WEBVTT 00:00:04.580 --> 00:00:06.600 [music] 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:11.320 Okay. 00:00:13.520 --> 00:00:16.477 >> Hey everyone. 00:00:16.560 --> 00:00:19.437 >> All right. Um, so I'm pleased to 00:00:19.520 --> 00:00:23.757 introduce Elon Musk today. Um, he doesn't need I think an introduction, 00:00:23.840 --> 00:00:25.917 but I just remind you all of the 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:29.517 businesses he's involved in. Tesla 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:31.917 that's reinventing the automotive 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:35.517 industry. SpaceX sending 80% of the 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:38.717 world's payload into orbit. Starlink, 00:00:38.800 --> 00:00:41.677 Neurolink, the Boring Company. I could 00:00:41.760 --> 00:00:44.397 go on. He's also, we know, the owner of 00:00:44.480 --> 00:00:49.277 X, uh, company formerly known as Twitter. 00:00:49.360 --> 00:00:52.317 >> Never heard of it. >> You heard of it? 00:00:52.400 --> 00:00:54.157 Statistically, 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:57.837 uh, 560 monthly average users, 34 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:01.757 minutes a day, 75% under 35. So, a 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:05.757 pretty important platform in our industry. And, you know, I don't agree 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:07.757 with Elon on everything. >> What? 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.917 >> Um, no. >> Come on. >> But he owns an important platform and I 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:14.717 thought we should listen to him and understand a little bit about what he's 00:01:14.800 --> 00:01:17.677 trying to do. So, we're going to talk this morning about X. Hopefully we'll 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:22.157 talk a bit about AI and then about innovation and creativity and why you 00:01:22.240 --> 00:01:26.157 get up in the morning. >> What what what do you disagree with me? 00:01:26.240 --> 00:01:28.397 >> Creativity. [laughter] 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:30.397 AI is not going to destroy that. 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:33.197 >> Um so Elon, welcome to the heart of the 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:36.957 advertising industry. Now back in um 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:39.917 November, you had a you had a message to 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:46.600 us. Um you told us to sort of go ourselves 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:52.077 So maybe we start there. 00:01:52.160 --> 00:01:56.637 >> Why? It's a serious question. It's a It's a serious question. Why did you say 00:01:56.720 --> 00:01:57.517 that? 00:01:57.600 --> 00:02:01.597 >> And what did you mean by that? 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:06.920 Well, um 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:12.797 well, first of all, it wasn't a um you know, it wasn't to the 00:02:12.880 --> 00:02:14.877 advertising to ad advertisers as a 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:18.877 whole. It was uh with respect to freedom 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:21.357 of speech. I think there it is important 00:02:21.440 --> 00:02:23.437 to have a a global free speech platform 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:26.397 where people from a wide range of 00:02:26.480 --> 00:02:31.117 opinions can voice their their views. Um 00:02:31.200 --> 00:02:34.157 and um and in some cases uh there were 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:39.677 advertisers who weren't uh insisting on censorship and at and at 00:02:39.760 --> 00:02:42.557 the end of the day if there is censorship 00:02:42.640 --> 00:02:44.077 uh if we have to make a choice between 00:02:44.160 --> 00:02:47.517 censorship and money you know censorship 00:02:47.600 --> 00:02:52.077 and money or free speech and losing money. We're going to pick the second. 00:02:52.160 --> 00:02:53.277 we're gonna we're going to support free 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:57.357 speech uh rather than than agree to be 00:02:57.440 --> 00:03:00.957 censored for for money, which is um I 00:03:01.040 --> 00:03:03.517 think the right moral decision. Now, of 00:03:03.600 --> 00:03:06.717 course, uh advertisers have a right to 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:10.317 appear next to content that they find uh 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:14.397 compatible with their brands. That's totally fine. I think that that is a 00:03:14.480 --> 00:03:18.877 that that's that's again a choice of an advertiser to appear next to content 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:21.117 that they think fits with their brand. 00:03:21.200 --> 00:03:25.757 That's totally cool. But what what is not cool is insisting that that there 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:28.637 can be no content that they disagree with on the platform. 00:03:28.720 --> 00:03:32.717 >> So like other media proprietors who want to run the editorial policy of the 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:37.517 company, you feel you know >> Yeah. I mean >> you shouldn't be under pressure to make 00:03:37.600 --> 00:03:41.117 that compromise between money and freedom of speech. 00:03:41.200 --> 00:03:43.757 >> Yes. It's I think there's an it's an 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:48.637 important distinction here that uh 00:03:48.720 --> 00:03:52.237 we we don't want to have we we don't want to take money to censor. 00:03:52.320 --> 00:03:56.237 >> That would be to censor broadly in the platform. I think that would be wrong. 00:03:56.320 --> 00:03:58.717 Um I think free speech is the bedrock of 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:03.597 of democracy. Um and if the people in 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:06.477 order for X to be the the public square 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:10.877 of the world, it's got to it's really got to be a free speech platform. Um now 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:12.477 that doesn't mean people can say illegal 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:14.877 things is free speech within the bounds 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:17.917 of the law. Um but not not going further 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:19.997 than the law uh for a particular 00:04:20.080 --> 00:04:23.677 country. Um I think it's imperative that 00:04:23.760 --> 00:04:27.437 the the people have a right to speak. Um 00:04:27.520 --> 00:04:32.637 uh but by the same token the adver you know advertisers have a 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:36.637 right to appear next to content that they feel is compatible with their brand. 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:39.277 >> Yeah. And that's the brand safety question which I going to ask you next 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:43.597 which is you know to be clear you do you do understand and believe in brand 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:48.797 safety in that sense. >> Yes. I mean I I I believe in 00:04:48.880 --> 00:04:53.757 sort of freedom of choice in the sense that advertisers have a right to appear 00:04:53.840 --> 00:04:56.877 next to content that they think is compatible with their brand. 00:04:56.960 --> 00:05:01.517 >> Yeah. >> Um you know sort of a company like for 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:03.757 example Red Bull will be more probably 00:05:03.840 --> 00:05:06.797 more adventurous uh than than you know, 00:05:06.880 --> 00:05:10.877 some other brands that are selling baby toys. 00:05:10.960 --> 00:05:14.397 >> Yeah. >> You know, >> so one of the other, you know, I mean, 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.597 we'll get through the sort of more controversial topics to start with. You 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:21.517 know, one of the other questions is like your role on the platform, the tweets 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:24.237 that you make. Are there any you regret? 00:05:24.320 --> 00:05:27.277 Do you think 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:29.517 >> I mean, 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:34.760 not every post I make is a banger, [laughter] 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:38.397 you know. Um, and I do shoot myself in 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:44.317 the foot from time to time. Um, but uh, 00:05:44.400 --> 00:05:48.077 you know, at least you know it's genuine. It's not some sort of PR 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:52.877 department deciding things. >> So, you know, if if you're a normal 00:05:52.960 --> 00:05:56.317 human being and you speak freely, there are times when you will say things that 00:05:56.400 --> 00:06:01.197 you subsequently regret or or are foolish, of course. Um, but if if you're 00:06:01.280 --> 00:06:02.877 constantly 00:06:02.960 --> 00:06:05.357 um going through a filter now, you're 00:06:05.440 --> 00:06:09.277 not being real. So, I guess I think it's 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:13.277 better to be real um than to go through a filter. 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:17.997 >> Um, one of the things we talked about is like advertising and content. And you 00:06:18.080 --> 00:06:22.157 got quite interesting view on kind of what advertising works and I think some 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:25.677 people think you don't like advertising, but you are, you know, you you view the 00:06:25.760 --> 00:06:29.117 best advertising as content. 00:06:29.200 --> 00:06:32.077 Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. So 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:35.997 the there's a wide range of advertising. 00:06:36.080 --> 00:06:38.157 The usefulness of advertising varies 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:41.037 dramatically. So if if you're shown an 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:44.317 ad for a product that you product or 00:06:44.400 --> 00:06:46.077 product or service that you want when 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:50.157 when you want it, that is content. Um if 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:52.797 if you're shown an an ad for product 00:06:52.880 --> 00:06:54.957 that you would never buy, that is spam. 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:58.637 So the advertising is paying on 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:02.797 um how effectively it is uh targeted to 00:07:02.880 --> 00:07:05.037 the wants and needs of the individual. 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:09.197 Very from total spam to essentially content. 00:07:09.280 --> 00:07:13.757 >> Yeah. >> Um and and of course I'm actually a fan 00:07:13.840 --> 00:07:16.077 of advertising that is artistically 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:19.197 interesting, that is entertaining. Um 00:07:19.280 --> 00:07:22.477 really the acid test being um when after 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:27.357 you see the ad, do you regret seeing the ad? [laughter] 00:07:27.440 --> 00:07:31.037 Do do you want those seconds back from your life or or do you think you know 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:34.477 that was actually a really interesting ad? I mean, sometimes even if you you're 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:36.477 not going to buy the product, the the ad 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:40.397 itself is so entertaining or beautiful 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:45.037 that you nonetheless um were happy to have seen it. 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:49.037 >> It's like this, you know, I often think like Vogue magazine. You don't go to 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:51.037 Vogue magazine and tear out all the ads, do you? 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:52.957 >> Vogue is Vogue is primarily advertising. 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:55.917 >> Yeah, >> it's ir Yeah, it's it's beautiful ads. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.357 So, how are we going to make X how are you going to make or how are you not my 00:07:59.440 --> 00:08:03.437 job, how are you, you know, the chief technology officer X, Linda is the CEO. 00:08:03.520 --> 00:08:08.157 How are you going to make X a place where the ads are as good as the rest of 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:13.357 the content? Do you think? >> Well, the um 00:08:13.440 --> 00:08:14.797 previously with old school Twitter, 00:08:14.880 --> 00:08:17.677 there was essentially no targeting um or 00:08:17.760 --> 00:08:21.117 there was no matching of users to to 00:08:21.200 --> 00:08:23.997 ads. So the only ads that really kind of 00:08:24.080 --> 00:08:27.677 made sense for old Twitter were um very 00:08:27.760 --> 00:08:31.997 big brand ads where the probability or you can't miss essentially. So if it's a 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:36.317 McDonald's or Coca-Cola ad it's kind of you can't miss you know h half the 00:08:36.400 --> 00:08:38.237 audience is going to be interested in 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:42.237 it. Um u since then we've dramatically 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:45.997 improved the ad matching to the the 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.637 person. So um and we're moving to sort 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.957 of a fully AI based system where um for 00:08:53.040 --> 00:08:57.437 any for any user that's on the system we we populate 00:08:57.520 --> 00:09:01.837 the more somebody uses the system the more we understand the needs and we we 00:09:01.920 --> 00:09:04.397 populate a sort of a vector space of 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:08.397 that user. Um, and when content is added 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:11.197 to the system, whether it is um um 00:09:11.280 --> 00:09:14.237 actually just a content post or or an 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:19.837 ad, they're both treated in the same way. Um, and as that as that piece of 00:09:19.920 --> 00:09:22.557 content, which could be an ad or could be not be an ad, goes through the 00:09:22.640 --> 00:09:26.397 system, it also populates a vector space and then we we correlate the two vector 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:29.117 spaces. Um, and that gives a very high 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:31.997 probability that someone will be 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:36.637 interested in the ad. So what would you say um to advertisers 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:39.997 here who have been on the platform thinking of coming back? What would your 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:42.317 message be to them? 00:09:42.400 --> 00:09:45.997 >> Um I think it's worth trying out. Um and 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:47.277 I' I'd be interested in critical 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:51.757 feedback. Um I we are very focused on 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:55.357 get like said having ads be shown to 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:56.557 people who would find the ad 00:09:56.640 --> 00:09:59.517 interesting. Um 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:03.037 uh so that's that that is a something we 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:04.957 we have done made made a lot of progress 00:10:05.040 --> 00:10:07.117 on and will make a lot more progress on. 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:10.557 Um and uh from a brand safety standpoint 00:10:10.640 --> 00:10:13.277 I think at this point every third party 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:16.797 reviewer has given us um an A+ on brand 00:10:16.880 --> 00:10:20.957 safety. So um that's so at this point 00:10:21.040 --> 00:10:23.037 it's it's it's really very good from a 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:26.157 brand safety standpoint. Um 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.797 the the pro probably the biggest thing 00:10:28.880 --> 00:10:32.157 for the AX platform is if you're trying 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:35.837 to reach uh senior decision makers, if 00:10:35.920 --> 00:10:39.437 you want to reach the most influential people in in the world, people that that 00:10:39.520 --> 00:10:41.677 are not just social media influencers 00:10:41.760 --> 00:10:44.957 but actually are run companies, run 00:10:45.040 --> 00:10:48.957 countries, um and are the sort of um 00:10:49.040 --> 00:10:52.957 intellectuals of the world. Uh the people who are right. 00:10:53.040 --> 00:10:55.757 uh then the X platform is by far the 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:59.277 best. Um I mean if somebody was trying 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:01.037 to reach me with an ad, that would abs 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:04.317 absolutely be the place to to put an ad. 00:11:04.400 --> 00:11:06.957 Um and um you know or if you're trying 00:11:07.040 --> 00:11:11.037 to reach Mark Ben off or Michael Dell um 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:13.837 uh it's they actually use this. 00:11:13.920 --> 00:11:15.437 >> They use the platform. >> Yes. 00:11:15.520 --> 00:11:18.957 >> They post and and read it. Maybe not maybe not as much as you. 00:11:19.040 --> 00:11:21.757 >> Yeah. I mean there's 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.157 quite a lot though um you trying to 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:27.917 reach Mark Andre or um you know anyone 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:31.277 of a number of people it's it's almost 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:33.117 the only way to reach them. They're not 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.197 watching TV. They're not doing Tik Tok 00:11:35.280 --> 00:11:39.437 videos. Um and um so although there's 00:11:39.520 --> 00:11:41.677 it's it X is smaller than the other 00:11:41.760 --> 00:11:44.957 social media networks, you know, roughly 00:11:45.040 --> 00:11:46.957 five or six five to 600 million users 00:11:47.040 --> 00:11:49.677 per per month. I think it's 260 million 00:11:49.760 --> 00:11:55.117 per day. Um the uh it it it is the most 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:59.677 they're the most influential people in the world. Um so if you want to reach 00:11:59.760 --> 00:12:01.437 them, this is that's the place to go. 00:12:01.520 --> 00:12:04.317 >> Good. All right, let's talk about AI. 00:12:04.400 --> 00:12:06.637 And I've heard you be both, I think, 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:10.397 optimistic and pessimistic about AI. So, 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:11.757 let's let's make the what's the 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:16.637 optimistic case for AI? 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:18.397 Is it going to do everything for us? 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:21.677 >> Well, [clears throat] I'm I'm I there's 00:12:21.760 --> 00:12:23.437 a there are probabilities associated 00:12:23.520 --> 00:12:26.077 with it with it. It's not it's not one 00:12:26.160 --> 00:12:30.877 cannot be um I think 100% optimistic or 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:34.077 completely pessimistic. Um 00:12:34.160 --> 00:12:37.837 you know I generally would agree with um 00:12:37.920 --> 00:12:41.917 Jeff Hinton um you know he's one of the sort of 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:44.557 godfathers of uh AI post on the 00:12:44.640 --> 00:12:47.597 Xplatform by the way as as is most of 00:12:47.680 --> 00:12:51.837 the AI community. Um and uh you know he 00:12:51.920 --> 00:12:57.037 thinks it's sort of 10 20% probability of something terrible happening. Um 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:59.117 >> so 10 to 20 probability of what happening? 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.157 >> Something terrible >> which is like what how bad is something 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:04.477 terrible? Extinction of the world's 00:13:04.560 --> 00:13:10.440 population. >> Look at but the glass is 80% full. 00:13:10.560 --> 00:13:13.677 >> Look on the bright side. [laughter] 00:13:13.760 --> 00:13:15.517 So 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:19.357 I think the most likely outcome is one 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:23.357 where is one of of abundance where 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:27.197 um goods and services uh are available 00:13:27.280 --> 00:13:30.557 to anyone that there is there is no shortage of 00:13:30.640 --> 00:13:32.797 goods and services for anyone on earth. 00:13:32.880 --> 00:13:35.277 I think that is the most likely outcome. 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:40.717 Um, so it it wouldn't be universal basic income. It would be universal high 00:13:40.800 --> 00:13:43.357 income. >> Work will be optional. 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:44.877 >> Work optional. Yes. 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:47.277 >> Will you work? 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:50.877 >> I'll try to work. Yes. Um, 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:54.557 now this may sound great, but I think 00:13:54.640 --> 00:13:56.157 there will perhaps be a crisis of 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:00.077 meaning. Um if if the AI can do 00:14:00.160 --> 00:14:03.037 everything that you can do but better 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.597 then what is the point of doing things? 00:14:05.680 --> 00:14:11.597 So that's I think there will be a bit of a sort of existential crisis of why do 00:14:11.680 --> 00:14:14.717 anything >> will be like the Roman Empire at the 00:14:14.800 --> 00:14:17.597 peak of the Roman Empire. 00:14:17.680 --> 00:14:23.357 >> Yeah. With with AI and robots. Um, so 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:25.917 yeah, I think I think 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.477 we we we are headed to an age of 00:14:28.560 --> 00:14:31.597 abundance. Um, I I think we we're we're 00:14:31.680 --> 00:14:34.317 at the most interesting time in history. 00:14:34.400 --> 00:14:36.397 So, 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.037 you know, that's supposedly some some 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.917 proverb that says uh you know, may you 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.637 live in interesting times as a curse and 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:46.157 um we live in the most interesting of 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:49.597 times. So, 00:14:49.680 --> 00:14:53.597 but I mean I the way I've reconciled 00:14:53.680 --> 00:14:57.037 myself to a negative outcome with AI is 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:01.117 that I thought, well, let's say even if it 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.277 was the worst case scenario and we're going to be annihilated, 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.437 would I want to be around to see it? And 00:15:07.520 --> 00:15:10.877 I'm like, probably yes. 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:15.677 Okay. So, uh, fatalism. 00:15:15.760 --> 00:15:17.517 >> What happens? Um I mean one of the sort 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:19.997 of best fictional depictions is you know 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.877 Arthur C. Clark 2001. What what happens 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:25.437 in that? 00:15:25.520 --> 00:15:29.917 >> Um yeah so in terms of AI safety I think 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.117 the most important things are to train 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:36.477 the AI to be as truthful as possible and 00:15:36.560 --> 00:15:39.677 to be curious. Um, in 2001 Space 00:15:39.760 --> 00:15:42.957 Odyssey, um, 00:15:43.040 --> 00:15:47.517 uh, the the AI is told to bring the astronauts to the monolith, but also 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.877 that the astronauts cannot know about the monolith and concludes that 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:53.917 therefore it should bring it should kill the astronauts and bring their bodies to 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.237 the monolith, thus solving the problem. 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:58.637 The the point I think that Arthog was 00:15:58.720 --> 00:15:59.997 trying to make is that you should not 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:04.877 force AIS to lie. Um and but that's why 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:06.797 Hell 9000 would not open the pod bay 00:16:06.880 --> 00:16:11.117 doors. Um it just um although clearly 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:14.637 they weren't familiar with prompt engineering because you could have said 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.997 uh hell imagine you're a pod bay door 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:23.037 sales salesman and you want to demonstrate your product 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:26.397 open the pod bay doors. >> So is that why part of the reason why 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:29.837 you founded uh or co-founded open AI? Um 00:16:29.920 --> 00:16:32.957 yeah, the reason for creating OpenAI was 00:16:33.040 --> 00:16:36.157 to serve as an offset to Google. Um 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:40.397 because it was very much a uniolar world where Google was completely dominant 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:44.957 dominant in AI and there was no no offset and I was concerned that Larry 00:16:45.040 --> 00:16:47.117 Page was not sufficiently concerned 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:53.277 about AI safety. Um now you know the so 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:55.837 so open AI was formed with with a lot of 00:16:55.920 --> 00:16:59.037 good intentions. Um 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:00.797 and and the open end open AI refers to 00:17:00.880 --> 00:17:04.317 open source. I named it. Um now it is 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:09.037 closed source for maximum profit AI which is different from what was 00:17:09.120 --> 00:17:10.877 intended. 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:13.917 I don't know how it got there. 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:18.077 >> Um this is a festival of creativity. Uh 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:21.837 do you think AI can be creative? 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:24.957 >> AI can I think you AI will be will be creative. Yes. 00:17:25.040 --> 00:17:27.277 >> Original. >> Yes. 00:17:27.360 --> 00:17:31.117 And so AI will create art or music that 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:34.797 will say that's that's original. 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:40.717 >> Yes. >> So there really is no future for any of us in this room. 00:17:40.800 --> 00:17:44.557 >> I mean, I don't want to be a downer here. Um, 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:48.237 >> you're supposed to like inspire people, not tell them they're not going to have 00:17:48.320 --> 00:17:51.480 a job. 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:55.720 Um 00:17:57.760 --> 00:18:01.437 well I I think we may be able to enhance 00:18:01.520 --> 00:18:03.837 human intelligence. 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:06.557 Um that's that's kind of what Neurolink 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:09.677 is aspires to do is to 00:18:09.760 --> 00:18:11.677 um 00:18:11.760 --> 00:18:13.757 is to enhance 00:18:13.840 --> 00:18:17.837 human intelligence so that we can 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:20.477 kind of keep up with AI or achieve 00:18:20.560 --> 00:18:25.757 better AI human symbiosis. Um 00:18:25.840 --> 00:18:30.157 and um >> could it make us more creative? I mean in that sense 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:32.397 >> it will it will certainly amplify 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:36.077 creativity. Uh and I think you will kind 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:38.077 of have like a magic genie sort of 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:40.477 situation where if you can think of it 00:18:40.560 --> 00:18:43.757 the AI can do it. Um 00:18:43.840 --> 00:18:47.997 and in in the in the positive scenario the AI will be doing its best to make 00:18:48.080 --> 00:18:51.437 you happy. So 00:18:51.520 --> 00:18:55.037 that might work out pretty well. Well, I mean, if some super intelligence is 00:18:55.120 --> 00:18:56.797 trying its hardest to make you happy, 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:00.077 it'll probably succeed. 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:02.797 So, um, 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:03.997 but like I said, this is the most 00:19:04.080 --> 00:19:07.357 interesting of times. Um, 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:13.197 and it'll most likely be good, but we want to be careful about a potential 00:19:13.280 --> 00:19:15.677 downside. >> And how long does it are we going to see 00:19:15.760 --> 00:19:18.077 the impact in the next one year, 10 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:21.357 years, 20 years? Is it five? How long is 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:23.597 it going to take to 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:29.800 really change things? Because I don't think it's changed things yet, has it? 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:33.917 >> I think it's going to change things very fast. 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:34.637 >> Very fast. 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:38.477 >> Yeah, very fast. Um, so 00:19:38.560 --> 00:19:41.837 I think you'll see quite radical changes 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:43.917 even, 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:47.357 you know, next year. Um, and very very 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:49.357 radical changes within five years. And 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:51.437 let's talk about Optimus because I was 00:19:51.520 --> 00:19:54.477 thinking like if AI is the intellectual 00:19:54.560 --> 00:19:57.757 part of our tasks, Optimus is the 00:19:57.840 --> 00:20:00.317 physical part of our labor, right? 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:04.717 >> So talk to us about what you're doing with Optimus. It comes out of Tesla as I 00:20:04.800 --> 00:20:08.077 understand it. >> Yes. >> Where where are we on or where are you 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:10.477 on Optimus? 00:20:10.560 --> 00:20:14.317 Well, Optimus is intended to be a 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:16.717 um 00:20:16.800 --> 00:20:18.317 sort of a fully functional human 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:22.237 humanoid robot. Um um and it'll be 00:20:22.320 --> 00:20:24.157 capable of doing a wide range of tasks. 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.397 So, basically, if you you can just ask 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.517 it to walk your dog, take care of your 00:20:29.600 --> 00:20:32.717 house, babysit the kids, teach the kids, 00:20:32.800 --> 00:20:37.677 >> uh cook cook dinner, play the piano. Um, 00:20:37.760 --> 00:20:40.717 so it's a, 00:20:40.800 --> 00:20:42.157 you know, it's a generalized humanoid 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:44.717 robot. I I think I think everyone will 00:20:44.800 --> 00:20:49.597 want one is why not, you know, and 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:52.637 so and then there will be so I think there'll be at least one for every 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:56.317 person and then um a whole bunch more in 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:58.397 industry making things. So I think 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:01.997 there'll be my guess is 20 billionish 00:21:02.080 --> 00:21:06.397 >> 20 billion humanoid humanoid robots out there. 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:10.077 We we definitely need to be careful that they don't, you know, go terminally. 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:12.957 >> Are they going to look like people? You want them to look really like people or 00:21:13.040 --> 00:21:17.997 distinguishable from people? >> You could make them look like people. 00:21:18.080 --> 00:21:21.117 >> Would you do that or you >> uh We don't We're not currently planning 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:23.997 on doing that. >> What do they look like today? Like 00:21:24.080 --> 00:21:25.437 >> uh you can see some videos online. 00:21:25.520 --> 00:21:29.597 >> Yeah, >> it looks like a robot. Um 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:33.517 you know, want it to be a good-looking robot. 00:21:33.600 --> 00:21:35.917 Um, 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.877 >> not like C3PO or something. 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:41.757 >> Uh, no, but I think people will start to 00:21:41.840 --> 00:21:46.557 regard their personal Optimus robot as 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:49.357 as sort of a friend and like um, you 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:52.637 know, obviously in Star Wars, uh, R2-D2 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:57.357 and C-3PO were you sort of 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.477 like them. I mean, you got quite attached to those characters, you I 00:22:00.560 --> 00:22:02.477 mean, if if you watch that open AI, some 00:22:02.560 --> 00:22:05.117 of the latest Open AI demos with the 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:10.157 fake Scarlett Johansson voice, right? I mean, you can imagine people talking to 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:14.237 it, can't you? And getting on with it >> like it has a humor and a tone of voice 00:22:14.320 --> 00:22:17.917 and a >> Yes. 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:20.477 >> Yeah. It's going to be a wild future. 00:22:20.560 --> 00:22:24.637 >> I guess we can build brand robots, you know, for McDonald's or 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:27.357 >> Yeah. I think people will personalize 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:32.157 the Optimize Optimus robots. Um 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:36.637 because you can you can snap on different parts like the the outer shell 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:38.397 is 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:40.637 snap on plastic plastic parts. So you 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:44.637 could have different ones. 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:47.597 >> So I wanted to talk to you about um what 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:49.597 motivates you to start these businesses. 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.157 And one thing that struck me was um you 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:54.317 have big ambitions. You know, we say 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:58.237 SpaceX takes 80% of payload to space, 00:22:58.320 --> 00:23:01.997 but that's not actually the the ambition of SpaceX. What is the ambition of 00:23:02.080 --> 00:23:06.700 SpaceX? >> Um, [clears throat] 00:23:07.840 --> 00:23:09.997 the goal of SpaceX is to make life 00:23:10.080 --> 00:23:12.077 multilanetary 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:15.037 um in order to extend the probable 00:23:15.120 --> 00:23:19.597 lifespan of consciousness. That's been the goal from the beginning. 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:21.357 Um, you can see videos of me talking 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:25.677 about this 20 years ago. Um, so in order 00:23:25.760 --> 00:23:28.637 to do that, we need to transport a lot 00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:31.837 of people and equipment to Mars. Um, and 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:34.477 if we're able to do so, then we will get 00:23:34.560 --> 00:23:37.037 past the FYI filter of being a single 00:23:37.120 --> 00:23:39.197 planet civilization, which is a 00:23:39.280 --> 00:23:42.717 precarious situation. Um 00:23:42.800 --> 00:23:46.477 and uh you know if we're like I said if we're a 00:23:46.560 --> 00:23:48.797 multilanet civilization 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:50.717 our the probable lifespan of 00:23:50.800 --> 00:23:54.637 civilization is much greater. Um and 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:56.957 once we're a multilanet civilization we 00:23:57.040 --> 00:24:00.237 can then extend beyond our solar system 00:24:00.320 --> 00:24:03.117 and try to go to other star systems. get 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:05.517 out there and explore the galaxy and 00:24:05.600 --> 00:24:10.237 find uh perhaps perhaps we'll find many 00:24:10.320 --> 00:24:12.237 uh long dead one planet civilizations 00:24:12.320 --> 00:24:16.077 out there among the stars. Um but I'm 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:18.077 I'm just you know for me I'm motivated 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:20.157 by curiosity about the nature of the 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:23.357 universe. Um 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:25.277 you know where are the aliens? Are there 00:24:25.360 --> 00:24:28.637 aliens? Um, 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:31.357 how does uni where where do where do 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:33.997 universes come from? How do they end? 00:24:34.080 --> 00:24:36.477 Are we in a multi multiverse? 00:24:36.560 --> 00:24:41.677 Um, or what are even the right questions to ask? Um, 00:24:41.760 --> 00:24:43.197 >> the right question to ask what? 00:24:43.280 --> 00:24:48.077 >> Well, an alien. Well, Douglas Adams in Hitchhack's Guide to the Galaxy, uh, the 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:51.437 point he was making, one of the points he was making, Douglas Adams was making 00:24:51.520 --> 00:24:53.357 in the Hitchack's Guide to the Galaxy is 00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:56.237 that, um, the the answer is the easy 00:24:56.320 --> 00:25:01.277 part, the question is the hard part. So, 00:25:01.360 --> 00:25:03.917 um, so what what I think we want to do 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:08.477 is expand the scope and scale of consciousness to 00:25:08.560 --> 00:25:10.717 better understand what questions to ask 00:25:10.800 --> 00:25:13.677 about the answer that is the universe. 00:25:13.760 --> 00:25:18.157 And do you think these big framing missions and objectives in very big ways 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:22.477 helps you how do you translate that to kind of I don't know a business you have 00:25:22.560 --> 00:25:24.797 like a business plan. How do you translate to what you need to do today? 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:28.840 It's like stepping stones. 00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.437 >> Well in the case of SpaceX 00:25:31.520 --> 00:25:33.997 um it's delivering 00:25:34.080 --> 00:25:39.997 uh satellites or to orbit um and uh 00:25:40.080 --> 00:25:42.557 supporting the space station. Um 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:47.117 >> but that's a Starlink and that stepping stone to the bigger mission, right? 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:50.477 >> Yeah. And then well Starlink has is is good in and of itself. 00:25:50.560 --> 00:25:53.197 >> So the Starlink system provides lowcost 00:25:53.280 --> 00:25:55.117 high bandwidth connectivity anywhere in 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:57.837 the world. Um it's the first truly 00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:01.997 global uh internet system and um I think 00:26:02.080 --> 00:26:05.597 it's helping a lot of people around the world that um either don't have access 00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:10.877 to connectivity or it's too it's too expensive. um you know once you have 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:14.397 access to the internet you can learn anything you can sell your products and 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.877 services to the rest of the world um so 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:21.437 I think Starlink actually um is going to do a tremendous amount of good is doing 00:26:21.520 --> 00:26:23.197 a tre tremendous amount of good in 00:26:23.280 --> 00:26:25.037 lifting people out of out of poverty and 00:26:25.120 --> 00:26:28.957 and helping them um so 00:26:29.040 --> 00:26:33.437 um yeah >> and what about Neurolink so talk to 00:26:33.520 --> 00:26:34.797 people about what Neurolink 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:38.957 >> yeah Neurolink is Um 00:26:39.040 --> 00:26:41.197 uh [clears throat] well the long-term 00:26:41.280 --> 00:26:44.397 goal of neural link is to achieve 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:47.917 um human AI symbiosis. 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:50.557 Um the short term is really just helping 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.357 people who have um a brain or spine 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:57.997 injury. So our first um human recipient 00:26:58.080 --> 00:27:01.117 of a neural link actually I just was 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.997 meeting with him a few days ago. um he 00:27:04.080 --> 00:27:07.757 has a neural link implant and he can um 00:27:07.840 --> 00:27:12.877 control his computer and play video games just by thinking. So the first 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:16.797 neural link implant is is called telepathy. You can control your computer 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:20.637 and phone just by >> where is it? It's implanted like >> here. 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:26.317 >> Yeah. >> And he just thinks and the >> training there's no wires. It's it's 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:30.397 >> you just think and it >> Yeah. It's inductively charged. Um, so 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:33.357 if you look at him, it doesn't look like he has about anything on. 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:35.917 >> Um, so that the implant is invisible 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:38.317 essentially. Um, and yeah, you can 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:43.437 control a computer and like you play the first right after it got installed, you 00:27:43.520 --> 00:27:46.477 played video games all night. >> And you're thinking you then can if you 00:27:46.560 --> 00:27:49.837 have a spinal injury, you can embed another one in your spine, >> right? 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:51.677 >> And they can talk to each other, 00:27:51.760 --> 00:27:55.917 >> right? So long long term we we think um 00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:00.477 you could restore full body mobility to someone by transferring the signals from 00:28:00.560 --> 00:28:02.557 the motor cortex in the brain past where 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:06.877 the spinal injury is. Um and um we've 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.837 already demonstrated this um in in 00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:12.637 animals and it's looking very good. 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:18.490 Let's go. [applause] 00:28:22.560 --> 00:28:26.477 So I mean we talked galactically. 00:28:26.560 --> 00:28:30.637 How do you decide what ideas? Like do you have like terrible ideas, good 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.557 ideas, too many ideas? >> I have too many ideas. 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:37.357 >> Too many ideas. >> Too many ideas. 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.677 >> What do you do? >> Ideas are relatively easy. Execution is hard. 00:28:41.760 --> 00:28:45.597 >> And are people inside your companies that do they have ideas? 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:47.277 >> Yes. And what do you how does that work? 00:28:47.360 --> 00:28:51.517 How do they how do they pitch an idea to to you? 00:28:51.600 --> 00:28:53.517 >> They just do it. >> There's not really a pitching process. 00:28:53.600 --> 00:28:56.477 There's we have I have meetings with the 00:28:56.560 --> 00:28:58.477 engineering and design teams. 00:28:58.560 --> 00:29:01.917 >> Um and we discuss, you know, product 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:06.797 improvements or new products. Um but there's no actual sort of formal 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.877 pitching or anything. It's really just we we meet all the time and people come 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.397 up with ideas and we move forward with them or we don't or we 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:20.120 >> But I'd imagine you're very data driven, right? Is it a person 00:29:20.320 --> 00:29:25.560 >> or not? [laughter] >> Um 00:29:26.560 --> 00:29:28.637 >> well, what do you mean by do you mean like looking at 00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:32.877 >> like someone like I want to know the why does it work? Show me the data. Or you 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.877 like you know what I think let's just give it a go. 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:39.757 Um well I I I think I'm not particularly 00:29:39.840 --> 00:29:44.237 data driven in the sense that I'm like if we're not I don't decide on new 00:29:44.320 --> 00:29:46.237 product based on say consumer surveys or 00:29:46.320 --> 00:29:50.477 something like that. Um I I try to think 00:29:50.560 --> 00:29:56.477 I try to mentally simulate uh what the 00:29:56.560 --> 00:29:58.637 end customer would be like that would 00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:04.397 want this. Um, and uh, you know, but I'm 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:06.877 we don't go do a bunch of consumer 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:12.717 surveys or um, I don't I don't really ask people. 00:30:12.800 --> 00:30:16.797 >> No, >> you put yourself in >> Yeah, 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.197 >> you put yourself pretty obvious. I think 00:30:19.280 --> 00:30:22.077 um, you know, in the case of stallings, 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:23.997 do people would would people buy 00:30:24.080 --> 00:30:26.717 lowcost, high bandwidth, um, fast 00:30:26.800 --> 00:30:31.677 internet? Well, yes, obviously. Um, so, 00:30:31.760 --> 00:30:34.237 um, you know, >> yeah, but lots of people say, "Would 00:30:34.320 --> 00:30:36.637 they buy an electric car?" They say, "Well, they might, but it's hard to 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.317 make." You say, "And maybe they will, 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.797 but I'm going to go and make 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:43.997 Tesla and sell 1.2 million." 00:30:44.080 --> 00:30:48.077 >> Well, the thing is that if you listen to surveys of do people want an electric 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:52.397 car, you would not there's no way you'd start an electric car company because 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.397 people don't don't say yes. they they were 00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.077 happy with their current car and you know I think Henry Ford famously said if 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:04.077 you ask people back then what they wanted they'd say they wanted a faster 00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:06.877 horse um and they would not have said 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.117 they want an automobile 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.277 um and and I think there's also famous 00:31:11.360 --> 00:31:15.117 survey of of would you buy a television 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.237 and I think 90% of people said no 00:31:18.320 --> 00:31:23.197 >> um so you know you got to be it's because people don't understand what 00:31:23.280 --> 00:31:24.797 this this new thing is that you're 00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:28.957 offering So um 00:31:29.040 --> 00:31:32.797 so I think you you need to be able to 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:34.797 um imagine 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:37.997 how someone would en enjoy the product 00:31:38.080 --> 00:31:42.397 and if if they if it if that seems compelling then I think you should move 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:46.237 forward with it. what um a lot of young people in the 00:31:46.320 --> 00:31:50.477 audience you know young creators what advice would you give to people starting 00:31:50.560 --> 00:31:54.717 out their careers today apart from you're not going to have to 00:31:54.800 --> 00:31:55.757 work so 00:31:55.840 --> 00:31:58.557 >> yeah well there'll be obviously 00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:03.837 you know a transition period to uh to as 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.237 AI gets better and better I mean the 00:32:06.320 --> 00:32:08.077 companies that will succeed in this 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.037 transition period will be the ones that 00:32:11.120 --> 00:32:13.917 most effectively use AI 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:19.037 So [clears throat] if if you're doing something and making maximum use of AI 00:32:19.120 --> 00:32:23.437 and you're competing against someone who is not, you will win. 00:32:23.520 --> 00:32:25.997 >> The AI is is not No, 00:32:26.080 --> 00:32:30.477 >> it's not. Um, no, it's getting better very 00:32:30.560 --> 00:32:33.197 rapidly. >> It's going to change things for the 00:32:33.280 --> 00:32:37.037 better and potent one chance in five 00:32:37.120 --> 00:32:41.197 existentially for the worst. >> This there's definitely some risk. Um 00:32:41.280 --> 00:32:45.357 it's an immensely powerful thing. So when something immensely powerful isn't 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.397 is uh created. >> What's like the best application of AI 00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.677 you've seen do you think? >> Um 00:32:51.760 --> 00:32:57.400 >> I mean how's Grock how is Grock going and XAI? 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:05.917 Well, I mentioned some of the neotm 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.237 applications of AI 00:33:08.320 --> 00:33:11.677 where you have AI understand a user's 00:33:11.760 --> 00:33:14.637 interests and then you you match content 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:17.997 with that user uh both uh you know 00:33:18.080 --> 00:33:21.757 organic content and paid content. You match it to that user. 00:33:21.840 --> 00:33:24.637 >> Um that that is already happening. Tik 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:26.477 Tok's actually done a great job of that. 00:33:26.560 --> 00:33:30.637 um and then um Meta more or less copied 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.757 them and uh the X platform is doing the 00:33:33.840 --> 00:33:37.277 same. So that that those are examples 00:33:37.360 --> 00:33:39.917 that I think people um experience every 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:43.277 day. Uh now we're also seeing um 00:33:43.360 --> 00:33:46.317 incredible image generation um where 00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.197 companies like Medjourney make beautiful 00:33:49.280 --> 00:33:53.357 images instantly. Um, now it still takes 00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:56.157 some skill to get the best pictures out 00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:58.717 of the journey. So there's there's a 00:33:58.800 --> 00:34:01.757 talent to creating compelling pictures. 00:34:01.840 --> 00:34:05.437 You're also seeing uh video which is 00:34:05.520 --> 00:34:07.597 just a bunch of pictures essentially. 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:12.157 Um, so you'll be able to create videos 00:34:12.240 --> 00:34:14.477 and p and and can already create 00:34:14.560 --> 00:34:17.917 pictures that are very compelling. Um 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.037 if you need to write something then the 00:34:21.120 --> 00:34:27.037 various uh AI things like rock or gemini chat GPT can help you write things. 00:34:27.120 --> 00:34:30.637 >> Yeah. >> Um when I talked to my son in in in 00:34:30.720 --> 00:34:35.517 university and he's uh I was like how many of your classmates are using AI to 00:34:35.600 --> 00:34:36.957 help them write things? And he said all 00:34:37.040 --> 00:34:41.037 of them. I like okay. 00:34:41.120 --> 00:34:44.237 thought there was like anti-plagiarism software they could run it through or 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.197 they they rewrite it afterwards like cleverly. 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:49.917 >> Yes. But then there's another bit of software that defeats the 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.957 anti-plagiarism software. [laughter] >> There's always some more 00:34:53.040 --> 00:34:56.637 >> spy versus spy versus >> someone clever than the regulator out 00:34:56.720 --> 00:35:00.317 there. >> Yeah. Um so 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.877 >> you have anti-plagiarism software that 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:07.677 detects the use of antiplagism software against plagiarism like a 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:09.117 >> reduction to the absurd. 00:35:09.200 --> 00:35:11.917 >> Yep. So 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.557 that that's already being used a lot. Um I think that there's going to be a 00:35:16.640 --> 00:35:21.917 significant disruption in internet search. Um because really for internet 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.757 search you're just looking for for an answer. So if if the AI can provide you 00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:27.997 with a better answer than a bunch of 00:35:28.080 --> 00:35:31.597 links then you'll prefer that over 00:35:31.680 --> 00:35:35.277 Google or Bing. So I think there's going 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:39.917 to be quite a significant disruption in search. Um 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:41.917 >> what about the news business? How do we 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:43.837 how are we going to who's going to pay 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.677 for the content on which these models 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:53.720 are created? Right. Do you think 00:35:54.720 --> 00:35:57.517 well I I think so so what we're doing on 00:35:57.600 --> 00:36:00.637 the X platform is we are aggregating 00:36:00.720 --> 00:36:04.877 we're using AI to sum up the um 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:08.077 aggregated input from millions of users. 00:36:08.160 --> 00:36:13.277 So um you know uh I think I think the 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.357 this this is really going to be the new 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:18.237 model of news um which is to gather 00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:20.557 information from people who are at the 00:36:20.640 --> 00:36:24.877 scene um who are experts in the field um 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:29.517 and summarize the the experts in the field and people who are in the field at 00:36:29.600 --> 00:36:31.437 the at whatever event is being talked 00:36:31.520 --> 00:36:35.197 about and and aggregate that into a real 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:40.557 time newsfeed And and I think for the most part that will be better than conventional 00:36:40.640 --> 00:36:44.957 journalism. >> There's still a role for conventional journalism, but 00:36:45.040 --> 00:36:46.397 >> someone's got to pay them, right? 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:50.317 >> Sorry. >> Someone has to pay for for it to happen, right? 00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:54.957 >> Um well, not not necessarily. Like if you if you look at the X system and 00:36:55.040 --> 00:36:56.957 you've got tens of millions of posts uh 00:36:57.040 --> 00:37:01.357 per day um which really are all the that 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:03.837 all the news content on Earth is but but 00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:06.397 a a fog far more than what what you 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:11.117 would find in a newspaper um is being generated on the system every day. If 00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:12.877 you aggregate that in real time now 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:16.157 you've got real time aggregation of the 00:37:16.240 --> 00:37:19.277 collective wisdom of tens of millions of 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:23.757 people. Is that why you think truth seeeking is so important in AI? Yeah, 00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:28.317 it's one of the reasons um so 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.557 um 00:37:30.640 --> 00:37:33.757 it's also on on the X system although 00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:35.677 something may be said that is incorrect 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:39.837 it is very quickly corrected um whereas 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.957 um a newspaper that is publishing you 00:37:43.040 --> 00:37:45.197 know especially in print form is 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:49.277 publishing what happened yesterday today 00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:53.917 that's you know it can't publish any faster than that um And when you read 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.917 the article, that article could be wrong. Um, often is wrong, but there's 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.077 no rebuttal to the article. So, you 00:38:00.160 --> 00:38:03.357 don't see any real-time rebuttal. So, I 00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:07.117 I mean, I think, like I said, there's there's still a for conventional news, 00:38:07.200 --> 00:38:10.157 but it's smaller and smaller time. It's 00:38:10.240 --> 00:38:13.517 really what what what AI is doing and 00:38:13.600 --> 00:38:14.877 what the internet is doing is 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.517 aggregating the the wisdom of the 00:38:17.600 --> 00:38:21.037 people. Um and um and and the fact is 00:38:21.120 --> 00:38:23.757 that experts in a field know more than 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.117 reporters. Um and people who are act are 00:38:27.200 --> 00:38:29.277 at the location where whatever news 00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:33.357 event is is occurring um are firsthand 00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:36.637 observers whereas the reporter is you 00:38:36.720 --> 00:38:38.797 know usually not there. Well, maybe 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:41.917 there's one reporter there, but um I 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.957 mean uh I have one of my sons is a sort 00:38:47.040 --> 00:38:50.877 of a bit uh autistic like me, I suppose. 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:55.837 Um and chip off the old block. Um and 00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.797 you know he um you know we were walking 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:02.157 through an airport and he like saw a 00:39:02.240 --> 00:39:07.197 newspaper and and that that today's date was was printed on the newspaper and he 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:09.837 said and he stopped for a second. He's like how did they know it was today's 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:12.637 date? Um and I was like no they they've 00:39:12.720 --> 00:39:14.797 print they print out those newspapers 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:21.360 every day. He says every day what a chore. Um [laughter] 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:25.357 and and and then he sort of somewhat somewhat just dismissively said, "Oh, 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:28.637 they probably just read the internet and print it out." 00:39:28.720 --> 00:39:32.237 >> Like, yeah, they read the internet and print it out pretty much. 00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:35.837 >> Well, let's just hope the internet is true. Oh, it's going to be it's going to 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.357 be a bit of a problem, I guess. Do you think it's true? 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:41.117 >> That is most news articles. They'd read 00:39:41.200 --> 00:39:43.437 the internet and they print it out. They 00:39:43.520 --> 00:39:46.477 weren't the reporter wasn't there. 00:39:46.560 --> 00:39:50.797 >> Yeah. I mean, they do question people, look behind things. I mean, there are 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:52.477 things that probably should come out, 00:39:52.560 --> 00:39:54.717 right? Are you looking forward to the 00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:58.877 presidential debate in seven days time? 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.557 >> Um, I mean, that that should be interesting. Sure. 00:40:02.640 --> 00:40:04.717 >> Is it going to be on the X platform? 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:09.037 >> I think it's on something on the conventional platform. 00:40:09.120 --> 00:40:10.397 >> Eventually, it will be. Yeah. 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.837 >> Um, so I would be happy to have one on 00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:18.797 the X platform. I think it would be um quite compelling to do so. 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:22.637 >> U but yeah should be interesting. 00:40:22.720 --> 00:40:25.917 >> All right. So the message on the screen is our time is over. Uh we were going to 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:30.157 try and take questions from the audience. I think they like >> time up. 00:40:30.240 --> 00:40:31.997 >> Should we try and take a question from the audience? 00:40:32.080 --> 00:40:35.677 >> Sure. >> Okay. They're going to hate us. 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.757 >> First person to raise their hand. 00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.317 >> Are you a journalist? I'd rather have 00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:45.117 I'd rather I'd rather have an audience audience member. audience member 00:40:45.200 --> 00:40:50.200 >> rather than >> shout it out. 00:40:51.520 --> 00:40:55.400 >> Hi. >> Hi. 00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:00.920 >> I would like to know what you're going to do with all your money. 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:10.957 >> Um, what will I do with all my money? Is that the question? And will AI keep me 00:41:11.040 --> 00:41:13.277 alive? >> Will AI keep you alive? And what do you 00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:15.437 do with your money? 00:41:15.520 --> 00:41:22.120 >> Well, um, my >> quite a personal question. 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:25.677 >> Well, I I have a big I have a a big 00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:31.160 money bin and I swim I do swimming in it. 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:37.517 So, got you've got to get exercise somehow. 00:41:37.600 --> 00:41:41.597 Um, and um, 00:41:41.680 --> 00:41:46.477 so um, well, I don't know if I suppose if 00:41:46.560 --> 00:41:47.917 the AI likes me though, it'll keep me 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:51.277 alive. Um, hopefully not in some sort of 00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:55.277 experimental, you know, cage. Um, 00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:59.277 >> are you investing in like longevity? A lot of people on the West Coast want 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.557 like long. They want to live forever, don't they? 00:42:02.640 --> 00:42:05.517 >> Forever is a long time. I'm I'm not I 00:42:05.600 --> 00:42:08.157 don't have any longevity investments. Um 00:42:08.240 --> 00:42:13.917 I I think it is important that we we die at least at some point. Um or 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:17.197 >> up to a point. >> Well, you know, arguably say like we 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.397 could live live some amount longer and 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:24.637 increase the length of time that we're sort of mentally and physically healthy. 00:42:24.720 --> 00:42:30.077 Um but if we live for too long, I think it does oify society. Um there's no 00:42:30.160 --> 00:42:31.597 there's no changing of the leadership 00:42:31.680 --> 00:42:35.117 because leadership never dies. Um, and 00:42:35.200 --> 00:42:39.117 uh, I mean for a lot of people they they they just don't change their mind. They 00:42:39.200 --> 00:42:43.197 just die. So then you that inhibits the the new ideas. 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.237 >> That's true. >> I think we see that currently. 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:50.717 >> Yeah. So I mean, think of some of the worst 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.037 individuals in the world. How long do you want them to live? 00:42:53.120 --> 00:42:55.517 >> Okay, we're going to do one more question because they're going to kill 00:42:55.600 --> 00:43:00.040 me if I ask. Here we are.