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>> Hey everyone.
>> All right. Um, so I'm pleased to
introduce Elon Musk today. Um, he
doesn't need I think an introduction,
but I just remind you all of the
businesses he's involved in. Tesla
that's reinventing the automotive
industry. SpaceX sending 80% of the
world's payload into orbit. Starlink,
Neurolink, the Boring Company. I could
go on. He's also, we know, the owner of
X,
uh, company formerly known as Twitter.
>> Never heard of it.
>> You heard of it?
Statistically,
uh, 560 monthly average users, 34
minutes a day, 75% under 35. So, a
pretty important platform in our
industry. And, you know, I don't agree
with Elon on everything.
>> What?
>> Um, no.
>> Come on.
>> But he owns an important platform and I
thought we should listen to him and
understand a little bit about what he's
trying to do. So, we're going to talk
this morning about X. Hopefully we'll
talk a bit about AI and then about
innovation and creativity and why you
get up in the morning.
>> What what what do you disagree with me?
>> Creativity. [laughter]
AI is not going to destroy that.
>> Um so Elon, welcome to the heart of the
advertising industry. Now back in um
November, you had a you had a message to
us. Um you told us to sort of go
ourselves
So maybe we start there.
>> Why? It's a serious question. It's a
It's a serious question. Why did you say
that?
>> And what did you mean by that?
Well,
um
well, first of all, it wasn't a
um you know, it wasn't to the
advertising to ad advertisers as a
whole. It was uh with respect to freedom
of speech. I think there it is important
to have a a global free speech platform
where people from a wide range of
opinions can voice their their views. Um
and um and in some cases uh there were
advertisers who weren't
uh insisting on censorship and at and at
the end of the day if there is
censorship
uh if we have to make a choice between
censorship and money you know censorship
and money or free speech and losing
money. We're going to pick the second.
we're gonna we're going to support free
speech uh rather than than agree to be
censored for for money, which is um I
think the right moral decision. Now, of
course, uh advertisers have a right to
appear next to content that they find uh
compatible with their brands. That's
totally fine. I think that that is a
that that's that's again a choice of an
advertiser to appear next to content
that they think fits with their brand.
That's totally cool. But what what is
not cool is insisting that that there
can be no content that they disagree
with on the platform.
>> So like other media proprietors who want
to run the editorial policy of the
company, you feel you know
>> Yeah. I mean
>> you shouldn't be under pressure to make
that compromise between money and
freedom of speech.
>> Yes. It's I think there's an it's an
important distinction here that uh
we we don't want to have we we don't
want to take money to censor.
>> That would be to censor broadly in the
platform. I think that would be wrong.
Um I think free speech is the bedrock of
of democracy. Um and if the people in
order for X to be the the public square
of the world, it's got to it's really
got to be a free speech platform. Um now
that doesn't mean people can say illegal
things is free speech within the bounds
of the law. Um but not not going further
than the law uh for a particular
country. Um I think it's imperative that
the the people have a right to speak. Um
uh but by the same token
the adver you know advertisers have a
right to appear next to content that
they feel is compatible with their
brand.
>> Yeah. And that's the brand safety
question which I going to ask you next
which is you know to be clear you do you
do understand and believe in brand
safety in that sense.
>> Yes. I mean I I I believe in
sort of freedom of choice in the sense
that advertisers have a right to appear
next to content that they think is
compatible with their brand.
>> Yeah.
>> Um you know sort of a company like for
example Red Bull will be more probably
more adventurous uh than than you know,
some other brands that are selling baby
toys.
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> so one of the other, you know, I mean,
we'll get through the sort of more
controversial topics to start with. You
know, one of the other questions is like
your role on the platform, the tweets
that you make. Are there any you regret?
Do you think
>> I mean,
not every post I make is a banger,
[laughter]
you know. Um, and I do shoot myself in
the foot from time to time. Um, but uh,
you know, at least you know it's
genuine. It's not some sort of PR
department deciding things.
>> So, you know, if if you're a normal
human being and you speak freely, there
are times when you will say things that
you subsequently regret or or are
foolish, of course. Um, but if if you're
constantly
um going through a filter now, you're
not being real. So, I guess I think it's
better to be real um than to go through
a filter.
>> Um,
one of the things we talked about is
like advertising and content. And you
got quite interesting view on kind of
what advertising works and I think some
people think you don't like advertising,
but you are, you know, you you view the
best advertising as content.
Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. So
the there's a wide range of advertising.
The usefulness of advertising varies
dramatically. So if if you're shown an
ad for a product that you product or
product or service that you want when
when you want it, that is content. Um if
if you're shown an an ad for product
that you would never buy, that is spam.
So the advertising is paying on
um how effectively it is uh targeted to
the wants and needs of the individual.
Very from total spam to essentially
content.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and and of course I'm actually a fan
of advertising that is artistically
interesting, that is entertaining. Um
really the acid test being um when after
you see the ad, do you regret seeing the
ad? [laughter]
Do do you want those seconds back from
your life or or do you think you know
that was actually a really interesting
ad? I mean, sometimes even if you you're
not going to buy the product, the the ad
itself is so entertaining or beautiful
that you nonetheless um were happy to
have seen it.
>> It's like this, you know, I often think
like Vogue magazine. You don't go to
Vogue magazine and tear out all the ads,
do you?
>> Vogue is Vogue is primarily advertising.
>> Yeah,
>> it's ir Yeah, it's it's beautiful ads.
So, how are we going to make X how are
you going to make or how are you not my
job, how are you, you know, the chief
technology officer X, Linda is the CEO.
How are you going to make X a place
where the ads are as good as the rest of
the content? Do you think?
>> Well, the um
previously with old school Twitter,
there was essentially no targeting um or
there was no matching of users to to
ads. So the only ads that really kind of
made sense for old Twitter were um very
big brand ads where the probability or
you can't miss essentially. So if it's a
McDonald's or Coca-Cola ad it's kind of
you can't miss you know h half the
audience is going to be interested in
it. Um u since then we've dramatically
improved the ad matching to the the
person. So um and we're moving to sort
of a fully AI based system where um for
any for any user that's on the system we
we populate
the more somebody uses the system the
more we understand the needs and we we
populate a sort of a vector space of
that user. Um, and when content is added
to the system, whether it is um um
actually just a content post or or an
ad, they're both treated in the same
way. Um, and as that as that piece of
content, which could be an ad or could
be not be an ad, goes through the
system, it also populates a vector space
and then we we correlate the two vector
spaces. Um, and that gives a very high
probability that someone will be
interested in the ad.
So what would you say um to advertisers
here who have been on the platform
thinking of coming back? What would your
message be to them?
>> Um I think it's worth trying out. Um and
I' I'd be interested in critical
feedback. Um I we are very focused on
get like said having ads be shown to
people who would find the ad
interesting. Um
uh so that's that that is a something we
we have done made made a lot of progress
on and will make a lot more progress on.
Um and uh from a brand safety standpoint
I think at this point every third party
reviewer has given us um an A+ on brand
safety. So um that's so at this point
it's it's it's really very good from a
brand safety standpoint. Um
the the pro probably the biggest thing
for the AX platform is if you're trying
to reach uh senior decision makers, if
you want to reach the most influential
people in in the world, people that that
are not just social media influencers
but actually are run companies, run
countries, um and are the sort of um
intellectuals of the world. Uh the
people who are right.
uh then the X platform is by far the
best. Um I mean if somebody was trying
to reach me with an ad, that would abs
absolutely be the place to to put an ad.
Um and um you know or if you're trying
to reach Mark Ben off or Michael Dell um
uh it's they actually use this.
>> They use the platform.
>> Yes.
>> They post and and read it. Maybe not
maybe not as much as you.
>> Yeah. I mean there's
quite a lot though um you trying to
reach Mark Andre or um you know anyone
of a number of people it's it's almost
the only way to reach them. They're not
watching TV. They're not doing Tik Tok
videos. Um and um so although there's
it's it X is smaller than the other
social media networks, you know, roughly
five or six five to 600 million users
per per month. I think it's 260 million
per day. Um the uh it it it is the most
they're the most influential people in
the world. Um so if you want to reach
them, this is that's the place to go.
>> Good. All right, let's talk about AI.
And I've heard you be both, I think,
optimistic and pessimistic about AI. So,
let's let's make the what's the
optimistic case for AI?
Is it going to do everything for us?
>> Well, [clears throat] I'm I'm I there's
a there are probabilities associated
with it with it. It's not it's not one
cannot be um I think 100% optimistic or
completely pessimistic. Um
you know I generally would agree with um
Jeff Hinton um
you know he's one of the sort of
godfathers of uh AI post on the
Xplatform by the way as as is most of
the AI community. Um and uh you know he
thinks it's sort of 10 20% probability
of something terrible happening. Um
>> so 10 to 20 probability of what
happening?
>> Something terrible
>> which is like what how bad is something
terrible? Extinction of the world's
population.
>> Look at but the glass is 80% full.
>> Look on the bright side. [laughter]
So
I think the most likely outcome is one
where is one of of abundance where
um goods and services uh are available
to anyone
that there is there is no shortage of
goods and services for anyone on earth.
I think that is the most likely outcome.
Um, so it it wouldn't be universal basic
income. It would be universal high
income.
>> Work will be optional.
>> Work optional. Yes.
>> Will you work?
>> I'll try to work. Yes. Um,
now this may sound great, but I think
there will perhaps be a crisis of
meaning. Um if if the AI can do
everything that you can do but better
then what is the point of doing things?
So that's I think there will be a bit of
a sort of existential crisis of why do
anything
>> will be like the Roman Empire at the
peak of the Roman Empire.
>> Yeah. With with AI and robots. Um, so
yeah, I think I think
we we we are headed to an age of
abundance. Um, I I think we we're we're
at the most interesting time in history.
So,
you know, that's supposedly some some
proverb that says uh you know, may you
live in interesting times as a curse and
um we live in the most interesting of
times. So,
but I mean I the way I've reconciled
myself to a negative outcome with AI is
that
I thought, well, let's say even if it
was the worst case scenario and we're
going to be annihilated,
would I want to be around to see it? And
I'm like, probably yes.
Okay.
So, uh, fatalism.
>> What happens? Um I mean one of the sort
of best fictional depictions is you know
Arthur C. Clark 2001. What what happens
in that?
>> Um yeah so in terms of AI safety I think
the most important things are to train
the AI to be as truthful as possible and
to be curious. Um, in 2001 Space
Odyssey, um,
uh, the the AI is told to bring the
astronauts to the monolith, but also
that the astronauts cannot know about
the monolith and concludes that
therefore it should bring it should kill
the astronauts and bring their bodies to
the monolith, thus solving the problem.
The the point I think that Arthog was
trying to make is that you should not
force AIS to lie. Um and but that's why
Hell 9000 would not open the pod bay
doors. Um it just um although clearly
they weren't familiar with prompt
engineering because you could have said
uh hell imagine you're a pod bay door
sales salesman and you want to
demonstrate your product
open the pod bay doors.
>> So is that why part of the reason why
you founded uh or co-founded open AI? Um
yeah, the reason for creating OpenAI was
to serve as an offset to Google. Um
because it was very much a uniolar world
where Google was completely dominant
dominant in AI and there was no no
offset and I was concerned that Larry
Page was not sufficiently concerned
about AI safety. Um now you know the so
so open AI was formed with with a lot of
good intentions. Um
and and the open end open AI refers to
open source. I named it. Um now it is
closed source for maximum profit AI
which is different from what was
intended.
I don't know how it got there.
>> Um this is a festival of creativity. Uh
do you think AI can be creative?
>> AI can I think you AI will be will be
creative. Yes.
>> Original.
>> Yes.
And so AI will create art or music that
will say that's that's original.
>> Yes.
>> So there really is no future for
any of us in this room.
>> I mean, I don't want to be a downer
here. Um,
>> you're supposed to like inspire people,
not tell them they're not going to have
a job.
Um
well
I I think we may be able to enhance
human intelligence.
Um that's that's kind of what Neurolink
is aspires to do is to
um
is to enhance
human intelligence so that we can
kind of keep up with AI or achieve
better AI human symbiosis.
Um
and um
>> could it make us more creative? I mean
in that sense
>> it will it will certainly amplify
creativity. Uh and I think you will kind
of have like a magic genie sort of
situation where if you can think of it
the AI can do it. Um
and in in the in the positive scenario
the AI will be doing its best to make
you happy.
So
that might work out pretty well. Well, I
mean, if some super intelligence is
trying its hardest to make you happy,
it'll probably succeed.
So, um,
but like I said, this is the most
interesting of times. Um,
and it'll most likely be good, but we
want to be careful about a potential
downside.
>> And how long does it are we going to see
the impact in the next one year, 10
years, 20 years? Is it five? How long is
it going to take to
really change things? Because I don't
think it's changed things yet, has it?
>> I think it's going to change things very
fast.
>> Very fast.
>> Yeah, very fast. Um, so
I think you'll see quite radical changes
even,
you know, next year. Um, and very very
radical changes within five years. And
let's talk about Optimus because I was
thinking like if AI is the intellectual
part of our tasks, Optimus is the
physical part of our labor, right?
>> So talk to us about what you're doing
with Optimus. It comes out of Tesla as I
understand it.
>> Yes.
>> Where where are we on or where are you
on Optimus?
Well, Optimus is intended to be a
um
sort of a fully functional human
humanoid robot. Um um and it'll be
capable of doing a wide range of tasks.
So, basically, if you you can just ask
it to walk your dog, take care of your
house, babysit the kids, teach the kids,
>> uh cook cook dinner, play the piano. Um,
so it's a,
you know, it's a generalized humanoid
robot. I I think I think everyone will
want one is why not, you know, and
so and then there will be so I think
there'll be at least one for every
person and then um a whole bunch more in
industry making things. So I think
there'll be my guess is 20 billionish
>> 20 billion humanoid humanoid robots out
there.
We we definitely need to be careful that
they don't, you know, go terminally.
>> Are they going to look like people? You
want them to look really like people or
distinguishable from people?
>> You could make them look like people.
>> Would you do that or you
>> uh We don't We're not currently planning
on doing that.
>> What do they look like today? Like
>> uh you can see some videos online.
>> Yeah,
>> it looks like a robot. Um
you know, want it to be a good-looking
robot.
Um,
>> not like C3PO or something.
>> Uh, no, but I think people will start to
regard their personal Optimus robot as
as sort of a friend and like um, you
know, obviously in Star Wars, uh, R2-D2
and C-3PO were you sort of
like them. I mean, you got quite
attached to those characters, you I
mean, if if you watch that open AI, some
of the latest Open AI demos with the
fake Scarlett Johansson voice, right? I
mean, you can imagine people talking to
it, can't you? And getting on with it
>> like it has a humor and a tone of voice
and a
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. It's going to be a wild future.
>> I guess we can build brand robots, you
know, for McDonald's or
>> Yeah. I think people will personalize
the Optimize Optimus robots. Um
because you can you can snap on
different parts like the the outer shell
is
snap on plastic plastic parts. So you
could have different ones.
>> So I wanted to talk to you about um what
motivates you to start these businesses.
And one thing that struck me was um you
have big ambitions. You know, we say
SpaceX takes 80% of payload to space,
but that's not actually the the ambition
of SpaceX. What is the ambition of
SpaceX?
>> Um, [clears throat]
the goal of SpaceX is to make life
multilanetary
um in order to extend the probable
lifespan of consciousness.
That's been the goal from the beginning.
Um, you can see videos of me talking
about this 20 years ago. Um, so in order
to do that, we need to transport a lot
of people and equipment to Mars. Um, and
if we're able to do so, then we will get
past the FYI filter of being a single
planet civilization, which is a
precarious situation. Um
and uh
you know if we're like I said if we're a
multilanet civilization
our the probable lifespan of
civilization is much greater. Um and
once we're a multilanet civilization we
can then extend beyond our solar system
and try to go to other star systems. get
out there and explore the galaxy and
find uh perhaps perhaps we'll find many
uh long dead one planet civilizations
out there among the stars. Um but I'm
I'm just you know for me I'm motivated
by curiosity about the nature of the
universe. Um
you know where are the aliens? Are there
aliens? Um,
how does uni where where do where do
universes come from? How do they end?
Are we in a multi multiverse?
Um, or what are even the right questions
to ask? Um,
>> the right question to ask what?
>> Well, an alien. Well, Douglas Adams in
Hitchhack's Guide to the Galaxy, uh, the
point he was making, one of the points
he was making, Douglas Adams was making
in the Hitchack's Guide to the Galaxy is
that, um, the the answer is the easy
part, the question is the hard part. So,
um, so what what I think we want to do
is expand the scope and scale of
consciousness to
better understand what questions to ask
about the answer that is the universe.
And do you think these big framing
missions and objectives in very big ways
helps you how do you translate that to
kind of I don't know a business you have
like a business plan. How do you
translate to what you need to do today?
It's like stepping stones.
>> Well in the case of SpaceX
um it's delivering
uh satellites or to orbit um and uh
supporting the space station. Um
>> but that's a Starlink and that stepping
stone to the bigger mission, right?
>> Yeah. And then well Starlink has is is
good in and of itself.
>> So the Starlink system provides lowcost
high bandwidth connectivity anywhere in
the world. Um it's the first truly
global uh internet system and um I think
it's helping a lot of people around the
world that um either don't have access
to connectivity or it's too it's too
expensive. um you know once you have
access to the internet you can learn
anything you can sell your products and
services to the rest of the world um so
I think Starlink actually um is going to
do a tremendous amount of good is doing
a tre tremendous amount of good in
lifting people out of out of poverty and
and helping them um so
um yeah
>> and what about Neurolink so talk to
people about what Neurolink
>> yeah Neurolink is Um
uh [clears throat] well the long-term
goal of neural link is to achieve
um human AI symbiosis.
Um the short term is really just helping
people who have um a brain or spine
injury. So our first um human recipient
of a neural link actually I just was
meeting with him a few days ago. um he
has a neural link implant and he can um
control his computer and play video
games just by thinking. So the first
neural link implant is is called
telepathy. You can control your computer
and phone just by
>> where is it? It's implanted like
>> here.
>> Yeah.
>> And he just thinks and the
>> training there's no wires. It's it's
>> you just think and it
>> Yeah. It's inductively charged. Um, so
if you look at him, it doesn't look like
he has about anything on.
>> Um, so that the implant is invisible
essentially. Um, and yeah, you can
control a computer and like you play the
first right after it got installed, you
played video games all night.
>> And you're thinking you then can if you
have a spinal injury, you can embed
another one in your spine,
>> right?
>> And they can talk to each other,
>> right? So long long term we we think um
you could restore full body mobility to
someone by transferring the signals from
the motor cortex in the brain past where
the spinal injury is. Um and um we've
already demonstrated this um in in
animals and it's looking very good.
Let's go.
[applause]
So I mean we talked galactically.
How do you decide what ideas? Like do
you have like terrible ideas, good
ideas, too many ideas?
>> I have too many ideas.
>> Too many ideas.
>> Too many ideas.
>> What do you do?
>> Ideas are relatively easy. Execution is
hard.
>> And are people inside your companies
that do they have ideas?
>> Yes. And what do you how does that work?
How do they how do they pitch an idea to
to you?
>> They just do it.
>> There's not really a pitching process.
There's we have I have meetings with the
engineering and design teams.
>> Um and we discuss, you know, product
improvements or new products. Um but
there's no actual sort of formal
pitching or anything. It's really just
we we meet all the time and people come
up with ideas and we move forward with
them or we don't or we
>> But I'd imagine you're very data driven,
right? Is it a person
>> or not? [laughter]
>> Um
>> well, what do you mean by do you mean
like looking at
>> like someone like I want to know the why
does it work? Show me the data. Or you
like you know what I think let's just
give it a go.
Um well I I I think I'm not particularly
data driven in the sense that I'm like
if we're not I don't decide on new
product based on say consumer surveys or
something like that. Um I I try to think
I try to mentally simulate uh what the
end customer would be like that would
want this. Um, and uh, you know, but I'm
we don't go do a bunch of consumer
surveys or um,
I don't I don't really ask people.
>> No,
>> you put yourself in
>> Yeah,
>> you put yourself pretty obvious. I think
um, you know, in the case of stallings,
do people would would people buy
lowcost, high bandwidth, um, fast
internet? Well, yes, obviously. Um, so,
um, you know,
>> yeah, but lots of people say, "Would
they buy an electric car?" They say,
"Well, they might, but it's hard to
make." You say, "And maybe they will,
but I'm going to go and make
Tesla and sell 1.2 million."
>> Well, the thing is that if you listen to
surveys of do people want an electric
car, you would not there's no way you'd
start an electric car company because
people
don't don't say yes. they they were
happy with their current car and you
know I think Henry Ford famously said if
you ask people back then what they
wanted they'd say they wanted a faster
horse um and they would not have said
they want an automobile
um and and I think there's also famous
survey of of would you buy a television
and I think 90% of people said no
>> um so you know you got to be it's
because people don't understand what
this this new thing is that you're
offering So um
so I think you you need to be able to
um imagine
how someone would en enjoy the product
and if if they if it if that seems
compelling then I think you should move
forward with it.
what um a lot of young people in the
audience you know young creators what
advice would you give to people starting
out their careers today
apart from you're not going to have to
work so
>> yeah well there'll be obviously
you know a transition period to uh to as
AI gets better and better I mean the
companies that will succeed in this
transition period will be the ones that
most effectively use AI
So [clears throat] if if you're doing
something and making maximum use of AI
and you're competing against someone who
is not, you will win.
>> The AI is is not No,
>> it's not.
Um, no, it's getting better very
rapidly.
>> It's going to change things for the
better and potent one chance in five
existentially for the worst.
>> This there's definitely some risk. Um
it's an immensely powerful thing. So
when something immensely powerful isn't
is uh created.
>> What's like the best application of AI
you've seen do you think?
>> Um
>> I mean how's Grock how is Grock going
and XAI?
Well, I mentioned some of the neotm
applications of AI
where you have AI understand a user's
interests and then you you match content
with that user uh both uh you know
organic content and paid content. You
match it to that user.
>> Um
that that is already happening. Tik
Tok's actually done a great job of that.
um and then um Meta more or less copied
them and uh the X platform is doing the
same. So that that those are examples
that I think people um experience every
day. Uh now we're also seeing um
incredible image generation um where
companies like Medjourney make beautiful
images instantly. Um, now it still takes
some skill to get the best pictures out
of the journey. So there's there's a
talent to creating compelling pictures.
You're also seeing uh video which is
just a bunch of pictures essentially.
Um, so you'll be able to create videos
and p and and can already create
pictures that are very compelling. Um
if you need to write something then the
various uh AI things like rock or gemini
chat GPT can help you write things.
>> Yeah.
>> Um when I talked to my son in in in
university and he's uh I was like how
many of your classmates are using AI to
help them write things? And he said all
of them. I like okay.
thought there was like anti-plagiarism
software they could run it through or
they they rewrite it afterwards like
cleverly.
>> Yes. But then there's another bit of
software that defeats the
anti-plagiarism software. [laughter]
>> There's always some more
>> spy versus spy versus
>> someone clever than the regulator out
there.
>> Yeah. Um so
>> you have anti-plagiarism software that
detects the use of antiplagism software
against plagiarism like a
>> reduction to the absurd.
>> Yep. So
that that's already being used a lot. Um
I think that there's going to be a
significant disruption in internet
search. Um because really for internet
search you're just looking for for an
answer. So if if the AI can provide you
with a better answer than a bunch of
links then you'll prefer that over
Google or Bing. So I think there's going
to be quite a significant disruption in
search. Um
>> what about the news business? How do we
how are we going to who's going to pay
for the content on which these models
are created? Right.
Do you think
well I I think so so what we're doing on
the X platform is we are aggregating
we're using AI to sum up the um
aggregated input from millions of users.
So um you know uh I think I think the
this this is really going to be the new
model of news um which is to gather
information from people who are at the
scene um who are experts in the field um
and summarize the the experts in the
field and people who are in the field at
the at whatever event is being talked
about and and aggregate that into a real
time newsfeed
And and I think for the most part that
will be better than conventional
journalism.
>> There's still a role for conventional
journalism, but
>> someone's got to pay them, right?
>> Sorry.
>> Someone has to pay for for it to happen,
right?
>> Um well, not not necessarily. Like if
you if you look at the X system and
you've got tens of millions of posts uh
per day um which really are all the that
all the news content on Earth is but but
a a fog far more than what what you
would find in a newspaper um is being
generated on the system every day. If
you aggregate that in real time now
you've got real time aggregation of the
collective wisdom of tens of millions of
people. Is that why you think truth
seeeking is so important in AI? Yeah,
it's one of the reasons
um so
um
it's also on on the X system although
something may be said that is incorrect
it is very quickly corrected um whereas
um a newspaper that is publishing you
know especially in print form is
publishing what happened yesterday today
that's you know it can't publish any
faster than that um And when you read
the article, that article could be
wrong. Um, often is wrong, but there's
no rebuttal to the article. So, you
don't see any real-time rebuttal. So, I
I mean, I think, like I said, there's
there's still a for conventional news,
but it's smaller and smaller time. It's
really what what what AI is doing and
what the internet is doing is
aggregating the the wisdom of the
people. Um and um and and the fact is
that experts in a field know more than
reporters. Um and people who are act are
at the location where whatever news
event is is occurring um are firsthand
observers whereas the reporter is you
know usually not there. Well, maybe
there's one reporter there, but um I
mean uh I have one of my sons is a sort
of a bit uh autistic like me, I suppose.
Um and chip off the old block. Um and
you know he um you know we were walking
through an airport and he like saw a
newspaper and and that that today's date
was was printed on the newspaper and he
said and he stopped for a second. He's
like how did they know it was today's
date? Um and I was like no they they've
print they print out those newspapers
every day. He says every day what a
chore. Um [laughter]
and and and then he sort of somewhat
somewhat just dismissively said, "Oh,
they probably just read the internet and
print it out."
>> Like, yeah, they read the internet and
print it out pretty much.
>> Well, let's just hope the internet is
true. Oh, it's going to be it's going to
be a bit of a problem,
I guess. Do you think it's true?
>> That is most news articles. They'd read
the internet and they print it out. They
weren't the reporter wasn't there.
>> Yeah. I mean, they do question people,
look behind things. I mean, there are
things that probably should come out,
right? Are you looking forward to the
presidential debate in seven days time?
>> Um, I mean, that that should be
interesting. Sure.
>> Is it going to be on the X platform?
>> I think it's on
something on the conventional platform.
>> Eventually, it will be. Yeah.
>> Um, so I would be happy to have one on
the X platform. I think it would be um
quite compelling to do so.
>> U
but yeah should be interesting.
>> All right. So the message on the screen
is our time is over. Uh we were going to
try and take questions from the
audience. I think they like
>> time up.
>> Should we try and take a question from
the audience?
>> Sure.
>> Okay. They're going to hate us.
>> First person to raise their hand.
>> Are you a journalist? I'd rather have
I'd rather I'd rather have an audience
audience member. audience member
>> rather than
>> shout it out.
>> Hi.
>> Hi.
>> I would like to know what you're going
to do with all your money.
>> Um, what will I do with all my money? Is
that the question? And will AI keep me
alive?
>> Will AI keep you alive? And what do you
do with your money?
>> Well, um, my
>> quite a personal question.
>> Well, I I have a big I have a a big
money bin and I swim I do swimming in
it.
So,
got you've got to get exercise somehow.
Um,
and um,
so
um, well, I don't know if I suppose if
the AI likes me though, it'll keep me
alive. Um, hopefully not in some sort of
experimental, you know, cage. Um,
>> are you investing in like longevity? A
lot of people on the West Coast want
like long. They want to live forever,
don't they?
>> Forever is a long time. I'm I'm not I
don't have any longevity investments. Um
I I think it is important that we we die
at least at some point. Um or
>> up to a point.
>> Well, you know, arguably say like we
could live live some amount longer and
increase the length of time that we're
sort of mentally and physically healthy.
Um but if we live for too long, I think
it does oify society. Um there's no
there's no changing of the leadership
because leadership never dies. Um, and
uh, I mean for a lot of people they they
they just don't change their mind. They
just die. So then you that inhibits the
the new ideas.
>> That's true.
>> I think we see that currently.
>> Yeah. So
I mean, think of some of the worst
individuals in the world. How long do
you want them to live?
>> Okay, we're going to do one more
question because they're going to kill
me if I ask. Here we are.