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of humans such as you and me in the very

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long term with regards to AI what's our

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what does our role become and also um we

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often frame you know because of the

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value systems the US China debate as a

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competition but is there is there value
to thinking about that in terms of a

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collaboration and maybe more
interestingly you know you mentioned

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Europe being maybe somewhat disorganized
but they also have enormous strength and

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enormous talent like Mistral and France
and so on is there something to do there

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with um collaboration

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Um, so, so a couple comments on Europe.

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Um, I was the first investor in Mstral,

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so I'm a big MRO fan. Mistral cannot

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raise the money that they're US
competitors. They have the same problem

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and they're working on solutions to

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that. Um, with respect to US and China,

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I started because of Henry, I I spent
about five years looking at Chinese peer

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competition.

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And I thought that it would be possible

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to get closer to China. And I eventually
through his work and others discovered

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that the Chinese were more afraid
of competing partnering with us than we

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were with them. So it takes two to

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tango, right? And I think it's highly
unlikely. I think you're going to see in

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your lifetime um

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hopefully understanding that we have
to coexist but it's highly unlikely that

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the two systems will become best buddies

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for the obvious reasons. I think on this

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this other question about what does what

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are humans useful for uh in the very

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long term um it's very very clear that

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humans are social animals and want
to be around other humans. It's also very

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clear that there are some things that we
need medical care and so forth which

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will be delivered by humans. I think

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that the it's a rough way to say this is

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most other functions will be doable by

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computers. Will we allow them?
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for your research, right? Is where is

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that line? My my old example was the

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following. This is back when we were
building Whimo at Google. So the thought

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experiment is New York City is nothing
but Whimo and competitor automobile cars

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and the engineers at Google and the other
companies have figured out how to

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completely optimize the traffic so that
there's the streets which don't change.

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You have the absolutely mathematically
true highest loading per street ever and

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it's seamless. And then you have
somebody with an emergency, a pregnant

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woman, you know, whatever who has to get

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to the hospital and needs an exception.

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Is there an exception button in the car
which says you have to violate all the

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rules because there's something now if

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there is not an exception button in the

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car then that's dominance of humans by a

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computer and humans will revolt if I go

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back to the pickaxe versus religion

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humans will fight that that will be seen

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as oppression by the government in this

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case in the governor New York City
whatever metaphor you want and the

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computer companies themselves If
the system on the other hand is

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adaptable to human needs and says, "Ah,
we have an actual, you know, medical

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emergency and not somebody who's high
on drugs or, you know, whatever who's just

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goofing around or some kid who's, you
know, playing with the buttons." Um, and

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it reasons and it says, "Oh my god,
I've got to do everything I can to get the

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the person to the hospital." Then it'll
be more accepted. So, a lot of this

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depends on whether it integrates with
our human experience and needs. Does it

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limit our freedom or does it increase
freedom? I've come to the view, I'm old

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enough now to believe that preserving
our freedom, our freedom of thought, of

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motion, of assembly, of gathering, you

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know, if all of the things, right,
u are really, really important, if they

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impinge on our freedom, then they will
be fought and I will be leading that

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fight. >> Please