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audience and as you can see
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Yeah, yeah, you look like you're
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what? It's it's our longevity X prize.

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We're we're getting there, buddy. We're
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where you're just drooling on yourself
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avoid that. Yeah. So, first off,

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congratulations on the merger of SpaceX

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um has filed SpaceX is in
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end of this year, but I'm not
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uh and a you know, deflation that leads
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Cuz that's a really People
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complacent. We need to We
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the future is a range of possible
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great. Um you know,
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other, driving the price down, and
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Faster and faster. Yeah,
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going to make so much stuff
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that uh they'll actually run out of things

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to do for the humans.
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the humans. And then
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there's there's only so much that humans
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So, you go back to my example of like if
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you you've long since
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than our current economy, thousand times,
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saturated saturated the human anything
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So, do do you think the the value
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decrease? Will it Will
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like an in-banks uh
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not use uh human currency. It will just

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care about uh power and mass,
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Yeah. It's kind of ironic
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you're becoming a multi-trillionaire,
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yeah. You know, this this all this stuff
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represents like some percentage
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>> Yeah. uh you know, built and it's
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you know, it's just it's just literally
I own a percentage of the companies. The

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companies are doing lots of useful things.
The value of the company grows. I own a

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percentage of the companies and that's the
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Yeah. You know, it's I I I
was interviewed by somebody who was asking

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me about your your drive,
what drives you. And

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I said Elon's driven
to solve problems. He's

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driven to make

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life in the world better by just solving
the biggest problems over and over and

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over again. And if someone else were
solving them, he wouldn't need to. But

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no one else is solving them.
So, I just want to say, >> Yeah.

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thank you for that, pal. Thank you for
that. Uh you're welcome. Um >> [applause]

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>> I >> [applause] >> I I
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democracy and our modern institutions

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can keep up with a supersonic tsunami

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coming our way? Are they just going
to fall in its way? They're just going to

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break down. How do we deal?

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I mean, it's called the singularity for
a reason, you know, which [laughter] is

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that it's hard to predict what happens
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Grok's logo is the singularity.

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>> I love it. It's a beautiful logo behind
you, by the way. It's gorgeous. Yeah,

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thank you. Uh yeah.
It It's sort of the light The light The

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The The halo around a a black hole is that
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of thing. Um It's hard It's
hard to know what happens

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inside the singularity.
Um but it's going to be very

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interesting. I We're going to live in
The future will be very entertaining. Of

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that I'm confident. >> Yes. Um

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I I think also like AI and robotics also
I mean we're going to solve our budget

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deficit, frankly, and and not
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I I'm I'm You know, you've had
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I've just decided to be more optimistic.

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It's like we just should
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>> Thank you, pal.
>> I wasn't an optimist, but I was like

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maybe dwelling a little too much on the
negative stuff. It's all It's all upside

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being an optimist.
And a realist a little bit.

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You don't want to be complacent or just

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assume everything's going to go
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you've got uh humanoid robots
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and uh and and and are
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means that everyone on Earth

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will have access to better
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than the richest person on Earth, which
by the way, I would say like, you know,

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if I'm allegedly the richest person
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are richer than me, by the way. But But
it's like I like you know, I like I had

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to have like an like a neck surgery
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done wrong. You know,
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I'm like my back still hurts a

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little bit. I'm like can AI
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Yep. So you know, back pain sucks.
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you know, someone asked why do people
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back pain. You know, it's like if
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can't sleep well, you're going to be
grumpy. We had uh Um but You you We had

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David Sinclair on stage this morning
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100 his partial epigenetic reprogramming.
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the papers recently published shows it uh

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enables joint repair.

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things that uh it eliminates.
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For sure. >> Every honestly
average happiness level

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for humans would just go up so
tremendously if you just solve back pain

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because it's not a question of of if
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know, you'll get back pain.
I I I keep on invite

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I keep on inviting you to come down
to Fountain Life in in in Dallas. We'll

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we'll help you out,
but sometime when you have time.

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>> you have like what do you I understand
like you can get like MRI and CAT scans

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and everything, but like what do
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I'm happy to happy to send you the list.

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I'll I'll DM you the list of therapeutics.

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>> some or something. Yeah, exactly.

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>> Uh you know, um listen, you've been so

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generous. Next up on stage with me is

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one of another great Moonshot
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uh the de-extinction company. Uh you
know, the woolly mammoth and 15 other

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species. I heard I heard you say you
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that Is that true? >> Yeah,
I think it'd be really cool to

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have a pet miniature woolly mammoth.

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That'd be pretty epic. Okay.
I'll I'll put a word in with you

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for you with uh with with Ben.

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>> [laughter] >> They're
very adorable. Little things

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just running around trumpeting away and
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>> would be a great little pet.

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Amazing. And also I can somebody
please do Jurassic Park in real life?

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I'd definitely go out even if
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That'd be super cool.
I think if anybody's going to do that

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it's it's Ben Lam in Colossal. He's re-
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Someone asked him recently if he can make
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Well, Jurassic Jurassic World or whatever
that would be great. All right,

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I'll ask him. Elon,
so grateful for you coming and

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joining us and sharing. Thank you
my Thank you my friend. Let's give it up

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for Elon Musk.

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I have the power.
Nothing's going to stop us.

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>> [music]

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>> You have the power.