282
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:32,920
Um in fact the government didn't
even know um and nor did they care.

2283
02:04:33,200 --> 02:04:36,637
>> That's crazy. >> Yeah. >> And

2284
02:04:36,720 --> 02:04:39,277
>> I mean just like some of the very basic

2285
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:44,077
stuff that Doge did um will have lasting
effects. Um and some of these things

2286
02:04:44,160 --> 02:04:45,437
like they're so elementary you can't

2287
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:50,237
believe it. So, um the the doge team got

2288
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:54,237
the um you know the the mo most of the

2289
02:04:54,320 --> 02:04:59,037
main payments computers um to require

2290
02:04:59,120 --> 02:05:02,397
uh the the congressional appropriation
code. So, when a payment is made, you

2291
02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:06,077
have to actually enter the congressional
appropriation card. That used to be

2292
02:05:06,160 --> 02:05:10,637
optional and and often would be just
left blank. So, the money would just go

2293
02:05:10,720 --> 02:05:14,477
out, but it wasn't even tied to a
congressional appropriation. Then they

2294
02:05:14,560 --> 02:05:19,917
also Dutch team also made the uh comment
field for the payment mandatory. So you

2295
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:23,597
have to say something. We're not saying
that what what is said like you can say

2296
02:05:23,680 --> 02:05:27,197
anything. You you your cat could run
across the keyboard. Uh you could go

2297
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:31,437
querty ASDF but you have to say
something above nothing because what we

2298
02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:34,717
found was that there were tens
of billions maybe hundreds of billions of

2299
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:37,517
dollars that were zombie payments. So

2300
02:05:37,600 --> 02:05:39,517
there like somebody had approved a

2301
02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:41,997
payment uh uh somebody in the government

2302
02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:44,957
approved a payment um and uh some

2303
02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:48,397
recurring payment and um they retired or

2304
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:51,117
died or changed jobs and no one turned

2305
02:05:51,200 --> 02:05:56,477
the money off. So the money
would just keep going out

2306
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:59,037
and and it's a pretty rare >> go where

2307
02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:03,437
>> to to the a company or an individual um

2308
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:06,557
and it's a pretty rare company
or individual who will complain that

2309
02:06:06,640 --> 02:06:10,077
they're getting money that they should
not get and and a bunch of the money was

2310
02:06:10,160 --> 02:06:13,037
just going to the were
transfer payments to the states.

2311
02:06:13,120 --> 02:06:16,557
>> So these are automatic payments
there no accounting for them at all.

2312
02:06:16,640 --> 02:06:19,917
>> I imagine like like there's
an automatic debit of your credit card

2313
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:22,477
>> um and you don't you
never look at the statement,

2314
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:26,717
>> right? Um, so it's
just money going out.

2315
02:06:26,800 --> 02:06:31,517
Uh, that's why I call them zombie
payments. Um, that there might have been

2316
02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:35,117
they might have been legitimate at one
point, but the person who approved that

2317
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:37,677
recurring payment um, changed jobs,

2318
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:39,837
died, retired, or whatever, and no one

2319
02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:42,957
ever turned the money off.

2320
02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:47,117
And my guess is that's probably at least

2321
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:51,357
a hundred billion a year, maybe 200. and

2322
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:57,880
going where >> uh to to uh

2323
02:06:58,080 --> 02:07:02,477
uh I mean there there are millions
of these payments. So so it's I mean

2324
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:06,557
>> millions >> uh yes >> millions
of payments that are going to

2325
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:10,317
who knows where. >> Yes.
In a bunch of cases there are fraud

2326
02:07:10,400 --> 02:07:12,877
rings that operate uh professional fraud

2327
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:14,477
rings that operate to exploit the

2328
02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:17,997
system. um they figure out some security

2329
02:07:18,080 --> 02:07:21,117
hole in the system and they just do

2330
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:25,757
professional fraud. Um and um you know

2331
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:27,277
that's where we found for example people

2332
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:30,157
who were you know 300 years old in the

2333
02:07:30,240 --> 02:07:33,677
social security administration database.

2334
02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:36,157
Now, I thought that this was uh a

2335
02:07:36,240 --> 02:07:39,357
mistake of not registering their deaths

2336
02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:41,837
that people were born like a long time

2337
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:44,477
ago and it had defaulted to like a

2338
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:47,837
certain number and so that after time

2339
02:07:47,920 --> 02:07:49,357
those people were still in the system.

2340
02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:52,157
It was just an error of the the way the

2341
02:07:52,240 --> 02:07:53,997
accounting was done.

2342
02:07:54,080 --> 02:07:58,157
>> Yeah. So, um that's not true. So,

2343
02:07:58,240 --> 02:08:00,717
there's or or at least one of two things

2344
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:04,237
must be true. um the there's a there's a

2345
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:07,277
typo or or some mistake in the computer

2346
02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:12,237
or it's fraudulent, but we don't have
any 300-year-old vampires uh living in

2347
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:17,277
America. >> Allegedly. >> Allegedly.
Um and uh or or and we don't

2348
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:20,717
have people in some cases who's who are
receiving payments who are born in the

2349
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:23,997
future. [laughter] >> Born in the future.

2350
02:08:24,080 --> 02:08:25,517
>> Born in the future. >> Really?

2351
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:29,117
>> Yes. there the people
receiving payments

2352
02:08:29,200 --> 02:08:35,357
whose birth date uh um was like
in 2100 and something >> okay so there's

2353
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:38,557
>> like next century >> is there a task
>> we know we know that one of two things

2354
02:08:38,640 --> 02:08:41,357
must be true um that that that either

2355
02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:45,757
there's a mistake
in the computer or it's fraud

2356
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:49,757
but if you have someone's birth date
that's either in the future or where

2357
02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:52,477
they are older than the oldest living
American because the oldest living

2358
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:56,157
American is 114 years old so
if they're more than 114 years

2359
02:08:56,240 --> 02:08:58,797
um there is either a mistake and someone

2360
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:01,037
should should call them and say I I

2361
02:09:01,120 --> 02:09:03,277
think we have your birthday uh wrong

2362
02:09:03,360 --> 02:09:06,237
because it says you were born in 17 you

2363
02:09:06,320 --> 02:09:08,557
know 8086

2364
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:11,837
um and um you know that was before you

2365
02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:14,717
know um you know before there was really

2366
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:17,597
an America you know it was it was like

2367
02:09:17,680 --> 02:09:21,357
uh you know kind of early you know we're

2368
02:09:21,440 --> 02:09:24,877
still fighting England
type of thing uh [laughter]

2369
02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:28,957
you It's like uh this
person either needs to

2370
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:32,557
be in the Guinness Book of World
Records or or they're not alive,

2371
02:09:32,640 --> 02:09:36,557
>> but still at the end of the day,
money is going towards that account that's

2372
02:09:36,640 --> 02:09:39,997
connected to this person
that is either non-existent or

2373
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:43,277
>> so like like Yeah. So there was like uh

2374
02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:45,997
I think um something like I don't know

2375
02:09:46,080 --> 02:09:49,917
20 million uh people in the Social

2376
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:54,237
Security Administration database that
could not possibly be alive um if their

2377
02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:58,237
birth date is like based on their birth
date they could not possibly be alive.

2378
02:09:58,320 --> 02:10:00,157
>> And then to be clear 20 million people

2379
02:10:00,240 --> 02:10:02,477
that were receiving funds

2380
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:07,757
>> uh a bunch of most of them
were not receiving funds.

2381
02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:11,037
Some of them were receiving funds. Most
were not receiving funds. But so let me

2382
02:10:11,120 --> 02:10:15,917
tell you how the scam works. It's it's
a bank shot. So the Social Security

2383
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:19,437
Administration database is used
as the source of truth by all the other

2384
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:23,597
databases that the government uses.
So even if they stop the payments on the

2385
02:10:23,680 --> 02:10:27,677
Social Security Administration database
like unemployment insurance, Small

2386
02:10:27,760 --> 02:10:31,997
Business Administration, student
loans all check the Social Security

2387
02:10:32,080 --> 02:10:34,397
Administration database to say is this

2388
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:38,237
is this a legitimate alived person? And

2389
02:10:38,320 --> 02:10:41,997
uh and if the social security database
will say yes, this person is still alive

2390
02:10:42,080 --> 02:10:45,597
even though they're 200 years old.
Um but forgets to mention that they're 200

2391
02:10:45,680 --> 02:10:47,757
years old, it just says it just returns

2392
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:51,437
uh uh when when the computer is queries,

2393
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:54,237
it says yes, this person is alive. And

2394
02:10:54,320 --> 02:10:58,797
so then they're able to exploit the entire
rest of the government ecosystem.

2395
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:01,757
So fake then you get fake student loans,
then you get fake unemployment

2396
02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:05,517
insurance, then you get fake medical
payments. And this doesn't have to be

2397
02:11:05,600 --> 02:11:08,957
tied to an individual where where
there's an address where you can check

2398
02:11:09,040 --> 02:11:10,557
on this person.

2399
02:11:10,640 --> 02:11:13,677
>> No, if you did do if just did any check

2400
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:17,117
at all, you would stop this.

2401
02:11:17,200 --> 02:11:20,397
>> So, so, so that's
that that that's so so

2402
02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:24,397
>> And how much money do you think
is >> any check like anything at all that

2403
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:28,557
would stop would stop the forward
like any effort at all?

2404
02:11:28,640 --> 02:11:31,437
>> Um, yeah. >> So, there's
multiple layers. the social

2405
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:35,277
security number verifies that this is
a real person and then the other systems

2406
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:39,197
check every other government payment
and every other government payment system

2407
02:11:39,280 --> 02:11:41,037
for everything for like small small

2408
02:11:41,120 --> 02:11:44,317
business administration uh student loans

2409
02:11:44,400 --> 02:11:48,877
uh Medicaid Medicare uh every other
government payment of which there are

2410
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:52,637
many there there actually hundreds of
government payment systems uh can all be

2411
02:11:52,720 --> 02:11:55,837
exploited so long as social security

2412
02:11:55,920 --> 02:11:59,437
database says this person is alive

2413
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:03,757
that's the nature of the scam It's
a bank shot. So then the then the rebuttal

2414
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:06,797
from the Dems is like, oh well the vast
majority of the people who are marked as

2415
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:08,957
alive in the Social Security
Administration weren't receiving Social

2416
02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:12,397
Security Administration payments. That
is true. What they forgot to mention is

2417
02:12:12,480 --> 02:12:13,677
they're getting fraudulent payments from

2418
02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:17,117
every other government program.

2419
02:12:17,200 --> 02:12:22,157
And that's why the the DMs were so
opposed to turning off to to declaring

2420
02:12:22,240 --> 02:12:25,997
someone dead who was dead because it
would stop the entire other all the

2421
02:12:26,080 --> 02:12:30,077
other fraud from happening. And so,
but all this is it trackable like all this

2422
02:12:30,160 --> 02:12:33,437
other fraud. >> If they wanted to,
they could chase it all down.

2423
02:12:33,520 --> 02:12:38,637
>> Yeah. It's not even hard. >> And yet
they're opposing chasing it all down.

2424
02:12:38,720 --> 02:12:41,837
>> They're opposing chasing it all down
because it would it turns off the money

2425
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:45,437
magnet for the illegals.

2426
02:12:45,520 --> 02:12:47,917
Wow.

2427
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:51,517
Because it's very logical to to like

2428
02:12:51,600 --> 02:12:53,277
like I'm saying the most common sense

2429
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:56,717
things possible. If someone's got uh a

2430
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:59,517
birthday in social security that is an

2431
02:12:59,600 --> 02:13:02,877
impossible birthday, meaning they are

2432
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:04,797
older than the oldest living American or

2433
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:07,597
were born in the future, then you should

2434
02:13:07,680 --> 02:13:10,557
call them and say, "Excuse me, we seem

2435
02:13:10,640 --> 02:13:12,957
to have your birthday wrong."

2436
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:18,557
Uh because it says that you're 200
years old. That's all you need to do.

2437
02:13:18,640 --> 02:13:20,637
Um, and >> and then you
would remove them from the

2438
02:13:20,720 --> 02:13:23,837
social security database and make that
number no longer available for all those

2439
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:26,077
other government payments. >> Exactly.

2440
02:13:26,160 --> 02:13:30,957
>> Wow. And how much money are we talking?

2441
02:13:31,040 --> 02:13:34,077
>> It's hund hundreds
of billions of dollars.

2442
02:13:34,160 --> 02:13:37,837
>> And this is all traceable.
Like you could hunt all

2443
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:41,117
>> like you don't need to be Sherlock
Holmes here is what I'm saying.

2444
02:13:41,200 --> 02:13:43,757
>> Well, this we don't need to call
Sherlock Holmes for this one. Is this

2445
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:46,797
part of >> you just
need to call the person

2446
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:51,197
>> and and say, "Excuse me, we either we
we seem to have the [laughter] like we we

2447
02:13:51,280 --> 02:13:55,117
we must have your birthday wrong because
it says you're 200 years old or were

2448
02:13:55,200 --> 02:14:00,077
born uh in the future. Um so could
you tell us what your birthday is?

2449
02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:03,997
That's all you need to do. It's it's
that simple." But the all these other

2450
02:14:04,080 --> 02:14:07,357
government payments that are available
that are connected to this social

2451
02:14:07,440 --> 02:14:10,877
security number, it seems like if you

2452
02:14:10,960 --> 02:14:13,197
just chased that all down, Yeah.

2453
02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:18,157
>> you would find the widespread fraud.
You would find where it's going.

2454
02:14:18,240 --> 02:14:20,157
>> Yes. The but the root of the problem is

2455
02:14:20,240 --> 02:14:25,277
the social security administration
database because um the social security

2456
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:31,560
number in the United States is used
as a deacto national ID number.

2457
02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:37,277
You know that's why like the bank always
asks for your social like the you know

2458
02:14:37,360 --> 02:14:43,400
any financial institution will ask
for your social security number.

2459
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:48,957
>> This is it sounds so insane that
this isn't chased down. I mean >> I agree

2460
02:14:49,040 --> 02:14:50,957
>> that I mean I mean
that in and of itself

2461
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:57,720
is that's such mishandling. >> Yes.

2462
02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:02,477
No it's mind-blowing.
Um, so yeah, it's crazy.

2463
02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:06,157
>> Well, you were very reluctant last time
you were here to talk about the extent

2464
02:15:06,240 --> 02:15:11,757
of some of the fraud because you're like,
they could kill me because this is

2465
02:15:11,840 --> 02:15:12,157
kind of

2466
02:15:12,240 --> 02:15:14,077
>> Oh, what? Yeah. What I was saying is

2467
02:15:14,160 --> 02:15:19,837
that um the like if you create if like

2468
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:22,077
uh

2469
02:15:22,160 --> 02:15:25,437
I like like to be pragmatic and

2470
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:30,397
realistic um you actually can't manage
to zero fraud. you can manage to low

2471
02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:35,357
fraud number but not to zero fraud.
If you manage to zero fraud, um you you

2472
02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:38,317
you're going to push so many people over
the edge who are receiving fraudulent

2473
02:15:38,400 --> 02:15:40,717
payments that the number of inbound

2474
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:43,837
homicidal maniacs will be uh really hard

2475
02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:48,237
to overcome. So I I'm I'm actually
taking I think quite a reasonable

2476
02:15:48,320 --> 02:15:50,157
position which is that we should simply

2477
02:15:50,240 --> 02:15:52,477
reduce the amount of fraud which I think

2478
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:56,717
is not an extremist position. Um, and we

2479
02:15:56,800 --> 02:15:59,197
should aspire to, you know, have less

2480
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:02,237
fraud over time. Um, not that we should

2481
02:16:02,320 --> 02:16:05,277
be ultra draconian and eliminate every

2482
02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:10,237
last scrap of fraud. Um, which I
guess would be nice to have, but

2483
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:13,277
but like we don't even need to go that
extreme. I'm I'm saying we should just

2484
02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:17,997
stop the blatant large
scale super obvious fraud.

2485
02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:19,197
>> I think that's a reasonable position.

2486
02:16:19,280 --> 02:16:20,797
>> It's a very reasonable position. Yeah.

2487
02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:24,077
And so what was the most shocking push

2488
02:16:24,160 --> 02:16:26,797
back that you got when you started

2489
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:28,717
implementing Doge? When you started

2490
02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:31,277
investigating into where money was

2491
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:33,917
going?

2492
02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:37,597
Well, um I guess it this was I should

2493
02:16:37,680 --> 02:16:41,597
have anticipated this, but um

2494
02:16:41,680 --> 02:16:43,997
while most of the fraudulent government

2495
02:16:44,080 --> 02:16:48,877
payments to especially to the NOS's
go to the Democrats, most of it like I

2496
02:16:48,960 --> 02:16:50,397
don't know for argument sake let's say

2497
02:16:50,480 --> 02:16:56,477
80% maybe 90%. Um um 10 to 20% of it

2498
02:16:56,560 --> 02:16:58,957
does go to Republicans.

2499
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:01,357
And so when we'd turn off funding to a

2500
02:17:01,440 --> 02:17:05,037
fraudulent NGO, we'd get complaints from

2501
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:09,597
whatever the 10% of Republicans who
were receiving uh the money and and they

2502
02:17:09,680 --> 02:17:11,837
would, you know, they would very loudly

2503
02:17:11,920 --> 02:17:15,437
complain. Um

2504
02:17:15,520 --> 02:17:18,477
because the the honest answer is the

2505
02:17:18,560 --> 02:17:21,197
Republicans are are partly they're

2506
02:17:21,280 --> 02:17:23,037
receiving some of the fraud, too.

2507
02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:28,680
They're getting a big >> Jesus.

2508
02:17:28,880 --> 02:17:33,677
Yeah, it's I want to be clear. It's it's
not like the Republican party is some um

2509
02:17:33,760 --> 02:17:35,677
ultra pure paragon of virtue here.

2510
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:38,637
>> No. >> Okay. Um >> well,
you see that with the

2511
02:17:38,720 --> 02:17:42,157
congressional insider training.
It's across the board.

2512
02:17:42,240 --> 02:17:43,677
>> Yeah. >> It's left and right.

2513
02:17:43,760 --> 02:17:46,077
>> I mean, the whole uni party criticism

2514
02:17:46,160 --> 02:17:47,997
has some validity to it. you know,

2515
02:17:48,080 --> 02:17:52,637
there's so um and it's it's like if you

2516
02:17:52,720 --> 02:17:56,637
turn off fraudulent payments, it's not
like like I say, it's not like 100% of

2517
02:17:56,720 --> 02:17:58,557
those payments were going to Democrats.

2518
02:17:58,640 --> 02:18:02,157
A a small percentage were also going
to Republicans. Those Republicans

2519
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:04,717
complained very loudly.

2520
02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:08,477
Um and um

2521
02:18:08,560 --> 02:18:11,677
you know and and that's that's

2522
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:15,757
so there was a lot of push back
on the Republican side for when we started

2523
02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:20,317
cutting some of these these funds
and I tried telling them like well you

2524
02:18:20,400 --> 02:18:25,997
know 90% of the money is going to your
opponents but they still if they even if

2525
02:18:26,080 --> 02:18:27,917
they're getting 10% of >>
they want their peace.

2526
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:29,997
>> Yeah. They want their peace >>
and they've been getting that peace for

2527
02:18:30,080 --> 02:18:33,720
a long time. >> Yes.

2528
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:38,957
Did you see >> this is why like you know
politics is like >> it's dirty business.

2529
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:43,437
>> Yeah. I mean that's like saying if like
you know if if you if you like sausages

2530
02:18:43,520 --> 02:18:49,130
and respect the law do not watch either
of them being being made [laughter]

2531
02:18:51,040 --> 02:18:56,637
>> yeah. Wow. Well that's
not even true because I've

2532
02:18:56,720 --> 02:18:59,197
made sausage before. >> Yeah.
Yeah. It's actually like it's not

2533
02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:03,277
that big a deal. Yeah.
fat and spices and casing,

2534
02:19:03,360 --> 02:19:04,637
>> run it through the machine.
Not that big

2535
02:19:04,720 --> 02:19:05,917
a deal.

2536
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:10,317
>> Yeah. Um but uh yeah, I mean I I think

2537
02:19:10,400 --> 02:19:14,557
the stuff I'm saying here is not uh
like like if if you stand back and think

2538
02:19:14,640 --> 02:19:16,077
about it for a second like oh yeah that

2539
02:19:16,160 --> 02:19:17,677
that makes sense, you know.

2540
02:19:17,760 --> 02:19:22,397
>> Um the it's it's not like um it's not

2541
02:19:22,480 --> 02:19:25,837
like one political party is going to be um

2542
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:28,557
you know pure devil or pure angel.

2543
02:19:28,640 --> 02:19:31,837
There's, you know, I think there's
there's there there's there's much more

2544
02:19:31,920 --> 02:19:35,597
corruption on the Democrat side, but it's
not there's not there's still some

2545
02:19:35,680 --> 02:19:36,957
corruption on the Republican side.

2546
02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:40,477
>> How did it happen that the majority
of the corruption wound up being on the

2547
02:19:40,560 --> 02:19:42,077
Democrat side?

2548
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:44,397
>> Well, because the the the transfer

2549
02:19:44,480 --> 02:19:49,197
payments, especially to illegals, um,
uh, are very much on the Democrat side.

2550
02:19:49,280 --> 02:19:52,157
>> That so that's the root of it
all is the illegal situation.

2551
02:19:52,240 --> 02:19:54,077
>> Yes. I mean, there's

2552
02:19:54,160 --> 02:19:55,597
>> or a focal point.

2553
02:19:55,680 --> 02:19:59,597
>> Yes. It's it's also like it's it's um

2554
02:19:59,680 --> 02:20:03,117
it's it would also be
accurate to say that while

2555
02:20:03,200 --> 02:20:05,037
obviously not everyone who is a Democrat

2556
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:11,010
is a criminal, almost everyone who
is a criminal is a Democrat [laughter]

2557
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:16,157
because because the Democrats are
the soft crime party. So if you're a

2558
02:20:16,240 --> 02:20:18,317
criminal, who you going to vote for?

2559
02:20:18,400 --> 02:20:20,237
>> Right. Right.

2560
02:20:20,320 --> 02:20:23,037
>> The soft crime party. Did you think you

2561
02:20:23,120 --> 02:20:25,837
were going to be able to get more done

2562
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:30,317
than you were? >> Um,
we did get a lot done, >> right?

2563
02:20:30,400 --> 02:20:35,437
>> Um, and Doge is still still still
happening, by the way. Um, this the the

2564
02:20:35,520 --> 02:20:37,277
Doge is still underway. There are still

2565
02:20:37,360 --> 02:20:40,637
there are still um there's still waste

2566
02:20:40,720 --> 02:20:45,437
and fraud being being cut by by the Doge
team. So, it hasn't stopped. Um, the

2567
02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:49,677
>> it's less publicized. >> It's
less publicized. Um, and they don't

2568
02:20:49,760 --> 02:20:52,637
have like a clear
person to attack anymore.

2569
02:20:52,720 --> 02:20:55,837
>> Well, it seems like they basically they

2570
02:20:55,920 --> 02:21:00,157
they applied immense pressure to me
to just to stop it. So then I'm like the

2571
02:21:00,240 --> 02:21:04,317
best thing for me is to just, you know,
cut out of this. In any case, as a

2572
02:21:04,400 --> 02:21:07,597
special government employee, I could
only be there for like 120 days anyway,

2573
02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:11,997
something like that. So whatever the law
says. So I I could I I I was necessarily

2574
02:21:12,080 --> 02:21:13,917
could only be there for 4 months uh as a

2575
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:17,997
special government employee. So, um

2576
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:21,277
um but uh yeah, I mean I mean you turn

2577
02:21:21,360 --> 02:21:23,517
off the money spigot to to fraudsters,

2578
02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:27,357
they get very upset to say the least. Um

2579
02:21:27,440 --> 02:21:30,637
and um but my like my death threat level

2580
02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:33,197
went uh ballistic, you know, was like a

2581
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:37,197
like a rocket going to orbit. Um

2582
02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:42,557
yeah. Um, so but now that now now now
that I'm not in DC that that that I

2583
02:21:42,640 --> 02:21:46,317
guess they don't really have
a person to attack uh anymore.

2584
02:21:46,400 --> 02:21:50,957
>> Um, >> well the rhetoric about
you has calmed down significantly.

2585
02:21:51,040 --> 02:21:53,357
>> Yeah, >> it was disturbing.
It was disturbing to

2586
02:21:53,440 --> 02:21:55,197
watch. It was like this is crazy.

2587
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:58,717
>> And to watch these politicians engage
in it and all these people just like

2588
02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:02,877
framing you as this monster. I was like
this is so weird. Like this is what

2589
02:22:02,960 --> 02:22:04,797
happens when you uncover fraud.

2590
02:22:04,880 --> 02:22:07,597
>> Yes. >> The whole
machine turns on you. And if

2591
02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:09,437
it wasn't for a person like you who owns

2592
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:14,717
a platform and has an enormous amount
of money, like could have destroyed you.

2593
02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:16,237
>> Yeah. >> And that was the goal.

2594
02:22:16,320 --> 02:22:17,997
>> The goal was to destroy me. Absolutely.

2595
02:22:18,080 --> 02:22:22,317
>> Because you were getting
in the way >> of this amazing graft.

2596
02:22:22,400 --> 02:22:24,637
>> The the this gigantic fraud machine.

2597
02:22:24,720 --> 02:22:25,277
>> Yeah.

2598
02:22:25,360 --> 02:22:28,797
>> Um like I think I think Doge team's on

2599
02:22:28,880 --> 02:22:32,077
done a lot of good work. Um, you know,

2600
02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:35,597
and in in terms of uh fraud and waste

2601
02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:37,997
prevented, my guess is it's, you know,

2602
02:22:38,080 --> 02:22:42,637
probably on the order of two or 300
billion a year. So, it's pretty good.

2603
02:22:42,720 --> 02:22:45,757
>> What do you think could have been
done if you just had like full reign and

2604
02:22:45,840 --> 02:22:50,077
total cooperation? How much do
you think you could have saved?

2605
02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:52,957
>> I mean, what level of of
power are we assuming here?

2606
02:22:53,040 --> 02:22:55,757
>> Godlike. >> Oh, yeah.
I probably cut the federal

2607
02:22:55,840 --> 02:22:57,757
budget in half

2608
02:22:57,840 --> 02:23:01,277
and get more done.

2609
02:23:01,360 --> 02:23:05,117
That is so crazy. It is so crazy that

2610
02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:09,437
get more done and federal budget
widespread. It's that widespread.

2611
02:23:09,520 --> 02:23:10,957
>> Well, I mean a whole
bunch of government

2612
02:23:11,040 --> 02:23:12,397
departments simply shouldn't exist in my

2613
02:23:12,480 --> 02:23:16,477
opinion. um they they um you know um

2614
02:23:16,560 --> 02:23:19,837
>> like examples >> well
the department of ed department of

2615
02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:21,917
education which was created uh recently

2616
02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:26,877
like under Jimmy Carter um uh the our

2617
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:29,837
educational results have uh gone uh

2618
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:34,077
downhill ever since it was created.
So if you if you create a department and

2619
02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:37,757
the result of creating that department
is a massive decline in educational

2620
02:23:37,840 --> 02:23:40,957
results and it's department of education,
you're better off not having

2621
02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:46,237
it because we're literally we were did
better before there was one than after

2622
02:23:46,320 --> 02:23:47,597
>> when you let the states run it.

2623
02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:50,317
>> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Because
at least the states can compete

2624
02:23:50,400 --> 02:23:55,437
with one another. Um so but the problem
is like here like cutting department

2625
02:23:55,520 --> 02:23:57,037
education. our kids need education.

2626
02:23:57,120 --> 02:23:59,757
Yeah, they do. But but this is a new

2627
02:23:59,840 --> 02:24:02,637
department that didn't even exist um you

2628
02:24:02,720 --> 02:24:06,637
know until late the late 70s. Um and

2629
02:24:06,720 --> 02:24:10,637
ever since that department was created,
the results educational results have

2630
02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:12,957
declined.

2631
02:24:13,040 --> 02:24:15,917
And so why would you have an institution

2632
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:20,157
continue that has made education worse?

2633
02:24:20,240 --> 02:24:23,037
It doesn't make sense.
>> They killed it though, right? No, there

2634
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:25,357
still unfortunately >>
but they were trying to kill it.

2635
02:24:25,440 --> 02:24:27,517
>> It has been substantially reduced.

2636
02:24:27,600 --> 02:24:31,437
>> Okay. >> Um >> what other organizations

2637
02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:32,797
what other departments?

2638
02:24:32,880 --> 02:24:35,837
>> Well, I mean I'm
a small government guy.

2639
02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:39,757
So um you know when when the you know

2640
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:41,357
when the country was created we just we

2641
02:24:41,440 --> 02:24:43,597
we just had the department of state,

2642
02:24:43,680 --> 02:24:48,157
department of war um you know and and uh

2643
02:24:48,240 --> 02:24:49,677
sort of the sort of the department of

2644
02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:51,917
justice. We had an attorney general uh

2645
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:56,397
and Treasury Department. Um

2646
02:24:56,480 --> 02:25:00,477
I don't know why you need more than that.

2647
02:25:00,560 --> 02:25:03,517
>> So what other departments specifically
do you think are just completely

2648
02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:07,677
ineffective? >> Well,
I mean here it's like a question.

2649
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:10,637
It's a sort of philosophical question
of how much government do you think there

2650
02:25:10,720 --> 02:25:16,317
should be? >> Right. >> Um
in my opinion, there should be uh the

2651
02:25:16,400 --> 02:25:20,237
least amount of government. I've heard
the most bizarre argument against this

2652
02:25:20,320 --> 02:25:23,517
is that you're cutting jobs and you're
gonna leave people jobless. And I'm

2653
02:25:23,600 --> 02:25:26,077
like, but their jobs are useless.

2654
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:27,917
>> Yeah. Paying people to do nothing

2655
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:30,797
doesn't make sense. Um like there's a

2656
02:25:30,880 --> 02:25:34,477
like a a great um

2657
02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:36,477
a story about like Milton Friedman who

2658
02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:41,517
is awesome. Um uh what like generally
whatever Milton Friedman said is you

2659
02:25:41,600 --> 02:25:43,437
know people should should do that thing.

2660
02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:45,117
Uh I'm not sure if it's apocryphal or

2661
02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:48,477
not, but um like like someone complained

2662
02:25:48,560 --> 02:25:51,437
to him like he he he observed I think

2663
02:25:51,520 --> 02:25:54,957
people that were like um digging ditches

2664
02:25:55,040 --> 02:25:58,877
with uh you know with with um shovels

2665
02:25:58,960 --> 02:26:02,797
and um and he said well like allegedly

2666
02:26:02,880 --> 02:26:06,877
Freeman said, "Well, I think I think
you should use you know um excavating

2667
02:26:06,960 --> 02:26:10,477
equipment instead of shovels and you
could get it done with far fewer

2668
02:26:10,560 --> 02:26:13,597
people." And then and then someone said,
"But then we're going to lose a lot of

2669
02:26:13,680 --> 02:26:16,157
jobs." Well, in that then Freedom says,

2670
02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:21,090
"Well, in that case, why don't you
have them use teaspoons?" [laughter]

2671
02:26:23,360 --> 02:26:25,597
Just just dig ditches with teaspoons.

2672
02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:27,597
Think of all the jobs you'll create.

2673
02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:30,637
>> I mean, [laughter]

2674
02:26:30,720 --> 02:26:34,717
it's [__] Basically, you just want
people to work on on things that are

2675
02:26:34,800 --> 02:26:36,477
that are productive. You want people to

2676
02:26:36,560 --> 02:26:39,837
work on on building things um on

2677
02:26:39,920 --> 02:26:43,037
building you know uh providing products

2678
02:26:43,120 --> 02:26:45,517
and services that people find valuable

2679
02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:48,797
um like you know making food um being

2680
02:26:48,880 --> 02:26:51,517
you know being a farmer or a plumber or

2681
02:26:51,600 --> 02:26:53,597
electrician or just anyone who's a

2682
02:26:53,680 --> 02:26:57,437
builder or providing useful services. Um

2683
02:26:57,520 --> 02:26:59,837
and um that's what you want people to be

2684
02:26:59,920 --> 02:27:03,037
doing. um not fake government jobs uh

2685
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:04,717
that that that don't add any value or

2686
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:08,077
may subtract value. Um

2687
02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:11,437
um there's also like you know uh to

2688
02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:15,917
illustrate the absurdity of also how
is the e how is the economy measured like

2689
02:27:16,000 --> 02:27:20,637
the the way economists measure the
economy is is is nonsensical uh because

2690
02:27:20,720 --> 02:27:24,717
they'll measure any job no matter even
if that job is a dumb job that has no

2691
02:27:24,800 --> 02:27:29,197
point and is even counterproductive.
So like, so the like the joke is like

2692
02:27:29,280 --> 02:27:33,597
there's two economists going
on a hike in the woods and [laughter]

2693
02:27:33,680 --> 02:27:35,597
they come across

2694
02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:40,717
a pile of [__] and one economist says to
the other, "I'll pay you $100 to eat eat

2695
02:27:40,800 --> 02:27:44,477
that [laughter] shit."
The economist eats the [__] gets the

2696
02:27:44,560 --> 02:27:48,397
$100. They they keep walking. Then the
other econ then come across another pile

2697
02:27:48,480 --> 02:27:52,957
of [__] And and the the other economist
says, "Now I'll pay you $100 to eat the

2698
02:27:53,040 --> 02:27:56,157
pile of shit." >> [laughter]

2699
02:27:56,240 --> 02:27:58,957
>> say pays the so
pays the other economist

2700
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:01,357
$100 pile of [__] Then they then then

2701
02:28:01,440 --> 02:28:03,357
then the way said they said like wait a

2702
02:28:03,440 --> 02:28:06,477
second um we both just ate a pile of

2703
02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:11,677
[__] and we're no and and and
and we're we're no we we we we

2704
02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:15,837
don't have any more extra money like
like we both you just gave the $100 back

2705
02:28:15,920 --> 02:28:20,317
to me and we both ate a pile of [__]
This doesn't make any sense. And they

2706
02:28:20,400 --> 02:28:22,237
said, "No, no, but think of the economy

2707
02:28:22,320 --> 02:28:24,957
because that's $200 of that in the

2708
02:28:25,040 --> 02:28:27,757
economy that that basically [laughter]

2709
02:28:27,840 --> 02:28:30,397
measure eating eating [__] would count

2710
02:28:30,480 --> 02:28:36,020
as a as as a as a job. [laughter]

2711
02:28:37,600 --> 02:28:43,117
This is this is this is to illustrate
the absurdity of of of economics.

2712
02:28:43,200 --> 02:28:46,317
>> One of the things you said when
[laughter] things should not count as a

2713
02:28:46,400 --> 02:28:47,677
job." One of the things you said when

2714
02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:49,277
you stepped away is that you're kind of

2715
02:28:49,360 --> 02:28:54,557
done and that it's unfixable. That um

2716
02:28:54,640 --> 02:28:58,477
well or under its current form the way

2717
02:28:58,560 --> 02:29:02,360
people are approaching it

2718
02:29:02,800 --> 02:29:04,077
you can you can make it directionally

2719
02:29:04,160 --> 02:29:06,477
better but ultimately you can't uh fully

2720
02:29:06,560 --> 02:29:10,477
fix the system. Um,

2721
02:29:10,560 --> 02:29:15,597
so, uh, I I I like like like like it it

2722
02:29:15,680 --> 02:29:19,757
it is it is it would be
accurate to say that even

2723
02:29:19,840 --> 02:29:21,517
like like unless you could go like super

2724
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:23,837
draconian like you know Gangghaskhan

2725
02:29:23,920 --> 02:29:27,117
level on on on cutting waste waste and

2726
02:29:27,200 --> 02:29:28,957
fraud which you can't really do in a

2727
02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:33,277
democratic country um an aspirationally

2728
02:29:33,360 --> 02:29:36,957
democratic country then um there's no

2729
02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:39,117
way to solve the the the debt crisis.

2730
02:29:39,200 --> 02:29:42,637
So, we got we got national debt that's
just insane where the debt payments the

2731
02:29:42,720 --> 02:29:47,197
interest payments on the debt
exceed our entire military budget.

2732
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:49,597
I mean, that's one that was one of the
wakeup calls for me. I was like, "Wait a

2733
02:29:49,680 --> 02:29:51,917
second. The interest on a national debt

2734
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:55,037
is bigger than the entire the entire

2735
02:29:55,120 --> 02:29:57,117
military budget

2736
02:29:57,200 --> 02:30:03,437
um and growing. Um this is crazy. Um so

2737
02:30:03,520 --> 02:30:06,520
um

2738
02:30:07,840 --> 02:30:11,597
so so even if you implement all these
savings, you're only delaying the day of

2739
02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:14,157
reckoning for when America becomes goes

2740
02:30:14,240 --> 02:30:17,357
bankrupt. So unless you go full

2741
02:30:17,440 --> 02:30:19,357
Genghaskhan, um which you can't really

2742
02:30:19,440 --> 02:30:22,317
do. So

2743
02:30:22,400 --> 02:30:25,277
um

2744
02:30:25,360 --> 02:30:27,757
so I came to the conclusion that the

2745
02:30:27,840 --> 02:30:30,477
only way that the only way to get us out

2746
02:30:30,560 --> 02:30:35,037
of the debt crisis and to prevent
America from going bankrupt is AI and

2747
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:36,637
robotics.

2748
02:30:36,720 --> 02:30:40,557
So, like we need to grow the economy

2749
02:30:40,640 --> 02:30:42,637
um at

2750
02:30:42,720 --> 02:30:46,957
at a at a at a rate that allows us to u

2751
02:30:47,040 --> 02:30:51,037
to pay off our debt. Um

2752
02:30:51,120 --> 02:30:53,517
and um I I I guess people just generally

2753
02:30:53,600 --> 02:30:57,517
don't appreciate the degree to which um

2754
02:30:57,600 --> 02:31:01,677
you know this the the government
overspending is is a problem. Um but

2755
02:31:01,760 --> 02:31:06,077
even like the social security website,
this is under the Biden administration.

2756
02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:08,237
On the website, it would say like uh we

2757
02:31:08,320 --> 02:31:11,357
based on on current demographic trends

2758
02:31:11,440 --> 02:31:16,077
and um you and and and how much money
social security is bringing in versus

2759
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:19,117
how many social security recipients
there are because we have an aging

2760
02:31:19,200 --> 02:31:22,797
population. Relatively speaking,
the average age is is increasing. Social

2761
02:31:22,880 --> 02:31:24,797
Security will not be able to ma u

2762
02:31:24,880 --> 02:31:29,837
maintain its full payments
u I think in by 2032

2763
02:31:29,920 --> 02:31:32,557
there. Okay. So they will social
security will have to stop will start

2764
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:37,677
reducing the the amount of money that
that's been paid people um in in about

2765
02:31:37,760 --> 02:31:41,757
seven years. >> And so the only
way to fix that robotics

2766
02:31:41,840 --> 02:31:45,997
manufacturing raise GDP

2767
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:47,597
>> you've got to basically uh massively

2768
02:31:47,680 --> 02:31:51,517
increase the um uh economic output which

2769
02:31:51,600 --> 02:31:56,637
is and the only way to do that is AI
AI and robotics. So, so basically we're

2770
02:31:56,720 --> 02:31:58,237
going bankrupt without AI and robotics

2771
02:31:58,320 --> 02:32:02,207
with even with a bunch of savings um

2772
02:32:02,290 --> 02:32:07,197
[snorts] the savings the savings like
reducing uh waste and forward can give

2773
02:32:07,280 --> 02:32:10,797
us a longer runway but it cannot
ultimately pay off our national debt.

2774
02:32:10,880 --> 02:32:14,877
>> So what do you think the solution
is to the jobs that are going to be lost

2775
02:32:14,960 --> 02:32:17,117
because of AI and robotics? The jobs due

2776
02:32:17,200 --> 02:32:20,797
to automation the jobs due to no longer

2777
02:32:20,880 --> 02:32:25,037
do we need human beings to do these jobs
because AI is doing them. Do you think

2778
02:32:25,120 --> 02:32:28,077
it's going to be some sort of a
universal basic income thing? Do you

2779
02:32:28,160 --> 02:32:33,800
think there's going to be some other kind
of solution that has to be implemented

2780
02:32:34,880 --> 02:32:37,997
because a lot of people are
going to be out of work, right?

2781
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:41,677
Um I think there will be um actually a

2782
02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:46,077
high demand for jobs but not
necessarily the same jobs.

2783
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:47,837
So

2784
02:32:47,920 --> 02:32:50,237
I mean this is actually this process has

2785
02:32:50,320 --> 02:32:53,917
been happening um throughout um modern

2786
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:57,277
history. Um I mean there used to be like

2787
02:32:57,360 --> 02:33:02,237
like doing calculations um ma manually
with with like a pencil and paper. It

2788
02:33:02,320 --> 02:33:05,917
used to be a job. So they used to have
like buildings full of people called

2789
02:33:06,000 --> 02:33:08,557
computers where the the banks would like

2790
02:33:08,640 --> 02:33:12,797
all you do all day is is is um you do

2791
02:33:12,880 --> 02:33:15,837
calculations because they didn't have
computers. They didn't they didn't have

2792
02:33:15,920 --> 02:33:18,877
digital didn't have digital
computers that that people

2793
02:33:18,960 --> 02:33:22,157
>> Yeah. Well, it was just people would
just like add and subtract stuff on

2794
02:33:22,240 --> 02:33:26,397
piece of paper and and and that that
would be how banks would do you know

2795
02:33:26,480 --> 02:33:28,557
financial processing >> and you'd
have to literally go over

2796
02:33:28,640 --> 02:33:30,797
their equations to make
sure the books are balanced.

2797
02:33:30,880 --> 02:33:32,237
>> Yeah. And most times it's just simple

2798
02:33:32,320 --> 02:33:35,677
math like you know the like in a world

2799
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:40,077
before computers how did you calculate
how did you you do transactions? You had

2800
02:33:40,160 --> 02:33:42,557
to do them by hand.

2801
02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:44,637
Um so then when computers were

2802
02:33:44,720 --> 02:33:48,637
introduced the job of doing um you know

2803
02:33:48,720 --> 02:33:51,997
bank calculations no longer existed. Um

2804
02:33:52,080 --> 02:33:54,237
so people had to go do something else.

2805
02:33:54,320 --> 02:33:56,797
Um and that's what's going to happen

2806
02:33:56,880 --> 02:34:01,917
that what's that's what is happening at
an accelerated rate um due to AI and and

2807
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:04,957
then robotics. That's the issue though,
right? The accelerated rate because it's

2808
02:34:05,040 --> 02:34:06,717
going to be >> it's the accelerator.
It's it's it's

2809
02:34:06,800 --> 02:34:09,437
just happening. Like I said, like AI is

2810
02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:12,877
the supersonic tsunami.

2811
02:34:12,960 --> 02:34:15,597
>> So that's what I call it, supersonic

2812
02:34:15,680 --> 02:34:18,717
tsunami. Um so

2813
02:34:18,800 --> 02:34:21,037
>> it's like what other jobs will be

2814
02:34:21,120 --> 02:34:22,957
available that aren't available now

2815
02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:25,917
because of AI?

2816
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:29,837
>> Um well AI um will is is really still

2817
02:34:29,920 --> 02:34:32,237
digital. Ultimately, um AI can improve

2818
02:34:32,320 --> 02:34:37,037
the productivity of of humans who who
um build things with their hands or do

2819
02:34:37,120 --> 02:34:40,797
things with their hands like
plum, you know, literally

2820
02:34:40,880 --> 02:34:44,397
welding, electrical work,
plumbing, anything

2821
02:34:44,480 --> 02:34:45,597
that's that's [snorts] physically moving

2822
02:34:45,680 --> 02:34:51,597
atoms. Um like cooking food or um you

2823
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:54,637
know farming or or like like anything

2824
02:34:54,720 --> 02:34:57,117
that's that's physical uh those jobs

2825
02:34:57,200 --> 02:34:59,517
will exist for a much longer time. But

2826
02:34:59,600 --> 02:35:04,237
anything that is digital uh which
is like just someone at a computer doing

2827
02:35:04,320 --> 02:35:06,237
something, AI is going to take over

2828
02:35:06,320 --> 02:35:11,357
those jobs like lightning,
>> coding, anything along those lines.

2829
02:35:11,440 --> 02:35:13,677
Yeah, [snorts] >> it's going
to take over those jobs like

2830
02:35:13,760 --> 02:35:16,957
lightning. Um just like it just like

2831
02:35:17,040 --> 02:35:19,117
digital computers took over the job of

2832
02:35:19,200 --> 02:35:24,397
people doing manual
calculations but but much faster.

2833
02:35:24,480 --> 02:35:25,837
>> So what happens to all those people?

2834
02:35:25,920 --> 02:35:28,397
Like what kind of numbers are we
talking about? you're going to lose most

2835
02:35:28,480 --> 02:35:30,637
drivers, right? Commercial drivers.

2836
02:35:30,720 --> 02:35:35,277
You're going to have automated vehicles,
AI controlled systems, just like uh

2837
02:35:35,360 --> 02:35:39,357
there's certain ports in China,
I think in Singapore, where everything's

2838
02:35:39,440 --> 02:35:42,717
completely automated.
>> Yeah. Mostly. Yeah. Yeah.

2839
02:35:42,800 --> 02:35:47,117
>> Yeah. So, you're going to lose
a lot of those jobs. Long shoreman jobs,

2840
02:35:47,200 --> 02:35:50,877
trucking, commercial drivers. >> Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, we actually do have

2841
02:35:50,960 --> 02:35:54,557
a shortage of of truck drivers,
but there's there's actually um

2842
02:35:54,640 --> 02:35:57,837
>> Well, that's why California has hired
so many illegals to do it. Have you seen

2843
02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:01,517
those numbers? >> Yeah.
Um I mean, the problem is like

2844
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:05,117
when you when people don't know how
to drive a semi-truck, which is actually a

2845
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:08,237
hard thing to do, then they
they crash and kill people.

2846
02:36:08,320 --> 02:36:10,877
>> Yeah. >> Um a friend
of mine's wife was killed by

2847
02:36:10,960 --> 02:36:13,597
an an illegal driving a truck and she

2848
02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:17,357
was just out biking. Um and uh there was

2849
02:36:17,440 --> 02:36:19,037
an illegal he didn't know how to drive

2850
02:36:19,120 --> 02:36:21,197
the truck or so or something. I mean and

2851
02:36:21,280 --> 02:36:25,117
he he ran ran her over.

2852
02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:28,397
Um so I mean like thing is like for

2853
02:36:28,480 --> 02:36:31,677
something like you you can't you can't

2854
02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:35,597
let people drive uh you know

2855
02:36:35,680 --> 02:36:39,597
sort of an 80,000lb semi um if if they

2856
02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:43,037
don't know how to do it.
But in California, they're just letting

2857
02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:45,917
people do it >> because
they need people to do it.

2858
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:48,397
>> Well, they also
need they want the votes

2859
02:36:48,480 --> 02:36:51,757
and that kind of thing. But um but but

2860
02:36:51,840 --> 02:36:55,277
yeah, like cars are um cars are going to

2861
02:36:55,360 --> 02:36:59,837
be autonomous. Um, but there there's
just so many desk desk jobs where where

2862
02:36:59,920 --> 02:37:03,757
really people what people are doing
is they're processing email um or they're

2863
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:06,637
answering the phone. Um, and and just

2864
02:37:06,720 --> 02:37:10,797
anything that is that that isn't
moving atoms like anything that is not

2865
02:37:10,880 --> 02:37:13,597
physically like doing physical work that

2866
02:37:13,680 --> 02:37:15,437
will obviously be the first thing those

2867
02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:17,997
jobs will be and are being eliminated by

2868
02:37:18,080 --> 02:37:22,477
by AI at a very rapid pace. Um

2869
02:37:22,560 --> 02:37:24,157
um

2870
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:26,637
and ultimately

2871
02:37:26,720 --> 02:37:29,837
I working will be optional

2872
02:37:29,920 --> 02:37:33,597
uh because you'll have robots plus AI

2873
02:37:33,680 --> 02:37:36,797
um and we'll have in a benign scenario

2874
02:37:36,880 --> 02:37:38,797
universal high income not just universal

2875
02:37:38,880 --> 02:37:41,517
basic income universal high income

2876
02:37:41,600 --> 02:37:46,077
meaning anyone can have any
products or services that they want.

2877
02:37:46,160 --> 02:37:48,557
So you >> but but there
will be a lot of trauma

2878
02:37:48,640 --> 02:37:51,677
and disruption along the way.

2879
02:37:51,760 --> 02:37:55,517
>> So you anticipate a basic income from

2880
02:37:55,600 --> 02:37:58,157
that that the economy will boost to such

2881
02:37:58,240 --> 02:38:00,877
an extent that a high income would be

2882
02:38:00,960 --> 02:38:02,717
available to almost everybody. So we'd

2883
02:38:02,800 --> 02:38:05,357
essentially eliminate poverty

2884
02:38:05,440 --> 02:38:09,997
>> um in the benign scenario.
Yes. So like the way

2885
02:38:10,080 --> 02:38:11,197
>> there's multiple scenarios.

2886
02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:15,677
>> There are multiple scenarios. There's
a lot of ways this movie can end. Um, like

2887
02:38:15,760 --> 02:38:18,797
the reason I'm so concerned about
AI safety is that like one of the

2888
02:38:18,880 --> 02:38:20,237
possibilities is the Terminator

2889
02:38:20,320 --> 02:38:23,677
scenario. It's not it's not 0%.

2890
02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:25,837
Um, so

2891
02:38:25,920 --> 02:38:29,517
um, that's why it's like I'm like really

2892
02:38:29,600 --> 02:38:31,997
banging the drum on AI needs to be

2893
02:38:32,080 --> 02:38:35,117
maximally truth seeeking. like don't

2894
02:38:35,200 --> 02:38:39,517
make I don't force AI to believe a lie
like that the for example the founding

2895
02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:43,277
fathers were actually a group of diverse
women or that misgendering is worse than

2896
02:38:43,360 --> 02:38:45,437
nuclear war because you if if that's the

2897
02:38:45,520 --> 02:38:47,197
case and then you get the robots and the

2898
02:38:47,280 --> 02:38:51,037
AI becomes omnipotent it can enforce

2899
02:38:51,120 --> 02:38:54,440
that outcome

2900
02:38:55,200 --> 02:38:58,957
and then [clears throat] then like

2901
02:38:59,040 --> 02:39:02,397
unless you're a diverse woman you're
you're out of the picture so we're we're

2902
02:39:02,480 --> 02:39:05,757
toast So that's >> [snorts] >> um
or you might wake up as a diverse

2903
02:39:05,840 --> 02:39:11,517
woman [laughter] one day has
adjusted the picture and and we are

2904
02:39:11,600 --> 02:39:13,997
now >> everyone's a diverse woman. So that

2905
02:39:14,080 --> 02:39:16,717
would be that's the the worst possible

2906
02:39:16,800 --> 02:39:19,597
situation. So what would be the steps

2907
02:39:19,680 --> 02:39:22,157
that we would have to take in order to

2908
02:39:22,240 --> 02:39:25,677
implement the benign solution

2909
02:39:25,760 --> 02:39:27,997
where it's universal high income like

2910
02:39:28,080 --> 02:39:30,477
best case scenario this is the path

2911
02:39:30,560 --> 02:39:34,397
forward to universal high income for

2912
02:39:34,480 --> 02:39:37,037
essentially every single citizen that

2913
02:39:37,120 --> 02:39:40,877
the the economy gets boosted by AI and

2914
02:39:40,960 --> 02:39:43,357
robotics to such an extent that no one

2915
02:39:43,440 --> 02:39:48,397
ever has to work again and what about
meaning for those people which is which

2916
02:39:48,480 --> 02:39:53,597
gets really weird. >> Yeah.
>> I don't know how to answer the question

2917
02:39:53,680 --> 02:39:57,117
about meaning. Um >> that's
an individual problem, right? But

2918
02:39:57,200 --> 02:39:58,477
it's going to be an individual problem

2919
02:39:58,560 --> 02:40:05,240
for millions of people. >> Yeah.

2920
02:40:06,560 --> 02:40:09,997
Well, I I mean I I I guess I've like for

2921
02:40:10,080 --> 02:40:14,397
fought against saying like, you know,
I you know, I've been I've been a voice

2922
02:40:14,480 --> 02:40:17,357
saying like, "Hey, we need to slow
down AI. we need to slow down all these

2923
02:40:17,440 --> 02:40:21,357
things. Um, and and we need to, you

2924
02:40:21,440 --> 02:40:23,357
know, not not have a crazy AI race. I've

2925
02:40:23,440 --> 02:40:24,877
been saying that for a long time, for 20

2926
02:40:24,960 --> 02:40:28,477
20 plus years. Um, but but then I, you

2927
02:40:28,560 --> 02:40:30,717
know, I came to realize that, um, really

2928
02:40:30,800 --> 02:40:33,117
there's two choices here. Either be a

2929
02:40:33,200 --> 02:40:35,917
spectator or a or a participant. And if

2930
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:40,157
I'm a, if I'm a spectator, I can't
really influence the direction of AI.

2931
02:40:40,240 --> 02:40:43,837
But if I'm a participant, I can try to
influence the direction of AI and have a

2932
02:40:43,920 --> 02:40:49,277
maximally truth seeeking AI with with
good values that uh loves humanity. And

2933
02:40:49,360 --> 02:40:54,237
that's what we're trying to create
with Grock at XAI. And um you know, the

2934
02:40:54,320 --> 02:40:55,677
research is I think bearing this out.

2935
02:40:55,760 --> 02:40:59,757
Like I said, the when they when they
compared like how do AIs value the

2936
02:40:59,840 --> 02:41:04,637
weight of a human life? Um Grock
was the only one the only one of

2937
02:41:04,720 --> 02:41:07,997
the AIS that weighted human life equally.

2938
02:41:08,080 --> 02:41:10,157
um and and didn't and didn't say like a

2939
02:41:10,240 --> 02:41:13,597
white guy's uh worth 120th of a of a of

2940
02:41:13,680 --> 02:41:19,277
a a black woman's life. Literally,
that's what they they calculation they

2941
02:41:19,360 --> 02:41:21,837
came up with. >> So, I'm like,
this is I'm like, this is

2942
02:41:21,920 --> 02:41:23,757
very alarming. We should
we got to watch this stuff.

2943
02:41:23,840 --> 02:41:28,317
>> So, this is one of the things that has
to happen in order to reach this benign

2944
02:41:28,400 --> 02:41:30,717
solution.

2945
02:41:30,800 --> 02:41:33,517
>> Yeah. We we we I I just keep

2946
02:41:33,600 --> 02:41:36,557
>> Best movie ending. Yeah. Um, you you

2947
02:41:36,640 --> 02:41:40,237
want a a curious truth seeeking AI. Um,

2948
02:41:40,320 --> 02:41:42,157
and I think a curious truth seeeking AI

2949
02:41:42,240 --> 02:41:45,197
will want to foster humanity. Uh,

2950
02:41:45,280 --> 02:41:49,277
because we're much more interesting than

2951
02:41:49,360 --> 02:41:51,757
um a bunch of rocks. Like you say, like

2952
02:41:51,840 --> 02:41:55,197
like I I love Mars, you know, but but

2953
02:41:55,280 --> 02:41:59,597
Mars is kind of boring. Like it's just
a bunch of red rocks. Um, it does some

2954
02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:00,877
cool stuff. It's got a tall mountain.

2955
02:42:00,960 --> 02:42:03,837
It's got, you know, it's got the biggest
re the biggest ravine and the tallest

2956
02:42:03,920 --> 02:42:06,637
mountain. Um, but there's no there's no

2957
02:42:06,720 --> 02:42:10,077
there's no animals or plants or and and

2958
02:42:10,160 --> 02:42:14,077
there's no people. Um, and uh, you know,

2959
02:42:14,160 --> 02:42:15,917
so humanity is just much more

2960
02:42:16,000 --> 02:42:17,997
interesting if you're a curious truth

2961
02:42:18,080 --> 02:42:21,277
seeeking AI than not humanity. It's just

2962
02:42:21,360 --> 02:42:25,757
much more interesting. Um, I mean like

2963
02:42:25,840 --> 02:42:31,037
as as humans, we could go for example
and and eliminate all chimps. If we said

2964
02:42:31,120 --> 02:42:34,397
if we put our minds to it, we could say
we could go out and we could annihilate

2965
02:42:34,480 --> 02:42:39,677
all chimps and all gorillas, but but we
don't. Um there has been encroachment on

2966
02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:41,357
their environment, but we we actually

2967
02:42:41,440 --> 02:42:45,037
try to preserve uh the the uh chimp and

2968
02:42:45,120 --> 02:42:48,077
gorilla habitats. Um

2969
02:42:48,160 --> 02:42:51,997
and um and I think in a good scenario,

2970
02:42:52,080 --> 02:42:53,517
uh AI would do the same with with

2971
02:42:53,600 --> 02:42:57,437
humans. it would actually foster uh

2972
02:42:57,520 --> 02:43:01,357
human civilization and care
about human happiness.

2973
02:43:01,440 --> 02:43:04,237
So this is um this is the thing to to

2974
02:43:04,320 --> 02:43:07,997
try to achieve I think. Um,

2975
02:43:08,080 --> 02:43:12,397
>> but what is the what does the landscape
look like if you have Grock competing

2976
02:43:12,480 --> 02:43:14,477
with Open AI, competing with all these

2977
02:43:14,560 --> 02:43:16,477
different like

2978
02:43:16,560 --> 02:43:21,277
how does it work? Like what what if you

2979
02:43:21,360 --> 02:43:23,837
have AIs that have been captured by

2980
02:43:23,920 --> 02:43:25,997
ideologies that are side by side

2981
02:43:26,080 --> 02:43:30,477
competing with Grock? like how do we so

2982
02:43:30,560 --> 02:43:31,997
this is one of the reasons why you felt

2983
02:43:32,080 --> 02:43:36,637
like it's important to not just be a an

2984
02:43:36,720 --> 02:43:39,437
observer but participate and then have

2985
02:43:39,520 --> 02:43:42,717
Grock be more successful and more potent

2986
02:43:42,800 --> 02:43:45,037
than these other applications. Yes, as

2987
02:43:45,120 --> 02:43:47,357
long as there's at least one AI that is

2988
02:43:47,440 --> 02:43:50,557
maximally truth seeeking, curious, and

2989
02:43:50,640 --> 02:43:53,197
um you know, and for example, weighs all

2990
02:43:53,280 --> 02:43:55,917
you know, human lives equally um does

2991
02:43:56,000 --> 02:43:59,757
not favor one race or gender, then um

2992
02:43:59,840 --> 02:44:04,397
then then that that that and and people
are able to look at look at, you know,

2993
02:44:04,480 --> 02:44:06,477
Grock at XAI and compare that and say,

2994
02:44:06,560 --> 02:44:08,397
"Wait a second, why are all these other

2995
02:44:08,480 --> 02:44:11,677
AIs uh being basically sexist and

2996
02:44:11,760 --> 02:44:13,917
racist?" Um

2997
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:17,437
um and uh then then that that causes

2998
02:44:17,520 --> 02:44:22,477
some embarrassment for the the other
AIS and then they they they they fix they

2999
02:44:22,560 --> 02:44:26,557
you know they they improve they tend to
improve just in the in the same way that

3000
02:44:26,640 --> 02:44:29,197
um acquiring Twitter and allowing the

3001
02:44:29,280 --> 02:44:31,437
truth to be told and and not suppressing

3002
02:44:31,520 --> 02:44:35,037
the truth um forced the other social

3003
02:44:35,120 --> 02:44:37,757
media companies to be more truthful um

3004
02:44:37,840 --> 02:44:42,077
by in in the same way having um Gro be a

3005
02:44:42,160 --> 02:44:45,597
maximally truth seeeking, curious AI is

3006
02:44:45,680 --> 02:44:49,517
will force the other AI companies to um

3007
02:44:49,600 --> 02:44:51,917
be also be more truth seeeking and fair.

3008
02:44:52,000 --> 02:44:56,157
>> And the funniest thing is even though
like the socialists and the Marxists are

3009
02:44:56,240 --> 02:44:58,557
in opposition to a lot of your ideas,

3010
02:44:58,640 --> 02:45:00,797
but if this gets implemented and you

3011
02:45:00,880 --> 02:45:03,677
really can achieve universal high

3012
02:45:03,760 --> 02:45:06,557
income, that's the greatest socialist

3013
02:45:06,640 --> 02:45:09,197
solution of all time. Like literally no

3014
02:45:09,280 --> 02:45:13,037
one will have to work. Uh correct. Um

3015
02:45:13,120 --> 02:45:16,877
like I said so so there is a benign
scenario here which I think probably

3016
02:45:16,960 --> 02:45:21,517
people will be happy with if if as long
as we we achieve it which is sustainable

3017
02:45:21,600 --> 02:45:26,557
abundance. um which is if
if um if everyone can

3018
02:45:26,640 --> 02:45:29,837
have every like like like if if you ask
people like what's the future that you

3019
02:45:29,920 --> 02:45:31,117
want

3020
02:45:31,200 --> 02:45:35,437
>> um and uh I think a future where we

3021
02:45:35,520 --> 02:45:38,477
haven't destroyed nature like you can
still we have the national parks we have

3022
02:45:38,560 --> 02:45:42,477
the the Amazon rainforest still still
there we haven't paved we haven't paved

3023
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:45,277
the paved the rainforest like the

3024
02:45:45,360 --> 02:45:47,357
natural beauty is still there but but

3025
02:45:47,440 --> 02:45:52,477
people have nonetheless everyone has
abundance everyone has excellent medical

3026
02:45:52,560 --> 02:45:55,277
care. Everyone has whatever
goods and services they want.

3027
02:45:55,360 --> 02:45:57,677
>> And we just >> It kind
of sounds like heaven.

3028
02:45:57,760 --> 02:45:59,917
>> It sounds like it is like the ideal

3029
02:46:00,000 --> 02:46:04,077
socialist utopia. And this idea that the

3030
02:46:04,160 --> 02:46:08,077
only thing you should be doing with
your time is working in order to pay your

3031
02:46:08,160 --> 02:46:13,037
bills and feed yourself sounds kind
of archaic considering the kind of

3032
02:46:13,120 --> 02:46:14,877
technology that's at play. >> Yeah.

3033
02:46:14,960 --> 02:46:18,557
>> Like a world where that's not your

3034
02:46:18,640 --> 02:46:21,117
concern at all anymore. Everybody has

3035
02:46:21,200 --> 02:46:23,597
money for food. Everybody has abundance.

3036
02:46:23,680 --> 02:46:25,597
Everybody has electronics in their home.

3037
02:46:25,680 --> 02:46:28,877
Everybody essentially has a high income.

3038
02:46:28,960 --> 02:46:30,797
Now you can kind of do whatever you

3039
02:46:30,880 --> 02:46:35,037
want. And your day can now be exploring

3040
02:46:35,120 --> 02:46:37,437
your interests doing things that you

3041
02:46:37,520 --> 02:46:40,077
actually enjoy doing. Your purpose just

3042
02:46:40,160 --> 02:46:43,117
has to shift. Instead of, you know, I'm

3043
02:46:43,200 --> 02:46:45,357
a hard worker and this is what I do and

3044
02:46:45,440 --> 02:46:47,357
that's how I that's how I define myself.

3045
02:46:47,440 --> 02:46:50,797
No. Now you can [__] golf all day,

3046
02:46:50,880 --> 02:46:56,557
you know? You can whatever it is that you
enjoy doing can now be your main pursuit.

3047
02:46:56,640 --> 02:47:00,237
>> Yeah. >> Well, that sounds crazy good.

3048
02:47:00,320 --> 02:47:03,437
>> Yeah, that's that's that's
the benign scenario that we should be.

3049
02:47:03,520 --> 02:47:05,437
>> The best ending
to the movie is actually

3050
02:47:05,520 --> 02:47:07,677
pretty good.

3051
02:47:07,760 --> 02:47:11,117
>> Yes. um like I think there's there is

3052
02:47:11,200 --> 02:47:13,277
still this question of meaning um of

3053
02:47:13,360 --> 02:47:16,397
like making sure people don't

3054
02:47:16,480 --> 02:47:20,957
uh lose meaning you know like um so
hopefully they can find meaning in ways

3055
02:47:21,040 --> 02:47:23,597
that are not that that's
not derived from their work

3056
02:47:23,680 --> 02:47:28,077
>> and purpose purpose for things that you
you know find things that you do that

3057
02:47:28,160 --> 02:47:31,997
you enjoy but there's a lot of people
that are independently wealthy that

3058
02:47:32,080 --> 02:47:35,757
spend most of their time doing
something they enjoy >> right

3059
02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:39,597
>> and that could be the majority
of people >> pretty much everyone.

3060
02:47:39,680 --> 02:47:42,717
>> But we'd have to rewire
how people approach life.

3061
02:47:42,800 --> 02:47:46,157
>> Mhm. >> Which seems
to be like acceptable

3062
02:47:46,240 --> 02:47:50,157
because you're not asking them to be
enslaved. You're exactly asking them the

3063
02:47:50,240 --> 02:47:52,717
opposite. Like no longer be burdened by

3064
02:47:52,800 --> 02:47:58,877
financial worries.
Now go do what you like.

3065
02:47:58,960 --> 02:48:02,237
>> Yes. >> Go [__] test pizza.

3066
02:48:02,320 --> 02:48:03,277
>> Do whatever you want.

3067
02:48:03,360 --> 02:48:08,237
>> Um pretty much. Um, so that's uh that's

3068
02:48:08,320 --> 02:48:11,357
that's the that's the that's
probably the best case outcome.

3069
02:48:11,440 --> 02:48:15,677
>> That sounds like the best case outcome
period for the future. If you're looking

3070
02:48:15,760 --> 02:48:17,517
at like how much people have struggled

3071
02:48:17,600 --> 02:48:19,597
just to feed themselves all throughout

3072
02:48:19,680 --> 02:48:23,757
history, food, shelter, safety, if all

3073
02:48:23,840 --> 02:48:26,797
of that stuff can be fixed, like how

3074
02:48:26,880 --> 02:48:30,477
much would you solve a lot of the crime

3075
02:48:30,560 --> 02:48:33,197
if there was a universal high income?

3076
02:48:33,280 --> 02:48:37,597
Just think of that. Like how much
of crime is financially motivated? You

3077
02:48:37,680 --> 02:48:41,597
know, the greater percentage of people
that are committing crimes live in poor,

3078
02:48:41,680 --> 02:48:43,597
disenfranchised neighborhoods.

3079
02:48:43,680 --> 02:48:48,317
>> So if there's no such thing anymore,
if you really can achieve universal high

3080
02:48:48,400 --> 02:48:49,437
income, >> yeah,

3081
02:48:49,520 --> 02:48:52,717
>> that this is it sounds like a utopian.

3082
02:48:52,800 --> 02:48:56,797
>> Yes. Um I think some people may
commit crime because they like committing

3083
02:48:56,880 --> 02:49:01,597
crime. It just some some amount of that
is they just >> wild people out there.

3084
02:49:01,680 --> 02:49:05,357
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um >> and obviously
they've become 40 years

3085
02:49:05,440 --> 02:49:09,917
old living a life like that. Now all
of a sudden universal high income is not

3086
02:49:10,000 --> 02:49:11,597
going to completely stop their instincts.

3087
02:49:11,680 --> 02:49:15,357
>> Yeah. Um I mean I guess if you want
to have like like say read a science

3088
02:49:15,440 --> 02:49:17,677
fiction book or some books that that are

3089
02:49:17,760 --> 02:49:21,117
probably an accurate or or the the least

3090
02:49:21,200 --> 02:49:25,357
inaccurate version of the future.
I'd say I' I'd recommend um the Ian Banks

3091
02:49:25,440 --> 02:49:29,677
books called the the culture books. It's
not actually a series. It's a It's like

3092
02:49:29,760 --> 02:49:32,317
ai sci-fi books about the future.

3093
02:49:32,400 --> 02:49:36,637
They're generally called the culture
books. Yen Banks culture books. It's

3094
02:49:36,720 --> 02:49:39,197
worth reading those.
>> When did he write these?

3095
02:49:39,280 --> 02:49:41,117
>> He started writing them in the 70s. Um

3096
02:49:41,200 --> 02:49:43,197
and I think he

3097
02:49:43,280 --> 02:49:48,157
um the last one I think he was I think
it was written just like around I don't

3098
02:49:48,240 --> 02:49:51,997
know maybe 2010 or something.
I'm not sure exactly.

3099
02:49:52,080 --> 02:49:56,397
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Scottish
author Ian Banks from 87 to 2012.

3100
02:49:56,480 --> 02:49:58,397
>> Yeah. Interesting.

3101
02:49:58,480 --> 02:50:01,117
>> But he but like he wrote the the like

3102
02:50:01,200 --> 02:50:07,720
his first book, Consider Flever.
Like he started writing that in the 70s.

3103
02:50:09,040 --> 02:50:10,717
>> These books are incredible, by the way.

3104
02:50:10,800 --> 02:50:16,717
>> Oh, >> incredible books.
>> 4.6 stars on Amazon.

3105
02:50:16,800 --> 02:50:22,237
>> Interesting. >> So, um,
>> so this gives me hope.

3106
02:50:22,320 --> 02:50:24,077
>> Uh, yeah. Yeah. >> This is
the first time I've ever thought

3107
02:50:24,160 --> 02:50:25,677
about it this way.

3108
02:50:25,760 --> 02:50:29,357
>> Yeah. Well, I mean,

3109
02:50:29,440 --> 02:50:33,437
if like I often ask people,
"What is the future

3110
02:50:33,520 --> 02:50:36,797
that you want?" And they have to think
about it for a second cuz, you know,

3111
02:50:36,880 --> 02:50:39,037
they're usually tied up in whatever the

3112
02:50:39,120 --> 02:50:41,677
daily struggles are. But, but you say,

3113
02:50:41,760 --> 02:50:45,117
"What is the future that you want?" Um,

3114
02:50:45,200 --> 02:50:49,197
and um, and generally sustainable
abundance, what do these folks say,

3115
02:50:49,280 --> 02:50:50,317
"What about a future where there's

3116
02:50:50,400 --> 02:50:51,677
sustainable abundance?" Like, "Oh, yeah,

3117
02:50:51,760 --> 02:50:58,040
that's a pretty good future." Um so um

3118
02:50:58,240 --> 02:51:02,877
you know if if and and and that
that future is attainable with AI and

3119
02:51:02,960 --> 02:51:04,397
robotics

3120
02:51:04,480 --> 02:51:07,917
um but but you know it's it's like I

3121
02:51:08,000 --> 02:51:10,077
said there's not every path is a good

3122
02:51:10,160 --> 02:51:13,677
path. uh there's this it's but I think

3123
02:51:13,760 --> 02:51:17,917
if we if we push it in the direction of

3124
02:51:18,000 --> 02:51:21,597
um maximally truth seeeking and curious

3125
02:51:21,680 --> 02:51:25,837
then I think AI will want to take to to

3126
02:51:25,920 --> 02:51:28,157
take care of humanity and foster uh

3127
02:51:28,240 --> 02:51:32,477
foster humanity um

3128
02:51:32,560 --> 02:51:35,197
because we're interesting

3129
02:51:35,280 --> 02:51:38,317
um and if it hasn't been programmed to

3130
02:51:38,400 --> 02:51:42,957
think that like all straight
white male should die, [laughter]

3131
02:51:43,040 --> 02:51:47,277
which Gemini was basically programmed to
do at least at first. Um, you know, they

3132
02:51:47,360 --> 02:51:49,277
seem to have fixed it.
I hope they fixed it.

3133
02:51:49,360 --> 02:51:51,597
>> But don't you think
culturally [laughter]

3134
02:51:51,680 --> 02:51:55,997
like, oh, we're getting away from that
mindset and that people realize how

3135
02:51:56,080 --> 02:51:58,077
preposterous that all is.

3136
02:51:58,160 --> 02:52:00,957
>> We are getting away from it. Um,

3137
02:52:01,040 --> 02:52:04,237
so, uh, we are getting at least it knows

3138
02:52:04,320 --> 02:52:08,397
the AI mostly knows to hide things.
But like like I said, there is that I I

3139
02:52:08,480 --> 02:52:12,877
think I still have that as or I had
that as my like pinned post on X which was

3140
02:52:12,960 --> 02:52:15,037
like uh hey wait a second guys we still

3141
02:52:15,120 --> 02:52:18,637
have every AI except Grock uh is saying

3142
02:52:18,720 --> 02:52:21,197
that uh basically straight white male

3143
02:52:21,280 --> 02:52:23,677
should die um and this is a problem and

3144
02:52:23,760 --> 02:52:26,957
we should fix it. um [snorts]

3145
02:52:27,040 --> 02:52:28,797
and you know but simply me saying that

3146
02:52:28,880 --> 02:52:33,677
is like tends to generally result in um

3147
02:52:33,760 --> 02:52:36,157
you know them like that is kind of bad.

3148
02:52:36,240 --> 02:52:37,837
Uh maybe we should just we should not

3149
02:52:37,920 --> 02:52:40,557
have all straight white males die. Um I

3150
02:52:40,640 --> 02:52:43,277
think they say also all all straight

3151
02:52:43,360 --> 02:52:45,117
Asian males should also die as well.

3152
02:52:45,200 --> 02:52:48,237
like that like uh

3153
02:52:48,320 --> 02:52:52,957
like generally [laughter] the generally
the AI and the and the media which which

3154
02:52:53,040 --> 02:52:55,037
back back in the day the

3155
02:52:55,120 --> 02:52:59,837
the media was um you know racist against

3156
02:52:59,920 --> 02:53:02,317
uh black people and sexist against women

3157
02:53:02,400 --> 02:53:04,877
back in the day. Now now it is racist

3158
02:53:04,960 --> 02:53:08,077
against uh white people and Asians and

3159
02:53:08,160 --> 02:53:13,117
sexist against men. >> Um so
they just like being racist and

3160
02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:14,557
sexist. I think they just want to change

3161
02:53:14,640 --> 02:53:18,797
the target. [laughter] Um so uh but but

3162
02:53:18,880 --> 02:53:24,717
really they just shouldn't be uh
racist and sexist at all. Um you know

3163
02:53:24,800 --> 02:53:25,757
>> ideally that would be nice.

3164
02:53:25,840 --> 02:53:29,277
>> That would be nice. Um, and it's kind
of crazy that we were kind of moving in

3165
02:53:29,360 --> 02:53:32,157
that general direction till around 2012

3166
02:53:32,240 --> 02:53:36,477
>> and then everything ramped up online
and and everybody was accused of being a

3167
02:53:36,560 --> 02:53:41,037
Nazi and everybody was transphobic
and racist and sexist and homophobic and

3168
02:53:41,120 --> 02:53:45,277
everything got exaggerated to the point
where it was this wild witch hunt where

3169
02:53:45,360 --> 02:53:48,237
everyone was a colomo looking for racism.

3170
02:53:48,320 --> 02:53:52,557
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Um, well
well but but but they they were openly

3171
02:53:52,640 --> 02:53:54,797
anti-white and often openly anti-Asian.

3172
02:53:54,880 --> 02:53:56,717
And then this new sentiment that you

3173
02:53:56,800 --> 02:53:58,717
cannot be racist against white people

3174
02:53:58,800 --> 02:54:03,437
cuz racism is power and influence.

3175
02:54:03,520 --> 02:54:05,437
>> Okay. No, it's not.

3176
02:54:05,520 --> 02:54:07,517
>> Yeah. Racism is is is racism in the

3177
02:54:07,600 --> 02:54:11,917
absolute. Um so um you know and there

3178
02:54:12,000 --> 02:54:14,157
just needs to be consistency. So if it's

3179
02:54:14,240 --> 02:54:18,877
okay to have uh let's say uh black or

3180
02:54:18,960 --> 02:54:21,597
Asian or Indian or pride, it should be

3181
02:54:21,680 --> 02:54:23,197
okay to have white pride, too.

3182
02:54:23,280 --> 02:54:26,717
>> Yeah. Um, so that's
just a that's just a

3183
02:54:26,800 --> 02:54:31,517
consistency question. Um, so, uh, you

3184
02:54:31,600 --> 02:54:35,677
know, um, if it if it's okay to be proud
of one religion, it should be okay to be

3185
02:54:35,760 --> 02:54:39,437
proud of, I I guess all religions
provided they're that they're they're

3186
02:54:39,520 --> 02:54:43,357
not like oppressive. >> Yeah.
Or or or don't like as long as

3187
02:54:43,440 --> 02:54:46,957
part of that religion is not like
exterminating uh people who are not in

3188
02:54:47,040 --> 02:54:51,917
that religion type, >> right? Um so uh

3189
02:54:52,000 --> 02:54:53,917
it's really just like a consistency

3190
02:54:54,000 --> 02:54:56,957
bias. Um

3191
02:54:57,040 --> 02:55:01,357
or or just like uh ensuring consistency

3192
02:55:01,440 --> 02:55:05,517
to eliminate uh bias. Um so if it is

3193
02:55:05,600 --> 02:55:09,517
possible to be uh racist against

3194
02:55:09,600 --> 02:55:13,517
uh one race, it is possible
to be racist against any race.

3195
02:55:13,600 --> 02:55:16,717
Um so >> of course logically. >> Yes.

3196
02:55:16,800 --> 02:55:19,597
>> Yeah. and arguing against that is
that's when you know you're catching

3197
02:55:19,680 --> 02:55:24,157
>> it's a it's a logical
inconsistency that makes AIS go insane

3198
02:55:24,240 --> 02:55:26,477
>> and people [clears throat]
>> and people go insane. Yes.

3199
02:55:26,560 --> 02:55:30,637
>> Um >> but like the the

3200
02:55:30,720 --> 02:55:33,117
like like you can't simultaneously say

3201
02:55:33,200 --> 02:55:37,117
um that uh there's the systemic uh

3202
02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:41,837
racist oppression but also
that races don't exist

3203
02:55:41,920 --> 02:55:45,277
that that race race is a social construct.

3204
02:55:45,360 --> 02:55:48,557
like which is it? You know, um you also

3205
02:55:48,640 --> 02:55:51,437
can't say that um you know, anyone who

3206
02:55:51,520 --> 02:55:53,277
steps foot in America is is

3207
02:55:53,360 --> 02:55:58,637
automatically an American except
for the people that originally came here.

3208
02:55:58,720 --> 02:56:03,117
[laughter] >> Exactly. Exactly.
Except for the colonizers.

3209
02:56:03,200 --> 02:56:06,077
>> Yeah. Except for the evil
colonizers who came here, >> right?

3210
02:56:06,160 --> 02:56:10,477
>> So which one is it? Like if you if as
soon as you step foot put in a place you

3211
02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:13,757
are that you are just
as American as everyone else

3212
02:56:13,840 --> 02:56:17,757
>> then um that would have appi if
you apply that consistently then the

3213
02:56:17,840 --> 02:56:22,797
original white settlers were also
just as American as everyone else.

3214
02:56:22,880 --> 02:56:26,797
>> Yeah. Logically. >> Logically.
Um, one more thing that I

3215
02:56:26,880 --> 02:56:28,077
have to talk to you about before you

3216
02:56:28,160 --> 02:56:31,037
leave is the rescuing of the people from

3217
02:56:31,120 --> 02:56:34,077
the space station, which, uh, we talked

3218
02:56:34,160 --> 02:56:37,037
about, you were planning it the last

3219
02:56:37,120 --> 02:56:38,477
time you were here.

3220
02:56:38,560 --> 02:56:43,517
>> Um, the f the lack
of coverage that that

3221
02:56:43,600 --> 02:56:47,437
got in mainstream media was one
of the most shocking things that

3222
02:56:47,520 --> 02:56:49,597
>> Yeah, they totally
memoryhold that thing.

3223
02:56:49,680 --> 02:56:53,517
>> Wild. Yes. Because if it wasn't,
>> it's like it didn't exist. Those people

3224
02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:55,997
would be dead. They'd be stuck up there.

3225
02:56:56,080 --> 02:56:59,837
>> Well, they'd they'd probably still be
alive, but they'd they'd be having bone

3226
02:56:59,920 --> 02:57:03,517
density issues uh because
of prolonged exposure to zero gravity.

3227
02:57:03,600 --> 02:57:05,677
>> Well, they were already up
there for like 8 months, right?

3228
02:57:05,760 --> 02:57:08,397
>> Yeah. >> Which is an
insanely long time. It takes

3229
02:57:08,480 --> 02:57:11,037
forever to recover just from that.

3230
02:57:11,120 --> 02:57:12,397
>> Yeah. They're only
supposed to be at the

3231
02:57:12,480 --> 02:57:15,517
space station for 3 to 6 months maximum.

3232
02:57:15,600 --> 02:57:17,357
So, >> one of the things
you told me that was

3233
02:57:17,440 --> 02:57:20,877
so crazy was that you could
have gotten them sooner, but

3234
02:57:20,960 --> 02:57:23,517
>> Yeah.
But for political reasons, uh they

3235
02:57:23,600 --> 02:57:26,877
didn't they did not want uh SpaceX or me

3236
02:57:26,960 --> 02:57:28,957
to be associated with um returning the

3237
02:57:29,040 --> 02:57:32,157
astronauts before the election.

3238
02:57:32,240 --> 02:57:36,317
>> That is so wild that that's a fact.

3239
02:57:36,400 --> 02:57:39,597
>> First of all, that >> we
absolutely could have done it. Um so,

3240
02:57:39,680 --> 02:57:43,037
>> but even though you did do it and you
did it after the election, it received

3241
02:57:43,120 --> 02:57:45,517
almost no media coverage anyway.

3242
02:57:45,600 --> 02:57:48,317
>> Yes. because nothing good can the the

3243
02:57:48,400 --> 02:57:50,877
the media which is essentially a far

3244
02:57:50,960 --> 02:57:52,557
left prop the legacy mainstream media is

3245
02:57:52,640 --> 02:57:55,517
a far-lft propaganda machine. Um and so

3246
02:57:55,600 --> 02:57:57,997
anything any story that is positive

3247
02:57:58,080 --> 02:58:00,397
about someone who is not part of the

3248
02:58:00,480 --> 02:58:05,197
sort of far-left tribe will
not uh get any coverage.

3249
02:58:05,280 --> 02:58:09,757
>> I I could save a busload of orphans
and and it it wouldn't get a single news

3250
02:58:09,840 --> 02:58:13,917
story. >> Yeah, it's it
really is nuts. It it was

3251
02:58:14,000 --> 02:58:18,317
nuts to watch because even though it
was discussed on podcasts and it was

3252
02:58:18,400 --> 02:58:20,317
discussed on X and it was discussed on

3253
02:58:20,400 --> 02:58:23,837
social media, it's still it was a blip

3254
02:58:23,920 --> 02:58:26,397
in the news cycle. It was very quick. It

3255
02:58:26,480 --> 02:58:31,517
was in and out and because it was a su
successful launch and you did rescue

3256
02:58:31,600 --> 02:58:34,957
those people, nobody got hurt and there
was nothing really to there was no blood

3257
02:58:35,040 --> 02:58:38,397
to talk about, >> right?
>> Just [__] in and out.

3258
02:58:38,480 --> 02:58:39,837
>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
Well, and and as

3259
02:58:39,920 --> 02:58:42,157
as you saw firsthand with the Starship

3260
02:58:42,240 --> 02:58:47,677
launch, like Starship is um you know by

3261
02:58:47,760 --> 02:58:49,837
you know at least by some some would

3262
02:58:49,920 --> 02:58:52,797
consider it to be like the most amazing

3263
02:58:52,880 --> 02:58:57,277
uh you know engineering project that's
happening on Earth right now outside of

3264
02:58:57,360 --> 02:58:59,117
like you know maybe AI or AI and

3265
02:58:59,200 --> 02:59:01,117
robotics but but certainly in terms of a

3266
02:59:01,200 --> 02:59:05,357
spectacle to see it is uh the most

3267
02:59:05,440 --> 02:59:08,877
spectacular thing that is
happening on earth right now

3268
02:59:08,960 --> 02:59:11,437
is the Starship launch program which

3269
02:59:11,520 --> 02:59:13,357
anyone can go and see if they just go to

3270
02:59:13,440 --> 02:59:15,917
South Texas and just they can just rent

3271
02:59:16,000 --> 02:59:20,557
a hotel room low cost in South Padre
Island or in Brownsville and you can see

3272
02:59:20,640 --> 02:59:23,997
the launch and you can drive right
right past the factory because it's on a

3273
02:59:24,080 --> 02:59:28,717
public highway. Um but it gets no coverage

3274
02:59:28,800 --> 02:59:32,717
or what coverage it does get
was like a rocket blew up coverage,

3275
02:59:32,800 --> 02:59:36,637
>> right? Yeah. Oh, he's a [__] The rocket
blew up. like the the the the Star Sasha

3276
02:59:36,720 --> 02:59:39,037
program is vastly

3277
02:59:39,120 --> 02:59:41,997
>> vastly more capable than the entire

3278
02:59:42,080 --> 02:59:44,717
Apollo moon moon program. Vastly more

3279
02:59:44,800 --> 02:59:48,077
capable. This is a spaceship that is

3280
02:59:48,160 --> 02:59:52,077
designed to make life multilanetary to

3281
02:59:52,160 --> 02:59:55,917
carry uh millions of people across the

3282
02:59:56,000 --> 02:59:59,517
heavens to another planet.

3283
02:59:59,600 --> 03:00:02,397
the the Apollo program could could only

3284
03:00:02,480 --> 03:00:04,397
send astronauts to the moon for a few

3285
03:00:04,480 --> 03:00:09,597
hours at a time.
Like they could send two the entire

3286
03:00:09,680 --> 03:00:12,877
Apollo program could only send
astronauts to visit the moon very

3287
03:00:12,960 --> 03:00:17,037
briefly and then for a few
hours and then depart.

3288
03:00:17,120 --> 03:00:19,437
The starship program could create an

3289
03:00:19,520 --> 03:00:23,197
entire uh lunar base with a million

3290
03:00:23,280 --> 03:00:27,357
people. You understand
the mag the magnitudes are

3291
03:00:27,440 --> 03:00:30,477
>> there's different very
different magnitudes here.

3292
03:00:30,560 --> 03:00:34,717
>> So what was the political >>
basically no no coverage of it.

3293
03:00:34,800 --> 03:00:36,797
>> Yeah. But what I wanted to ask you is

3294
03:00:36,880 --> 03:00:39,837
like what so what were the conversations

3295
03:00:39,920 --> 03:00:44,717
leading up to the rescue like when
you were like I can get them out way

3296
03:00:44,800 --> 03:00:49,437
quicker. >> Yeah. Um

3297
03:00:49,520 --> 03:00:54,077
um well I mean you know I raised this
a few times but it was the I was told

3298
03:00:54,160 --> 03:00:58,477
instructions came from the White House
that uh you know that that there should

3299
03:00:58,560 --> 03:01:03,000
be no attempt to rescue
before the election.

3300
03:01:03,280 --> 03:01:05,837
>> That should be illegal.

3301
03:01:05,920 --> 03:01:10,957
>> That that that really should be
a horrendous miscarriage of justice for

3302
03:01:11,040 --> 03:01:13,757
those poor people that were stuck on that.

3303
03:01:13,840 --> 03:01:17,597
>> Um yeah it it is it is crazy. Um,
>> have you ever talked to those folks

3304
03:01:17,680 --> 03:01:20,477
afterwards? Did you have
conversations with them?

3305
03:01:20,560 --> 03:01:23,517
>> Yeah. I mean, they they're they're not
going to say anything political to, you

3306
03:01:23,600 --> 03:01:26,237
know, they're not like they're
never going to >> say thank you.

3307
03:01:26,320 --> 03:01:27,997
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, that's nice.

3308
03:01:28,080 --> 03:01:30,717
>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So, um,

3309
03:01:30,800 --> 03:01:33,037
>> but the instructions came down from the

3310
03:01:33,120 --> 03:01:35,197
White House. He cannot rescue them

3311
03:01:35,280 --> 03:01:40,157
because politically this
is a a bad hand of cards.

3312
03:01:40,240 --> 03:01:43,277
>> I mean, they didn't say because
politically it's a bad hand of cards.

3313
03:01:43,360 --> 03:01:45,757
They they just said uh they were they

3314
03:01:45,840 --> 03:01:51,960
were not interested in uh any
rescue operation before the election.

3315
03:01:53,520 --> 03:01:56,077
>> Yeah. So >> what did that feel like?

3316
03:01:56,160 --> 03:01:59,597
>> I wasn't surprised. >> But it's crazy.

3317
03:01:59,680 --> 03:02:03,037
>> Yeah, >> because Biden
could have authorized it

3318
03:02:03,120 --> 03:02:06,397
and they could have said the the Biden
administration is helping bring those

3319
03:02:06,480 --> 03:02:10,077
people back, throw you a little funding,
give you some money to do it. the Biden

3320
03:02:10,160 --> 03:02:14,157
administration, they funded
these people being returned.

3321
03:02:14,240 --> 03:02:15,917
>> Uh yeah, the Biden administration was

3322
03:02:16,000 --> 03:02:17,917
not exactly my best friend,

3323
03:02:18,000 --> 03:02:21,677
>> especially especially after I um you

3324
03:02:21,760 --> 03:02:25,437
know, you know,
helped Trump get elected get

3325
03:02:25,520 --> 03:02:27,997
get elected, which I mean some people

3326
03:02:28,080 --> 03:02:30,717
>> still think, you know,
Trump is like the

3327
03:02:30,800 --> 03:02:34,237
the devil basically. Um, and I mean I

3328
03:02:34,320 --> 03:02:36,717
think I think Trump actually he's not

3329
03:02:36,800 --> 03:02:39,997
he's is not perfect, but but uh he's not

3330
03:02:40,080 --> 03:02:43,197
evil. Trump is not evil. I spent a lot

3331
03:02:43,280 --> 03:02:45,997
of time with with him and he's

3332
03:02:46,080 --> 03:02:51,357
>> I mean he's a product of his time.
Uh but he is not he's not evil.

3333
03:02:51,440 --> 03:02:54,317
>> Um >> no, I don't
think he's evil either. But

3334
03:02:54,400 --> 03:02:57,917
if you look at the media coverage,
>> the media the media treason like he's

3335
03:02:58,000 --> 03:03:02,877
super evil. It's pretty shocking if you
look at the amount of negative coverage.

3336
03:03:02,960 --> 03:03:04,637
Like one of the things that I looked at

3337
03:03:04,720 --> 03:03:06,717
the other day was mainstream media

3338
03:03:06,800 --> 03:03:10,797
coverage of you, Trump, a bunch of

3339
03:03:10,880 --> 03:03:12,637
different public figures and then

3340
03:03:12,720 --> 03:03:15,037
>> 96% negative or something crazy

3341
03:03:15,120 --> 03:03:18,157
>> and then Mum Donnie, which is like 95%

3342
03:03:18,240 --> 03:03:19,677
positive,

3343
03:03:19,760 --> 03:03:24,397
>> right? Um I mean Manny is is is is a

3344
03:03:24,480 --> 03:03:28,157
charismatic swindler. Um I I I mean you

3345
03:03:28,240 --> 03:03:30,397
got to hand it to him like he he does he

3346
03:03:30,480 --> 03:03:34,157
can light up a stage. Um but he has just

3347
03:03:34,240 --> 03:03:37,757
been a swindler his entire life. Um and

3348
03:03:37,840 --> 03:03:39,757
um

3349
03:03:39,840 --> 03:03:44,957
you know and and uh I think

3350
03:03:45,040 --> 03:03:48,157
he what he's I mean he's likely to win.

3351
03:03:48,240 --> 03:03:50,157
He's likely to be mayor
of New York New York City.

3352
03:03:50,240 --> 03:03:53,517
>> Very likely. >> Yeah.
Very likely. I think Poly Market

3353
03:03:53,600 --> 03:03:56,477
has it at what what is the >> 94%?

3354
03:03:56,560 --> 03:03:57,997
>> Yeah, that sounds pretty likely.

3355
03:03:58,080 --> 03:04:00,237
>> That's crazy. >> Like I'm
not sure who the 6% are, you

3356
03:04:00,320 --> 03:04:05,117
know. >> Um so, so yeah. So that's um

3357
03:04:05,200 --> 03:04:09,117
>> what's also like who's on the other
side? The [__] guardian angel guy

3358
03:04:09,200 --> 03:04:12,317
with the beret and Andrew Cuomo
[laughter] who doesn't even have a

3359
03:04:12,400 --> 03:04:16,717
party. Like they the Democrats don't
even want him. So you have those two

3360
03:04:16,800 --> 03:04:19,757
options. Um,

3361
03:04:19,840 --> 03:04:21,437
>> and then you have
the young kids who are

3362
03:04:21,520 --> 03:04:27,197
like finally socialism. >> Yeah, they

3363
03:04:27,280 --> 03:04:28,317
they don't know what they're talking

3364
03:04:28,400 --> 03:04:32,557
about obviously. Um, so you know, like

3365
03:04:32,640 --> 03:04:34,877
you just look at this say how many boats

3366
03:04:34,960 --> 03:04:39,917
come from Cuba to Florida and how many
but and how many boats because you know

3367
03:04:40,000 --> 03:04:43,277
there's like a constant I always think
like how many boats are accumulating on

3368
03:04:43,360 --> 03:04:48,077
the shores of Florida coming
from from Cuba, >> right? Um

3369
03:04:48,160 --> 03:04:52,157
there's a there's a whole bunch of free
boats that you could if you want to go

3370
03:04:52,240 --> 03:04:54,797
take them back to Cuba. It's pretty close.

3371
03:04:54,880 --> 03:04:58,157
>> Yeah. >> But for some
reason people don't do that.

3372
03:04:58,240 --> 03:05:03,197
>> Why why why why are the boats
only coming in this direction?

3373
03:05:03,280 --> 03:05:06,877
>> Um >> well who is who are the most
rabid capitalists in America? The [__]

3374
03:05:06,960 --> 03:05:11,677
Cubans. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. They're
like we've seen how this story goes.

3375
03:05:11,760 --> 03:05:15,917
>> We do not want Exactly.
>> [__] off. [laughter]

3376
03:05:16,000 --> 03:05:19,757
Cubans in Miami, they don't want
to hear any [__] They don't want to hear

3377
03:05:19,840 --> 03:05:23,517
any socialism [__] They're like, "No,
no, no. We know what this actually

3378
03:05:23,600 --> 03:05:25,917
is. This isn't just some [__] dream."

3379
03:05:26,000 --> 03:05:28,637
>> Yeah. It's extreme
government oppression. Um

3380
03:05:28,720 --> 03:05:32,077
>> that's how it's a nightmare. And like

3381
03:05:32,160 --> 03:05:34,477
the like an obvious way you can tell

3382
03:05:34,560 --> 03:05:38,477
which uh which ideology is is the bad

3383
03:05:38,560 --> 03:05:43,837
one is um who has to which ideology
is building a wall to keep people in and

3384
03:05:43,920 --> 03:05:46,157
prevent them from escaping. >> Right?

3385
03:05:46,240 --> 03:05:51,917
>> Like so East Berlin built
the built the wall not West Berlin,

3386
03:05:52,000 --> 03:05:54,157
>> right? >> They built
the wall because people were

3387
03:05:54,240 --> 03:05:57,037
trying to escape from communism to West

3388
03:05:57,120 --> 03:06:01,597
Berlin. But there wasn't anyone
going from West Berlin to East Berlin,

3389
03:06:01,680 --> 03:06:04,637
>> right? >> That's why
the communists had to build a

3390
03:06:04,720 --> 03:06:07,517
wall to keep people from escaping.

3391
03:06:07,600 --> 03:06:08,477
>> They're going to have to build a wall

3392
03:06:08,560 --> 03:06:10,797
around New York City. [laughter]

3393
03:06:10,880 --> 03:06:14,557
>> Yeah. That So, so

3394
03:06:14,640 --> 03:06:19,517
that an ideology is problematic. If
that ideology has to build a wall to keep

3395
03:06:19,600 --> 03:06:21,677
people in with machine guns, >> Yes.

3396
03:06:21,760 --> 03:06:25,117
>> and shoot you if you try to leave.
Also, there's no examples of it being

3397
03:06:25,200 --> 03:06:29,677
successful ever. We're only working out
for people. No, there's examples of a

3398
03:06:29,760 --> 03:06:33,597
bunch of lies like North Korea.
Give this land to the state. We'll be in

3399
03:06:33,680 --> 03:06:35,757
control of food. No one goes hungry. No.

3400
03:06:35,840 --> 03:06:39,357
Now, no one can grow food but the
government and we'll tell you exactly

3401
03:06:39,440 --> 03:06:41,117
what you eat and you eat very little.

3402
03:06:41,200 --> 03:06:43,837
>> Right. >> Yeah. What?
When you say mom Donny's a

3403
03:06:43,920 --> 03:06:47,597
swindler, I know he has a bunch of fake
accents that he used to use. Yeah.

3404
03:06:47,680 --> 03:06:53,240
>> And you know, but what else has
he done that makes him a swindler?

3405
03:06:54,000 --> 03:06:55,997
Um

3406
03:06:56,080 --> 03:06:59,917
well I I guess if you say uh what I mean

3407
03:07:00,000 --> 03:07:01,997
if if say if you say to any audience

3408
03:07:02,080 --> 03:07:05,597
whatever that audience wants to hear uh

3409
03:07:05,680 --> 03:07:08,237
instead of what instead of having a

3410
03:07:08,320 --> 03:07:09,917
consistent message I would say that that

3411
03:07:10,000 --> 03:07:13,677
is a swindly thing to do. Um

3412
03:07:13,760 --> 03:07:20,680
and uh yeah um

3413
03:07:22,800 --> 03:07:28,317
yeah but but he is he is charismatic.
Um >> yeah good-looking guy. Smart,

3414
03:07:28,400 --> 03:07:31,597
charismatic. >> Yeah.
>> Great on a microphone.

3415
03:07:31,680 --> 03:07:33,517
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. and and what the

3416
03:07:33,600 --> 03:07:35,357
young people want to see,

3417
03:07:35,440 --> 03:07:39,037
>> you know, like this ethnic guy who's

3418
03:07:39,120 --> 03:07:41,437
young and vibrant and has all these

3419
03:07:41,520 --> 03:07:44,397
socialist ideas align with them and you

3420
03:07:44,480 --> 03:07:47,517
know, they're bunch of broke dorks just

3421
03:07:47,600 --> 03:07:52,237
out of college like, "Yay, let's vote
for this." And there's a lot of them and

3422
03:07:52,320 --> 03:07:55,517
they're they're activated.
They're motivated.

3423
03:07:55,600 --> 03:07:59,517
>> Um, >> I guess we'll
we'll we'll see what

3424
03:07:59,600 --> 03:08:02,717
happens here. >> What do
you think happens if he wins?

3425
03:08:02,800 --> 03:08:04,477
Um

3426
03:08:04,560 --> 03:08:07,597
because like 1% of New York City is

3427
03:08:07,680 --> 03:08:11,997
responsible for 50% of their tax base,

3428
03:08:12,080 --> 03:08:16,877
which is kind of nuts. 50% of the tax
revenue comes from 1% of the population.

3429
03:08:16,960 --> 03:08:21,480
And those are the people
that you're scaring off.

3430
03:08:23,040 --> 03:08:25,517
You know, you lose one half of 1%. Yeah,

3431
03:08:25,600 --> 03:08:28,557
I mean hopefully this the stuff he's he

3432
03:08:28,640 --> 03:08:30,877
said, you know, about government

3433
03:08:30,960 --> 03:08:36,397
takeovers of of like that all the stores
should be the government basically. Um

3434
03:08:36,480 --> 03:08:38,557
>> I don't think he said that.
I think he said government they want to do

3435
03:08:38,640 --> 03:08:41,837
government supermarkets, some state-run

3436
03:08:41,920 --> 03:08:44,717
or cityrun supermarkets.

3437
03:08:44,800 --> 03:08:47,677
>> Yeah. Um well, it just the the

3438
03:08:47,760 --> 03:08:52,077
government is the DMV at scale. So um
you have to say like do you want the DMV

3439
03:08:52,160 --> 03:08:55,997
running your supermarket? >> Right.
Um, was your last experience at

3440
03:08:56,080 --> 03:08:59,517
the DMV amazing? Uh, and if it wasn't,
you probably don't want the government

3441
03:08:59,600 --> 03:09:03,597
doing things. >> Imagine if they were
responsible for getting you blueberries.

3442
03:09:03,680 --> 03:09:07,597
>> Yeah. [laughter] It's not
going to be good. I mean, the

3443
03:09:07,680 --> 03:09:09,357
the the thing about, you know, communism

3444
03:09:09,440 --> 03:09:11,677
is is it was it was all bread lines and

3445
03:09:11,760 --> 03:09:15,037
bad shoes. Um, you know, do do you want

3446
03:09:15,120 --> 03:09:19,357
ugly shoes and bread lines?
Because that's what communism gets you.

3447
03:09:19,440 --> 03:09:21,037
It's going to be interesting to see what

3448
03:09:21,120 --> 03:09:24,237
happens and whether or not they snap out

3449
03:09:24,320 --> 03:09:27,117
of it and overcorrect and go to some

3450
03:09:27,200 --> 03:09:29,837
Rudy Giuliani type character next cuz

3451
03:09:29,920 --> 03:09:36,200
it's been a long time since there
was any sort of Republican leader there.

3452
03:09:43,040 --> 03:09:44,637
And we we live in the in the most

3453
03:09:44,720 --> 03:09:46,717
interesting of times

3454
03:09:46,800 --> 03:09:50,797
um because We we face the

3455
03:09:50,880 --> 03:09:53,197
you know simultaneously face

3456
03:09:53,280 --> 03:09:55,517
civilizational decline

3457
03:09:55,600 --> 03:09:59,437
um and incredible pro prosperity

3458
03:09:59,520 --> 03:10:01,837
um and these these timelines are

3459
03:10:01,920 --> 03:10:03,997
interwoven

3460
03:10:04,080 --> 03:10:08,157
um so um if Mani's policies are put into

3461
03:10:08,240 --> 03:10:11,357
place especially at scale um it it would

3462
03:10:11,440 --> 03:10:14,157
be a catastrophic

3463
03:10:14,240 --> 03:10:16,317
uh decline in living standards not just

3464
03:10:16,400 --> 03:10:18,477
for the rich but for everyone.

3465
03:10:18,560 --> 03:10:22,397
um uh as as has been the case with with

3466
03:10:22,480 --> 03:10:26,157
every um every for every every socialist

3467
03:10:26,240 --> 03:10:31,357
experiment um or every Yeah. So

3468
03:10:31,440 --> 03:10:33,677
um but but then as you pointed out the

3469
03:10:33,760 --> 03:10:37,277
the irony is that like um the ultimate

3470
03:10:37,360 --> 03:10:40,557
capitalist thing of AI and robotics

3471
03:10:40,640 --> 03:10:42,477
uh enabling

3472
03:10:42,560 --> 03:10:44,797
uh prosperity for all and an abundance

3473
03:10:44,880 --> 03:10:47,917
of goods and services actually the

3474
03:10:48,000 --> 03:10:49,837
capitalist

3475
03:10:49,920 --> 03:10:52,077
uh implementation of AI and robotics

3476
03:10:52,160 --> 03:10:55,437
assuming it goes down the the good path

3477
03:10:55,520 --> 03:11:00,717
uh is is actually what results
in the communist utopia.

3478
03:11:00,800 --> 03:11:03,677
Because fate is fate
is an irony maximizer,

3479
03:11:03,760 --> 03:11:06,877
>> right? And and an actual socialism of

3480
03:11:06,960 --> 03:11:11,677
maximum abundance of highincome people.

3481
03:11:11,760 --> 03:11:13,757
>> Universal high income. >> Yeah.

3482
03:11:13,840 --> 03:11:17,037
>> Like the the problem with communism uh

3483
03:11:17,120 --> 03:11:20,717
is is universal low income. Um it's it's

3484
03:11:20,800 --> 03:11:24,717
not that everyone gets elevated, it's
that everyone gets oppressed except for

3485
03:11:24,800 --> 03:11:29,517
a very small minority of of politicians
who live a lives of luxury. That's

3486
03:11:29,600 --> 03:11:31,277
what's happening every
time it's been done.

3487
03:11:31,360 --> 03:11:35,837
>> Yeah. Um so um

3488
03:11:35,920 --> 03:11:39,677
but then the

3489
03:11:39,760 --> 03:11:41,597
the actual communist utopia if everyone

3490
03:11:41,680 --> 03:11:44,877
gets anything they want will be will be

3491
03:11:44,960 --> 03:11:47,757
if if will be achieved

3492
03:11:47,840 --> 03:11:49,517
if it is achieved it will be achieved

3493
03:11:49,600 --> 03:11:56,520
via c capitalism >> because
fate is an irony maximizer.

3494
03:11:56,800 --> 03:11:59,837
>> I feel like we should probably end it
on that. Is there anything else? The most

3495
03:11:59,920 --> 03:12:03,197
ironic outcome is the most likely,
especially if entertaining.

3496
03:12:03,280 --> 03:12:05,517
>> Well, everything has been entertaining.

3497
03:12:05,600 --> 03:12:07,997
As long as the bad things aren't
happening to you, it's quite

3498
03:12:08,080 --> 03:12:09,837
fascinating. And it's never a boring

3499
03:12:09,920 --> 03:12:11,597
moment.

3500
03:12:11,680 --> 03:12:15,357
>> Yes. So there's I do have a theory of

3501
03:12:15,440 --> 03:12:20,717
why um like if if if simulation theory

3502
03:12:20,800 --> 03:12:23,677
is true then

3503
03:12:23,760 --> 03:12:28,957
um it is actually very likely that

3504
03:12:29,040 --> 03:12:31,997
um the most interesting outcome is the

3505
03:12:32,080 --> 03:12:34,797
is the most likely because only the

3506
03:12:34,880 --> 03:12:39,437
simulations that are interesting will
continue. The simulators will stop any

3507
03:12:39,520 --> 03:12:42,797
simulations that are boring because
they're they're not interesting.

3508
03:12:42,880 --> 03:12:46,157
>> But here's the question about the
simulation theory. Is the simulation run

3509
03:12:46,240 --> 03:12:49,357
by anyone or is >> it
would be run by someone?

3510
03:12:49,440 --> 03:12:52,877
>> It would be run by >>
some some >> some force

3511
03:12:52,960 --> 03:12:57,597
>> the pro the program like in in
this reality that we live in, we we run

3512
03:12:57,680 --> 03:12:59,677
simulations all the time. Like so when

3513
03:12:59,760 --> 03:13:01,997
we try to figure out if the rocket's

3514
03:13:02,080 --> 03:13:05,357
gonna make it, we run um

3515
03:13:05,440 --> 03:13:09,597
thousands sometimes millions
of simulations just to figure out which

3516
03:13:09,680 --> 03:13:13,677
which uh path is the good
path for the rocket

3517
03:13:13,760 --> 03:13:19,357
and and where can it go wrong, where
can it fail. Um but we when we do these I

3518
03:13:19,440 --> 03:13:21,837
say at this point millions
of simulations of of what can happen with

3519
03:13:21,920 --> 03:13:25,437
the rocket um we ignore the ones that

3520
03:13:25,520 --> 03:13:29,197
are where everything goes right um

3521
03:13:29,280 --> 03:13:32,957
because we we we just care about the we
have we have to address the situations

3522
03:13:33,040 --> 03:13:35,277
where it goes wrong.

3523
03:13:35,360 --> 03:13:37,357
Um so

3524
03:13:37,440 --> 03:13:40,397
um so so basically in in in and and for

3525
03:13:40,480 --> 03:13:42,797
for AI simulations as well like like all

3526
03:13:42,880 --> 03:13:45,997
these things we we keep the simulations

3527
03:13:46,080 --> 03:13:48,157
going that are the most interesting to

3528
03:13:48,240 --> 03:13:50,877
us. Um

3529
03:13:50,960 --> 03:13:53,997
so if simulation theory is accurate if

3530
03:13:54,080 --> 03:14:00,637
if it is true who knows um then the uh

3531
03:14:00,720 --> 03:14:04,797
the the simulators will will only they
will continue to run the simulations

3532
03:14:04,880 --> 03:14:05,917
that are most interesting there.

3533
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:09,997
Therefore from a Darwinian perspective
um the only surviving simulations will

3534
03:14:10,080 --> 03:14:11,197
be the interest the most interesting

3535
03:14:11,280 --> 03:14:14,237
ones. And in order to um avoid getting

3536
03:14:14,320 --> 03:14:18,637
turned off uh the only rule is you must

3537
03:14:18,720 --> 03:14:23,917
keep it interesting or you will if
or you will because the boring simulations

3538
03:14:24,000 --> 03:14:26,317
will be terminated. >> Are you
still completely convinced that

3539
03:14:26,400 --> 03:14:29,277
this is a simulation? >> I didn't
say I was completely convinced.

3540
03:14:29,360 --> 03:14:33,437
>> Well, you said it's like the odds
of it not being are in the billions.

3541
03:14:33,520 --> 03:14:38,877
But I guess it's not completely
cuz you're saying there's a chance.

3542
03:14:38,960 --> 03:14:43,037
>> What are the odds
that we're in base reality?

3543
03:14:43,120 --> 03:14:46,797
Um well given that given that that we're

3544
03:14:46,880 --> 03:14:50,077
able to create increasingly
sophisticated simulations. So if you

3545
03:14:50,160 --> 03:14:53,197
think of say video games and how video
games have gone from very simple video

3546
03:14:53,280 --> 03:14:54,877
games like Pong with you know two

3547
03:14:54,960 --> 03:14:57,997
rectangles and a square to video games

3548
03:14:58,080 --> 03:15:02,317
today being um photorealistic

3549
03:15:02,400 --> 03:15:05,757
uh with millions of people playing
simultaneously and all of that has

3550
03:15:05,840 --> 03:15:08,157
occurred in our lifetime.

3551
03:15:08,240 --> 03:15:11,917
So if that trend continues,

3552
03:15:12,000 --> 03:15:16,237
uh, video games will be
indistinguishable from reality. The

3553
03:15:16,320 --> 03:15:18,397
fidelity of the game will be such that

3554
03:15:18,480 --> 03:15:20,397
you you don't know if that what you're

3555
03:15:20,480 --> 03:15:24,237
seeing is a real video or a fake video.

3556
03:15:24,320 --> 03:15:26,477
Um, and like AI generated videos at this

3557
03:15:26,560 --> 03:15:30,077
point, you like you can sometimes tell

3558
03:15:30,160 --> 03:15:31,917
it's an AI generated video, but often

3559
03:15:32,000 --> 03:15:34,557
you cannot tell and soon you will not

3560
03:15:34,640 --> 03:15:38,877
really just not be able to tell. So um

3561
03:15:38,960 --> 03:15:41,677
if if that's happening in our direct

3562
03:15:41,760 --> 03:15:45,997
observation then and and
we're create we'll create

3563
03:15:46,080 --> 03:15:47,597
millions if not billions of

3564
03:15:47,680 --> 03:15:52,077
photorealistic simulations of reality

3565
03:15:52,160 --> 03:15:56,797
then what are the odds
that we're in base reality

3566
03:15:56,880 --> 03:15:59,037
or versus someone else's simulation?

3567
03:15:59,120 --> 03:16:02,957
Well, isn't it just possible that the
simulation is inevitable, but that we

3568
03:16:03,040 --> 03:16:08,280
are in base reality building
towards a simulation?

3569
03:16:08,800 --> 03:16:10,797
We're making simulations.

3570
03:16:10,880 --> 03:16:15,597
Um, so um

3571
03:16:15,680 --> 03:16:19,837
we're making simulations.
We make like you can just think of like

3572
03:16:19,920 --> 03:16:22,397
photorealistic video games as as being

3573
03:16:22,480 --> 03:16:27,197
simulations. >> Mh. Um,
and especially as you apply AI

3574
03:16:27,280 --> 03:16:30,237
in these video games, the the characters
in the video games will be incredibly

3575
03:16:30,320 --> 03:16:33,437
interesting to talk to. They won't just
have a limited dialogue tree where if

3576
03:16:33,520 --> 03:16:37,837
you go to like the the crossbow merchant
or like and you you try to talk about

3577
03:16:37,920 --> 03:16:40,077
any subject except buying a crossbow,

3578
03:16:40,160 --> 03:16:41,437
they just want to talk about selling you

3579
03:16:41,520 --> 03:16:44,877
a crossbow. Um, but with with with AI

3580
03:16:44,960 --> 03:16:48,557
based non-player characters, you can
you'll be able to have an elaborate

3581
03:16:48,640 --> 03:16:50,397
conversation with no dialogue tree.

3582
03:16:50,480 --> 03:16:51,917
Well, that might be the solution for

3583
03:16:52,000 --> 03:16:54,877
meaning for people. Just lock in and you

3584
03:16:54,960 --> 03:16:57,437
could be a [__] vampire and whatever.

3585
03:16:57,520 --> 03:17:01,837
You live in Avatar land. You could do it.
You could do whatever you want. I

3586
03:17:01,920 --> 03:17:03,837
mean, you don't have
to think about money or food.

3587
03:17:03,920 --> 03:17:09,517
>> Ready Player One. >> Yeah. Literally.
Yeah. But with higher living standards.

3588
03:17:09,600 --> 03:17:11,357
>> Yeah. >> You don't have
to be in a little trailer. I

3589
03:17:11,440 --> 03:17:13,277
>> I mean, I think this people do want to

3590
03:17:13,360 --> 03:17:20,200
have some amount of struggle
or something they want to push against. Um

3591
03:17:20,720 --> 03:17:24,317
but but it it could be you know playing
a a sports or playing a game or something.

3592
03:17:24,400 --> 03:17:27,757
>> It could be easily playing a game
and especially playing a game where you're

3593
03:17:27,840 --> 03:17:32,477
now no longer worried about like
physical attributes like athletics like

3594
03:17:32,560 --> 03:17:34,637
bad joints and hips and stuff like that.

3595
03:17:34,720 --> 03:17:38,397
Now it's completely digital but yet you

3596
03:17:38,480 --> 03:17:40,317
do have meaning in pursuing this thing

3597
03:17:40,400 --> 03:17:43,517
that you're doing all day.

3598
03:17:43,600 --> 03:17:48,397
Whatever the [__] that means.
It's going to be weird.

3599
03:17:48,480 --> 03:17:49,437
>> It's going to be interesting.

3600
03:17:49,520 --> 03:17:51,117
>> It's gonna be very interesting.

3601
03:17:51,200 --> 03:17:55,197
>> Um the most the most interesting

3602
03:17:55,280 --> 03:17:59,517
>> and and usually ironic
outcome is the most likely.

3603
03:17:59,600 --> 03:18:02,317
>> All right. >> That's
a good predictor of the future.

3604
03:18:02,400 --> 03:18:03,997
>> Thank you.
Thanks for being here. Really

3605
03:18:04,080 --> 03:18:05,997
appreciate you. Appreciate your time.

3606
03:18:06,080 --> 03:18:09,917
You I know you're a busy man, so this
means a lot you come here to do this.

3607
03:18:10,000 --> 03:18:15,400
Welcome. All right.
Thank you. Bye, everybody.

3608
03:18:17,560 --> 03:18:19,580
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