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GOOD. I'M REALLY HAPPY ABOUT
THIS, BUT I THINK OUR INDUSTRY

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UNDERESTIMATED HOW MUCH WE'RE
GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP PEOPLE

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AT THE CENTER OF EVERYTHING,
AND AN ECONOMY THAT IS IN A

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WORLD THAT IS BASED ON PEOPLE.

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>> BUT TO YOUR POINT,
WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.

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I MEAN, WHEN YOU INTRODUCE, I THINK IT WAS
5.2, YOU SAID IT OUTPERFORMS PROFESSIONALS

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ACROSS 44 OCCUPATIONS.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THERE MAY BE AN

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AI BACKLASH WHEN PEOPLE
HEAR THINGS LIKE THAT.

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>> TOTALLY. WHAT I WISH WE HAD SAID THEN
IS THAT IT OUTPERFORMS PROFESSIONALS AT

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SMALL TASKS IN 44 OCCUPATIONS,
WHICH IS, I THINK, A MORE

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ACCURATE THING.
AND IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THESE

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THAT ARE NOW SEEING, YOU KNOW,
INCREDIBLE PRODUCTIVITY, GROWTH,

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WAGE GROWTH, ALL OF THE BENEFITS
FROM THIS. BUT I THINK

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PEOPLE ARE RIGHT TO BE ANXIOUS.

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AND I UNDERSTAND IT. YOU KNOW,
THIS IS LIKE A THIS IS NOT EVEN

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A TECHNOLOGICAL SHIFT THAT HAPPENS EVERY
GENERATION. THIS IS ONE OF THE BIG ONES.

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>> AND IF NOT ONE, YEAH, MAYBE.

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>> ONE OF THE BIGGEST. YEAH.
AND SO IT WOULD BE IMPRUDENT

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NOT TO HAVE SOME REAL CAUTION AROUND THAT.

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>> WELL, ON THAT, YOU KNOW,
ON THE AI BACKLASH, AND I HAVE

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BEEN SPEAKING TO A NUMBER
OF THE LEADERS IN THE INDUSTRY WHO

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HAVE BEEN SAYING MAYBE WE HAVEN'T DONE
ENOUGH TO ARTICULATE THE BENEFITS, WHICH

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MAY BE DIFFICULT TO DO,
BUT THERE'S NOT JUST OPPOSITION TO

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DATA CENTERS LIKE THIS.
THERE IS A MORE SIGNIFICANT, PERHAPS,

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OPPOSITION TO WHAT IT'S GOING
TO DO TO SOCIETY. HOW DO YOU

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FEEL AS AS THE LEADER,
ONE OF CERTAINLY THE KEY LEADERS IN

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THIS IN TERMS OF YOUR ABILITY

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TO COMBAT THAT BACKLASH?
>> YEAH. SO IT'S A HUGE

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CHALLENGE. AND AGAIN, AS I SAID,
I THINK THIS IS LIKE THERE'S

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SOMETHING GOOD ABOUT THIS.
LIKE SOCIETY SHOULD HAVE ANTIBODIES

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AGAINST TWO RAPID OF CHANGE
AND THERE SHOULD LIKE, PART OF THE

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REASON THAT WE BELIEVE IN THIS STRATEGY
OF ITERATIVE DEPLOYMENT IS WE WANT SOCIETY

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TO SEE THE TECHNOLOGY.
WE WANT SOCIETY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND

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WHAT'S HAPPENING AND HAVE
A CHANCE TO DEBATE, REACT, SORT

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OF SAY, HEY, THIS DOESN'T MAKE
SENSE OR THIS ISN'T GOING TO

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WORK FOR ME. LIKE, THIS HAS
GOT TO BE I HAVE NO INTEREST IN

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LIKE BUILDING A, YOU KNOW, SUPER SMART
AI THAT ACCOMPLISHES SOME NON-HUMAN

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GOALS. LIKE THIS HAS GOT TO BE
ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS WORKING

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FOR PEOPLE AND THAT PEOPLE ARE
AT THE CENTER OF IT. AND HUMAN

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VALUES ARE WHAT WHAT WE DRIVE FORWARD.
SO PEOPLE SHOULD REACT.

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PEOPLE SHOULD SAY, HEY,
THIS IS WHAT I WANT AND NOT THIS. I

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DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT NOT
EXPLAINING THE BENEFITS BECAUSE,

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YOU KNOW, WE SAY AI IS GOING
TO CURE A BUNCH OF DISEASES. AND

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PEOPLE SAY, OKAY, THAT'S GREAT.

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BUT LIKE, THAT'S NOT REALLY
MY QUESTION. NO, MY QUESTION IS

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WHAT IS MY ROLE IN THE FUTURE?

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WHAT IS MY ECONOMIC FUTURE?
WHAT IS MY AGENCY LIKE? HOW DO

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I KNOW THAT MY, MY KIDS, MY

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FAMILY WILL STILL BE ABLE TO

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HAVE A FULFILLING, YOU KNOW,

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CREATIVE EXPRESSION, STRUGGLE
TO DRIVE THE WORLD FORWARD, TO

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GROW, TO KIND OF DO THIS THING
TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT HAS

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WORKED FOR A LONG TIME.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN AI SAY,

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WELL, YEAH, SURE, THERE'S GOING
TO BE NO JOBS OR 50% OF JOBS

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ARE GOING TO GO AWAY, OR 90%
OF JOBS ARE GOING TO GO AWAY. AND

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AI IS KIND OF GOING TO BE
SMARTER THAN YOU AT EVERYTHING.

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AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GIVE YOU
SOME BASIC INCOME, BUT THERE'S

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LIKE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY
GOING TO HAVE A ROLE.

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>> IT DOESN'T. >> THAT THAT'S HORRIBLE.
I MEAN, THAT IS A HORRIBLE. AND BY THE

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WAY, YOU KNOW, THIS AI COMPANY,
MAYBE WE'RE GOING TO DESTROY

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ALL THE JOBS, BUT WE'RE
THE MOST VALUABLE COMPANY IN THE

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WORLD. PEOPLE JUST LOOK
AT YOU AND YOU'RE LIKE.

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>> YEAH. >> SO I THINK IT'S A TERRIBLE
MESSAGE. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S

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THAT WE HAVEN'T ARTICULATED
THE UPSIDES. I THINK PEOPLE

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ACTUALLY BELIEVE US. LIKE,
YOU KNOW WHAT? GO CURE CANCER. THAT

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SOUNDS GREAT. I THINK WE HAVE
FAILED TO ARTICULATE AS AN

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INDUSTRY HOW PEOPLE STAY
IN CONTROL OF DETERMINING THE

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FUTURE AT EVERY STEP AND HAVE
A REALLY MEANINGFUL LIFE IN ALL

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THE WAYS WE CARE ABOUT. >> ANOTHER PART
OF IT MAY BE THE PACE OF CHANGE ITSELF. I

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MEAN, YOU'RE RELEASING A MAJOR MODEL.
WHAT IS IT EVERY SIX

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WEEKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
IT'S VERY HARD. THINGS SEEM TO

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BE CHANGING SO QUICKLY. YOU KNOW.

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>> I MAYBE MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT.

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I DON'T THINK THAT'S I THINK
AT THIS POINT, PEOPLE BELIEVE US

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THAT THE MODELS ARE GETTING SMARTER. AND,
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THE FIRST

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IPHONES CAME OUT THAT EVERY
IPHONE RELEASED WAS A HUGE DEAL,

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AND PEOPLE LINED UP OVERNIGHT
AND GOT VERY EXCITED. AND NOW I

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COULDN'T EVEN TELL YOU
THE NUMBER OF THE LATEST IPHONE.

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IT'S GREAT. IT'S AMAZING.
IT'S MY FAVORITE PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY,

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BUT I EXPECT IT TO CONTINUE
TO GET BETTER. AND I KNOW THEY

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MAKE A NEW ONE EVERY YEAR.
I, I KIND OF THINK THE SAME THING

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FOR THIS TECHNOLOGY, WHICH
IS PEOPLE EXPECT THE MODELS TO

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KEEP GETTING BETTER.
WHAT THEY REALLY WANT TO KNOW IS LIKE,

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WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH SOCIETY.

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>> YEAH. AND NONE OF US, I MEAN,

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YOU, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE THE

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ANSWER. YOU CAN, YOU CAN GUESS.

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>> OF COURSE, I DON'T HAVE
THE ANSWER ENTIRELY. BUT WHAT I CAN

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SAY IS OUR WHOLE EFFORT, OUR

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WHOLE COMPANY, IS ABOUT GIVING

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THIS NEW KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE
AT MASSIVE SCALE TO PEOPLE AND

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TRUSTING THAT THE
DEMOCRATIZATION OF POWER, OF

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WEALTH, OF OPPORTUNITY,
OF AGENCY WILL CONTINUE TO DO THIS

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INCREDIBLE STORY
OF CIVILIZATION GOING FORWARD.

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>> SORRY. NO PROBLEM.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH

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TIME YOU HAVE LEFT WITH US,
BUT WE'RE IN THIS RACE WITH CHINA.

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AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DESCRIBED.
AND THAT IS ONE REASON WHY WE'RE JUST FULL

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SPEED AHEAD. DON'T STOP.
BUILD AS MANY DATA CENTERS AS YOU CAN.

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MOVE AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN.
>> I THINK IN SOME WAYS THAT'S

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OKAY. AND IN SOME WAYS THAT'S
REALLY DANGEROUS. LIKE I THINK

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IT'S FINE TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE
GOING TO WIN THIS. WE'RE GOING

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TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE
ECONOMIC BENEFIT. THERE WILL BE

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SOME GLOBAL SCALE SAFETY ISSUES.

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AND WE HAVE HAD TIME IN THE
PAST TIMES IN THE PAST, LIKE

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WITH THE IAEA, FOR ATOMIC
ENERGY AND WEAPONS, WHERE THE

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WORLD COMES TOGETHER AND SAYS,
YOU KNOW, NONE OF US SHOULD BE

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TAKING GLOBAL RISK, DIFFERENT
COUNTRIES, DIFFERENT SYSTEMS,

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THEY CAN SORT OF SAY, I'M GOING
TO TREAT ECONOMICS THIS WAY.

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YOU'RE GOING TO TREAT IT THAT WAY.
I'M GOING TO THINK ABOUT

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USING AI IN HEALTH CARE.
THIS WAY. YOU'RE GOING TO THINK

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ABOUT USING IT THAT WAY.
BUT ON THE REALLY BIG THINGS, MAKING

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SURE WE DON'T EVER LOSE CONTROL